Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[SFNative]

Had some dates on Tinder I met a lady here for dinner. Polyuvannya Na Ovets it's like an Asian / steak restaurant. Yup you guessed it 5 star. Had to take an Uber there of course. I liked the lady plus wanted to see a different part of Kiev. I guess it was old Kiev.

I notice a lot of these ladies on Tinder they want to go to Avalon for drinks. I might have to check that place out? Is it good place?

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...Me: Wow. If this is a reflection of who you really are as a person, then I am glad we did not meet...

What a great line! Respect.

...Goldiggers should be treated like mosquitoes, delayed flights, broken computers and all the other myriad hassles a man has to deal with in life. Stay calm, navigate around the obstacle, move on...

Why both of the above reports are in Stupid Shit section? Pure wisdom, no less.

[Kozerog]

Kristina: Well, since I give a piece of myself and this is a problem for you, I don't think that we need to meet at all.

Classic golddigger line. It's always something to make the man feel guilty and cheap:

"I guess you can't afford the better things in life. ".

"So it's too expensive for you? You gave a different impression in your profile. I didn't realize you were poor. ".

"You have to excuse me, but I'm not a low class woman. I expect to be taken to nice places. ".

Lots of men, including me, naturally react to such taunts by wanting to prove we have money. Of course, I have the sense to recognize this reaction in myself and control it by just walking off. Other men swallow the bait and so the woman gets what she wants: an expensive dinner where she gets to treat the man with contempt the whole time. Women like this are often angry at other men for pumping and dumping or similar abuse, so now want revenge to make themselves feel better. Doesn't matter that the man she is revenging herself on is not the same as the one she is angry at.

Also, there are lots of men who actually want abuse like this from women. For example, there are men who feel helpless to control themselves sexually. By taking abuse, the man eventually comes to associate women with pain, and so his sexuality no longer controls him so much. Or something like that.

Goldiggers should be treated like mosquitoes, delayed flights, broken computers and all the other myriad hassles a man has to deal with in life. Stay calm, navigate around the obstacle, move on.

[ShawMan74]

Ok so there is a little anecdote off of tinder that can be used as a shareable moment, or even a teachable one.

So I matched with girl, we sent text, and before long that became chit chat through the day. This led to an agreement to meet over lunch. Here's where it goes to shit. She wants me to take her to this place, basically insists on it - https://g.co/kgs/4Uppdj that's right, the jerk wanted me to take her to a 5 star restaurant on the water for our first meeting! Are you fucking kidding me!? But I'm willing to spot that there may be a culture gap and I don't want to insinuate intent across text so I tactfully reply, well, here's the chatlog:

Me: its a little more than what I wanted for lunch. It is also a little far down the way.
Me: can you meet me a little closer to independence square / maiden maybe?
Kristina: Take taxi.
Kristina: It's problem?
Me: not a problem, just a little uncomfortable to go that far for lunch. Is it a problem for me to pick a restaurant a little closer to independence square area?
Kristina: Well, since I give a piece of myself and this is a problem for you, I don't think that we need to meet at all.
Me: Wow. If this is a reflection of who you really are as a person, then I am glad we did not meet.

Ok totally duplicitous, dodged a bullet there, WHEW! But on a different level of thinking it makes me wonder what kind of a miserable bastard she must be on the inside, to think in that manipulative way. To approach a social site designed to meet new people with the conniving mindset to gain what? A lunch. Really?? She is then the same kind of person who throws her hands up to the sky and says "hasa diga eebowai" (look it up) when she finally has a moment of clarity, and looks around her to find that her life has become nothing but a sad sack of shit. For this kind of toxic person life is not too short, on the contrary, it is almost entirely too long. And I hope she lives forever hahaha.

[Stevie69]

The question is "are you crazy?" Why are you putting up with this shit?

It seems that my GF got some sort of mental issues and cannot stop cursing and shouting at me when she's in bad mood. It not only happens right before her period but also happens a lot at other time of the month. At first I thought she was doing this on purpose to make me buy her something to please her or just to avoid having sex with me, but later found this is not the case. She doesn't only do this to me but also to her sister on telephone conversations. I really think she has got some mental issues. She hasnt even asked me for money for quite a long time.

I hate it when being insulted or shouted at for no reason. I've been told that mental issues are quite common among ukrainian ladies. Any ideas how to deal with these girls? Are there any recommended medications available in local pharmacies?

[TinyHippo]

It seems that my GF got some sort of mental issues and cannot stop cursing and shouting at me when she's in bad mood. It not only happens right before her period but also happens a lot at other time of the month. At first I thought she was doing this on purpose to make me buy her something to please her or just to avoid having sex with me, but later found this is not the case. She doesn't only do this to me but also to her sister on telephone conversations. I really think she has got some mental issues. She hasnt even asked me for money for quite a long time.

I hate it when being insulted or shouted at for no reason. I've been told that mental issues are quite common among ukrainian ladies. Any ideas how to deal with these girls? Are there any recommended medications available in local pharmacies?

You need to be the man in the relationship and tell her to stop shouting. You cannot let a woman be the one in control. She will not have respect for you.

I have dated a dozen Ukrainians and there has been nothing close to this. If anything they are much more relaxed than Western girls and usually hide their feelings. You put your dick in crazy as they say. Do not be scared to walk away. You will forget about her once you find another girl.

[AntonySun1996]

It seems that my GF got some sort of mental issues and cannot stop cursing and shouting at me when she's in bad mood. It not only happens right before her period but also happens a lot at other time of the month. At first I thought she was doing this on purpose to make me buy her something to please her or just to avoid having sex with me, but later found this is not the case. She doesn't only do this to me but also to her sister on telephone conversations. I really think she has got some mental issues. She hasnt even asked me for money for quite a long time.

I hate it when being insulted or shouted at for no reason. I've been told that mental issues are quite common among ukrainian ladies. Any ideas how to deal with these girls? Are there any recommended medications available in local pharmacies?

[Riina]

I found the story about the Russian glam scammer in NY very interesting. If these rich kids would have known she was Russian, they would have been more cautious.

What happened to the old fashion Russian gold digger from twenty years ago? Yeah, they wanted to elevate themselves quickly in society but at least they saw a future together with their target. I can't recall one scam experience back in my day with Russians. Worse case was they would leave you if they found a better man. Now with social media, it's all about what they can extract from different people.

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I didn't realize there was any comedians in Ukraine.

More important subject: Would there be a change to visa-free travel for Ukrainian girls (unlikely), or anything that affects our hobby?

[MagicSheep74]

I didn't realise there was any comedians in Ukraine.

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Yes, my friend. You right. I like your style and your optimism. Our life is too short to be pessimistic. I agree with you in almost all the key points of this topic.

Thanks for your kind words.

And these times are gone. We all remember these times. But all good things never last too long.

And many new things come in the place of those old: for example, Viber and Instagram didn't exist during River Palace times.

tight pussies and hot skillful mouths will be for a long time. It just won't be as easy as before. There will be more courage. More activity. You will need to travel more often to Ukraine. To be open and sociable. That is, Ukraine should become for you something like a native country. You need more effort. If you do not have free time, then of course Asia or Colombia is better.

Exactly.

Difficult doesn't mean bad. Ukrainian girls are not obligated to serve whoever comes to Kiev for 3 days. They have multiple options nowadays:

1. That girl Oksana may say: "Fuck it! I don't want this pathetic loser, who is trying to get into my panties for 1500 UAH, I need more, and I can do better. My roommates Nastya and Elena certainly do better than that".

2. Or travel to Europe, Turkey, Dubai where expenses are higher but Ukrainian girls feel more confident, as there's an illusion of less competition. Or maybe competition is less qualified in marketing and delivering commodities.

3. Or establish a good network of trustworthy customers through the abundance of totally new platforms, that never existed even 3 years ago. Then transform into an indie and milk those customers regularly while young ass is still firm and breasts are perking up.

For business savvy girls the objective is to make enough money to buy an apartment in about 10-15 years on the market (from 18-21 until 28-35). There aren't enough oligarchs and rich sponsors for all the girls on the market in Kiev.

Married or not married, doesn't matter much. Exclusive discreet agencies and personal contacts assembled over time allow semi-monogamous Ukrainian ladies to make supplemental income on a side. And that is not considered prostitution. Those male contributors are friends, lovers, admirers and everything else.

Hunting in the strip or night club is a waste of time. Pros are expensive and digital (insincere). Decent (analog) girls can be found in the street, around Universities, or simply on Instagram, or even better through existing connections, same as where one would find a good girl deserving his time, money and attention. I am not going to marry those girls, but search criteria is the same.

Easy or difficult depends on visitor coming to Kiev. Tables have turned. We used to go to River Palace to pick from what market was offering. Now girls stay home and do their hunting remotely via messenger.

Insisting on doing it your foreigner's way through nightlife and shit, - is an exercise in stupidity. Kiev will surely take your hard earned cash at Arena City, Rio and Scarlette, giving not much in return. To enjoy Kiev to full extent you have to belong. I experienced a paradigm shift and 180 degrees change in girls attitude after staying in Kiev for 8 weeks last fall / winter.

Tomek is right, if you have no time then better go to German FKK or Thailand. Girls in Kiev understand business real well, as it is Charles Darwin's survival of the fittest forcing to learn fast. They want local natives, or expats, or regular visitors. STR means KEC / GIA, and even there customers complain about service quality. Same reasons as explained above.

And as tough as it seems, after I understood the fundamentals and settled my own principles, I do not know any better place, where I do not need a visa, and can be happy, satisfied and content over 90% of my time.

Brazil is great, need a visa.

Moscow is being advertised. It is substantially more expensive, need a visa, and I consider myself Ukrainian. Do not want to visit a country that started a war against mine, killed so many thousands and forced to relocate many many more. Advertising Moscow on Kiev Forum IMHO is not only inconsiderate and obnoxious, it shouldn't be tolerated.

[Tomek123]

Awesome report, great summary.

Thanks.

Beautiful photo. Ukrainian students. They are like an illustration for my thoughts and conclusions. They seem to say-guys. Do come from Canada and the USA. From Finland and Denmark. Do not behave like in Thailand. We are decent girls and we each have a boyfriend. So everything must be secret. We are not working girls. Everything should be like friendship. And a little romantic. Without excessive pedantry. This is one of the main mistakes of the western guys. They do not always know how to convince a Ukrainian girl that she is not a ****. These guys often do the opposite the girl felt that she was a working girl. These guys just do not understand this mentality and Slavic psychology. Everything should be a little clothed in the form of tender friendship and cooperation. Because the main value of Bangkok is the iron hot Asian working pussy. These Asian pussies work like pumps. From morning till evening. These are iron professionals. Connoisseurs of their business. This is a conveyor. But the biggest value of Kiev and Ukraine is beautiful simple girls who often have guys. And want to get married. These are non-professionals or temporary professionals. For example, a girl came from the province to find a groom in Kiev. And she needs to pay for an apartment. It is just a temporary stage in her life. She is not a prostitute in her psychological basis. Or she wants to buy beautiful clothes. Accessories and fashionable expensive shoes. Then she will probably find a Kiev Ukrainian guy and in a year they will get married. But while she looks at the windows of expensive boutiques with anguish. It is necessary that a 45 year old teacher from Finland or an engineer from England and this beautiful lady can meet. While this girl really wants this shoe from a boutique. And if the parties reach a compromise and this guy will not make blunders in 1-2 days unhappy elderly neighbors in the center of Kiev will hear behind the wall how a humble teacher from Helsinki turns into a lustful monster. Furious creak of the sofa and slaps on the beautiful ass.

The sound in the phone will be temporarily turned off so that boyfriend Sergey does not interfere with the girl in the process. And bestial male growl -yes. Yes. Well. Do you like. Oksana, get. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasss. Ochhhh. Yeeeee. The main thing is that this Finnish bald guy does not have problems with the cardiovascular system. Tight pussy is always acute stress. Then unfortunate Ukrainian neighbors will hear the sound of water in the shower. And then women's laughter. And then they will hear the sound of heels and see how some sort of charming creature in a short skirt came out of their house and went down spring street. This is Oksana. She took a shower after having sex with a Finnish physics teacher and now goes to the boutique to buy beautiful elegant fashion panties. She wants to put these panties on in three days. When she has a meeting with Sergey.

[DramaFree11]

Yes, my friend. You right. I like your style and your optimism. Our life is too short to be pessimistic. I agree with you in almost all the key points of this topic. Yes. That is, you will never experience such sensations and sexual emotions in Kiev or Kharkov, as in Thailand, but in Thailand you will not get those rare moments of pleasure in Ukraine. Kiev cannot give you so many Asian hot bodies and Asian pussies working. Who work from morning to evening. It's just mass prostitution. Rural population and girls from small Thai towns go to prostitution en masse. It has become a folk tradition. This is just a job. Asian job. You just have to understand that Kiev can never be the second,white, Bangkok, not because Kiev is very rich and rich and Ukraine is a prosperous country. Not. Not because. Ukraine is a poor country. A lot of poverty. This is just a different mentality. Experienced guys, veterans of Kiev hunting from Canada and The United States, has long written about this there. . Never hundreds and thousands of beautiful golden-haired Ukrainian women and girls will not take to the streets in Pattaya and will not laugh. Ukraine is Europe. You can fuck this beautiful 19 year old female student in your rented apartment in the center of Kiev. You can splash her face with sperm if you like it. Or persuade her to CIM if she need more money. Or anal sex. Such a girl as in this photo. I like this Russian or Ukrainian home porn. The guy and the girl in the poor apartment. You can also fuck such a girl in Ukraine.

Awesome report, great summary.

[Tomek123]

Admit it, Rog123, just like me, you are hopelessly addicted to this City. Easy to be, as per my subjective perception it is one of the best in the whole world.

I travel to Kiev since 1986. Regularly since 2003 with increasing frequency for longer and longer stays with every year passing. Found quite a few allies on this Forum and made friends on Viber and IRL in Kiev.

I have been to River Palace, Mandarin, Restown, and other places that do not exist anymore. One of all-time favorite girls I found at River Palace the night before departure to the airport. Yes, that wonderful place is gone, the whole City is different, but new faces and hot spots are emerging relentlessly.

Firmly addicted to young Ukrainian ladies myself, I spoke to five of them over different messengers today after being away from Kiev for almost four months now. Despite the challenges, overall I am definitely not on the losing side, and have no desire to change. Love Kiev, and it surely shows. To be continued.

Yes, my friend. You right. I like your style and your optimism. Our life is too short to be pessimistic. I agree with you in almost all the key points of this topic. Yes. That is, you will never experience such sensations and sexual emotions in Kiev or Kharkov, as in Thailand, but in Thailand you will not get those rare moments of pleasure in Ukraine. Kiev cannot give you so many Asian hot bodies and Asian pussies working. Who work from morning to evening. It's just mass prostitution. Rural population and girls from small Thai towns go to prostitution en masse. It has become a folk tradition. This is just a job. Asian job. You just have to understand that Kiev can never be the second,white, Bangkok, not because Kiev is very rich and rich and Ukraine is a prosperous country. Not. Not because. Ukraine is a poor country. A lot of poverty. This is just a different mentality. Experienced guys, veterans of Kiev hunting from Canada and The United States, has long written about this there. . Never hundreds and thousands of beautiful golden-haired Ukrainian women and girls will not take to the streets in Pattaya and will not laugh. Ukraine is Europe. You can fuck this beautiful 19 year old female student in your rented apartment in the center of Kiev. You can splash her face with sperm if you like it. Or persuade her to CIM if she need more money. Or anal sex. Such a girl as in this photo. I like this Russian or Ukrainian home porn. The guy and the girl in the poor apartment. You can also fuck such a girl in Ukraine. Now it's harder than in 2004 . Yes. Before these girls were ready for anything in bed. And Kiev hotels and apartments were trembling with sounds and screams. These times are gone forever. And the fuck of some little bald lawyer or doctor from Canada, they licked like the most delicious ice cream. It was like the discovery of america by Columbus. And these times are gone. We all remember these times. These tall girls with radiant skin in high heels. Along with some kind of real estate agent from Sweden or Denmark. Their tight Ukrainian narrow pussies and hot mouths made happy in bed not one and not two western not the most successful guys. These girls were like models. How much western sperm is left at that time in Kiev. You could probably create an artificial lake near Kiev from this sperm. But all good things never last too long. Exhausted by aggressive feminism and ugly harmful Western women, a Western man seemed to have fallen into some sort of oriental tale. In the West, a lot of money, and feminism, and a lot of unhappy single men. And a lot of sperm in the testicles. And in Ukraine, poverty, and many hot beautiful tight pussies and skillful mouths. And a little feminism. Now it is a little more in Ukraine than in those glorious times. It was a great combination. And what is also important. It was white European pussies. Not Asian workhorses. Like an erotic dream during teenage pollution. But all good things never last too long.

The UA girls were also happy. Then. In 2004 . When they abolished the visa regime. It did Yushchenko. Here they are foreigners. Now they don't need a visa. Now you don't need to become a sex slave in a Turkish brothel on the outskirts of Istanbul. You don't need to risk it. You don't need to go to it is unknown to then buy a Gucci handbag or expensive underwear. This can be obtained without risk to life and health. Because thousands and foreigners came to Kiev and then to Kharkov. And now any tall beautiful student can buy good shoes for herself or cosmetics. You just need to work a little with your pussy and mouth. In the room a hotel or a rented apartment. Without the risk of being sold into slavery. And here they are, beautiful panties from a fashionable boutique. Or shoes. And your boyfriend still does not know anything. You just need to take off your panties and stand a little in the pose of a dog in a rented apartment. And work with your tongue and mouth. You don't need to change your life and become a prostitute. And in the evening you go with your favorite boyfriend in a cafe or cinema. New expensive panties bought in a boutique yesterday cover up your pussy. Everyone is happy. A doctor or teacher from Finland is happy. You are happy. And your boyfriend is also happy. He knows nothing. And you do not need to go to the Turkish brothel. But these days are gone. But does this mean that Kiev has died forever? No. Ukraine will still be the poorest country in Europe for a long time. It will always be something like European mexico. And Russia will never let Ukraine go. Russia will always create problems and never allow Ukraine to become a rich European country. Which means tight pussies and hot skillful mouths will be for a long time. It just won't be as easy as before. There will be more courage. More activity. You will need to travel more often to Ukraine. To be open and sociable. That is, Ukraine should become for you something like a native country. You need more effort. If you do not have free time, then of course Asia or Colombia is better.

P.S.

(these photos are from home Russian or Ukrainian porn. In Ukraine and Russia there are really a lot of beautiful girls. Probably this combination of different blood and peoples. Nomads. Slavs. Wikings. This is a cocktail. So many beautiful women. .)

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I can go anywhere I want in the summer for my main yearly vacation and I'll Be back to Kiev for the fourth year in a row. Anyone can see from my post history that I post truthful reports and have visited most of the top mongering spots. So why would I continue to come back? I never even experienced the "glory days" of Kiev as my first trip was six years ago. For me this is the best spot for young attractive semi pros who give GFE experience.

Admit it, Rog123, just like me, you are hopelessly addicted to this City. Easy to be, as per my subjective perception it is one of the best in the whole world.

I travel to Kiev since 1986. Regularly since 2003 with increasing frequency for longer and longer stays with every year passing. Found quite a few allies on this Forum and made friends on Viber and IRL in Kiev.

I have been to River Palace, Mandarin, Restown, and other places that do not exist anymore. One of all-time favorite girls I found at River Palace the night before departure to the airport. Yes, that wonderful place is gone, the whole City is different, but new faces and hot spots are emerging relentlessly.

Firmly addicted to young Ukrainian ladies myself, I spoke to five of them over different messengers today after being away from Kiev for almost four months now. Despite the challenges, overall I am definitely not on the losing side, and have no desire to change. Love Kiev, and it surely shows. To be continued.