Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Riina]

, or are there any clubs at night where it is possible to pick up non pros.

If you're over 45, basically no.

Just get an apartment close to K street. Plenty of things to do for a month. Forget the civilians and grind through some hookers. It's the fastest way to socialize and possibly meet non pros.

[Dave1111]

I am a regular on this forum and have spent months in Rio, Cuba and Pattaya. I have never ventured to any Eastern European destination. I have an urger to visit the Ukraine. I am over 45 and have a bit of chat and seem to get along okay with the ladies. I usually book an air BnB or a girl friendly hotel, but don't overspend on accommodation as usually stay at least a month. I used the usual dating sites in Rio and had some good success, also visited terms and some agency girls popped over a few times. I don't pay over the top prices for the girls, in all honesty I don't think you need too. I like visiting bars where there are some decent women, no violence, no massive grief from security guards. I like a place where there is somewhere to hang out during the day, a gym and maybe a shopping mall etc.

I basically need some direction, in my circumstances where would you go, where would you stay and what do you do at night. What dating sites are people using, or are there any clubs at night where it is possible to pick up non pros.

I appreciate probably everything is dotted around the forum already but I literally don't even know the areas of the country, let alone anything else. I only speak English and a bit of Portuguese, not a word of Ukranian, Russian or whatever it is that they actually speak. I am quite excited to take a trip over there but do need some wisdom.

Regards.

[DramaFree11]

You are absolutely right.

My sponsored girl would try anything to please you several days before the pay day, but starts her abusive and disrespectful behaviours right after the pay day. This is no way acceptable. Not for me. After terminating this sponsorship, I am considering turning my focus onto Russian far east, which is geographically closer to my current location. Will visit Vladivostok soon. I was told the city has plenty of hot chicks while not ruined by mass sex tourism. Going to check it out.

This is the reality Kiev. While couple of guys continue to keep this Fantasy World alive. One writes, zero reports and the other claims he is 8-10 almost every night. Crazy that they complain about my posts.

[AntonySun1996]

After many, many experiences in Ukraine, Poland, Romania, Armenia, Georgia and other Eastern European countries, I made my final conclusion about Ukraine: Girls are 99 % cheap shit. Only interested in money. They want to make a child, then get divorced, of course keep the child and have the ex man paying. When they meet a foreigner, they mainly see a source of money. As long as he pays its all good. But they do not want to invest any single cents themselves. If the man rejects to pay for luxury (e. G. Not only a coffee, water or glass of wine. It must be a bottle of wine plus prosecco plus shrimps etc) then they call him sick and greedy. Fuck them! I never experienced such a shabby beaviour in Georgia or Armenia.

I will still go to Ukraine, maybe every once in a while, but only try to get as much sex from the girls. On the same time I am realistic now and know that a serious relationship with such a girl is hardly possible.

You are absolutely right.

My sponsored girl would try anything to please you several days before the pay day, but starts her abusive and disrespectful behaviours right after the pay day. This is no way acceptable. Not for me. After terminating this sponsorship, I am considering turning my focus onto Russian far east, which is geographically closer to my current location. Will visit Vladivostok soon. I was told the city has plenty of hot chicks while not ruined by mass sex tourism. Going to check it out.

[DramaFree11]

After many, many experiences in Ukraine, Poland, Romania, Armenia, Georgia and other Eastern European countries, I made my final conclusion about Ukraine: Girls are 99 % cheap shit. Only interested in money. They want to make a child, then get divorced, of course keep the child and have the ex man paying. When they meet a foreigner, they mainly see a source of money. As long as he pays its all good. But they do not want to invest any single cents themselves. If the man rejects to pay for luxury (e. G. Not only a coffee, water or glass of wine. It must be a bottle of wine plus prosecco plus shrimps etc) then they call him sick and greedy. Fuck them! I never experienced such a shabby beaviour in Georgia or Armenia.

I will still go to Ukraine, maybe every once in a while, but only try to get as much sex from the girls. On the same time I am realistic now and know that a serious relationship with such a girl is hardly possible.

Not sure, why this is a big surprise. I have been posting about this for 2 years. This is real Kiev.

[Riina]

After many, many experiences in Ukraine, Poland, Romania, Armenia, Georgia and other Eastern European countries, I made my final conclusion about Ukraine: Girls are 99 % cheap shit. Only interested in money. They want to make a child, then get divorced, of course keep the child and have the ex man paying. When they meet a foreigner, they mainly see a source of money. As long as he pays its all good. But they do not want to invest any single cents themselves. If the man rejects to pay for luxury (e. G. Not only a coffee, water or glass of wine. It must be a bottle of wine plus prosecco plus shrimps etc) then they call him sick and greedy. Fuck them! I never experienced such a shabby beaviour in Georgia or Armenia.

I will still go to Ukraine, maybe every once in a while, but only try to get as much sex from the girls. On the same time I am realistic now and know that a serious relationship with such a girl is hardly possible.

LOL. The grown up man getting freebies suddenly realizes how awful Ukrainians girls are. The country is a great place to become a child support victim. They undeniably good for fucking though.

[Michi T]

After many, many experiences in Ukraine, Poland, Romania, Armenia, Georgia and other Eastern European countries, I made my final conclusion about Ukraine: Girls are 99 % cheap shit. Only interested in money. They want to make a child, then get divorced, of course keep the child and have the ex man paying. When they meet a foreigner, they mainly see a source of money. As long as he pays its all good. But they do not want to invest any single cents themselves. If the man rejects to pay for luxury (e. G. Not only a coffee, water or glass of wine. It must be a bottle of wine plus prosecco plus shrimps etc) then they call him sick and greedy. Fuck them! I never experienced such a shabby beaviour in Georgia or Armenia.

I will still go to Ukraine, maybe every once in a while, but only try to get as much sex from the girls. On the same time I am realistic now and know that a serious relationship with such a girl is hardly possible.

[Riina]

I didn't understand: did she wanted to go to Kanapa?

It's quite a good place; on Andriyivsky, really not so far from Maidan and quite in the center. And not so expensive IMHO. Not cheap as many restaurants in Kiev, but I think I'd go there for a first meeting.

Dude, the guys a foreigner. He would have been foolish to go there, even if the place is better then sliced bread. McCafe is perfectly fine.

[Arkiloko]

Ok so there is a little anecdote off of tinder that can be used as a shareable moment, or even a teachable one.

So I matched with girl, we sent text, and before long that became chit chat through the day. This led to an agreement to meet over lunch. Here's where it goes to shit. She wants me to take her to this place, basically insists on it - https://g.co/kgs/4Uppdj that's right, the jerk wanted me to take her to a 5 star restaurant on the water for our first meeting! Are you fucking kidding me!? But I'm willing to spot that there may be a culture gap and I don't want to insinuate intent across text so I tactfully reply, well, here's the chatlog:

I didn't understand: did she wanted to go to Kanapa?

It's quite a good place; on Andriyivsky, really not so far from Maidan and quite in the center. And not so expensive IMHO. Not cheap as many restaurants in Kiev, but I think I'd go there for a first meeting.

[Riina]

Not only is Ukraine a damaged culture full of corruption, it's a brainless government. What the hell are they thinking with this whistle blower complaint against a very revengeful leader.

I plan to refocus on Russia.

[PhotoSlider]

Had some dates on Tinder I met a lady here for dinner. Polyuvannya Na Ovets it's like an Asian / steak restaurant. Yup you guessed it 5 star. Had to take an Uber there of course. I liked the lady plus wanted to see a different part of Kiev. I guess it was old Kiev.

I notice a lot of these ladies on Tinder they want to go to Avalon for drinks. I might have to check that place out? Is it good place?

Please explain your intentions.

I am sitting at Avalon this very moment and love it.

I have no intention to pick up anybody, and probably no chance, unless I do Tinder or Mamba or something. I am working on my laptop at the table, having great food and wine. Lots of eye candy at my vantage point.

Yes, Avalon is awesome. No it is not cheap. It may not fit your immediate needs.

[SFNative]

Had some dates on Tinder I met a lady here for dinner. Polyuvannya Na Ovets it's like an Asian / steak restaurant. Yup you guessed it 5 star. Had to take an Uber there of course. I liked the lady plus wanted to see a different part of Kiev. I guess it was old Kiev.

I notice a lot of these ladies on Tinder they want to go to Avalon for drinks. I might have to check that place out? Is it good place?

[PhotoSlider]

...Me: Wow. If this is a reflection of who you really are as a person, then I am glad we did not meet...

What a great line! Respect.

...Goldiggers should be treated like mosquitoes, delayed flights, broken computers and all the other myriad hassles a man has to deal with in life. Stay calm, navigate around the obstacle, move on...

Why both of the above reports are in Stupid Shit section? Pure wisdom, no less.

[Kozerog]

Kristina: Well, since I give a piece of myself and this is a problem for you, I don't think that we need to meet at all.

Classic golddigger line. It's always something to make the man feel guilty and cheap:

"I guess you can't afford the better things in life. ".

"So it's too expensive for you? You gave a different impression in your profile. I didn't realize you were poor. ".

"You have to excuse me, but I'm not a low class woman. I expect to be taken to nice places. ".

Lots of men, including me, naturally react to such taunts by wanting to prove we have money. Of course, I have the sense to recognize this reaction in myself and control it by just walking off. Other men swallow the bait and so the woman gets what she wants: an expensive dinner where she gets to treat the man with contempt the whole time. Women like this are often angry at other men for pumping and dumping or similar abuse, so now want revenge to make themselves feel better. Doesn't matter that the man she is revenging herself on is not the same as the one she is angry at.

Also, there are lots of men who actually want abuse like this from women. For example, there are men who feel helpless to control themselves sexually. By taking abuse, the man eventually comes to associate women with pain, and so his sexuality no longer controls him so much. Or something like that.

Goldiggers should be treated like mosquitoes, delayed flights, broken computers and all the other myriad hassles a man has to deal with in life. Stay calm, navigate around the obstacle, move on.

[ShawMan74]

Ok so there is a little anecdote off of tinder that can be used as a shareable moment, or even a teachable one.

So I matched with girl, we sent text, and before long that became chit chat through the day. This led to an agreement to meet over lunch. Here's where it goes to shit. She wants me to take her to this place, basically insists on it - https://g.co/kgs/4Uppdj that's right, the jerk wanted me to take her to a 5 star restaurant on the water for our first meeting! Are you fucking kidding me!? But I'm willing to spot that there may be a culture gap and I don't want to insinuate intent across text so I tactfully reply, well, here's the chatlog:

Me: its a little more than what I wanted for lunch. It is also a little far down the way.
Me: can you meet me a little closer to independence square / maiden maybe?
Kristina: Take taxi.
Kristina: It's problem?
Me: not a problem, just a little uncomfortable to go that far for lunch. Is it a problem for me to pick a restaurant a little closer to independence square area?
Kristina: Well, since I give a piece of myself and this is a problem for you, I don't think that we need to meet at all.
Me: Wow. If this is a reflection of who you really are as a person, then I am glad we did not meet.

Ok totally duplicitous, dodged a bullet there, WHEW! But on a different level of thinking it makes me wonder what kind of a miserable bastard she must be on the inside, to think in that manipulative way. To approach a social site designed to meet new people with the conniving mindset to gain what? A lunch. Really?? She is then the same kind of person who throws her hands up to the sky and says "hasa diga eebowai" (look it up) when she finally has a moment of clarity, and looks around her to find that her life has become nothing but a sad sack of shit. For this kind of toxic person life is not too short, on the contrary, it is almost entirely too long. And I hope she lives forever hahaha.