American Politics

[PVMonger]

I came across this as a comment on why liberals think Trump supporters are stupid?

It's well worth a read.

The serious answer: Here's what we really think about Trump supporters. The rich, the poor, the malignant and the innocently well-meaning, the ones who think and the ones who don't.

That when you saw a man who had owned a fraudulent University, intent on scamming poor people, you thought "Fine."

That when you saw a man who had made it his business practice to stiff his creditors, you said, "Okay."

That when you heard him proudly brag about his own history of sexual abuse, you said, "No problem."

That when he made up stories about seeing Muslim-Americans in the thousands cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center, you said, "Not an issue."

That when you saw him brag that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and you wouldn't care, you chirped, "he sure knows me."

That when you heard him illustrate his own character by telling that cute story about the elderly guest bleeding on the floor at his country club, the story about how he turned his back and how it was all an imposition on him, you said, "That's cool!

That when you saw him mock the disabled, you thought it was the funniest thing you ever saw.

That when you heard him brag that he doesn't read books, you said, "Well, who has time?

That when the Central Park Five were compensated as innocent men convicted of a crime they didn't commit, and he angrily said that they should still be in prison, you said, "That makes sense."

That when you heard him tell his supporters to beat up protesters and that he would hire attorneys, you thought, Yes!

That when you heard him tell one rally to confiscate a man's coat before throwing him out into the freezing cold, you said, "What a great guy!

That you have watched the parade of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with whom he curries favor, while refusing to condemn outright Nazis, and you have said, "Thumbs up!

That you hear him unable to talk to foreign dignitaries without insulting their countries and demanding that they praise his electoral win, you said, "That's the way I want my President to be."

That you have watched him remove expertise from all layers of government in favor of people who make money off of eliminating protections in the industries they're supposed to be regulating and you have said, "What a genius!

That you have heard him continue to profit from his businesses, in part by leveraging his position as President, to the point of overcharging the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, and you have said, "That's smart!

That you have heard him say that it was difficult to help Puerto Rico because it was in the middle of water and you have said, "That makes sense."

That you have seen him start fights with every country from Canada to New Zealand while praising Russia and quote, "falling in love" with the dictator of North Korea, and you have said, "That's statesmanship!

That Trump separated children from their families and put them in cages, managed to lose track of 1500 kids, has opened a tent city incarceration camp in the desert in Texas. He explains that they're just "animals" - and you say, "Well, OK then. "

That you have witnessed all the thousand and one other manifestations of corruption and low moral character and outright animalistic rudeness and contempt for you, the working American voter, and you still show up grinning and wearing your MAGA hats and threatening to beat up anybody who says otherwise.

What you don't get, Trump supporters in 2020, is that succumbing to frustration and thinking of you as stupid may be wrong and unhelpful, but it's also. Hear me. Charitable.

Because if you're NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and most of them are less flattering.

[PVMonger]

"Conservatives" and Republicans' favoring Putin over the duly elected President of the United States pre-dates Trump. There was nothing new about Trump's praise and admiration for Putin/Russia over America in the Republican Party. Trump simply fit in perfectly with the anti-Americanism his Party wanted to see and hear from their elected leaders.

Conservatives harbor an odd admiration for Vladimir Putin
March 7, 2014
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/topo...306-story.html

Of course, they despised Obama. He took over in the midst of still another Great Republican Crash, Recession/Depression and massive USA job destruction and, through his, Pelosi, Reid and the Dems' smarts, determination and strength produced and presided over one of the greatest and longest USA economic recoveries, expansions, jobs creation and stock market Bull Runs in history, all of which is the exact opposite of everything the Republican Party wants for America. By stark contrast, Trump delivered on their every wish beautifully.

Of course RethugliKKKants hate Obama. He is black. He put black people into positions of power and RethugliKKKans hated that. Look at how many of them have a HO for BLM. Of course, they'll point to a few instances of rioting and paint all of BLM as terrorists. Even the MAGA slogan is racist as I and others have long pointed out. https://medium.com/s/story/the-maga-...t-41f466364cfc and https://chiniquy.wordpress.com/2015/...ver-100-years/.

The sad part of all of this isn't that racism exists or that dumpism merely gave racists the cover to come out into the sunlight. No, the sad part is that HRC was right, at least in part. She called dumpers "a basket of deplorables". Since 74+ million of them voted for dump in 2020, she was wrong only in the size of the container.

[Spidy]

"A GOP official from Texas who regularly espoused anti-vaccine and anti-mask views online has died from COVID-19, five days after posting a meme on Facebook questioning the wisdom of getting inoculated against COVID."

https://news.yahoo.com/texas-gop-off...213828504.html

Sad, very sad indeed, when you think this all could have been avoided.

Dude leaves behind a wife and child. The wife is COVID positive, so let hope she pulls through for sake of the child.

[EihTooms]

Yes, but I didn't mean the economic downturn or even loss of life due to the pandemic. I'm talking about the mindset of almost half of the Americans who're ready and willing to embrace authoritarian leaders and do away with democracy and our way of life.

That has never been the case. Not during the Great Depression, not ever. That's the last 30 years of American history, from Gingrich to Trump.

The Republican Party has become the only major ultra-right political party in the world. Another record.

Should we really be surprised that so many republicans are enamored with Putin?

How the GOP Became the Party of Putin

Republicans have sold their souls to Russia. And Trump isnt the only reason why

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...-putin-215387/

"Conservatives" and Republicans' favoring Putin over the duly elected President of the United States pre-dates Trump. There was nothing new about Trump's praise and admiration for Putin/Russia over America in the Republican Party. Trump simply fit in perfectly with the anti-Americanism his Party wanted to see and hear from their elected leaders.

Conservatives harbor an odd admiration for Vladimir Putin
March 7, 2014
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/topo...306-story.html

All of this suggests two things. One is that conservatives despise Obama as much as they ever detested any Soviet leader and so they give more slack to Russias president than they do to their own. The other is that todays conservatives like their leaders to be testosterone-driven tough guys who dispense with niceties and nuance.

Oh, how happy they would be if they could find their own Vladimir Putin to run for president in 2016.

Of course, they despised Obama. He took over in the midst of still another Great Republican Crash, Recession/Depression and massive USA job destruction and, through his, Pelosi, Reid and the Dems' smarts, determination and strength produced and presided over one of the greatest and longest USA economic recoveries, expansions, jobs creation and stock market Bull Runs in history, all of which is the exact opposite of everything the Republican Party wants for America. By stark contrast, Trump delivered on their every wish beautifully.

[EihTooms]

What was Paul Ryan's position on govt spending when he was first elected and what was his legacy on govt spending when he left office?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...e8c_story.html

Theres two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump, McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthys assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.

When the Republican Party House Leader then and NOW openly acknowledged his Party's wildly and historically popular (with virtually ALL Republicans to this very day) so-called potus behaved AS THOUGH he was on Russia's payroll and might indeed have BEEN on Russia's payroll at the time but the Republican House Speaker demanded his fellow "America First" bullshitters swear an oath of secrecy about it, sorry, folks, that is NOT a "very good person" for anyone except Putin.

Imagine how different the world would be today and how many Americans would still be alive if that supposedly "very good person" Paul Ryan had not demanded his fellow Repubs behave and keep quiet about what every lucid person on the planet with at least minimal comprehension skills could figure out and instead, oh I don't know, spearheaded and supported an Impeachment, conviction and removal from office for Trump sometime before he wasted Trillion$ on that totally useless idiotic December 2017 economic legislation and defunded the CDC in 2018.

[EihTooms]

There are many very good people in the Republican party. They seem to get drowned out at times. There are also utter and complete idiots who I won't honor by mentioning their irrelevant names. These people are and will be costing the Republican ticket votes. Their fanaticism to fudge the truth about a not so conservative narcicist with autocratic leanings will peter out. And a few good people liky Paul Ryan and others shall shine again.

Anyone with access to current and historical facts and data who is still calling him/herself a Republican today is by far more of the problem than the solution. I'll even include those too embarrassed by the results of their Party's governance to call themselves a Republican and hide behind the term "Independent". If there are a couple of "good people" still suggesting any sane pro-American ought to vote for a Republican again after what they have been responsible for over the past 100 years or more, then they are horribly misguided "good people" and are every bit as bad for America as the knowingly and proud anti-America Repubs.

The reason those possible couple of "good people" in the Republican Party get drowned out is because producing positive results for America is not what their chosen Party is about. Never has been. Never will be. Their Party's mission is to produce the exact opposite of positive results for America. And in that mission they have proven to be terrifically competent and successful whenever the American electorate is foolish enough to give them another, another and another chance to demonstrate their expertise at doing that very thing and nothing else.

[Xpartan]

Insofar as jobs lost, loss of wealth, I think the Great Depression was worse.

But the orange buffoon's botched response to COVID killed more Americans than all American combat deaths in WWII. His botched response resulted in America's average age going down. Of course, RethugliKKKans will be the first to equivocate but the facts are clear: the orange buffoon was to blame.

What I don't understand is why he has tried so hard to keep a job that he was so bad at. I guess the "Peter Principle" was right: he rose to his level of incompetence. Then got kicked to the curb.

Yes, but I didn't mean the economic downturn or even loss of life due to the pandemic. I'm talking about the mindset of almost half of the Americans who're ready and willing to embrace authoritarian leaders and do away with democracy and our way of life.

That has never been the case. Not during the Great Depression, not ever. That's the last 30 years of American history, from Gingrich to Trump.

The Republican Party has become the only major ultra-right political party in the world. Another record.

Should we really be surprised that so many republicans are enamored with Putin?

How the GOP Became the Party of Putin

Republicans have sold their souls to Russia. And Trump isnt the only reason why

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...-putin-215387/

[PVMonger]

"A GOP official from Texas who regularly espoused anti-vaccine and anti-mask views online has died from COVID-19, five days after posting a meme on Facebook questioning the wisdom of getting inoculated against COVID."

https://news.yahoo.com/texas-gop-off...213828504.html

[PVMonger]

Yes it is Republicans standing for the National Anthem and honoring the fosters and stripes that is hurting the country. It is the a republicans that want a secure border and criminals prosecuted that hurst the USA. It is not the democrats who turn their back and kneel for the National Anthem that creates division. It is not the democrats who hate America, love illegal immigration and defund the police that hurt USA. It is not the democrats who are trying to eliminate ICE and Homeland security that hurts America. It is the hard working Republicans who pay taxes, support the police, ICE and Homeland security that is hurting USA.

And yet, with all of your unhinged rants, you still haven't bothered to post a link where a Democratic politician at the national level has said "I want open borders."

How come? Is Google hiding those pesky links again?

[PVMonger]

Fake news is fake news. You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. From Russian collusion to BLB. Fake news no matter how you dress it up.

You called "Riggo's Rag", a Washington Football Team fan site "fake news" solely because they contradicted your lie that some NFL teams were 80% unvaccinated. So, to you, anything is "fake news" that contradicts your, oftentimes warped, opinion. C'Mon., defend that. https://riggosrag.com/.

You called the Associated Press "fake news" when a poster used an AP article to prove you wrong. Again. The AP has been around since 1846. Do you actually think that they would have lasted for over 150 years if all they told were lies? C'Mon., defend that.

Then, when you came up with yet another lie about the death of a CBP afent, Fux "News" didn't report your lie. How come you didn't call them "fake news"? C'Mon, defend that.

And lastly, when CNN and other of your so-called "fake news" outlets pilloried Gov. Cuomo, what did you do? You stayed silent. How come? C'on, defend that.

What shade of lipstick do you wear?

[Horatio]

What was Paul Ryan's position on govt spending when he was first elected and what was his legacy on govt spending when he left office?

There are many very good people in the Republican party. They seem to get drowned out at times. There are also utter and complete idiots who I won't honor by mentioning their irrelevant names. These people are and will be costing the Republican ticket votes. Their fanaticism to fudge the truth about a not so conservative narcicist with autocratic leanings will peter out. And a few good people liky Paul Ryan and others shall shine again.

[Philosophus]

This is what I meant by saying even THEY know how disgustingly rotten and anti-American democracy from the head down every member of the Republican Party knows their Party is:

There are many very good people in the Republican party. They seem to get drowned out at times. There are also utter and complete idiots who I won't honor by mentioning their irrelevant names. These people are and will be costing the Republican ticket votes. Their fanaticism to fudge the truth about a not so conservative narcicist with autocratic leanings will peter out. And a few good people liky Paul Ryan and others shall shine again.

[Canada]

If their delusion about provable facts being "fake news" while the easily debunked horseshit crapped out of Tucker Carlson, Laura Igraham, Sean Hannity, Donald Trump and the rest of the FUX News Channel traitors every day is the "gospel truth" only resulted in serious harm to themselves and no one else it would be a bad but hilarious joke.

Unfortunately, since it has shown to result in hundreds of thousands of American deaths, more around the world, massive USA job losses in the millions, Trillion$ in lost USA household wealth and now the potential destruction of American democracy, it can't be dismissed as a bad joke just on them. It is turning America into a shithole country the likes of which Americans used to pity.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/...4-117869125703

https://mobile.twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1422633366361366529

Yes it is Republicans standing for the National Anthem and honoring the fosters and stripes that is hurting the country. It is the a republicans that want a secure border and criminals prosecuted that hurst the USA. It is not the democrats who turn their back and kneel for the National Anthem that creates division. It is not the democrats who hate America, love illegal immigration and defund the police that hurt USA. It is not the democrats who are trying to eliminate ICE and Homeland security that hurts America. It is the hard working Republicans who pay taxes, support the police, ICE and Homeland security that is hurting USA.

[Canada]

Why is it that you label everything "fake news" except stuff from the always wrong "Gateway Pundit" or the crackpot "InfoWars".

You need to look up the term "Confirmation Bias". It is a real term.

Fake news is fake news. You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. From Russian collusion to BLB. Fake news no matter how you dress it up.

[PVMonger]

Agreed. And it's mindboggling that for the first time in the world history (historians may correct me if I'm wrong) this is happening in a rich, prosperous nation rather than a country devoured by a war or ravaged by hunger. Covid alone hasn't done it, it's Covid under Trump that's turned it into a perfect shitstorm.

Insofar as jobs lost, loss of wealth, I think the Great Depression was worse.

But the orange buffoon's botched response to COVID killed more Americans than all American combat deaths in WWII. His botched response resulted in America's average age going down. Of course, RethugliKKKans will be the first to equivocate but the facts are clear: the orange buffoon was to blame.

What I don't understand is why he has tried so hard to keep a job that he was so bad at. I guess the "Peter Principle" was right: he rose to his level of incompetence. Then got kicked to the curb.