Medellin Reports

[MaddTraveler]

Granted I don't get the complete picture because all three have been on my Ignore List from early on. And I don't give it more than a passing notice, but MarquisdeSade1, MaddTraveler, and MiamiSammy scream at me as the same skewed individual. The purpose appears to be mainly piling on, validating, and furthering his own viewpoints and agenda. In other words the height of insecurity. Just like when a septic tank overflows, I still get exposed to his seepage when his posts are included in other users' replies. Mood stabilizer drugs could play a helpful role here. Or something. Maybe a long walk off a short pier, jajajaja.

I don't know you nor recalled what I did or said to you. I just notice my username in your post. My dude, I own multiple businesses incl internet ventures. I don't use social media, and this platform and couple others are the only ones I use to share and read intel on our hobby. Meaning, unless something is making me money, it doesn't interest me much. So what benefit would I have to troll here, waste time or to have multiple accounts? You're nuts.

If 3 different users disagree with on some BS you wrote, the logical thing to do is question yourself, that maybe stop posting your garbage that make 3 diff users disagree with you instead of having illusions that we're all the same person. I find that pathetic, no merit whatsoever. Normally I ignore retards, but I just wanted to make it clear for the records.

Your next attack will be reported and hopefully Admin will take note.

[Surfer500]

Well, if I could go back in time and talk to my mid 20's self, and I had the possibility to work remotely (not as common 35 years ago, I'd have some simple advice.

First I'd tell myself to start learning Spanish, but you've already got that covered. Then I'd tell myself to take some classes and improve my dance skills.

After that I wouldn't even worry about P4P, except if I happened to get bored. At your age, fluent in Spanish, you're a hot commodity in Medellin. If you can dance, you'll draw women like flies, except there aren't many flies in Medellin.

Food is cheap in Colombia, especially if you stick to basics and cook for yourself. The hard part will be finding an apartment that maximizes your bang per buck. Local transportation is cheap as well.

If you focus on the non-pros, you'll probably be kept busy enough to keep your mind off P4P. And you can probably cut that average date cost as well.

I think all of your advice is correct for a guy in his twenties, albeit he said he only had a budget of $ 1,000 a month, so this begs the question with him being a foreigner if he will really be able to attract non-pros compared to local guys that might have a similar disposable income.

The Chicas here love guys that can wine and dine them, so for a guy in his twenties with lots of cash that takes your good advice, they should have it made in the shade.

[MaddTraveler]

Trip Summary Update June 27-July 4th: SA, Casas, centro, Lleras, street pickup, group hang out, heartbreak, betrayal, gay parade, police called.

SA / NON-PROS.

Enjoying my trip so far, and this is rather a summary instead of a day by day breakdown. After the first day on my previous report with the late SA chica drama that I had to cancel, apologies came in order from both sides and we re-arranged a meet. She's 25, maybe 7. 5/8, personality 10. We've met 2 times so far, full GFE, BBBJ / BBFS, all good, for an evening till next morning damage 200 k. Then I met with one of my 10's twice also, dinner date + overnight, 20 years, 10 all around college student, Full GFE, first date w condom cost $0, second date BBFS, damage 200 k. I have one more 10 that made contact also, we have a date set for this week. No longer an active member but were the few I kept in roster and had build a relationship with. I've also made the effort to approach couple non pros in the streets while walking around, and one cute morena waitress. We are in discussion and setting some dates, they want to take me out to some parks, one is a sweet couple so a possible threesome is in order, all free.

Daily chicas: Averaging 2-3 daily.

Centro chicas:

Met a buddy from my flight and another from the hotel, we stroll through Centro quite a few times, drink beers and talk to chicas. I haven't use their short time hotels but invited few so far to mine (Nutibara) and 50 k each round. Best time for Centro is afternoon between 3-7 PM, entire wall of Veracruz church and past it to the main intersection is crazy with chicas. If you stand around and walk around a little by the bars and in that area, you should be able to see many within your taste, many 6-8 range or even better rarely. White / Blacks, Colombianas but mostly Venezolanas, young, old, some could be underage I don't know. At times I would ask a super young looking one their age they always say 18/19 with IDs. But still be careful. Some will ask 50 k incl hotel, some ask for 30/35 k + hotel which is about 15 k so it's the same thing. Last night I walked around past 9 pm, there were kids playing in plaza botero, no cops but didn't feel any danger. Walkd through busy intersection and saw a hottie who's at least a solid 8, took number but went to parque lleras to see what was going on there.

Casa runs:

Buddy came nearly daily to my hotel via Uber, then walkd together to New Life, if nothing's appealing we'd walk to Amiga de Sexy couple blocks away. Zandaly is also within a shorter walking distance, and we've also visited Energy. Energy had a short line up and we were told they do outcalls now so most of the hot girls were not there, kinna was disappointed.

New Life: You pay after you finish, 55 k for 30 min.

Amiga sexy: Pay upfront: 50 k for 30 min.

Zandaly (has best line up, Andrea's my fav and solid 8) 50 k /30 min, 85 k / HR.

Energy: Massage incl, 140 k / HR.

Strip Clubs:

I didn't visit La Isla / Face 2 yet, but did some runs on those rundown centro strip clubs like Conejitas (banged for 100 k, maybe a 7). Buddy banged one at Hilton Grill, 72 k, solid 8, I banged two from Barra Ejecutiva, all walking distance, solid 8, 80 k, then she came to my hotel again for same pricing and spent more time. There are still several clubs I wish to visit, just so little time. During each club visit, Centro, Llera, I always end up adding 5 hot chica numbers on my phone, and definitely not enough time to bang them all.

Parque Lleras:

I visit Lleras every other night, my first encounter upon arrival of my trip was from there on my first report. Parque lleras is what it is, some here will swear it's the best place on the planet and it's not. Gusto's quality has gone down, last night cost to enter was 20 k, me and buddy walked right out. I did get a couple numbers from a previous visit that I may do biz with. Met several chicas there and saw several from Centro. This happens when you stay close to Centro and walk around a lot, you become familiar with the faces especially if you've exchanged numbers with them. I mean many of them. If I didn't know many times I'd pay the 150 k /250 k they're asking in lleras, but hard for me to justify when I can get them in Centro for 30. The ones not from centro I've had good and bad experience with. Good experience mean I paid 150 k, GFE, no drama, muy carinosa, all went well. Then last night, met this brunette from Col, 22, at first she appeared sweet and interesting, but there were red flags which I fully ignored, and I will write why I missed those since there were some major distractions in the park last night.

Police called. Night of 7/4th, 2: AM.

So w / the 22 year old brunette from lleras, we agreed on 200 k after she asked for 250. We spent maybe 30 minutes together, talking, bought her a beer, danced very briefly. We stood both inside and outside of a bar next to Gusto, and entire time she kept on saying she's really good in sex, she really want some, and kept on insisting on going. She was also giving me those quick kisses on the lips, trying to seduce me. Now mind you, I am no expert but I am no newbie either. My spidey senses are normally intact, and the usual me would reject her in a heartbeat. Girls like that always offer bad service, always a major disappointment, plus she smokes weed. We took a cab to the hotel, she was talking shit about oh why do you stay downtown and not Poblado? It's ugly here, blah blah, more redflags (she lives in Poblado and dresses fancy). All things I shouldn't ignore but I did, again you will see why soon I wasn't on my game.

So after she got in the room, I put some music, then she took off one side of her dress then asked for the money upfront. This is something I never do, and will never do unless I'm in a professional establishment like a brothel or strip club. So I explained politely that you know damn well I can pay you, let's do business and you'll get paid, hard no from her, and hard no from me. Immediately I said well get the fuck out. She called police, or wanted 150 k for her time LOL. I'm not going to do that either and offered 50 k and she declined. Police came w / in 10 minutes with hotel clerk. There were two of them, both started listening to my side of the story first, then one who was aggressive walked away to listen to her side, not sure what she said he immediately came in my face and said you pay her, or handcuff, said that in Spanish. Thankfully I speak a little, nearly fluent, I was able to defend myself and explained she's been in my room for 5 minutes, and in the club for 30 minutes talking only and people normally don't pay for that. Then the aggressive fucker said this is Colombia. I had to reiterate that normally it's not the way things go in Colombia. Talking to someone for few minutes doesn't warrant payment.

This is the big difference with Dominican Rep, Costa Rica and Colombia. In DR and CR you get more protection as a tourist then in Colombia. In Colombia the only thing they love is your money, but you get no protection, and in fact it is a dangerous country if you don't know how to move. No one cares in Col. In DR, If I mention police the chica would run. Here I almost got locked up for me getting robbed.

I believe it was her intention in the first place, to tease, then run away with some free cash. This has been attempted before and happened once to me Mde, and prev chica left with taxi money, but never had one with audacity to actually call the police. She was arrogant, very loud and very vulgar. Her name is ROSA, long dark hair, has braces, almost petite, would rate her maybe a 7, lives in Poblado. So if you run into her, beware. I've seen guys made chicas send everything negotiated in their whatsapp, and I at times thought those were excessive, but now I'm thinking about doing the same, including mentioning in writing if you'll pay upfront or after. The thing is, this will happen 1 out of 10 or 1 out of 20 times. So it is rare, but when it does happen your entire vacation could be ruined. I notice this is also why many vets have a set of trusted chicas in their roster, and repeat with only with those and I don't blame them. My previous trips I didn't do that, and now learning from wiser vets and doing the same. Making of list and saving all good chicas, and when I return to simply go through the list that way no unexpected malicious behaviors, then can still do casa runs and club runs since those are in a business settings and won't rob you.

So one of the cop who was decent, agreed with me and understood my position, suggested that I just pay her half. So I paid her 100 k and she left cursing out loud, I replied and wished her happiness for stealing $28.

Why her, gay parade in Parque Lleras.

The entire city had a major parade all day, July 4th, and today is a holiday, many businesses are closed etc. So at first I thought it was some simple street parties, started around the centro area which I accidently took part of walking from one of my casas. Took some vids, shots, rested in hotel then a quick stroll through the plaza and then Lleras. While in Lleras, I was shocked the celebrations arrived at the park. AND found out it was mainly a gay parade. I am not homophobic, no issues with gays. But I was disturbed that they chose parque Lleras. I mean there were hundreds, music, stages, dances, dudes in dresses and skirts twerking all over the place. Many hit of me, and I'd be offended if they didn't since I look good LOL. So I arrived there like 9:20 p and parties lasted till 1-2 AM but the park / club stayed open till 4 a just like weekend being a pre-holiday.

Myself and many other mongers were talking and joking about the many dudes holding hands, drag queens, trans, and we were concerned about taking one home accidently as a joke. But still was a sight to see, dudes dancing and grinding on each other in the bar I was at. So this is why I wasn't focused and wasn't on my best game to detect this chica's bullshit. Otherwise this wouldn't happen to me. It was still an entertaining night, just didn't get laid and spent 240 k total for the night LOL. 100 k for her time and 140 k in street beer / taxi. Not my best night, but still could've been worse by me going to jail because I almost grabbed the ***** to throw her out of my hotel room when she didn't want to leave. Thankfully I wasn't drunk and thought hard on things. I won't let these few bad apples change my overall opinion on women in Colombia. Because most are genuinely kind and worth being with, pros or not. This is no different than the states where a hooker would arrive, asked for money upfront to pay taxi, walk out and never come back. You can't call the police since it's illegal and this happens many many times when you pay the wrong ***** upfront. This is one of cons or the price we pay for pleasure.

Heartbreak / betrayal.

This title "Heartbreak" is rather for entertainment. The buddy I met from the plane and many others I've already hangd with will immediately tell you one thing for sure about me, that I'm a hardcore MF, insensitive and ruthless at times. I use logic above all emotions, but overall try to play fair.

So in this story, met a solid 8 initially in Centro while few buddies and I were hanging out. She's 27, has a younger sister who's even hotter, from Venezuela. It's possible some of you have met them. I met those two again, including a whole posse also while at Parque Lleras at nights, numbers already exchanged since the centro meet. Then this past Thurs morning she contacted me to see if I wantd to take her after she saw me both in Centro then Lleras prev day, I offerd 100 k for an HR, she counter with 250 k min, then I advised her hey I met you frist at Centro, and we all know the going rate and that's what I'll pay, so she counted again with 120/ HR, and two hours 240 k. I took the 2 hours option incl taxi since she was coming directly from home (lives in Poblado). Came and spent 3 hours, very friendly, great session, two rounds, 240 k. She was very relaxed, didn't even want to leave, and we only left the room since buddy was on his way to grab lunch together. So I invited her, we all ate lunch together, chilled, laughed, then she proposed to take me out to Guatape on Sat, would spend the night both Fri and Sat at no charge although I had plan to compensate her properly. When she was in the room, we did talk about a lot things, family, etc. She was ok to become friends, and we had a good vibe. I almost forgot I was dealing with a WG. Oh well. This is the friendly part of me. When I meet someone who opens up, I open up also and share a bit and allow them in my circle.

So during lunch, buddy mentioned and asked about her sister since we all saw the sister in the street, prob a solid 8. 5/9, then she said after lunch she'll go find the sister, and can meet us later at Lleras for a double date. Date was solid, as I we had plan to take them to Lleras park club, get a bottle etc. We did something like that the night before with two chicas from Lleras. When we arrived at the park, buddy she's her, crossed the street and got her attention, and pointed her to me from across, she saw me, waived and I waived back thinking she'll come talk to me to figure out where we're going the 4 of us. Suddenly some other dude grabbed her and they talkd for a while. At first I thought she was giving out her number, she's a WG and no biggie, but she did the worst thing you can imagine. First, I saw the guy she's talking to staring at me incl a friend of his, not sure what she told them, perhaps she has a date with me, guy seemed over agitated and was negotiating very hard LOL. Then walked to a bar and bought her a drink. While I'm waiting across with my buddy, a beautiful Vennie came to talk to me and proposed me, I declined. But when I decl a girl, sometimes I say things like, maybe later. Then I notice the girl who came to propose is a friend of my date, so I'm being set up, my date sent another girl my way so she can go away with the aggressive dude? Yikes!!

She did just as I imagined, she walked away with the guy. After a while, in disappointment, took the courage to go ask the younger sister what happened, sister said my date thought I agreed to go with the friend. I'm like that BS, and she did that as a way to not look so guilty, to manipulate. I almost took the younger sister home instead as a revenge, but I didn't even want to mess with that crew. To me it's disrespectful. I don't expect complete honor among working girls, but still a little decency goes a long way. Because there was absolutely no reason for it, I got money just like that guy she left with, plus we had plans for many more dates. It's true WG aren't smart. They'd rather make quick buck now, and lose out of a more stable source including a friendship. First, you can't truly break someone's heart unless they're in love with you, so I wasn't heartbroken, but definitely felt betrayed in some form.

Later that night we had a heated discussion via text as to what happened. She sounded very convinced that I accepted her friend's offer, or she's a good manipulator, especially since it's her friend that came to me. What a coincidence? Then she immediately came to tell you? Whatthefuckever I wasn't born yesterday. Then claimed that's why she left with the guy. I'm like you couldn't even approach me to confirm? We broke bread together earlier, we bonded, I deserved at least that. Your girl came and talkd to me for two minutes, and you're telling you were willing to walk away with another guy in front of me, without a word? In fact, while we were in bed earlier, I even told her how I turn women down, by telling them later cause I don't want to be rude sometimes and laughed that it's a terrible way. Now you're telling me I told your friend maybe later, and you believed it? Made no sense. Anyhow, she apologized, but obvio all future dates are cancelled. I don't care if she fucks 20 guys a day, but when it's my turn, it's my turn. If I have to wait for another guy, and you skip me right in front of me, you're trash. I did exchange some harsh words, and was my error once more to think a hoe can have honorable words.

Here for two more weeks, and definitely won't make those rusty mistakes again. Few months out of the game will do this to you. Or being too happy enjoying yourself will make you let your guard down till you're reminded with a heavy cost. These issues do not occur with non-pros, and my romantic side always get the best of me trying to treat hookers like women. I always defend them when men treat them like trash on here, and this is what I get. So no more. *****s are working girls, don't try to domesticate them, don't marry them, don't take them on dates, negotiate everything upfront, in writing is even better (suggested by the police that came even). Don't make the mistakes I made. Still having a blast.

[Surfer500]

How do you get by getting bareback services in centro? Do they feel unsafe / offended if you mention it and what percentage do you guys reckon would accept it for a 30 k tip, I plan on taking PrEp with me so inb4 don't do bare, thanks.

If your going to bareback any Chicas in El Centro, why would you even be concerned whether the girls feel unsafe or are offended. If they agree to it, you shouldn't be concerned, and in Colombia, it's very common for guys to ask for it, so it won't come as a surprise to them like it would be in other Countries.

As far as what percentage of the Chicas that will go bareback, well that in most cases will be a function of what your willing to pay, and how much they want.

Right before the Pandemic, and out of curiosity only, I asked a Chica in El Centro how much more to bareback her, and she said it was expensive and would be an upcharge of 5 K.

So to answer your question whether 30 K would be enough, well if the Chica is going for 30 K, then that's a huge amount of money to offer. With a 30 K girl, start at 15 K, and see if she bites.

If not, double down at 30 K and you will probably get to cream pie her!

[Surfer500]

How do you offend a sex worker by talking about sex? It is like offending the cashier at McDonald's by asking for cheese on your burger.

Mr. E you've simplified your take on the issue of guys approaching Chicas for bareback sex.

And the reality is that asking to bareback a Chica in some instances and in lot's of Countries will offend a sex worker where sex is highly regulated. In New Zealand as an example there's posters in the rooms regarding the use of condoms.

As your aware sex in Colombia is not regulated, yet some Chicas will get offended if asked to bareback here. Put yourself in their shoes, a guy comes along and wants to bareback them, and for all they know the guy could have Herpes, Genital Warts, HIV, to name a few and don't want to take the risk of acquiring an STD, and hence would be offended by being asked.

Today I was under the Parque Berrio Metro station talking with a Chica and this very subject came up indirectly. I asked her how much for her services, she said 30 K, and then in Spanish I said que es incluido meaning what was included, and then she said all the sex was with a preservativo (condom) and was very adamant about it. She apparently didn't understand what I asked in Spanish, and may of thought I was saying does that include a condom confusing "incluido" with "condon" in Spanish.

[Mr Enternational]

How do you get by getting bareback services in centro? Do they feel unsafe / offended if you mention it.

How do you offend a sex worker by talking about sex? It is like offending the cashier at McDonald's by asking for cheese on your burger.

[Orgasmico]

How do you get by getting bareback services in centro? Do they feel unsafe / offended if you mention it and what percentage do you guys reckon would accept it for a 30 k tip, I plan on taking PrEp with me so inb4 don't do bare, thanks.

Everything is negotiable. Success depends on you. No one can tell you how successful you will be. If you find someone desperate enough, they might accept 30 K. There is something for every budget. Good luck!

[TravelDog99]

I am planning my first trip to Medellin in September or October. I have stayed in Costa Rica before at the Sportsman's Lodge and am looking for a similar experience. Low key, kind of quiet, food and beverages available in or nearby, safe and secure and enough girls to choose from to have some variety and keeping it interesting. Even some girls around if you feel the urge mid-day. I am not interested in the late night nightclub scene, pursuing and finding the ultimate 20 year old cover model, wandering the streets at night, negotiating the lowest ultimate price, or getting on a dating app. I speak little or no Spanish. Any suggestions for a similar experience? I've heard mention of Mansion?

[ABizzle]

How do you get by getting bareback services in centro? Do they feel unsafe / offended if you mention it and what percentage do you guys reckon would accept it for a 30 k tip, I plan on taking PrEp with me so inb4 don't do bare, thanks.

[GeneHickman]

Of course the guy would want to fuck her, and of course she would want to let him (see Clinton, Bill) and of course the wife would be upset. But only in America could she then sue them and not be called a working girl, but a victim. (and I kinda like her).

That is why I say sex is being used as a weapon in the US. It's as much within many marriages as outside. It's a definite tool in the gender wars.

[Osteoknot]

Maybe some of the sugar daddies amongst us can weigh in on this. If a guy is sending a Chica every month or week, or whatever it is, what happens if a girl has more than one sugar daddy, and two or more of the sugar daddies are in town at the same time. I would think a "smart" sugar daddy would have an arrangement, at least I would, that when daddy is in town, the girl is only with daddy, not with other daddies.

But maybe I'm missing something here?

A Smart Sugar Daddy assumes he is one of several, doesn't care, as long as the pussy is at his beck and call, and on demand when he wants it. The amount he spends is inconsequential or the proverbial drop in the bucket. He doesn't think he is love. He is paying because for whatever reason, that particular piece of poontang scratches an itch he's got, and he doesn't want or need to shop around.

The Sugar Daddy who has it bad, is delusional, believes he is the only one, and the worst part of all, is spending money he can't afford, and believes the relationship is based on love. I knew a blue-collar Gringo who was sending half his take home to a girl who probably could barely stand his touch.

I can hear guys saying, a Smart Sugar Daddy is an oxymoron because no one with any real brains would be in that position to begin with. That's why I stressed the point that the money is not even a blip on his radar and he doesn't care what other people think.

I know this chica in Bogota who universally gets compliments as the most beautiful girl I have fucked in Colombia. Posting a picture of her is kind of a moot point because by the time I blur her face out, the nuances of her amazing beauty will be lost, but I will put a few screenshots and you will have to let your imagination do the rest. She speaks English, is in college, and knows how to behave perfectly in public. She has been groomed by the same sixty-something year old Gringo who paid her mom for her virginity when when she was fifteen. Now she is 23, in college, nice apartment, he pays her tuition and expenses. She told me the whole story on a long weekend we spent together in Bogota. She fucked me for some extra cash that she did not want to ask her Sugar Daddy for. And for the first time in their eight year relationship, she told me he was getting "a little rough" whatever the fuck that means, so she was shopping around for a new Sugar Daddy. Not my forte but a great short term fuck. He lives in Miami and flies in one three-day weekend per month. So there's one example.

[Elvis 2008]

Best quote I can cite about our hobby is "Men do not pay women for sex, but to see them disappearing after sex".

Besides regular P4P activities, I am one who did spend money to have a girl pretending to be my girlfriend, then I started wondering "what am I doing here?" and I evolved, starting to offer money to 2 girls, to pretend they are my 2 girlfriends and we are a happy trio. All this only in Batam, Indonesia, because there local girls really can make you feel they are girlfriends with benefits, and never in Colombia, because in Colombia girls are very clear it's a business arrangement.

With all this, everytime I finish the deed I start wondering "who is this girl sleeping here? Who's next?" and I go back to the Wise Statement above.

Nothing personal, BP. I could have quoted five posts with the same sentiment. Thing is I have posted more about this subject than anyone. I have posted about my successes more than anyone on seeking.com, SA, and others have followed in my footsteps.

So let me repeat my story. I have been at this a long time, and seeing hookers got old. I would enjoy someone's company and I hated the clock running. I get the comment about paying not for sex but for women to leave, but in my cases with the best working girls, I wanted the dates to be longer and did not want to be paying hourly rates that were really rates for sex.

Back in 2009, the Great Recession hit, and I explored the SB concept and have stayed with it since then. Desirable women were without work and money, and several hotties were not gung ho to do prostitution but they were willing to do a form of P4 P if it could be kept quiet and the women did not feel like sluts, I. E. They really liked the guy. What a SD does for a woman is money and something else. For a SB it is sex and something else. That is it. People always want to say at its core SD SB relationships are P4P and for some that is true. For others and with me, it is not.

In the USA a few years ago, new prostitution laws were passed and seeking.com/ SA had to change its appearance. They kicked off anyone who requested pay per meet (but just in the USA). In Colombia, I would get offers all the time from women who did not want to be kicked off.

When I have a real SB, I do not want them to leave. I enjoy their company, and they enjoy mine. I lectured women all the time on the site if you are interested in my money and not me, I am not interested in you. Most would actually respond to that positively.

As for the rules, anything goes. There is no rule about exclusivity, or time, or condoms or anything. You do whatever the fuck you two agree to.

So you are hanging with women who are working girls, and you treat them like they are. There is nothing wrong with that, and you may get some very skilled women, but I have not met many working girls who are quality people who I want to hang out with very long.

And while you are banging working girls, I was banging models, lawyers, doctors, engineers ETC. If a girl really likes me, guess what? She does not want to take money from me. I flew in a Colombian lawyer from Villavicencio and gave her $300 for 3 days company and she tried to give it back to me. She later told me she loved me. I insisted she take the money and calmed her down and told her it was infatuation not love. Did that ever happen with some centro chica to anyone here? Offer to give back $300?

A good SB SD relationship is harder to find than a good john working girl relationship but the sex is better, the companionship is better, and it is a richer and often cheaper experience. At the end of the day, fucking working girls gets pretty old. It is like fast food, satisfies a craving and little more. Why would you want to pay a quality woman, a quality companion, to leave? Some if not most of my best times with my SBs have been outside of the bedroom. I like to think quality women have some value besides their three orifices.

So you all can go on your rampages, rail against sugar daddies all you want, but the concept is not a threat to the women you are seeing ("Hey daddy, buy me a Iphone" does not mean you have a SB, just a greedy working girl), and it is going to continue whether you like it or not. Yes, guys having higher quality companionship, fucking better looking women, having better sex for often less money is going to win out in the end. Surprise!

[BlackThought]

330 k + tip so about $100 usd.

That's not bad at all to smash a 10.

[BlackThought]

First time in Medellin. Just visited Loutron and holy shit. It's expensive but definitely a must visit at least once. The way they have the line up of girls come out and present themselves is something out of a fucking movie. Every girl either a 8, 9, or 10. It's about double the cost of a standard lay in Poblado and not exactly GFE, but I can finally say I fucked a solid 10. I really don't think it can get much better.

If the girls provided full GFE, I would not look twice at the price. This is my type of mongering. No BS. No wasting time searching for a decent looking girl, or waiting for a girl who shows up 2 hours late. Just solid 10's quite literally fucking spoon fed to you. Wow.

What were the rates?

[Mr Enternational]

If we're being honest, most of us have walked that road at some point in our life. Whether it was throwing gifts and attention at the highschool sweetheart, or making it rain at the strip club.

That is something that I can say I have never been a party to. I have always been a player and my last year in high school I was a DJ at the strip club. So while dudes were tipping the chicks, the chicks had to tip me.