Crime, Safety, and the Police

[Phordphan]

I always wonder about this. I'm planning my first Tijuana trip shortky and I can't find any clear understanding of how dangerous it is. I can't tell if it's safe to hardened thugs here or if its dangerous to scared punks knowing thatit's most likely someonewhere in the middle. I know I have to see for myself to have a real understanding but still, I can't help but wonder in advance.

Tijuana has some extremely dangerous neighborhoods, but you'd have to go looking for them to find them. A staggering percentage of the violence in Tijuana is drug-related. If you go looking for trouble in Tijuana you most certainly will find it. If you go looking to score drugs you're asking for trouble. If you go looking to cheat or rip off a dealer you will find yourself in a world of shit.

As you will be going to the Zona Norte, there are a few things to keep in mind. It is an extremely bad neighborhood, but the DMZ, as it were, is the area where the clubs are. Do NOT get drunk and wander off. You don't want to wander west of Ninos Heroes, or north of Coahuila (up to Chicago Club is OK). There are lots of drugs, and dealers, in the Zona Norte, and you don't want any part of them. Stay reasonably sober, maintain situational awareness when transiting between clubs, and take a taxi at night and you'll be fine for your first trip.

[Azfriole]

I always wonder about this. I'm planning my first Tijuana trip shortky and I can't find any clear understanding of how dangerous it is. I can't tell if it's safe to hardened thugs here or if its dangerous to scared punks knowing thatit's most likely someonewhere in the middle. I know I have to see for myself to have a real understanding but still, I can't help but wonder in advance.

I've felt more uneasy about my surroundings waiting for the blue line downtown SD than I ever have in Tijuana. I stay in the zone and the tourist areas thou so that helps.

[Jackie888]

I always wonder about this. I'm planning my first Tijuana trip shortky and I can't find any clear understanding of how dangerous it is. I can't tell if it's safe to hardened thugs here or if its dangerous to scared punks knowing thatit's most likely someonewhere in the middle. I know I have to see for myself to have a real understanding but still, I can't help but wonder in advance.

No thugs. No punks. No tough guys. So a lot of mongers have a warm and fuzzy feeling of safety. And there is a weird sense of comradery among mongers, and we are all in a good mood since we all just got laid. I have never seen a fight between mongers in any club in the last 10+ years.

But underneath it all, there are the cartels. The cartel have recently as a month ago declared war on the police and shut the city down. Thousands of national guards / military / special forces were brought in to ensure peace. Also the police are corrupted as hell. You could get mugged by the police, except we call it a shakedown here.

Here is the link to the 2022 murder per capita -.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

[ClosetPervert9]

Intertesting how harsh people are on Tijuana.

In LA the areas around the 110 and 105 fwy and allong the 105 towards the 710 fwy are far worse than anything Tijuana has to offer.

SF had rougher areas I would avoid when I lived there 20 years ago.

It has been over 25 years since I lived in SD but it had rough areas too. I think TJ is rougher than SD was but SF and LA definately have TJ beat in terms of dangerous areas.

I always wonder about this. I'm planning my first Tijuana trip shortky and I can't find any clear understanding of how dangerous it is. I can't tell if it's safe to hardened thugs here or if its dangerous to scared punks knowing thatit's most likely someonewhere in the middle. I know I have to see for myself to have a real understanding but still, I can't help but wonder in advance.

[Captain Solo]

Will help you chug down at least 4 bottles of Don Julio 70 while having a meaningful conversation how we are really not addicts.

[Hadez]

My comment was about functional addicts in general to another poster. I know something about them because I have known many functional addicts in my life with different addictions. Illegal drugs, legal drugs, sex and gambling. I still do not understand how someone can get addicted to gambling at the dog track but that house was mortgaged to the max and all that savings was drained man.

If you took some kind of emotional response to this that is between you and the mirror.

In terms of talking nothing is off limits for me. If someone wants to have a drink (specially toquilla my favorite!) and discuss anything I am game. In the Zona my needs come first but when resting between locas I am down for a good convo. I mean I can spend every minute of every hour looking at hot latinas but good convo in Azul or something can be fun too.

I've been drunk, off and on, since 1969. I own a modest home in San Diego, and I own it free and clear. And I have no other debts. In fact, I just wrote a check, payment in full, for TWO NEW Subarus.

I can function this way because I'm not drunk all the time. I've held down most of my jobs with no problem, although since 1972, I've been fired twice for alcohol-related issues. I've managed to earn a good living because, as soon as I wake up, I postpone my next binge until I finish the day's work. (Software developer.).

I'm admitting to all this because I hate to see people making hurtful generalizations, be they about drunks, addicts, or sex workers. Whatever you think about us, you are right about some of us. And wrong about others.

And if you'd like to have a serious discussion about the issue, let's meet up in la zona, and let me buy us a bottle of tequila.

[SeaBeeJoe]

I've been drunk, off and on, since 1969. I own a modest home in San Diego, and I own it free and clear. And I have no other debts. In fact, I just wrote a check, payment in full, for TWO NEW Subarus.

I can function this way because I'm not drunk all the time. I've held down most of my jobs with no problem, although since 1972, I've been fired twice for alcohol-related issues. I've managed to earn a good living because, as soon as I wake up, I postpone my next binge until I finish the day's work. (Software developer.).

I'm admitting to all this because I hate to see people making hurtful generalizations, be they about drunks, addicts, or sex workers. Whatever you think about us, you are right about some of us. And wrong about others.

And if you'd like to have a serious discussion about the issue, let's meet up in la zona, and let me buy us a bottle of tequila.

Invite me too so I can help you both drink the tequila and keep you from getting too drunk. Remember I care a lot.

[WombatEd2]

The concept of a functional addict is someone who pays the things they need in order to maintain their revenue in order to keep feeding their addiction.

These people tend to have jobs and cars. They may even own a house. They have probably max refinanced their house to get cash to feed their addiction and probably on the verge of losing it. They probably have debt they struggle with. They probably keep withdrawing from retirement in order to pay for adiction. They are on a path to skid row or death but somehow manage to keep their revenue. Imo the big difference is the functional addict has learned how to play enough social games to not lose their job.

I've been drunk, off and on, since 1969. I own a modest home in San Diego, and I own it free and clear. And I have no other debts. In fact, I just wrote a check, payment in full, for TWO NEW Subarus.

I can function this way because I'm not drunk all the time. I've held down most of my jobs with no problem, although since 1972, I've been fired twice for alcohol-related issues. I've managed to earn a good living because, as soon as I wake up, I postpone my next binge until I finish the day's work. (Software developer.).

I'm admitting to all this because I hate to see people making hurtful generalizations, be they about drunks, addicts, or sex workers. Whatever you think about us, you are right about some of us. And wrong about others.

And if you'd like to have a serious discussion about the issue, let's meet up in la zona, and let me buy us a bottle of tequila.

[Hargow20]

I agree, but one should alway keep your guard up ine Zona & Mexico. One never knows when the bandito's may strike.

I don't think you understood the point I was trying to make. The Zona is actually far less dangerous compared to how it was before, they added more street lights and more police in the area. Even before I would walk all the way down to La Tropa and not be worried. In general I think of the Zona only being as dangerous as you want it to be, if you go walking to dark areas or in back streets your chances of getting in trouble are worse. For me I just keep it simple and walk to the bigger bars even drunk sometimes with no worries. I just don't want to have to start to be concerned about some junkie attacking me for no reason like you see happening in some parts of the US.

[MongerHunger]

The zona turn into a dangerous place? Nooo not the zona. Life is cheap in mexico, and many liberal USA cities. Basically it comes down to what a community finds acceptable. I've seen a lot stuff in the alley a lot fights, a lot dangerous situations, been attacked. Remember nobody goes to jail in Mexico when murders happen unless your a murdering.

Gringo. Like almost literally nobody else does.

Tell them the story about when you were attacked by the midgets and well dressed ladies. How many people were there? 8 or 9?

[Sol12]

The zona turn into a dangerous place? Nooo not the zona. Life is cheap in mexico, and many liberal USA cities. Basically it comes down to what a community finds acceptable. I've seen a lot stuff in the alley a lot fights, a lot dangerous situations, been attacked. Remember nobody goes to jail in Mexico when murders happen unless your a murdering.

Gringo. Like almost literally nobody else does.

I don't think you understood the point I was trying to make. The Zona is actually far less dangerous compared to how it was before, they added more street lights and more police in the area. Even before I would walk all the way down to La Tropa and not be worried. In general I think of the Zona only being as dangerous as you want it to be, if you go walking to dark areas or in back streets your chances of getting in trouble are worse. For me I just keep it simple and walk to the bigger bars even drunk sometimes with no worries. I just don't want to have to start to be concerned about some junkie attacking me for no reason like you see happening in some parts of the US.

[Hadez]

The colonial laws were good for europeans. They were worse then todays envirnment for natives, asians and africans. That is fact and my opinion is these times were also bad for the poor erupopeans as well. Lot of them were in the americas because they were press ganged into military service and had little more protection then the locals.

The main difference the last couple decades is everything is being reported. Information transparency is at an all time high for the human race. Back in those days the powerful changed the narrative when they wanted. The ruthless did not even bother trying to change the narrative.

Not sure the scope but another problem is people see something reported once and assume it is common with little or no effort put into determining how often this happens at that location. I get it. Takes time and effort and we all busy.

Monitor PUNTONORTE for latest news, mostly gruesome kidnap, torture, murder, including many female victims recently:

https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/fot...%ADapuntonorte

Mexico and Latin countries have descended down into the beastly hellhole due to the legacy of Spanish colonial rule in the last 700 years that let government abuse, exploit, oppress and rob the population ruthlessly to enrich the ruling class. Drug cartels are de facto alternative governments, but now poisoning and exploiting the population even worse with gang violence and cheap drugs.

The British colonialists OTOH had far more fair, equitable and tolerant rules over their colonies, respecting life, properties, liberty, dignity of their subjects; their colonies flourished, prosperous, safe, stable, secured.

[Dogers69]

So the other night when I was walking out of AB and to HK I noticed some bar workers running down the street past La Gloria Bar. They were obviously chasing someone but didn't see police involved so I just thought it was something minor. As I went to enter at the Chavelas door I noticed people tending to a street lady, you know the one that sells gum against the wall and she had blood all over her shirt and looked like she was stabbed. I mean of all the people to harm some poor old lady that just tries to live selling gum. There are some of the things I despise about the Zona and why I can only handle it for 1 night. The following day I noticed an article in some web site talking about how Fentynol, I'm sure I spelled it wrong, is now being found more and more in the Zona and causing overdose deaths to be going up in the area. So hopefully the zone doesn't get to be like LA or NYC with drugged out zombies going around attacking people with no notice.

The zona turn into a dangerous place? Nooo not the zona. Life is cheap in mexico, and many liberal USA cities. Basically it comes down to what a community finds acceptable. I've seen a lot stuff in the alley a lot fights, a lot dangerous situations, been attacked. Remember nobody goes to jail in Mexico when murders happen unless your a murdering.

Gringo. Like almost literally nobody else does.

[Captain Solo]

Monitor PUNTONORTE for latest news, mostly gruesome kidnap, torture, murder, including many female victims recently:

https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/fot...%ADapuntonorte

Mexico and Latin countries have descended down into the beastly hellhole due to the legacy of Spanish colonial rule in the last 700 years that let government abuse, exploit, oppress and rob the population ruthlessly to enrich the ruling class. Drug cartels are de facto alternative governments, but now poisoning and exploiting the population even worse with gang violence and cheap drugs.

The British colonialists OTOH had far more fair, equitable and tolerant rules over their colonies, respecting life, properties, liberty, dignity of their subjects; their colonies flourished, prosperous, safe, stable, secured.

[Hadez]

Intertesting how harsh people are on Tijuana.

In LA the areas around the 110 and 105 fwy and allong the 105 towards the 710 fwy are far worse than anything Tijuana has to offer.

SF had rougher areas I would avoid when I lived there 20 years ago.

It has been over 25 years since I lived in SD but it had rough areas too. I think TJ is rougher than SD was but SF and LA definately have TJ beat in terms of dangerous areas.

So the other night when I was walking out of AB and to HK I noticed some bar workers running down the street past La Gloria Bar. They were obviously chasing someone but didn't see police involved so I just thought it was something minor. As I went to enter at the Chavelas door I noticed people tending to a street lady, you know the one that sells gum against the wall and she had blood all over her shirt and looked like she was stabbed. I mean of all the people to harm some poor old lady that just tries to live selling gum. There are some of the things I despise about the Zona and why I can only handle it for 1 night. The following day I noticed an article in some web site talking about how Fentynol, I'm sure I spelled it wrong, is now being found more and more in the Zona and causing overdose deaths to be going up in the area. So hopefully the zone doesn't get to be like LA or NYC with drugged out zombies going around attacking people with no notice.