Stupid shit in Medellin

[JjBee62]

For most of the 20th century, International Harvester was a major manufacturer of trucks and farm equipment. Now the only remnant are Navistar International trucks.

They formerly built trucks in Fort Wayne, Indiana. In their old factory there used to be a swinger's club. I don't know if it's still there, it's been 16 years since my last visit there, which was for a Halloween party.

Halloween is the best time to go to a swinger's club. You get a lot of people who don't normally swing, but want to really **** it up for Halloween. Add in alcohol and I think the term is "off the hook."

Back to International Harvester. One of the pieces of farm equipment they built was a device for spreading organic fertilizer, manure, cow shit. Because of that bit of trivia, International trucks have the nickname "13 letter shit spreader."

ATFQ and RTFQ:

In the Navy nuke program we often wrote these acronyms on the student's tests (Yes, I did a tour as an instructor). Occasionally, the student would write the correct answer, but for the wrong question. That would earn them a RTFQ, read the fucking question.

More common were the students who had no clue what the correct answer was. Our tests required detailed answers, often with some rather intense formulas and math. Rather than leave a question blank, they would try the "baffle them with bullshit" approach. You write small, sloppy and ramble on all around the answer, but never get to the answer. That's when ATFQ came into play.

Here's the useful part of this post. If someone asks a question, answer the question. If you don't know the answer, don't answer. Don't spread 400 words of bullshit that have nothing to do with the question, just let someone who knows answer handle it.

And if you don't like the answers you get, register a complaint with the real world.

[JjBee62]

Looks like you skipped the part when I said fly under the radar. In other words, be a regular joe in the crowd. Cuba Dave was all over youtube telling people to come fuck these hookers over here and give them this much money. He wasn't just some random traveler that was told to unlock his electronics. And even after they told him to cut that shit out he kept doing it. Nobody did it to him, he did it to himself. Looks like he learned a lesson though.

Nope, I didn't skip it. It's just another irrelevancy you tossed in.

I'm all for discretion and I've said so in several scenarios. Just one example, when some hooker starts demanding more than you feel she deserves. My advice has always been to deescalate the situation, rather than blowing it up and getting the police involved. While the police might take your side, they might not and in most cases the potential savings are less than the potential risks. That doesn't mean you give any amount she asks for. It means you keep things friendly and cut your losses.

As for Cuba Dave, he was the first person charged under the law, which he didn't violate. Sure he was an obvious target, but what does it take to get targeted? I've heard about a guy on ISG who had his Global Entry revoked for no apparent reason, even though he keeps a low profile. That sounds suspiciously like someone got singled even though he's "a regular Joe in the crowd."

I'm still waiting for you to ATFQ (which is nuke for answer the fucking question). Are you recommending people comply with the police, for a lawful request, or not?

[JjBee62]

You seem to be immune to understanding what I actually wrote. As for your literal clown story you just wrote, I seriously have no words. Its laughable at best, but is actually sad in reality. Again, stop watching netflix.

Let's see if I understand.

1. A couple of people posted they recently witnessed people being pulled aside at the airport for extra inspection. Someone speculated it was for trafficking or porn.

2. You asked what they could do if you refused to unlock your phone.

3. Several people replied you could be detained.

4. You replied they couldn't detain you and that the Embassy was there to help you.

Does that capture the basic essence? Is there anything I missed? If not, it would appear the failure to understand doesn't lie with me.

You keep saying that those things never happen, but even MrE said it's happened to him. What part of that did you fail to understand? MrE did us the favor of bringing up both Cuba Dave and the guy whose name we're not allowed to mention. In both cases they were detained without trial. A quick search will confirm the details I've already posted.

You seem to believe the US Embassy is there for your benefit, and you throw a tantrum when anyone suggests otherwise. Did you throw as big of a fit when you learned Santa Claus wasn't real? Or did I just cause a meltdown for mentioning it?

The US Embassy anywhere in the world doesn't give a fuck about you. If you lose your passport they will help you get home. If you want to marry a hooker and bring her to the US, they'll help you.

However, if you get tossed in jail because you're too stupid to realize you're no longer in the US, you're shit out of luck. I don't even understand how you are planning to call the Embassy when some cop is holding your phone and asking you to unlock it. Even if you could, do you honestly believe someone is going to rush to the Bogota airport, jump on a plane to Medellin and tell them that you're exempt from being searched?

The only time the State Department is getting involved is if there's a big enough outcry in the US to create a public relations problem. Even if they do get involved your release could take months. Remember the retired Marine with PTSD who spent 8 months in a Mexican prison on gun charges?

If misconceptions and ignorance mated you would be the offspring.

[Mr Enternational]

Thanks for bringing up Cuba Dave, who I believe is currently living quietly in Medellin. I'm just going off of memory here, but wasn't he repeatedly searched, including searches of his computer? Well before the Costa Rica incident, back in his Sosua days, weren't they looking everywhere trying to find something to nail him on?

Looks like you skipped the part when I said fly under the radar. In other words, be a regular joe in the crowd. Cuba Dave was all over youtube telling people to come fuck these hookers over here and give them this much money. He wasn't just some random traveler that was told to unlock his electronics. And even after they told him to cut that shit out he kept doing it. Nobody did it to him, he did it to himself. Looks like he learned a lesson though.

[Manizales911]

Yeah dude, I don't get what's up with these people, they come up with the most ridiculous worst scenarios for something that doesn't even happen. Not everything is Midnight Express.

I have had my phone AND Ipad searched on more than one occasion, so yeah it does happen. On one occasion they spent over two hours going through my FB messages, photos etc. If you refuse to unlock your electronics they will confiscate them. The USA Authorities told me they would keep them for 90 days and Canadian assholes told me the same. So who only knows what the Colombian authorities would do. Just delete your FB, Messenger and Whatsapp apps, move your photos to a cloud service and delete that app and if they ask to unlock your phone, do it. If you have nothing to hide you will be fine. Leave your vacation photos etc. On your phone but no photos of girls or drugs etc. The first time I had photos of my daughter on the phone and she was only 8 and I was 60 at the time and that set off a shitstorm for a few minutes, fortunately I also keep a photo of her birth certificate on my phone proving that she is my daughter. Better to be prepared and have nothing happen than to be unprepared and be the one to have it happen to you.

[VasyaPetya]

Of course you could remember you are a guest in their country. You could try being polite, friendly and cooperative even if you don't like what is being asked of you. Do that. And you'll likely have a very good experience here just leave the attitude at the US departure gate.

What are you even talking about? Never did I say I wouldn't be polite. Get a grip guy.

[VasyaPetya]

Anything is possible, but is it at all probable? You guys act like the man is going to walk through immigration cussing people out and making demands. And who even is this person that is supposed to be asking him to unlock his phone? Everytime I pass through, it is just simple security saying to put things on the belt and do you have anything in your pockets.

The time I was taken to the back it had nothing to do with that. I was actually in the front of the airport just hanging around waiting to check in or something and the guy came up to me and told me to come to the back room for a random search. You guys are acting like someone telling a passenger to unlock their phone is an everyday occurrence when it is not. Next up: what to do and not do when you get a snake bite in Botero Park.

Yeah dude, I don't get what's up with these people, they come up with the most ridiculous worst scenarios for something that doesn't even happen. Not everything is Midnight Express.

[VasyaPetya]

I believe the term, in English is "failure to comply with a lawful search. " This appears to be news to you, but Colombia is not part of the United States. The rights you have in Colombia are not the same as in the United States. The Federal police in Colombia don't run and hide whenever some gringo threatens to call the US Embassy.

This is information you really need to get into your thick skull before you go to Colombia, because the learning curve if you decide to play the "I don't have to listen to you because I'm an American" card, is really steep.

I doubt if the police are going to ask you to unlock your phone, whether in the airport or Parque Lleras. However, it's a possibility. If it's a possibility, then you should be aware of your lack of any right to refuse. Several of us have tried to make you aware, but apparently you're immune to knowledge.

Now, what can they detain you for? Suspicion of human trafficking, suspicious of trafficking with children, suspicion of possession of child pornography, suspicion of drug smuggling. And guess how the US Embassy is going to react? Are they going to rush to the aid of a suspected trafficker and pedophile? When the police produce evidence, are they going to believe your story over the police, especially when the Embassy is the US agency conveying to Colombia that they want them to help find all of the above.

As I've said already, if you get pulled aside for a search, before you start in with your temper tantrum, get someone to video it. I'll do my part to make it go viral, which might generate enough income for your next of kin to get your body returned home after your fun-filled trip through the Colombian legal system.

You seem to be immune to understanding what I actually wrote. As for your literal clown story you just wrote, I seriously have no words. Its laughable at best, but is actually sad in reality. Again, stop watching netflix.

[JjBee62]

Dude there are hookers everywhere on earth. There is no need for any of us to even leave our hometowns to get hookers. Nobody is cracking down on prostitution, they are just cracking down on the outright advertisement of it.

How do you make an example of someone by not announcing the example? An example would be Cuba Dave, David 33, the Aussie board member that I met in Philippines who is now in a Philippine prison, or the guy that used to be in this thread that killed himself.

If you are flying under the radar, and not doing anything illegal then there are no examples to be made. If you are yelling from the top of the mountain telling people to check out all the hookers over here, messing with chicks that are not of age, trying to make money off of hookers then you are setting your own self up to be made an example of.

Thanks for bringing up Cuba Dave, who I believe is currently living quietly in Medellin. I'm just going off of memory here, but wasn't he repeatedly searched, including searches of his computer? Well before the Costa Rica incident, back in his Sosua days, weren't they looking everywhere trying to find something to nail him on?

If so, it would seem to establish that someone having their phone searched can happen.

His case also clarifies what everyone else has been saying. They don't need to prove anything to detain you indefinitely. He was acquitted on appeal, which boils down to the court admitting he didn't break the law he was convicted of breaking.

Again, thank you for mentioning him because he's a perfect example of what you insist nobody has to worry about.

He was held for over a year in prison before his trial. He wasn't informed of his trial until the day before his trial. After his conviction was overturned he was held in prison for almost 3 more months while the government tried to overturn the appellate court decision. Nearly 2 years for doing nothing wrong.

Oops. I forgot that reality isn't allowed. Go right ahead with that "tell the cops you're untouchable" mentality.

[JjBee62]

Anything is possible, but is it at all probable? You guys act like the man is going to walk through immigration cussing people out and making demands. And who even is this person that is supposed to be asking him to unlock his phone? Everytime I pass through, it is just simple security saying to put things on the belt and do you have anything in your pockets.

The time I was taken to the back it had nothing to do with that. I was actually in the front of the airport just hanging around waiting to check in or something and the guy came up to me and told me to come to the back room for a random search. You guys are acting like someone telling a passenger to unlock their phone is an everyday occurrence when it is not. Next up: what to do and not do when you get a snake bite in Botero Park.

I believe I've said twice now that I consider the occurrence unlikely, so I'm not sure where you're getting that I'm acting like it's an everyday occurrence. As for his attitude with security, did you fail to read his "they can't do that to me" messages, or did you just skip them?

As for the probability of getting pulled aside for an additional search, gee Wally, I don't know. It doesn't matter where the extra search occurs, does it? Are we going to declare that nothing is considered an additional search unless it occurs within 4 meters of an airport security checkpoint? While we're at it let's declare no search is a search unless it happens on Tuesday between noon and 2 pm.

Why don't we keep this in the real world instead of your fantasy land where nothing that hasn't happened to you has ever happened. For example, in your fantasy land nobody has ever been robbed in Santa Fe or El Centro because you've never been robbed there. You've posted that sentiment dozens of times.

In the real world people get pulled aside and searched all the time. You've admitted it's happened to you, it's happened to me and several others have reported it has happened to them. It doesn't matter whether it happens in the airport or in front of the airport, or in Parque Lleras, or in a taxi somewhere on the road.

Has that part penetrated yet? Are you ready to accept that people get searched? If not, there's no point in anyone posting anything, because all activities are limited to your fantasy land.

Searches by people, who have the legal authority to conduct searches, of people who may or may not have committed any crime, happen. I just want to make sure that's clear, because you seem unable to accept it, even after admitting it has happened to you.

Do you have the legal right to refuse the search? That's the question. That's the only question. The probability of the search is irrelevant. Whether they are searching the contents of your luggage, your electronic devices or your colon is irrelevant. Again, I'm trying to be clear because for some reason you insist on saying that something, which has happened to you, will never happen.

My opinion, as I've stated several times, is that complying with the search is in your best interest. Refusing the search, claiming your Embassy will rescue you, or arguing with whoever is trying to perform the search is unlikely to yield the best results.

So, it boils down to a very simple question: Do you recommend people comply with legal requests from law enforcement, or do you recommend people refuse to comply.

As for snake bites in Plaza Botero, perhaps Paulie can explain logical fallacies to you.

Millions of people are bitten by venomous snakes every year, and about 100 k die. Are you trying to say, since it's unlikely to find a venomous snake in Plaza Botero, nobody anywhere in the world needs to worry about snakes? Are you suggesting that snake venom somehow works differently in Plaza Botero? I'm kind of lost here.

Oh. You're suggesting that since you've never been bitten by a snake in Plaza Botero, nobody in Colombia will ever be searched. Got it. I'm glad that's cleared up.

[Mr Enternational]

Mr E,

You said if you didn't do anything wrong, than don't worry. If that's true, why did they take your global entry card away. Maybe they already have you pegged as a sex tourist. You travel everywhere.

Colombia and now Thailand are saying they want to Crack down on prostitution. What if they want to make a example of someone. They swipe your passport and see that you've been to every know hooker destination in the world. Look at the overreacting on the terrorism laws after 911. They trampled on everyone's rights. They could do the same with banging legal age hookers in the 3rd world.

Dude there are hookers everywhere on earth. There is no need for any of us to even leave our hometowns to get hookers. Nobody is cracking down on prostitution, they are just cracking down on the outright advertisement of it.

How do you make an example of someone by not announcing the example? An example would be Cuba Dave, David 33, the Aussie board member that I met in Philippines who is now in a Philippine prison, or the guy that used to be in this thread that killed himself.

If you are flying under the radar, and not doing anything illegal then there are no examples to be made. If you are yelling from the top of the mountain telling people to check out all the hookers over here, messing with chicks that are not of age, trying to make money off of hookers then you are setting your own self up to be made an example of.

[JjBee62]

Pending investigation into what? A guy not unlocking his cellphone? Stop watching netflix buddy.

I believe the term, in English is "failure to comply with a lawful search. " This appears to be news to you, but Colombia is not part of the United States. The rights you have in Colombia are not the same as in the United States. The Federal police in Colombia don't run and hide whenever some gringo threatens to call the US Embassy.

This is information you really need to get into your thick skull before you go to Colombia, because the learning curve if you decide to play the "I don't have to listen to you because I'm an American" card, is really steep.

I doubt if the police are going to ask you to unlock your phone, whether in the airport or Parque Lleras. However, it's a possibility. If it's a possibility, then you should be aware of your lack of any right to refuse. Several of us have tried to make you aware, but apparently you're immune to knowledge.

Now, what can they detain you for? Suspicion of human trafficking, suspicious of trafficking with children, suspicion of possession of child pornography, suspicion of drug smuggling. And guess how the US Embassy is going to react? Are they going to rush to the aid of a suspected trafficker and pedophile? When the police produce evidence, are they going to believe your story over the police, especially when the Embassy is the US agency conveying to Colombia that they want them to help find all of the above.

As I've said already, if you get pulled aside for a search, before you start in with your temper tantrum, get someone to video it. I'll do my part to make it go viral, which might generate enough income for your next of kin to get your body returned home after your fun-filled trip through the Colombian legal system.

[Villainy]

Pending investigation into what? A guy not unlocking his cellphone? Stop watching netflix buddy.

A number of people have tried to give you very good advice but you seem intent on going your own way. Great! You seem to think the country works just like on 'Law and Order'. You think that you can demand that you call the embassy. Good luck with that. You'll get your free call to the embassy whenever the f* they feel like giving it to you. You aren't entitled to a speedy arraignment, they can hold you for no reason other than you were an a**hole, for as long as they like. Maybe after you mouth off to some police officer or immigration officer about how you're an American and you get the "you're not that welcome here" experience you can come back and tell us how it went and how they treated you in the Colombian jail.

Of course you could remember you are a guest in their country. You could try being polite, friendly and cooperative even if you don't like what is being asked of you. Do that. And you'll likely have a very good experience here just leave the attitude at the US departure gate.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Yeah, thing is if you are just BBFS then everything is fine. But what if you are getting up the ass and shooting up? Then you could come around and say your doctor did not warn you about BBFS. So maybe he prescribes the Truvada and says to documents that he recommend you use condoms and can say he "did something" which is what matters to a jury.

The irony in a courtroom is that Fauci's folly, that HIV is commonly transmitted heterosexually, is widely believed, and a doctor would have to adjust to that non-scientific belief. If you get HIV and deny drug use and homosexual activity, I know you are full of shit, but I bet a jury would not. From a liability stand point, the worst thing a doctor can tell a patient is "you can fuck BBFS all you want". It is not that fucking with condoms is safer but they are believed to be safer, and we have Lord Fauci and his fucking AIDS scare to thank for that.

Truvada is supposed to be taken everyday 365, but I do not.

A pharmacist explained how I can use it prn, but I take it for insurance, just in case the puta I'm sodomizing has a novio that is a junkie or one of the BMs here is.

Also drilling her and is HIV positive?

Like the Chinese virus vax I prefer to error on the side of caution, 4 x in 12 months LOL Faucis should put me in an AD campaign LOL.

That being said if you make it obligatory, you couldn't force me at gunpoint, you could take away my job and lock me up I still wouldn't take it.

The absolute worst mistake they can make is to try to have the mandates for it.

[BlackThought]

For more than 2 days the only posts here are from 1 person. I have no idea what they say, as you'll see from the screenshot, but it looks pretty desperate. Kinda like a child repeatedly screaming for attention.

He's spamming this thread, so that it pushes the post of Villainy calling him out on a gentlemen's bet to meet him in MDE to prove he's mongered in the places he's claimed (stamps on passport). He put $5 k usd and I matched it as well, guess what, he's too much of a coward to accept it (easy $10 k usd right? Just like how he dodged you when you told him to meet you in MDE to prove he can pull chicas for free LOL.

He's a fraud and I've received many PMs from mongers laughing about him and how he's on their ignore list.