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08-11-19 15:19 #45971
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by NattyBumpo [View Original Post]
We accept that Thai men don't want to use condoms. Culturally, they have less peer stigma against going BB than I get from my cultural peers here. LOL.
My success rate in getting BB when I merely ask for it with P4P girls is 70%. Even during the height of the HIV hysteria in the early 90's, my rate was about 20% when I did not know a word of Thai and knew very little of the general culture.
Yet my ego would have to be off the chart and my regard for Thai men's ability to get what they want from a Thai hooker would have to be below sea level for me to think an old farang like me is better at it with Thai hookers than they are.
And the girls I deal with are picky choosy and don't even need the money all that much on a given night. They probably make many times more on a bad week than Thai customer predominant hookers make in their best month. My girls are under far less pressure to say Yes.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say Thai guys are getting what they want, BB, at a much higher rate than I am without breaking a sweat. I'll say 95%+ at a minimum. Anyone want to argue that kind of rate would not make it "the norm" or "standard service" in the country, have at it.
I assure you I have not cracked the code for dealing with Thai girls, Thai hookers, to get what I want better than a typical Thai man.
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08-11-19 15:12 #45970
Posts: 5656Bare Backing Mongers
For many years now I have not been able to get it out of my head that mongers who bare back prostitutes already have some vile disease.
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08-11-19 14:06 #45969
Posts: 30401. Bareback is more common amongst the locals.
2, Bareback between farangs and prostitutes is more common in other SE Asian countries than it is in LOS.
3. The rest is anecdotal. My experience with, for lack of a better term, high class prostitutes (LOL) in BKK and Pattaya ie Go Go girls and Night Club FL's, without any pre negotiation or mention of it, is roughly 25% of my girls bareback on the 1st night. Out of those I choose who I want to ride bareback. I am not comfortable barebacking with all my girls for one reason or another even when it is available. Repeats are another story: with repeats my bareback percentage rises to about 75% of my girls by the 3rd night and I usually bareback all my willing repeat girls. Again, for prostitutes in other countries, like those in the PI, Indonesia, Cambodia, and Burma, my percentages are higher reaching almost 100% availability with my repeat girls.
Here is a funny story: I had been barebacking one of my regular Nana Go Go girls for a year or two. When I returned to BKK in April 2019, I got together with her again, but this time she insisted that I wear a condom. I asked why and she said she had a farang boyfriend now and only barebacked with him. I laughed and joked, "what about me? So now I am chopped liver just because you have a new boyfriend?" (chopped liver is an old joke from the 60's or 70's - I am sure she did not understand the Johnny Carson humor in it). But she thought about it for a second or two or three and then we barebacked. And everybody was happy.
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08-11-19 13:45 #45968
Posts: 2204Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
And you wrote 'Bareback sex has been the norm and accepted as "standard service" in the vast majority of Thai brothels, among freelancers, massage shops and every other P4 P option'. Apparently you meant freelancers, massage shops and every other P4 P option CATERING TO THAI MEN, but that was not clear.
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08-11-19 12:22 #45967
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by Mogwai [View Original Post]
I'll take it further than that. Bareback sex has been the norm and accepted as "standard service" in the vast majority of Thai brothels, among freelancers, massage shops and every other P4P option since forever, even during the briefly and only mildly enforced "100% Condom Use" push by the Thai government in the late 1980's and early 1990's.
How do I know that? Because Thai men are by far the most common customers for Thai hookers and by and large they aren't using condoms.
It is not nearly as giant a leap from what is "the norm" with regard to BB in most P4P options around the country to getting it in these tourist areas as well as some might think. Asking for it is one way. Going with the flow is another. Offering more money is another. Having a girl repeat over and over that she is willing to provide you with "Everything, up to you, except for this or that" is another.
I would say my rate of success in getting it with willing, above average P4P girls in bars, clubs or on the street is about 60-65% overall when I ask for it or when they offer it. Raise that to 70% plus when I include dating site girls who will at some point ask for help to pay this or that emergency expense. Freelancers in denial, let's say. Not as a requirement for going BB with them. I mean the request for financial help in some way just pops up in the same general vicinity as our having been together. 70% plus is still not "the norm" compared with what the rest of the country is up to. But I believe that makes it "typical fare" for me.
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08-11-19 11:53 #45966
Posts: 2204Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
You have lost me mate.
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08-11-19 10:39 #45965
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by Mogwai [View Original Post]
But among non IV drug using women who primarily had vaginal sex with straight men, the incidence of HIV acquisition was probably extremely rare even then. I doubt many Thai women in or out of the business ever met such a woman. That doesn't mean they don't hear and aren't compelled to believe some of the scary horror stories. We all love to hear and believe those things. But when they have never met such a woman and neither has anyone else in their circle met such a woman, it is hard to prevent a girl from agreeing to BB for a little extra cash in the deal.
Again, talking about the "fear of disease" aspect of it. Fear of getting pregnant and having to explain why the baby doesn't look anything like your live-in boyfriend, husband or sponsor is a different matter all together.
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08-11-19 10:25 #45964
Posts: 244Statistics
Originally Posted by Crocodilexp [View Original Post]Originally Posted by Mogwai [View Original Post]
One more thing about AIDS. Heterosexual men send their fluids and are not at high risk. But it is not 0%. Remarks about it are often dramatized or are playing down the risk too much. Just use statistics and take your pick. What side do you want to be on.
BBBJ is not without risk either. I had gonorrhea from a girl that actually put my dig too deep in her mouth, touching her throat while doing it. That can transmit the disease.
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08-11-19 10:14 #45963
Posts: 3497Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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08-11-19 10:03 #45962
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by Mogwai [View Original Post]
And, even though that turned out to be a short-lived promotion, many bars, brothels and girls were only too happy to turn lemons into lemonade and use that concept as an Up Selling tool to give themselves a raise. Bars and brothels could hire girls easier because, after all, they were now emboldened to sell only the "sizzle" and not "the steak. " They could promise the same as before but, "Oh, you wanted the actual meat on this plate? No can do. Work that out with your server."
And for the ladies, same deal. They could then say "no" to something most of their customers thought they had locked in at the going rate but were now having to offer more money to get it. I have no doubt that Up Selling tool is far more useful and effective with Farangs in the Farang Red Light Districts than it is with Thais in the Thai brothels all over the rest of the country.
For all I know, that was the plan with the Soi 4 girl I was reporting about here. But I didn't bite. I didn't offer any more money. I felt the same 1,500 baht I'd paid for each of the previous sessions was high enough to pay for that particular girl.
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08-11-19 09:18 #45961
Posts: 2204Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
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08-11-19 08:54 #45960
Posts: 2204Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
If it is the norm, as you state, then it should be easy for you to 'go with the flow'. But we all know you hardly ever do that. You want to know in advance if BBFS + CIP is on the menu. You make that clear in almost every other post (which to be honest is getting a bit annoying).
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08-11-19 08:12 #45959
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
I think even Syzygies' higher standard Soi 4 girl was only asking 1,200 baht from him and the customer before him he saw her chatting with. There was apparently no discussion between him and her on the street or in the room about BBFS+CIP. But I'm guessing another 500 baht would do it IF the girl was willing to go Bareback with any customers at all.
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08-11-19 07:56 #45958
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by Crocodilexp [View Original Post]
BBFS+CIP is absolutely the typical fare for me with the girls I take. And the only time I am not pestered for repeats on a daily basis is when I don't bother to ask for their Line ID or agree to give them mine the first time around.
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08-11-19 07:52 #45957
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by Crocodilexp [View Original Post]
I have never seen a Thai man buying a condom in a 7-11 or a drug store.