American Politics

[Chris P]

Everthing I said was factual. You can research it. You defending him will not change the facts. This is not about Obama so stop deflecting. FYI I am not a democrat. So that comment was useless. Also, it was stupid of him to make the Easter remarks contrary to the advise of medical experts. That's not even debatable. It was not smart on his part no matter how you want or try to twist it. Most of the major airlines stopped/suspended flights to China prior to Trump's annoucement. Even the state department told americans not to travel to China because of the outbreak prior to Trump.

You don't seem to understand what "factual" means. Saying things like "no leadership skills at all" and "he did not take this serious" is not factual, it is your opinion (and a wrong one at that). The relevant fact here is that Trump announced restrictions on entry from China way back in January, well ahead of the curve, in the face of the usual media / democrat opposition. The only other Western country to implement restrictions on China in January was Italy, which did so on the same day as Trump. Those are facts. Go research them.

[Confiable]

Sorry, that's just not true. Trump restricted immigration from China very early in the crisis, back when Italian mayors were encouraging people to hug the nearest chinaman. Of course the media and democrats accused him of "racism" as always, but it would be much worse if he hadn't blocked the migration.

As for his Easter comments, that is an aim not a concrete deadline. And why shouldn't we aim to get things going as fast as possible? Every week of this terrible lockdown costs hundreds of billions of dollars and sees millions of jobs and livelihoods lost. If Obama had said the exact same thing, people like you and CNN would call it "inspiring leadership". Ho hum.

Everthing I said was factual. You can research it. You defending him will not change the facts. This is not about Obama so stop deflecting. FYI I am not a democrat. So that comment was useless. Also, it was stupid of him to make the Easter remarks contrary to the advise of medical experts. That's not even debatable. It was not smart on his part no matter how you want or try to twist it. Most of the major airlines stopped/suspended flights to China prior to Trump's annoucement. Even the state department told americans not to travel to China because of the outbreak prior to Trump.

[Chris P]

As an American, you can have him. This guy minimize the threat of the virus just one day after the WHO declared it a pandemic. No leadership skills at all. From day one, he did not take this serious. Recently, Trump wants the nation opened up for Easter. He wants the churches pack with people. While new cases of coronavirus continues to rise and the death total as well. Yes, you can have him and his clown behavior.

Sorry, that's just not true. Trump restricted immigration from China very early in the crisis, back when Italian mayors were encouraging people to hug the nearest chinaman. Of course the media and democrats accused him of "racism" as always, but it would be much worse if he hadn't blocked the migration.

As for his Easter comments, that is an aim not a concrete deadline. And why shouldn't we aim to get things going as fast as possible? Every week of this terrible lockdown costs hundreds of billions of dollars and sees millions of jobs and livelihoods lost. If Obama had said the exact same thing, people like you and CNN would call it "inspiring leadership". Ho hum.

[Confiable]

The Chinese have been living with viral outbreaks for years. They've gotten used to it. We've all seen them everywhere wearing their masks. Two months ago, when masks were disappearing from retail shelves in America, I asked everywhere CVS, Lowe's, Home Depot, Ace Hardware 'what happened? They all said Chinese came in and bought them all and been calling on the phone non-stop asking for more. So now what we have is the new normal, a descent to the lowest common denominator, a Chinese standard of life. There's nothing any President or any leader in the Western leader could do about this. Prepare yourself for the new normal: this virus isn't going away, or it will be succeeded by a new one. At least now we know what your government thinks your life is worth: twelve-hundred dollars.

A capitalist society / government don't care about it's people like the USA. You are speaking to the choir. Also, american history has shown this. But also it's the fault of the government allowing so many companies to move overseas. Now you have a country that is more of a consumer than a producer. Capitalism at it's finest.

[Golfinho]

This guy minimize the threat of the virus just one day after the WHO declared it a pandemic. No leadership skills at all. From day one, he did not take this serious. While new cases of coronavirus continues to rise and the death total as well.

The Chinese have been living with viral outbreaks for years. They've gotten used to it. We've all seen them everywhere wearing their masks. Two months ago, when masks were disappearing from retail shelves in America, I asked everywhere CVS, Lowe's, Home Depot, Ace Hardware 'what happened? They all said Chinese came in and bought them all and been calling on the phone non-stop asking for more. So now what we have is the new normal, a descent to the lowest common denominator, a Chinese standard of life. There's nothing any President or any leader in the Western leader could do about this. Prepare yourself for the new normal: this virus isn't going away, or it will be succeeded by a new one. At least now we know what your government thinks your life is worth: twelve-hundred dollars.

[Confiable]

As an European I would be proud to have a leader as Trump! You may take the Merkel's, Wir schaffen das!, for free. How Democrats almost ruined your country!

As an American, you can have him. This guy minimize the threat of the virus just one day after the WHO declared it a pandemic. No leadership skills at all. From day one, he did not take this serious. Recently, Trump wants the nation opened up for Easter. He wants the churches pack with people. While new cases of coronavirus continues to rise and the death total as well. Yes, you can have him and his clown behavior.

[Golds]

You not have a health insurance in the US? --but you have a travel insurance, I assume? Then you much better off there in Kampala then in the war zone US with the warlord T swinging his stick. Just keep yourself 2 m away from people and hope your fuckmates are virus free.

Anyway. I survived many years of unprotected sex. I don't want to die now of an unprotected handshake.

As an European I would be proud to have a leader as Trump! You may take the Merkel's, Wir schaffen das!, for free. How Democrats almost ruined your country!

[GoodEnough]

Don't waste your time, Member #2041. Some people just believe what they want to believe.

Right you are. Facts don't work. Logical argument doesn't work. Science doesn't work. Verification of the 500 lies or so the buffoon tells each day doesn't work. In short, nothing works for those cult members. Better just to shake your head and walk away.

[Naked Gunz]

Well gents, Trump will appoint a pro-life justice. In the eighties before HIV, I rarely wore a condom with one night stands. After my son was born, and when HIV became a thing, I started to buy them. All I can say is Roe v Wade will be challenged very soon with this appointment. I will just say that my vasectomy has saved me at least three times with intensive long-term fucking with foreign women. I would encourage everyone to take this important step to protect their own financial futures. There are too many paternity court cases on TV for a reason. You cannot trust these stupid girls to not get knocked up. The maternal instinct is too strong.

[AllTooHorny]

I saw the recent developments. They don't alter the fact that Trump made a false accusation against Obama, and was called out as a liar because of it by James Comey before Congress. What the recent developments DO suggest is that a Republican in Congress (Nunes) violated his Constitutional oath in passing information to Trump which was shared in confidential briefings. The corruption is deep amongst Trump's campaign officials. Who include the aforementioned Congressman Nunes.

Even Fox News acknowledges that if people in the Trump administration were overheard, it was because FOREIGN Agents were being lawfully surveiled, and the Trump people happened to have conversations with those foreign agents who were lawfully and appropriately being monitored. That is not in any way, shape, or form what Trump improperly called Obama out for doing, and which Comey made clear, was a false accusation made by Trump. Nothing in this new disclosure alters that fact - although it DOES impugn the credibility of Devin Nunes, and suggests that Nunes acted in violation of his oath of office.

BTW, Fox News is not a reputable news outlet, so you need to come up with a more reliable citation from a less biased source in order to have it given any credence (and BTW, Breitbart doesn't qualify). That being said, they seem to have gotten the facts correct, and only their spin and emphasis wrong. In fact, this disclosure is even MORE damning to the Trump administration, because it shows that they were in fact in contact with foreign agents who were appropriately under U.S. Intelligence Surveillance at the time.

Don't waste your time, Member #2041. Some people just believe what they want to believe.

[Member #2041]

Recent developments regarding this broke today. Your news outlets (CNN, CNBC, ABC, NBC, etc) probably won't cover it, so check Fox news if you're interested.

I saw the recent developments. They don't alter the fact that Trump made a false accusation against Obama, and was called out as a liar because of it by James Comey before Congress. What the recent developments DO suggest is that a Republican in Congress (Nunes) violated his Constitutional oath in passing information to Trump which was shared in confidential briefings. The corruption is deep amongst Trump's campaign officials. Who include the aforementioned Congressman Nunes.

Even Fox News acknowledges that if people in the Trump administration were overheard, it was because FOREIGN Agents were being lawfully surveiled, and the Trump people happened to have conversations with those foreign agents who were lawfully and appropriately being monitored. That is not in any way, shape, or form what Trump improperly called Obama out for doing, and which Comey made clear, was a false accusation made by Trump. Nothing in this new disclosure alters that fact - although it DOES impugn the credibility of Devin Nunes, and suggests that Nunes acted in violation of his oath of office.

BTW, Fox News is not a reputable news outlet, so you need to come up with a more reliable citation from a less biased source in order to have it given any credence (and BTW, Breitbart doesn't qualify). That being said, they seem to have gotten the facts correct, and only their spin and emphasis wrong. In fact, this disclosure is even MORE damning to the Trump administration, because it shows that they were in fact in contact with foreign agents who were appropriately under U.S. Intelligence Surveillance at the time.

[Member #4480]

Actually, the Director of the FBI, a Republican, BTW, and the person who actually has access to the evidence, flat out called Trump a liar before a Congressional hearing, with respect to both Obama's supposed bugging of Trump tower, and Trump's tweeted claim that the FBI has found nothing to link his campaign and the Russians attempt to hack the election.

Recent developments regarding this broke today. Your news outlets (CNN, CNBC, ABC, NBC, etc) probably won't cover it, so check Fox news if you're interested.

[Member #2041]

All speculation, no proof.

Actually, the Director of the FBI, a Republican, BTW, and the person who actually has access to the evidence, flat out called Trump a liar before a Congressional hearing, with respect to both Obama's supposed bugging of Trump tower, and Trump's tweeted claim that the FBI has found nothing to link his campaign and the Russians attempt to hack the election.

[D Cups]

Don't waste anymore of your time and energy on them.

Ya, you're right, Coalburner. Smoothy, 2041, et al you win! You couldn't win an election but you win the debate here in ISG because it makes no sense to continue. So I forfeit to your interminable stupidity and doomsday predictions. Congratulations. Now you can take your fists out of your asses and put the crystal ball in there where you will get better use out of it. I will enjoy seeing the continuous imploding of the democrapic party and all things Obama. GO TEAM TRUMP!

[GoodEnough]

Uh, you mean his irrefutable "facts" like:

"9) Disrespect for Cops.

10) Failed economic stimulus plan.

11) Constant disregard for the Constitution and tyrannical rule. "

LOL.

How about a near record 75 straight months of positive jobs creation vs a net LOSS of 600,000+ private sector jobs by the end of the previous guy's grueling 8 year long disastrously failed presidency? How about regularly seeing 200,000+ jobs created per month vs LOSING 800,000 jobs per month? How about an unemployment rate steadily declining to 5% and below instead of skyrocketing toward double digits? How about a total reversal of the stock market plunge into new highs, tripling the market as measured by the S&P 500 Index? How about my property values totally recovering from the Bush / GOP crash and climbing to new highs?

All of which began to occur a couple of weeks after that supposed "10) Failed economic stimulus plan" was signed into legislation (with almost NO Repub votes, BTW) and put to work in the system. And those critical positive economic metrics never looked back or went into reverse direction ever since. Oh, and that was done at the end of February 2009. Please remind me again what Trump and his fellow Repubs in Congress have done to trigger ANYTHING as remarkably positive for the USA Economy now that they've had a month LONGER in control of the levers than Obama and the Dems had by February 2009.

But I hear Trump's golf game is coming along better than ever!

🤗129303; A nice fact-based refutation. Unfortunately, we've entered into an era of fact free debate, in which what one "feels," or "knows in his heart to be true," is equivalent to fact, science, or empirical proof. Arguments with people who buy into the Trump psychosis is futile. For whatever it's worth, I think the current president is--as concurred by two pretty prominent psychiatrists whose articles I've read recently--a malignant narcissist, who can no more help what he is than your average schizophrenic. It's the supporting cast of those empowering his delusions, who believe it's fine to substitute delusion for fact, who are even more contemptible than he is. The danger for the US of course is the line between fact and delusion is becoming ever more blurred for the American public and that's a condition that may persist long after Trump is mercifully gone.

GE.