Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Sirioja]

A) a constant daught / wind can reduce infection a lot:

In a recent german TV show (Maybrit Ilgner), https://youtu.be/5ulKfdHm5wU?t=1094 (exact position), Prof Drosten (Germany's most famous virologist) said something *super-important*:

Essentially if there is a constant draught, then the coronavirus would have a much less chance to settle.

B) an app, that could show someones personal risk score, based on the vicinity of folks one was with in the past 5 days, and whether those were infected or not.

Easy to create this draught, with ventilators in the rooms. Likely dehumidifiers might help too. If the air is dry, the aerosols will be killed.

And also easy to make the risk-score app mandatory for certain establishments. At the door the FKK-clubs, could simply say, that either mongers / girls need to show that they are immun or have a low risk score. Done.

With Chinese not reliable tests? Even if mistral or tramuntana wind, but if You kiss with saliva a infected girl with no symptom, no risk for you? I'm pretty sure virus will return in FKK land when reopening, virus is now around us. Risky business. When US are the worst under virus, when they never respected confined, but now they want confined to be stopped, and even fat and old ask for, same like for free weapons any psychopath can buy, it just means they accept to die, but maybe they don't understand everything and they will cry after, when no more Navajo to be scared about. In France, old people also asked not to be confined anymore after 11 May, so, many will die, many will be given by children. I don t know for how long they plan to close EU borders, but some will go outside for job, will they be under quarantine when returning? Nearly impossible no more virus and nothing in FKK land, new risk, more risky than HIV, but less dangerous for my opinion, even seem to attack not only lungs but can also blood.

[Mr Ho]

But most powerful is not able to manage virus, with their town number 1 giving scary images to the world, with fridge trucks in streets, with Hart island for poor. I really don t wish them, because I would probably not be French without them, Europe might be very different without them, but I m afraid they could be over 50000 deaths, with so many poor who can t afford to go to hospital, keeping on working to have to eat, when unemployment is exploding there. When the most powerful is the worst since weeks. Of course, we won't compare to China, because I think everybody and our politics understood what kind of danger they can be. Have now to think about less dependence and more protection, we are not in same world. Virus is like miror for our society, much more than our medical level, and they are discovering in France, when 80% deaths are over 70 yo, and 67% under 70 had already health problems, but 50% of the worst cases under 70 are suffering obesity, even in France, more and more obese, eating on US way since they are child: MacDo for gift in foods, Cola, when we have best gastronomy in France, but US culture spreading in France, making more and more obese who are vulnerable to virus. This virus would not only kill fragile lungs, but could also infect blood for some cases when doctors didn't understand what happened for some quite young, seeming healthy, who died. I wish, if we lost, but at least could learn from what happen. As we say in sport, we learn more from a defeat than when we win.

Power and managing virus has nothing to do with each other siri. USA messed up on this and many European nations messed up big time too, and soon Japan is on the same path, Japan have now 20 % beds kept free in hospital, so Japan too can have health care destruction soon if that 20% of beds are filled with heavy symptom patients and then we be on same path as Europe and USA, and all of these country has same standard of civilization beside some nations has better medical technologies, but we all are failing or on the path to failing.

However, this virus won't terminate humanity, we be back on the norm sometimes in future, it is matter of how much damage and death till then. Again, it is better to focus on controlling death rates and protecting health care system is the key.

Beside Avigan made by Fuji film Japan, which is working on mild symptom well. There is another medicine made by USA based medical company that is showing good result and not they are testing on 4000 patients globally, so it is quite hopeful.

[Mr Ho]

A) a constant daught / wind can reduce infection a lot:

In a recent german TV show (Maybrit Ilgner), https://youtu.be/5ulKfdHm5wU?t=1094 (exact position), Prof Drosten (Germany's most famous virologist) said something *super-important*:

Essentially if there is a constant draught, then the coronavirus would have a much less chance to settle.

B) an app, that could show someones personal risk score, based on the vicinity of folks one was with in the past 5 days, and whether those were infected or not.

Easy to create this draught, with ventilators in the rooms. Likely dehumidifiers might help too. If the air is dry, the aerosols will be killed.

And also easy to make the risk-score app mandatory for certain establishments. At the door the FKK-clubs, could simply say, that either mongers / girls need to show that they are immun or have a low risk score. Done.

Well either way, there is only one option for FKK to be open again, which is when government gives green light to do so.

[Pistons]

Why have the governments of the world been so slow to do studies like the Santa Clara one? Why have they been so slow to test in general? Why are they not being honest about the death rate? We all heard the 3. 4% figure, right? But it's not true.

I believe there are now so many mutations of the virus that maybe there are both one version with 3-4% death rate, and another one with just 0. 1%. We simply do not know. An Icelandic scientist found 40 different mutations of the virus on Iceland alone!

In Italy it surely was well above 0. 1% in some areas for example. As the total number of deaths registered in one region quadrupled from one year ago in March. That means the corona virus mutation in that area killed 3 times as many people as all other causes of deaths combined. These are morgue statistics, and has nothing to do with testing. And in the later part of the timeframe there were even restrictions on movement, thus reducing things like the seasonal flu, driving accidents etc etc.

[Mr Ho]

China claim US brought it, US claim other, don't believe all what is told or written, same than here. I just think now the world know China lied to protect their already falling economy and keeping on producing not reliable tests, with people tested negative and dying from covid. I think this is now time to protect versus lies, not to be so dependant about safety, health. We don t all have same standards and level for quality, reliability. Now, this is new world with virus working around, not so sure even having recovered will make full safe, even french doctors think to use plasma to cure. I think FKK land will now be risky playfield if you are not a survivor healthy warrior with no relatives, because when will reopen, even with EU borders closed for months, but such playfield to spread so fast and around when returning at home, but as I went to a escort under confined, but since more than 2 weeks now, I look if she is still available and I m happy for her she is, when she is only 19, too young to die from virus in Paris, as soon it will reopen, I will go to Germany, Switzerland, Austria which should open first, and Spain for Slavians. But better to know about risk for health, for relatives. Even with vaccine, if ever, if virus don t mutate before, just impossible for everybody but only risky people like versus grippe. But on the other hand, no need to be paranoiac, can die while sleeping. When I grew up, I read, I heard so much about US paranoia about what was behind the wall. Now we know, not because Russian women are much prettier and elegant than Americans, even despite Putin, but Russia is so much more interesting for culture, for a french like me, even I thank US to be a free French.

So called red team, north Korea, China and Russia, their governments are known to be not reliable for information, they openly lie even on the field of foreign affairs. This is nothing new, any educated people know about that. But many nations are like this also.

At least with in G7 nations we do not lie to each others and can have good dialogue to lead the world. G7 is not just GDP as they claim, then China would be in G7 long time ago.

Cities may reopen, but we are still depending on hope of weather of summer will fix it for now, so let see if that hope is right as for most virus weather to calm it down. Some are wondering about corona spread in warmer climate nations already, but let see.

Either way, we won't know the bottom of it unless USA decide to declare war, but I do not think so. Maybe in middle east again or possibly Iran, but with China, it will be third world war.

[Paulie97]

Salaam zusammen,

As you know it's been hard to know the fatality rate of Coronavirus, and the figures have been all over the place. Part of the problem is that they've only been testing people who show up in hospital with bad symptoms, so we don't know how many people in the general public are infected.

However, a recent study has shed some light on this:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/17/h...udy/index.html

According to scientists testing for antibodies, in Santa Clara county, on April 1 between 48,000 and 81,000 people were infected. That sounds huge, but the good news is that only 50 people had died. So that's a fatality rate of under 0. 1%. That's the same as the death rate for common flu.

If you are under 50, your risk probably goes down to 0. 01%. If you're under 30,0. 001%.

Why have the governments of the world been so slow to do studies like the Santa Clara one? Why have they been so slow to test in general? Why are they not being honest about the death rate? We all heard the 3. 4% figure, right? But it's not true.

I suspect that if young people knew how small the risks are to them, they would be much more reluctant to shutter up their restaurants, stop going to parties, etc. The lockdown would not seem justified.

I encourage the audience to read the above linked CNN article in full. You'll find that the doctor who oversaw this study is far more guarded in his language than Polyamorist, who with great eagerness thinks he has found validation for his government conspiracy theories. This study is preliminary and is not yet peer reviewed. The doctor also ends with a word of caution saying that "the flu and coronavirus are still quite different. For one, we don't yet have a vaccine for Covid-19.

Doctors suspect, though, and are still trying to prove beyond a doubt, that antibodies to Covid-19 mean one is immune down the line. " The latter remains open, and it's a significant question indeed.

Also, even if the death rate is scaled downward substantially as the result of wider, like testing, there's still a number of other problems associated with placing restrictions only on the elderly while allowing everyone else to get back to business as usual. Those are found in the below article. This is an idea that British considered but back off of for good reason.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ly-vulnerable/

[Kuni042]

A) a constant daught / wind can reduce infection a lot:

In a recent german TV show (Maybrit Ilgner), https://youtu.be/5ulKfdHm5wU?t=1094 (exact position), Prof Drosten (Germany's most famous virologist) said something *super-important*:

Essentially if there is a constant draught, then the coronavirus would have a much less chance to settle.

B) an app, that could show someones personal risk score, based on the vicinity of folks one was with in the past 5 days, and whether those were infected or not.

Easy to create this draught, with ventilators in the rooms. Likely dehumidifiers might help too. If the air is dry, the aerosols will be killed.

And also easy to make the risk-score app mandatory for certain establishments. At the door the FKK-clubs, could simply say, that either mongers / girls need to show that they are immun or have a low risk score. Done.

[Kuni042]

This Spahn-dude (health minister) is so full of shit. How dares he calls the epidemy under control or controllable? After a few days of stagnation? BTW: the latest daily infection numbers are already accelerating by 50%.

The German authorities seem to be confident that they have things under control. I hope they are right, and that things remain under control in FKKland. One step closer to getting back to our "hobby".

[Kuni042]

Yes, 3. 4% is a shitty number. That even the WHO quoted. It was most stupid, to take just confirmed cases divid it by the death toll.

But no, the death rate is certainly nothing like a normal flu. There is one famous Heinsberg study in Germany, which was also quite thorough and here the numbers are more like 0. 4% - but you know that is still 10 x higher than severe flu. And that explains why they have a hard time carrying away dead bodies from certain hospitals, where it hit particular hard.

Salaam zusammen,

As you know it's been hard to know the fatality rate of Coronavirus, and the figures have been all over the place. Part of the problem is that they've only been testing people who show up in hospital with bad symptoms, so we don't know how many people in the general public are infected.

However, a recent study has shed some light on this:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/17/h...udy/index.html

According to scientists testing for antibodies, in Santa Clara county, on April 1 between 48,000 and 81,000 people were infected. That sounds huge, but the good news is that only 50 people had died. So that's a fatality rate of under 0. 1%. That's the same as the death rate for common flu.

If you are under 50, your risk probably goes down to 0. 01%. If you're under 30,0. 001%.

Why have the governments of the world been so slow to do studies like the Santa Clara one? Why have they been so slow to test in general? Why are they not being honest about the death rate? We all heard the 3. 4% figure, right? But it's not true.

[Polyamorist]

Salaam zusammen,

As you know it's been hard to know the fatality rate of Coronavirus, and the figures have been all over the place. Part of the problem is that they've only been testing people who show up in hospital with bad symptoms, so we don't know how many people in the general public are infected.

However, a recent study has shed some light on this:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/17/h...udy/index.html

According to scientists testing for antibodies, in Santa Clara county, on April 1 between 48,000 and 81,000 people were infected. That sounds huge, but the good news is that only 50 people had died. So that's a fatality rate of under 0. 1%. That's the same as the death rate for common flu.

If you are under 50, your risk probably goes down to 0. 01%. If you're under 30,0. 001%.

Why have the governments of the world been so slow to do studies like the Santa Clara one? Why have they been so slow to test in general? Why are they not being honest about the death rate? We all heard the 3. 4% figure, right? But it's not true.

I suspect that if young people knew how small the risks are to them, they would be much more reluctant to shutter up their restaurants, stop going to parties, etc. The lockdown would not seem justified.

But it's the elderly who make the decisions. I've said that the solution to the crisis is simply to quarantine the elderly. But politicians will not consider this option, because it means that they themselves will be isolated. Politicians have meetings all day, and their credibility rests on that. Do you think Donald Trump would agree to go into isolation and participate only by videoconferencing for the next year, while younger wolves asserted themselves physically in the White House? It's the same with all politicians. They are obsessed with power: that's how they got to where they are. So their attitude is: "If we go into isolation, everybody goes into isolation!" They won't loosen their grip for an instant.

What you say might work, and I think there is a chance I already had this and my symptoms were very mild. However I will tell you that given the unpredictable nature of the symptoms, even I who is relatively young and quite physically fit would not risk deliberately getting this. I know people who have tested positive for it and recovered with relatively mild symptoms.

Salaam Mr Indigo, I would ask you (and others) if you accept the statistics above, and if so do you still plan to curtail your mongering life? Me, I see no reason to. I will try to see how I can go on as normal. I continue to believe that sex is the healthiest physical activity there is. The long drought of sex is drying me out on the inside. I have to replenish my mojo.

I repeat that young women have very strong immune systems. Even if a WG got the virus, the chances are her system battled with it for one day, defeated it, produced antibodies, and she never even noticed this was going on because there were no symptoms.

[Sirioja]

Finally, US is seeking to investigate laboratory in Wuhan I have been saying from the beginning. I do not think it was deliberately leaked, but leaked by mistake due to misconduct.

It was originally french who helped Chinese to make this lab and french backed off, then Chinese just began running the lab themselves. If french stayed on to managed the plant, it would have been better managed lab, but let see if USA can prove that it was leaked. I don't think it will be opened to public though, they will just use it as a car for foreign affair negotiation against Chinese, which USA should do.

China claim US brought it, US claim other, don't believe all what is told or written, same than here. I just think now the world know China lied to protect their already falling economy and keeping on producing not reliable tests, with people tested negative and dying from covid. I think this is now time to protect versus lies, not to be so dependant about safety, health. We don t all have same standards and level for quality, reliability. Now, this is new world with virus working around, not so sure even having recovered will make full safe, even french doctors think to use plasma to cure. I think FKK land will now be risky playfield if you are not a survivor healthy warrior with no relatives, because when will reopen, even with EU borders closed for months, but such playfield to spread so fast and around when returning at home, but as I went to a escort under confined, but since more than 2 weeks now, I look if she is still available and I m happy for her she is, when she is only 19, too young to die from virus in Paris, as soon it will reopen, I will go to Germany, Switzerland, Austria which should open first, and Spain for Slavians. But better to know about risk for health, for relatives. Even with vaccine, if ever, if virus don t mutate before, just impossible for everybody but only risky people like versus grippe. But on the other hand, no need to be paranoiac, can die while sleeping. When I grew up, I read, I heard so much about US paranoia about what was behind the wall. Now we know, not because Russian women are much prettier and elegant than Americans, even despite Putin, but Russia is so much more interesting for culture, for a french like me, even I thank US to be a free French.

[Mr Ho]

Finally, US is seeking to investigate laboratory in Wuhan I have been saying from the beginning. I do not think it was deliberately leaked, but leaked by mistake due to misconduct.

It was originally french who helped Chinese to make this lab and french backed off, then Chinese just began running the lab themselves. If french stayed on to managed the plant, it would have been better managed lab, but let see if USA can prove that it was leaked. I don't think it will be opened to public though, they will just use it as a car for foreign affair negotiation against Chinese, which USA should do.

[Dupont88]

So make the picture.

Austria and Germany quickly to a new normality.

And don t forget that Germany have a big Pharma industry for all the equipment e the vaccine.

For the hospital never had ICU problem.

So poor Italy, please don't censored this because I m Italian, with its lousy health system and politicians, e 1/3 of the country mafialand. Will be the first to entry in crisis and the last to exit.

For 1 or 2 years no more Italian customers in FKK.

[Sirioja]

I know USA is the most powerful nation in the world. And Japan and USA are best friend. I think at least G7 should get along on intellectual manner because most nations are on same level on intellect, manner, culture, civilization, technology, medical etc. But we all are different as well.

Japan do not have this white western ego of invading world, we tend to be more team player than west, but west tend to have attitude most of time, and we most have to time adjust the behavior.

For Medic in G7, Japan, Germany and USA has the most of pharma and medical equipment companies that are top notch, but we all sell and collaborate with each other, so hospital levels are all similar level with similar equipment, it is just that some nations are more organized than others, which showed in this case. Japan focused on death rate, not so much on infection rate which is hard to control, but death we can control by protecting medical system and let those who can be fixed to stay home with medication like Avigan made by Fuji film Japan.

Avigan works for first 6 weeks of symptom so far, but it is not medicine made for this, it was made for bird influenza, so bat is close.

But most powerful is not able to manage virus, with their town number 1 giving scary images to the world, with fridge trucks in streets, with Hart island for poor. I really don t wish them, because I would probably not be French without them, Europe might be very different without them, but I m afraid they could be over 50000 deaths, with so many poor who can t afford to go to hospital, keeping on working to have to eat, when unemployment is exploding there. When the most powerful is the worst since weeks. Of course, we won't compare to China, because I think everybody and our politics understood what kind of danger they can be. Have now to think about less dependence and more protection, we are not in same world. Virus is like miror for our society, much more than our medical level, and they are discovering in France, when 80% deaths are over 70 yo, and 67% under 70 had already health problems, but 50% of the worst cases under 70 are suffering obesity, even in France, more and more obese, eating on US way since they are child: MacDo for gift in foods, Cola, when we have best gastronomy in France, but US culture spreading in France, making more and more obese who are vulnerable to virus. This virus would not only kill fragile lungs, but could also infect blood for some cases when doctors didn't understand what happened for some quite young, seeming healthy, who died. I wish, if we lost, but at least could learn from what happen. As we say in sport, we learn more from a defeat than when we win.

[Mr Ho]

The German authorities seem to be confident that they have things under control. I hope they are right, and that things remain under control in FKKland. One step closer to getting back to our "hobby".

For any country, it is hard to control infection rate, I mean only thing fed can do is ask or force people to stay home which they have done, but some entities has to go on like infrastructure related companies, mega companies, transportation etc.

But we can control the death rate by not destroying medical infrastructure and also having good hospital to begin with. There are very few nations who can cope with such sudden required production of medical equipment like life supporting system, artificial lung system etc. Only nations with good high tech industries.