Madagascar

[Vahaza Be]

I am surprised by what was written on Tolegnaro (Fort Dauphin) one of the seldom place I never went; because in tamatave there is also dynatec mining project and clearly no problem. Is police controls effectively confirmed or just a mouth to hear info?

Not only word of mouth, but also a long article published in a newish Ft. Dauphin English newspaper (which I think was called the Dolphin or something similar).

I also heard form a friend returning last week that the hotels in Tamatave are now booked months in advance due to new mining operations. That's how it started in Ft. Dauphin too. Huge influx of vazahas with money to burn.

[TigeDeJade]

i seized christmas opportunity to call one of my regular in tamatave to ask her if there was change in present tamatave atmosphere.

she confirmed no change: to be careful with petty thefts when taking "pousse pousse" especially in the evening/night (i never had any problem but i know it happens especially to alone girls because thefts know that they might carry some money);

raising question of police attitude towards mongering; queen's disco. she said there was no change. i. e no problem;

personnaly, i went there several times and i have never seen a policeman stopping girls or mongers in tamatave.

but, i observed in the past a good serious control of girls id at entrance or inside the queens disco by security members of the disco for the girls they were not yet accustomed to see (as there is regularly new freebees coming. and it brings delicious opportunities).

all that is a guarantee of seriousness.

i know that around 2000 a disco was closed by the authorities and burnt in tamatave because they accepted **** girls.

today's queens has probably in mind this past and want to stick to strict control over 18 (never had the question of 21 raised in my experience)

however, what i previously wrote comes from very reliable sources.

on the other hand, i observed lousy place on this topic especially morondava (2005), with lot of opportunities to have **** girls directly coming from the beach to the bungalows.

i am surprised by what was written on tolegnaro (fort dauphin) one of the seldom place i never went; because in tamatave there is also dynatec mining project and clearly no problem. is police controls effectively confirmed or just a mouth to hear info?

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[Vahaza Be]

the professionals almost all carry national ids that may be kept at the front desk of a hotel until the young lady departs (annoying if you're trying to be anonymous, but still good security for you and the hotel). many nonpros carry these papers too because the hotel staff will often ask anyway. i think most girls in the urban areas and tourist destinations are savvy about this. i've never heard of falsified ids, but it would probably be pretty easy to do; i've never heard of this being a problem. what is a real problem is the availability of ****d girls, even at regular hangouts like the glacier. i recommend you ask for id before the little head overtakes your big one. be carelful in ft. dauphin (tolognaro) especially; there is a heightened local police awareness there due to the influx of foreigners working/living there connected to the huge rio tinto operation nearby

of course, many police are corrupt because they are poor and have some power. usually a small bribe and friendly attitude will take care of late night police road stops in taxis. i've never heard of or met anyone who was a victim of police conspiracies with working girls.

[Amadeuss]

From the document handed out for passport holders arriving and on posters all over:
"Toute personne auteur d'acte sexuel sur un infant de mosins de 18 ans sera poursuivie a Madagascar et dans son pays d'origine"[emphasis added]
#41 Jul-Aout 2007, pp 28-29

Which document from the girl can be considered as legal and foolproof? How corrupt is the local police?

In the Philippines any ID can be falsified and shown from the girl to you, but in police raids the corrupt officers will tell you that the ID is fake and you end up in the slammer.... or pay 100...300.000 peso to get free = 2500...7000 US$

[Vahaza Be]

From the document handed out for passport holders arriving and on posters all over:
"Toute personne auteur d'acte sexuel sur un infant de mosins de 18 ans sera poursuivie a Madagascar et dans son pays d'origine"[emphasis added]
#41 Jul-Aout 2007, pp 28-29

[Vahaza Be]

I am really surprised to know that a malagasy girl beetween 18 and 21 is a minor.

Most of the focus -- and mentioned in posters seen around the island -- are with respect to under 18.

[Elmerfud]

Most of the population of Mada are minors. The government definition is below 21 (as I can remember from airport advertisements against sex tourism)

Many sexy ladies falls between 16-21 years category which is legal by most of the world countries.

So? Enforcing laws against sex with this age category will give you no practical choice since many ladies will approach you at the disco and you always fear from police.

In most countries "minors" (above 16) allows to have sex with adults so I can't understand why in Mada this age become 21.

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

I am really surprised to know that a malagasy girl beetween 18 and 21 is a minor.

[TigeDeJade]

It appears that half a dozen of Frenchmen were jailed.only in NOSE BE- since this bill was implemented. Guys were just caught out of disco with their girlie but the fact to go out with a girlie was enough as the girl who easily avowed to the police that she was going to sex for money.

[Member #4178]

Most of the population of Mada are minors. The government definition is below 21 (as I can remember from airport advertisements against sex tourism)

Many sexy ladies falls between 16-21 years category which is legal by most of the world countries.

So? Enforcing laws against sex with this age category will give you no practical choice since many ladies will approach you at the disco and you always fear from police.

In most countries "minors" (above 16) allows to have sex with adults so I can't understand why in Mada this age become 21.

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

[Elmerfud]

I was not in Mada for almost a year but what I have reported is info taken from the french embassy in Mada but as any other governemental organization they tend to probably dramatize thing but the law about the anti sexual tourism is a reality how strong do they enforced it, I would not be able to say, but with a few euros you could probably buy your way out if it is about something that is not so bad of an infraction of the law but the law about adultery is real and it applies to married couple and I know married couple that had big problem about it when one of them decide to lay charge on the other for more info go to ambafrance-mada and click on actualité and click on conseils aux voyageurs.

Personnaly I would not postpone or change my plan of going to Mada just be more cautious and careful and use common sense.

[Reisepal]

Met this sweet beauty of 19 in Diego Suarez.

Perfect ten in every way.

[Vahaza Be]

Elmerfud--

The focus is on stopping or at least curtailing sexual trafficking of minors -- a very good idea. I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted for adultery or having sex with a prostitute or bar girl anywhere in Madagascar. Virtually every married Malagasy man I know has at least one "girlfriend."

Laws that aren't enforced hardly matter. Do you have any real reports of police crackdowns on anything other than sexual tourism with minors? Please post this info if you have it -- it would be very important to know the context and frequency of such actions.

Thanks.

[Elmerfud]

In Madagascar Adultery Or If You Prefer A Married Person Having Sex With Somebody Else Than Her Or His Legitimate Spouse Or Husband Is A Criminal Offense.

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Hi Elmerfud,

I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...

Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

Jackson

[Elmerfud]

text of law 2007-038 of the 14 january 2008

wich read that sex tourism either done by a local or foreigner and have p4p with children or adult prostitute is punishable from 5 to 10 years in jail and or 4 000 000 ar to 20 000 000 ar fine, at least one monger had already had been charged at nosy be under this new law

more info on www diplomatie. gouv. fr

having sex with **** i do understand and fully agree with the punishement, but paid sex between 2 consentings adults?

[Joe Perez]

Did this forum just die?

No one mongering in Mad anymore?

I don't see so many reports from you kamolahy. So before invite others propose yourself. Maybe you will be able to start an helpful discussion.