Pattaya Reports

[WildBillLewis]

Great plan you have there! I have been to Puerto Galera and will recommend the place. Very nice for scuba diving and snorkeling. Beautiful scenery and secluded beaches. Sabang village has maybe 6-7 go-go's and I was impressed by the quality of girls.

I would skip Malaysia and go to Pattaya instead. No place, except Bangkok maybe, can compete with Pattaya if you are hunting girls!

Thanks for the comments on Puerto Galera. I am debating whether to go there or go to Cebu.

As for Pattaya, I spent 28 days in Pattaya in February of 2015. The hunting was very good indeed. I chronicled it day by day (see 28 Days in Pattaya).

[WildBillLewis]

I more or less did the trip you are planning last winter.
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I spent about 7 months in Asia total but if you don't park yourself in one city like I did, 100 days should be enough ...

Jakarta should be included:

It is now on the hit parade and climbing like a rocket.

Bali was not bad. Girls were generally always willing to accept a lower price:

I might scale back the time investment on this one and, for sure, I'll negotiate.

Macau is worth visiting to experience the unbelievable spas there:

I'll stop by for the spa experience.

In the Philippines, my first stop was Manila and Makati:

I was in Manila for two weeks about a year ago and didn't much care for the place.

Boracay:

I was there for a week about a year ago and had a good time. But maybe that was because I brought a girl from Angeles City with me.

Puerto Galera. Never made it:

I am leaning toward switching out Puerto Galera for Cebu.

Spent a week in Palawan. Puerto Princessa, has some girls in the local clubs near the airport, but it's not worth a flight from MNL:

Agreed. I was there about a year ago for a few days. Dull.

The main resort town of El Nido is mainly couples and back / flash packers with a few LB's in the beach bars. Nice place but not for mongering:

Agreed, I finished off my last trip to the Philippines with four days in El Nido; got bitten by two mosquitos and ended up with both malaria and dengue fever.

I went to Vietnam several years ago and had a relatively good time in Saigon though found Hanoi to be sorely lacking:

I'm thinking of scaling back my investment of time in Vietnam from two weeks to one.

Would recommend skipping Cat Ba entirely due to the blustery climate that time of year.

I visited both Kuching and Kina Kinabalu in Borneo. The scene in both cities is very hidden. You won't find FL's generally trolling the streets and most of the action is confined to MP's. Fellow member, Hafni, is a good source for the latter city of KK. There is a great 4 hand massage place there that he can direct you to. Kuching is a nice place but really dead for nightlife:

This surprised me. I am going to have to rethink this aspect of the trip.

The same can be said for Siem Reap. The nightlife is triple weak and the local girls appear to keep a low profile and local contacts are the way to go:

I may skip Siem Reap entirely, or maybe hit there just to see Ankor what.

Phnom Penh, on the other hand, was ridiculously easy to find hot girls:

Very good to know. I'll dial in more Phnom Pehn.

I skipped Sihanoukville due to mediocre reviews on this board:

This really surprised me. Sihanoukville has such a reputation! More research required.

I spent a good part of the trip living in Bangkok. It's the Mecca of everywhere else:

I spent two weeks there two years ago, so I might give it a miss this time.

Visited four islands in the Gulf. Not much to report, which says it all except Ko Samui was not as much fun as I hoped.

I am thinking of adding Hat Yai and Hua Hin to the hit list.

I would certainly add Pattaya to your itinerary. It lives up to its reputation and then some:

I spent four weeks there six months ago. What an awesome place!

Also, went to Penang in Malaysia but was terrible for any girls. Skip it!

Thanks for the counsel.

KL certainly has some interesting venues but the only problem is it's an expensive city.

I am debating this one for sure.

Singapore is not so great these days but maybe someone else with recent experience can comment:

Worth a quick peek, then on to surer things.

Let me close by thanking you and others for this kind of input. I appreciate the fact that it takes time to write something as detailed and as thoughtful as this. It is helping me refine my draft itinerary. Food for thought, and advice leavened with experience: exactly what I need at the planning stage.

[SirWilliam4]

Pardon my off-topic query. Too lazy to RTFF or visit Thepprasit. Any place in central pattaya that sells the fresh, uncut fruit?

Thank you in advance, have fun and stay safe.

Second Road. Leading into Mike's.

[China35]

Went in here last night, very busy and big mix of girls, maybe 50-75 approx, 10's down to 2's and without doubt a smattering of LB's. Pole dancing, showering, stage dancing and various stage shows, no pressure to have girl sit with you, and if do virtually anything goes. Good security, drinks standard gogo prices. Bar fine last night was 1000 bhat although 1500 bhat quoted. The 10's 5000 bhat all night leaving at around 15.00 next day.

[Aviator12]

Jakarta is on the list, and you've just bumped up the time I'll spend there. Although I'm anxious to see the country (and the girls) I'm thinking that I may be overinvested in Vietnam. I had been planning to city hop from south to north and spend upwards of two weeks there in total, partly for the beaches (Nha Trang, the Nang, Hue and Ha Long Bay), but I also want to have some fun and it seems like fun might be hard to come by there. I'll look into Mahachai and Rayong, and I might drop Puerto Galera down the batting order. Thanks.

Great plan you have there! I have been to Puerto Galera with ex. Phil. Girlfriend and will recommend the place. Very nice for scuba diving and snorkeling. Beautiful scenery and secluded beaches. Sabang village has maybe 6-7 go-go's and I was impressed by the quality of girls. It is small but a highly interesting place were you can have lot's of fun. 3-4 days should be enough. Vietnam is also nice and the girls are super. I would skip Malaysia and go to Pattaya instead. No place. Except Bangkok maybe. Can compete with Pattaya if you are hunting girls! As others point out; your interest for other topics apart from mongering should also be a guide. I also love Singapore and Hong Kong, but the price is much higher. Angeles City is a dump really, but nice girls can be found and the prices are low.

[WildBillLewis]

Are you skipping Jakarta? That would be a sin. It's great at many levels (from $10 at the local low end, comfortable $30 midrange, to sky-is-the-limit). The scene is not as open / accessible or foreigner-friendly as in Bangkok, but it may well be larger and better quality. Indonesia (apart from Bali) is a mostly under-explored, yet promising place, perhaps the last remaining mongering frontier. If I had time for a 100-city itinerary, I'd also hit other big cities (like Surabaya or Yogyakarta).

Many of the places on your list are thin when it comes to mongering (e. G. Puerto Galera, Nha Trang), although there could be other reasons to go. If you're into the low-end places, in Thailand there are smaller towns with a local brothel scene like Mahachai or Rayong which might be worth a visit (in place of Udon).

In Malaysia, KL is not without options, especially at the very low end (Brickfields, ACE, Petaling). Typical foreigner-oriented spots (Bukit Bintang, Beach Club) are a bit overpriced, but if you're going for breadth, they should be on the list. Diverse working girl crowd in KL: PRC / Thai / Vietnamese / Indo / ex-SU / Indian. Everything except Malaysians.

Jakarta is on the list, and you've just bumped up the time I'll spend there. Although I'm anxious to see the country (and the girls) I'm thinking that I may be overinvested in Vietnam. I had been planning to city hop from south to north and spend upwards of two weeks there in total, partly for the beaches (Nha Trang, the Nang, Hue and Ha Long Bay), but I also want to have some fun and it seems like fun might be hard to come by there. I'll look into Mahachai and Rayong, and I might drop Puerto Galera down the batting order. Thanks.

[TellAll]

I think you misunderstood my post. My question had been where can I find LT in Pattaya. The reason I went back 10 posts is because someone had written that if I go back exactly 10 posts before mine, I would find the answer to my question. But the post exactly 10 posts before mine was about a Russian club that charged an incredible amount of money for LT, way past the ripoff stage. So I was responding specifically to that other guy, not to others, and telling him that the post he referred to did not really answer my question.

Relax. You can find LT pretty much in all the clubs and bars. I don't have a problem finding it and you shouldn't either.

[Henry R]

Buddy, I'm going for the first time in August and I am going to be blunt here, you're going to have to put some effort in to the research. Believe me it is well worth it. Going back 10 posts is not going to cut it. Our fellow mongers are super helpful and do an awesome job of putting up some incredibly detailed information, to which I am totally grateful.

I think you misunderstood my post. My question had been where can I find LT in Pattaya. The reason I went back 10 posts is because someone had written that if I go back exactly 10 posts before mine, I would find the answer to my question. But the post exactly 10 posts before mine was about a Russian club that charged an incredible amount of money for LT, way past the ripoff stage. So I was responding specifically to that other guy, not to others, and telling him that the post he referred to did not really answer my question.

[Luckyguy7198]

Pardon my off-topic query. Too lazy to RTFF or visit Thepprasit. Any place in central pattaya that sells the fresh, uncut fruit?

Thank you in advance, have fun and stay safe.

[Soldierb11]

Thanks for this. I'm gearing up for a 100 day trip from about mid-January to about mid-April. I had been thinking of city-hopping through the following: Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand (skipping Pattaya this time), Cambodia, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Macau and the Philippines (including about seven days each in Boracay, Angeles and Puerto Galera this time). Got a tentative plan. Got a preliminary budget. Looking now to refine it and firm it up. Hadn't been thinking of Rio or Medellin but I am going to give Latin America some thought before I settle on a plan. Thanks for this.

Bill what's the goals or priorities of this trip?

Twice I have taken year long around the world trips in 2011 and 2014 the goals of the trip were 1. Sightseeing 2. Mongering.

For example in Peru I stayed a few days in Lima for mainly Mongering and enjoying the fine restaurants, I then went to Cuzco and Machu Pichu for the incredible sight seeing. While in the Philippines it was 7 days in Angeles to enjoy the ladies and 7 days in Boracay to enjoy the beaches and relax, yes I did monger a couple nights in Boracay but it wasn't my priority those days.

Contrast that with a friend of mine who is currently on a year long round the worlder. He is all about the puss. His trip is 99% Mongering. I'm honestly not sure if we were in Aqaba if he would go to Petra or go and find a seedy brothel. Sightseeing is not his priority at all. When we go to an ice cream joint some of us would choose vanilla others chocolate might be a mint chocolate chip or a butter pecan among us. You need to sit down and write down all the things you want to experience during your 100 day mega trip, look at your budget and then rough draft out a schedule.

[Tomasb]

I more or less did the trip you are planning last winter. Never got around to a final assessment of all the locales I visited but agree with the other poster that Jakarta should be included. I ended up not going there as I found myself in Indonesia (Bali) during Ramadan and decided that a visit to Java did not make a lot of sense during this time. Bali was not bad but as other posters have observed, there is price creep going on there but found girls were generally always willing to accept a lower price. Negotiate! Their initial offer is usually absurd. However, with the exception of ground zero area in Kuta, it's not as obvious to spot Indo girls on the make.

Macau is worth visiting to experience the unbelievable spas there. Just RTFF for the details. However, the island is basically set up for gamblers of the Chinese persuasion. Expensive hotels and sterile environment. I was able to go the 'racetrack' in the Hotel Lisboa. Quite the experience but, unfortunately this legendary 'race' has been discontinued. Not that it mattered as it was only for the benefit of Chinese mongers.

In PHP, my first stop was Manila and Makati. Burgos street was fun as I hooked up with a local guy with wide connections on the street. The best bar I think is upstairs on the corner called Rogues. I also went to Boracay and did not like it overall but there is one disco there that rocked and had willing, inexpensive, and fun girls available almost every night -- though almost all asked me for extra money afterwards with various sob stories. The beach side walking scene at night was dubious with quite a few LB's walking about. Also, I went for a few nights in Angeles. Not really for me as there is so little to do there during the day. I also did not care for the girls I met but that could have just been me. I hear mixed reviews on Puerto Galera but never made it. Also, spent a week in Palawan. The main town, Puerto Princesa, has some girls in the local clubs near the airport, but it's not worth a flight from MNL to hang out there. The main resort town of El Nido is mainly couples and back / flash packers with a few LB's in the beach bars. Nice place but not for mongering.

I went to Vietnam several years ago and had a relatively good time in Saigon though found Hanoi to be sorely lacking. But from Hanoi, I journeyed to Haiphong and then took a ferry to Halong Bay/Cat BA island and really enjoyed one of the island MP's -- some tasty young girls from the Mekong delta. However, expect cold and rainy weather in the north overall and would recommend skipping Cat Ba entirely due to the blustery climate that time of year.

I visited both Kuching and Kina Kinabalu in Borneo. The scene in both cities is very hidden. You won't find FL's generally trolling the streets and most of the action is confined to MP's. Fellow member, Hafni, is a good source for the latter city of KK. There is a great 4 hand massage place there that he can direct you to. Kuching is a nice place but really dead for nightlife.

The same can be said for Siem Reap. The nightlife is triple weak and the local girls appear to keep a low profile and local contacts are the way to go. I did find a tuk tuk driver to send me over a few girls from a local brothel but the service was woeful. Some of the MP's have extras but many cater to rich tourists who come to see Angor Wat, etc. Pnomh Penh, on the other hand, was ridiculously easy to find hot girls. I won't go into the details; just read the thread but I found some amazing girls there. I skipped Sihioukville due to mediocre reviews on this board.

I spent a good part of the trip living in Bangkok. It's the Mecca of everywhere else. Point and click! Also, visited four islands in the Gulf. Not much to report, which says it all except Ko Samui was not as much fun as I hoped. I would certainly add Pattaya to your itinerary. It lives up to its reputation and then some.

Also, went to Penang in Malaysia but was terrible for any girls. Skip it! However, KL certainly has some interesting venues but the only problem is it's an expensive city and the prices for girls reflect the high cost of living there. They are also less likely to be GFE or at least that was my experience. Too many rich oil and gas guys there with money to burn. However, the steady depreciation of the ringgit verses most western currencies could help with the costs.

I understand that Singapore is not so great these days but maybe someone else with recent experience can comment.

I spent about 7 months in Asia total but if you don't park yourself in one city like I did, 100 days should be enough time to visit where you wish. As always, YMMV...

I am gearing up for a 100 day city-hopping trip starting mid-January. I have drafted a plan that includes Singapore, Indonesia (mostly Batam and Bali), Malaysia (mostly Kuching and Kota Kinabalu), Thailand (several locations in the south, avoiding Udon Thani because of the reported crackdown), Cambodia (Siem Reap, Sihanoukville and Phnom Penh for sure), Vietnam (tentatively Saigon, Nha Trang, the Nang, Hue, Hanoi and HaLong Bay), Hong Kong, Macau and the Philippines. In the Philippines, I was thinking of spending seven days mongering in each of Angeles City, Puerto Galera and Boracay. I'd be interested in hearing suggestions re: other destinations I should consider either in the Philippines or elsewhere.

[Crocodilexp]

I am gearing up for a 100 day city-hopping trip starting mid-January. I have drafted a plan that includes Singapore, Indonesia (mostly Batam and Bali), Malaysia (mostly Kuching and Kota Kinabalu), Thailand (several locations in the south, avoiding Udon Thani because of the reported crackdown), Cambodia (Siem Reap, Sihanoukville and Phnom Penh for sure), Vietnam (tentatively Saigon, Nha Trang, the Nang, Hue, Hanoi and HaLong Bay), Hong Kong, Macau and the Philippines. In the Philippines, I was thinking of spending seven days mongering in each of Angeles City, Puerto Galera and Boracay. I'd be interested in hearing suggestions re: other destinations I should consider either in the Philippines or elsewhere.

Are you skipping Jakarta? That would be a sin. It's great at many levels (from $10 at the local low end, comfortable $30 midrange, to sky-is-the-limit). The scene is not as open / accessible or foreigner-friendly as in Bangkok, but it may well be larger and better quality. Indonesia (apart from Bali) is a mostly under-explored, yet promising place, perhaps the last remaining mongering frontier. If I had time for a 100-city itinerary, I'd also hit other big cities (like Surabaya or Yogyakarta).

Many of the places on your list are thin when it comes to mongering (e. G. Puerto Galera, Nha Trang), although there could be other reasons to go. If you're into the low-end places, in Thailand there are smaller towns with a local brothel scene like Mahachai or Rayong which might be worth a visit (in place of Udon).

In Malaysia, KL is not without options, especially at the very low end (Brickfields, ACE, Petaling). Typical foreigner-oriented spots (Bukit Bintang, Beach Club) are a bit overpriced, but if you're going for breadth, they should be on the list. Diverse working girl crowd in KL: PRC / Thai / Vietnamese / Indo / ex-SU / Indian. Everything except Malaysians.

[Mr Enternational]

Looking back a few weeks, it appears that about the cheapest Soi 6 girl of unknown looks wants 800 B and will not (or cannot) negotiate lower than that. In my analysis, I was referring to the really cute, young spinners for 1000 B. For 1000 B, I am speaking of the Soi 6's cream of the cream, not the old, fat and desperate.

Old, fat, and desperate? Are you speaking of the monger? Because of the girls that is not the case at all. First of all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I see a lot of guys talk big shit on ISG, but when I walk around the streets of Pattaya I don't see any of these supposed creme de la creme girls on anyone's arm. Mostly I see girls that I would not give a second look to. But I am not here to judge. I am here to fuck.

Second of all, you are talking about a 200 baht difference between what you are calling an absolute dog and a stunning princess. Even in a soapie the price difference between the basic girls and the supposed top of the line girls is 4 times or so that meager difference.

Third of all, price means shit. I am not telling you what I heard; I am telling you what I KNOW! Last month I was hanging out on Soi 6 with a guy from Texas who I had met earlier at Tukcom. He took one of the baddest chicks I have ever seen on Soi 6. He told her that he would pay her barfine and she could kick it with him for the rest of the night, but he was not going to give her any money. Even I thought that was some bullshit because any of the other chicks at discos and shit may just be out to have a good time, but you know a chick is in a Soi 6 bar for money. It made no nevermind to her though. She gladly went with him and I met up with them later at the disco. I can not attest to what else happened with them, but I know that much and she was back at the bar the next day as happy as could be.

Fourth of all, I hardly ever take pictures, but I sure as shit took one of her! So you tell me what difference free, 800 baht, or 1000 baht makes as far as the looks of the girls.

[Mr Enternational]

I am gearing up for a 100 day city-hopping trip starting mid-January. I have drafted a plan that includes Singapore, Indonesia (mostly Batam and Bali), Malaysia (mostly Kuching and Kota Kinabalu), Thailand (several locations in the south, avoiding Udon Thani because of the reported crackdown), Cambodia (Siem Reap, Sihanoukville and Phnom Penh for sure), Vietnam (tentatively Saigon, Nha Trang, the Nang, Hue, Hanoi and HaLong Bay), Hong Kong, Macau and the Philippines. In the Philippines, I was thinking of spending seven days mongering in each of Angeles City, Puerto Galera and Boracay. I'd be interested in hearing suggestions re: other destinations I should consider either in the Philippines or elsewhere.

Looks like me and Soldier share the same top 4. Seven days mongering in Puerto Galera and Boracay will not work. I have not been to Boracay, but have been to Puerto Galera and can tell you that they are both "bring your own girl" places. I was in PG for 3 days of scuba diving with my own girl and was more than happy to get the hell out of there when time came. Sight seeing took all of half a day renting a motorbike and driving to see the lighthouse and the waterfall. I stayed in Sabang (kind of the city center area. You can probably walk the whole thing in 1 minute flat. You can definitely see it all by standing in 1 spot) where the dive shops are. The other area is White Beach, probably where most of the tourists who are not divers stay because of its white beach. It is also really small. Stopped through during the day while sight seeing amd there was nothing to do there either but play in the sand and the water.

Batam is a day trip from Singapore, crossing the bay on a 45 minute boat ride. Nothing there either. Had a taxi driver take us around to the fuck houses where the pimps kept changing the prices and eventually let out that they didn't want us to fuck their girls because our dicks are too big. Same as Singapore where all of the sex workers were from Indonesia or Philippines. Most people think wow Bali, but when I show them pictures of the beach they are like ugh, not what I pictured.

Vietnam is probably the nicest place I have been. Went to Nha Trang for the worst scuba diving that I have ever done. Nice sunny place again with not much to do. I found a guy on a motorbike to take me to a few fuck places. Read up on ISG because I remember them trying to fuck me over on the prices, but because I had read, I knew better. The Nang was okay but HCMC and Hanoi were great. Remember that all the tourist stuff in Vietnam is about the war. You will quickly be "over it. ".

Best thing I have ever seen on this planet: the temples in Siam Reap (2nd: Machu Picchu, 3rd: Pyramids at Giza). PP is good for a couple of days.

Hong Kong: nothing to really do there but probably the most people that I have ever seen in my life (along with Tokyo). Just a sea of people moving and crossing the street. I'm thinking where are all of these mfs going? Best street food ever though. If you like sex toys then you want to rack up at the night market on Temple. A $100 vibrator at the store in the States will cost you no more than $10 there.

Malaysia: wouldn't touch that place with a 10 foot pole if not for some of the best scuba diving in the world. My cousin's wife is from Kuching. The only way she got him to move to Malaysia was to allow him to come live in Pattaya. When the money ran out he was back in KL with her and hating life. Needless to say, he has been back stateside for the past year and has zero desire to go back to Malaysia where his wife and son are. But he is definitely ready for more Pattaya!

[FL Hawk]

Looking back a few weeks, it appears that about the cheapest Soi 6 girl of unknown looks wants 800 B and will not (or cannot) negotiate lower than that. In my analysis, I was referring to the really cute, young spinners for 1000 B. For 1000 B, I am speaking of the Soi 6's cream of the cream, not the old, fat and desperate.

So is paying a 20% premium for a young and super cute spinner worth it on Soi 6? Given that 20% is less than $10, heck yes! There is no apples-to-oranges comparison, simply that the pretty girls are worth more (to me at least) than fat girls. If you can get a fattie on Soi 6 for even 500 B and be happy, then great, but that is not what I am in the market for. I can get fatties at home for free.

Also, some of the BFs on WS are 1000 B or more. Many of those bar girls are not better looking that the Soi 6 girls I am speaking of. So if have to pay a 1000 B BF and 3000 B for the girl who looks the same as the Soi 6 girl I am after, then is the Soi 6 girl not a bargain?! I saved 50%. Apples to apples here.

My comparison to girls back home simply helps to underscore that Thai girls are a great value and one can justify a trip to LOS for a vacation based on that value.

If MrE comes back and says he got a top looker at a Soi 6 bar for 500 B, I will salute him. And when I, hopefully, return in November, I will indeed negotiate harder. No one wants to be perceived as a chump.

But great discussion guys! As I have said, I am still a nube and have much to learn.