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01-22-12 17:56 #3840
Posts: 857Originally Posted by Natty Bumpo [View Original Post]
I know these girls don't have computers because they go frantic when I give them my old ones. I like computers and buy a new laptop every 2 or 3 years. My nephews won't take them caus they're spoilt silly and I can't just throw them out so I give them to the girls I like the best. They can either practice their English or re-load with a bootleg local language version of Windows with stickers on the keys.
BTW, they were ALL from Nana this trip!
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01-22-12 17:06 #3839
Posts: 6802Originally Posted by Natty Bumpo [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Natty Bumpo [View Original Post]
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01-22-12 16:40 #3838
Posts: 6802Backseat driving
Originally Posted by Wendella [View Original Post]
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01-22-12 16:33 #3837
Posts: 3040RJ, I want to compliment you on the great photographs you post in the Thai Photo gallery and just now on this thread. Your Nana girl is spectacular and the pictures of the Soi 33 hostess illustrate the informational benefit of posting and why we post pictures. I have been to Soi 33 bars and found only a few of the hostess's worthy of a bar fine. Your photos prove beyond words that it is possible to find a nice women there. And isn't that the whole point of this forum? The free flow of information about the monger scene worldwide. But, I am afraid there is no argument, no matter how logical that will convince the naysayers and on the other side, no so called compassionate argument no matter how heartfelt that will convince us. Wendella truly believes what he is saying and he is entitled to his POV, but he comes very close to insult when he tries to make his case and he should be very careful of that. Look, if you strongly believe the photos somehow violates a girls right to privacy, than take it up with Jackson, although I doubt you will get very far with him on this. The girls tacitly give up their right of privacy when they pose for the pictures. No one is taking hidden camera shots. There is no coercion. It is their absolute right to refuse or to not permit naked shots. Asking them if they mind being posted on ISG is a negative leading question and a vibe killer. In order to create high quality pictures that capture a girl's sexiness and what she is about, she must be comfortable in front of the camera. Some girls take to being photographed like a fish to water, other girls are more wary. You have to make the shy ones feel comfortable in front of the camera and relaxed in order to get the good shots. The bottom line is if a girl asks me to keep her pictures private I comply with her wishes. The girls are always inquisitive about how their photographs look and I always show them the shots. If they don't like a particular shot, I erase it for them or try to persuade them of its merits. So the girls have a lot of say about their photos and exercise an important degree of editorial content by agreeing to pose in the first place, to pose naked, and approving of the final pictures. Add to that the possibility of any photo causing the girl real harm is so low (as has been pointed out by me and RJ) that it is effectively zero. What more can we say? The argument of how would I like my own naked pictures posted here is pretty farfetched. Maybe in another lifetime I will be reincarnated as a Thai Go Go girl posing for pictures taken by Wendella. That would be karma, baby. Of course I could always decide to work in a factory as millions of others do or maybe get lucky working as waitress in a coffee shop, but then I would not be making the big money in nightlife scene. Free Choice. It is all about free choice.
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01-22-12 16:30 #3836
Posts: 857[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1240177]RJSSS, learn to use the 'end quote'. This:
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]Please. I'm sure not. And if I'm not, the guy who does that sure isn't.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]should be:
As in:
Originally Posted by Wendella [View Original Post]
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01-22-12 15:54 #3835
Posts: 6802End quote[/QUOTE]
RJSSS, learn to use the 'end quote'. This:
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]Please. I'm sure not. And if I'm not, the guy who does that sure isn't.[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]
should be:
Originally Posted by Wendella [View Original Post]
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]Please. I'm sure not. And if I'm not, the guy who does that sure isn't.[/ QUOTE]
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01-22-12 15:04 #3834
Posts: 857[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]I haven't posted in the Thai section in a long long time (Last time I went to Thailand was about 5 yrs ago). Don't remember posting about this over there, but it's possible.
So where are you getting your statistics? [QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]
I ask them all. Just a few years ago I was able to come 6 maybe 7 times but alas no more. Now 3 maybe 4 if I push it and I only take girls long time so that leaves a lot of time (too much actually) to talk.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101][if Jackson would let me, I'd insert a winky smiley face here] I have no idea how many working girls have computers and internet. I have seen plenty of them in internet cafes though. They use dating sites for sure. I've also come across plenty of reports (right here on ISG) of guys letting the girls get a look at ISG and other sites like it. Right here in this thread we have Cambodian touts come on and post sometimes, so we know they're aware of this site at least. So right off the bat, I'm not exactly trusting your analysis.
But none of this actually matters much, the question is whether they have a right to privacy or not. It's a pretty basic human right.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]
Hmmm, you use the term too loosly.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]And the person who should be judging what the boundaries of their privacy are is they themselves, not some snap-happy sex tourist.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]
I'm hardly 'snap-happy' whatever that means.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]But don't try to persuade me about it, go ask them if they think they have a right to not have their pic posted on the net. Are you against letting them have any say in it? And if they say they're against it, is it still ok?
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]
No, its not.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]To me, this one seems blatantly obvious.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]
Hmmm, personal opinion. Nothing obvious about it.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]If some guy posted a picture of you naked in the act on the internet, you'd want to kill him.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]
TOO hypothetical. Was I forced forced? Then, yes, I'd be angry. Did I pose? Then no, I just made a bad decision. If I posed naked for someone how could I be pissed if they used them at their discretion? I've walked the length of Soi Cowbow at least 500 times in front of guys taking pics, video, missionary's preaching, news reporters, etc. Doesn't bother me at all.
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It seems to take some impressive mental gymnastics to then presume that it would be a total non-issue for the girls.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]
Nope, no double gainer here – see below.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]But really. I'll be the first to admit, if I see an interesting post with a pic attached, I'll probably take a look.
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You don't probably look – you open the photo thread like everyone else – hypocritical maybe?
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]I feel a bit guilty if I do, but I do look. I can recognize that it's not exactly kosher and still go ahead and do it. Some guys seem to need to rationalize everything they do as moral and of utmost integrity.
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Your morality is personal not universal.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]That just seems weird to me. Just admit the obvious: it's cleary not a good thing, posting nude pics without consent. What, you're a 100% good person?
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]
Nope, I'm anything but a saint. I've done things that would make your toes curl. BUT I don't fuck people (in the figurative sense).
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]Please. I'm sure not. And if I'm not, the guy who does that sure isn't.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]
So posting pics with a consent form make me a bad person? See below.
Your response to my post employs the same skewed perspective and selective logic as your argument. You've cherry-picked the parts you like and deem 'rights' where you see fit and discarded the rest at your convenience..
I'm guessing you come from a western country. Well in your country they have deemed prostitution illegal and immoral. And, have determined that in fact humans can not make rational decisions when 'easy' money is involved and CAN NOT choose how to use their bodies and have a 'right' to be FORCED not to engage in this 'easy money' endeavor and these countries enforce it legally.
Yet you discard this rational as an impingement of personal freedoms and have elected to engage in what YOU feel is more 'rational' application of human rights by engaging in prostitution simply because that is what YOU think is a personal 'right'.
Even though it is not legal in Asian countries either. How convenient.
Yet by that same logic, when a girl willingly poses for pictures, is outrageously compensated (by local salary standards) and suffers no subsequent harm or damages you suddenly imbue her with your own imagined 'rights'. When in fact she simply MAY HAVE made a bad decision, and as we know decisions have consequences.
Only in the western world where lawyers rule are people absolved from their bad decisions and in fact made to be martyrs as you have made her. IF she were harmed in any way then she should simply choose differently next time – simple. Are you a lawyer?
Now if she were forced in some way it would be a different story. But in actuality she was anything but forced. She actually seemed to enjoy herself and was not forced in any way. She enjoyed my booze, laughed a lot and enjoyed (apparently) the fine hotel amenities, came to orgasm and was paid an outrageous amount of money (by local standared) – hardly a travesty and WILLINGLY posed WITHOUT qualifying what use the photos would be put to. In fact she did not want to leave!!! When she posed she made a V with her index and middle fingers (as is popular in Asia) and put her tongue in between as if to suggest an act of female to female oral sex. Hard to force someone to do that!
I am a gentleman.
IF she had said no pics then I would not take them.
IF she said no internet then I would not post them.
SHE DID NOT.
So now, absent any prior objections and in the harsh light of day, you want to imbue her with your imaginary 'rights' when in fact she was well aware of what she was doing, well compensated and in hindsight MAY HAVE made a bad decision.
If she had entered into a legally binding contract for a restaurant lease and realized later that nobody ever walks past the corner she chose for her restaurant and that she made a bad decision would you absolve her as well as having 'rights' not to make such a bad decision and void the lease? Of course not.
In the United States it has been determined that you are not responsible for watching where you walk. If a sidewalk has a large crack and you trip and fall it is not your fault but instead the sidewalk owners fault. Is it a basic international human right to be careless in where you walk or careless in the decisions you willingly make?
I guarantee you IT IS NOT!
People are responsible for their actions unless they were deceived or tricked. The bargirl was neither.
So how you apply your 'rights' seems strictly an arbitrary decision made by you and / or your culture AND at YOUR convenience.
The bar girl was just that – carless in her decision to pose at worst AND she suffered no harm except in your mind.
I say that unless you were there to hear it then the tree, when it fell, made no sound and bothered no one.
RESPECT!
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01-22-12 10:51 #3833
Posts: 1390Originally Posted by Rjsss212 [View Original Post]
So where are you getting your statistics? [if Jackson would let me, I'd insert a winky smiley face here] I have no idea how many working girls have computers and internet. I have seen plenty of them in internet cafes though. They use dating sites for sure. I've also come across plenty of reports (right here on ISG) of guys letting the girls get a look at ISG and other sites like it. Right here in this thread we have Cambodian touts come on and post sometimes, so we know they're aware of this site at least. So right off the bat, I'm not exactly trusting your analysis.
But none of this actually matters much, the question is whether they have a right to privacy or not. It's a pretty basic human right. And the person who should be judging what the boundaries of their privacy are is they themselves, not some snap-happy sex tourist. But don't try to persuade me about it, go ask them if they think they have a right to not have their pic posted on the net. Are you against letting them have any say in it? And if they say they're against it, is it still ok?
To me, this one seems blatantly obvious. If some guy posted a picture of you naked in the act on the internet, you'd want to kill him. It seems to take some impressive mental gymnastics to then presume that it would be a total non-issue for the girls.
But really. I'll be the first to admit, if I see an interesting post with a pic attached, I'll probably take a look. I feel a bit guilty if I do, but I do look. I can recognize that it's not exactly kosher and still go ahead and do it. Some guys seem to need to rationalize everything they do as moral and of utmost integrity. That just seems weird to me. Just admit the obvious: it's cleary not a good thing, posting nude pics without consent. What, you're a 100% good person? Please. I'm sure not. And if I'm not, the guy who does that sure isn't.
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01-21-12 22:57 #3832
Posts: 403Originally Posted by Daddy San [View Original Post]
Your point 2 is incorrect. You can only USE them at international airports (PP and SR) and at SOME overland crossings (Poipet and Koh Kong)
You are provided with an e mail visa which you print 2 copies of. One is taken upon arrival and the other on departure, Nothing is stuck in your passport. You just receive entry and exit stamps.
The e-visa is single entry, costs $25 and must be used within 3 months of the date of issue.
Thanks for the offer of ladyboys Daddy San. Unless desperate I think I will stick to the Khmer lasses!
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01-21-12 22:20 #3831
Posts: 857Originally Posted by Wendella [View Original Post]
I think your perspective is skewed and the needle on your moral compass is mis-alligned.
Simply, your argument is not practical but academic.
I have heard this same argument many times, and maybe even by you, in the LOS thread mostly but it applies to all of Asia and most ofthe world as well.
You might have a better argument if ALL the world spoke the same language which they don't and IF there was a real chance that poor, uneducated sex-working girls in Asia or anywhere else had computers and could navigate English which they don't and can't.
Many Asian working girls have no or basic English skills at best (most don't) and almost ALL have no writing skills. When asked for a number and a name it usually takes them 40 seconds to write it in pigeon scratch and many times they cross it out and start again becauseit is hard for them.
How many have computers? 1% MAYBE? Are they surfing English websites? No, they are surfing in their language if they surf at all. Most don't. If they do they go to sites they know or which benefit them in some way. Does ISG offer a translated version with little flags in the upper right hand corner? No.
OK, so they have no computer and surf in a café. Are they paying good working girl money to TRY and surf sex sites in English? No they are not. There are billions of sites, millions of sex sites, hundreds of sites like ISG. How and why are they getting to the ISG site? Because some idiot monger shows them? Sure, possible because as we well know there are a lot of idiots that read this site but really at the end of the day that situation is a one off if it happens at all.
Don't believe it?
Then tell me how many actual cases have you heard of that an Asian working girl found ISG for one? And secondly how was she or how many were actually hurt in ANY way? And please don't say if its 1 it's too many. Please tell me how many you've heard of? You've been around, had many hundreds and probably thousands of working girls as have I and most serious mongers – please tell me how many? You can't.
If one did and was uspet how long would she be upset? Certainly not past her next BBBJ's right? And how was she hurt? Was her current or prospective Cambosian, Thai, etc. Boyfriend upset? HE's the same as she is and probably couldn't turn on a computer so how was her life affected?
Lastly, you suggest that they might post our picture if taken and how would we feel.
Well this argument is like comparing granny smith apples to durian seeds.
Because – if some girl posted my picture in a Cambodian language only, working girl website – which would be the Cambodian / Thai, or whatever, equivalent of ISG, it would be an EXTREMELY small audience in a language only understood by a few. Who would care? There are thousands of trade industry publications OR even better, if your picture was posted in a small local Russian language newspaper, read by 15, 000 in a small Russian town like Vladivostok, how would it affect you? That's about the equivalent of what the ISG site is in the world.
So in the end, isn't yours just a case of the 'falling tree in the forest making a sound' argument.
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01-21-12 17:44 #3830
Posts: 490EVisa for Cambodia
The official Government eVisa website I use is:
www.mfaic.gov.kh/evisa/
In 2008, when I last got a eVisa, they still stuck a full page sticker in my passport. Don't they anymore nowadays?
Bumkoles, if you have a source of eVisa without the sticker, please post the website openly and your reward will be great (unlimited supply of beautiful ladyboys, next time you come to PNH)
DCups attention!
read the above website carefully!
1. eVisas can are for single entry only
2. you can get them only at international airports and at selected Points of Entry by Road.
From Vietnam, the ONLY one seems to be Bavet (Svay Rieng), on the road from HMC!
I'll be in PNH around February 15.
If you are still there, maybe we can meet for a beer and discuss Titanic Tits and Beautiful Booty
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01-21-12 04:29 #3829
Posts: 401Originally Posted by wendella [View Original Post]
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01-21-12 00:58 #3828
Posts: 227Originally Posted by D Cups [View Original Post]
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01-20-12 22:28 #3827
Posts: 403E-Visas
Originally Posted by D Cups [View Original Post]
Unfortunately not available for all overland crossings, where you can be scammed in to parting with payment in Thai baht of 1000 or more.
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01-20-12 21:04 #3826
Posts: 153Originally Posted by D Cups [View Original Post]