Thread: Stupid shit in Medellin
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10-23-21 04:23 #1906
Posts: 1775Originally Posted by FunLuvr [View Original Post]
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10-23-21 03:39 #1905
Posts: 5446Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
If you do some checking you will find many who are supporting vaccination posted publicly when they were vaccinated. But to turn it around why is it acceptable for someone who got the vaccine to urge people to not get vaccinated. I believe you'll find that is much more common than what you suggested.
Maybe there were some drastic changes between when I served and when you served. When I was in boot camp. They didn't ask me how I wanted my hair cut, didn't ask what style of uniforms I wanted to wear and didn't ask which vaccines I wanted. They didn't even tell me which vaccines I was receiving. They also didn't ask if my wisdom teeth were causing me any problem. They just told me they were going to remove them. So the idea that members of the military should be allowed to make decisions about vaccines is completely foreign to me.
When you swear the oath, you hand your balls to the government, knowing they are under no obligation to return them.
Most people don't understand freedom. What they want instead of freedom, which you already have, is freedom from consequences. Anything you can imagine you have the freedom to attempt. However, others and society have the freedom to halt your attempt, or impose consequences. The consequences are often not equitably applied, but they are there.
You're free not to get vaccinated, but like everything else, there may be consequences. Just about everywhere has rules about acceptable behavior, acceptable speech, acceptable clothing, even acceptable extracurricular activities. If you're on a flight bound for Barranquilla and it turns around because some passenger is exercising his freedom which is against airline regulations, are you going to be mad at the airline for restricting freedom, or at the guy who started screaming about having to wear a mask?
A white supervisor at my company was just fired this week for a remark he made to a black employee. I didn't witness the exchange, and I don't know if his meaning was racist, but what he said certainly qualifies as racist language. What are your thoughts about his freedom?
One final not. Didn't you post something about using someone else's Covid test results, and about faking a vaccination card? I either fundamentally different from someone who is unvaccinated mandating vaccination?
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10-23-21 02:49 #1904
Posts: 5446Originally Posted by LoveItHere69 [View Original Post]
I've had doctors like you described, but I replace any who don't meet my needs.
As for why there are silicone implants, I know of one reason. My wife had a double radical mastectomy. Which means her breasts were completely removed. She was given implants, which allowed her to retain her feminine shape.
If you want to go off on a rant, why don't you mention ED drugs, hair loss drugs and therapies and all the rest?
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10-23-21 02:44 #1903
Posts: 1040Originally Posted by JohnClayton [View Original Post]
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10-23-21 02:17 #1902
Posts: 687Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
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10-22-21 23:11 #1901
Posts: 6416Example
Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
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10-22-21 22:17 #1900
Posts: 1775Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
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10-22-21 21:59 #1899
Posts: 540Originally Posted by JohnClayton [View Original Post]
The reason doctors are always late is that they are busy talking to pharmaceutical sales representatives in the hallway between patients. My cousin was a new pharmaceutical sales representative 20 years ago. He was given a company credit card with $35,000 to spend on the receptionist, nurses, and doctors on flowers, food, etc. He could get in trouble if he did not spend the money. Pharma buying doctors and ethics there. Does the opioid crisis ring a bell?
Doctors implanting basketball sized silicone boobs. That even defies all sense of logic. Doctors take several ethics classes so how the hell do silicone boobs even exist in the first place?
Doctors have no common sense now like in the days of the past. The doctors used to ask tons of questions to help solve the problem. Now the doctor asks maybe 3 questions and then it is off to get a ton of X-rays, crap and urine tests, and a whole plethora of blood tests. I would take a doctor practicing in the 60's, 70's, or 80's before any of the current doctors out there.
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10-22-21 21:37 #1898
Posts: 2579Hear hear
Originally Posted by JohnClayton [View Original Post]
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10-22-21 19:51 #1897
Posts: 746Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
1) The vaccines are amazing. Almost 3 billion people have been fully vaccinated and the adverse effects have been more closely monitored than any drug or vaccine in history. They are incredibly safe and amazingly (in the case of the mRNA vaccines) effective.
2) The vaccines make your immune system stronger. They make you a stronger human being.
3) For all our beliefs about free will, individualism, etc, really, we are part of humanity. This is not just about our personal health. We prosper when humanity prospers. When this disease appeared, we had the brief opportunity to join with all other humans in all other countries and crush it completely out of existance. That's what we did with SARS 1. It is clearly in our interest that we vaccinate as many people on earth. That includes all the poor parts of Africa, Asia, South America -- because it's in our interest. Look at how dead this site has been for the last twenty months -- we want to travel freely and party in Thailand, or the DR, we clearly want this disease to be beaten into submission. We should be paying for the vaccines there because it is good for us. I know we like to believe we are independent, but really, from an epidemiological point of view, we need to protect everyone to protect ourselves.
I don't hate those cops and firemen who are refusing the vaccine on the grounds of "personal freedom", I just think they're being incredibly stupid. They are victims of this pernicious anti-vaccine propaganda, which is being promulgated by the right wing for purely political reasons.
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10-22-21 19:18 #1896
Posts: 15908Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
They fill the population with BS to get them to do what they want. Why is it not mandatory for the mfs that are making laws for everyone to be vaccinated to be vaccinated themselves? That is some red flag do what we say and not what we do stuff to me.
Why was everybody heros for going out bravely working during the pandemic when there was no vaccine to speak of, and now those same people are billed as selfish pieces of shit not even worthy of having a job when they want to forego taking the vaccine and risking their own lives same as before? Same as me being a military veteran. Thanks for your service to the country, but fuck you you do not deserve shit because you don't want to take a vaccine.
This kind of shit just gets my goat. I am called free as long as I am doing what you are making me do. The minute I no longer want to follow the path that I am pushed into, freedom REVOKED! The pandemic has definitely shown me that this freedom rhetoric is definitely a sham.
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10-22-21 18:05 #1895
Posts: 5446Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
Instead try this:
Last year I had strep throat while in Medellin. The girl who transmitted it to me, admitted afterwards she had been sick, but didn't want to miss seeing me (or seeing my money). With antibiotics, strep has a contagious period of about 24 hours if you take antibiotics, about 2 weeks without antibiotics.
Should everyone else stay home for 2 weeks to prevent infection because I don't want to take antibiotics? Or should I either take antibiotics and stay home for a day, or for 2 weeks if I choose not to take the antibiotics?
It's not an entirely accurate analogy, but at least it's a discussion of relatable situations.
With strep throat at least it's usually easy to know what you have. So going out, or taking antibiotics is pretty clear cut decision. With Covid there's a good chance you have no idea whether or not you're contagious, or whether someone else is. Some cases are mild enough nobody considers being tested. Some people believe they have a complete natural immunity (which hasn't been tested). In some cases none of the symptoms match up with what anyone expects and Covid isn't considered a possibility, which is what happened to me.
There's also the problem of not knowing the risk for the people infected by the people who you might infect.
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10-22-21 16:48 #1894
Posts: 1775Originally Posted by Villainy [View Original Post]
If everyone adopted my approach. Pharma would produce medicines that have not been tested on animals, so no extra diseases would exist. The world would be populated with just as many healthy people, but with more happy animals. Hehe. As you agree, animal testing is going to become a thing of the past.
I am a vegan, and I do dedicate my time to veganism. I am a vegan activist and I run a popular vegan website directory (volunteer work for 15+ years). My business donates to PETA, various shark alliances and seahorse conservancies. Thanks for the advise though.
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10-22-21 16:16 #1893
Posts: 650Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
You must be a vegan or maybe just a vegetarian? I am BTW. So why spend your time rationalizing the avoidance of a vaccine that is saving millions of lives, when you would use your energy to attack the food factories that torture and abuse animals in order to make oversized profits and generally damage the health of the end users?
If you really wanted to do some good you would make generous and extra generous donations to PETA or similar organizations, instead of tilting at windmills. Oh and I'm sure you're aware that animal testing is disappearing rapidly given the advances in technology which have led to the cloning of human cells for use in testing.
BTW I didn't see the need to call you names. I strongly disagree with most of what you say but we can disagree as adults without resorting to childish insults, right Elvis and MarquisdeSade1?
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10-22-21 14:46 #1892
Posts: 1775Originally Posted by Ptrbrgr [View Original Post]
1. Everything has an opportunity cost. So if the financial costs associated with developing and administering the vaccines outweigh the benefits then the net effect would be negative.
2. If the social and / or psychological fallout of the vax program outweighs the benefits. So let's say some people suffer trauma from being forced in to having a vax, realizing that they are living in an authoritarian state where their freedom of choice has been taken away.
On a personal note, I have mentioned here before but not to you directly, I am against taking the vax. This is bcos I am anti-vivisection and I do not want to support industries that conduct animal testing. Many people argue that animal testing is necessary, but that is neither true nor would it be persuasive. Pharma tests on animals bcos it is cheap and bcos it is legal. If we took away that right, they would use other methods to obtain the same information. Proof of this lies in the recent history of animal testing in the cosmetics industry. For decades cosmetics companies argued it was necessary. When the EU finally stopped listening to their lies and banned it, they switched to other methods and there have been no negative medical issues since. Further I do not believe we have the moral right to subject a non-consenting sentient being to be tortured for the benefit of others. Imagine if we took your child or wife (or whoever you love) and did the same thing. I am therefore not an anti-vaxer per se, rather I am an anti-animal-tested-vaxer.
I must say that I have enjoyed this back and forth. You have presented your arguments eloquently and provided context that I hadn't really considered before. I hope I did a reasonable job of supporting my position too.