Kyiv

[PhotoSlider]

Anyway, as PhotoSlider said: Kiev is very bad for P2 P please go to Moscow instead

Precisely! Finally a wise man is on the Forum sharing my opinion that Kiev is terrible. The whole country of Ukraine is the armpit of Civilized World! It's a miracle that some of us have the courage to go there and suffer through bait and switch, and end up sleeping with old fat ugly overpriced Ukrainian women, while much much better options are available everywhere.

Go to Moscow. Or even better alternative, - Tijuana!

[Tits_Lover]

Just wanted to share my method for optimizing the results of the P2 P efforts in Kiev. I have been chatting privately with PhotoSlider and we shared some ways of doing but I will keep that part pvt for us.

However, there is a solid method which is working very well for me. No magic but concrete, it requires a great effort.

You need time, a web browser and Internet connection.

Select a few sites which collect all sort of girls / ads, you know them all already.

1) Contact each of them and try collect their phone numbers.

2) Take a screenshot of the girl and s few crucial notes from their ads which you consider important (e. G. Age, breast size, services, taboos, whatever you like).

3) Create a new entry in your Google contact list for each of them and associate the pic / screenshot with the comments.

After some years of this effort, I have now a huge DB of numbers / pics which allows me to quickly separate inde from agencies (I am more after the former because I hate the bait / switch from agencies and don't like to have a dispatcher in the middle). 70% of the numbers I collect today are already in my DB and I can spot fakes and agencies very quickly (big gain for me). I also developed a quite good attitude in spotting fake pics from all the rest, new girls from pro, etc. It's very funny now to find numbers which are 2-3 years old still valid and working.

Anyway, as PhotoSlider said: Kiev is very bad for P2 P please go to Moscow instead

[Internash1]

Huh! The admiration is all mutual!

Agree with you. Precisely a year ago I had a negotiation with exclusive Kiev agency over Viber. Mamasan asked 9000 UAH for 4 hours. I countered with 4000. She responded with saying verbatim:

- My girls aren't prostitutes!

- I never said they are. Quality of their services speaks for itself. Yet I would rather go with one of my free girlfriends. 5000 for 6 hours? Let me know please, as I have a business meeting coming up.

- 6000 for 4 hours!

- Sorry, I have a conference call starting now.

- You're twisting my hands! 5000 UAH for 4 hours.

- Deal. I cancel conference call. How soon can she be here?

- 60-90 minutes at your door..

Much respect there PhotoSlider; care to share the contact / details. Thanks.

[Internash1]

I have a question about girls with tinder profiles that only have an instagram in the description or say to write them on insta because they don't visit tinder often, etc. In your experiences, are they pros / semi-pros. I have had decent success on Mamba with finding good semi-pro student types in the past but if this is another avenue to find similar types, I would explore this option as well. Thanks in advance!

Probably neither, they're likely just looking for more followers.

[AntonySun1996]

There is nothing wrong with average, but when guys claim they are banging 9's /10's on a nightly basis.

I ain't see nobody claiming that.

[Member #4722]

He says 25 percent of the population is leaving Ukraine yearly and then accuses others of being in a fantasy land. I couldn't believe someone who consistently posts such ridiculous opinions is serious, but in this case I think he may seriously believe his own nonsense. So in 10 years there will be a couple thousand people in Ukraine? LOL. Since he responded to my post I am assuming he is talking about me as one who doesn't post reports. Another ridiculous statement as I have posted many detailed reports from Ukraine, Mexico (Tijuana and CDMX), Panama City, Germany and Romania in the last couple years. I told myself I would ignore his posts and have him blocked but unfortunately I'm not always logged in and am exposed to his obsessive posts. All lies and hyperbole.

[YummyPL]

Kind of interesting of the 2 or 3 that complain about my reports.

Well, I have been out of the game for 2. 5 years. Back when I was playing, I did contribute. I will chronicle my journey when it starts in March.

[DramaFree11]

Haha don't bother posting facts. He lived here years ago and his friends that still live in Kiev keep him abreast of all the current information! Hahaha.

Kind of interesting of the 2 or 3 that complain about my reports. Neither write any post report of there travels at any destinations, were I have written several at different destinations. I give examples of destinations where there are actually Hot Girls, reasonably priced. And less Scams. These guys know who they are they just continue to keep the fantasy alive about Kiev.

True I have not been to Kiev in 3 years but there is no way it now suddenly better then 3 years ago, absolutely no way. During this tine I have probably made 50-75 trips to Moscow and different parts of Mexico, both are way better then Kiev, not even close. There is a reason why I stopped going and many others have done the same. Subtract mine and P.S. Report's, most report that Kiev is average at best. There is nothing wrong with average, but when guys claim they are banging 9's /10's on a nightly basis. This is just not possible at any destinations, especially Ukraine.

I do give P.S. Credit, at least he writes reports. We may have different opinions on Kiev and at least he post reports of his travels, for that I give him credit. I have also learned a few things from his reports. The others just live in the past and do not contribute to any other destinations, not in Kiev. I guess if I was sitting at home fantasizing about the old days of Kiev, I would say it is a great place, instead I have taken what I learned from Kiev and now travel and make great memories.

[PhotoSlider]

Haha don't bother posting facts. He lived here years ago and his friends that still live in Kiev keep him abreast of all the current information! Hahaha.

The more potential visitors think that Kiev sucks, the fewer of them will decide to actually go to Kiev, spend money there, and jack up the prices for services. Meaning good girls will be more affordable for us, mere mortals.

Yeah, "Kiev sucks, everybody should go to Moscow".

[Member #4722]

I have seen lots of research. It is part of the work I do. The total Ukrainian diaspora living in other countries is about 5-6 million (a little over 3M in Russia) which is only about 10% of ethnic Ukrainians total worldwide. That isn't even annual--that is EVERYONE that has left or was born outside the country in total. The population of Ukraine has gone down about 7% total in 27 years (since independence not including losing Crimea) and that is largely due to low birth rates. There is some immigration to counter the emigration but it is not 1 for 1. Further, many that do leave emigrate temporarily for work but return.

I am giving conservative numbers, but the numbers are not even remotely near 15-25%. Even if we were to use your low number (15% annually), Ukraine's population would have gone from 47 M in 2016 to 26 M in 2019. That is just absurd.

Haha don't bother posting facts. He lived here years ago and his friends that still live in Kiev keep him abreast of all the current information! Hahaha.

[YummyPL]

Sorry, respectfully disagree. You might want to do some research on this subject. It is a major issue and has been for years.

I have seen lots of research. It is part of the work I do. The total Ukrainian diaspora living in other countries is about 5-6 million (a little over 3M in Russia) which is only about 10% of ethnic Ukrainians total worldwide. That isn't even annual--that is EVERYONE that has left or was born outside the country in total. The population of Ukraine has gone down about 7% total in 27 years (since independence not including losing Crimea) and that is largely due to low birth rates. There is some immigration to counter the emigration but it is not 1 for 1. Further, many that do leave emigrate temporarily for work but return.

I am giving conservative numbers, but the numbers are not even remotely near 15-25%. Even if we were to use your low number (15% annually), Ukraine's population would have gone from 47 M in 2016 to 26 M in 2019. That is just absurd.

[DramaFree11]

That is simply not true.

Sorry, respectfully disagree. You might want to do some research on this subject. It is a major issue and has been for years.

[YummyPL]

15-25% population is leaving the country annually

That is simply not true.

[YummyPL]

I imagine Russia IS better for the hobby but also seems a lot more expensive there. Also Kiev more of a chance to find a fresh semi pro.

I found Moscow rather expensive for P4P (maybe I didn't work on it hard enough) but had great success with "freebies. " They are certainly less jaded by the presence of foreigners.

That said, I've had a great time in Kyiv in the past. I plan on making it a great time again.

[AntonySun1996]

I imagine Russia IS better for the hobby but also seems a lot more expensive there. Also Kiev more of a chance to find a fresh semi pro.

It depends. While Moscow is expensive, mongering in some provincial cities in Russia can cost you a lot less than in kyiv, and there are quality girls there too. However the infrastructure and entertainment in these cities are quite under-developed compared to Moscow, StP, or kyiv, so you probably wouldn't like to stay there for long.

With grivnas rising rapidly and Ukrainian economy stabilizing, I doubt kyiv will remain "cheap" in, say, five years from now. Some of us would probably have to look for kyiv substitutes then.