FKK Dietzenbach

[PayForIt]

I think you are doing yourself a huge disservice by not going to Brazil at least once.

I went around the world the last ten years saying FKK could not be topped and Brazil CRUSHED it. I consider you a true professional, but if you have not been to Brazil, you have not lived the full and complete life of the professional enthusiast.

Just interested Steve - (and apologies to Dietz fanatics. Might be better to take this topic to FKK Lounge instead) - why do you consider Brazil (and where in Brazil) crushes FKKs. Are there similar venues with 100 totally naked girls? What are the prices and quality of facilities and levels of service? I've mongered in a lot of places but Brazil is not one of them. Would be interested to know what it offers to give you such an emphatic view on how much better is that FKKs?

[Kosher Kowboy]

KK. Mad respect for your raucous Trips to see the Gypsies and I find your posts some of the most intelligently written across the forums. And tho you and I differ in our predilections, I think you are doing yourself a huge disservice by not going to Brazil at least once.

I went around the world the last ten years saying FKK could not be topped and Brazil CRUSHED it. I consider you a true professional, but if you have not been to Brazil, you have not lived the full and complete life of the professional enthusiast.

I probably do need to see Brazil one day I'm just having too much fun with Gypsies. Many rave about Brazil. Maybe somehow some Gypsies centuries ago migrated to Brazil and their descedents today use the same invisible condoms I carry on me when I ride The Creampie Express to Day Care. I hate heat and Dietzenbach is an oven in summer and the clubs are hot and I think it is " winter" in Brazil than. Maybe that is a time to go.

$970 RT in Delta Comfort plus with a few points.

[Steve 9696]

I was actually joking on the AO thing but thanks for the list of all the others, helps greatly with understanding the German forums!

I was discussing yesterday with a ISG member living there about places around the world we have been, opinions of various places and despite lower costs and environments I have ZERO desire hit some great spots AT THIS TIME like Asia and Brazil, only Colombia interests me but all those places require ' moving around' or ' efforts' and I have been there / done that in many location and at 50 prefer the ' compactness' of the German P6 scene whether it be a cheap thrill in the RLD, sitting on a couch all day in an RTC or going to a mainstream FKK which to me is losing it's luster fast. Seeing a bunch of naked girls many hot in one spot and all the fun amenities seem nice but becoming unappealing fast as I think many of these 1. 2 million men you refer to (few years ago was 800,000 so it is on the rise) occur outside the FKKs when you add in the other options above and than all the indies and brothels that litter the country often word of mouth ones even.

Anyway this friend tells me if I lived there I wouldn't go often but I highly disagree knowing my patterns of 30 years and when we North Americans go we have to cram many sessions in to a 5-10 or more day venture. I thought going for a 10 day period would allow me a day off but it did not, I did ' something ' daily as seen by my RLD review especially.

One reason I disagree is the price and variance of P6 and living there one can go to any FKK or even an RTC and for pennies what is paid in the USA fuck one time and split, take 4 days off and maybe go do 3 girls in a brothel. Here in the USA I go out and probably pay $300 a week for 3 ventures but I would go an easy 20 times a month here in Austin if opportunities were like in Germany, or even the Spanish scene which is absolutely massive if one lived there but it really isn't a monger destination more a place with numerous options for locals or those passing through travelling on pleasure or business, prices ranging from as low as 30 euros some even 20 euros upwards to whatever you want to pay but it doesn't have RLDs per se nor cheap RTCs to stay all day nor FKKs making it kind of boring except for residents or those travelling and seeing things (as Triptogomont is now.) Germany also offers much more safety IMHO than Brazil or Colombia and I have passed on Sosua in this area my whole life even though some swear buy it. Variety can come in many forms and I find GER to have all, so my desire to pass (and I respect many swear by SE Asia or the DR or Brazil) is stronger than ever and truth be told if all I do is Germany and Spain the rest of my life I would die a happy man gladly skipping all the other options for the same reason I always have, not because I am not aware of them (quite the opposite) but because I simply don't give a fuck about them. At 50 I got 10 maybe 15 great years left and having done this 30 years GER and ESP is where I wish to call it a night on my career and happily bypass all the other stuff as it offers me what I desire.

I am not looking for a ' cut costs and go to Thailand' or ' cut costs and do Medellin'; I am well aware of those options for three decades now but choose DE, fits my style much more. I mean no disrespect those that enjoy those places, and I have a lot of respect for this guy I spoke to but he is a younger guy and if I were that age I too would travel the world but for me, time to settle down make one place home. I don't give a shit especially since one can go to Barcelona and fuck a woman from anywhere in the world! One stop shopping.

What I am getting at in this long post is for those that actually live there and care to share ' how often are you P6 be it a quickie in the RLD, a cheap KM indy, a brothel, an FKK, a place like Treff188 , an RTC club and any other options. I am trying to figure out how much I would spend, and see how draws and taxes (capital gains and ordinary Federal, I refuse to live in a state with income tax) and conversions to Euros and costs of living (staying) would be if I were to spend two weeks at a time every two months or living there 6 months of the year etc. Every other month and compare it to what I currently spend in 5-10 day runs every 4-5 weeks. Eventually longer on tourist VISA which I am told by a immigration lawyer friend here is easier to obtain in Spain.

I know you have been around the scene quite some time, well aware of my style and now well aware of my desire to say fuck the rest of the world happily and I know you know many a German as well.

Your stats are excellent but how would you estimate frequency of these men doing these sex acts? I think MacAdonis has said many guys he knows are in the clubs 80+ times a year. I am trying to figure out how to make the shoe fit the best to spend maximum time there yet at the same time not suffer diminishing returns if I stay too long and combine that with the advise of those with knowledge of my finances.

If anyone cares to share please do so and a PM is fine if you wish to keep your affair frequency to yourself.

KK. Mad respect for your raucous Trips to see the Gypsies and I find your posts some of the most intelligently written across the forums. And tho you and I differ in our predilections, I think you are doing yourself a huge disservice by not going to Brazil at least once.

I went around the world the last ten years saying FKK could not be topped and Brazil CRUSHED it. I consider you a true professional, but if you have not been to Brazil, you have not lived the full and complete life of the professional enthusiast.

[Kosher Kowboy]

FKK Dietzenbach looks like nice cheap club and is very close to me, but I don't want to do bareback, even BBBJ. Then does it makes sense to go, do the girls even have condoms? And what lineup is to be expected Tuesday-Wednesday evening?

Of cource there are condoms as required use is the law of the land. Is it worth going? Only you can decide although most men prefer to use The Invisible Brand an alternative much less sensitive brand is always on hand.

Tues-Wednesday evenings except a 9-14 Gypsy lineup not the 14-18 in past weekends.

Midweek evenings can be hit or miss some of them may be lazy, sore or tired others will be great picks.

Have fun.

[TomRifle]

FKK Dietzenbach looks like nice cheap club and is very close to me, but I don't want to do bareback, even BBBJ. Then does it makes sense to go, do the girls even have condoms? And what lineup is to be expected Tuesday-Wednesday evening?

[ExpatLover]

Just spent 2 days in Dietz and had an excellent time.

Good.

- Went with 7 girls, all delivered as expected.

- 3 of the 7 were super sweet.

- As always, price is the price. No upselling (40-4-30).

- No clock watchers..

Yes better than RLD but can it really be worst? The premises are updated, sauna is small, this club is really far from Shark or Mainhattan and too expensive for what they offer, on a Wednesday Shark will cost 50 euros including a LU from at least 100 girls.

[ElephantBeer]

Just spent 2 days in Dietz and had an excellent time.

Good.

- Went with 7 girls, all delivered as expected.

- 3 of the 7 were super sweet.

- As always, price is the price. No upselling (40-4-30).

- No clock watchers.

- Sauna and facilities (hot water), soap, big towels, deodorant etc were all there and working.

- Didn't run into any girls that required he-who-must-not-be-named.

Bad.

- Need a better food selection.

- One new girl wanted me to pull out.

- Porno TVs (half were turned off).

- Used to be the girls would stay a full 30 min, now once you pop they seem to want to leave the rooms be it 20 min or 12 min.

Wish-list.

- Wish they'd get rid of the key system and move to a wristband auto-lock.

- Wish Alice were still working;.

Conclusion.

Beats the RLD for me, no stairs to climb, and the girls were all much better quality and attitude. 40 e for 30 min works for me.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Seriously Kosher Cowboy, I think you need to find some more hobbies.

What happens when you really retire from the normal routine? You need to answer that. You cannot fuck forever.

My stats are 100 club visits a year is normal, more or less.

This year has been less by a way long shot as I am pursuing other opportunities.

Good you are pursuing other things, I do need to as well. I am probably 50 visits but probably headed as is with travels to the 70-75 mark. But visits to clubs may go down while visits to other venues/P6 activities will probably increase

I worry about today not tomorrow (yet); I have some luxuries that afford me the chance to live abroad and / or travel with frequency but as we age yes that gets more tiring or we can't fuck but that day is 15-20 years off. I have thought about it. If I am in a good position I settle in Spain after 60 (tax reasons) well 59.5 and if the market dies which I doubt and / or I wire too much money to Romania for sick moms, dead cows, kid in hospital, etc ( joking) than I settle down in Mexico or PTY and take full advantage of the Pensianado program one of the best in the world.

[Member #4585]

I was actually joking on the AO thing but thanks for the list of all the others, helps greatly with understanding the German forums!

I was discussing yesterday with a ISG member living there about places around the world we have been, opinions of various places and despite lower costs and environments I have ZERO desire hit some great spots AT THIS TIME like Asia and Brazil, only Colombia interests me but all those places require ' moving around' or ' efforts' and I have been there / done that in many location and at 50 prefer the ' compactness' of the German P6 scene whether it be a cheap thrill in the RLD, sitting on a couch all day in an RTC or going to a mainstream FKK which to me is losing it's luster fast. Seeing a bunch of naked girls many hot in one spot and all the fun amenities seem nice but becoming unappealing fast as I think many of these 1. 2 million men you refer to (few years ago was 800,000 so it is on the rise) occur outside the FKKs when you add in the other options above and than all the indies and brothels that litter the country often word of mouth ones even.

Anyway this friend tells me if I lived there I wouldn't go often but I highly disagree knowing my patterns of 30 years and when we North Americans go we have to cram many sessions in to a 5-10 or more day venture. I thought going for a 10 day period would allow me a day off but it did not, I did ' something ' daily as seen by my RLD review especially.

One reason I disagree is the price and variance of P6 and living there one can go to any FKK or even an RTC and for pennies what is paid in the USA fuck one time and split, take 4 days off and maybe go do 3 girls in a brothel. Here in the USA I go out and probably pay $300 a week for 3 ventures but I would go an easy 20 times a month here in Austin if opportunities were like in Germany, or even the Spanish scene which is absolutely massive if one lived there but it really isn't a monger destination more a place with numerous options for locals or those passing through travelling on pleasure or business, prices ranging from as low as 30 euros some even 20 euros upwards to whatever you want to pay but it doesn't have RLDs per se nor cheap RTCs to stay all day nor FKKs making it kind of boring except for residents or those travelling and seeing things (as Triptogomont is now.) Germany also offers much more safety IMHO than Brazil or Colombia and I have passed on Sosua in this area my whole life even though some swear buy it. Variety can come in many forms and I find GER to have all, so my desire to pass (and I respect many swear by SE Asia or the DR or Brazil) is stronger than ever and truth be told if all I do is Germany and Spain the rest of my life I would die a happy man gladly skipping all the other options for the same reason I always have, not because I am not aware of them (quite the opposite) but because I simply don't give a fuck about them. At 50 I got 10 maybe 15 great years left and having done this 30 years GER and ESP is where I wish to call it a night on my career and happily bypass all the other stuff as it offers me what I desire.

I am not looking for a ' cut costs and go to Thailand' or ' cut costs and do Medellin'; I am well aware of those options for three decades now but choose DE, fits my style much more. I mean no disrespect those that enjoy those places, and I have a lot of respect for this guy I spoke to but he is a younger guy and if I were that age I too would travel the world but for me, time to settle down make one place home. I don't give a shit especially since one can go to Barcelona and fuck a woman from anywhere in the world! One stop shopping.

What I am getting at in this long post is for those that actually live there and care to share ' how often are you P6 be it a quickie in the RLD, a cheap KM indy, a brothel, an FKK, a place like Treff188 , an RTC club and any other options. I am trying to figure out how much I would spend, and see how draws and taxes (capital gains and ordinary Federal, I refuse to live in a state with income tax) and conversions to Euros and costs of living (staying) would be if I were to spend two weeks at a time every two months or living there 6 months of the year etc. Every other month and compare it to what I currently spend in 5-10 day runs every 4-5 weeks. Eventually longer on tourist VISA which I am told by a immigration lawyer friend here is easier to obtain in Spain.

I know you have been around the scene quite some time, well aware of my style and now well aware of my desire to say fuck the rest of the world happily and I know you know many a German as well.

Your stats are excellent but how would you estimate frequency of these men doing these sex acts? I think MacAdonis has said many guys he knows are in the clubs 80+ times a year. I am trying to figure out how to make the shoe fit the best to spend maximum time there yet at the same time not suffer diminishing returns if I stay too long and combine that with the advise of those with knowledge of my finances.

If anyone cares to share please do so and a PM is fine if you wish to keep your affair frequency to yourself.

Seriously Kosher Cowboy, I think you need to find some more hobbies.

What happens when you really retire from the normal routine? You need to answer that. You cannot fuck forever.

My stats are 100 club visits a year is normal, more or less.

This year has been less by a way long shot as I am pursuing other opportunities.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Kosher Cowboy,

The meaning of AO acronym means alles ohne Gummi which is everything without rubber.

Per this attached report on the German paid sex model it is estimated that 1. 2 million men in Germany buy sex every day. 18% are regular consumer, 80% have been in a brothel. That is hardcore compared to other countries which are far lower. Germans seem to be having too much fun.

I was actually joking on the AO thing but thanks for the list of all the others, helps greatly with understanding the German forums!

I was discussing yesterday with a ISG member living there about places around the world we have been, opinions of various places and despite lower costs and environments I have ZERO desire hit some great spots AT THIS TIME like Asia and Brazil, only Colombia interests me but all those places require ' moving around' or ' efforts' and I have been there / done that in many location and at 50 prefer the ' compactness' of the German P6 scene whether it be a cheap thrill in the RLD, sitting on a couch all day in an RTC or going to a mainstream FKK which to me is losing it's luster fast. Seeing a bunch of naked girls many hot in one spot and all the fun amenities seem nice but becoming unappealing fast as I think many of these 1. 2 million men you refer to (few years ago was 800,000 so it is on the rise) occur outside the FKKs when you add in the other options above and than all the indies and brothels that litter the country often word of mouth ones even.

Anyway this friend tells me if I lived there I wouldn't go often but I highly disagree knowing my patterns of 30 years and when we North Americans go we have to cram many sessions in to a 5-10 or more day venture. I thought going for a 10 day period would allow me a day off but it did not, I did ' something ' daily as seen by my RLD review especially.

One reason I disagree is the price and variance of P6 and living there one can go to any FKK or even an RTC and for pennies what is paid in the USA fuck one time and split, take 4 days off and maybe go do 3 girls in a brothel. Here in the USA I go out and probably pay $300 a week for 3 ventures but I would go an easy 20 times a month here in Austin if opportunities were like in Germany, or even the Spanish scene which is absolutely massive if one lived there but it really isn't a monger destination more a place with numerous options for locals or those passing through travelling on pleasure or business, prices ranging from as low as 30 euros some even 20 euros upwards to whatever you want to pay but it doesn't have RLDs per se nor cheap RTCs to stay all day nor FKKs making it kind of boring except for residents or those travelling and seeing things (as Triptogomont is now.) Germany also offers much more safety IMHO than Brazil or Colombia and I have passed on Sosua in this area my whole life even though some swear buy it. Variety can come in many forms and I find GER to have all, so my desire to pass (and I respect many swear by SE Asia or the DR or Brazil) is stronger than ever and truth be told if all I do is Germany and Spain the rest of my life I would die a happy man gladly skipping all the other options for the same reason I always have, not because I am not aware of them (quite the opposite) but because I simply don't give a fuck about them. At 50 I got 10 maybe 15 great years left and having done this 30 years GER and ESP is where I wish to call it a night on my career and happily bypass all the other stuff as it offers me what I desire.

I am not looking for a ' cut costs and go to Thailand' or ' cut costs and do Medellin'; I am well aware of those options for three decades now but choose DE, fits my style much more. I mean no disrespect those that enjoy those places, and I have a lot of respect for this guy I spoke to but he is a younger guy and if I were that age I too would travel the world but for me, time to settle down make one place home. I don't give a shit especially since one can go to Barcelona and fuck a woman from anywhere in the world! One stop shopping.

What I am getting at in this long post is for those that actually live there and care to share ' how often are you P6 be it a quickie in the RLD, a cheap KM indy, a brothel, an FKK, a place like Treff188 , an RTC club and any other options. I am trying to figure out how much I would spend, and see how draws and taxes (capital gains and ordinary Federal, I refuse to live in a state with income tax) and conversions to Euros and costs of living (staying) would be if I were to spend two weeks at a time every two months or living there 6 months of the year etc. Every other month and compare it to what I currently spend in 5-10 day runs every 4-5 weeks. Eventually longer on tourist VISA which I am told by a immigration lawyer friend here is easier to obtain in Spain.

I know you have been around the scene quite some time, well aware of my style and now well aware of my desire to say fuck the rest of the world happily and I know you know many a German as well.

Your stats are excellent but how would you estimate frequency of these men doing these sex acts? I think MacAdonis has said many guys he knows are in the clubs 80+ times a year. I am trying to figure out how to make the shoe fit the best to spend maximum time there yet at the same time not suffer diminishing returns if I stay too long and combine that with the advise of those with knowledge of my finances.

If anyone cares to share please do so and a PM is fine if you wish to keep your affair frequency to yourself.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Yeah, but some guys like that sort of thing. You know what I mean.

And older too

Yes, I went in to the 50's yesterday!

[Member #4585]

I think her age is 37-43, not a spring chicken.

Yeah, but some guys like that sort of thing. You know what I mean.

[Member #4585]

What is AO ?

Kosher Cowboy,

The meaning of AO acronym means alles ohne Gummi which is everything without rubber.

Per this attached report on the German paid sex model it is estimated that 1. 2 million men in Germany buy sex every day. 18% are regular consumer, 80% have been in a brothel. That is hardcore compared to other countries which are far lower. Germans seem to be having too much fun. I met several German girls who all admitted their brothers and fathers are suspected of going to brothels and would if they ever see them would tell their wives. I said they must do this. It is not correct for them to be doing this. Commonsense to be saying this when your German friend is saying this to you.

https://www.trauma-and-prostitution....hell-on-earth/

Other German acronym terminology that is helpful is:

AF = Algierfranzsisch (Zungenanal) Tongue anal.

AFF = Analer Faustfick (die ganze Hand I'm Hintereingang) Anal Fist Fucking.

Braun-wei = Spiele mit Scheie und Sperma play with shit and sperma.

DP = Doppelpack (Sex mit zwei Frauen) oder: double Penetration (zwei Mnner in einer Frau).

Sex with 2 women or double penetration (2 men in one woman).

EL = Eierlecken licking the balls.

FFT = Faustfick total Fist Fuck totally.

FP = Franzsisch pur (Blasen ohne Gummi und ohne Aufnahme) blowjob without rubber.

FT = Franzsisch total doppeldeutig: Blasen ohne Gummi mit Spermaschlucken und seltener:

Blasen ohne Gummi bis zum Finale Blowjob without condom and with swallowing the sperma.

GB = Gesichtsbesamung (manchmal auch Gangbang, also Gruppensex, aber mit deutlichem.

Mnnerberschuss) Ejaculating in the face.

GS = Gruppensex Group Sex.

Kvp = Kaviar Passiv (Frau lsst sich anscheien) Man shits on woman.

SW = Sandwich, eine Frau zwischen zwei Mnnern one woman between 2 men.

Tbl, = tabulos, ALLES ist erlaubt without taboo, everything is allowed.

ZA = Zungenanal (am / I'm Hintereingang lecken) lick the anus.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Unless there are two Polish Milenas, someone is confused. It's been a while, but I've had a few sessions with a Polish Milena, starting maybe 10 years ago. She is extremely skinny with saggy tits and some scars. I don't know how old she is. At least in the old days she did CIM. Her specialty was rimming. I have fond memories of her tongue in my arse for 10 minutes at a time. She genuinely seemed to enjoy her work.

I had a good session probably 15 years ago with a Polish woman with big tits and big arse who also really seemed to enjoy it, but I'm sure that she is not there anymore.

The one who has come and gone this past year is often described as the older women, the MILF, the saggy tits older girl etc. Her hair is kept very short. Dirty blond. Neck or top of the shoulder length at max. She has a big butt as well sporting some cottage cheese now as well. Slight facial scarring. Definitely not extremely skinny. This one is condom only, AO nothing No clue on her blowjobs either.

I have not been with her. Her clients are always local Germans seems like and she seems to do great on weekends when the place is packed with locals and on weekdays is often unemployed after a few go's in the first few hours. She sits in back very often near Jessy sometimes on that back wall. She is nice and always doing house chores.

I think her age is 37-43, not a spring chicken.

[SvenFKK]

I'm bad with names does anyone know if the polish chick is back? I haven't seen her in a long time. She's a tall blonde with big boobs and big hips.

Milena.

Was gone this week. Was there last month. Will see in three weeks when I come back but I am getting pretty bored there. She seems to come and go 3 weeks on, 4 weeks gone, two weeks back, gone two months, back for a month etc.

Unless there are two Polish Milenas, someone is confused. It's been a while, but I've had a few sessions with a Polish Milena, starting maybe 10 years ago. She is extremely skinny with saggy tits and some scars. I don't know how old she is. At least in the old days she did CIM. Her specialty was rimming. I have fond memories of her tongue in my arse for 10 minutes at a time. She genuinely seemed to enjoy her work.

I had a good session probably 15 years ago with a Polish woman with big tits and big arse who also really seemed to enjoy it, but I'm sure that she is not there anymore.