German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Sirioja]

How is the FKK generally in Summer ? will many girls go on vacation ?

August can be slow for beauties, same like Easter or Christmas / Sylvester. Second level can t take long time off. Exceptions are Globe and clubs close to Italian border due to Ferragosto party.

[Mr Ho]

How is the FKK generally in Summer ? will many girls go on vacation ?

Beside, summer supposed to be the low season due to many regular girls taking summer holiday and clubs are slightly less in numbers of girls, I actually found most of most beautiful girls I found in FKK during summer season of July and August.

I am guessing this is because before the new law, there were some walk in girls who do it for summer jobs to make quick big cash in two months during summer. Also different clubs do switch girls around during summer the most to keep the lineup numbers, so it may increased girls quality optically.

However, given the new law, it is mystery zone once again during summer time in FKK. I am going in end of August to early September too, so I hope line up is good optically.

I went before the law in both July and August, and I did find real beautiful girls more than normal season and clubs are less full than usual, so it is more relaxed atmosphere. Many regular girls are on holiday thought.

[TeaInTheSun]

How is the FKK generally in Summer ? will many girls go on vacation ?

Hey there, most of ladies know they will get certain peak season during summer and they prefer to stay working for us during our vacation. Just few ladies take holidays on August but just for few days or before IAA on September. Then, they back until Christmas normally. July is always great for me.

[Tuber19]

How is the FKK generally in Summer ? will many girls go on vacation ?

[Takedown]

155 cm and 50 kg with big tits.

5' 1.5" and 110 lbs with big tits.

Would people here consider that considered slim?

An ISGer sent me a PM criticizing my description of slim. Another posted that these stats show an overweight person. This chart obviously shows they are both quite wrong. Those height-weight stats puts this person near the bottom of the BMI-obesity scale, a measurement that is already notorious for overestimating obesity.

[Takedown]

Not to reopen a can of worms after we already shook hands on a truce in the Sharks thread -- but the Cosmina and Evita pair bonding in search of Asian customers was indeed a real and tangible one and pointing it is not negative.

Secondly, as I said, this association such as it was, was commented upon by many many members dozens of times but for some reason you picked on a new writer, which is always an easy fight to pick I suppose.

The negative stereotype if it exists is in the minds of WGs. I have personally talked many who say they will only do anal with Asian men. Other girls, through the way they seek out Asian customers, make it very clear who their most sought after clients are. Evita and Cosmina being among them in the last 3 years, when they did work.

If a group of women are acting on a view they internally have about a group of men, simply pointing out that fact does not merit flaming in a forum dedicated to open discussions about exactly that sort of thing in FKK clubs.

As for perpetuating, if I kept on harping this subject that is one thing but that was my first time ever and a simple search would show that other members have made that "negative association" more than once and yet I did not see any flames from you in their direction.

This remains a civil discussion in my point of view. No worries there. Don't feel targeted as that is not the point. See the recent Sharks thread for worse offenders, which I promptly also criticized. Still, the fact remains, you can't deny your participation in the scapegoating when you write that Cosmina introducing Evita into the Asian specialist world by using terms like blame and dark side. People certainly do not "blame" anyone for anything good. Whether, intentional or subconscious, and whether the worst offender or not, your post was an example of the scapegoating and animosity that is prevalent.

[Pessimist]

I don't want to give away all my trade secrets. But you hit the nail on the head. For married people especially and for men in relationships in general, there are two constraints: (1) explaining your absence (2) explaining a big hole in the bank balances in case everything you have are in joint accounts.

For 1. The trick is to not arouse the slightest of suspicions. If there is the smallest hint of suspicion, she will search and dig and seek and sooner or later truth can come out, especially in these days where so much of our life exists in electrons and cloud. This is especially if you are in a relationship with a capable and tech savvy woman.

2. For the second, make sure you spend such low and inconspicuous amounts that she will not notice it. Any notice of missing large amounts can end up in 1. Above.

As a guy who has never been married, but would like to have a family someday, and now has been bitten by the FKK life, I'd like to hear how some of you married guys from the US get away with taking random trips to Germany?

I've never been in a relationship where I don't get tired of the sex. In my last 3-year relationship, we might have had sex once in the last year. In the beginning we had Eros. And at the end for me it was just Storage and Phila. As much as I would want to be faithful if I were married, I know I will eventually want to scratch the itch.

[Frozty]

Now, we can try to spin our activities however it fits us, and try to justify our actions and emotions, but a pig is a pig doesn't matter how much lipstick we put on it. If I cannot tell my loving wife (or girlfriend) that I need sex with other girls but do not want her to have sex with anyone else, it is pretty obvious that we do not trust each other and we do not even want each other to be happy. I don't know if I can really call that a mutually "loving relationship" even if we want to think that "love" is "Storgē -- family love" or "Phila -- friendship" as Polyamorist elaborated, for the simple reason that we cannot tell each other what it is. It's still based on lies and hypocrisy, to describe in your own words. Basically a sham marriage. We can probably call it "marital arrangement". Just because billions of people are in such "marital arrangement", doesn't qualify it to be called a "mutually loving, honest and successful marriage". Nothing wrong with that relationship itself, just the wrong use of calling what it is.

I haven't been following the discussion but did read your comment.

I disagree completely, although understand your point of view. I am married 22 years and am 27 years in my relationship. I know it to be happy and loving. I haven't mongered for a while but did so regularly for five years or so. I consider it nothing more than a hobby. I enjoyed meeting different people, seeing different places and the brief emotional connection. And time to myself.

My wife is unaware. I know that she would not approve. I understand that makes me deceitful, but rationalise it as fine as long as I don't hurt her. And fine as long as it is always a paid for service. Her happiness is more important to me than my own. That is an honest statement.

I'm not saying that I am right or wrong but I strongly believe that I am a loyal husband. Many, including my wife, would disagree. I understand the hypocrisy but I am self-aware. I am wired in a way that means this works for me. That doesn't make me right or wrong, just comfortable in the knowledge that, for me, this can fit around a very happy marriage.

[Colforbin]

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And I'll help you with your quest to gain the knowledge that you lack

👳.

Thank you great and knowledgeable Icculus! I bow in reverence!

[Colforbin]

As a guy who has never been married, but would like to have a family someday, and now has been bitten by the FKK life, I'd like to hear how some of you married guys from the US get away with taking random trips to Germany?

I've never been in a relationship where I don't get tired of the sex. In my last 3-year relationship, we might have had sex once in the last year. In the beginning we had Eros. And at the end for me it was just Storage and Phila. As much as I would want to be faithful if I were married, I know I will eventually want to scratch the itch.

[Pistons]

155 cm and 50 kg with big tits.

5' 1.5" and 110 lbs with big tits.

Would people here consider that considered slim?

Usually for girls, I go by height minus 10. So 1.55 cm should be 45 kg. Or 1.65 cm should be 55 kg. But if she goes to the gym and is top fit, then only 5 below can be more correct. But usually when girls are that fit, their fat percentage also falls, so the tits are small, and not big.

Result: a 1.55 m girl at 50 kg with big natural tits either has some crazy genes to give her extra large tits while still being a fitness babe, or she is a little overweight.

[Pessimist]

To be clear without rewriting history. I think the original post was blaming Cosmina for introducing another provider to the dark side. The perpetuation of negative association was what you were flamed for.

Not to reopen a can of worms after we already shook hands on a truce in the Sharks thread -- but the Cosmina and Evita pair bonding in search of Asian customers was indeed a real and tangible one and pointing it is not negative.

Secondly, as I said, this association such as it was, was commented upon by many many members dozens of times but for some reason you picked on a new writer, which is always an easy fight to pick I suppose.

The negative stereotype if it exists is in the minds of WGs. I have personally talked many who say they will only do anal with Asian men. Other girls, through the way they seek out Asian customers, make it very clear who their most sought after clients are. Evita and Cosmina being among them in the last 3 years, when they did work.

If a group of women are acting on a view they internally have about a group of men, simply pointing out that fact does not merit flaming in a forum dedicated to open discussions about exactly that sort of thing in FKK clubs.

As for perpetuating, if I kept on harping this subject that is one thing but that was my first time ever and a simple search would show that other members have made that "negative association" more than once and yet I did not see any flames from you in their direction.

[Gino02]

Gino,

Moving the conversation here, as it does not belong in the Mainhattan thread.

You say you are not trying to be preachy but you also call a marriage or relation sham if one of the two is cheating sexually. What you mean to say is that you do not intend to be preachy and moralizing. It is very much possible to be preachy and moralizing while not intending to be that way.

Millions if not billions of men (and women) have been cheating on their partner now and have done so in the past and will do in the future. I would not call all those relationships and marriages sham. That is the viewpoint of someone who has never been in a relationship. Marriages and relationships are far more complex and with a million calculations related to emotional, spiritual, financial, family, children, security and other factors thrown in. Sex is just one aspect of it. May be this is tough to understand if you have never been in that situation and I related a conversation on Clinton in the other thread, but all I can say is that I am able to compartmentalize my paid sex life very easily from everything else I do. I bet PFI and Zumboit can too and so are many other men..

Pessimist,

First, thanks for moving the conversation here and thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, appreciate your insight. I actually like to read your posts, they are nicely written, and mostly with valuable information for a forum like ISG. Rest assured, I will never even think of asking or pushing any forum contributor to stop writing. That said, we should be able to call something what it is, if a topic comes up. You and few other guys brought up the topic of "how wonderful your marriage is due to extramarital mongering", I'm merely trying to understand how you do (or say) that given how marriage and related sexual relationships are defined by the society.

Next, I think you are making few assumptions without knowing my (or someone with my point of view) background. How do you know if I was married to my high school sweetheart for decades then started mongering after her death from cancer, or not? How do you know if I'm one of those folks who goes to FKKs only when he's not in a relationship, or not? Maybe some of us are wired differently and do not like the emotional drain of having multiple lives at the same time, after experiencing many long term relationships?

Now, we can try to spin our activities however it fits us, and try to justify our actions and emotions, but a pig is a pig doesn't matter how much lipstick we put on it. If I cannot tell my loving wife (or girlfriend) that I need sex with other girls but do not want her to have sex with anyone else, it is pretty obvious that we do not trust each other and we do not even want each other to be happy. I don't know if I can really call that a mutually "loving relationship" even if we want to think that "love" is "Storg -- family love" or "Phila -- friendship" as Polyamorist elaborated, for the simple reason that we cannot tell each other what it is. It's still based on lies and hypocrisy, to describe in your own words. Basically a sham marriage. We can probably call it "marital arrangement". Just because billions of people are in such "marital arrangement", doesn't qualify it to be called a "mutually loving, honest and successful marriage". Nothing wrong with that relationship itself, just the wrong use of calling what it is.

In any case, it's our personal lives. We can choose how we want to live it and what we want to call it (or what we want to believe it is). No point arguing about our own personal believes and points of view, more so on a mongering forum like ISG, so why even discussing it anymore? We can agree to disagree on what we want call or believe about it. When you guys brought the topic, I was just trying to understand how you guys do it as I'm debating if I should get into a relationship or not with my so much liking for FKKs. I think I got it now. You simply compartmentalize your actions, feelings and emotions, and tell yourself that you have "loving relationship" and "successful marriage" despite constant cheating on your wives.

[Takedown]

I will get flamed for using the word Asian tourist) who tend to pay more than locals sometimes and that can eventually make some girls provide subpar service to men paying just 50.

To be clear without rewriting history. I think the original post was blaming Cosmina for introducing another provider to the dark side. The perpetuation of negative association was what you were flamed for.

[Takedown]

155 cm and 50 kg with big tits.

5' 1.5" and 110 lbs with big tits.

Would people here consider that considered slim?