Makati

[Lefeu]

More specifially, Ghost is referring to something that seems to happen only in Burgos gogo bars:

1) There is a barfine, payable directly to the bar as part of your tab / bill, as you depart (3. 5 - 4 k).

2) There is a separate tip (which Ghost refers to as the cost of sex), which most Burgos gogo girls will insist be agreed upon before departing the bar with you.

This tip amount, her services in the room, and her departure time are all up for negotiation before leaving the bar. As most bars give the girl p1000 from the barfine, she will usually not agree to leave the bar with you until she is sure that she can get several thousand more as a pre-arranged tip in the morning. Most girls will negotiate her tip in the bar in the range of 4000 - 6000 (and most are willing to negotiate it down). Unless something goes badly wrong, you are expected to pony-up in the morning your previously agreed-upon tip amount...

Thanks for this complete explanation!

[Lefeu]

I was just there in Manila back in March, and the one bar fine I paid covered the whole costs. Paid the fine and the woman went home with me, at no additional costs nor did she ask...

...Did this for several places there, one bar fine and that was it.

I have always been confused by this. In some places, they ask you to pay the girl separately, and other places the bar fine is all inclusive. I've run into the same issue in AC. Is this club specific?

[Drbombay]

The barfine is the barfine, by that I mean it's the cost to take the lady out of the bar which is a fixed fee set by the bar, it's down to the lady as to if it's short time or long time and your negotiation skills.

Barfines in P Burgos Street are generally 3.5 K to 4 K ($65-78 USD), remember this doesn't include the cost of sex, so that is down to what you agree with the lady either before you take her out or after the deed, but expect to pay at least 2-4 K to the lady and sometimes more depending on what you agree and how valuable she thinks she is.

Happy hunting.

I was just there in Manila back in March, and the one bar fine I paid covered the whole costs. Paid the fine and the woman went home with me, at no additional costs nor did she ask. One even stayed over until late afternoon the next day because she hadn't told her parents what she really does (they believe the typical call center job) so since it was a Sunday and her mother expected her to remain at home she wanted to lay up with me during the day. I guess YMMV. Did this for several places there, one bar fine and that was it.

[AsianPursuits]

After three great weeks in Ph I am back to the cold harsh reality of western life. Fantasy life is over, Life goes on for me and back to real life.

Same goes for my many overnight GFS. Life goes on and they will be competing to suck the next horny guy's cock.

Whomever is the guy fucking some nice 20 year old in Okada since last Saturday you are a lucky bugger.

[WestCoast1]

The barfine is the barfine, by that I mean it's the cost to take the lady out of the bar which is a fixed fee set by the bar, it's down to the lady as to if it's short time or long time and your negotiation skills.

Barfines in P Burgos Street are generally 3.5 K to 4 K ($65-78 USD), remember this doesn't include the cost of sex, so that is down to what you agree with the lady either before you take her out or after the deed, but expect to pay at least 2-4 K to the lady and sometimes more depending on what you agree and how valuable she thinks she is.

More specifially, Ghost is referring to something that seems to happen only in Burgos gogo bars:

1) There is a barfine, payable directly to the bar as part of your tab / bill, as you depart (3. 5 - 4 k).

2) There is a separate tip (which Ghost refers to as the cost of sex), which most Burgos gogo girls will insist be agreed upon before departing the bar with you. This tip amount, her services in the room, and her departure time are all up for negotiation before leaving the bar. As most bars give the girl p1000 from the barfine, she will usually not agree to leave the bar with you until she is sure that she can get several thousand more as a pre-arranged tip in the morning. Most girls will negotiate her tip in the bar in the range of 4000 - 6000 (and most are willing to negotiate it down). Unless something goes badly wrong, you are expected to pony-up in the morning your previously agreed-upon tip amount.

If you negotiate a p4000 tip in the bar for the girl at her departure time, she will earn your 4000 + 1000 from the barfine. Burgos gogo girls are relatively consistent in not running early (probably because she knows you will reduce the tip for such behavior).

This is completely different than in AC, where the barfine (up to p4000) is all-inclusive. Any tip amount you pay (if any) is decided by you at her departure time in AC. Most gents on this board mention giving in the range of p300 - 1,000 for good work. AC girls are not so consistent in staying LT, there are more early-departure runners. Possibly this is due to you having paid the entire amount up-front. She will get 50% of the barfine amount (say, p1500 of your p3000 barfine amount) later, and she is unsure if you will tip her in the morning, so running after the first round (or even before the first round, if you take her out drinking / dancing / eating for a few hours before heading to your place) might make sense in her mind.

[Joe Boy]

Was walking in the outside area where the ponds are in Greenbelt. Sat down where some other couples were near the Starbucks reserve is on Google maps. Within a minute of sitting down, was approached by two women. I'd say late 30's or early 40's. Was asked if I wanted company. This was at 5 pm and a mass had just finished nearby. Believe it or not, I wasn't looking that minute. Was checking out the area and was going to go back later in the evening.

Was asked if I wanted both, but went for the one that was shorter that wasn't doing the talking. She was short, not fat or skinny. Of course she has kids. I'm sure I overspent by offering 4000. She wanted to go back to my hotel, but I am here with colleagues. We went to the Shogo around the corner from Burgos. She had very smooth skin. Once we made the agreement, I could see the other women that were available. Was surprised as it was Sunday afternoon with families and kids around. I suspect that I could have gone for 2000 or 2500. She definitely wanted to come to my hotel and would very much like to see me for the rest of the week. Already offered to be my mistress and go swimming with her kids next weekend.

[Ghost D]

Thanks for the scouting report! Any info on bar fine amounts (ST and LT) and expected additional fees for the Bar Girl (ST and LT)?

The barfine is the barfine, by that I mean it's the cost to take the lady out of the bar which is a fixed fee set by the bar, it's down to the lady as to if it's short time or long time and your negotiation skills.

Barfines in P Burgos Street are generally 3.5 K to 4 K ($65-78 USD), remember this doesn't include the cost of sex, so that is down to what you agree with the lady either before you take her out or after the deed, but expect to pay at least 2-4 K to the lady and sometimes more depending on what you agree and how valuable she thinks she is.

Happy hunting.

[The Rose]

My ideal scene is the nightclub scene.

I had only one experience and it may be noteworthy. Hanging out outside of the night club were groups of girls looking to be sponsored. Perhaps they didn't have the entry fee. They were looking to be taken care of. So if you agreed to pay for the fee for the group then they would be your date but I didn't test how long that obligation would last. It probably is more prevalent on weekend nights. But I realized that whole deal was going to cost more than what I wanted to pay and with no certain outcome. Those who enjoy the chase might like this. You would have problems separating your selection from the pack. You might however get a threesome going if your hotel was especially appealing. Then, too, you could get a phone number for a future hookup. In fact, one of the first things you will want to do soon after introductions is to get numbers.

Like I said this entertainment model doesn't suit me so I never go to night clubs.

[MrHappyKat]

Here's an update on P Burgos street, hopefully you find it useful, if anyone can add to, or correct / improve on anything I say then please do so.

So, still no girly bars open on the side of the street that Filling Station is on, and very little activity on the bottom half of the street, hopefully we will see more bars opening up in the coming months now that travel is a bit more relaxed.

Thanks for the scouting report! Any info on bar fine amounts (ST and LT) and expected additional fees for the Bar Girl (ST and LT)?

I'll be there in July / Aug. Should be fun!

[Muttley81]

I take it all back. V8 is indeed amazing after their policy updates. A lot of smoking hot girls, didn't even make it to Nautica as I was happy with what was on offer in V8. Happy to be proved incorrect.

[Ghost D]

Here's an update on P Burgos street, hopefully you find it useful, if anyone can add to, or correct / improve on anything I say then please do so.

A Girly bar for me is a bar or club that has ladies available to barfine and take out for paid sex, the barfine can include the deed or not depending on where you are, in P Burgous street as far as I know the barfine does not include the deed, so you need to negotiate with the lady in question for what exactly you want.

Here is an updated list of the girly bars in P Burgos street:

Starting on the top of the street (there is a slight hill), map included for better understanding we have:

1. Nautica.

2. Par avion (which is the same entrance as Nautica, but upstairs) currently the most naughty spot in P Burgos street.

3. Coco Rock.

4. V8.

5. Fyre Fun Club. With the word Fyre being a play on Fire, the sign has a flaming F so makes more sense than just text.

6. Neon Nights (previously Saharat).

7. Dimples (completely different owner than the previous Dimples I was told by one of the ladies in there).

8. Lips (both downstairs and upstairs).

9. Bourbon.

Technically speaking both Lips and Dimples are not on P Burgos, but are close enough to include here.

Armors was mentioned in a report by Biggusdickus, but I haven't been there or seen it, maybe someone can add a report on it?

Fyre Fun Club is recent, it was open (no front wall or door) with a couple of pool tables and trying to be a shisha bar with some food, looks to be under new management, re-inventing itself as a girly bar but still some way to go, they have a front wall now, so that's a start.

Neon Nights has changed owners, apparently someone from Oz is a new owner, looks similar to the previous Saharat, and the cost of drinks has increased a lot (or maybe this was the first time I was sober there) either way a shot here is 50% more expensive than any other bar on the street, when I visited I only saw a handful of ladies.

So, still no girly bars open on the side of the street that Filling Station is on, and very little activity on the bottom half of the street, hopefully we will see more bars opening up in the coming months now that travel is a bit more relaxed.

[Ghost D]

I've seen on Royals menu tables are classed as Cocktail, VIP, Elite. Does the price include a bottle etc.

I haven't been to Royal since before the pandemic, but usually the way it works is the more you are going to spend the better you can enjoy, so for example, there were a number of tall standing tables in front of the DJ / Dance area, if it was early and you were only going to have a couple of beers then you might be allowed to get a table, but as soon as someone came in and ordered a bottle, you got booted off and made way for the higher spender. With this in mind it is usually better to be part of a group as opposed to flying solo.

You could keep a bottle for the next night if you were not going to finish it, but it had to be almost 50% or above full, if you ended up around 20% remaining in the bottle and decided to go home (alone or with someone) then you would loose the bottle, and no, as far as I remember you were not allowed to take the bottle out for obvious safety reasons.

For the seating areas I understand that there is a fee, and usually these are reserved some time in advance, so not usually available on the night. I was out a while ago in BGC and given that not all venues survived the pandemic, the nightclubs that were open were in high demand, so booking a seat or VIP on the night is unlikely without phoning ahead and understanding how to book.

Royal used to be a mix of Freelancers and regular ladies, I have scored both in the past, the only issue with regular girls is they (usually) quickly try to rope you into a relationship, I suspect the crowd that is now going to Royal is still the same.

And stating the obvious, in a typical nightclub such as Royal with regular freelancers there is no barfine.

I am sure others in this forum may be able to add more info than I was able to.

[LovePunt]

Other choices include going to night clubs such as Royal

Hi,

I'm planning on coming to Phils mostly travelling but will also do some mongering. My ideal scene is the nightclub scene, I've been reading up on Makati night clubs and Royal is one that regularly gets mentioned. What's the freelance scene like in Makati / Manila Night clubs? I know the advice will be to stick to girly bars, and I probably will try one, but I just like night clubs and and if there's freelancers there all the merrier if I see one I like.

I've seen on Royals menu tables are classed as Cocktail, VIP, Elite. Does the price include a bottle etc.

[WestCoast1]

It's really a shame more countries could not be like Germany with clean licensed FKK clubs (Brothels) in nearly every city or within a reasonable drive. They have, in my opinion, saved quite a few marriages.

Not sure of the marriages saved, but the anti-prostitute invective in some countries can be amazing.

Just buy a ticket, get laid and have a ball and go home to reality until the next Disneyland adventure. Don't complicate things.

Thanks for the reminder. Yours is likely the most sage advice provided here for a while and I'll try to restrain myself from commenting on generalizations outside of the context you describe.

Certainly there is room on the board to be inclusive of both the 2-week warrior (probably the bulk of us), and also the long-time regulars who have lived in-country for years? As we have the warriors, the expats, others who would hope for future mates, and lurkers here, I would think that lessons in culture might be worthwhile for some members.

[GoodEnough]

Just buy a ticket, get laid and have a ball and go home to reality until the next Disneyland adventure. Don't complicate things. It's really a shame more countries could not be like Germany with clean licensed FKK clubs (Brothels) in nearly every city or within a reasonable drive. They have, in my opinion, saved quite a few marriages.

Thanks for the reminder. Yours is likely the most sage advice provided here for a while and I'll try to restrain myself from commenting on generalizations outside of the context you describe.

GE.