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[SkittenBrever]

Laws like the new anti-prostitution law in France according to which only one of two consenting adults is deemed a criminal for what they both agree to is obvious unequal protection of the laws, and in this case, obvious discrimination against men. When are men going to wake up and start voting as a block against politicians who propose and / or vote for laws that discriminate against men? Examples are laws that criminalize a man who has sexual relations with a prostitute but does not criminalize the woman. Another example is laws that favor women in divorce and child custody, such as child support schedules requiring payment of vastly more than can be justified as the man's fair share of child support.

The claim that prostitution is violence against women because men are using their superior economic power to force women into prostitution is as nonsensical as saying a man is a victim of violence because he was forced into his career as an executive, salesman, barber, or whatever because he needed to earn a living. Anybody who thinks prostitutes are victims should ask a prostitute. The answers I've heard include these: "I decided to try it for a week and earned more in one week than my father, who is his 40's, earns in 4 months" and "I earn more in one night as a prostitute than I used to earn in one month at my regular job in Romania" and "After working here (as a prostitute), it's hard to go back to a regular paycheck" because a regular paycheck is so much more time for so much less income.

The reason why these laws are being passed, is because of politics. Of bad, low quality politics. Most people don't care about prostitutes, since most people don't make use of them. So it's an industry few people know about. And they know even less about the prostitutes too. So it's easy to spread this fiction that the majority of prostitutes are forced into it, and are sex slaves. So by passing these laws left wing parties can do something 'progressive', which has the support of the population, but in reality does nothing to prevent prostitution, at best, just reduces it at street level (but increases it on internet advertising).

In Europe, I would saw about 20 to max 50% are sex slaves. But it's always the same women from the certain geographical areas. Black Africans (by the Nigerian mafia), Romanians (by gypsy pimps), and Chinese (by debt related Chinese mafia). The more expensive the prostitute (commonly known as escorts) , the less likely she is a sex slave. But in Sweden and Norway, police are always targeting clients of these high end prostitutes, because they're easy to find, and to deal with. The police makes numbers (x number of fines), and everyone is happy. While the Nigerian prostitutes are left alone, because they're a-lot harder to deal with. They're violent, and good at hiding from police. So the high end prostitutes leave Scandinavia, with the Nigerian ones remaining- talk about the law of unintended consequences.

What really needs to be done, is to punish punters to go with women who are sex slaves, even with prison terms. More police needs to be hired, and special squads of police (plain clothes) specialized in sex slavery to check all prostitutes (like in Denmark). Prostitution and brothels, then needs to be legalized with prostitutes being taxed. Also social workers need to be hired to check on them, and persuade them to leave the profession (job training, etc). Any brothel even suspected of mistreating the women, would be immediately closed by the police (like in Spain).

It won't eliminate prostitution, but it will certainly reduce the abuse. Will such laws be passed in prohibitionist countries (France, Sweden, Norway)? - not a chance. It would be so controversial, and expensive (extra police), that the citizens of these countries would oppose prostitution legalization!

[HardKnox]

Doubt it will make much difference, just means people will be looking over there backs, all those women need to make money somehow.

What does it matter in reality. Have there been any citations for prosecutions in Paris for any of the customers of the ladies? In the US it is illegal for both parties yet it still goes on.

[Monte Christo]

All are there "amateur porn" agencies in Paris that organize gang-bangs & film (participants can wear masks)?

[Dirty Hog]

Sad day in France:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ients-38186358

http://www.thelocal.fr/20160406/fran...to-pay-for-sex

Doubt it will make much difference, just means people will be looking over there backs, all those women need to make money somehow.

[Stevie69]

In many cultures, women are victims, in liberal western democracies, they are considered to be children, not adults capable of making their own choices.

Take the comments for which Trump recently got in trouble. He just said that if an act is illegal, in this case abortion, then all adults who participate on that crime ought to be punished. Hold on! Women punished? The liberals reacted!

Laws like the new anti-prostitution law in France according to which only one of two consenting adults is deemed a criminal for what they both agree to is obvious unequal protection of the laws, and in this case, obvious discrimination against men. When are men going to wake up and start voting as a block against politicians who propose and / or vote for laws that discriminate against men? Examples are laws that criminalize a man who has sexual relations with a prostitute but does not criminalize the woman. Another example is laws that favor women in divorce and child custody, such as child support schedules requiring payment of vastly more than can be justified as the man's fair share of child support.

The claim that prostitution is violence against women because men are using their superior economic power to force women into prostitution is as nonsensical as saying a man is a victim of violence because he was forced into his career as an executive, salesman, barber, or whatever because he needed to earn a living. Anybody who thinks prostitutes are victims should ask a prostitute. The answers I've heard include these: "I decided to try it for a week and earned more in one week than my father, who is his 40's, earns in 4 months" and "I earn more in one night as a prostitute than I used to earn in one month at my regular job in Romania" and "After working here (as a prostitute), it's hard to go back to a regular paycheck" because a regular paycheck is so much more time for so much less income.

[Param Ahmad]

Laws like the new anti-prostitution law in France according to which only one of two consenting adults is deemed a criminal for what they both agree to is obvious unequal protection of the laws, and in this case, obvious discrimination against men. When are men going to wake up and start voting as a block against politicians who propose and / or vote for laws that discriminate against men? Examples are laws that criminalize a man who has sexual relations with a prostitute but does not criminalize the woman. Another example is laws that favor women in divorce and child custody, such as child support schedules requiring payment of vastly more than can be justified as the man's fair share of child support.

The claim that prostitution is violence against women because men are using their superior economic power to force women into prostitution is as nonsensical as saying a man is a victim of violence because he was forced into his career as an executive, salesman, barber, or whatever because he needed to earn a living. Anybody who thinks prostitutes are victims should ask a prostitute. The answers I've heard include these: "I decided to try it for a week and earned more in one week than my father, who is his 40's, earns in 4 months" and "I earn more in one night as a prostitute than I used to earn in one month at my regular job in Romania" and "After working here (as a prostitute), it's hard to go back to a regular paycheck" because a regular paycheck is so much more time for so much less income.

[Haitek]

Sad day in France:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ients-38186358

http://www.thelocal.fr/20160406/fran...to-pay-for-sex

[Henri Dufresne]

There is a huge anti prostitution wave occurring right now in France against the escort industry.

Raid against the pro industry.

Everyone who helps a pro in France is considered to be a pimp (webmaster, host, taxi driver, landlord, hotel owner). So, for sure, some of them may not know it but the last arrests show that some innocent people who were not aware of the girls job have been arrested. Every week, there are stories of hotel owners, lanlords, webmasters being arrested in France.

Raid against customers:

In mid 2015, Assemble nationale have voted a law where customers can get a 1500 euros fine and 3750 euros (in case of the second time) if they are caught buying sexual services. French police is doing a big job right now to turn France to look like Iran from this point of view and lot's of people are arrested.

On the other hand, it is Europe, and it is so easy to cross any borders (Belgium (1 hour from Paris with Thalys), Germany, Switzerland, Spain) to get to a place without concerns.

[Minatoku Man]

Yes, but be also aware that those ads are really hit or miss. Or bait and switch. But not much other choices in France. And certainly avoid the streets, too many junkies, and soon LE guys. If you read French the French forum youppie is useful.

On May 6, the French site COMMENT SDUIRE announced that niamodel.com had disappeared - http://commentseduire.net/niamodel-escort-girl/ . The last version own Internet Archives Wayback Machine is dated April 11 - http://web.archive.org/web/201404110.../niamodel.com/ . So the demise was between those 2 dates.

Niamodel, and several related sites all beginning with "nia" had been around for at least a decade, served France and francophone countries, and were distinctive in the world of sites for finding sex workers: that had the most detailed search engine around.

While many sites let you search for ages, some physical dimensions, and some activities, niamodel gave you tons of choices on search terms.

For example:

Willingness to accept handicapped clients. With light and heavy handicaps as options.

Ethnic origin - 12 choices.

Native language. About 40 choices.

Length of fingernails - 5 choices.

Type of sexual activity sought - 26 choices including 4 types of "trios".

It is for good reason that the site called itself "The Ultimate Escort's Search Engine".

[Dreams]

It is easy to find prostitutes in France, do not roam the streets just check these links and phone your lady of chpice:

http://escort.vivastreet.com/escort-girl-boy

http://www.wannonce.com/rencontres-a...&text4=&num6=6

Be aware that 'massage érotique' or 'massage coquine' means sex.

Yes, but be also aware that those ads are really hit or miss. Or bait and switch. But not much other choices in France. And certainly avoid the streets, too many junkies, and soon LE guys. If you read French the French forum youppie is useful.

[Alexbaron]

It is easy to find prostitutes in France, do not roam the streets just check these links and phone your lady of chpice:

http://escort.vivastreet.com/escort-girl-boy

http://www.wannonce.com/rencontres-a...&text4=&num6=6

Be aware that 'massage érotique' or 'massage coquine' means sex.

[Dreams]

Where would you recommend to go if you are looking for good accessable golf Courses and good P4P?

Please PM me.

/Kirsia

Surely not in France, which is definitively not a P4p destination, and is a second tier golfing country.

[Kirsia123]

Where would you recommend to go if you are looking for good accessable golf Courses and good P4P?

Please PM me.

/Kirsia

[LukeSkywalker]

I mean Promenade des Anglaise, the main road from downtown Nice, along the beach, heading West to the airport.

There should be many "girls" working on Boulevarde Des Anglaises.

Just be careful, many are transsexuals.

[LukeSkywalker]

Street prostitution usually brings along other crimes.

It's also a nuisance depriving others of their normal activities in public places. It especially deprives girls and women the rights to use public properties for fear of being misidentified as prostitutes and rudely propositioned and harassed.

Neighborhoods in Hollywood and Beverly Hills in California, with expensive homes, were once turned into a combat zone with street prostitutes and their armed pimps, fighting, stealing, robbing, having sex in cars and in lawns in front of young children, littering the streets with used condoms. It was total anarchy. I am glad these cities got rid of those trash humans. People soliciting, buying or selling sex in public places deprive the rights of others and should be punished.

On the other hand, soliciting, buying and selling sex discreetly in private places, that do not interfere with others' rights should not be criminalized. Internet sites should be considered public places. If they offer sexual services and products without safeguards preventing access to minors or offense to the public good taste, then they would be infringing on public rights and should be penalized.

Do give us some info on how to get the best-looking girls and best services in Brussels and Cologne.

Agree.

What this law may change is the street prostitution. It is likely that punters will be more cautious about this, and therefore will diminish this activity.

For instance, I will not take the risk to wander around in the Bois de Boulogne, risking to be caught by plain clothes police. I am not worried about a fine, but having to explain to the family what I was doing there, and why I ended up in a police van. Good deterrent.

For the rest, nothing will change, home based girls, M'Ps. Clubs etc. Will continue to be open for business.

And yes, if you can take the first Thalys to Brussels or Cologne.