Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Pistons]

Firstly, yeah, FKKs and P4 P is definitely not sensible at this time given the high risk of spreading.

Secondly, given Occams razor alternatives of (a) a dark smoked filled room of super villains creating COVID to cover up the bank and currency crisis versus (b) a random event like a pandemic, asteroid strike etc and panicked reaction and the general idiocy of the population (the very existence of religion / casinos and / or supporting 99% of politicians is proof mass delusion), I'd take the latter everytime.

That's not to say the world is awash with productivity and not enough real livable wage jobs, or rather income distribution. And so we have currency, money printing and trade war of beggar thy neighbor. Or maybe they will promote drugs to make people passive aka the Matrix and blue pill.

I wonder if we will ever get Bladerunner type pleasure model replicants, ageless, beautiful, disease free, no need for contraception, jealously free, with strong vaginal and anal muscles, suction and an endless repertoire of entertainment and enhanced emotional IQ like Scheherazade to King Shahryar who was so enchanted he fell in love. That would definitely put human hookers out of work.

1. So you are basically saying that you prefer the general public to be lied to, over telling them the truth? You know that Niccolo Machiavelli wrote his book The Prince as a parody. But then suddenly died before he got to publish it right? So the context got distorted. What a joke in the grand scheme of time this really has turned into being.

And the truth is so obvious too regarding covid-19 and how it was constructed in the Wuhan lab. One does not need to be an armchair expert (cheap rhetoric) if you hear the interviews of Li-Meng Yan, or israeli or Australian doctors talking about the chances of the four amino acids composing the FURIN cleavage, appearing naturally on the perfect place on the virus.

2. Calling it a financial / currency crisis is also a subjective idea. And I even described how without nailing the terms. Because the system is rigged in order to have these ups and downs. One can even say a down period is part of the game, and it is all about playing the game. The casino. But one can also use such incidents for all sorts of political reasons too. It is not about the term conspiracy*. It is about deep political strategies where a long range of global political think tanks with professors having years of experience are involved. Not armchair experts.

3. I will quote you "Or maybe they will promote drugs to make people passive aka the Matrix and blue pill. " By your definition of a conspiracy theory, you just came up with this one! I am not saying you are right or wrong. To some extent, Ritalin is just one example of one such pill. Used for people with ADHD. Whatever that is? A gene told to be a disease because the schooling system is not made for everyone's instinctive ways of learning things? And where physical activity is not being focussed on enough? Well, guess how much sports there are at the collages for the super rich?

4. We are most likely already living inside a simulation, and this whole covid 19 training exercise is just that. An exercise. Which is why people shouldn't be scared of death. It just means you get to test out another simulation instead. Perhaps one where you are a pharaoh, or Ghengis Kahn, having 10 000 girls in your harem. From all over the world. Or you can jump into his life, and experience how that was. After all, a simulation is a simulation. In the most deterministic sense of the word. So everything in the simulation has already happened. Present and past. Even quantum physics indicates this. But now I forgot where I read that unfortunately. But there is a deeper axis of time, and the one we are experiencing is apparently just an illusion. Again, perfectly explainable in case it is all just a simulation.

5. And finally, you fall into this pit where you misunderstand the concept of the age of the information society. Please do not look at it like an 18th century luddite just because you fear your own guilds information monopoly is at siege. There is a reason why George Soros Open Society is working hard in order to publically open up all peer review studies to everyone. And it is not because the global leaders are bad people. But like in all these other incidents some people call conspiracy theories, the final outcome is an evolution that needs to be done. But the ways there can be questioned. And the information flow. One thing this age we are living in can be defined by, is the idea through which most people think they are smarter than others. The idea that I can handle this, but given this and that, others cannot. But the information society can change that, and question the roots of Narcissism. And it does, either we want it or not.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Firstly, yeah, FKKs and P4 P is definitely not sensible at this time given the high risk of spreading.

Secondly, given Occams razor alternatives of (a) a dark smoked filled room of super villains creating COVID to cover up the bank and currency crisis versus (b) a random event like a pandemic, asteroid strike etc and panicked reaction and the general idiocy of the population (the very existence of religion / casinos and / or supporting 99% of politicians is proof mass delusion), I'd take the latter everytime.

That's not to say the world is awash with productivity and not enough real livable wage jobs, or rather income distribution. And so we have currency, money printing and trade war of beggar thy neighbor. Or maybe they will promote drugs to make people passive aka the Matrix and blue pill.

I wonder if we will ever get Bladerunner type pleasure model replicants, ageless, beautiful, disease free, no need for contraception, jealously free, with strong vaginal and anal muscles, suction and an endless repertoire of entertainment and enhanced emotional IQ like Scheherazade to King Shahryar who was so enchanted he fell in love. That would definitely put human hookers out of work.

[Pahllus Maximus]

As usual, serious discussion gets lost in arid labels and eristile quasi cult positions than any rational basis. Seems to be the way of the world, where nut jobs become arm chair experts on vaccines that have slayed polio, smallpox, tetnus and others. Newsflash: vaccines work. The problem is that like all good science, it takes a shitload of time, failure and money.

Hospitalization rates are distorted because of financial incentives in the USA for some, and no treatement at all for the poor who are terrorized going to a hospital (assuming they even get seen, having no $ or insurance and a bill for a $100,000 for admission), though more useful in countries where treatment is free. Berlin has the Charit - Universittsmedizin. I'd be interested to see how hospitalization rates compare rather than simply assume admission and attribution of causation, such as mobity "by" or "with" COVID. Suppose an eledery person presents with a constellation of pre-existing issues such as chronic thromboembolic pulmonary hypertension, multiple cardiac related issues, emphysema, weak immune system, smoker and COVID, aka a "crumble" ?

Was the latter really the cause or merely the straw that broke the camels back? If so, is the cause weighted for multi-variables or binary? Can we trust the morbidity data anymore than the testing itself and whether it is representative of the population? And who exactly is dying from the dubious attribution? If ageing baby boomers, we have another problem, namely a population bulge so that old age overlaps COVID ascribed deaths. I suggest people here read Nicholas Taleb on how stats are useless in second and third order effects, assuming there is normal distribution in the first place.

As much as clinicians desreve respect, any doctor knows from 1st year about Semmelweis and washing hands between patients. He was ridiculed at the time. The "gold" standards have a pretty chequered history, recent examples including mass prescription of opioids and other iatrogenic harm such as the treatement of diabetes II will pills rather than fixing the underlying lifestyle causes. And lets not start on the brains trust and their aping physicists with fancy nonsense formalas supposedly managing risk and regular bailouts. Or the ratings agencies. And so on.

Skepticism of preisthoods is healthy and necessary, as is regular checking root assumptions and whether the navigation system is working properly. Mursenary assumes a doubling of hospitalizations in winter one in 500, which if true, means we better buys some stocks in funeral home related companies and that hospitals are facing an imminent emergency as will the death industry.

Hillenbrand, Inc. (HI) controls the manufacture of half the coffins in the USA and is not having a boom time, and the average death rates have not budged.

Mursenary correctly states that the trade off discussion on socio-economic is what is needed. COVID is serious. So is opiod deaths: 24 in a 1000 in Ohio (much higher than hospital admissions) roughly 68,000 annually, about a quarter of COVID deaths to date in 2020.

At the rate things are going, airlines, shopping malls and restaurants will be ghosts by 2022. A lot of beautiful young women wanting to trade themselves for our money are deprived, and so are the participants on this board, and those that indirectly depend on the girls income. BJs are good thing, and so is food and sex bringing people together.

[Paulie97]

You seem to forget the first internet rule: you will always find a webpage supporting your idea, no matter how crazy it sounds. Do you know we are ruled by lizards, you don't? Awww, here is your daily dose of crazy facts: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/enter...avid-icke.html.

And calling certain claims "facts" doesn't make them "facts," which is a favorite angle of Hammer Hammer.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion

[Mursenary]

Editorials, prevalence data, death data, blah blah blah; none of that really means anything during a period where we all can't even agree on what is a fact. All of this bastardization of data and agenda-driven manipulation of them by people who start with a conclusion and letting the conclusion drive their data search rather than letting the data lead you to an unbiased conclusion is the problem in any worthy discussion of the coronavirus threat, as with most other topics.

I'd like to see what pull-out-your-ass rebuttal we'll get when speaking about hospitalization rates, something you hardly ever hear these skeptics talk about. Probably because it's much harder to repudiate the fact that someone with a confirmed positive test is sick enough to be admitted for medical care.

Hospitalizations, totals and trends, all point to an upcoming resurgence of pandemic severity across the globe. Pretty much every non-Nordic European country not named Germany have seen a significant rise in hospitalizations, particularly in central and eastern Europe. The US has also seen anywhere from 1. 5 to double the hospitalizations since September lows. A more startling number, nearly one-third of all hospitalizations are people under 50 years of age and 60% are under 65. Most of the younger will not die but.

US.

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_5.html

EU:

https://covid19-country-overviews.ecdc.europa.eu

It's not about living in fear, it's about being unbiased with the data and acting responsibly accordingly. I personally have very little to fear as I am under 40, very healthy, and have no immediate family to protect, but it's not all about me. Should the economy be considered when making policy decisions? Yes. Does life go on and do I still attend social functions? Yes. Do I make sure to protect others from my respiratory droplets by wearing a mask and keeping physical contact limited? Yes. Should 50 year olds visit sex clubs? That's a personal risk assessment decisions for each person to make, especially if one were to consider his or her own contribution to community spread. Should people who belittle the significance of a real global threat and propose fringe theories as proof and fact be bludgeoned backed into their lairs of selfishness and irrelevance? Abso-fucking-lutely.

If a 50 year old who poses little risk to community spread (aka socially isolated recluse) considers pertinent facts and data while doing things like wearing a fucking mask when he does interact with humans in public decides that his risk of morbidity is worth the sex club experience, then he should have every right to do so. It's the handful of 30-50 year olds here (I presume) that try to extrapolate their own view of their risk profiles to society at large that needs a reality check. Just because you don't see the threat in your personally limited experience does not make your experience a universal reality.

[Mursenary]

Again, you are mixing facts with your own fear-inspired fiction. Show me one post by me, where I say that "covid-is-fake. " Show me one, just one post please, where I said that "it's fake!

I never said it was fake, but I refer to facts (not scaremongering fiction!) that the infection mortality rate is very similar to the normal flu. Is this the level of your education so low, that you can not tell the difference between; 1 the infection mortality rate is very similar to the normal flu, and 2 covid-is-fake?

Despite your 'medical background' I see very few links to facts and science in your reports. Why don't you go deeper into the links that I post? What your reports are full of is fear and personal attacks, and you try to gaslight me by suggesting that I said that "covid-is-fake."

What's the point when you clearly don't know what is a fact, bastardizing good data. It would be like Elon Musk talking about battery power to a 5th grader playing with a Duracell battery and a light bulb.

[Pessimist]

My comment was to HammerTime why I cannot agree with him on his "little girls" statement. Wondering why "practical, measured and responsible" (aka "scared") others are triggered from that. Maybe this is the so called "tolerance" of others' opinions?

If your post had simply said "I am comfortable with ignoring distancing and masks, I feel my risk tolerance is such that I am comfortable ignoring this virus", no one would say much. At least I won't.

But your comment went a lot farther than that. You ridiculed the guys taking health precautions and played up "bravery" of young hookers. You don't know who has what sort of health, financial, other personal issues. You think you are able to make judgement on every person's personal life and dictate to them what they should do, and if they don't abide by your dictats, you feel qualified to mock them in public forums.

And then you wonder why you received a harsh response to such a comment.

Look, I am not one of those who is in one camp firmly. I recognize the risks posed by the virus to a large enough number of people and I also understand the real, serious economic consequences to millions of people today. There is no easy choice. I am happily distanced in my own life, making good money and comfortably wfh, w / not even the daily commute to worry about. I realize I am lucky and privileged, and I know that not everyone has the same fortune.

What I will not do is ridicule one camp or the other. Those indulging in such mocking deserve everyone's opprobrium, IMO.

[Mursenary]

My comment was to HammerTime why I cannot agree with him on his "little girls" statement. Wondering why "practical, measured and responsible" (aka "scared") others are triggered from that. Maybe this is the so called "tolerance" of others' opinions?

Right, because your post exudes tolerance. Give me a break.

[Pistons]

Blood types are also a factor here.

People with blood type A and AB are usually hospitalized for 13 days in average. While people with blood type O and be usually get away with just 9 days of hospitalization. Good for me since I am in the latter category. But it is one thing to also keep an eye on.

[Rocky V]

Sad that you have to resort to name calling and cheap insults, and of course you bring no new facts to the table.

Talking about facts, here are the facts about Sweden's deaths, compared to a bunch of other countries: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...pickerSort=asc.

You seem to forget the first internet rule: you will always find a webpage supporting your idea, no matter how crazy it sounds. Do you know we are ruled by lizards, you don't? Awww, here is your daily dose of crazy facts: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/enter...avid-icke.html.

[Rocky V]

Most little girls (eg the FKK girls who are mostly between 18 and 30 years age) seems to be much more brave than most "men" here (who are mostly above 30 years age) who doesn't want to visit an FKK now and scared sitting (and shitting) at home. On the other hand, most of these brave little FKK girls are happily working (kissing an unknown random guy from the street who may or may not have the active virus in his body, then sucking his dick bare to make it hard, then letting him insert that dick in her pussy with or without a condom, then may even take his cum in the mouth and swallow his load for a meager 50-150 euros! And repeat that cycle as many times as possible on any given day!) at any FKK or private places they can find open, without any fear. Can anyone point me to one FKK girl who isn't working now because she's scared of this fucking virus? I would even bet that back in Romania little girls of ages 14-17 are eagerly waiting to be turned 18 to hit the ground running in the FKK land ASAP.

Here is a thought. Maybe they don't have any other fuc*ing choice for making money? You seem to forget that most of these girls have a "boyfriend", who needs money, and they most likely are school dropouts, which give them no marketable skills in the job market.

[HammerTime96]

Says the guys who calls people Covidiots and such. Self awareness helps credibility, amongst a half dozen other habits that seem to missing in your "covid-is-fake" posts.

Again, you are mixing facts with your own fear-inspired fiction. Show me one post by me, where I say that "covid-is-fake. " Show me one, just one post please, where I said that "it's fake!

I never said it was fake, but I refer to facts (not scaremongering fiction!) that the infection mortality rate is very similar to the normal flu. Is this the level of your education so low, that you can not tell the difference between; 1 the infection mortality rate is very similar to the normal flu, and 2 covid-is-fake?

Despite your 'medical background' I see very few links to facts and science in your reports. Why don't you go deeper into the links that I post? What your reports are full of is fear and personal attacks, and you try to gaslight me by suggesting that I said that "covid-is-fake."

[ExpatLover]

Gino 02: What a crazy analysis, being a prostitute is not being brave it is just being stupid and mostly working for a pimp or a BF. This time visiting a FKK is also being stupid and has nothing to see with being brave. Unfortunately the months ahead are looking quite tragic concerning the covid and the number of deaths. Advice you to work in a hospital, or being soldier or a policemen. If you really want to demonstrate how brave you are.

[Paulie97]

Jeesuz. The hyperbole here is typical to what you hear on popular news outlets. There is something called being practical and and measured. One can pay attention to credible sources, understand the most likely science, process worst case and best case scenarios, and then act accordingly. Calling people out for acting out of fear is ridiculous and is definitely stolen from political speak. There is such a thing as being measured and behaving responsibly. It's not a complete social isolation versus complete promotion of super spreader lifestyle.

Correct. That's what's called a false dilemma.

https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-a...false-dilemma/

[ExpatLover]

So the figures of Sweden are just terrible compare to Norway, Finland, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and the last days will not improve the situation.