Russian Women - Opinions and Advice

[Iceberg27]

Hi guys,

Regards from a Ramadan month in Istanbul. I am thirsty hungry and abhaza for a long time and planning a new trip to Odessa in the end of month. Where are all of you?

Strav how was St. Pete?

Yummy did you receive my mail?

And Jake how is Moscow?

And another question for Jake. After the last conflict between Ukraine and Russia where all the young Russian girls are going for their sun and beach vacation? Odessa and Evp isn't an option for them anymore. Also I am happy Russian men are out of game by this way but I am still curious where all the Russian girls in summer? I think for Tiraspol Moldovia but there are some negative reports about there.

[Jake993]

Russian women are a little like jet fuel. You need to take a step back and make some changes in your operating parameters before you self destruct; install some oversize injector ports, adjust the fuel mixture, maybe open up the exhaust a little and then get used to running at the higher RPM's that Russian women require before before you take any serious decisions.

Ha ha ha. Good one!!

[SanGaetano]

Hard to explain. Look it up on Trip Adviser or phobia.ru. It is like a puzzle activity. Not clubbing at all. Moscow has lots to do in the middle of the night.)).

Oh ok, thanks for the answer. I found a reportage about these kinds of activity on the net. Exotic, but not very safe I would say, specially the pat where you guys enter old, abandoned properties. Not my cup of tea, but anyone has his own taste. Maybe I am too old for such adventures.

What about swinger clubs? Does anyone have experience on that? I recently found an upcoming event, that I would consider visiting (see details bellow), anyone else would like to give it a try (I translated it via google translator)?

Dear friends!

July 4, club "Fortuna" invites you to "Southern Coast"!

Soaking in a corner of southern landscapes and sun.

Enjoy a hot bath, warm sand and gentle water.

Party Format: Gang-Bang, welcome couples, single men and women.

Cost of participation:

Couple -2000 rubles.

Man - 3000 rubles.

Women. For free!

Great music from our favorite DJ.

Leading (I am not sure what this is supposed mean).

Our parties are held on the system.

All Inclusive!

Hot and cold snacks.

Whiskey, cognac, wine, champagne, beer, b / a drink.

All this does not end until the end of the party.

We do not skimp on the organization of your stay.

[YummyPL]

But what the bleep is a "claustrophobia activity"?).

Sounds like "clubbing", according to the hours you said.

Hard to explain. Look it up on Trip Adviser or phobia.ru. It is like a puzzle activity. Not clubbing at all. Moscow has lots to do in the middle of the night.)).

[Stravinsky]

I promised myself the next time I will make a play for Ksusha. I am learning some new phrases that might come in handy. I came across an old CityXGuide Forum where some familiar characters had some lively discussion on that exact topic.

So, enlighten us!

[SanGaetano]

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1586939Клаустрофобия .[/QUOTE]But what the bleep is a "claustrophobia activity"?).

Sounds like "clubbing", according to the hours you said.

[YummyPL]

IF this true, then perhaps you are dealing with a woman who has evolved beyond her Russian roots into something that more closely resembles a "Western Woman". Which, of course, begs the question "what's the point?

Thank you gentlemen for a great exchange of ideas. It is the best exchange we have had in a while.)) I hope it will give others some insight, too.

Really, I am not as pathetic as I sound here. Nothing either of you have said is a surprise to me and clearly you are right.

Just this afternoon I basically dumped Anna, rejuvenated Sveta, and skyped with Ariel for an hour where she spent a good chunk of time showing me some clothes she bought which included stripping down to nothing or almost nothing about 15 times and showing herself off to me.

Before I even started this discussion I promised myself the next time I will make a play for Ksusha. I am learning some new phrases that might come in handy. I came across an old CityXGuide Forum where some familiar characters had some lively discussion on that exact topic.

[Stravinsky]

I am doing better in Russia than I ever thought would be possible. I don't want to fuck up a great thing.

But in reality my relationship with Ariel is more important to me than fucking Ksusha. This is why I am asking the question.

OMG... we've lost him. He's in love.

You need to take a moment, step back from the situation, and get some fresh, well-seasoned perspective. When you first set your sights on Moscow, you were absolutely fearless. You jumped in feet first, locked 'n loaded, guns blazing. But now, it seems, you've got your paw stuck in the honey pot and you're not quite sure what to do about it.

First, you need to separate the dancer from the dance. Of course you've been fabulously successful and are having the time of your life. For the first time in your life, you are in Russia. You need to understand, any man in your situation, willing to make the kind of commitment of time and effort that you have made will also be fabulously successful. There are some members of this forum who hardly report anymore because they are too busy managing their stable of Russian girlfriends (you know who you are).

Second, you need to get a perspective on Russian women. For American men, Russian women are a little like jet fuel. You need to take a step back and make some changes in your operating parameters before you self destruct; install some oversize injector ports, adjust the fuel mixture, maybe open up the exhaust a little and then get used to running at the higher RPM's that Russian women require before before you take any serious decisions.

As to your question about the specific consequences of fucking Ariel's girlfriend, I concur with Jake, there is no reason for concern. Only American women are so insecure about their sexuality that they need to invent elaborate plots to trick their boyfriend/spouse into exposing themselves as the dogs that they know all men to be (again, need to stop thinking like an American). Russian women don't need to do this because they already know that all men are dogs, and they're fine with that--up to a point of course.

When Ariel sat down in your lap and discovered your new found affection for Ksyusha poking up between her thighs, she had all the evidence she needed to condemn you, if that was her purpose. The fact that she, and Ksyusha, were able to laugh about it shows that it was not a big deal for them.

You need to consider the possibility that Ariel and Ksyusha are just as perplexed by your behavior as you are by theirs.

So, go ahead and enjoy yourself, buddy boy--grab that brass ring. But you do need to be a little discreet about it, I mean you are, after all, a gentleman. Probably not a good idea for Ariel to step out of the shower, walk into the living room and find you porking her girlfriend. But the next time your girlfriend invites her girlfriend to join you in bed, you might try something, you know, subtle. Take Ksyushas hand, gently, and wrap it around your cock.

It's those simple gestures of intimacy that get a girl's heart racing.

счастливо

BTW - I still think it's possible that Ariel and Ksyusha may have a whole 'nother agenda that you haven't even thought of yet, just between themselves.

[Jake993]

The fact is, if I can get away with fucking both girls without losing Ariel, then I am all for it. It would not be the first time. But in reality my relationship with Ariel is more important to me than fucking Ksusha. This is why I am asking the question.

OK Yummy, I suppose it's POSSIBLE that this is all an elaborate scheme on Ariel's part to "test" you. And that she has enlisted her friend Ksusha to seduce you to the point where you show your true colors thereby breaking the faith with Ariel proving to her once and for all that you are a dirty dog just like her Russian country men. IF this is true (and that's a big IF), then Ariel is a very calculating customer not typically characteristic of Russian women in this day and age.

Because of the "live for today" attitude that has been so prevalent in post-Soviet Russia, girls of that age tend to take their chances with what they have in front of them at that moment. Opting for "Mr. Right-now" rather than holding our for "Mr. Right". Again, IF this true, then perhaps you are dealing with a woman who has evolved beyond her Russian roots into something that more closely resembles a "Western Woman". Which, of course, begs the question "what's the point?

[YummyPL]

Regardless of the reason, I think they are deliberately trying to provoke you. I imagine they are curious to see just how long it will take before you take that bad boy out of your pants and actually do something with it. The next time you find yourself with a raging hard-on while Ksyusha is bending over in front of you, you should put it where you think it will do the most good. If the girls call you on it, you have the ultimate excuse--you're a man.

And this is exactly why I did not ask you directly. I have no doubt she is trying to provoke me. My question is more what can I expect the fallout from that provocation to be?

Strav, you basically say you are a reformed American male and that in Russia men are expected to act on their sexual urges, but I often think there must be a reason why attractive, young Russian girls would go for a man like me. As totally good looking and charming as I am (not), maybe a Russian girl falls for me precisely because I am different than my Russian brethren. I am doing better in Russian than I ever thought would be possible. I don't want to fuck up a great thing.

The fact is, if I can get away with fucking both girls without losing Ariel, then I am all for it. It would not be the first time. But in reality my relationship with Ariel is more important to me than fucking Ksusha. This is why I am asking the question.

[Skwiskwis]

Bubba Ho-Tep (2002), 13 minutes into the film, just after Callie (blonde, blue top, very short black skirt) throws her father's stuff into the trash bin.

[Jake993]

Remember, in Russia, it's OK to be a man. Not only is it OK, it's actually expected.

Hear, hear Stav. Well put.

As strange as it may sound, it's the single thing that Westerners here forget most often. We are EXPECTED to respond to our most primal of instincts. Russian girls are raised to EXPECT men to want sex. If a Russian girl is prancing around half naked in front of a man, then she expects to get some sort of a response. This puritanical Western idea of controlling our urges is, to some degree, irrelevant here. Of course, it does not give a man license to behave badly in public or even to be rude to woman. But if a girl is doing something to arouse you, then there is nothing wrong with letting her know that you are aroused. More often than not she will give you the "green light" to proceed or she will slink off in embarrassment.

[Stravinsky]

As far as I know, Ksusha and Ariel do not have a history of sharing sexual activity with a man (3-way). I also note that Ksushas most provocative actions are when Ariel is not in the room.

And the answer is...

4. All of the above.

I think Jake is right, although their casual attitude does seem to go beyond BFF's, particularly when displaying their erogenous zones, it's not particularly scandalous.

The question is, should you respond?

Don't take this personal, but much of what you report in your post says more about you, specifically, as an American male and your attitudes and predilections regarding sex than it does about the dyevooshki you're with. I know, because I'm an American male myself (reformed).

Regardless of the reason, I think they are deliberately trying to provoke you. I imagine they are curious to see just how long it will take before you take that bad boy out of your pants and actually do something with it. The next time you find yourself with a raging hard-on while Ksyusha is bending over in front of you, you should put it where you think it will do the most good. If the girls call you on it, you have the ultimate excuse--you're a man.

Remember, in Russia, it's OK to be a man. Not only is it OK, it's actually expected.

There is another possibility that you didn't mention--Ariel and Ksyusha have a thing for each other and they want to lure you into a 3 way for their own purposes.

You are being seduced, buddy boy, lose the Puritanical American upbringing and enjoy it.

удачи Вам

[Jake993]

So here is my question. I see 3 different possibilities here.

1. This is just a normal and natural way for these Russian girls to act. Getting practically naked in front of a best friends boyfriend the night you meet is cool, and they dont see it as provocative or problematic at all.

2. Ksusha (or both girls) is testing me to see if I will make a move on her so that she will know if her best friends boyfriend is only out for sex or is true to her and as a way to protect Ariel.

3. Ksusha is actually interested in me in some form.

You got it on the first try. While not universal amongst Russian girls, this kind of thing is quite usual. I have seen this kind of "looney" behavior before. Makes very little sense to the Western mind. The best way for Ksusha to show her approval of Ariel's choice in boyfriends is to tease you and perhaps even hit on you. I doubt very much that it is a test. If you like her, make a move on her and see what happens. You may well end up in a 3-way!!

[Suka Shalava]

This is very strange. One person can be that stupid to think she or he can knock a adult guy down with a shot of spray, ok. But this was a GROUP of people as you describe, somebody at last one there must have known that it is impossible for a female or even two to subdue a normal built (doesn't have to be strong) man with just a spray in the hand. This is at least stupid in a collective. Even more interesting is the fact that the same event happened a while ago in Kiew with another post. Something is weird here.

What WAS the similar post in the Kiev thread? I would very much like to read that!

That some bandit-gang puttanas in another Russian city tried the same plan? Well, you can bet they're proud enough to post their 'How to Roll a Mark' videos on YouTube.

You're also forgetting, or did not understand a few key points of what went down. I had already known Tanya for TWO years, sat in my place drinking 5 or 6 times before, and she was always cool. Yes, I knew about her being gang-connected. But I've had other girlfriends like that before, where I live, and I never got rolled by any of them. One afternoon I was at work, two wasted hoes came to my building to blow me, when they saw I wasn't home they got mad and spray painted "FUCK-SHIT-BIX# in the laundry room, HAHA! Though, now that I think about it, if there was ever a crime scene on the news here about a tourist-robbery-gone-wrong-turned-grisly-murder, it was always some fool foreigner! Guess I needed to be taught a hard fucking lesson, because all I ever really watched out for was hoes trying to put roofies in my drink glass.

Tanya's plan was really counting on the element of surprise, and it almost worked. When I say almost, I really mean that it was as close as it could get. It must have been the first time they tried this. The "shot" of spray you imagine, was not a like a small stream or jet, it was really a giant fucking cloud. It was SO much, and because she blasted me from point blank and right at the small space of the doorway, it looked like half of the cloud blew right back in HER face.

The plan was for Tanya to confuse me, keeping me busy JUST long enough so her girlfriend could grab my key out of the lock. The first part DID work. I don't think in all my life I have ever been THAT confused, in that moment when she pressed the valve to blast the gas in my face. At the same moment in my brain, I did not know what happened, I couldn't believe it! But then somehow I realized instantly that if her girlfriend got the key, then I couldn't GET out, OR push THEM out. I knew if she got the key out of the door with it still locked, I would have to fight them to get it back, while they would be gassing me more, and that it probably would have gotten extremely and terribly violent, and that either I was going to have kill them or they would have to kill me, one or the other.

And it would have worked, because that gas really fucking chokes you and blinds you, but it does take about 15-20 seconds to completely immobilize you, when the fire ignites in your eyes, ears, nose, mouth, lungs, and all the skin on your face, scalp, and neck.

But because Tanya got surprised too, by so much gas blowing back in her own face, she lost her concentration for just long enough, that instead of jumping ON me, I immediately lunged at her, lifting her up off the floor to throw her against the closet door. So because I got the jump on HER, when she bounced back towards me off the closet door, she was only able to stab me in the knee as I put her down to the ground with a roundhouse kick.

Stopping Tanya gave me just enough time to get my hand on the key in the door, before her girlfriend reached for it to take it out of the door. The moment I got my hand on the key, her girlfriend grabbed my hand with BOTH of her hands, desperately pulling and trying to make me let go of the key. I still had one hand free to pull her hands off of my hand, so I did that, pushed her down to the floor, and turned the key. That was it, that was everything, I opened the door, air to take a breath! I grabbed them one at a time, throwing their heads against the wall in the hallway hard enough to fall down. When they hit the floor, I closed and locked the door, GAME OVER.

Well, for them. I still had to deal with the neighbors and the Militsia, and bleeding for hours. And that was after sitting in the tub with ice water pouring over my head for 30 minutes.

So finally to your question, yes, about the GROUP. When I first buzzed Tanya in on the domafon, just the two of them came up in the elevator. If they had brought in guys, to come up the stairs and wait, when I opened the door to throw out Tanya and her girlfriend out, if guys were waiting there, they would have a chance to rush the door, and I would not be here now writing this. Seriously.

I learned my lesson, everybody please pay attention now, OK???? ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be careful. When it doesn't feel right, BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL. Just don't associate with gangs. Always obey ALL laws.

There's a few cool places, by the way, that sell very sharp hunting knives, not expensive at all, they are very effective for self defense. The last thing that anyone should EVER get involved with is violence. Always obey ALL laws!

Never hurts to let anyone know, and I always do, that as long as they behave themselves, everything will always be pleasant and actually they'll be very happy, BUT, IF they even get ANY ideas about trying to pull some shit like robbing me, I will of course be legally justified and very practiced to act in self defense, and prepared to use excessive deadly force with those very sharp hunting knives, and that would be a shame because there will only be pieces left of them to scoop up for their funeral.

Just so, you know, they don't get the wrong idea, you know what I mean?