Kyiv

[Stevie69]

So, we have 3 estimates:

1. - Ten times the price of a haircut.

2. - The price of 3 dates.

3. - The price of a hotel room.

[Stevie69]

I guess your mileage might vary. Last time I was there, this summer, I got plenty of good action for 800-1200 UAH.

Again, I offer as evidence, this: a high quality 19 year old, for 2500 UAH, about half of which goes to the house.

http://gia-escort.com/ru/girl/karina6

Again, there is no reason to pay 300 EUROS per how, as some people here do. It is not just the money. If you want to blow it, go ahead, but a good charity might be better. As it has previously been mentioned here the problems with paying the same price as you pay back home are: (1) you might as well stay back home. (2) The girl will not respect you and think you are an idiot. Her performance will be at par with her opinion of you. (3) Regardless of how disgusting you are, if you pay enough, you can get anyone to have sex with you. If a girl agrees to do it for a reasonable price, it probably means that she at least likes you a little, and the sex will be better. (3) Whether you pay 500 UH or 5000 UAH, if the sex is bad, there are no returns. (4) Would you rather help a hard-core pro who only has to "work" once per month, and all else goes to her trips to Bali, her SUV, her plastic surgeries, and her $500 shoes? OR would you rather support a 20 year old student with her tuition, or a 25 year old single mother with her rent? (5) There is actually a small possibility that you will develop a long term relationship with a reasonably priced girl. It is unwise, but I have been tempted twice. (6) you learn some negotiation skills, which are good next time you discuss a salary increase. (7) Finally, by paying high prices you raise the prices for everyone. Stop it!

Yes, of course it is easier just to accept the first ridiculous offer you get. !

You might get a "beautiful young girl", but the probability are low. Most chances are to get average quality. Furthermore most of the time, they won't do Oral without for that price. So it means 10-20 more dollars to add. One of the girl I called from an escort number, didn't want any cuni too. And I mentionnend first on the phone if that was included in the price. Of course on the phone, everything was included.

With mamba you can get a "beautiful young girl" for 50 USD. I think that's what Stevie 69 wanted to say. However you need luck and lots of time for the chatting, it means nearly a half time job.

[Jojosun]

I am certainly no Archimedes, The greatest Mathematician of his age who anitipated the integral Calculus. I did few Comparisons on Prices between A Hair Cut V Mongering In what I consider at this time, The Mother of All Mongering Cities in the World, London.

And here are my Findings.

1. The cheapest Hair Cut In London is £6. The Cheapest Decent Full Sex for one hour is £60, as advertised on adult work.

Well that is exactly 10 times the price of a Hair Cut.

2. The going prices for good hair cuts are between 12 to 15.

The going prices for a really good sex for one hour In London, is in the price range 120 to 150 an Hour. The only extra is Anal. This is priced at 40.

More on the price of Sex.

Here is a very good in depth analysis ".

The Economist explains.

Why the price of commercial sex is falling" http://www.economist.com/blogs/econo...ist-explains-7.

"The Economist has analysed 190,000 profiles of female sex workers on websites where customers post reviews. The data cover 84 cities in 12 countries, with the biggest number of workers in America and most of the rest in big cities in rich countries. According to our analysis, the price of an hour of sex with a female prostitute has been dropping fairly steadily in recent years. In 2006 the average cost was around $340. By 2014 it had dropped to about $260. ".

And here is another good analysis on the effect of the Internet on the prices of Sex.

Prostitution and the internet.

More bang for your buck.

How new technology is shaking up the oldest business" http://www.economist.com/news/briefi...bang-your-buck.

LOL Enjoy the " Waffles ". On the price of sex.

[Volpone]

Yes. Read the forum. Even 50 USD will buy you a beautiful young girl. If you take them to a hotel, you will have to give a little to the doorman too.

Have fun!

You might get a "beautiful young girl", but the probability are low. Most chances are to get average quality. Furthermore most of the time, they won't do Oral without for that price. So it means 10-20 more dollars to add. One of the girl I called from an escort number, didn't want any cuni too. And I mentionnend first on the phone if that was included in the price. Of course on the phone, everything was included.

With mamba you can get a "beautiful young girl" for 50 USD. I think that's what Stevie 69 wanted to say. However you need luck and lots of time for the chatting, it means nearly a half time job.

[Stevie69]

I respectfully disagree. I might add that I actually study the demographics of sex, but you do not have to believe me.

Globally, the price for sex, as it turns out, is about the price of 3 dates. YOu can put one on the x axis and the other one in the why axis and you get a nice straight line, with some variance around it, of course. You correct it for "socio-economic status", you can get 3 separate lines, with a little less variance around each. Ity is amazign how the data shows the balance nearly perfect between "free" and paid sex.

What does this mean? Well, if you live in Manhattan, and you want to date a 25 year old Princeton educated, gorgeous, banking manager, you will probably have to shell out a significant amount of money per date. If you want the same quality woman (looks and intelligence) without the dating, you can save what you would spend on 3 dates, and just pay it to a pro.

If you want to date a relatively still okay 35 year old hairdresser from NJ, with a kid at home, you would pay a lot less per date. Finding a pro of equivalent quality, in NJ, would set you back the equivalent of 3 such dates.

So, it depends on the local economy and the level of girl you want. In some places in Africa you can get sex for 10 to 20 dollars, apparently for relatively good looking girls (at least according to the posters, check the forum).

In Kiev, 3 cheap dates can be as little as 500 UAH, or less. This can still be with beautiful girls, who are students and have low expectations, or perhaps like your company. Sure enough, such girls, students who are not hard pros and perhaps like your company, will agree to have sex for very little money.

Girls who are hotter, more mature, richer, more intelligent, or just do not like you, would only agree to a date with you if the date is a lot more impressive. Similarly. You get the point.

I still think that 1000 UAH is more than reasonable for most situations.

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Globally a semi pro to pro shag almost always boils down to 100 USD plus / minus 50%. So 50-150 USD will get you a good evening in most corners of the world. With some repeat discount, you will be below 400 USD with your scheme, at least until you both "fall in love" and the real drain starts. God forbid you get the idea to marry her, because that is when you really can say goodbye to the 100 USD per shag rate. LOL.

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[Stevie69]

The year was 2015.

Steve69,

Can you answer the following question to give more perpespective and clarification in your post: Were the two girls above you started out paying 800 or 1000 or lower? Which years did you meet them?

[Stevie69]

How about this sweet 19 year old from Gia?, for 2500 UAH, about half of which goes to the house (actually, for "discounts", the house only takes 1000 UAH).

http://gia-escort.com/ru/girl/karina6

Even the best independent should not be more than 1500 UAH.

Not that I 've used them or would use them, But where are you finding those (UAH) start at 2500 prices for GIA?

http://gia-escort.com/escorts

Plenty of girls at US $300 an hour =UAH 6000 . Discounted girls are at $150 = UAH3150.

And Elena US $300 an hour? I am sure I've seen girls at US $400 an hour when I first clicked on their site earlier today.

[Stevie69]

As I checked for call girls, Ukraine has wonderful girls working for less than EUR 50. Is it really what happens or just an illusion? Because, I want to plan to go there, and do not what to be disappointed in the cold Kiev with no action.

Can I bring girls to my apartment for EUR 50 in Kiev? Will they come to apartment or it must be a hotel room?

Yes. Read the forum. Even 50 USD will buy you a beautiful young girl. If you take them to a hotel, you will have to give a little to the doorman too.

Have fun!

[Volpone]

This is exactly my question.

How to find good looking girls in Kiev without being scammed?

Is it possible at all? Are Kiev working girls that much beautiful?

Just read the escort section or some posts from other members and you will find everything.

You can also read my posts from last year and this year. I talked about my personal experience with escorts.

[Schauer]

Five days in Kiey, mixed experiences. I had been there before, several times actually. I have been in contact with a slim, blonde girl, 27 years, who works the field as a "hobby", who does not charge a lot (60 Euros for one hour, OWO and CIM included). She offers to bring girlfriends, this time she brought a stunningly hot 24 year old girl who is simply wild in bed. It was a bit overwhelming. So this makes for great time, meeting with a purpose, after the finish the girls go to the bathroom quickly and clean their mouths. We have developed a friendship, I have met three of her girlfriends. She is on Mamba, if you look a bit and are of the type she likes (she is selective) you will find her.

I also tried to find a girl who I could possibly go on a trip with at some point (thinking of one week on Maldives). Met with two girls who were looking for serious relationship, and eventually was too shy to pursue, because I do have scruples, as I am not looking for relationship really. Especially one in her early 30 ies, it would have been just unfair to distract her from the very important mission of finding a man who would rescue her from a dire situation. She is nice, and pretty, but I backed out. The other girl is firmly standing in life, has a job, saves for a trip to Thailand, and is looking for a suitor. The chemistry was good at out first meeting, but it was the same, I had scruples. She is really pretty and hopefully will find a good guy. She is worth it. The first one can be found on Travelgirls, the second one is on no website at the moment.

Now for the girls who offer more than plain escort, looking for sponsorship. I found them the most difficult to cope with. Because they do actually go for the cash quite brazenly, and not, as I am inclined to say, sustainable. One sent me whatsapp messages on a daily basis for weeks before my arrival, and on the day of the meeting very abruptly called for 500 $ for the first day (the second, she said, would be free). That was before I had even met her, so it seemed steep to me, since I wanted to get to know her first. We settled for 300, but did not stay together for long, as much as I liked her. She was not my type. Cute girl, petite, 19 years old. One nice BJ, a bit of an expensive indulgence.

I have never seen a club in Kyiv from the inside, always preferred to meet contacts from dating websites, the best for this purpose being Travelgirls by a wide margin. There are fakes and scammers, but still more than enough great young ladies with all kinds of expectations and passions. And one added benefit to meeting them (I had two great encounters) is that basically all of them can tell wild stories about this forlorn country. For example about a member of parliament who has himself delivered a fresh girl every single day.

The one girl I had my highest hopes for taking her to Maldives eventually would not even meet me. We had met one time over a year ago, it seemed pointless, later she reconsidered, so did I, but she seems to have reconsidered her reconsideration. She pretended to be busy, and maybe she was. I still have her number, and experience tells me she might still write a message at some point in the future.

[AsDog]

How do you know that they are wonderful? By their Photos? Do you think that you are going to get the girl on the photo? Welcome to Kiev where everything is different from what you see on the web.

This is exactly my question.

How to find good looking girls in Kiev without being scammed?

Is it possible at all? Are Kiev working girls that much beautiful?

[InsomniacTales]

After my disappointing and expensive trips to Dolls where all the pretty and decent girls seem to have been driven away, I followed the tips and went to Star Nosorog in Podol. This seems to be where the pretty girls have gone. But no take out option. Great full on private dances. Trousers off. Grinding. Full contact. Long dances. 300 each. Whisky or juices at 100 gr. The girls do push a little bit for cocktails but at 200 or so each that's a fair tip to them. A beautiful 20 year old girl called Camilla. Brunette, tame massages but so nice. Her 2nd day only. Philosophy student. Then a crazy wild one Alyna. Both sat with me all night. 6 long dances at 2 songs each, all top quality dancing with zest, in total and with tips it came to 2 k. Easily worth it as a one off and what a boost to the mood! 1. 5 k for food and drinks including skewers of kebabs and grilled fish. Great fun. Much cheaper than Dolls but easily worth it for a good night out that won't leave you feeling ripped off.

Made the final (or maybe second to last) round of the strip clubs. Again, sadness.

Went to Rio at 11 pm on Friday. Was told I could not come in because they were full. I don't think they were full full, but one guy coming in means a table being occupied there and they were anticipating being full and that means a few empty seats would go to waste and that means a few less guys drinking or paying.

In my life this is the first time I got turned away at a strip club. And as Rio has been a fallback case for a lot of guys on this forum. Welcome to the new reality.

I was told maybe if I waited in the restaurant downstairs for 2 hours they might be able to let me go up. They said to go to Mandarin so I did. They're run by the same people so it's not a case of face control. Mandarin is actually a lot nicer than Rio.

So Mandarin. They seem to have injected some money. One nice thing about this place is they have a pretty good cabaret show. The downside is that these cabaret girls are beautiful and perfectly fit dancers (real dancers). So they outshine the pole. Uh pole walkers. Whatever. The fat girls who get naked.

Since the last time I was there they seem to have put in a lot of lasers and fog effects, it's actually a decent place to go with a bunch of friends if you want to have some food and watch the show and maybe meet a girl. Just that the selection of girls is going downhill everywhere. There were a couple nice girls and they got snagged immediately by the guys from Istanbul who are everywhere. There was one girl there who was so fat in the belly she seemed to be pregnant (no exaggeration) and I was kind of stunned. I don't know why these places are accepting these girls as it is better to have less girls and / or just hire some gogo dancers to fill in if other girls get taken for the night than to have someone like that taking their clothes off.....

[Volpone]

As I checked for call girls, Ukraine has wonderful girls working for less than EUR 50. Is it really what happens or just an illusion? Because, I want to plan to go there, and do not what to be disappointed in the cold Kiev with no action.

Can I bring girls to my apartment for EUR 50 in Kiev? Will they come to apartment or it must be a hotel room?

How do you know that they are wonderful? By their Photos? Do you think that you are going to get the girl on the photo? Welcome to Kiev where everything is different from what you see on the web.

[AsDog]

As I checked for call girls, Ukraine has wonderful girls working for less than EUR 50. Is it really what happens or just an illusion? Because, I want to plan to go there, and do not what to be disappointed in the cold Kiev with no action.

Can I bring girls to my apartment for EUR 50 in Kiev? Will they come to apartment or it must be a hotel room?

[KeepItBurnin]

Hi guys. Came across this website. Any good? Is there any website that is safe and real photos?