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01-20-22 17:55 #3031
Posts: 1801Originally Posted by Huacho [View Original Post]
So there are many things to say about this. I will restrict myself to a couple.
1. During the Delta wave. The CDC and mainstream news were all pushing a lie. That the vaccine gives better protection that natural immunity. So now can we have recognition that the media and CDC do push lies in order to support their agendas?
2. The report does not cover length of time since vax. We all know efficacy wanes. Many people in the vaxd group would have been newly vaxd. Hence the performance in the stats will be overstated than if they had run the study now. And the results could (no doubt would) be entirely different.
So now do you accept that I, as a healthy person, have a right to decline a vax and take my risks with the virus? I prefer to seek natural immunity. Hell, I could even get a booster of natural immunity with Omicon! Hehe. My own body is my best defensive weapon.
It will be very interesting to see what the CDC publishes WRT Omicron. It says data will be released this week. . And we must all recognise by now that Omicron is just the latest. There will be many new variants in the future, each with their own set of outcomes. Do you plan to take a course in vax acupuncture to cover all your bases Huacho? Hehe.
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01-20-22 07:21 #3030
Posts: 3256Originally Posted by Huacho [View Original Post]
https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/12...ing-the-virus/
Then you look at the CDC's own site and they say reinfection is rare and they do not have reinfection data: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...infection.html.
"In general, reinfection means a person was infected (got sick) once, recovered, and then later became infected again. Based on what we know from similar viruses, some reinfections are expected."
So the CDC does do not have even one example of Covid reinfection. They know reinfection happens with other viruses though.
Then you have this study. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2108120.
Of 353,000 people who were sick with Covid, allegedly 1300 got reinfected and of those, 4 were hospitalized. None died and none were even in the ICU.
Yes, Haucho, you have drunk so much of the Kool Aid that you are cool with our spending money to vaccinate 353,000 people to prevent 4 reinfections that resulted in hospitalization. Maybe if 350,000 people get vaccinated, we can get that number down to 3.
The definition of reinfection "was defined as the first PCR-positive swab obtained at least 90 days after the primary infection."
But even that definition is not enough because you have to extract out those who have been reinfected versus those who have the virus reactivated. Here is a study where they showed that a number of "reinfected" patients actually were those in whom the virus was reactivated.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8604456/
And that 90 day cutoff was not sufficient to distinguish between reactivation and reinfection. So even 4 out of 353,000 may be too much.
At least in that study, they show 12 examples of people who had Covid and got infected later with a different strain. So there you go there are actually 12 people in the whole world who have been definitely been reinfected with Covid. Thing is that none had two severe infections.
As for why, the answer is here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8025942/.
It seems like if you have a mild case of Covid, your body might not produce any antibodies: This result was strongly associated with disease severity and presence of symptoms. Although 11% of 308 asymptomatic patients did not develop antibodies, none of the 79 patients hospitalized for COVID-19 were seronegative.
So when Dr. McCollough went on Joe Rogan's podcast and said that no one has ever been reinfected with Covid, you could point out that he is wrong here. What is better to say is that no one has proof that anyone has ever had two severe Covid infections and since the Covid vaccine is only supposed to prevent you from having severe disease, what the fuck is the point of giving it?
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01-20-22 02:08 #3029
Posts: 704https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pa...P1d?li=BBnb7Kz
I'm sure the anti-vaxxers will jump on this. What is says is:
1) During Delta, people with prior infections and no vax did better than people with vax and no prior infection, in terms of infection rate.
2) But vaxxed still did better than unvaxxed with prior infections, in terms of HOSPITALIZATIONS.
3) People who'd had covid and were vaxxed did the best.
4) All this relates to Delta and cannot be extrapolated to Omicron.
From #1 and #3 I'd conclude that natural immunity certainly exists. I never said it didn't, just that I doubted it was as good as being vaxxed. So, this particular fairly large study contradicts what I said here. I'll own that. But focus on #2 and #3, and the conclusion is pretty clear: getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system.
#4, of course, is just disturbing but not surprising, since each variant seems fairly different. I'll just go with being double vaxxed and boosted and hope now that I've had three government microchips injected to control my brain and movements instead of just two, maybe they can form some kind of coalition government in my brain.
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01-19-22 20:53 #3028
Posts: 665Choice?
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
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01-19-22 20:17 #3027
Posts: 1801Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
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01-19-22 20:06 #3026
Posts: 1801Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
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01-19-22 14:37 #3025
Posts: 1801Originally Posted by Lou32 [View Original Post]
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01-19-22 14:31 #3024
Posts: 1801Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
But TBH my position wouldn't change if none of that was true.
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01-19-22 13:33 #3023
Posts: 1056Glen Greenwald John Pilger
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
Greenwald's favourites are cute, male Brazilian orphans.
John Pilger is 82. Not Greenwald's type.
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01-19-22 13:05 #3022
Posts: 430Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
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01-19-22 12:44 #3021
Posts: 1801It's not left v right, it's libertarians v authoritarians
This is a superb analysis of the Djorkovic saga by Glenn Greenwald, and a presentation on that this landmark decision means to Australia and the signals it sends to the rest of the world.
As I have said all along, this is a fight against creeping authoritarianism, not a bttle between left and right. It is right wing governments that are at the heart of this deeply foreboding shift to authritarianism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dJZuAHriNQ
Glenn Greenwald is a real shining beacon in a dark dark world of sycophantic jornalism. He is my facourite, along with John Pilger. He speaks honestly, and puts his own life at risk for the honour of doing the right thing (see Assange, Bolsoonaro, and other handlings of potent leaks). He is also proudly leftist, although the mainstream media have unbelievably and qiute disgustingly started to smear him as having lost his left values. He is so good in fact, that I am quite surprised he is still alive at this stage.
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01-19-22 07:40 #3020
Posts: 3256Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
What separates the USA is a spirit of dissent. The problem in our country now is the dissent now is not being directed at government or those in government being wrong but whatever your party you are not in. But even then I am not sure whether that is new or those foolish dissenters are getting more air time. The media model to make money is or rather was to sew partisan dissent.
What is happening now is a new model to get to the truth but that does allow media to make money, even huge money, is coming to be. Joe Rogan's interviews with Dr. Malone and McCollough have had an estimated audience of 40 million. Those are not super bowl ratings but playoff ratings. Matt Taibbi and Glen Greenwald are killing it now.
Huacho thinks imitating what a raging talking head on MSNBC says will make him popular because others will think he is knowledgeable about the virus. Is that new? I do not think so. I just think in the past people rolled their eyes at it, and they will again IMO.
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01-19-22 06:46 #3019
Posts: 3256Originally Posted by JjBee62 [View Original Post]
If that makes you feel better, have at it. If that is what happened, it changes nothing from what I have said previously, and I am not going into why.
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01-19-22 05:46 #3018
Posts: 2579Check this out
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
From the comment section.
Yachtman • 12 hours ago.
Kirk: Spock do we know anything about these humanoids? Spock: Yes Captain their population is huge, 7.7 billion. They have achieved limited space travel and have mastered digital communication. Kirk: Why has the United Federation been getting help pleas from them? Spock: After their industrial revolution a middle class was created that threatened the hegemonies of the ruling class. The ruling classes created political entities that sapped the wealth from the middle classes and distributed it to the lower classes. They called it Communism. Kirk: Where do they stand now who is calling for our help? Spock: We believe it is the subservient intellectuals that have figure out how to communicate with us. They talk of the oppression of the masses by a small elite group of hyper despots who have huge power and wealth. Kirk: How are they not overtaken by the masses? Spock: Their control over organizations and governments has grown over the past 40 years. They initiated a pandemic recently where they forced the people to be chemically inoculated. Their DNA was modified for submission. Kirk: We have run into other planets that have tried this and failed miserably, the TV audience has seen this! They boldly go where no men have gone before!
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01-19-22 02:08 #3017
Posts: 5483Sorry, I've got some time to kill and don't feel like taking a nap.
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
What was the cause of the alleged death of the mystery sister? What was her Covid status? What were her symptoms? Who were her attending physicians? Who certified her death? What cause of death was originally entered? Did the physician agree to reissue the death certificate with a changed cause of death?
Those are just a few of the questions which require answers before deciding whether 1 death, out of 850 k deaths provides sufficient cause to reexamine all 850 k deaths. Actually, even if the alleged sister died from something completely unrelated to Covid, with 20 negative Covid tests and the doctor changed the death certificate without blinking, it doesn't invalidate 850 k other deaths. At the very least you need 8500 fully documented cases of deaths falsely attributed to Covid, in the US, to even suggest a problem with the numbers.
Even that doesn't show the numbers are inflated over 1000%, as you've claimed. You would need at least another 47,000 worldwide, fully documented cases of death wrongfully attributed to Covid, distributed by country, at 1% of registered deaths for each country to even suggest a statistical anomaly, although it would still be insignificant. To get to the level you have recently claimed, less than 80,000 Covid deaths in the US, you're going to need, at a bare minimum, 420,000 fully documented cases of doctors attributing deaths unrelated to Covid as caused by Covid.
As I'm sure I've mentioned before, that's always the problem with crackpot conspiracy theories shared by idiots. They require literally millions of people, without any coordination, without any incentive, to all behave in the same manner which puts their livelihood at risk. For what?
Let's look at the alleged doctor, mentioned by the anti-vax nut. What does he get out of it? $9,000 doesn't go far when you have a funeral to pay for. I doubt there's enough left over to bribe a doctor to do something which could cause professional problems.
How about the family? By getting the doctor to issue a false death certificate, they've given up their rights, all for $9,000. What if the death could have been attributed to a medical mistake? It's going to be impossible to go back and sue the hospital when you already had the death falsely attributed to Covid.
The conspiracy gets even more impossible if you think about it, assuming you had the ability to think. In order for it to work you need nearly every employee, in every hospital worldwide, nearly every employee at every health and life insurance company, plus every employee at every public health agency, plus every family member of every person whose death or serious illness was attributed to Covid to all agree to the same false story. Sure there's some overlap, but at a minimum 1 billion people have to all have agreed to pretend there's some disease called Covid.