Stupid shit in Medellin

[JjBee62]

So if you worked at Enron and Ken Lay told you to put 20% in your 401 K...Or you were on Apollo 13 and the engineers said all systems go...

Apples and oranges.

If I'm playing poker and the guy sitting next to me tells me I should go all in, I'm not sure he's got my best interest in mind. If my boss starts telling me I need to dump all my money into company stock, I'm looking for a new job. He wasn't hired to administer employee retirement plans.

On Apollo 13, yes. Because all systems were go. Then shit went sideways.

On health matters I talk to my doctors, I do my research and I try to make an informed decision. Have I been doing it wrong? Because if you believe I should get all my medical advice from someone who has demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge or even sanity (remember the UV light and disinfectant insanity?) on the subject, I'm going to have to give it a pass.

[Paulie97]

True. There used to be something called redlining in the USA where when Black people thought they were free to buy houses anywhere they wanted, there were certain White people that exercised the freedom to halt their attempt. And there were other cases where some would just come burn them out if nothing else worked.

You are an expert in logical fallacies, literally covering the whole gamet on a weekly basis, and that's a conservative estimate. This time it's a fake analogy. White over black, demonstrated racial injustices have nothing to do with this. Yes we will insist on vaccines, and in some cases masks to protect society from the SARS-2 that couldn't care less what your race or politics is. That's just as we forced hospitalized TB patients in the past with SCOTUS approval, and have mandated vaccines for other serious illnesses. Hell I remember having to eat the Polio vaccine sugarcubes at school. No one complained, yet Newsmax and Tucker weren't around, nor any all varieties right wingnut blogs for anyone with $50 for a smartphone to read. Yet you want to compare this to Jim Crow and lynchings. Give me a fucking break. I know you want to be a black conservative but you need to get much better at it. Right now you are just one step up from those Appalacian dipshits that tore up the Capital.

[JjBee62]

I was saying that the general public will give you accolades for serving in the military then on the other hand those same people will tell those same veterans they are not shit if they don't want to get the vaccine. Which is it? Am I the best ever, or am I a piece of shit? Or does it just depend on which side of the issue I stand on at the moment? Same as everyone was labeled heros and essential workers this time last year. Now if those same people don't want the vaccine they don't even deserve to feed their families; fired!

I'm right there with you on that subject. The same people who were spitting on me, spilling drinks on me, trying to start fights with me, even throwing beer bottles at me in 1981 because I was wearing the uniform are the same people waving their flags and saying "thank you for your service" today. And the same people who were standing on overpasses with signs saying "thank you truckers" are flipping off and screaming at truckers today.

I've never understood the whole hero worship crap. All the people who say that everyone in the military is a hero never spent any time in the military. You know as well as I that you were more likely to have your shit stolen by a shipmate than by anyone else. Same thing goes for any other occupation. All cops aren't saints, all nurses aren't Florence Nightingale.

[Paulie97]

So if you worked at Enron and Ken Lay told you to put 20% in your 401 K...Or you were on Apollo 13 and the engineers said all systems go...

What the hell does this have to do with the price of fish oil in Thailand? The data is in. Vaccinations reduce infections and contagion and thus spread. You don't even need "experts," but only a break from fake right wingnut media. Be a human being rather than a selfish twit and get one. It won't hurt too much. I promise.

[Paulie97]

I was saying that the general public will give you accolades for serving in the military then on the other hand those same people will tell those same veterans they are not shit if they don't want to get the vaccine. Which is it? Am I the best ever, or am I a piece of shit? Or does it just depend on which side of the issue I stand on at the moment? Same as everyone was labeled heros and essential workers this time last year. Now if those same people don't want the vaccine they don't even deserve to feed their families; fired!

There's no end to your faulty reasoning, this time creating a fake distinction followed by a question which is a fake dilemma. Essential workers were typically required by governments or private employers to wear masks, as the same were proven to slow the spread of a deadly and destructive virus. And now that the vaccines are proven to do likewise, the same applies. Really simple, but you are a selfish crybaby, promoting nonsense that is costing lives, that doesn't deserve to feed your family, but hopefully someone else will.

[Mr Enternational]

Most people don't understand freedom. What they want instead of freedom, which you already have, is freedom from consequences. Anything you can imagine you have the freedom to attempt. However, others and society have the freedom to halt your attempt, or impose consequences. The consequences are often not equitably applied, but they are there.

True. There used to be something called redlining in the USA where when Black people thought they were free to buy houses anywhere they wanted, there were certain White people that exercised the freedom to halt their attempt. And there were other cases where some would just come burn them out if nothing else worked.

[Mr Enternational]

If the advice of someone who knows absolutely nothing about a subject runs contrary to the advice of all the experts on the subject, it doesn't seem difficult to decide which path to take. If all the experts on the subject give advice, do you wait to find out if the person who knows nothing on the subject agrees, before making a decision?

So if you worked at Enron and Ken Lay told you to put 20% in your 401 K...Or you were on Apollo 13 and the engineers said all systems go...

[Mr Enternational]

Maybe there were some drastic changes between when I served and when you served. When I was in boot camp. They didn't ask me how I wanted my hair cut, didn't ask what style of uniforms I wanted to wear and didn't ask which vaccines I wanted. They didn't even tell me which vaccines I was receiving. They also didn't ask if my wisdom teeth were causing me any problem. They just told me they were going to remove them. So the idea that members of the military should be allowed to make decisions about vaccines is completely foreign to me.

When you swear the oath, you hand your balls to the government, knowing they are under no obligation to return them.

I was saying that the general public will give you accolades for serving in the military then on the other hand those same people will tell those same veterans they are not shit if they don't want to get the vaccine. Which is it? Am I the best ever, or am I a piece of shit? Or does it just depend on which side of the issue I stand on at the moment? Same as everyone was labeled heros and essential workers this time last year. Now if those same people don't want the vaccine they don't even deserve to feed their families; fired!

[The Cane]

So I think first we need to understand well what freedom we are talking about.

Nice discourse LOL. But here, it's quite plain to see what we're talking about. That would be the freedom to choose whether to be vaccinated against COVID or not. That's what we're talking about. In case anybody didn't know.

[JustTK]

What I often say is that it isn't "freedom" that some people are talking about, but rather "license" (the ability to act with wantonness or disregard). People (especially Americans) are quick to assert their rights, but not too quick to acknowledge their obligations. They're all about freedom of self-expression, but have little time for self-restraint. It's all about them and what they want to do (or not do) when and where and how.

Freedom is a very broad subject. I see little point on criticising or objecting to someone else's interpretation of it unless it is clear in what sense they are referring to it. One could mean freedom of choice, freedom of expression, of movement, from prison. There are countless ways in which we can discuss freedom.

A great example of it is when I discuss politics with liberals or conservatives. Typically they insist that they would hate to live under communism or socialism bcos it would take away their freedom. BUt, apart from that being a complete misunderstanding of both communism or socialism, I typcially respond with. So when we consider freedom, we cannot simply think of our own personal liberty, we need to consider that of society as well, because it is a part of us; it is who we are. There is no freedom in notions of exploitation, individualisation and atomisation. Freedom is found in egalitarianism, in the common good of constructing an ideal world for all sentient beings.

"To be free is not merely to cast off one's own chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others". Nelson Mandela.

So I think first we need to understand well what freedom we are talking about.

[JustTK]

Hear hear .... awesome quote

That's 2 friendly replies in one day. Whats wrong w you? Were you drunk? Hehe.

[The Cane]

Most people don't understand freedom. What they want instead of freedom, which you already have, is freedom from consequences. Anything you can imagine you have the freedom to attempt. However, others and society have the freedom to halt your attempt, or impose consequences. The consequences are often not equitably applied, but they are there. You're free not to get vaccinated, but like everything else, there may be consequences.

Amen brother! What I often say is that it isn't "freedom" that some people are talking about, but rather "license" (the ability to act with wantonness or disregard). People (especially Americans) are quick to assert their rights, but not too quick to acknowledge their obligations. They're all about freedom of self-expression, but have little time for self-restraint. It's all about them and what they want to do (or not do) when and where and how. But you know what? If you don't want to get vaccinated? Fine. But, you're not going to have your cake and eat it too. There will be consequences. You don't get to travel and / or you have restrictions placed upon you that the vaccinated traveler doesn't face. Don't want to vaccinate your kids either? OK, then they don't get to go to school. And when you get up tomorrow morning? You just may not have a job to go to that pays your bills. Consequences! Do as you please. But you best be prepared to accept the consequences. Far too many people aren't. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Nope! When it comes to fighting COVID, we're done with that. Get vaxxed or get axed! As they say in Thailand, up to you.

[PVMonger]

---SNIP--- Same as me being a military veteran.

Were you "forced" to get vaccinated during basic training? Was every recruit? Did they have a choice?

[BlackThought]

https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/17/l...onomy-matters/

What's the matter coward? Don't have a passport to prove your extensive mongering experience? Jajaj LOL. You've gotten exposed and ran out of the threads lmao. Haven't seen anything so pathetic jajaj.

[JjBee62]

Please list any member of the "right-wing" who is advocating for others to not get vaccinated. As for politics, this is what Kamala Harris said about the vaccine in the Vice Presidential debate in October of last year "If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it.".

I'll just list one: Rand Paul.

As for your closing comment, let me put it into perspective. If your local garbage collector tells you that you need to have a double bypass surgery, are you going to rush to the hospital to schedule the surgery? Or would you take the advice of a cardiologist over the advice of a garbage collector on matters of cardiology? Take all the time you need to think it over.

Has the light bulb clicked on yet?

If you go back and read your quote here's what it boils down to:

If Fauci said get the vaccine and Trump said don't get the vaccine, she would have gotten the vaccine. If Fauci said get the vaccine and Trump said get the vaccine, she would have gotten the vaccine. If both said don't get the vaccine, she wouldn't have gotten the vaccine. However, if Fauci said don't get the vaccine, but Trump said get the vaccine, she would have taken the advice of someone who is recognized around the world as one of the foremost experts over someone with zero credentials.

Does that seem wrong to you? Because it seems perfectly normal to me.

If the advice of someone who knows absolutely nothing about a subject runs contrary to the advice of all the experts on the subject, it doesn't seem difficult to decide which path to take. If all the experts on the subject give advice, do you wait to find out if the person who knows nothing on the subject agrees, before making a decision?

And it doesn't matter to me whether the advice comes from a Republican or Democrat. I refuse to consider medical advice from someone who is not qualified over someone who is qualified.