Kyiv

[Jojosun]

Thank you Luis.

You make an interesting point. Personally I don't mind paying for the right girl I just wasn't sure if there were any additional charges. I stay in high end hotels and l expect to pay high end prices for my girls as well as my accommodation. If the said lady was just checking that I'll pay then for me that's no different than presenting your credit card when you check into a hotel. I respect her professionalism.

Personally I don't buy into this idea that the bigger spenders spoil the market for everyone else. Ukrainian girls are smart enough to know you charge the rich guy more than the poor guy because there are not enough rich guys to go round. What I do think has happened and has not been commented on is that $ P4P prices have not decreased to reflect the devaluation of the Hryvnia. For a Ukrainian $100 is now worth more than it was 2 years ago and yet $ prices for girls have not changed. This means a girl in Skybar or Avalon only has to get one guy to pay 300 plus and she's set for the month: the rents paid. That I suspect is what's affecting supply. It's not that people like me are paying more it's because we're paying the same but in $.

I agree with you that Ukrainian women are angry. I think the whole of Ukraine is angry. They were promised the West but have been left with nothing.

Personally I'm just looking for the right deal for me. Right girl, right price I am happy. Each to their own.

Very well said. From what you say, you will meet what you want in Kiev. The only scam by Mamba girl I can think of is being taken to a really expensive restaurant on your first dinner date (A restaurant of her choice, but you can check prices first) and she would take her % cut as a kickback, But so what, if she is to your liking and you're willing to pay if it leads on to sex?

Even if this turns out to be a scam, then lesson is learned and there are plenty of Mermaids left in the Dnipro for you to dip your toes into the water.

Kiev is full and easy to meet a lot of interesting girl everywhere. 4 millions people majority beautiful girl.

A lot of girl have left the country, but I repeat 4 million people and more now, there are pussy for all the western europe in Kiev..

[SgtBoyle2]

Thank you Luis.

You make an interesting point. Personally I don't mind paying for the right girl I just wasn't sure if there were any additional charges. I stay in high end hotels and l expect to pay high end prices for my girls as well as my accommodation. If the said lady was just checking that I'll pay then for me that's no different than presenting your credit card when you check into a hotel. I respect her professionalism.

Personally I don't buy into this idea that the bigger spenders spoil the market for everyone else. Ukrainian girls are smart enough to know you charge the rich guy more than the poor guy because there are not enough rich guys to go round. What I do think has happened and has not been commented on is that $ P4P prices have not decreased to reflect the devaluation of the Hryvnia. For a Ukrainian $100 is now worth more than it was 2 years ago and yet $ prices for girls have not changed. This means a girl in Skybar or Avalon only has to get one guy to pay €300 plus and she's set for the month: the rents paid. That I suspect is what's affecting supply. It's not that people like me are paying more it's because we're paying the same but in $.

I agree with you that Ukrainian women are angry. I think the whole of Ukraine is angry. They were promised the West but have been left with nothing.

Personally I'm just looking for the right deal for me. Right girl, right price I am happy. Each to their own.

[InsomniacTales]

Wondering whether my brother mongers have had any similar experiences. Due in to Kiev at the end of the month and so duly started the trawl through Mamba. Making little headway, it's getting tougher, when I got a reply from an attractive (8/9) lady in her mid 20's. Chat then followed and she seemed like a regular girl, no mention of money and happy to just talk. She asked me to send further photos which I did and then when I asked for her to send me some she suddenly announced she was a webcam model. Sent me her link but made it clear it was up to me whether I looked. Well of course I couldn't resist although I've never been into the web cam scene. I have no objection to P4P when it comes to Mamba girls.

She turns out to be even more beautiful in the flesh.

Still writes to me as before and says she's keen to meet for dinner as we previously agreed. In all respects seems a true find but worrying if I'm missing something. Is this just another scam? Have other mongrels similar experiences? It's a new one on me.

Doesn't sound like a scam and what you see is probably what you get. Probably. But expect to pay up and don't get too attached. I got scammed just once and that was by the visioneve dating agency. I was a novice on my first trip and they fleeced me 200 euro and didn't fix any dates. Your cam girl seems genuine and she will be spinning a dozen like you. At least she's upfront. Literally! Last year I spent a few weeks on and off with one, student, early 20's, then when she thought I was wandering off she emailed me and asked for 5 k dollars for her 'fathers medical treatment'. When I replied that my friends run a medical charity and would fly him out for treatment and asked for his medical reports to pass along, she went very coy and shy. So even the sweetest looking ones have history, often lots, and even the freebies get greedy when they see all their friends milking us.

Good luck!

[LuisVega11]

Wondering whether my brother mongers have had any similar experiences. Due in to Kiev at the end of the month and so duly started the trawl through Mamba. Making little headway, it's getting tougher, when I got a reply from an attractive (8/9) lady in her mid 20's. Chat then followed and she seemed like a regular girl, no mention of money and happy to just talk. She asked me to send further photos which I did and then when I asked for her to send me some she suddenly announced she was a webcam model. Sent me her link but made it clear it was up to me whether I looked. Well of course I couldn't resist although I've never been into the web cam scene. I have no objection to P4P when it comes to Mamba girls.

She turns out to be even more beautiful in the flesh.

Still writes to me as before and says she's keen to meet for dinner as we previously agreed. In all respects seems a true find but worrying if I'm missing something. Is this just another scam? Have other mongrels similar experiences? It's a new one on me.

Soviet girl and Ukrainian are the princess of scumming. In Kiev now there is an angry industry of angry girl who want everything in a third world country without working. They are ready for all. After maiden changed everything in worst, the more I go there the more realize they are like European girl but more angry now. The are poor and want iPhone fur Dior all. Because some idiot from Europe or Ukraine bought that to their friend.

This girl you chat in mamba is a professions of scum. She posted in mamba,. Then forced you to go in web chat just to see if your behavior are commanded by head or dick. I see dick. Then she will meet in Kiev and make you give her money for pussy. She's not serious.

The only girl series in girl are those with good family, very small %, and girl coming from village. The rest is a hole to be fucked and nothing more.

[Stevie69]

I truly do not understand why everyone is so down on Kiev. The girls are beautiful to watch and can be had for a reasonable price. I think we had settled long ago (check the forum) that the price for sex is about (1) 10 times the price of a haircut, (2) the price of your hotel per night, or (3) the price of 3 dates. Of course, the quality of your haircut, hotel and dates might vary. Nevertheless, in Kiev, that comes up to about 1000 UAH. , 2000 UAH is you want to go high class. Hard core VIP professional girls (like in Gia) start at 2000 UAH, and remember, half of that goes to the agency. Regular girls, whether students, secretaries, engineers, receptionists, nurses, administrative assistants, teachers, etc) earn 3000 to 5000 uah per month. Unless you are a fat and ugly mofo, you hsoudl be able to get a beautiful girl for around 1000 without much problem.

It helps when you go often, and of course, when you live there. I go 3 or 4 times per year, and I usually have some contacts form the previous visit, and work on some new ones (50/50 ratio is good).

I wrote an extensive report a while back and I will not repeat myself. Others have said as much. Day game is important. A confident approach is essential. Polite flirtation will grease the wheels. Money will seal the deal.

If a women likes you a little, but figures you will not stay around for marriage, she might still want to have sex. Women are human. One week's pay (1000 UAH) will definitely sweeten the deal for her. Of course, if you have no charm and are the fattest and ugliest mofo in the planet, you will have to pay a lot more.

I will be back soon, and afterwards I will write a comprehensive report for the naysayers and novices out there.

[SgtBoyle2]

Wondering whether my brother mongers have had any similar experiences. Due in to Kiev at the end of the month and so duly started the trawl through Mamba. Making little headway, it's getting tougher, when I got a reply from an attractive (8/9) lady in her mid 20's. Chat then followed and she seemed like a regular girl, no mention of money and happy to just talk. She asked me to send further photos which I did and then when I asked for her to send me some she suddenly announced she was a webcam model. Sent me her link but made it clear it was up to me whether I looked. Well of course I couldn't resist although I've never been into the web cam scene. I have no objection to P4P when it comes to Mamba girls.

She turns out to be even more beautiful in the flesh.

Still writes to me as before and says she's keen to meet for dinner as we previously agreed. In all respects seems a true find but worrying if I'm missing something. Is this just another scam? Have other mongrels similar experiences? It's a new one on me.

[Jojosun]

A member posted the above on the Chicago thread about a month ago. Sounds like dream come true.

LOL. Now Germany is swamped with Romanian girls you'd probably find them driving around Frankfurt in Dacias "Once the butt of car jokes, demand for cheap, reliable vehicles have helped Dacia become Europe's fastest-growing brand".

Dawn of the Dacia.

[Jojosun]

A member posted the above on the Chicago thread about a month ago. Sounds like dream come true.

Thank you very much Riina for the link confirming it was actually true. I posted this request for info re above on many threads years ago but never heard anything to confirm.

[Riina]

Couldn't agree more.

Kiev is not like before, and who on here is like before?? And if you talked with guys, ex mongers of a certain age who were stationed in Germany (US Military) late 60's,you would've got told, that mongering in Germany was better before as the girls were German and the best part of mongering then in the olden days was being picked up by very attractive girls in shiny Mercedes cruising some streets in Frankfurt, some even parked at street corners.

Anyone here can confirm that?

Since Riina mentioned Frankfurt, I thought I'd chime in.

Decades ago, Germany had the most organized sex trade I ever saw. Naturally, everything was regulated up the keister, and legal in designated areas.

A couple of Frankfurt memories:

*In the legal sex-trade areas, there would be really hot women driving around in high-end vehicles, like Porsches. Just like reverse streetwalking. Gave the nod to one once and she takes me back to her apartment for knookie. Then, drives me back. Imagine that on Cicero.

*"Dated" one hottie for months. One day she says "I won't be around as of next week. " Why? I asked. "I'm going to prison for murdering my BF. " Okay.

Plus all the other cities, Hamburg, Cologne, Munich.

Amazing in the day.

A member posted the above on the Chicago thread about a month ago. Sounds like dream come true.

[Jojosun]

I think it has been established many times that Kiev is not like "before", and that Germany is better for FKK and commercialized sex due to it's status of legality.

What we discuss here is not however Kiev is better than Germany or any other place, but rater how, who and where for the ones who do choose to actually go to Kiev for some reason.

One can assume that just because the visiting brothers does not choose to post the pictures here, we all hit the occasional subjective ten-pointer every now and then, also in Kiev. They are everywhere for someone and nowhere for everyone.

Barba

Couldn't agree more.

Kiev is not like before, and who on here is like before?? And if you talked with guys, ex mongers of a certain age who were stationed in Germany (US Military) late 60's,you would've got told, that mongering in Germany was better before as the girls were German and the best part of mongering then in the olden days was being picked up by very attractive girls in shiny Mercedes cruising some streets in Frankfurt, some even parked at street corners.

Anyone here can confirm that?

Nothing like what it is today in Frankfurt when it comes to street sex " Street prostitution is legal in Frankfurt in one part of the town, called the tolerance zone. This is in the two parallel side streets of Theodor-Heuss-Allee (between Galvanistrasse and Kreuznacher Strasse), directly north side of the Frankfurt fair. The side street leading out of the town also has a few transsexuals. Rates are starting at 25 Euro for full play, but can also be lower depending on the urge of the lady. There is a much lower chance to find prostitutes, if it is daytime, not exhibition or very cold outside".

We talk about what's in Kiev and how to hit on Ukrainian girls, semi pros, sponsoring and someone would even tell you to " Ditch Kiev " and head to one of the weirdo sounding republics,. Stan in Asia as you get pussies there very cheaply compared to Kiev. "Full sex + Golden Rain" there is only US $ 30 there, any takers?

[Member #4491]

Going to Kiev to go with prostitute meet in mamba or some ugly apartment.... Really cannot understand this. In your country you don't have prostitute?

LuisVega,

I think it has been established many times that Kiev is not like "before", and that Germany is better for FKK and commercialized sex due to it's status of legality. I would also advice anyone to fly to Kiev or Ukraine only for meeting prostitutes. It is generally a waste of time and money.

What we discuss here is not however Kiev is better than Germany or any other place, but rater how, who and where for the ones who do choose to actually go to Kiev for some reason.

One can assume that just because the visiting brothers does not choose to post the pictures here, we all hit the occasional subjective ten-pointer every now and then, also in Kiev. They are everywhere for someone and nowhere for everyone.

Esatikkanen, you have an email with four Mamba profiles that are reliable "normal working girls", as requested in your post.

Have fun and be a gentleman.

Barba

[Jojosun]

Aleksej was a friendly taxi driver. +380 67 392 7533. English is OK.

Ha can take you to apartments. I promised him I would try to generate some business for him, since I was broke after a long night at Shooters and could not pay for the ride, only the poonani (1500 UAH).

There is one apartment on Basseina that I wrote about in a previous post so no need to go very far.

B

Trust our friend Barba to post straight to the point info. No waffles and lecturing there on what to do with our dicks and how much to spend.

[Riina]

Going to Kiev to go with prostitute meet in mamba or some ugly apartment. Is a total waste of time and money. Never understood why. At the end you spend more than going to an FKK and probably the quality is much lower. Cause the gem in Kiev cost 10 times the FKK girls. Looks the Rio girl. Now more than 350 dollar.

In addiction all those nerds who come to Kiev to meet pro met in mamba destroyed all the Aurea that ringed the foreigners.

Never understood also I watched all the photo here. And really never see something ID call a 7. Mostly cheap girl. Really cannot understand this. In your country you don't have prostitute?

Kiev fans don't care too much about hardened hoes.

[LuisVega11]

Going to Kiev to go with prostitute meet in mamba or some ugly apartment. Is a total waste of time and money. Never understood why. At the end you spend more than going to an FKK and probably the quality is much lower. Cause the gem in Kiev cost 10 times the FKK girls. Looks the Rio girl. Now more than 350 dollar.

In addiction all those nerds who come to Kiev to meet pro met in mamba destroyed all the Aurea that ringed the foreigners.

Never understood also I watched all the photo here. And really never see something I'd call a 7. Mostly cheap girl. Really cannot understand this. In your country you don't have prostitute?

[Suka Shalava]

Reading about perceptions on girls is a bunch of horse shit.
All you people do is argue irrelevant shit and blanket assertions.
Who fucks for $10, or won't fuck for $1000.
I have to go through 6 pages to find useful information.
Can you start posting more "reports" with actual useful information and stop polluting the report sections.

Yes, its true, the propensity of members posting opinions contrasted with the lack of useful info over here in the FSU sections, compared to country boards like Spain, and many Asian and South American sections that have great detailed info on places to find ladies, their prices, and how the ladies rated, is clear and obviously leaving you quite frustrated. But this is nothing new. This trend goes back here not for just 6 pages that you mentioned, but for 106 pages!

There are ex-pats living or working in the FSU that will offer specifics from time to time, like when a pick-up joints get hold or cold, but I can assure you that in 20 years of following the board, the most useful info you'll find in the FSU will be what you find for yourself through trial and error out in the real world on your own adventures, and not in cyberspace. If you find that advice isn't useful to you, or you want to say that further pollutes the board with even more horse shit, well, that's just another opinion in this long list.

On the other hand, you don't really have to look any farther than Barba's post today. If and when you do arrive in Ukraine or some other motherland destination, you really should find yourself a friendly taxi driver to get you connected with some ladies, whether you want, as you say, the $10 junkie who sucks off truck drivers from Bulgaria, or a strip club fake-boobs scammer to fleece you out of $1000.

Taking a chance asking for some assistance with a friendly cab driver could result in getting you introduced to a mamachka that provides ladies for a police chief! Or bring you to a van in a parking lot full of ladies of the evening. Or across town to the train station to meet a mamba sponsorette. Or to salons, or saunas, or just plain nasty apartments with tramps.