Stupid shit in Medellin

[JjBee62]

Something is wrong? LOL. If someone under 50 is paying for pussy, this should be none of your concern, because as you said it, my money, my dick. There are various reasons why someone in his prime age pays for pussy. Maybe he has no time nor desire to start a real relationship, too focused on career / work to invest time and effort in building one. Maybe he is married or just got out of a marriage / relationship and doesn't need any commitments. Maybe just for the sake of adventure, hunt, or convenience.

Why do you need to start a relationship to fuck a woman without paying for sex? It baffles me every time you blurt it out. Do you have to buy a house every time you visit a new city?

In my 30's and early 40's I was working 70-100 hours per week. During the summer I'd frequently work 30-40 days straight without a day off. Other than Sundays, most days I was working 12 to 20 hours. On top of that I rarely started my day in the same time zone as the previous day. Yet, at least once per week I'd find the time to meet a girl and fuck.

Almost every night I'd get online, chat with as many women as possible and get them interested. If I was headed to Eugene, Oregon, I'd hit up Tina and tell her I'm going to be close to her next Tuesday. Tuesday evening I'd let her know when I was done for the day, she'd pick me up, we'd eat, fuck and have our fun and in the morning I'd be heading out to Phoenix, or Denver, and Patty, or Angie.

There were always women thrilled to meet up. Some were just lunch or dinner, a few ended up being multi-day fuckfests. Most of them ended up in bed with me. I had regulars in a few cities I visited often, others I only saw once. All of them knew I wasn't getting into a relationship with them.

Should the admins set a minimum age requirement of 50 for all ISG members then, because there is something wrong with younger mongers?

But I think we both would agree on this. The wider the age gap, the more difficult it becomes to develop a real relationship or just hooking up with someone on a non-p4 p basis, and the more necessary it becomes to pay to cover the age gap. Therefore, I don't believe fairy tales about older dudes dating girls 40 years younger, unless these girls are ugly af and can't find a better alternative.

The only effect the age gap has is that it requires more effort to find a suitable partner, either for recreational sex, or a relationship. Developing a relationship is the same process, regardless of age gap.

I've posted this several times. Other than to break a taboo, or from boredom, I didn't do p4 p until after I hit 50. From 43-48 I was in a swinging relationship. My girl and I averaged fucking with 2 or 3 other couples every week. After we split, I went back to dating, but putting in the same effort as before wasn't yielding the same results. Finding women to fuck was just ad easy, but either they weren't much interest to me, or they came with too much baggage.

I didn't feel like increasing my effort, so I turned to P4 P. Then Medellin opened my eyes. I was still doing P4 P, but I was also making friends with the girls and saw the potential for something more.

The start of the pandemic canceled my trip. Since I had to wait, I set a goal: Try to connect with girls who were completely outside the P4 P circle. It turned out to be ridiculously easy. All the schools were closed, many women with jobs were out of work, stuck at home. So they jumped online. TikTok went crazy as well as all the livestream platforms. Suddenly, all those young women were trying to make some money and fight the boredom by just sitting (fully clothed) in front of a camera and chatting with strangers.

And there I was, with 30 years experience of chatting with strangers. To make it even easier, I knew Colombia, especially Medellin and I could chat in Spanish. I was collecting Whatsapp numbers from girls all over Colombia, but I mainly focused on Medellin.

I wasn't some guy 30 or 40 years older than them. I was a guy who knew about their city, a guy who made them laugh, entertained them and made them happy. I was the guy they were hoping would show up whenever they got online.

Eventually, I settled on 10 girls to focus on, 7 in Medellin, 1 in Bogota, 1 in Cartagena and 1 in Cucuta. That ended up being just 6 in Medellin. Of the 6, 1 was the girl in the recent picture, 1 is my girlfriend, the other 4 were her sister, 1 of her friends and 2 of her sister's friends. The 2 I decided to focus on were the girl in the picture and the GF.

When I could finally get to Medellin, the GF offered to pick me up at the airport. By that time she knew what I looked like and knew my age. She showed up with her sister and they drove me to Laureles. They didn't ask for gas money, or for money to pay the tolls. They even brought me a couple donuts and made me a "welcome" sign. The next night I took them to dinner.

That was it with her for the trip. The girl in the picture was easier to get into bed and I had other women lined up. I didn't feel like putting time into the GF.

8 months later I was back in Medellin. The GF and I were getting more involved, talking every day. We spent a lot of time together, but always with her sister or friends, until my last day, when we finally spent about 5 minutes making out. They next trip, early last year, sealed the deal. We've been together ever since.

The punchline is that you gave a definition for a relationship, which definitely means we are in a real relationship, by your definition. Yet, even after doing that you claim it's a fairy-tale.

Or she must be "ugly af and can't find a better alternative. " Right? Even though I've posted pics of her on more than 1 occasion and you didn't mention her being ugly once.

We've been through this several times on various subjects. Each time you make a fool of yourself. Remember when you declared that I never post anything useful and almost immediately someone replied that you were full of shit, because of all the useful information they had gotten from my posts?

This is no different. If I was a 60 year old guy who always commented on how great your posts were, and constantly stroked your ego, you'd be congratulating me on the great relationship I have with a 20 year old girl. OTOH, if I was 25, with a 24 year old girlfriend and still calling you out for your bullshit, you'd be claiming it's impossible for me to have a relationship with a girl who was so close to my own age.

[Mr Enternational]

3. This is just bullshit, except for gay men. A lot of gay men seem to be into that look.

Nope. I have a lot of gay friends. They are all different types AND they all have different types same as straight men and any people for that matter.

Louis L'Amour wrote something like "man's greatest advantage in the war between the sexes is the curiosity of women. " It's as simple as that.

Never heard this but I think it is 100% true. For some reason chicks always say I am mysterious and I guess that is what makes them more curious. Besides that, I never tell them what they want to hear like most guys probably do. I tell them shit that is against the grain or they will disagree with.

In the streets we used to say she hates my fucking guts but she loves my pimpin. Chicks are used to guys trying to butter them up and use money, but come from a different angle and they become curious, which leads to said advantage. But it is all in personality. You can read all the pick up artist books you want, but personality can not be taught. Some of the shit that I naturally say or do would seem really weird coming from other people that I know because it is not their personality.

[Elvis 2008]

Here's a question I've been meaning to ask.

Is DramaQueen just Elvis in drag? Same atrophied grasp of English, and logic. Same bitterness.

Bitterness? LOL. You are the loser who spent terabytes trying to say I had dated no beauty queen. Every time I upload a photo you have some bullshit story about her because you are seething with jealousy. And logic? I just posted what my latest experience was coming to Colombia and Dramafree has said he will never return here. Just like with the photos, you do not see where your imagination and reality meet. You must have been dropped too much as a child.

Dramafree is killing it with the women in Mexico, and I am in Colombia on a farm North of Bogota with my gal and her family having a blast. That is unlike the El Centro bars, what your sorry ass thinks the "real Colombia" is.

But MB, DF is right. No point in arguing with these losers who do no want to rate women on a 1 to 10 scale since they are only fucking ugly women. JJBee said guys here cannot date the elite because no elite woman would have shit to do with his old cheap unhealthy ass, and he is so egotistical that he thinks no one can do better than him.

My gal has a cousin who is 18 and is cute. It is amazing all that she does. She makes butters and jams and sells them and has saved up for a trip to Spain. She works as a dental assistant part time and starts university soon. I know no American girl as cute or as skilled. And the country side is teaming with beauties up here.

Sang said the women in Medellin are spoiled and materialistic and Tall Man and I agreed. Let the Medellin morons have Medellin. There is gold to be found elsewhere.

JJbee, you got some competition now with a new mouth and his War and Peace novels. Maybe you two should go on a date. Last one to shut up wins.

[JjBee62]

So this post is just for you JBJBJ. I ll answer some of your questions even though as adult men I find it silly I have to do this for you or any other man.

1. Prime means when something is at its best. Here we are referring to the sexual market place value for men, so a man's prime is when he is at his peak value in the sexual market place meaning he can obtain the most highly desirable women. Men can hit their prime value in the sexual market place at all different ages, but in general this is going to be anywhere from late 20's to early 40's.

2. Generally if a man is deemed to be successful in American society, he has a acquired the necessary skills to obtain lifelong resources in the form of owning property / home, steady salary / cash, and a form of income for when he retires / pension. Success also refers to the man's happiness in regards to his mental health and sense of worth as well as the meaningful relationships he has obtained with friends and family.

3. "Fit" would be a healthy man, he has no afflictions from disease or vice and maintains an aesthetically pleasing physique in the form of low body fat and some form of muscle tone. This doesn't mean a man has to be a bodybuilder, but a dude should not look unhealthy if he wants to hit his peak in regards to his value in the sexual market place.

I'm glad I skipped making fun of your other post. This will be more fun.

1. When is a man at his best, his prime? Who decides? What is this sexual marketplace you speak of? If you're including paying for sex, then a man is at his prime whenever he can afford "the most highly desirable women. " A broken down wreck of a man who won $200 million in the lottery just needs some grooming, new clothes and a Yacht and he's in his prime. A fat 50+ man living off daddy's money is in his prime too.

To continue, in your other post, you seem to be saying that you can only get 5-6 range girls, unless you go to Colombia and pay a 7-8 girl. And you can't get a 9-10 at all. Yet, you seem to be suggesting you're in your prime.

When I was in my prime, by your definition, getting a 7-8, on your scale was simple. No money required. Getting a 9-10, again on your scale, was almost as easy, it just took a few minutes more to get their attention.

2. I can state my occupation and I'm not "deemed to be successful. " I can show my income and I'm deemed to be successful. However, only the shallowest of men does either of those things when dealing with women. Success is an attitude not a number. Happiness I have in abundance. For the rest, ask my friends and family. Be careful how you phrase your questions. One of my best friends made a joke that appeared to be insulting and he got buried by irate responses from my other friends.

It's happened here on ISG. Some guy in his prime posts bullshit about me and someone who I helped out jumps down his throat.

If you're relying on paystubs, mortgages and your 401 k to convince women to fuck you, it's no wonder you can't move up from the 5-6 range without pulling out cash. Women want to fuck. They don't want to fuck a bank account, a W-2 or even a Ferrari. They want to fuck a guy who can leave their legs quivering. They want to fuck a guy who makes them feel good about themselves. And that's nothing more than the most basic of sales techniques.

3. This is just bullshit, except for gay men. A lot of gay men seem to be into that look. Women? Not as much. Clean? Well groomed? Confident? Well spoken? Funny? Sincere? Those things will get you into more panties than your gym membership.

Louis L'Amour wrote something like "man's greatest advantage in the war between the sexes is the curiosity of women. " It's as simple as that.

You're the one complicating things. Why add a 1-10 rating? As you said it's completely subjective. A few simple adjectives paint a clearer picture. Why include numbers in the scale that are not in your range. 6 of the 10 numbers on your scale you either won't fuck, or can't fuck. That's like having a 0-100 speedometer that won't go below 40 or above 80.

Look at how complicated you made it:

First, the 1-10 scale must be established by the most desirable men, who will rate the most desirable women, but first the most desirable women have to decide who the most desirable men are. Next you state that you're not one of the most desirable men, but you have your own scale, even though you have no interest, or ability to get the most desirable women.

I've kept it simple, as simple as possible.

1. Do I want to fuck her?

2. Is she worth my time?

And a follow-up:

3. Was she worth my time.

You're over there trying to decide if a low 5 is actually a 5, or if she's really a 4 based upon what you think someone, who you consider better than you, would think about her. At the same time you're debating whether you're willing to not get laid and just wait until you can afford to go to Colombia for something you can afford.

[Villainy]

And what does this have to do with a monger who does not live in Colombia full time? Why would a young attractive girl give it up for free, if she knows the gringo is a sex tourist (like it or not, gringos coming to Colombia are deemed as sex tourists) and will not commit to anything serious?

Nothing to do with mongering. Apparently you lost track of your own discussion. We are talking about dating and age differences. Your contention is that you won't be able to date beautiful Colombian girls if there is a large age difference. Let me repeat it again. You don't know what you are talking about and you clearly don't know Colombia.

Also, what age gap are you talking about? 10 years? 20 years? 30 or even 40 years? Do you realize that if a girl is 20 and her Romeo is 60, they are two generations apart, meaning that her parents are young enough to be his kids? If we are talking about a real relationship, this kind of gap is fucked up in any country. The dude is one leg in the grave, and there is no guarantee she will inherit any of his shit when he dies. Now, what I call an acceptable age gap, which is the norm in any culture, is up to 10-15 years. Lets say she is 20, he is 30-35. They are still technically of the same generation. By 30-35 most men are mature enough, have careers and are able to provide. And still be in great shape. No need to date grandpas.

You are using the cultural norms you are familiar with in the US. In the US a 60 year old man dating a 25 year old girl is scandalous. She must be (and probably is) a gold-digger. Think Anna Nicole Smith and that millionaire in his 80's from Texas. But, Colombia has a different culture. Girls are not reluctant to date men who are 20,30 and yes maybe even 40 years older than they are. If you knew the country better you might see it for yourself. All you can grasp is paying money to get laid. Have you tried talking to any young women that you are attracted to? Have you asked them for their WhatsApp and started a conversation with any of them? Have you ever been on a date that wasn't a pay-4-play arrangement or as they say here "beneficios mutuos"?

In p4 p, age gap doesn't matter that much, because you are a paying customer, and she needs your money. You still can get pussy, but, the older you are, the more you will be charged (in a free market), especially if you want quality. Some girls won't sleep with an older dude even if he offers much more than a going rate. Some girls would throw some crazy number, hoping he would fuck off.

You must be speaking from your own experience. I can't imagine very many Colombian girls that have a hungry crying baby at home, would turn down a good pay-day because she (like you in your judgement) thinks the guy is too old or unattractive.

If you really want to understand Colombia a little better, why don't you visit and just talk to people and not schedule any prostitute encounters. Just one time. You would be surprised what you might learn about the people, the culture and how people live their lives here. Of course, that might mean setting aside all your preconceived notions and showing a little intellectual curiosity.

[Mr Enternational]

Using the one dick rule, you should have no problem with individuals posing about getting pussy for free. I would never accuse somebody of lying on their dick without proof.

The proof is usually I can't or don't do it that way so neither can you.

[Mr Enternational]

And what does this have to do with a monger who does not live in Colombia full time? Why would a young attractive girl give it up for free, if she knows the gringo is a sex tourist (like it or not, gringos coming to Colombia are deemed as sex tourists) and will not commit to anything serious?

You just made up a scenario to argue. Not every local chick is a hooker and not every visiting foreigner is a sex tourist. Normal people really do like and get to know each other. I have several friends who were not sex tourists that are married to Colombians who were not hookers.

[SubCmdr]

Something is wrong? LOL. If someone under 50 is paying for pussy, this should be none of your concern, because as you said it, my money, my dick.

It is none of my concern. Show me the post where I am telling someone else what they should be doing, calling them names, or otherwise being critical of their actions. You will not find one. I am allowed to have an opinion. And I expressed it. Now however you want get your pussy, if you like it, I love it! That does not mean I can't have opinion of it. But you won't hear me saying anything negative about how you are anyone else do things.

Should the admins set a minimum age requirement of 50 for all ISG members then, because there is something wrong with younger mongers?

No, I expressed my opinion. And my opinion is that every man should develop skills to get the sex they want in their life without paying. That means personal development to become a desirable man (however the girls your are after define it). I personally don't think any young man should rely on paying prostitutes for sex. Personally I think that is something that should be saved up for when your are older. But the younger generation may think differently. And if they don't agree with me that is fine. No one is going to change their actions based on my posts. And you will not hear me being critical of how others do things. Something you seem to continually over look when replaying to my posts.

But I think we both would agree on this. The wider the age gap, the more difficult it becomes to develop a real relationship or just hooking up with someone on a non-p4 p basis, and the more necessary it becomes to pay to cover the age gap. Therefore, I don't believe fairy tales about older dudes dating girls 40 years younger, unless these girls are ugly af and can't find a better alternative.

No we cannot agree on that. Because you don't know what is possible until you try. Just because something is difficult does not mean that you should not try to make it happen. I get pussy thrown at me You don't have to believe that a girl 33 years younger than me fucked me today because she likes me. No, no not in Colombia. You know where I live. And she has been fucking me for months because she likes me. Note, I did not say for free. I take her out. I spend time with her. I listen to her problems. I satisfy the occasional money request if she is having a tough time. Girls always ask for money. Or they want you to spend money on them by taking them out to do stuff. I tell my girls they have to make a choice. Because I'm not going to take them out and spend time with them and then pay them for sex. It is either or and I let them choose.

And let me tell you brother the amount of money I give her in a month amounts to a 2 or 3 times what people are paying for "just one time". And I can fuck whenever she is not busy. Now you can get into the appearance debate. But I have addressed how I define a "hot girl" in another post. And my old dick was rock hard and giving her backshots that had her moaning and grabbing the sheets. You don't have to agree or disagree. Because my dick is satisfied with the arrangement.

It should be noted that I know nothing about anyone on posting here. I don't know where people live (unless they say), I don't know how old they are (unless they say). So if someone is under the age of 50 and relies on paying for pussy, my hope is that it is a choice made after deciding that putting in the work for real relationships is not worth it to them. They have experience and they are making a choice. After all it is their money and their dick.

And as I have pointed out before, this forum is a big tent about sharing information on having sex with girls. Using the one dick rule, you should have no problem with individuals posing about getting pussy for free. I would never accuse somebody of lying on their dick without proof.

[MiamiBoy1]

1. Take her to a bookstore. Does she get excited and start perusing the titles? What books interest her?

2. Introduce her to new (to her) cuisine. Teach her to use chopsticks. Test her palate and her willingness to try new things.

3. Take her to an amusement park, or a waterpark (make sure she brings a bikini other than the Wicked Weasel you bought her. Buying a bikini at a waterpark is expensive).

4. Plan and cook a meal with her. Does she know her way around a kitchen? Is she interested in learning a new skill? Does she feel a sense of accomplishment when the food tastes great?

5. Take her to see something she's never seen. It could be as simple as going to El Museo Castillo in Medellin (or if she's Mexican, take her to a public restroom that doesn't require you to buy toilet paper), or to a famous landmark in another country.

6. Take turns picking music. How does she react to your music? How broad is her music appreciation?

7. Play tourist together. If you can swing it (meaning a hot chick who has or can get a US Tourist Visa), Chicago, New York, Seattle and Washington DC are all good choices. See the local sites, eat the local foods.

8. Take her off the grid, where her phone has no signal, no Wi-Fi and see how she handles being with you, just you.

9. Play games with her. It can be video games or something like Jenga. Modify the rules a bit, to allow Spanish and English, and play Scrabble. Or she probably knows Uno. How does she handle winning and losing?

10. Introduce her to new sexual experiences. This won't be easy with a prostitute, but should be no problem with a "hot chick. " Uncover her fantasies, explore them.

Great list! Except for #10, these are all the activities I will do if or when I have a granddaughter. We will go to Disney, eat ice cream, play Jenga, feed raccoons at the local park, I will read her fairy tales before bedtime.

[MiamiBoy1]

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. You are ascribing social norms common in the US to Colombian women who live in a completely different cultural environment.

Allow me to amplify. If a man (irrespective of age) wants to start a relationship with a beautiful Colombian woman you seem to think that age is a factor. Not so much. What is a factor is whether the guy is living in Colombia and is he able to speak Spanish at a good level or does he need to break out his translator app constantly. Why should she start something with a guy who won't be here to buy her a birthday present. (Birthdays are a big thing in Colombia). Is he going to be able to be a productive member of the family? Can he help out when help is needed? These may sound like pecuniary issues to you but they are what is in her head.

Colombia subscribes to the machismo culture. Men are the providers. Girls are groomed from an early age to want a partner who is a good provider and can be a valued member of the family. His age is not nearly as important a factor as you think. Sure, if the choice were between Messi and Warren Buffet. Messi would score the goal. But young women are told by their mothers and grandmothers, from an early age, that "it is just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as it is with a poor man."

Colombian women are constantly reminded (again by their mothers and grandmothers). Look at Maria, she has 2 babies and her boyfriend left. She has to raise them all by herself. Get yourself a respectable man who won't run away. So when it comes to age, an older man is absolutely acceptable to a large plurality of Colombian women. (caveat: If he is gross (I. E. Over-weight, poorly dressed, or Frankenstein ugly) that will trump respectability and financial security.

Here is another tidbit (from personal experience). If you chat with an extremely attractive Colombian woman and you invite her to dinner one evening she will likely say yes. It gives her a chance to show off her best clothes and she doesn't get invited out to a nice restaurant very often. If you have a nice time and invite her out a second time. Well this is the juncture for her. Once was just to see how you both hit it off. If she accepts a second or third date, you're going to end up in bed it is just a question who whose bed.

Now just to preempt an argument. If the girl is from a wealthy family, she won't care about your financial security. She will likely have gone to good schools and be headed toward a professional career. Then the rules bend back toward US cultural norms (but not completely).

And what does this have to do with a monger who does not live in Colombia full time? Why would a young attractive girl give it up for free, if she knows the gringo is a sex tourist (like it or not, gringos coming to Colombia are deemed as sex tourists) and will not commit to anything serious?

Also, what age gap are you talking about? 10 years? 20 years? 30 or even 40 years? Do you realize that if a girl is 20 and her Romeo is 60, they are two generations apart, meaning that her parents are young enough to be his kids? If we are talking about a real relationship, this kind of gap is fucked up in any country. The dude is one leg in the grave, and there is no guarantee she will inherit any of his shit when he dies. Now, what I call an acceptable age gap, which is the norm in any culture, is up to 10-15 years. Lets say she is 20, he is 30-35. They are still technically of the same generation. By 30-35 most men are mature enough, have careers and are able to provide. And still be in great shape. No need to date grandpas.

In p4 p, age gap doesn't matter that much, because you are a paying customer, and she needs your money. You still can get pussy, but, the older you are, the more you will be charged (in a free market), especially if you want quality. Some girls won't sleep with an older dude even if he offers much more than a going rate. Some girls would throw some crazy number, hoping he would fuck off.

[DramaFree11]

Here's a question I've been meaning to ask.

Is DramaQueen just Elvis in drag? Same atrophied grasp of English, and logic. Same bitterness.

Illuminate us, oh Great Queen of Fabricated Drama. What is it I'm supposed to do with a "hot chick?" Pay her market rate (more or less doesn't matter)? But if I'm doing that, I'm not with a hot chick. I'm just spending time with a prostitute. Not exactly a difficult task. I'd put it equal to ordering a pizza for delivery. No anchovies please.

That's your definition of "killing?" Or did you mean to say "killing time with hookers until I die of boredom?

Here's a list of things to do with a "hot chick" (I don't advise doing these things with prostitutes. You wouldn't hire a plumber and take him out to watch the local wildlife):

1. Take her to a bookstore. Does she get excited and start perusing the titles? What books interest her?

2. Introduce her to new (to her) cuisine. Teach her to use chopsticks. Test her palate and her willingness to try new things.

3. Take her to an amusement park, or a waterpark (make sure she brings a bikini other than the Wicked Weasel you bought her. Buying a bikini at a waterpark is expensive).

4. Plan and cook a meal with her. Does she know her way around a kitchen? Is she interested in learning a new skill? Does she feel a sense of accomplishment when the food tastes great?

5. Take her to see something she's never seen. It could be as simple as going to El Museo Castillo in Medellin (or if she's Mexican, take her to a public restroom that doesn't require you to buy toilet paper), or to a famous landmark in another country.

6. Take turns picking music. How does she react to your music? How broad is her music appreciation?

7. Play tourist together. If you can swing it (meaning a hot chick who has or can get a US Tourist Visa), Chicago, New York, Seattle and Washington DC are all good choices. See the local sites, eat the local foods.

8. Take her off the grid, where her phone has no signal, no Wi-Fi and see how she handles being with you, just you.

9. Play games with her. It can be video games or something like Jenga. Modify the rules a bit, to allow Spanish and English, and play Scrabble. Or she probably knows Uno. How does she handle winning and losing?

10. Introduce her to new sexual experiences. This won't be easy with a prostitute, but should be no problem with a "hot chick. " Uncover her fantasies, explore them.

There's so much more, which doesn't matter if you're just paying market rates to fuck prostitutes.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm planning a dive trip with a "hot chick" and need to get busy.

JB. Every time for write your dumb reports you prove our points. You are truly a bitter and angry dude.

Why Elvis and M. Boy waste their time debating with you and the other clowns I will never understand.

[Villainy]

Here's a question I've been meaning to ask.

Is DramaQueen just Elvis in drag? Same atrophied grasp of English, and logic. Same bitterness.

Funny you should ask. I was thinking the very same thing this morning.

[RamDavidson84]

What about a rich fat chick in her 30's with high self esteem? Ie Lizzo.

Does she let you fuck her rolls?

[Villainy]

But I think we both would agree on this. The wider the age gap, the more difficult it becomes to develop a real relationship or just hooking up with someone on a non-p4 p basis, and the more necessary it becomes to pay to cover the age gap. Therefore, I don't believe fairy tales about older dudes dating girls 40 years younger, unless these girls are ugly af and can't find a better alternative.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. You are ascribing social norms common in the US to Colombian women who live in a completely different cultural environment.

Allow me to amplify. If a man (irrespective of age) wants to start a relationship with a beautiful Colombian woman you seem to think that age is a factor. Not so much. What is a factor is whether the guy is living in Colombia and is he able to speak Spanish at a good level or does he need to break out his translator app constantly. Why should she start something with a guy who won't be here to buy her a birthday present. (Birthdays are a big thing in Colombia). Is he going to be able to be a productive member of the family? Can he help out when help is needed? These may sound like pecuniary issues to you but they are what is in her head.

Colombia subscribes to the machismo culture. Men are the providers. Girls are groomed from an early age to want a partner who is a good provider and can be a valued member of the family. His age is not nearly as important a factor as you think. Sure, if the choice were between Messi and Warren Buffet. Messi would score the goal. But young women are told by their mothers and grandmothers, from an early age, that "it is just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as it is with a poor man."

Colombian women are constantly reminded (again by their mothers and grandmothers). Look at Maria, she has 2 babies and her boyfriend left. She has to raise them all by herself. Get yourself a respectable man who won't run away. So when it comes to age, an older man is absolutely acceptable to a large plurality of Colombian women. (caveat: If he is gross (I. E. Over-weight, poorly dressed, or Frankenstein ugly) that will trump respectability and financial security.

Here is another tidbit (from personal experience). If you chat with an extremely attractive Colombian woman and you invite her to dinner one evening she will likely say yes. It gives her a chance to show off her best clothes and she doesn't get invited out to a nice restaurant very often. If you have a nice time and invite her out a second time. Well this is the juncture for her. Once was just to see how you both hit it off. If she accepts a second or third date, you're going to end up in bed it is just a question who whose bed.

Now just to preempt an argument. If the girl is from a wealthy family, she won't care about your financial security. She will likely have gone to good schools and be headed toward a professional career. Then the rules bend back toward US cultural norms (but not completely).

[RamDavidson84]

Out of curiousity Ram, why do you feel the need for a scale of 1-10. Surely in your case 1-4 would achieve the same thing (together with the words high / low)?

Uhhhhh, well I could get by with a 1-4. I think culturally 1-10 has been circulating for awhile and that's what a lot of guys used in my day. I prefer 1-10.