Kyiv

[DruidFire]

Thanks DF for a great report. I think you had the best of Mix& Match opportunties in Kiev.

And with the second bedroom and threesomes, you've definitely now earned the title of " Distinguished Monger ". Join the club. LOL.

Also a 9 from Rio for US $ 300 for 3 hours not bad either. How much did you spend inside the club?

Glad you like the report I can't recall precisely but I'm pretty sure it was about 600 Gryvnas or about 30 USD. That was for 2 fresh squeezed orange juices, a Perrier and a coffee / espresso for the girl and I guess the entry fee. I didn't order a dance, but she sat at my table for about 30 minutes before we left. Also, I sat at the VIP lounge, so not sure if there is an additional charge for that or not. You can't call it "cheap" but for a strip club I didn't think it was bad at all. The key point is there doesn't seem to be much incentive for the girl to order a bunch of drinks while having no intention of leaving with you. At least not that I can tell. By comparison, take a look at an elite Manilla club like Air Force one or Classmates. Take out was the same 300 $ for 3 hours. Drinks were much more expensive and you are hassled to buy a lot of them. Lady Drinks were the norm and you are expected to tip male waiters and club managers. And Manila as way more messed up than Kiev (although I would happily monger in both.).

So overall, I liked Rio. I'd go again on another trip but definitely not everyday. Too expensive and other girls are much more GFE. At least compared to the one I picked, who was very nice but not GFE nice.

[JesusPuras]

I was in Kiev for 5 nights last week. I started working trough mamba 15 days prior to my visit. I collected approximately 20 mobile numbers and agreed to meet in Kiev.

First night; I arrived to Kiev late and didn't want to waste time to arrange a meeting with mamba girls because it would be a last minute effort. I went to Buddha bar instead. There were two tables with 5 ladies, I assumed that they were pros because they were looking at me very often. One of them was very pretty. I smiled at her, invited her to the bar with my eyes but she didn't make any move. I finished my drink and went to their table. After a little chat she asked 500 usd for all night, I offered 300 and agreed. As I said she was very pretty but service was not good. No DFK, oral with condom etc. I should have discussed the details of the service before the deal. Waste of money!

On the rest of my visit I decided try my chance with freebies. I was able to meet 5 of 20. Most of the girls told that they are busy, sick etc. (not a surprise). 3 of them were non-pros. But they were not pretty as in the profile photos plus I didn't feel like I can bang them in 1-2 days so I passed. One of them was a working girl she asked 200 for all night but she was 6-7 so I passed that one as well. I was loosing my hope on freebies and start thinking about going to Rio but I thought I have to eat dinner alone anyway so I decided to invite the last girl to Odessa Rest. As a company (by the way this a really good rest. It was close to Alfavito hotel where I stayed). A 24 years old 8 arrived. Her English was good enough to communicate. We ate and drunk a bottle of wine, I was expecting her to ask money but she didn't. She asked me if I would like to go to club. I said definitely yes. We went to a club called 'Sorry Babushka'. It is a kind a retro club not too much teenagers but the atmosphere was perfect. I didn't see any pros in the club but I had many eye contacts with other girls while we were dancing or I was going the restroom. (unfortunately when you go alone nobody looks, when you go with a girl every girl looks). %80 of the club was female as usual in Ukr. And I didn't see any foreigner in the club. I highly recommend this place if you are after freebies and milfs. Honestly I was still expecting her to ask money before we go into business but she didn't. I took her to the hotel. She slept with me that night and went to home in the morning. We met the next afternoon and I bought her some presents (I felt like I have to). I wish I could meet with her earlier in my trip. Any way I like Kiev. I can't bang a beauty like this free in my hometown that's for sure.

[Gremlin Og]

As CallSign Papa recounted, "a good MILF is worth her weight in gold. " So true. My first time in Kiev and I found a 105 lb of gold. First let me say as mostly a Dubai poster, I found this board very helpful in preparing my trip. Thanks to all of you. Second, Kiev is one of my top cities now. Alright it's not Berlin or Barcelona but there is very little downside and lots of up. These people deserve much better political leaders. Third, I recall earlier on this board advice to show respect for locals and ladies and that held true for me.

Ok, so I used mamba to prepare. My Russian is weak and I stand out as an older American white guy. But I'm not new to this. And I was MILF hunting. Not that the younger choices in this city are not stunning (and I found their English is better than older), but I was on a mission. Out of 15 attempts on mamba I got 5 solid responses and paired it down to two possible MILFs. I got a nicely appointed apt in the passage area, brought USD, and did my restaurant and disco homework. First night, I met the MILF that would be mine. She is stunning, mid-30's. Prior online, I promised financial support once we got back to my flat. Our first meeting (a Saturday) lasted all evening, walking through the city and stopping to drink and eat along the way. By the time we got back to my place, I knew she was hooked so. And I know this is weird, I just sent her packing and set up a date the next day. No pussy, no pay.

Later that night, I headed out to sample the professionals. First, I went to Golden Rhino in Arena complex but I could not find a stripper I liked. Onto Rio and did the VIP room, much like other reports here. Eventually found an english speaking petite brunette. She was fun, but covered BJ and limited DFK, ok in a pinch but not good value IMO. Funny thing was, she was leaving the next day to work in a hotel bar in Ras al-Khaimah in the UAE. Poor girl assumed it would be like Dubai.

So second day, I met up with the MILF mid-afternoon. That night and the next couple of days were marathon orifice exploration. I mean this girl / lady was clearly reserved and devout in public but once we got back to the flat, no holes barred. Eventually, we just stayed in the apartment for 10 hours straight. It really got kinky at one point with her riding me, then breaking out phone photos of her 19 year old daughter. Thank you, Ukraine.

[CayenneMs]

Hello mongers,

Is there anyway to avoid passport being stamped by Ukraine border control?

I am worried my better half to see it in my passport causing me trouble!

[CastOnThis]

A friend of mine visited Kiev for 3 days, I told him to stay away from strip clubs and try night clubs, hes good looking.

Her went to mens club, took a stripper home from a club in the center, he managed to get her real name and her phone number during the time they were together and when she left he realized his bracelet was gone.

What is the proper thing to do here? Contact the club's manager and let him know, the stripper didn't return his phone call.

The management won't do anything.

And don't get girls from Dolls or Rio. They have low caliber women. If you take a girl out, try Arena, Paradise, Velvet.

The girls won't steal from you if you get them from there.

This brings me up to the following. Has anyone recently been to Velvet strip club? It is located inside Hotel Ukraine. I can't wait to return.

[TickleBoobs]

Does this kind of smog happen beginning September every year?

Nope, there are the forest fires that have shrouded the city in smoke caused by illegal loggers. Then to avoid being caught they burn down the forest to hide the theft.

[Muddy7]

A friend of mine visited Kiev for 3 days, I told him to stay away from strip clubs and try night clubs, hes good looking.

Her went to mens club, took a stripper home from a club in the center, he managed to get her real name and her phone number during the time they were together and when she left he realized his bracelet was gone.

What is the proper thing to do here? Contact the club's manager and let him know, the stripper didn't return his phone call.

[Horny Monger]

The meeting was arranged a day before. A 21 year old girl, who speaks bad English with a heavy accent, called me and asked me on the phone half an hour before the meeting that she wants to call a taxi to come to me, and she wants me to go out to pay the taxi driver when she arrives in the taxi at my building. This is after we have agreed on the price for the meeting and the time of the meeting.

Doesn't it sound a bit weird? (The girls I had in the past paid the taxi first; then I paid them; they never asked me to go out and pay the taxi driver!) What's going on in her head?

The girls I had in the past asked for taxi money only after they came in to my apartment and before they left my place but never in addition to the price of the meeting.

Any input from the veterans of this thread is welcome.

You are dealing with an agency and not an independent.

Thanks for your input, but she doesn't sound like an agency because I tried to arrange a meeting with her several times and each time she either delayed the meeting by 2 to 3 hours or moved it early by 1 hour then cancelled; so we haven't met so far because of her irratic changing of time. Agencies send the girls fast and generally on time.

[Riina]

The meeting is arrange a day before.

A 21 year old girl, who speaks bad English with a heavy accent, call me and asked me on the phone half an hour before the meeting that she wants to call a taxi to come to me, and she wants me to go out to pay the taxi driver when she arrives in the taxi at my building. This is after we have agreed on the price for the meeting and the time of the meeting.

Doesn't it sound a bit weird? (The girls I had in the past paid the taxi first; then I paid them; they never asked me to go out and pay the taxi driver!) What's going on in her head?

You are dealing with an agency and not an independent. Very unlikely to get ripped but your girl will probably be something low class with a zero personality.

[Horny Monger]

The meeting was arranged a day before. A 21 year old girl, who speaks bad English with a heavy accent, called me and asked me on the phone half an hour before the meeting that she wants to call a taxi to come to me, and she wants me to go out to pay the taxi driver when she arrives in the taxi at my building. This is after we have agreed on the price for the meeting and the time of the meeting.

Doesn't it sound a bit weird? (The girls I had in the past paid the taxi first; then I paid them; they never asked me to go out and pay the taxi driver!) What's going on in her head?

The girls I had in the past asked for taxi money only after they came in to my apartment and before they left my place but never in addition to the price of the meeting.

Any input from the veterans of this thread is welcome.

[Ash1001]

Great report, Druidfire. Seems like you went for the fairly high budget, luxury intensive p4 p route!

I'm guessing that as soon as you hit that FKK in Germany you realised how overhyped Kiev is for p4 p? The best deal in Kiev used to be amateurs working the discos; basically fairly normal college girls having a night out who don't mind earning a hundred bucks or so by going home with a guy rather than alone. Freebies were plentiful too. Kiev has changed a lot in recent years; inevitably the cachet of being a Westerner has gone and things are way more difficult as a result.

I'm going to be exploring Dniepropetrovsk next week. I think the more out of the way cities still have some potential reminiscent of 2006. Let's see.

[Jojosun]

Does this kind of smog happen beginning September every year?

I never noticed smog in Kev in September during the times I visited. They used to have some kind of an open music festival in Maidan in front of hotel Ukraine in September. .

I don't know if they are still running it this year. Kiev music festival https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv_Music_Fest..

[Jojosun]

This was my first trip to Kiev. I spent the last 7 months studying Russian (language study is a hobby of mine. I view at exercise for the brain) using Rosetta Stone and also Skype language lessons with Russian speakers. I'm not fluent by any means but I am conversational. It definitely helped. For prep I used Mamba and Travel Girls. I wrote to about 5 Mamba girls and arranged meetings with 2 really cool ones (I won't list them in public but feel free to PM me) Both were punctual. One very pretty, the other not as cute as her Mamba pics, which I assume were taken a few years ago. But still pretty. They asked for 100 $ for 2 hours. I didn't bother to bargain and agreed. The rest of you can do as you will. Sex included DFK, BBBJ but no CIM (I did not ask them. So maybe they would have if I did) and CV. One of them showed me pics of two of her friends and offered threesomes. I agreed. I met with her blond friend one day and her brunette friend the next. Had a great time with all 3 of them and I suggested during my next trip we could try a foursome. Just for the new experience of it. P.S., there was no girl-girl action. They didn't offer and I didn't ask for it.

For Mamba I got the VIP membership and entered the "looking for sponsor" setting in my search criteria. I never wrote to any girl not looking for a sponsor. I also never wrote to any girl if I was out of her age range. (I'm 46) While I had thought of "sponsorship" as a local girl looking for some kind of relationship with a foreign guy who buys them gifts and takes them on fancy vacations, it seems for the most part to be code for just run-of-the-mil pay for play. Fine by me.

The other girl I met was from Travel Girls. She had actually written to me first. This was my true find as I stayed with this girl almost every night except one. Very cute, 23 year old girl from Lughansk. She would meet me between 6 to 9 pm and hang out till about 11 am next morning. During the day time I would meet the other girls and hit the gym. I can't go 8 days without working out. And lifting weights keeps your testosterone levels higher. Bear back vaginal, BBBJ with CIM. Sex in the evening and morning and any other time I felt like it. We hung out a lot together. We both loved Karaoke and would hit a bar / restaurant on Kreshatic called Mafia. It became a real GFE. Towards the end, you can almost say it became too GFE with pouting and petty squabbles that you would have with a real girlfriend. Still, I had a great time with her and will keep in touch. For the first meeting I over-payed with 300 $ for about 14 hours, but for subsequent meetings it was 200 $ for the whole time. We talked about traveling together in the future. That would entail me paying her expenses but no actual money for her. Her advice for meeting more woman was topface rather than Mamba. I created an account for next trip. I'll let you know if it works.

That for me is the sweet spot in mongering: Hanging out with one really cool girl most of the time, while having quick sex with some other girls the rest of the time. For me it's not guaranteed. It happened once before on a trip to Pattaya. On subsequent trips to Pattaya. It never did. The trouble isn't finding a girl who will stay with you (for a price, they all will) The problem is finding a girl you actually *want* to stay with you. It doesn't always happen. Try to keep in touch with the ones you do like..

Thanks DF for a great report. I think you had the best of Mix& Match opportunties in Kiev.

And with the second bedroom and threesomes, you've definitely now earned the title of " Distinguished Monger ". Join the club. LOL.

Also a 9 from Rio for US $ 300 for 3 hours not bad either. How much did you spend inside the club?

[DruidFire]

This was my first trip to Kiev. I spent the last 7 months studying Russian (language study is a hobby of mine. I view at exercise for the brain) using Rosetta Stone and also Skype language lessons with Russian speakers. I'm not fluent by any means but I am conversational. It definitely helped. For prep I used Mamba and Travel Girls. I wrote to about 5 Mamba girls and arranged meetings with 2 really cool ones (I won't list them in public but feel free to PM me) Both were punctual. One very pretty, the other not as cute as her Mamba pics, which I assume were taken a few years ago. But still pretty. They asked for 100 $ for 2 hours. I didn't bother to bargain and agreed. The rest of you can do as you will. Sex included DFK, BBBJ but no CIM (I did not ask them. So maybe they would have if I did) and CV. One of them showed me pics of two of her friends and offered threesomes. I agreed. I met with her blond friend one day and her brunette friend the next. Had a great time with all 3 of them and I suggested during my next trip we could try a foursome. Just for the new experience of it. P.S., there was no girl-girl action. They didn't offer and I didn't ask for it.

For Mamba I got the VIP membership and entered the "looking for sponsor" setting in my search criteria. I never wrote to any girl not looking for a sponsor. I also never wrote to any girl if I was out of her age range. (I'm 46) While I had thought of "sponsorship" as a local girl looking for some kind of relationship with a foreign guy who buys them gifts and takes them on fancy vacations, it seems for the most part to be code for just run-of-the-mil pay for play. Fine by me.

The other girl I met was from Travel Girls. She had actually written to me first. This was my true find as I stayed with this girl almost every night except one. Very cute, 23 year old girl from Lughansk. She would meet me between 6 to 9 pm and hang out till about 11 am next morning. During the day time I would meet the other girls and hit the gym. I can't go 8 days without working out. And lifting weights keeps your testosterone levels higher. Bear back vaginal, BBBJ with CIM. Sex in the evening and morning and any other time I felt like it. We hung out a lot together. We both loved Karaoke and would hit a bar / restaurant on Kreshatic called Mafia. It became a real GFE. Towards the end, you can almost say it became too GFE with pouting and petty squabbles that you would have with a real girlfriend. Still, I had a great time with her and will keep in touch. For the first meeting I over-payed with 300 $ for about 14 hours, but for subsequent meetings it was 200 $ for the whole time. We talked about traveling together in the future. That would entail me paying her expenses but no actual money for her. Her advice for meeting more woman was topface rather than Mamba. I created an account for next trip. I'll let you know if it works.

That for me is the sweet spot in mongering: Hanging out with one really cool girl most of the time, while having quick sex with some other girls the rest of the time. For me it's not guaranteed. It happened once before on a trip to Pattaya. On subsequent trips to Pattaya. It never did. The trouble isn't finding a girl who will stay with you (for a price, they all will) The problem is finding a girl you actually *want* to stay with you. It doesn't always happen. Try to keep in touch with the ones you do like.

Regarding Travel girls, I had some almost meetings with some other ones girls, but it didn't work out.

For the one night I did not stay with the girl I met on TG, I went to Rio. For a strip club, drinks were reasonable (I only ordered fresh orange juice and Perrier. The girl I invited over ordered an espresso. It doesn't seem like the kind of club where girls make money by suckering you to buy drinks. When I walked in, they showed me the VIP area. I asked to stay there and they agreed. The seats are more comfortable and the 'ambiance' is nicer, but I was told by the girl I brought home that the same girls dance in both the VIP and regular rooms. Though maybe the prettier ones spend more time in the VIP area. Not sure. While I was there, there were a bunch of Japanese dudes in the table next to mine and they snapped up the prettiest girls really fast. Not sure if they were tourists or businessmen. I heard them speaking Russian, but can't say if they actually spoke it or just knew a few words.

I invited one girl over and she cam and said excuse me I can't stay. Not sure if I was rejected or if the Japanese guys had requested her first. She ended up at there table. The manager / security guy cam to my table to see if I was upset but I told no big deal. A girl should have the right to choose. Anyway, a while later I saw another real hottie dancing and invited her over. She cam by a few minutes later and sat down. We talked for a while, she ordered the aforementioned espresso and I invited her out. I payed the 300 USD (that's for 3 hours, not all night) and we took a taxi back to my apartment. She was 20, definitely a 9 and fun to talk to. She spoke English but I asked that we try to speak in Russian as much as possible. She's an economics student in college and this is her way of paying expenses. According to her, she had been working at Rio for 2 weeks. At my place I did DATY for a while and as far as I can tell she liked it quite a bit. However, she neither kissed nor did any BJ work. Covered vag and finished with a HJ. Then we went out to dinner for more conversation (practicing Russian) Most girls seem to look for regular or repeat customers so she told me to ask for her by name next time, but I ended up not going to Rio again. Maybe next time. She did not offer and I did not ask for contact info. I'm guessing Rio management frowns on that sort of thing, but maybe some other girls would offer to meet during the daytime. Or maybe this one would have if I had met her again. Hard to say.

For apartment, I found one on trip advisor. It was on Kreshatic right next to Maidan on 4th floor with a balcony and two bedrooms. Second bedroom is useful if you meet more than one girl per day. A lady came by to clean up quite regularly. Definitely where I would like to stay next time.

Overall, it was a great first trip. I had no bad experiences. The Pravy Sektor protest happened on the day I left, so I didn't hear about it until I landed in Frankfurt en rout back home. (I hit an FKK but that's another story) Hope it helps.

[Horny Monger]

Funny you didn't notice that. This is a top news story today in Kiev, even the schools were cancelled because of that smog.

Does this kind of smog happen beginning September every year?