Kansai: Kobe-Osaka-Nara-Kyoto

[Metabo]

Lazy creature of habit Hatguy went down to Club Queen last night. Had same girl as last time. She was great. Really good body (for this place anyway) and I liked having my hands down her pants and all over her tits before I cummed in her mouth. The only problem is they now want 7500 yen and fucking insisted on it being 7500. I tried to pay 7000 but they were having none of it. Urgh! Its bad enough in Japan for this stuff without a small amount of leeway!

HG,

Do you not worry about contracting anything with the BBBJCIM?

I admit there is very little that is better in this world. And I have been so super tempted to go down and try your girl. I just don't want to deal with another about of syphilis or anything else.

Thoughts

[Hatguy]

Lazy creature of habit Hatguy went down to Club Queen last night. Had same girl as last time. She was great. Really good body (for this place anyway) and I liked having my hands down her pants and all over her tits before I cummed in her mouth. The only problem is they now want 7500 yen and fucking insisted on it being 7500. I tried to pay 7000 but they were having none of it. Urgh! Its bad enough in Japan for this stuff without a small amount of leeway!

[Lky400]

Been lurking here for a while and figured its time to post.

I recently visited a certain "fashion mat health" place here in Osaka. No problems getting in, left the girl selection up to chance. Can't remember her name but she was quite pretty with a good personality. Service was similar to some soaplands I've been to in Tokyo. Undress, bathed by the girl, into the bath for a BBBJ. Out with the mat. Jumped on, got nurugelled up. Was all good until after the flip, I realized she was using her crotch to massage the little guy. No penetration, but skin to skin rubbing, right in between. Had been happening for about 30 sec before I realized. WTF I thought, but I let it go on anyway.

Overall it was not a bad time, although I'm kind of worried about STDs now. Time to go get tested before visiting again.

Out of interest. Is this usual for one of these places, or did unjust get an unrequested special service?

L. K. Y.

[Lky400]

Been lurking here for a while and figured its time to post.

I recently visited a certain "fashion mat health" place here in Osaka. No problems getting in, left the girl selection up to chance. Can't remember her name but she was quite pretty with a good personality. Service was similar to some soaplands I've been to in Tokyo. Undress, bathed by the girl, into the bath for a BBBJ. Out with the mat. Jumped on, got nurugelled up. Was all good until after the flip, I realized she was using her crotch to massage the little guy. No penetration, but skin to skin rubbing, right in between. Had been happening for about 30 sec before I realized. WTF I thought, but I let it go on anyway.

Overall it was not a bad time, although I'm kind of worried about STDs now. Time to go get tested before visiting again.

Out of interest. Is this usual for one of these places, or did unjust get an unrequested special service?

L. K. Y.

[Illegal]

No. Don't tip.

I posed the question here weeks ago and no response, should have said something then!

[Anarkhia]

I had two happymail experiences last week. Monday was a 19 year old who works in a girls bar. She's burned people before so I guess I got lucky. A little heavy on the face makeup but smoking hot body. I'm keeping her email for future use.

On Friday I tried to set up a threesome. There was only one posting. Negotiations were going smoothly until I told them I was foreign. Gomen nasai. OK, your loss. The posting came up again a few hours later. I asked if they were having any luck and the girl said no. So now she was more receptive to me and we exchanged email. In the posting she said they were both pochari. I asked for a pic and she refused, saying her pic had been used in the past for malicious purposes. I sent my pic and said I would be OK with just a body pic, but she was adamantly against it. I told her I'd be willing to meet but I'd reserve the right to cancel if I didn't like what showed up. She was against this as well. So no pic and no possibility to cancel? No thank you. Bullet dodged as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah good for you, I would have backed out too. You got them down to 2man though right? Best to linger around (the site) and some hotter and keener 3p chicks will materialize. As for the going rates for the amateurs, I also say 15000 as the default price. Most girls will go for this. However, if she is unusually hot (and I've seen a pic) I think 1. 8 or 2man is still reasonable. But never more than that! Also, girls that go lower than 15000 tend to be train wrecks, unless its for car sex, which can sometimes be had for like 1man. Also, oral sex is around 1man, or slightly less, like 0. 8. The price for 3p is 2man, can't possibly expect to get it cheaper than that, unless we're talking seriously fugly. BTW if you have special desires like bareback the price might go up (if she agrees at all). All prices plus hotel.

[Azure Knight]

Enjoyed it a lot and gave 2000 yen tip, figured gaijin goodwill would be good and might be good if I visited in the future. It was a great experience and more places should be like it!

No. Don't tip. Japan is not a tipping country, and you paying more only sets a precedent for them to charge us more off the bat.

If you want to show your gratitude, talk to the girl, try to give her a good time as well or at least make things go as smoothly as possible. Basically treat her like a human. Smile and be friendly with the mamasan. Thank her as well for accepting your business. And actually do go back and choose one of the longer time options. Sounds like common sense right? But so many J-guys just blow through there expecting to be treated like kings, or they just go in and out coolly. You being a good customer goes a long way, much farther than that extra 2000 yen.

On a somewhat related note, I think we should come to a consensus for the going rate for freelancers. I think 15000 should be the standard, maybe 20000 if she's offering great service.

[Azure Knight]

So, if you can work the system happymail is ok, but as an addition to the other options out there, not a replacement.

Good luck to you all!

I had two happymail experiences last week. Monday was a 19 year old who works in a girls bar. She's burned people before so I guess I got lucky. A little heavy on the face makeup but smoking hot body. I'm keeping her email for future use.

On Friday I tried to set up a threesome. There was only one posting. Negotiations were going smoothly until I told them I was foreign. Gomen nasai. OK, your loss. The posting came up again a few hours later. I asked if they were having any luck and the girl said no. So now she was more receptive to me and we exchanged email. In the posting she said they were both pochari. I asked for a pic and she refused, saying her pic had been used in the past for malicious purposes. I sent my pic and said I would be OK with just a body pic, but she was adamantly against it. I told her I'd be willing to meet but I'd reserve the right to cancel if I didn't like what showed up. She was against this as well. So no pic and no possibility to cancel? No thank you. Bullet dodged as far as I'm concerned.

[Illegal]

So Tobita and multiple gaijin doesn't appear as restrictive as made out here. I was there Thursday before last, and as I entered I saw another gaijin leaving, and while there crossed paths with a pair of gaijin wearing t-shirts and shorts and still seemed to be getting solicited. I gave them a wide berth, just in case, so I could still get action. I was there dressed nicely about 3pm. I got about a 50% hit rate and didn't look in unless I heard "oneesan!". I took a full tour but didn't see any solicitation for cheaper on the fringes that others have mentioned. I saw many of interest and loved the setup but eventually just went with one with a cute regular build girl Sayaka (on the main street on left about halfway up, sign was the "ni" from nihon with a "7" surrounding it (don't know but 100 or so kanji). It was very GFE for 20 minutes at 16000 yen, and surprisingly included brief but good BBBJ then some covered, with mish then doggy finish. Minor issue, moans of passion started upon entry, a bit slower start would be more believable. Enjoyed it a lot and gave 2000 yen tip, figured gaijin goodwill would be good and might be good if I visited in the future. It was a great experience and more places should be like it!

On to Chinese, was in Shinsaibashi later that evening, one-two blocks east of Shinsaibashisuji, got the Chinese masseuse lead-in but a bad massage and upsell to a called-in Shanghai hooker who looked alright but not great and was all business, much worse than Tobita for not much difference in price, I won't be doing that again! I'll stick to a pre-bargained good massage and handy in that area for 6000 yen or so, if anything.

Another note, muki-mania was mentioned a couple of pages back for anal fucking but unsure about gaijin, I went by the location after Tobita but didn't check it out other than to note it is street entrance that goes directly to the basement and lacks a sign, just a frame with bulbs. I did go by the Shinsaibashi location on the lion tower mentioned as cheap but gone, to see what was there, it was one of those places where you get a girl and go to a hotel nearby, but "no sex" according to the tencho. It was amenable to gaijin business, but my Japanese isn't good enough to get clear what you get for the 10000 yen and who pays for the hotel, at least not to the guy I was talking to, but it seemed pricey to me but at least an option, though I'd go for club amour where it is clearer what you are getting for the price.

[Anarkhia]

Anarkhia is back. Been away and broke, so little mongering. Anyways, happymail has once again resurfaced as a topic under discussion so I'll just add my 2 yen. Grossman's lousy happymail experience is all too common I'm afraid, I've had some depressing ones myself. This made me think of why this option is still extremely popular in Japan. I think it has something to do with the fact that they are amateurs, its therefore a more raw and unpredictable experience. One reason why many of these girls are weird should be obvious; what kind of girl would meet a complete stranger just for some extra cash? Considering they don't have a pimp backing them up they are putting themselves into quite a vulnerable position, especially since this country seems to have more than its fair share of freaks. Also the reason many of them are weary of foreigners. So these girls are pretty reckless and wild, which once again adds to the attraction of happymail as opposed to the smooth service of pros. Even in a place like Holland where regular p4p is legal many people prefer (illegal) street hookers (who are on heroin most of the time) just for the thrill. Also, using this avenue you can take care of fetishes that regular p4p doesn't offer. Like bareback (plenty of girls offering this, note: its usually the same ones that post very often, meaning they have unprotected sex constantly, sounds like Russian roulette to me) ; outdoor or car sex; pregnant or lactating women; orgies and basically anything else you can imagine. Also, as I have described elsewhere, its easy to get a threesome for as little as 2 man, pretty cheap if you ask me. Also, whenever I meet a girl, I am extremely critical in my selection, going only for exactly the age category and body-type that I want. Then I want a photo, and I can usually figure out her attitude from her emails; if she is too cold or business-like I back out. BTW it helps if you are not too horny when doing this hehe. After a while I got better at spotting the ones I want, which are often the girls that don't do this often and just need a bit of cash at the end of the month. So, if you can work the system happymail is ok, but as an addition to the other options out there, not a replacement.

Good luck to you all!

[Azure Knight]

All.

Just posting this here since there is more discussion on HappyMail in this thread.

So if you are going to meet a girl from HappyMail, it seems to me that here is what you should work out ahead of time:

Time and place.

Length of time.

Amount of compensation.

Who pays for the hotel.

When you pay (before or after)

Is there anything else?

I remember reading that there was a slang term in Japanese to indicate whether you pay for the hotel or the girl pays for the hotel. Does anybody remember it?

When they quote you the price it'll be betsu (hotel separate) or komi (hotel included). Usually written in kanji.

[ImLondon80]

Hello guys!

I ll be in Kobe next week, please can someone suggest me some places where to have a nice full massage? Is it easy to find a sauna or similar where you can have full sex?

Is it easy to bring a girl in the hotel room?

Thank you very much!

Mark

[LoveShibuyaGirls]

All.

Just posting this here since there is more discussion on HappyMail in this thread.

So if you are going to meet a girl from HappyMail, it seems to me that here is what you should work out ahead of time:

Time and place.

Length of time.

Amount of compensation.

Who pays for the hotel.

When you pay (before or after)

Is there anything else?

I remember reading that there was a slang term in Japanese to indicate whether you pay for the hotel or the girl pays for the hotel. Does anybody remember it?

[BionicMan]

I had to read this 3 times looking for the double entendre. Apparently it's a legitimate restaurant recommendation on a prostition thread.

2nd strangest thing I've read here.

Now I am curious to know what is the 1st strangest thing.

[Azure Knight]

It's for a date I've got lined up tonight. She wants to eat chicken or beef, and she lives close to Kyobashi and offered to let me spend the night at her place, so I was trying to keep things close to her neighborhood for convenience. It's a nampa question, but I figured it made more sense to ask here rather than the nampa thread as this is specific to Kansai / Osaka.