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[Intransit]

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...3aa5a2c1547acd

'Do you think we'll pay for bad things we've done?' Revelations of Aussie sex tourists in Thailand.

July 4, 20166:59 pm.

Two Thai women working at a bar in the red light district in Bangkok, a popular destination for Australia sex tourists.

IT'S a warm Monday evening, and somewhere in southeast Asia an Australian man is about to enter a bar filled with beautiful young women.

Dan isn't ashamed to say that he's spent a lot of time in karaoke bars and red light districts around Thailand. After all, he's just one of many Western men doing the same thing.

But while Dan could be your average Australian sex tourist there's one thing that sets him apart; he's actually an undercover rescue worker, searching for [CodeWord902] girls and trafficking victims.

"It's a rough industry," he admits, as we talk of the girls he has seen rescued and the men who travel to Thailand to purchase them.

While the exact figures vary, research has shown Australian men to be among the largest contributors to sex tourism in southeast Asia, with cities such as Pattaya becoming a "home away from home" for an increasing number of Australian retirees.

However, despite being surrounded by beautiful beaches, cheap dining and endless sex, Dan says that many of the Western sex tourists he meets still feel like "something is missing".

"These men who've moved to Thailand, moved to Pattaya, moved to Bangkok, they've all got the same story," he says, sharing with me about the sex tourists and expats he's gotten to know over the years.

"They think coming to Thailand for sex is going to fill a void in their lives, so they pursue this dream — and then they realise that the lifestyle they've chosen is empty and meaningless. ".

Over the years Dan has spent time talking to many western sex tourists, many of whom — he says — seem to share a hauntingly universal story of broken relationships and regrets.

"At first they say, 'I get sex whenever I want, it's great!' But when you go a little bit deeper they always talk about their broken relationships, and how their marriage was the only one time that they felt true intimacy and love; that they could truly trust somebody," he reveals.

In particular, Dan remembers an Australian man who threw away his relationship back home to follow a lifestyle of freedom and pleasure in Thailand; a decision the man admitted was the 'biggest regret of his life. '.

"he tried everything to fill the void," says Dan. "Sex with young girls, sex with ladyboys, everything. And then one day he got to a point where he was like, 'what's next? What's left to try?

"I was sitting next to him, and out on the street in front of us were deaf girls, prostituting. He said: 'Hmm, deaf girls. Do you think they might be a good root?

It's easy to understand the emotional toll that such work takes on rescue workers and anti-trafficking staff like Dan, but it's a cause he says he never regrets leaving Australia for.

"Sometimes I wish that my calling was back in Australia, but there's a lot of hurt and broken girls that need assistance, and that's why I'm here," he says.

Sharing with me the impact that his work has had on him, Dan says that journeying into red light districts at times feels like he is entering the "most evil places on earth," but the joy that comes from helping young women inspires him to keep going.

"When we first meet them the girls they hate themselves. These girls were raped and abused, and now they feel that's all they're worth," he says. "So to see them loving life and thriving is what gets me off. ".

It's evident that Dan feels deeply for each of these girls, and his voice is often drenched with emotion as he talks about the damage done to young women at the hands of men looking to satisfy their own lust.

"Men pay for sex and then they leave; they don't journey with the girl," he says. "They don't see her crying in her room. They don't see the side I see after a rescue.

"The more men that have had sex with them, the harder it is and the less worth they feel. Lots of guys say 'they love it, they love this work. ' No, they don't," Dan says emotionally.

As I listen to Dan recount story after story, I wonder how a man so moved by justice can bear to speak to the men who purchase girls and women for sex. After all, many of the girls he has seen rescued were once raped and paid for by western sex tourists, men who Dan says excuse their behavior by claiming that they are helping the women.

"I feel like saying, 'if your daughter ended up in Thailand and didn't have any way to make money, and she was working in one of these bars, would you mind if I went and had sex with her? Would you see that as me helping her?

"They would do anything to get them out of there, but they justify it when it's a Thai girl," he says.

Incredibly however, for a man who has at times seen the worst of humanity, and heard every possible excuse, Dan can't help but feel sadness for the men he meets.

"Understandably, a lot of people in Australia, a lot of women, look at these men with bitterness and hatred and anger, but when you talk to these men, you realise the truth; that they're hurting men, they're lost men, they're men who've made decisions that have set them on a path of destruction," he explains.

"I remember one man asking, 'do you think after we die, we'll have to pay for all of these bad things that we've done? He recalls.

Recognising that each of these men are fighting their own battles does not mean that Dan condones their behavior, but rather, he understands that sex tourists need help to overcome their addictions — which in some cases, are killing them.

Over the past five years there have been many reports of Western men "obsessed with the Pattaya lifestyle" committing suicide from their hotel balconies; some of which have been caught on camera.

"Pattaya is meant to be the capital for men who want to move overseas for sex, but so many men commit suicide there," says Dan sadly.

"We were working with police and they showed us a video of a guy who threw himself off his balcony. They call it the 'Pattaya Plunge. '.

Discussions on the website 'Thai Visa' show that Western suicides are common, with many referring to the mysterious deaths as 'the Pattaya Flyers club. ' Some attribute the high rate of deaths to the region's wild and unsustainable lifestyle.

" . All the balcony jumpers is becoming all too frequent (sic)," says one user.

"Maybe after all it isn't paradise here, as some want us to believe?" says another.

It's an issue that has caught the attention of several organisations and ministry groups around Thailand such as Night Light International, and the MST Project, both of which aim to provide support to male sex tourists.

It's something that Dan agrees is well needed, not only to help men overcome their addictions, but to also help stop the damage done to young girls caught in the industry.

"I think if there were a group of men who went to the bars to meet these guys — not to preach at them — but to get alongside these men, to become mates with them and listen to their stories. That would definitely help," Dan says.

As we come to the end of our chat, I ask the rescue worker what he would say to these men if he could say anything; if he didn't have to hide who he was.

"If I could say everything and anything, I guess it would be: 'are you happy with who you've become, are you happy with this life?

"You can use all your skills and abilities to help people, not to take from them," he says.

"It's not too late to turn things around and become the man you're proud of. ".

[Blanquiceleste]

Very unlikely story.

SNIP

former bad girl, saved by a prince on a white horse, now repenting and admonishing would be "sideliners" to give up their wicked ways? Really?

Reads like a novel. Throw in some adventures featuring lions and man eating tribals, this could be the next Oscar winner.

Separate thought. I wonder how this poor prince charming is doing now, rescuing a bar girl is hard work.

[Mr Enternational]

Very unlikely story. 500 000 baht per month at a rate of 7 000 baht per customer is over 70 customers per month or 2 to 3 per day, every day!

I don't call that a "siideline girl" who "occasionally" has some paid sex.

At those prices, she'd be happy to catch one customer a day, some days, if she's lucky.

I call B.S. on that story: former bad girl, saved by a prince on a white horse, now repenting and admonishing would be "sideliners" to give up their wicked ways? Really?

Why do they make it so obvious? I went from 500,000 baht per month fucking 2 guys per day for 6 years (totalling over US$1 million) to making 8000 baht per month doing what kind of job all day in an office with a university education. Likely story.

[Wolvenvacht]

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2016/06/2...r-story-online

In Bangkok, "sideline" girls or "freelancers" are students, or women with day jobs, who aren't opposed to occasionally being paid for sex when they have overdue bills or the new iPhone comes out.

Recently, a former sideline girl, who says she has given up the sex work that generated her THB500,000 a month, shared her story on the popular Thai forum Pantip with the title, "Sideline Girl Repents. ".

Very unlikely story. 500 000 baht per month at a rate of 7 000 baht per customer is over 70 customers per month or 2 to 3 per day, every day!

I don't call that a "siideline girl" who "occasionally" has some paid sex.

At those prices, she'd be happy to catch one customer a day, some days, if she's lucky.

I call B.S. on that story: former bad girl, saved by a prince on a white horse, now repenting and admonishing would be "sideliners" to give up their wicked ways? Really?

[Intransit]

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2016/06/2...r-story-online

In Bangkok, "sideline" girls or "freelancers" are students, or women with day jobs, who aren't opposed to occasionally being paid for sex when they have overdue bills or the new iPhone comes out.

Recently, a former sideline girl, who says she has given up the sex work that generated her THB500,000 a month, shared her story on the popular Thai forum Pantip with the title, "Sideline Girl Repents. ".

In her story, she reveals that a friend taught her to do this work when she needed quick cash to pay back a debt. Seeing how easy it was, she got hooked (pardon the pun) and continued selling sex for money through college.

"I thought I was going to quit after graduation and find a nice office job, but I continued being a sideline girl because I could make a lot of money. I admitted that money was God to me. ".

The former sideline girl said she didn't always have sex with customers. Some men simply enjoyed her company, and the bar she worked for increased her pay when she became more popular among customers.

"I took that money to get plastic surgery. Then I looked better, and I could ask for better pay. I got to the point where I was paid THB7,000 per customer — the highest rate from the bar. If I worked hard, I could make THB500,000 per month. ".

She spent six years prostituting herself and then, much like a movie plot, her life changed when a customer became a boyfriend. Now, she said, she works in an office and feels better about herself.

"Other people can do it, so why can't I? I changed everything. From a luxury home, I now rent a small condo. I got a new job and it's been years since I left the business. ".

She gave a warning to other girls considering turning sideline tricks for quick bucks: "Please change your mind. Don't get into this business. All the temptations and evil thoughts are waiting for you: booze, drugs, men, partying, and shopping for brand-name stuff. ".

"You will have everything I just said, but you won't have self-worth, love or a future. ".

Nathee Sorawaree, secretary to Issarachon Foundation, an organization that helps underprivileged people, stated that the number of young women entering the sex business has increased by 30 to 40 percent. That organization cites the tough economic conditions of the country and that women can't make enough to live on or to send to their families.

Nathee also noted that the girls offering sex services online are getting younger and younger. He said that the girls are either trying to support their struggling families or simply looking for extra cash to buy luxury items they can't afford with their salaries.

Many Thai posters to Pantip thought the "Sideline Girl" was brave to come forward and warn others.

However, as the story was translated and shared in English-language media, commenters expressed disbelief that the "Sideline Girl," or others like her, would ever truly get out of the sideline game until they are too old to continue.

One user commented, in the Facebook group Everything Bangkok, about a wall that sideline girls eventually hit in their lives due to their side work and lifestyle.

"They neglect their career in favor of the easy money offered by their hooker job, they develop expensive tastes and habits and live a life of excess that will see them age prematurely. ".

"By the time they hit their early 30's, they look old as hell, they have had very average careers (as in, they haven't advanced) or they're simply not working and have high expectations with very little in the way of assets (as in looks, money, skill). ".

"For these girls, it can often (but not always) be a downward slope from the first time they exchange cash for sex. ".

[Banana Boi]

6 months for now. I just picked up keys this morning. Since I don't like motorbikes, made a call that location was worth a few extra thousand baht.

I need to install internet. Is 3BB the best value? I see it's 700 baht per month at Central Festival store.

[Mr Enternational]

Searching for my condo and settling down has been my main objective this week.

I don't know how long you are staying, but JesseJames found some good and cheap shit on airbnb when he was in town last month.

[Banana Boi]

Thanks for your replies on 'losing face' and 'hobbying over time".

I'm not one to tell girls they're the only ones and I want to be with forever, etc. I am up front and clear they are not the only ones. You guys made excellent points that no girl will control my game and my money.

So far in my first 4 days here I have sessioned at a place like soi 6 and kinnaree during the day but have really only been window shopping at gogo clubs, soapies, and iBar at night so far. Searching for my condo and settling down has been my main objective this week.

[Mr Enternational]

I have found thru experience that the words part time boyfriend / girlfriend works well in such situations. Tell the girl you want her to stay with you like a real girlfriend for a few days and then you will be gone. Tell her you will treat her well, wine and dine her, take her bowling or to the movies, buy her small gifts, go for a holiday to a resort / island.

Then an attachment has formed and next time you show back up she will expect the same thing. The chick that I hooked Cool up with keeps asking about him everyday, even though I guess he still talks to her because she told me he will be back in a couple of weeks. I say don't tell her shit. Just play it out as it goes along then when you are finished give her money and tell her bye. I don't think there is anything that I have ever said or done to get GFE. To me it is just a natural chemistry between me and the girl. Either it is there or not.

[Blanquiceleste]

I agree it is all about clear communication, but also about what both sides expect.

A guy who is into GFE is more likely to utter words of loving and undying commitment than someone whose interest is strictly PSE. Us mongers not only buy the physical services of the girls but also to a certain extent a fantasy. And while we snap out of that fantasy once we pay her to go home, she may very well have read different intentions in our behavior.

I have found thru experience that the words part time boyfriend / girlfriend works well in such situations. Tell the girl you want her to stay with you like a real girlfriend for a few days and then you will be gone. Tell her you will treat her well, wine and dine her, take her bowling or to the movies, buy her small gifts, go for a holiday to a resort / island. Do all that you must to extract the best value GFE from the girl, but at each step remind her that come day XX you will be gone and perhaps never see her again, hence it is important to make the most of it now.

But I agree that the girl may read it all wrong and you could get into a bit of a spot. Occupational hazard I guess.

[Wolvenvacht]

But you have to realize it is the guys who put themselves in this position. No chick has ever done all of that without the guy filling her head with bullshit.

I agree it is all about clear communication, but also about what both sides expect.

A guy who is into GFE is more likely to utter words of loving and undying commitment than someone whose interest is strictly PSE. Us mongers not only buy the physical services of the girls but also to a certain extent a fantasy. And while we snap out of that fantasy once we pay her to go home, she may very well have read different intentions in our behavior.

We should also not forget that many girls are indeed also looking for a long-time sponsor, BF or even husband. Something one sees far less with western hookers. It causes our Thai cuties thus more easily to be mistaken about our real intentions.

So it is not a matter of only the mongerer gven a wrong impression, sometimes the girl reads your intentions wrongly. Leaving no doubt in her mind that you are a butterfly (if indeed you are) will avoid much stress and trouble.

[Goatscrot]

But you have to realize it is the guys who put themselves in this position. No chick has ever done all of that without the guy filling her head with bullshit. Over the years I have fucked tons of chicks in the discos. Many of them have even been friends with each other. I go around and fuck each chick in the group one at a time. To this day I have not had a problem with a chick that was related to me talking to or fucking another chick. I am still cordial with all the chicks, when we see each other we speak and hug, and if I want them to come over they will come.

My cousin, on the other hand, was living in Pattaya only a few months and causing shit storms. He would always fill chicks' heads with bullshit until he stopped having to give them money. Then he would get tired of her and want to move on to the next chick. This caused the first chick to beat on his door and loud talk in the hallway at odd hours, curse him, and turn his name to mud. The cycle just continued until he had finally made a bad name for himself in the discos. No chick/vendor is going to claim you for themselves unless you put that thought into their heads.

Very well stated Mr E. Make promises, they will remember. Tell them you will only be with them; they will expect that. We all hear the stories of insanely jealous Thai women. Well, my take is that the guy had a big part in stoking the fires of jealousy. I have had two long term relationships during my tenure in BKK. One almost 8 years and one going on 9 years. Never a hint of jealousy on either's part. Unlike the US, we can for the most part set the tone for the relationship. Many make promises they never plan to deliver on. Not fair to either one of you.

[Blanquiceleste]

But you have to realize it is the guys who put themselves in this position. No chick has ever done all of that without the guy filling her head with bullshit. Over the years I have fucked tons of chicks in the discos. Many of them have even been friends with each other. I go around and fuck each chick in the group one at a time. To this day I have not had a problem with a chick that was related to me talking to or fucking another chick. I am still cordial with all the chicks, when we see each other we speak and hug, and if I want them to come over they will come.

My cousin, on the other hand, was living in Pattaya only a few months and causing shit storms. He would always fill chicks' heads with bullshit until he stopped having to give them money. Then he would get tired of her and want to move on to the next chick. This caused the first chick to beat on his door and loud talk in the hallway at odd hours, curse him, and turn his name to mud. The cycle just continued until he had finally made a bad name for himself in the discos. No chick/vendor is going to claim you for themselves unless you put that thought into their heads.

I have to agree with Mr E here. In my several years of visiting Thailand for pleasure I have never had trouble with a single chick because they all know what my nature is. Butterfly Man, Free Bird, etc. But one thing I am not is a liar. I do not lie to the girls about my intentions. Some girls have refused to sleep with me without a commitment, I bid them farewell. And in the WG circles they really only care about the money. You fill a poor girl's head with shit and that shit is going to come back at you one day. Do not make promises you cannot keep or do not intend to keep.

Remember you are there for fun, while the girls are making their daily rice bowl here. Mess with their rice bowl, its not going to be pretty.

[Mr Enternational]

No, unless that vendor has told all oter vendors that you find his food so deliicious that you have made him your exclusive provider of tasty comestibles.

Nothing you can do about this, it is all up to the vendor and how (s) he has positioned herself in the market.

But it will surely spoil your dinner experience if the vendor comes charging at you wielding a cleaver because you dared to taste his neighbour's curry.

But you have to realize it is the guys who put themselves in this position. No chick has ever done all of that without the guy filling her head with bullshit. Over the years I have fucked tons of chicks in the discos. Many of them have even been friends with each other. I go around and fuck each chick in the group one at a time. To this day I have not had a problem with a chick that was related to me talking to or fucking another chick. I am still cordial with all the chicks, when we see each other we speak and hug, and if I want them to come over they will come.

My cousin, on the other hand, was living in Pattaya only a few months and causing shit storms. He would always fill chicks' heads with bullshit until he stopped having to give them money. Then he would get tired of her and want to move on to the next chick. This caused the first chick to beat on his door and loud talk in the hallway at odd hours, curse him, and turn his name to mud. The cycle just continued until he had finally made a bad name for himself in the discos. No chick/vendor is going to claim you for themselves unless you put that thought into their heads.

[Wolvenvacht]

When you go to the food court and choose to eat at a different booth than you did yesterday, does that make the vendor from yesterday lose face?

No, unless that vendor has told all oter vendors that you find his food so deliicious that you have made him your exclusive provider of tasty comestibles.

Nothing you can do about this, it is all up to the vendor and how (s) he has positioned herself in the market.

But it will surely spoil your dinner experience if the vendor comes charging at you wielding a cleaver because you dared to taste his neighbour's curry.