German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Pahllus Maximus]

Mainhatten has an "ash room" but what other clubs have no smoking or controlled isolated smoking?

Was at Mainhatten recently. Very once 3 D action in the kino, *very* hung guy screwing this chick who loved the attention and seemed to be definitely liking it. Quite amusing to see big balls slapping against her and a huge horse like dick crammed in. Needless to say I booked her but she was a bit sore so finished with a nice BBJ.

[Mr Ho]

Very nice and respectful, you should tell it to the girls next time you come. That's funny but most of the girls I meet in sauna clubs are smart, speak a lot of languages

They may not be educated in school, but some of them are street smart, they have to be in their nation and also in German FKK to survive.

However, I have some FKK girl who retired in my sns for a while and by looking at their pictures, some of them are in university, so I guess in part, they did their FKK years to build their capital for better life.

They were street smart, got even tougher in FKK industries, then now they went for university education, I hope they will do well in their life after FKK. It is sometimes odd to see some innocent looking husband or boyfriend by their side, well who knows what is the real stories are, but I guess it does not matter in their world and our world of mongering.

Once wise forum poster posted, we are all in movie industry where we mongers are director who direct actress to give us the sexual act that we mongers want. It is all beautiful illusions that somehow last forever, it is priceless experience to find new stunner level young beauty in FKK every year.

[Mr Ho]

The younger WGs at the tourist clubs often choose NOT to copy the most successful WGs. They often choose to model themselves after the sharkiest WGs. In fact, as WGs gain experience, their service and attitude generally starts to deteriorate, skewing more towards the sharkiest WGs then towards the most successful WGs. Those two facts alone should speak volumes.

I believe these sharky WGs have observed other WGs as well as learned their own experience. They know what their threshold is for tolerating customers. The annoying customers, the delusional customers, the suffocating and emotionally needy customers, the stalker customers..

I often hear from girls I became regular with that: I want to reach 1000 euro today. So I guess 1000 Euro per shift is good income? So let be optimistic and they have 80 days like this per year, that is 80000 euro.

They work let say max another 200 days to be optimistic making 500 euro per shift, that is another 100000 euro.

So they can make about 150000 euro to 200000 euro if you are good FKK girl per year?

Then they get taxed on that one.

However, with simple mild observation above, they could make 1 million euro after working about 10 years in FKK, let say began at age 21 and finished by age 31 ish.

It is not bad amount for FKK girls living in eastern Europe or related emerging nations.

This is maybe too optimistic numbers though, because not all are top girls and also these girls tend to have expenses of their own as well.

So working in FKK may give them big capital, but they still got to do something life after FKK, well, it is better with such capital.

In closing, I tend to think younger just began recent months FKK girls are better at service than experienced one and more soft on you to negotiate fairly serving both of our interest. Experienced FKK girls tend to begin negotiation only to their favor, but similar to Donald Trump way of negotiation really LOL.

[Pessimist]

Yes. I do not disagree with what you said. Gino and I and Tintin were discussing a slightly different point, I. E. Whether it is possible for bad service girls to reform themselves and become aware that their attitude and lack of good service is impacting their business in the long term for them? And whether it is possible for mongers to guide these bad attitude / service girls in any way so that they can up their service. That is different from the point you are making which is that most of these girls come from poorly educated backgrounds and are at an immature age and are held back because of these disadvantages. While no doubt what you say is true, the fact remains that a few of those WGs who are also equally uneducated and suffer the same disadvantages have somehow sufficient business savvy and realize that good services and good attitude are actually good for them personally in the long term.

The question we were discussing was whether this good attitude / service comes to those girls inherently or is there something in the environment that made a few girls give good service while most give bad service. And whether this has degraded over time. Remember, the starting point of all this was a post from Pistons that new recruits of recent past are more money grubby with bad attitude than new recruits of 4 years ago. We were discussing how much of that was due to influence of other WGs and can we do something to counteract this?

Of course, the strong minded among us would say "just withhold paying any extras to the girls and do not give business to the bad service girls, and eventually they will be so devoid of any business and either have to change their ways or leave the business altogether". In effect, these guys have faith in the market and suggest that if only the mongers stayed united and stopped rewarding the bad service girls, the world would be alright.

I do not disagree with this view, but the flaw is that mongers are no more united than the girls. Invariably, the tourists, newbies, mongers flush with excess cash, and many others do not care about paying a few euros extra and break ranks. As in any market, it is the *marginal buyer and marginal seller* that sets the clearing price.

Some of the new WG recruits are probably getting the reverse advice from the jaded older girls "do not give kissing, BBBJ, etc etc unless the guy forks over 100 E for 30 M". Those jaded girls probably feel that if only all the girls were united then the mongers will give up, give in, and pay up wither exorbitant amounts they demand.

BTW, I have done escorts, porn stars, escorts who embed themselves in Tinder and other such sites, sugar babes and many other kinds. You are absolutely right. If looking for pure sex in a hassle free environment, the FKK price can't be beat if you are looking for young Caucasian girls.

The girls that work at an FKK are usually not the most educated girls. The FKK provides a safe environment. Which attracts the girls. Usually, girls are controlled by pimps that tell them what to do. Most think pretty short term and want fast money. When you were that age, did you really think about long term prospects? That is why you see the more educated and older girls in the high end escort business. These girls know that their looks alone will not get them far. They understand the art of seduction and many have mad skills (I. E. Globe). They understand that proper grooming, being able to speak well, being adaptable to a variety of situations, and older professional men is where the money is. They are not looking at 100 E / hour, but 1-2 K over a day or two with possible foreign trips and shopping excursions. Sex is just one part of the equation. They know wealthy men want to be pampered..

[McAdonis]

Some girls are certainly likely to take a pragmatic, business minded approach to their careers, analyze what's working well and not, look at other successful girls and what is the factor helping those girls and try to copy them. Copying may be the greatest form of flattery but that's also how all of us human beings improve from the time as babies imitating grownups how to talk, walk, eat and potty. The sensible girls in the clubs should be copying the habits of the more successful girls as you rightly said.

The younger WGs at the tourist clubs often choose NOT to copy the most successful WGs. They often choose to model themselves after the sharkiest WGs. In fact, as WGs gain experience, their service and attitude generally starts to deteriorate, skewing more towards the sharkiest WGs then towards the most successful WGs. Those two facts alone should speak volumes.

I believe these sharky WGs have observed other WGs as well as learned their own experience. They know what their threshold is for tolerating customers. The annoying customers, the delusional customers, the suffocating and emotionally needy customers, the stalker customers.[/QUOTE]My final thought is that some of these WGs have already made more money than they ever dreamed possible. Once you have reached major financial milestones, money ceases to be the primary motivating factor. Plenty of mongers in their 40-50's, particularly the ones that are not married with kids, have admitted to me that they are no longer working long hours towards a promotion like they did in their younger years. Instead, they are looking to coast to the finish line. More work-life balance. More FKK trips. I suspect the WGs are the same. For instance, the WG's financial goal might be to just net 300 EUR per 12 hour shift. As long as they are making that, they are fine with more smoke breaks in the lounge. Less time dealing with customers. And less stress.

[Sirioja]

My opinion too. It takes some effort and patience to find these girls, but it is worth it. The girls who can turn an encounter into something much more than just fun. I have never met an upselling / over charging girl who was top level.

Sometimes, you need to be patient to make a elegant girl improving for your way for sex, but you don't build chic and charm, she has inside of her, or not, like she is pretty or not. Only a few are, but can sometimes be lucky, and then you are motivated to get what you like from her. Fortunately for me, I usually attract high level girls, and most of low level girls are afraid of me.

[Sebastiane]

about blond, Marilyn look, model type, Hellis? But average face.

The blonde Marilyn-Monroe model type. I liked her face too. She was an angel! And a sweetheart and fantastic in bed with no upsell when she went with me last time I saw her at Paradise.

[Optimist]

smart girls don't speak about money, they prefer to make regular clients who return often, sometimes weekly, driving so many kilometers for me. Usually, upselling girls won t be the highest level.

My opinion too. It takes some effort and patience to find these girls, but it is worth it. The girls who can turn an encounter into something much more than just fun. I have never met an upselling / over charging girl who was top level.

[BigBuddy69]

In FKK almost all girls are un educated and you can see that from the way they behave.

Very nice and respectful, you should tell it to the girls next time you come. That's funny but most of the girls I meet in sauna clubs are smart, speak a lot of languages [Deleted by Admin].

[Pessimist]

Thank you Tintin.

And what a nice name! Tintin was one of my favorite comic characters when I was growing up. I wish I had thought of that handle first. Perhaps I will change my name to Captain Haddock or Colonel Sponz!

Agree with all you said. Not much to add when you said it so well.

"20 Euro upsell compared to your wife saying "I will give you a BJ when hell freezes over".

I was at work when I pulled this up on my phone and had to work hard to stop from ROTFL. Priceless!! Best quote of the year for me.

I have enjoyed this conversation and the thoughtful replies. As to the topic of service: I am reminded of comments that people make about NYC service in any clubs or stores. It was perfunctory even abrupt and cold. People would say in a city that large there is almost always another customer right behind you! So don't expect the majority of stores to care! As you and several others pointed out, how many people in FKK clubs are tourists, newbies or just so desperate after leaving their own home that any service is fine as long as they get laid. Most never post and I suspect many don't read this forum or any other except to look at prices. If you come from London a 20 Euro upsell compared to your wife saying "I'll Give you a BJ when he'll freezes over" is pretty darn good.

Most people don't post and the girls probably don't care. If 2 or 3 girls are successful and the rest are all upsellers my first thought would be why would 90%change to match 10%. Honestly if I were in a club and two girls were really busy I'the suspect they were offering something I'the rather not ask do. Just a different view of the Rorschach inkblot from my perspective AND as many of you pointed out. As long as they keep coming through the front door- why change.

[Member #4636]

For example, at Sharks you have Mandy, busy for club rate, and some who try to upsell, but sitting waiting. Girls are often on their clients level, look at their clients and You know a bit about the girl, but with few you can sometimes make them go on your level..

Is Mandy still there?

[Member #4636]

The girls that work at an FKK are usually not the most educated girls. The FKK provides a safe environment. Which attracts the girls. Usually, girls are controlled by pimps that tell them what to do. Most think pretty short term and want fast money. When you were that age, did you really think about long term prospects? That is why you see the more educated and older girls in the high end escort business. These girls know that their looks alone will not get them far. They understand the art of seduction and many have mad skills (I. E. Globe). They understand that proper grooming, being able to speak well, being adaptable to a variety of situations, and older professional men is where the money is. They are not looking at 100 E / hour, but 1-2 K over a day or two with possible foreign trips and shopping excursions. Sex is just one part of the equation. They know wealthy men want to be pampered. They must be available at a moments notice. And they can't look like a WG. By the time a girl is close to 30, she knows this or is struggling to earn a living. Ever wonder why a 30 year old escort can command 400-500 an hour and a 21 year old cannot? The experienced girl knows it is not about the orgams. She knows she can make a guy want to have sex and keep him interested until he is exhausted and satisfied. This does not have to mean doing the nasty stuff. She knows she can give him what no other girl can. That is why he pays and keeps coming back. There is nothing that keeps a girl from learning this except her ego and inexperience.

Fantastic report and so true!! Men want women that know how to make them exhausted and satisfied and want to come back to enjoy those moments I think that what attracts more these women is their level and class, the way they speak and behave etc. In FKK almost all girls are un educated and you can see that from the way they behave.

[Tintin1]

I agree that not all girls are not uncoachable. Some girls are certainly likely to take a pragmatic, business minded approach to their careers, analyze what's working well and not, look at other successful girls and what is the factor helping those girls and try to copy them.

Unfortunately, many of these girls took the exact wrong lesson to heart, came to the faulty conclusion that the best way to increase their business is to target mild mannered people, foreign tourists, dare I say even Asians, and otherwise scam unsuspecting mongers.

I appreciate the conversation here! I am reminded of the comments people made when they used to visit me in NYC and would ask "How can the shopkeepers keep customers with that attitude. Really abrupt and almost rude". And I would think, well with so many people walking through the door each day? It's whatever it takes to keep the door open and not too much more. Nothing personal! Life in the FKK seems to be like that. Lots of tourists, men who visit at best, 1 or 2 times a year or once in their life!!

Do the girls really care what the 1 or 2 girls do who are successful, maybe 5% of the ladies? Does that happen in many businesses? Sure some will follow but most come to work, do what they can to get through the day and leave. And if enough people come through the door who only care about that one visit, maybe even a couple visits a year, then the attitude prevails. When I see one or two girls extremely busy, I don't just think: I bet their service is incredible. Sometimes I think what extra things are they offering that the regulars all know? Consider the guy sitting in the FKK thinking: 20 or 50 for a BJ, versus going home to his wife who says: You want a BJ, when hell freezes over.

I admit it, I'm going for my first visit to an FKK, having traveled to other countries and indulged mostly in North America with its own messed up rules. And sadly, if a girl says to me 20 for kissing and she's cute enough, maybe I'll be stupid enough to pay, because when I'm in a club with naked women who may or may not be rubbing my dick, I'm not sure how in control of things I really am.

[Tintin1]

I agree that not all girls are not uncoachable. Some girls are certainly likely to take a pragmatic, business minded approach to their careers, analyze what's working well and not, look at other successful girls and what is the factor helping those girls and try to copy them.

Unfortunately, many of these girls took the exact wrong lesson to heart, came to the faulty conclusion that the best way to increase their business is to target mild mannered people, foreign tourists, dare I say even Asians, and otherwise scam unsuspecting mongers.

I have enjoyed this conversation and the thoughtful replies. As to the topic of service: I am reminded of comments that people make about NYC service in any clubs or stores. It was perfunctory even abrupt and cold. People would say in a city that large there is almost always another customer right behind you! So don't expect the majority of stores to care! As you and several others pointed out, how many people in FKK clubs are tourists, newbies or just so desperate after leaving their own home that any service is fine as long as they get laid. Most never post and I suspect many don't read this forum or any other except to look at prices. If you come from London a 20 Euro upsell compared to your wife saying "I'll Give you a BJ when he'll freezes over" is pretty darn good.

Most people don't post and the girls probably don't care. If 2 or 3 girls are successful and the rest are all upsellers my first thought would be why would 90%change to match 10%. Honestly if I were in a club and two girls were really busy I'the suspect they were offering something I'the rather not ask do. Just a different view of the Rorschach inkblot from my perspective AND as many of you pointed out. As long as they keep coming through the front door- why change.

[ExpatLover]

I agree that not all girls are not uncoachable. Some girls are certainly likely to take a pragmatic, business minded approach to their careers, analyze what's working well and not, look at other successful girls and what is the factor helping those girls and try to copy them. Copying may be the greatest form of flattery but that's also how all of us human beings improve from the time as babies imitating grownups how to talk, walk, eat and potty. The sensible girls in the clubs should be copying the habits of the more successful girls as you rightly said.

Some or perhaps many girls read ISG as well, from what I have observed and from what members wrote here. So, some of them know what men are thinking of them. This is also a form of feedback the sensible girls do not take offense and try to learn from it or they should anyway. The narrow minded girls try to track down who wrote what and blacklist their existing clients. Talk about stupidity if you are a business owner that received negative feedback from an existing customer in an anonymous survey, would you track that customer down and refuse to accept his business? For any business that wants to survive and thrive such an act would be considered colossal idiocy. But that's precisely the behavior exhibited by many FKK girls.

What a theoretical approach, I spent many months in several cities in Romania with Romanian girls working in FKK and I really don t believe that any girl in a club have this kind of approach, they just try to earn as much as possible by providing the less service possible. Be a prostitute is not a business, is also not without health issues for most of the girls, 90% of the girls have pimp or a BF or are married.