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03-01-22 04:52 #14223
Posts: 18Originally Posted by SocratesNY [View Original Post]
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03-01-22 04:17 #14222
Posts: 2672Ditto
Originally Posted by Anaggie [View Original Post]
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03-01-22 00:43 #14221
Posts: 445Great report. SocratesNY. We think alike in terms of girls and what we want on our time in SP.
Thanks for the restaurant list. Will try a few next time I am in SP.
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02-28-22 23:45 #14220
Posts: 130Sao Paulo Mongering Thoughts. Part 1
I stopped doing trip reports after my first 3 visits to SP from last year, but my lat 3-4 trips since then have been better and better so I figure I should share some of the adventures, observations and tips after my 6+ trips to Brazil in the last 12 months.
Just be aware that this is coming from the perspective of someone who visit SP for only 4 to 7 days per trip and has limited Portuguese knowledge, so time is my most precious commodity. I am not looking to spend the majority of my limited time trying to find diamonds in the rough at bargain basement prices. I don't play the normal long game that some of the locals or long-term residents play.
My goal each trip is to shag the hottest girls possible that I have good chemistry or connection with. English skills are definitely a plus as I like to take a girl out to dinner, and having to use Google translate in that environment isn't enjoyable or optimal. I don't mind paying top end prices, but also look for "value" within said venue. If I can get most of the hotter girls for a pernoite at a particular boate for R1,000 to R1,500, I ain't going to be plunking down R3,000 to some hottie looking to hustle a gringo at that same spot!
Hotels:
I have stayed at the Renaissance, Grand Hyatt, Intercontinental, Hotel Unique, Tivoli and Fasano and all of them are high end 4-5 hotels that are girl friendly. They first two treat me amazingly due to my loyalty status from frequent travel so I usually stay there.
The Renaissance is probably the best combination the price, location, service and amenities. And it is super girl friendly. They even have a few working girls manning the lobby bar during the evenings! I've also seen so many obvious working girls go in and out of the Renaissance, from clinica girls to Scandallo or "pink book" girls, many of which I have been with or seen at the boates / clinicas.
I also have had friends stay at the Bourbon, IBIS, Pullman and Mecure in SP and all say they are girl friendly and offer good location and value. They especially like the locations near Moema for clinicas or Jardins to be closer to the restaurants and boates.
Whichever hotel you choose, make sure to book for 2 or more persons. If not, the hotel can add a "guest fee" when you have a girl come to your room.
Uber:
Use it over taxi whenever you can. Not only is it cheaper, you do not have to worry about having exact change. It's generally safer as well. If you're not in a rush for time you can use regular UberX / VIP. Use Uber black when you are pressed for time, as it cuts down on cancelations. Many times, the price between Black and X is similar. And once in awhile, even cheaper!
Just be sure to check that a driver actually ends your ride after dropping you off. I had one driver drop me and a Scandallo girl off at the Renaissance and then continue driving to GRU airport on my dime! Nothing a quick complaint to Uber didn't fix. But still annoying. Some might also take circuitous routes if you are napping to jack up the fare.
ATM / Credit Card:
I usually hit the ATM at the airport upon arrival for some hobbying and pocket money. Like R1,000 to R2,000. I then hit the ATMs in the city for more hobbying cash as needed. Bradesco and Santander are my go to banks. High withdrawal limits and low fees. I suggest having a Schwab or TD bank account for international hobbying as they reimburse ATM fees.
For everything else, I use a credit card, that doesn't have international transaction fees, for food, transportation, shopping, etc. You can also charge some to all of your hobbying expenses to your CC (many of which are without any extra fees) for CC points / miles!
I usually bring $500 to $1,000 USD as emergency cash. Having that extra cash is great if you are short some Real to pay your girl and you don't want to run to an ATM. You can just give her $100 USD in lieu of R500. The extra she gets via the exchange rate will more than cover the FX exchange fee.
Boates / Clubs:
Scandallo Lounge.
Are. Cel. Diogo, 1199 - Vila Monumento, So Paulo. SP, 01545-001, Brazil.
Might as well start with the best. It is by far the best boate in SP and Brazil. I haven't been to some of the now extinct places like Help in RJ or Dongguan, China, but my friend and I that have hobbied in Rio, Germany, Spain, France, UK, Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Colombia, DR, CR, Tijuana, CDMX, other Central and South American countries, China, HKG, Macau, Thailand, and Australia all believe Scandallo beats all current hobbying venues for the sheer volume of hot young top shelf girls in one spot. Better than other clubs, FKKs, Strip clubs, etc. That we have been to that are still currently around.
The club is the most expensive of all the boates in Sao Paulo, but not that much more compared to other clubs or venues. Admission is R200 before 7 pm (and all day / night on Mondays I believe), with R150 of that consumption. After 7 pm, it is R400, with R200 of it being consumption. If you enter before 7 pm and pay the lower entry, you are welcome to leave the club and return later in the evening and you don't need to pay any additional entry. You just pay for whatever you consume. On nights with special musical acts, the admission can go up to R600 with R200 of it counted towards consumption.
Alcoholic drinks vary from R30 to R90 for most common stuff and R20-50 for non-alcoholic. The food cost is about 2 x that of a normal 3 to 4 star restaurant, but it is quite good, especially the Soups, Filet Mignon and Sushi.
What do you get for this higher entry, consumption and F&be prices? You get an elegant environment with ample space to mill around, smooze, dance, party, lounge or chill. Depending on your mood. For taking in a meal, they have a large restaurant with a long bar. They have a smaller outdoor patio for use during the day and a huge outdoor space that opens up at night, complete with fire pits and lots of seating. Their disco / club area opens up around 9-10 pm and has live musical acts.
I personally find the lighting in the restaurant a bit dark to judge how hot a girl is. The same can be said if the Disco / dance area, but the party lighting brightens things up sometimes. I prefer to see a girl in better lighting and the outdoor areas fits the bill perfectly. It is also more quiet so better place to sit down and chat with a girl. You can see what she really looks like and can more easily talk.
Most importantly, you get access to 100-150+ hot woman of all shapes and sizes to satisfy every taste. Most of the girls are light skinned and not many negras. Also almost no BBW and limited amount of Asians. Many of the girls speak capable to fluent English, as well as Spanish, French, German, Japanese or Korean! Many are very educated or have professional jobs and only do this part time, from lawyers, doctors, nurses, engineers, artists, dancers to models, etc. (I shagged at least one from each of those categories).
The girl's prices have ranged wildly within the last 12 months. When I first visited the club last year, one of the English speaking managers told me to expect the girls to ask for R300 to 400 per hour! I knew he was a bit off from reading the forms before my trip as ISG bros were posting that the girls were asking anywhere between for R500 to R800 for the hour and R1,000 to R2,000 for an overnight. With very light negotiating, my friends and I were all able to get them to agree to R400-600 per hour or R800 to R1,200 pernoite.
I've noticed that asking prices have increased a bit on my last few trips (Fall 2021 to Winter 2022) as compared to the first half not 2021. I'm getting a lot of opening offers of R800 to R1,000 for an hour to R1,500 to R2,500 for overnight. My friends and I were still able easily get most girls to come down to R500-R700 an hour or R1,000 to R1,200 for overnight, and we aren't exactly hard negotiators. With how quickly they came down in price I believe they were fishing for a rich and ignorant gringo with those opening offers or were starting at a price point to negotiate to the local market rate. Some really hot girls insisted on on R7-800 for an hour or R1,500 for overnight, which I felt was fair, as they were 9. 5's and near 10's in my book. I did bite on a couple of those and had no regrets as I received phenomenal service that matched their exceptional beauty.
There were a handful of girls that stuck hard to R1 k to R1. 5 k for the hour or R2 k to R3 k for overnight, and we just let them be. My friends and I did noticed that those that stuck to the high prices didn't do any rooms or leave with any clients that we saw, in the multiple days / nights that we were there. As the clientele is 90% to 95% locals (according to most of the girls I spoke to), they set the market rate. If the locals were not paying those high prices, and many of them are loaded and can afford to, I didn't feel the need to pay it either, especially when there are so much more hot fishes in the huge ocean that is Scandallo.
Finally, there is a room fee or exit fee. It is R230 per hour AR the hotel next door. I did that once and don't recall how the facilities are. I am sure it was clean and decent, but I prefer takeout to a more comfortable environment. To take a girl out of the club back to your place, a love hotel like LUSH, etc. Is R250.
You can charge the entrance fee, consumption, room fee and exit fee to your credit card without any markup. You can also charge what you will pay the girl to your CC, but there is a charge for that (not sure on the %.
Cafe Photo.
Av. Dos Bandeirantes, 1515 - Itaim Bibi, So Paulo. SP, 04553-010, Brazil.
I was here in November when they reopened and also in February. The place is very elegant like Scandallo, but much smaller. It is basically one open lounge space, with an S shaped bar at one end and a stage at another. There is also some tables upstairs and a dark outdoor smoking area. The space is probably 20% to 25% the size of Scandallo. The club is also located more in the city center so should be closer to your hotel / Airbnb than Scandallo or Connections.
Entrance is R350 and either R150 or R200 is counted towards consumption (I forget which) There is currently no exit or room fee, as the renovations on the hotel isn't complete.
The positive about this smaller place and layout is that most of the talent is within your line of sight / view so you can sit and see mostly everything. In Scandallo, you will have to roam and walk around from room to room, section to section, to see who is available at any given time. Cafe Photo is also more subdued and quiet so it is easier to have a conversation with a girl in the lounge. The lighting in the main lounge area is a bit dark, but brighter by the bar.
As the space is much smaller than Scandallo, so too are the amount of girls present. I've seen 30-50 girls during my visits and overall the quality optically were a little lower than Scandallo. I did see quite a some 8's and even a few 9's and 9. 5's, but as they are so few of them, they were usually occupied / taken by someone else.
The girls were asking prices similar or a little less than Scandallo so everything fits the theme of almost like Scandallo except for one big difference. The ambiance is similarly high end, the entry is a little less, the quality of the talent pool is a little less and the girl's price is a little less. However, the big negative is that the club has so many less girls than Scandallo that if you are picky like me, you can easily decide to leave and go to another club after spending 30-45 min here. With a lot fewer girls than Scandallo to choose from, you can easily leave empty handed, if all the hot ones are taken. That happened to me on multiple occasions, and paying R350 for a couple of drinks before going to another club is a tough pill to swallow.
Bomboa 222.
Are. Andr Gonalves, 40 - Itaim Bibi, So Paulo. SP, 04530-010, Brazil.
A favorite of locals, this place has a whiskeria feel. It reminds me a bit of 4 x4 in Rio and I found their food or be good and drinks to be strong. Entry is now R250, all consumption. I never did a room here sure on room fee and the one time I took a girl out, they didn't charge me an exit fee as I was leaving near closing time or the bouncer like me, as I tipped him on each of my trips. I just saw him wave to them to not charge me.
The space is about 1/2 the size of Cafe Photo, but they have an upstairs area with tables for eating and an outdoor smoking area. Upstairs is super quiet, while downstairs in the main area can be quite loud.
I found the talent here to be similar to clinica talent, with a few above that in the Scandallo range. I found prices for the girls to be just a tad less than Scandallo / Cafe Photo. I normally would skip this places if my friends didn't want to check it out or wanted a change of pace / venue. It also is a good spot to hit up for dinner and drinks and getting digits before going to Scandallo!
Connection Night Club.
Av. Dr. Eduardo Cotching, 1178 - Jardim Analia Franco, So Paulo. SP, 03356-001, Brazil.
This place is pretty far away from the city center. I first went there last year when local COVID restrictions / curfews forced Scandallo to close at 9:00 pm. A lot of the girls from Scandallo went to Connection to continue working. I believe entry was like R50 before 7 pm and R100 after.
The place has a disco area and bar just a little smaller than that of Scandallo and a dining and outdoor smoking area further back in the club. The place is usually very loud and you need to move to the back of the club to the restaurant or outdoor patio to talk.
The place was hopping the 1st two times I went there last year and had lots of hotties (60-90) that were more of a slutty, PSE with lots of fake Ts & As, with some sprinkling of cute GFE look. Now that the pandemic is more normalized and most restrictions are gone, the place isn't the same. Earlier this month, I saw about 30 girls and only 2-3 that interested me, but of course they were taken / occupied.
57 House Friend's Club.
Alameda dos Aics, 1293 - Moema, So Paulo. SP, 04086-003, Brazil.
This place is in the heart of Moema, surrounded by many popular clinicas. It operars as a clinica by day until 8 pm. Then it turns into a boate. There is a sizeable lounge area similar to Bomboa and a restaurant and pool table in the back. There is no admission, and you just pay for consumption. Exit fee is R200.
During the day when it is a clinica, you can ask for a presentation of lineup or just go into the lounge / restaurant to mingle with the girls. All the girls hang out in the open, unlike other clinicas where they are in their dressing room. If you see a girl you like, you can chat her up, buy her a drink, etc. The prices are preset Ike a clinica during the day. I think it is R250 per HR and some folks mention there is a reviewers special at R150.
The one time I went at night (Tuesday), I wasn't impressed. About 10 girls, but 1 was a hottie I had previously seen during the day. I've heard others say this place can sometimes be rocking at night after 9 pm, as some of the local clinica girls come there after their shift.
Lotus Club (Old Cafe Photo location?
Av. Pres. Juscelino Kubitschek, 373 - Itaim Bibi, So Paulo. SP, 04543-010, Brazil.
Went by here once in a Friday night at around 12 pm and it was super dead. The club is like a block away from Bomboa. I believe it was R300 entry with R150 consumption or just R200 entry with 0 consumption. The host knew it was super dead and warned me. She offered to show me around before I decide whether to stay or not.
The place just recently renovated and is modern and gorgeous. The size is similar to Cafe Photo with super high ceilings. Unfortunately, there were like only 3-5 girls so I told the host another time. My friends went there on another time on a Wednesday or Thursday night and it wasn't much better with around 8 to 10. Girls.
Just realized how long my post is getting so I will do a second post about Clinicas, places to eat, and good and bad experiences from my previous 7+ trips.
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02-28-22 23:42 #14219
Posts: 130Sao Paulo Mongering Thoughts. Part 2
Besides boates / clubs, my friends and I also hit up a lot of clinicas, mostly near the Moema area. There are at least 8 to 10 within walking distance to each other, although I mainly only went to five or six of them. Prices are around R150-R190 for 30 min or R220 to R250 for 60 min. There are also 4 hand (dupla) specials and reviewer specials offered.
There or also some high-end places all over SP, where they show you an iPad of the talent. (Oro Spa, The Palms, Lotus Lounge, etc.) Prices range from R500 to R700, but I never got around to trying them out.
Clinicas:
Moema Prime.
Av. Ira, 511 - Moema, So Paulo. SP, 04082-001, Brazil.
Prime is my favorite place as it has a large roster, lots of variety with lots of newbies coming by for a short tour, regular vets who provide good to great service and an inviting, clean and friendly atmosphere. It is R180 for 30 min and R250 for 60 min.
The two receptionist are both awesome. They are friendly and helpful, especially Patricia, who is a riot! The girls here are usually slimmer but they have quite a bit of voluptuous ones too. They get a lot of newbies rotated in and out so every week is a mystery especially on the weekends!
I've seen 5 or 6 girls here and they range from good to OMFG in terms of service. I had my first unsolicited anal sex in Brazil here with a girl that was just there for a week. I had my best clinica sessions (and top 10 overall across all venues) in Brazil here. Her name is Jade and provides passionate GFE / PSE service that will blow your mind. 12-16 girls are usually working here.
Abbbora.
Alameda dos Guaramomis, 1275 - Moema, So Paulo. SP, 04076-012, Brazil.
My second favorite place even though I never took a girl here. Their roster is wide and varied and I saw many friends go with girls I would have taken, if they didn't choose them first! 10-16 girls.
Clinica Miruna.
Av. Miruna, 644 - Indianpolis, So Paulo. SP, 04084-002, Brazil.
Very consistent spot with some hotties. Had two slim spinners here and both were decent. 7-10 girls.
Enjoy Spa.
Rua Condessa do Pinhal, 279 - Campo Belo, So Paulo. SP, 04610-060, Brazil.
Just like Abbbora, I didn't session here, but friends did and I would have too, if I didn't give them first dibs. 7-10 girls.
57 House Friend's Club.
Alameda dos Aics, 1293 - Moema, So Paulo. SP, 04086-003, Brazil.
I had been here about 3 times without sessioning, as I either deferred to my friend or I was tight on time or a girl I was interested in wss talking to someone. The talent is decent during the day with around 6-10 girls.
I found a diamond in the rough on my last visit here last year. She clearly stood out from the pack due to her looks. I deferred to my wingman as he was leaving that night and I had a few more days.
After he told me she gave only "okay lite GFE service", I decided to see her anyway as she was a 9 to 9. 5 in looks for me. Her pricing was clinica pricing, so not expensive. Saw her for R400 for 2-3 hrs. She and I clicked at my hotel, as our chemistry was off the charts. One of the best True GFE session I had. And we only spoke via Google Translate! Extended to overnight for R700 total. Among the best value I had in SP in terms of: looks + service / $$ ratio.
Kamna Spa.
Av. Moaci, 885 - Planalto Paulista, So Paulo. SP, 04083-002, Brazil.
Same as Enjoy above, but smaller roster.
Food:
SP ia a foodie's paradise, especially with the crazy good exchange rate if you are from the US, UK or Europe.
My top 10 restaurants I have eaten at are:
1) the. O. M. - Michelin star fine dining.
2) A Casa do Porco Bar. Pork lover's paradise.
3) Jun Sakamoto. Amazing omakase.
4) Ryo Gastronomia. Creative and tastey sushi.
5) Nino Cucina. Elegant and yummy Italian.
6) Figueira Rubaiyat. Great steaks and tapas.
7) Barbacoa. Better Brazilian steakhouse than Fogo de Cho.
8) Camares Restaurante. Good seafood, fish and shrimp.
9) BICOL Korean Cuisine. Korean food that feels like home.
10) Mocot. Traditional Brazilian food.
Special mentions:
11) Seen. Restaurant & Bar. Mixology lover's wet dream.
12) Skye. Cool rooftop bar.
13) BotaniKaf. Great brunch spot.
14) Banana Caf. Dessert and coffee.
15) O'Malley's. The ultimate sports bar in SP carrying all NFL games.
16) The Blue Pub. Great pub food and. Good place to watch sports.
Experiences and random musings:
Most of my mongering on my SP ended up being with boates girls and all, but one, were pernoite or multiple hours romps at my hotel. Most of the girls were from Scandallo, but I did pull a few from Connection, Cafe Photo, Bomboa and 57 Friends.
I had planned to hit boates at night and clinica during the day, but the pernoites were usually so good and lasted late into the morning or early afternoon that I had no energy or desire to hit up a clinica or check out online girls during the day.
I ended up with 4 Scandallo "wives" at one point, that I was repeating with on subsequent trips. It was getting to be too much as I wanted variety as well as good repeats. But things have a way of working themselves out.
One eventually got jealous of me seeing other girls and ditched me in an angry fit. Even though she was seeing other clients. Another started a serious relationship with a guy and we stopped seeing each other, but remain platonic friends. One moved to Europe for school. I am glad my last Scandallo wife is still in SP, as she is my favorite. She is super chill, looks hot as fuck, speaks fluent English and a freak in bed. She also has super hot model / influencer friends who work UTR as pink book girls! She is so amazing that I want to take her on trips to other places in Brazil in the future, or even out of the country.
Some of my friends were more clinica guys and they were happy as clams having 2-4 different clinica girls a day at 30 min each session. One friend of mine stuck gold with an online girl and spent most of his time with her. There are so many hobbying options in SP that you can do what fits your comfort level.
I speak very little Portuguese, but have no issues communicating with the aid of Google translate. The conversation mode is incredibly powerful. Knowing some common greetings and questions is helpful in breaking the ice though. Knowing Spanish also helps as some girls understand or speak it.
Google Fi works great in SP, as do Verizon and AT&T international day passes. I didn't bother with local SIM as I averaged about 5-6 days per trip.
Finally, I think besides my wallet, the main reason I had such a great time mongering in SP is because I treat the girls with respect. Too many of the local Brazilian men treat their women like objects and treat them like shit. A wise dude recently told me that Brazil is the last western country where macho men are still accepted and still rule supreme here. I agree with him, but that doesn't mean their women isn't yearning to be treated more like equals.
I think my generousity and treating them with respect has yielded incredible dividends, as I had some of the most passionate true GFE sex I've ever had. Brazilian women are passionate, generous, sexual dynamos and I only wished I discovered Sampa earlier in my hobbying career.
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02-28-22 21:27 #14218
Posts: 130That's what everyone is telling me. Security kicked 3 girls out. 1 was cut in the arm. Must be that desperate to fight over a client.
Originally Posted by MixedSalad07 [View Original Post]
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02-28-22 04:16 #14217
Posts: 2193I will say having a GF is fun.
When in Rome. When in Rio, having a hoar as a GF is something I would recommend for a while.
Originally Posted by TiaVoyage25 [View Original Post]
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02-28-22 02:46 #14216
Posts: 68Agreed
Some bargain deals just aren't worth it my friend! Think of the kids resulting from such a union! They would never live it down.
Originally Posted by Vagabundo1 [View Original Post]
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02-27-22 23:10 #14215
Posts: 16Is there anything fun to do in this city on Sunday nights? Everything seems to be closed. Maybe Casarao is the only place that seems like it might be open?
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02-27-22 14:06 #14214
Posts: 2193Well said.
I've done a mini relationship of 25 pernoites BBFS with a tier 1 terma girl (300-500 r per).
Leasing is the right analogy.
You never want to buy a working girl. Jesus what a clusterfuck of a family.
That said the cost per fuck goes down considerably.
Originally Posted by TiaVoyage25 [View Original Post]
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02-27-22 12:10 #14213
Posts: 57Originally Posted by Fewdie [View Original Post]
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02-27-22 01:46 #14212
Posts: 68Catching up
Gentlemen,
I am back from the abyss (temporarily) for some small commentary. I was almost able to pull off a trip to Brazil in a couple weeks, but will be going to Colombia instead.
Nonetheless, I would like to chime in about pernoite. As a general rule, I don't do pernoite because I'm not interested in getting it with the same girl more than once if I'm paying. That's what girlfriends are for (personal preference of course). BUT, the one time I did pernoite in Scandallo the girl's vag smelled like death. That is just my luck for not giving it a test run in the hotel above the venue. Horrible experience, but since I'm a nice guy I made up a story about why she had to leave. Feel free to read all about it from my trip reports last summer. I get that this is a rental car business and that you can't test ride before you get a rental car, but I consider pernoite a lease. I will absolutely test drive a vehicle before I lease it. And the golden rule of this hobby gentlemen. Never buy.
Anyway, that isn't meant to slander Scandallo's name at all. The place is paradise on earth. I'll be back this summer for quite a while to enjoy that experience. Until then, keep up the good fight.
Tia.
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02-26-22 23:11 #14211
Posts: 158Worth it
I've been catching up on some reading while waiting for my date tonight. I'm on the ground but in Montreal, man the potential here is huge! Anyhow, I think I agree with the camp that says what you pay is worth it to you if you have a great time. Would some others get a bargain at other places or if they speak Porto? Maybe, but to me, I've paid 1500 consistently for my pernoites and have not been disappointed or got bad service. Heck, in two I got BBFS for the same cost. Scandallo is no doubt the place to be.
For comparison, I've sessioned with 8 girls this week so far, and the cost of a pernoite in Brazil would only get me 1. 5 h of fun here. So hell yeah it's worth it. Even at 2000-2500 it's still worth it. I have a dinner date with a girl I sessioned with this week and hopefully spend the night after, we have not discussed any money, but I expect to give her some afterwards.
I never felt the need to try a girl in Scandallo prior to doing a pernoite, I guess I trusted my instincts every time and they didn't fail me. I only visited Rj once and I think Termas are a nice change of pace but I'm a Scandallo fan, I hope to be back later this year, once I'm done banging all the hotties I can here in Montreal.
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02-26-22 22:15 #14210
Posts: 130Fight at Scandallo
Anyone saw that fight at Scandallo last week between some girls over a client?
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02-26-22 22:04 #14209
Posts: 57Fr sp
Just wrapped up a trip. 5 pernoites: 3 from Scandallo, one from Connections, and one from 57.
Prices ranged from 800 - 1500 $.
Had one social media influencer via a connection for 2000 $.
Did one clinica run at Aboborra which has yet to disappoint me.
I'm not going to go super in depth on this report, but the experiences were diverse and satisfying. Got CBJ with on one of the pernoites, but that was on me too because I didn't verify.
Stay safe.Last edited by MixedSalad07; 02-26-22 at 22:09. Reason: Typo