Kyiv

[CityHunter77]

Great Report!

This report fully reflects my experience and what I saw here in Kiev.

I stayed here many, many days the last two years.

Always in the prime area in the center on Kreshschatyk, right around the Metro and Mcdonald's.

There are only very few 8's or 9's these days during the day on Kreshschatyk.

I saw a lot more of better looking and hotter available girls in other E. E. Cities.

If you think about coming here for mongering, you'd better forget it!

Kiev is becoming more dangerous and as a mongering destination, it's pitiful.

Save your time and money and go elsewhere.

Hotter girls available in what other E. E Cities?

[Horny Monger]

I am in Ukraine now. I like it here quite a bit. However, I don't think this is quite the mongering destination it used to be. It is also getting unsafe. The people here are extremely racist against people who don't look like them. I blend in, but those who do not are treated badly. There have been many assaults in recent weeks against foreigners visiting Ukraine. As the political situation deteriorates, I imagine this will only get worse.

I am not a serious monger, but I did have a chance to visit with an apartment girl in Kiev. It was a nice experience, but she was only average looking and I spent about $150 for 1.5 hours. I have a couple of other friends here who have had similar experiences. Don't get me wrong, she was petite and the sex was good. The sex was better and cheaper and the girls were much hotter in Bangkok.

There are very hot girls in certain parts of Kiev, but to be honest, those girls are spoken for. There are more Range Rovers per capita in Kiev than in Chicago. The statics suggesting this place is poor are false. There is a huge black market here and there are a ton of rich guys.

I honestly think the sex scene in the FKK clubs in Germany is better for the average monger.

Also, there is absolutely zero value to being a middle class American. Unless you are willing to stay at the most expensive hotel in town, purchase a table at the best club in town, score drugs, and shell out $200/500 per night for the girl, you will not be achieving much with the 9's-10's you fantasize about and see on model sites and web porn videos.

You can get that girl much cheaper and easier in Germany at a high end brothel.

Also, the language barrier is fairly high. If you don't speak fluent Russian you will not be able to find a hot girlfriend in Kiev. You may find a decent middle-aged girl, but the quality is not that much higher than in the US or western Europe. Also, most single girls over 25 in Ukraine are high-mileage, and many are retired prostitutes. If you go to Lviv, you must speak Ukrainian (not Russian) to be able to connect with girls there. Otherwise, you are limited to about 5-10% of the population who are fluent in English. The monger scene in Lviv is nonexistent. The town is beautiful and worth a visit with your wife.

Prague is still very good. Germany has some of the best mongering in the world. Also, Bangkok is one of the best cities I've ever been to for pro and non-pro action. I've had great experiences in Colombia and have also heard great things about Rio. Argentina was better when Madahos was open.

If you are fluent in Russian and have a very large wad of cash to blow, Kiev may be your paradise. Otherwise, you are going to come here and window shop some amazing girls on the street, and then overpay for sex with an average high-mile hooker in a dirty apartment, or find a retired prostitute to date and financially support.

If you bring in $15-20 k per month, have the energy to chase girls, and are independent from work, I recommend you take Russian lessons for the next 6 months and head directly to Kiev for the full length of your visa. Otherwise your time is much better spent elsewhere.

I think the guys who linger in Kiev are living in a fantasy zone where they see extremely hot girls around town and think if they "hang around the hoop" long enough one will fall into their lap. If they study Russian or Ukrainian and become fluent, and have very good income, this would become a reality. But most of the foreign mongers I've met are not of that ilk, and they aren't getting laid by 9-10's in Ukraine.

If you are happy paying $100+ for 7-8 quality girls with petite bodies and high mileage and are coming for a short period of time, this place is fine. Just don't get your hopes up. The super-hot photos on the web are all fake.

My 2 cents.

Great Report!

This report fully reflects my experience and what I saw here in Kiev.

I stayed here many, many days the last two years.

Always in the prime area in the center on Kreshschatyk, right around the Metro and Mcdonald's.

There are only very few 8's or 9's these days during the day on Kreshschatyk.

I saw a lot more of better looking and hotter available girls in other E. E. Cities.

If you think about coming here for mongering, you'd better forget it!

Kiev is becoming more dangerous and as a mongering destination, it's pitiful.

Save your time and money and go elsewhere.

[Raffzahn]

However I actually do not consider Kiev traffic a major issue for me since I have driven I Kiev before and in even worst places like Santo Domingo and Nairobi as well as Moscow.
Regarding parking Paris taught me to be quite "creative".

Well, good luck to you. I found having a car in Kiew is like being chained with an iron ball. Also it's less about creative parking, then not parking on public spots someone considered private. They usually don't call a tow truck.

Regarding taxis, I always had some uncertainty. Perhaps it's me but I had a quite a lot of bad experience also in western countries as well in my own home town. I always feel a little bit out of control and especially during night time. There is usually no problem if you are going to an address but the return home I sometimes find myself in an unknown area during late night. And my "famous luck" always arrange for absolutely no taxi for hours. In this perceptive I also imagine a bit unsafe for a girl to get her "favorite cabbi" feels a bit hazardous since she could call four big guys with nice metal bats. But perhaps it is just me but this is the way my thoughts are going.

Oh, for sure, picking a random cab as a non Russian speaking foreigner yields a high rate of scam. That's why I suggest asking the girls. Unless you happened to pick some serious hardened professional, they are quite nice and helpful. I never had someone who has been personally referred to me by a girl scamming me. Ofc, they are only in for the money, but remember that FSU society is based on personal networks. Way more than here in the west. He's aware that you might meet the girl again, so scamming you (past the usual tourist tax), would damage his contact. And he'd for sure not get any follow up call from you. That's serious business, a ride to the airport with you does cut a whole day for him. They go great length to deliver a good service (like picking you up at 5 am for red eye flights) and making really sure you reach them. Heck, I had more than once the girl calling the cabbie during such a ride to make sure everything works out great.

Unless he has an urgent daytime job, he will be more than willing to lead you around town all day. That's like your own car but with a driver and guide (and maybe even translator) at a real low rate. We're talking like 30-60 USD for a *long* day Oh, maybe a clarification, when talking about a cabbie, these guys are usually NOT licences cabs, but private man with a car. So kind of a sub surface business.

This may sound crazy to you, but even the usual factory like working hotel ladies will treat you as a human even after the business is done (If you treat them as human ofc). Yes, Ukraine and Kiew foremost is changing a lot, but even with all these changes it's still way different from what you experience in Europe or the US.

Regarding finding trustworthy cabbie and have him show me the beauties and help finding a fair price and avoiding usual traps, but also show you some hidden locations, I would really appreciate tips on both hidden locations as well backyard brothels.

Again, use you first girl (Hotel, Mamba) to get pointed to a trustworthy driver. Believe me, everyone in Kiew has always someone eager to earn money with his car. For the locations, I have a hard time to find them again myself. Even with an address it's hard to find some apartment in these endless projects in Kiew. And way more complicated to find these off road datchas. I'll let me surprise every time I'm over).

[Irish Lad]

Most definitely **NOT** what I was thinking. I was thinking that I while have plenty of P4 P experience, I have zero experience in finding the right sponsoree or semi-girlfriend. So what happened to you could easily happen to me and probably will. Though it will not be the same girl. I take that warning seriously.

Thanks again for relating this experience. Most guys want to report conquests and successes. Which is great. But we need to know about the bitter as well as the sweet.

The best thing I can say is "If it feels wrong, it is wrong". Can happen to anyone. That girl wrote me with a "you in Ukraine now?" and stopped writing after I said "Yes, I live in Kiev".

[Riina]

Do we really need propaganda posts like this in here?

I love Kiev. I plan to return as soon as it normalizes. It's a complex scene.

Their is no thread on ISG more full of propaganda than Kiev thread. It would have gone dead like the other EE cities if it were not for all the nightlife venues geared towards Westerners.

[TigerWoo]

http://sputniknews.com/world/2015081...o-live-In.html

Kiev a shitty place to live.

Do we really need referrals to Russian propaganda on this website too? This Russian run site funny enough do not mentioned about the fall in ranking of St. Peterburg and Moscow.

Please let us use this website for what it is for, and stop spreading political issue.

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[FiddyCent]

http://sputniknews.com/world/2015081...o-live-In.html

Kiev a shitty place to live.

Maybe so Riina, but that works to our advantage.

FiddyCent.

[Raffzahn]

http://sputniknews.com/world/2015081...o-live-In.html

Kiev a shitty place to live.

Do we really need propaganda posts like this in here?

[Riina]

http://sputniknews.com/world/2015081...o-live-In.html

Kiev a shitty place to live.

[Horny Monger]

The downside of renting apartment in Kiev is that during your stay, the apartment can be WITHOUT WATER for a day or two.

If this happens, your apartment basically becomes useless for incalls / mongering.

My apartment has no water and I am right on Kreshschatyk!

Apparently this happens every now and then and quite frequently even in the upscale areas on and around Kreshschatyk.

This will never happen in a hotel.

[Jolion]

Hello Raffzahn,

Think of it like a combination of NYC space, Istanbul habits and Westen Baltimore security.

Hahahahaha, great comparison. I loved it! But first of all I really appreciate your post, thanks a lot! However I actually do not consider Kiev traffic a major issue for me since I have driven I Kiev before and in even worst places like Santo Domingo and Nairobi as well as Moscow. Regarding parking Paris taught me to be quite "creative". Anyway thank you for the heads up!

Regarding taxis, I always had some uncertainty. Perhaps it's me but I had a quite a lot of bad experience also in western countries as well in my own home town. I always feel a little bit out of control and especially during night time. There is usually no problem if you are going to an address but the return home I sometimes find myself in an unknown area during late night. And my "famous luck" always arrange for absolutely no taxi for hours. In this perceptive I also imagine a bit unsafe for a girl to get her "favorite cabbi" feels a bit hazardous since she could call four big guys with nice metal bats. But perhaps it is just me but this is the way my thoughts are going.

Regarding finding trustworthy cabbie and have him show me the beauties and help finding a fair price and avoiding usual traps, but also show you some hidden locations, I would really appreciate tips on both hidden locations as well backyard brothels. A PM would be fantastic!

[Raffzahn]

I am going to Kiev in about a week and besides renting a flat I have rented a car.

Bad idea. Kiew trafic is terrible. At least if you'are not used to local customs AND the area. Also parking in the inner city is not really easy. Unless you're fluent in Russian. Think of it like a combination of NYC space, Istanbul habits and Westen Baltimore security.

And frankly, you don't need it. During daytime public transit is great, all other times, take a cab. The only time I found a car useful is for a visit on the country side, and even for such occasions, ask the girl of the hour, she will have some friend willing to move you around the whole day for a rather low amount of money plus dinner.

My ambitions are to pick up girls in different areas and bring them back to my place.

That's what taxis are for. Every girl has her own preferred cabbie, and numbers of trustworthy agencies.

If you're thinking of picking street walkers, are you sure you even recognize them in time, while driving _and_ be able to negotiate in time?

Now, if you really like the thrill, find a trustworthy cabbie and have him show you the beauties and help finding a fair price. He will not only find the ones while avoiding usual traps, but also show you some hidden locations, you wouldn't even think of turning into otherwise. Not to mention all the backyard brothels in living areas like left beach.

H.

[Kuranyi]

Can anyone recommend another good massage place with happy end in Kiev?

So far salondolly and luxmassage is on my list.

[Riina]

Girls are not interested in foreigners like ten years ago.

Ten years ago, everything centered around Kiev and foreigners. Now, they are connected to the world. Kiev is still a pussy paradise, but you have to have friends. Few Westerners would want to embrace that culture and deal with the isolation.

[Gopnik]

I've lived and worked in Kyiv for a combined 18 months now. I've lived and hung out not only in the centre, but also in places that tourist never go to, like Shuliavska and Akademmistechko. I can honestly say nothing has ever happened to me. Not once. I've even walked around at 2 and 3 am.

Of course there is crime in Kyiv, as in all major cities. However, I don't think Kyiv is anymore dangerous than anywhere else. Most crimes committed are against opportune targets, like the gentleman walking home intoxicated from Ugly Coyote (I actually live 2-minutes from this club and have never had a problem as it's a well-to-do area). You can always get a taxi in Kyiv, just ask the staff at the restaurant or club to help you call one.

Yes, the economy in Ukraine is terrible right now. Times are tough. However, if you take some small precautions, you shouldn't experience any problems.