Bangkok Reports

[EihTooms]

Go back and read the original discussion it is about saying hello to the WG with customer or returning her greeting.

Who is we, you speak for more than yourself here or are you so incapable formulating your own thoughts coherently you need others to assist you? You dishonestly introduced the "need" word when no one said there was a need. I corrected you on that along with several other misstatement you made like changing the Hello, greeting to a chat when no one said that but you and your conclusion that saying Hello, will negatively affect the WG when you have no proof that it will. I am not convinced by your argument that saying Hello, or returning her greeting when she is with a customer will affect her negatively and you have not shown me otherwise which is why I said I will continue as usual.

The only insecurity and neediness I see is from you and your need to protect WGs. This is about saying hello not lobbying tiny grenades into laps as you deceptively put it, No one but you said that. Changing the narrative does not advance your argument, its dishonest. Not everyone has the same nefarious mind set you are putting forth here, A hello, is a hello, and nothing more and you can't prove otherwise but for you to reach the diabolical conclusion that because someone said hello to the WG with her customer or return her greeting that she will be affected said more about your need to unnecessarily protect WGs.

1. Go back and read how many times posters (not only me; we) clarified that we aren't talking about the times a P4P girl with a customer said hello to you first but when you looked into her face and said it to her first. Yet you still include that in your replies as though the only posts you read were the first ones and as if your including that might blur the line in the stark difference between the two.

2. I said "we" because your defiant and repeated assurance that you are bound and determined to continue doing it no matter what was not a reply to me but to other posters. I certainly saw that as a sure sign you are not in any way addicted to the behavior. But you are correct in that I can't be sure anyone else reading those assurances (we) see the same sure signs of no "need" there that I saw.

3. The reason I added the notion that a brief conversation might follow your saying hello first to a P4P girl with another man is there in my posts; you don't know what her reaction will be. She might very well decide that a normal expression of being human when someone she knows says hello to her is to reply with "Oh hi! I was just thinking about you. I'm fine. How are you? Mom, Dad, the kids, the dog and cat doing alright lately? Have you seen Black Panther yet?"

And what will you do IF she wants to take your hello further than either a lone hello back or utter silence on her part? Avert your eyes and ignore the effort? Kind of rude, no?

Then again, if no P4P girl with another man has ever carried on an exchange with you beyond only saying hello back or saying nothing at all, maybe they aren't nearly as interested in sharing this aspect of humanity at this particular moment as you are. And it even could be that she, the man she is with and anyone else witness to the moment fully understands the message and meaning of your looking into her face to say hello first (see my posts) and would rather get past this awkward glitch in the evening ASAP and get back to whatever positive vibe the two them were working on before you arrived on the scene.

[Run Mann]

I and others agree with you that no explanation is necessary for acknowledging someone who says hello to you first. Not sure why you keep lumping that into the issue when no one is asking why you do that. It is only regarding the part about you saying hello to a P4P girl with another man who has said nothing to you..

Go back and read the original discussion it is about saying hello to the WG with customer or returning her greeting.

We certainly get that you don't "need" to do it by the way you defiantly and repeatedly assured us that you are bound and determined to continue doing it no matter what.

Who is we, you speak for more than yourself here or are you so incapable formulating your own thoughts coherently you need others to assist you? You dishonestly introduced the "need" word when no one said there was a need. I corrected you on that along with several other misstatement you made like changing the Hello, greeting to a chat when no one said that but you and your conclusion that saying Hello, will negatively affect the WG when you have no proof that it will. I am not convinced by your argument that saying Hello, or returning her greeting when she is with a customer will affect her negatively and you have not shown me otherwise which is why I said I will continue as usual.

For my part, I just never felt insecure and needy of attention enough not to abide seeing a former P4P girl with another man without my lobbing a tiny grenade into her lap by saying anything to her first that might mean she will feel it necessary to talk about me or explain anything about me to her other man for the next minute or two while I stroll off with a self-satisfied grin about the possible repercussions no matter how benign they might be..

The only insecurity and neediness I see is from you and your need to protect WGs. This is about saying hello not lobbying tiny grenades into laps as you deceptively put it, No one but you said that. Changing the narrative does not advance your argument, its dishonest. Not everyone has the same nefarious mind set you are putting forth here, A hello, is a hello, and nothing more and you can't prove otherwise but for you to reach the diabolical conclusion that because someone said hello to the WG with her customer or return her greeting that she will be affected said more about your need to unnecessarily protect WGs.

[EihTooms]

No one needs to have a compelling reason or convince you or anyone here why they are doing anything, especially engaging in a courteous and harmless act like saying Hello or acknowledging someone who said it to you first, which in my view needs no explanation.

I and others agree with you that no explanation is necessary for acknowledging someone who says hello to you first. Not sure why you keep lumping that into the issue when no one is asking why you do that. It is only regarding the part about you saying hello to a P4P girl with another man who has said nothing to you.

We certainly get that you don't "need" to do it by the way you defiantly and repeatedly assured us that you are bound and determined to continue doing it no matter what.

And it isn't critical that you provide an explanation to anyone for the behavior, of course. But maybe those of us who don't do it are missing out on something by not doing it. So that is why I asked.

For my part, I just never felt insecure and needy of attention enough not to abide seeing a former P4P girl with another man without my lobbing a tiny grenade into her lap by saying anything to her first that might mean she will feel it necessary to talk about me or explain anything about me to her other man for the next minute or two while I stroll off with a self-satisfied grin about the possible repercussions no matter how benign they might be.

[SlowAndEasy]

Here is how I got to that; when an uninvited interloper interjects an unsolicited "hello," into the face of a working girl who is by all evidence working her way toward being fucked by another customer for real money, everyone in this trio and anyone witness to it knows exactly what your message is; "I fucked this one before he did. Hey, it's all good, dude. Hope you enjoy my sloppy seconds."

Now, why would you feel uncontrollably compelled to even risk sending that message to anyone in the P4P game?

While your argument has valid points, you are over thinking this.

I have had a few situations where I have been with a girl and some guy is trying to get her attention or comes by to say Hello,. I usually ignore him. If the girl says Hello, back, I will usually tell her it is OK if she wants to go with the guy. Both times, the girl has.

Told me, she does not like the man.

I think it looks bad to talk to a girl who is talking to another guy.

Personally, I think it is pretty rude.

But I really don't care. Everyone has a right to do what.

They want.

[Bunky]

Your story has become tiresome.

[Run Mann]

I don't know about the "rigid rule" part..

Scroll back the last two pages to get your answer about how completely inappropriate it is and the consequences one could face for saying hello. No one needs to have a compelling reason or convince you or anyone here why they are doing anything, especially engaging in a courteous and harmless act like saying Hello or acknowledging someone who said it to you first, which in my view needs no explanation. You appear to be a strong advocate defender for/of WGs. I just think your view is skewed on this issue and you're way over protective of them on it thus I am where I am on and you are where you are on it

[EihTooms]

You are the one reframing here because I never said there was a NEED to say Hello, I said that it was not inappropriate to say it or answer the WG if she said Hello, to you first. I never said it had to be done but I object to the rigidity or rule below that says it must not be done or that it is inappropriate.

I don't know about the "rigid rule" part. That sounds like one of those classic straw man arguments you mentioned. Nobody is saying you should be banished from Thailand forever for interjecting an unsolicited "hello" between a working girl and the man next to her. But unless there is some genuinely compelling reason to do it other than making sure the guy she is with knows you fucked her before, I haven't read it yet.

Note that we are talking about when you say "hello" first and she hasn't said it to you first. You have no idea how benign or not your doing it is. You might stroll through life thinking you are a special exception in saying "hello" to this lady or that lady on a given day or night when in fact you might be the 10th one to do so while she has been sitting next to a man buying her Ladydrinks and deciding whether or not he will barfine her. Or, as mentioned, the live-in boyfriend and/or significant sponsor sitting next to her.

Your "hello" might not even be the straw (speaking of which) that breaks the camel's back when you toss in yours. After all, most other guys she has been with who spied her with someone else would probably know enough to keep their mouths shut and it would not even cross their mind to express their humanity that particular way. But you and a handful of others can still be major contributors even if your "hello" is not the one that finally goes too far.

[Run Mann]

Instead of reframing my posts as some sort of hysterical overreach, why not explain to us why you "need" to say anything at all to a working girl who is with another customer?

You are the one reframing here because I never said there was a NEED to say hello, I said that it was not inappropriate to say it or answer the WG if she said hello to you first. I never said it had to be done but I object to the rigidity or rule below that says it must not be done or that it is inappropriate.

Since you proudly assure us you will most certainly continue to make sure her current customer knows you fucked her before he did

Not my intent to convey any message to him but she is a WG, do you seriously think John does not know that she has been banged before?

he must at this very moment express his humanity by saying "hello" to her in front of her current customer (or, as Jimmy Boy pointed out, perhaps her actual boyfriend or significant sponsor)?

Reflect on this for a moment, especially the boyfriend or sponsor part, I hope on reflection your take away may change.

[Run Mann]

RunMann wants to impose his concept of politeness whether or not it is appropriate, and whether or not is it wanted by the girl

Quite the contrary, I am not telling anyone what to do. I am making the point that it is not inappropriate to do, you do as you wish.

[EihTooms]

You have no way of knowing if a harmless greeting will lead down the path of despair you've laid out.

And neither do you. So how about when in doubt, don't?

Instead of reframing my posts as some sort of hysterical overreach, why not explain to us why you need to say anything at all to a working girl who is with another customer? I've asked a few times and so far I haven't seen anything other than your allegiance to behaving like a human being. Ok. So what happens if every customer that lady has ever been with or even been bought a Ladydrink by between her bar, through the plaza and down Sukhumvit to his hotel decides, like you, he must at this very moment express his humanity by saying "hello" to her in front of her current customer (or, as Jimmy Boy pointed out, perhaps her actual boyfriend or significant sponsor)?

Since you proudly assure us you will most certainly continue to make sure her current customer knows you fucked her before he did, how far back in line do you think you'll have to stand while all the other guys she's been with takes his turn saying "hello" to her before they get to his actual hotel room door much less the hotel lobby?

And at which point, how many previous customers saying "hello" to her and her responding enthusiastically about each one (as is most likely hoped for by the "hello" guys) on the way to her hotel do you think it will take before the new guy or the old sponsor realizes this is just too distracting and cancels?

[Jimmy Boy 99]

RunMann wants to impose his concept of politeness whether or not it is appropriate, and whether or not is it wanted by the girl. He seems to think that because he paid to fuck a girl, she considers him a friend and wants to acknowledge they have / had a relationship. This is highly unlikely, as she has nothing to gain by this, since he was just another customer, and, outside of the specific environment where they met, it would be prejudicial to her reputation for him, as a non-Thai, to show that he knew her, and that she knew him, since that would lead anyone nearby to believe that she was a hooker. Second, as Eih Tooms stated, by saying Hello to the girl when she is with another guy, you are announcing that you have fucked her before. What if she is with her boyfriend / sponsor? Is she going to want him to know that you fucked her? Is he going to take kindly to your fucking his girl behind his back? Even if the guy is just a new customer, and knows that she has fucked other guys before, seeing one of the guys she has fucked before might be off putting to him and affect how much money she makes.

In short, you follow the girl's lead: she ignores you, you ignore her; she nods at you, you nod at her; she smiles at you, you smile back; she says Hello, you say Hello; she wants to chat, you chat.

[Run Mann]

Here is how I got to that; when an uninvited interloper interjects an unsolicited "hello," into the face of a working girl who is by all evidence working her way toward being fucked by another customer for real money, everyone in this trio and anyone witness to it knows exactly what your message is; "I fucked this one before he did. Hey, it's all good, dude. Hope you enjoy my sloppy seconds."

Now, why would you feel uncontrollably compelled to even risk sending that message to anyone in the P4P game?

And there is much more to it than that. For example, you have no idea how your old flame is going to react to your simple, "hello", right? Or what her potential customer's reaction might be. What if she reacts so positively and happily to your winning smile, irresistible charm and dashing good looks at the instant of that "hello" it is clear that was exactly the opening she was hoping for because she would rather be with you than this new guy right now? Dumb, right? Yeah, sometimes P4P girls and bargirls do dumb things. Even stone cold sober ones. And the customer she is with might decide right there on the spot he will not be buying her another Ladydrink or barfining her. Ever. Or cancel if they are already on their way to his room.

Do you know what your unsolicited "hello" just accomplished then? You just took income away from her as efficiently as if you had opened her purse, removed 2000-3000 baht, tore up those bills into 4 pieces and flushed them down the toilet.

Or are you prepared to replace any missed income for every P4P girl you absolutely can't help yourself from saying "hello" to whenever you see her working a customer or a customer working her?

Wow, now someone who says hello is a interloper? Your paranoia is unpalatable and again introducing facts not in evidence with the smile, irresistible charm, "old flame" and taking income away bit which translates into such doom and gloom. Hard to have a discussion with someone who changes and introduces facts not in the equation.

You have no way of knowing if a harmless greeting will lead down the path of despair you've laid out. You're making a conclusion based on assumptions and the difference between an unsolicited and solicited hello is quite perplexing too. I will disappoint you and tell you that nothing you've written has moved me and I stand my assertion that a simple hello under the initial circumstances laid out below is appropriate. So I will use it or acknowledge the WG if she uses it towards me first regardless of who she is with because I have no ulterior motive when I say hello and that is a fact.

[TimTimGuy]

Hi Breadman. I can see that your post is going to generate some discussion, which is fine. (did I call it right? LOL)
But what prompted you to post this comment? Is there a story here somewhere? TTG.

Hi Breadman. I remain curious about why you posted this comment. Did you encounter a WG from the night / week / month / year before at a bar? An elevator stop?

Dive in here!

[EihTooms]

You've taken the discussion to an extreme level and introduced the classic straw man argument. No one said that they should be able to stop and converse with the WG when she is with another customer. The debate was about whether it is appropriate to acknowledge her with "hello." How you leap to cock blocking, wonderful chemistry, banging her in the ass and rim job from saying hello is called reaching.

Here is how I got to that; when an uninvited interloper interjects an unsolicited "hello," into the face of a working girl who is by all evidence working her way toward being fucked by another customer for real money, everyone in this trio and anyone witness to it knows exactly what your message is; "I fucked this one before he did. Hey, it's all good, dude. Hope you enjoy my sloppy seconds."

Now, why would you feel uncontrollably compelled to even risk sending that message to anyone in the P4P game?

And there is much more to it than that. For example, you have no idea how your old flame is going to react to your simple, "hello", right? Or what her potential customer's reaction might be. What if she reacts so positively and happily to your winning smile, irresistible charm and dashing good looks at the instant of that "hello" it is clear that was exactly the opening she was hoping for because she would rather be with you than this new guy right now? Dumb, right? Yeah, sometimes P4P girls and bargirls do dumb things. Even stone cold sober ones. And the customer she is with might decide right there on the spot he will not be buying her another Ladydrink or barfining her. Ever. Or cancel if they are already on their way to his room.

Do you know what your unsolicited "hello" just accomplished then? You just took income away from her as efficiently as if you had opened her purse, removed 2000-3000 baht, tore up those bills into 4 pieces and flushed them down the toilet.

Or are you prepared to replace any missed income for every P4P girl you absolutely can't help yourself from saying "hello" to whenever you see her working a customer or a customer working her?

[Gladiator69]

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Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3 will give you the Sidegra at the MSRP price. Charoen is convenient because it is close to Nana Plaza.

Thanks, bros!