Pattaya Reports

[RakSopheni]

This is why a simple upfront negotiation and agreement for BBFS is by far the better way for me to go. If she says Yes, great. We will have memorable and wonderful sex together (well, I will), the chances of her not playing any games about doing what I need to get me off is very high and she will make some money.

If the negotiated price is 1500 or greater I will secure explicit BBFS agreement or willingness to do "anything". If it's 1000 I will go with the flow. I've never had a girl deny me a BBBJ with COF or CIM so its usually not a total loss. I mean try getting a hot and slender 19 year old girl in USA to blow you and let you cum in her mouth for $28 US.

[RakSopheni]

Just an Opinion.

No need to get Panties all tied up in knots.

I prefer Bangkok over Pattaya 55-1. Meaning for every 55 trips to Bangkok one to Pattaya is appropriate.

I generally respect your opinions Mr Chinn so please articulate further.

My take has always been that Bangkok is more expensive, much harder to secure BBFS, and there are less mongering options and variety of girls. Also it's more congested and harder to relax.

On the upside there are more high end girls that are legitimately hot, but they will cost you.

I usually skip Bangkok. Should I re-consider and why?

[Chimpo Chinn]

Was this for everyone who isn't a regular or targeted at the usual guys who get asked an entry fees?

The Usuals. The only group who Tourist Authority targeted who actually showed up in Droves.

[Banana Boi]

I saw money being Exchanged. Shakedown. You want go in 100 baht surcharge Sir.

Was this for everyone who isn't a regular or targeted at the usual guys who get asked an entry fees?

[EihTooms]

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But what most frequently happens is the girl asks you "do you have a condom?" in an assertive tone. I have said "no" 2 or 3 times, and then it's straight to BB.
I think the question usually means: "I really prefer we use a condom, but if you don't want to, that's fine".

Absolutely true in my experience as well with some of the girls I have chosen to take the "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach with and have not negotiated bareback sex upfront.

But only in Bangkok. And even there the "go with the flow" approach goes that easily and smoothly for me only about 15-20% of the time. It has never gone that smoothly and easily with the several girls I've taken and chosen that approach with in Pattaya over the past 10 years though. If it happened that easily and smoothly for me in Bangkok and Pattaya every time or even most of the time I choose the "go with the flow" approach in Bangkok and Pattaya, I'd probably never bother to negotiate bareback sex upfront again.

However, as you further report:

They seem to have a lot of stories to support their preference of condoms, stories they tell me even after I choose the condom (mainly about the fear of getting pregnant and about pills not working properly; not about STDs). CIP was never discussed as a separate subject.

Yes. Ah, now we're in the realm of just some of what happens far more often when I choose the "go with the flow" approach and don't negotiate bareback sex upfront, especially in Pattaya.

Typically, those stories are just the beginning. Then follows the Safety First lecture. Then the horror stories about what happened to this or that friend of a friend's cousin who didn't use a condom every time. Then possibly a new price negotiation. And that is not counting the many times the girl didn't just try to talk talk talk talk and talk me out of ever considering going bareback with anyone else for the rest of my life but also put her hand over her pussy and rolled off the bed at the point of near penetration. No joke. That has happened many, many times.

All of which is enough of a deal and buzz killer for me that my mind, interest in fucking the girl and erection left the room sometime during the first minute of her first anti bareback sex anecdote.

Also in my experience, once the girl's resistance to bareback sex with me goes beyond that first smooth and easy condom or no condom option exchange I quoted from your report above, it is almost certain she will only grudgingly go along with it at best anyway. And an open hole is not even close to all it takes for me to enjoy and finish an act of coitus.

In my case I need the girl to reach around and engage in a bit of gentle ball tickling if I'm going finish in regular sex. A minor request, imo. But when one of those girls who grudgingly goes along with bareback sex with me after the horror stories and Safety First lecture figures out that is the additional thing I need to get me off, she will stop doing that additional thing to make sure I don't finish. Almost guaranteed.

The game set match then is she has sure enough agreed to bareback sex with me so I have no standing to pay less than any reneogitated amount for the pleasure but she also managed to make sure I didn't finish anyway. LOL.

This is why a simple upfront negotiation and agreement for BBFS is by far the better way for me to go. If she says Yes, great. We will have memorable and wonderful sex together (well, I will), the chances of her not playing any games about doing what I need to get me off is very high and she will make some money.

If she says No, that's fine too. She very very likely saved me from enduring my 5,000th Safety First lecture and there is always another girl in the queue who will have Real Sex with me without a hassle and earn a generous fee for it.

[Explorer8939]

I use messaging to work the logistics with ladies, what day they are coming, what time, what we are going to do, etc. I don't spend much time chatting about other things.

Sometimes a lady will ping me to say "good morning ". But if I respond, she will continue to chat. After about 5 minutes, she will mention that she has no money. Maybe because she just sent her last baht to her family, or it rained last night, so no customers.

If they try that, I don't respond. I don't say no, I just stop responding.

Rule #1 in Pattaya: Ladies give their boyfriend money, and take from customers.

[Chimpo Chinn]

I have been in Pattaya for about 3 months. I started using THAIFRIENDLY and I wanted to share my results / experience.

Communication: most of the women who initially showed interest in me did not respond to my follow up message. Most women: did not read my profile, asked redundant questions that my profile clearly answers, are managing multiple men at one time, use google translate (I often wondered why they took so long to respond). Profile Terms: Customer service, Looking for customers, Freelance, Open Mind, Looking for everything, Massage, Looking for work, Looking for friends, Friendly, ST and LT are.

Clear indicators to initiate a message for a possible meet. Most profiles did not indicate intent on the dating site or very little to no info about what they are looking for. As a result, I created an introduction with my intentions. Example #1, "Hello, I'm Ron Jeremy. I'm in pattaya to meet new friends. I read your profile but what are you looking for here? BF? Sponsor? Friends and customers? Most of the time I would get a response. I put my LINE ID in my profile since I was a standard member but I never received messages from women.

THAIFRIENDLY Age Range: Initially, I set from the range from 22 to 50.

Most of my successes came from older women ranging from 30 to 43 and no success with younger women in the range of 22 to 28 with the exception of a few scammers / cam show girls. Its my opinion that most women 40+ are looking for a BF and or a serious relationship as they smash into the wall.

With kids in tow, still working at bar / massage, don't want kids but are looking for love, marriage, a serious relationship and financial support from a nice guy.

THAIFRIENDLY Massage: Most advertise their massage skills, and location for you to visit.

Most will not visit you unless they are independent and travel to you (500 baht / HR). Those that work for a shop mentioned customers must visit their shop first before any outside repeat visits. As a result of visiting various spots, I've been able to explore new areas in and around pattaya.

Tried and true Massages: include Head and Shoulders (300 baht). Oil (300 baht), Foot scrub (200) and Foot (300 baht). In terms of pricing, Soi Pattaya Klang has some of the cheapest pricing and a few spots along Soi Buakhao. I have been quoted 1500 baht for FS in at least two spots one on Soi 13/1 and one on Soi Pattaya Klang.

THAIFRIENDLY Bar Girls: These women sometime advertise their bar work, fotos of the bar, and location for you to come visit with them. Expect to meet, chat, buy ladydrinks. I visited one in treetown (Foxy / Fox Bar) played pool, and had a drink. (38 yrs old and she stated 3000 baht for LT).

As of 8/26/22 she still can be seen on ThaiFriendly.

THAIFRIENDLY Freelancers: These women sometime advertise in their profile as Customer service, Looking for customers, Freelance, Open Mind, and Looking for everything. I've been ably to find a small group of reliable decent english speaking women with their own place and no roommates.

Most women only want ST customers up until about 9 pm.

Thaifriendly Fotos.

The following public images are meant to: 1. Illustrate profile language, 2. Illustrate what women look like, 3. Illustrate prices quoted by the women, 4. Illustrate dialogue and 5. To make things a bit easier for new Thaifriendly members.

Thaifriendly Date Options.

My ThaiFriendly Short Time Numbers (1-SHOT ON GOAL): Mostly:1000 baht A few:1200 baht Never:1300+baht.

My ThaiFriendly Long Time Numbers (MULTI SHOTS ON GOAL): Mostly:1500 baht-1700 baht A few:2000 baht Never:2000+.

Pool Date Locations: Yes: SOI 7/8: Pool (free).

Club Date locations: Yes: Lucifer / Republic /808 (Walk Street).

Thai BBQ Date: No.

Massage Date: No.

Bowling Date: No (Central Festival Mall) (180 baht / pp).

Date transport: Bolt Taxi.

As I reflect on my behavior.

I set a 2000 baht maximun for LT and a 1200 baht maximum for ST. I learned that agogos, BJ bars and gentleman clubs.

Use age, skin color, number of kids, body size and beauty to distinguish women into categories. 1. Models. 2. Coyotes.

And 3. Regular chicks. Models are considered to be young, skinny / thin, mostly white skin, have no kids.

Have tight bodies and are pretty. They can be seen in varibale shapes sizes and colors in and around Pattaya agogos.

So, a woman who is 30+ with kids, has a decent body and average looks has an initial value of 2000 baht.

As a guide, the standard ST price structure for BJ bars and most gentlemans clubs is 300-500 baht for the bar fine.

Which can include (curtain rooms)(short time room) (take out to hotel) and 1000 baht ST service with the girl.

Most of the gentleman clubs employ a range of older regular women and regular looking chicks but.

There are a few exceptions like (High Rollers Gentlemans Club) where youll find a mix of good quality.

You online guys Crack me up. It's Thailand go find a girl on the Streets,. Meaning Live.

How do you judge Chemistry online?

I see some very Pretty girls in Agogos of Pattaya. The ones who don't look back or smile you just know won't be Fun at all.

The ones that acknowledge you are interested could be fun or not. Who knows.

[Chimpo Chinn]

Just an Opinion.

No need to get Panties all tied up in knots.

I prefer Bangkok over Pattaya 55-1. Meaning for every 55 trips to Bangkok one to Pattaya is appropriate.

Just read an article about spending habits of current Visitors. Per person it's down. A genius could have come to that conclusion when you see the Kind of tourist walking all over Pattaya.

[DrDewman]

The following images are a continuation from the first THAIFRIENDLY RESULTS report.

[DrDewman]

I have been in Pattaya for about 3 months. I started using THAIFRIENDLY and I wanted to share my results / experience.

Communication: most of the women who initially showed interest in me did not respond to my follow up message. Most women: did not read my profile, asked redundant questions that my profile clearly answers, are managing multiple men at one time, use google translate (I often wondered why they took so long to respond). Profile Terms: Customer service, Looking for customers, Freelance, Open Mind, Looking for everything, Massage, Looking for work, Looking for friends, Friendly, ST and LT are.

Clear indicators to initiate a message for a possible meet. Most profiles did not indicate intent on the dating site or very little to no info about what they are looking for. As a result, I created an introduction with my intentions. Example #1, "Hello, I'm Ron Jeremy. I'm in pattaya to meet new friends. I read your profile but what are you looking for here? BF? Sponsor? Friends and customers? Most of the time I would get a response. I put my LINE ID in my profile since I was a standard member but I never received messages from women.

THAIFRIENDLY Age Range: Initially, I set from the range from 22 to 50.

Most of my successes came from older women ranging from 30 to 43 and no success with younger women in the range of 22 to 28 with the exception of a few scammers / cam show girls. Its my opinion that most women 40+ are looking for a BF and or a serious relationship as they smash into the wall.

With kids in tow, still working at bar / massage, don't want kids but are looking for love, marriage, a serious relationship and financial support from a nice guy.

THAIFRIENDLY Massage: Most advertise their massage skills, and location for you to visit.

Most will not visit you unless they are independent and travel to you (500 baht / HR). Those that work for a shop mentioned customers must visit their shop first before any outside repeat visits. As a result of visiting various spots, I've been able to explore new areas in and around pattaya.

Tried and true Massages: include Head and Shoulders (300 baht). Oil (300 baht), Foot scrub (200) and Foot (300 baht). In terms of pricing, Soi Pattaya Klang has some of the cheapest pricing and a few spots along Soi Buakhao. I have been quoted 1500 baht for FS in at least two spots one on Soi 13/1 and one on Soi Pattaya Klang.

THAIFRIENDLY Bar Girls: These women sometime advertise their bar work, fotos of the bar, and location for you to come visit with them. Expect to meet, chat, buy ladydrinks. I visited one in treetown (Foxy / Fox Bar) played pool, and had a drink. (38 yrs old and she stated 3000 baht for LT).

As of 8/26/22 she still can be seen on ThaiFriendly.

THAIFRIENDLY Freelancers: These women sometime advertise in their profile as Customer service, Looking for customers, Freelance, Open Mind, and Looking for everything. I've been ably to find a small group of reliable decent english speaking women with their own place and no roommates.

Most women only want ST customers up until about 9 pm.

Thaifriendly Fotos.

The following public images are meant to: 1. Illustrate profile language, 2. Illustrate what women look like, 3. Illustrate prices quoted by the women, 4. Illustrate dialogue and 5. To make things a bit easier for new Thaifriendly members.

Thaifriendly Date Options.

My ThaiFriendly Short Time Numbers (1-SHOT ON GOAL): Mostly:1000 baht A few:1200 baht Never:1300+baht.

My ThaiFriendly Long Time Numbers (MULTI SHOTS ON GOAL): Mostly:1500 baht-1700 baht A few:2000 baht Never:2000+.

Pool Date Locations: Yes: SOI 7/8: Pool (free).

Club Date locations: Yes: Lucifer / Republic /808 (Walk Street).

Thai BBQ Date: No.

Massage Date: No.

Bowling Date: No (Central Festival Mall) (180 baht / pp).

Date transport: Bolt Taxi.

As I reflect on my behavior.

I set a 2000 baht maximun for LT and a 1200 baht maximum for ST. I learned that agogos, BJ bars and gentleman clubs.

Use age, skin color, number of kids, body size and beauty to distinguish women into categories. 1. Models. 2. Coyotes.

And 3. Regular chicks. Models are considered to be young, skinny / thin, mostly white skin, have no kids.

Have tight bodies and are pretty. They can be seen in varibale shapes sizes and colors in and around Pattaya agogos.

So, a woman who is 30+ with kids, has a decent body and average looks has an initial value of 2000 baht.

As a guide, the standard ST price structure for BJ bars and most gentlemans clubs is 300-500 baht for the bar fine.

Which can include (curtain rooms)(short time room) (take out to hotel) and 1000 baht ST service with the girl.

Most of the gentleman clubs employ a range of older regular women and regular looking chicks but.

There are a few exceptions like (High Rollers Gentlemans Club) where youll find a mix of good quality.

[Explorer8939]

How many guys that come to Pattaya speak Thai? Maybe 1 percent, if that. And yeah most guys don't genuinely care, guys are here for one thing (ass) and the girls are here for one thing (money). It's no different than the girls not giving a care about your story and where you're from and the problems you have back home. At the end of the day, men have no reason to lie about anything here whilst the girls do. But if you're naive to think that these girls opening up to you are telling you the truth, then that's on you. Check out the everythingPattaya Youtube channel, the guy tells some extraordinary stories about the extent to which women lie in Pattaya. It'll put any Pattaya monger straight and focused on what they're here for and to not fall into any girl's traps.

The chief complaint from the ladies about the customers is the lies customers spew about sponsoring them. A guy will profess his eternal love, tell the lady he will give her $xxx to go home to her village, and then, three months later, the money stops, and she is stuck in the village.

Another lie is the marital status of the customer, when they start talking about marriage with a lady, but they have a Farang wife.

[Cool]

None. Waste of money, little value in going to a soapie.

The sex is very mechanical and half the lineup is over 30. If you choose wisely you could get a better lay on the coconut bar which is also low on my list.

[Mystic23]

This right here is exactly the case! But others swear there is no BB or that it is hard to get. I have never tried to negotiate it beforehand and I think this is why the people that say it is not done are saying it. Maybe they are misspeaking and mean they have not been able to do it with negotiation. But how you and others have explained it is exactly how it happens and almost 100% of the time. If you are together in the room and say you do not have condom they are going to fuck anyway.

Yes, I don't get why others had mentioned no bb can be had or needed to negotiate beforehand. Every girl I had just hopped right on. Not a single one asked. Perhaps it's where they pick up the girls? Or perhaps age & quality (cost) of girls?

[LocalExplorer]

This right here is exactly the case! But others swear there is no BB or that it is hard to get. I have never tried to negotiate it beforehand and I think this is why the people that say it is not done are saying it. Maybe they are misspeaking and mean they have not been able to do it with negotiation. But how you and others have explained it is exactly how it happens and almost 100% of the time. If you are together in the room and say you do not have condom they are going to fuck anyway.

Well, the girls ask "do you have a condom?" in exactly the same way a Western woman would ("freebie") in a casual encounter. However, in the latter case what it really would mean is "you better have a condom, or you can forget about sex, and if you insist, you'll never get a second chance and I'll probably throw a tantrum".

I'm under the impression the Thai girls are recreating this cultural template to get a knee-jerk reaction. Being assertive and looking you straight in the eye is not a very Thai thing.

[Dupont88]

Nice! If you like 2 balls and a carrot sticking out as some horror optic.

I write about the opposite.

For the problem of carrot enough taking a operated one.

I tried but better a women.

Lb have two major problems.

A high rate of diseases.

Tends to be aggressive on you.