Moscow

[Henri Dufresne]

I disagree with what was said about the webcam industry. I think it does not steal escorts. The webcam industry exists since a while. I think it is a good thing for English speakers because the vast majority of Russian pros who don't travel don't speak English. When they work as a webcam girl they learn English. Also, the webcam industry does not pay so well because the website and the studio take a commission. A Russian cam girl told me that it is illegal in Russia to work as an independent webcam girl.

They explained to me that when they work as a cam girl, the girls have to stay 4 hours to 8 hours in front of their webcam. Sometimes, they have to wait 45 minutes to one hour before getting a client in their chat room.

Conversely, when they work as an escort, they don't have to wait anything. The job as escort is much pleasant. It is much better to be paid $100 for 1 hour work rather than waiting in front of their webcam to get paid.

I think that the problem right now is more related to the covid19 than anything else. This forced the escorts to prefer working as a webcam girl rather than an escort.

[DramaFree11]

Quick correct, you are. But for girls benefit of cam is, if you're working for some popular site, they pay you quite a generous amount for just talking to very desperate dudes, so they ended up buying premium account for that site. Many guys from different countries I know, are buying premium services for cam sites and when I ask why when there's porn and free cam sites available, their answer is "These premium sites have hot chicks who are very friendly and do lots of thing". Most of these girls are from Russia and eastern Europe. Easy money for them.

Correct, about the dating Scams. I have talked about this a lot on the Kiev Thread and it is a big problem. Yes, there girls can make a nice living, prior to the crisis. I had a friend and ex-girlfriend that managed these sites. They use to be good several years ago, now very bad. Agree, you can spend a lot of money on these sites, but it is pennies compared to when you get into live porn sites. Maybe, they will lower there prices, but old prices, you could have live girls in many destinations. I am not an expert on P. Sites, so I have no idea how much the cost now.

Time will tell what happens, but everyone will either take a cut in pay or even worse lose there job. Russian and Eastern Europe, will be great, once this passes. I am not sure if prices will go down for sex, probably a little, but travel Expenses will go way down.

Kiev will suck as normal, but it might be decent for a few months, while girls hunker down and return from Europe or other destinations that they can get paid way more for there services. As soon as they can save some money, and travel restriction are lifted they will be gone and that will be the end of Ukraine.

[Gargano19]

It will not be issue. Most guys will not have the money for doing Web Cam. The guys that still have money are going to be in demand and will have leverage. Also travel cost will go down, and fees for girls will also go down. It will be a buyers market.

Quick correct, you are. But for girls benefit of cam is, if you're working for some popular site, they pay you quite a generous amount for just talking to very desperate dudes, so they ended up buying premium account for that site. Many guys from different countries I know, are buying premium services for cam sites and when I ask why when there's porn and free cam sites available, their answer is "These premium sites have hot chicks who are very friendly and do lots of thing". Most of these girls are from Russia and eastern Europe. Easy money for them.

[DramaFree11]

I've known girls who started web camming too. Until videos of them started showing up on porn hub. They didn't realize that their cam feed could be captured and saved, LOL. That got them back between the sheets real quick.

It will not be issue. Most guys will not have the money for doing Web Cam. The guys that still have money are going to be in demand and will have leverage. Also travel cost will go down, and fees for girls will also go down. It will be a buyers market.

[BodyAnybody]

I have known several girls that have tried moving to webcam sites. It is extraordinarily competitive. Maybe in the current situation it might work, but all the girls I knew made it back to in-person fairly quickly. Of course, this was 8-10 years ago and times have definitely changed.

I've known girls who started web camming too. Until videos of them started showing up on porn hub. They didn't realize that their cam feed could be captured and saved, LOL. That got them back between the sheets real quick.

[YummyPL]

My friend who is in Moscow, told me already many girls have started doing webcams (apparently there has been a surge in webcam sites) and might not return if they start to earn the same amount.

I have known several girls that have tried moving to webcam sites. It is extraordinarily competitive. Maybe in the current situation it might work, but all the girls I knew made it back to in-person fairly quickly. Of course, this was 8-10 years ago and times have definitely changed.

[SanGaetano]

Oh, well, seems to be plausible. I mean what else should they do isolated in their room / flat? I know a former escort girl who "changed" profession and now teaches English online, and sometimes yoga. She used to be a Instagram freak (well, she called herself a Instagram "Model", like many if not most of the pretty young ladies in town).

I am not really into webcam / virtual sex, I like the real deal, this is just my taste. Like they say here, "Tolko Real".

[Gargano19]

It's difficult to say how the Mongerism will be in a post covid era.

Well, like George said, even before the pandemic, we already saw some signs of stagnation in the sector. For example "Ego Gold" closed by the end of last year. I heard that even some old school swing clubs might be giving up if the lockdown continues. Some other sectors will count with a financial help from the Federal Budget ("official" restaurants, Malls, etc.) if they are lucky, but I don't think that "Adult Venues" will have a penny from the state.

I wrote last week that if the situation deteriorates, the mayor could increase the measures for isolation. And, yes, the situation didn't get better. So starting from tomorrow one must have a pass / permit / QR code that allows him to drive in Moscow, if he wants to drive a car, and I heard that taxi drivers will not be allowed to take a passenger who does not have the pass. The basic Straf is by now 4000 Rub for first offenders. Repeaters could land in jail.

My friend who is in Moscow, told me already many girls have started doing webcams (apparently there has been a surge in webcam sites) and might not return if they start to earn the same amount.

[SanGaetano]

It's difficult to say how the Mongerism will be in a post covid era.

Well, like George said, even before the pandemic, we already saw some signs of stagnation in the sector. For example "Ego Gold" closed by the end of last year. I heard that even some old school swing clubs might be giving up if the lockdown continues. Some other sectors will count with a financial help from the Federal Budget ("official" restaurants, Malls, etc.) if they are lucky, but I don't think that "Adult Venues" will have a penny from the state.

I wrote last week that if the situation deteriorates, the mayor could increase the measures for isolation. And, yes, the situation didn't get better. So starting from tomorrow one must have a pass / permit / QR code that allows him to drive in Moscow, if he wants to drive a car, and I heard that taxi drivers will not be allowed to take a passenger who does not have the pass. The basic Straf is by now 4000 Rub for first offenders. Repeaters could land in jail.

I have a friend who lives in Dubai, he text me "The 2 WGs I ordered for April are not allowed to fly" I said "Yes, habibi, and there is no sign of reopening the airports soon", he said "You lucky MoFo, isolated and locked in a city full of hot babes". I said "Nah, it's samoisolatsya here, habibi, they can't meet anybody, much less meet for sex".

Stay healthy guys!

[George 6969]

Dispute the fact, that Nightflight had only less and less customers over the past years (with the exception of Fifa WC) the official closing is a tragedy.

I don t know, if the closing had been caused by the virus or missing guests. I understand from the wording of the FB announcement, it is not temporary it is final.

It had been a landmark of entertainment for ex pats and foreigners in Moscow for decades. I still remember my first visit in the late 90 ties.

Where every evening was a party and just spectacular. Many, many more evenings to follow, saw ladies come and go and come again. Had the best encounters in my life there.

So much parties and so many new and old friends. It had been a part of my life and a visit to Moscow without at least one visit there, impossible for me.

I had hoped to attend the last party on the 31st, but it had been closed one week before and of course I could not fly due to the virus.

Someone has an idea where DJ Martin will work in the future?

All the best to all my friends there and I hope to see you again in the future.

Maybe the people in Moscow can update us, where the caravan will go next and where to find the majority of the people in the future when the curfew will end.

Until then stay safe and healthy.

[DramaFree11]

You may be confused between higher standards and different standards. You write that you like "curvy" girls. While I appreciate some curves, "curvy" would never be a word I use to describe my preferences. While I have no evidence with pictures, I suspect that I may consider the girls you like as being a little fat which, for me, is worse than being ugly (I like my bodies petite and tight. I like spinners). So clearly your standards are different, as I am sure everyone else's in this forum are. Describing "higher" standards in this very subjective world doesn't make sense.

Well said, I love tight and fit bodies as well, this why I love Moscow, there everywhere.

[YummyPL]

We are quite similar. I'm in my early 20's and am not too ugly. But since you wrote that most girls at Penthouse were at least cute or attractive, I think I probably have higher standards than yours.

You may be confused between higher standards and different standards. You write that you like "curvy" girls. While I appreciate some curves, "curvy" would never be a word I use to describe my preferences. While I have no evidence with pictures, I suspect that I may consider the girls you like as being a little fat which, for me, is worse than being ugly (I like my bodies petite and tight. I like spinners). So clearly your standards are different, as I am sure everyone else's in this forum are. Describing "higher" standards in this very subjective world doesn't make sense.

[SanGaetano]

In order to reach websites such as intimacy and Rusodog you must have access to a VPN server. I heard that using VPN server outside Russia as a private person is strictly prohibited, and that you can be fined up to 5000 by using such a service.

What's the matter here? Anyone who have deeper knowledge about VPN use in Russia?

Well, technically it's possible for them to find out if somebody is using vpn. But why should the Russian police do it on a foreigner? Except of course if he is a suspect (of crime, espionage, etc.).

The problem is IMO not the 5000 rub, the problem is the "administrative offense" generated by this crime. If you are here just a tourist or temporally business traveller here, it's not a big deal for you. But if you live here (like me and other few in this forum) on a Patent, RVP or VNZh well this could be the beginning of the end of your stay in Russia. Because according to the law, after 2 "administrative offenses" the MVD has the right to kick you out of the country or, if you are already out of the country, they can ban you of reentering the RF. Administrative offenses include exceeding the speed limit, being late on registrations / notifications, among others.

But again, if you are a nobody like me, I guess they don't really care what you do online in your private time at home. I think, no I HOPE they have better things to do.

[Questner]

In order to reach websites such as intimacy and Rusodog you must have access to a VPN server. I heard that using VPN server outside Russia as a private person is strictly prohibited, and that you can be fined up to 5000 by using such a service.

What's the matter here? Anyone who have deeper knowledge about VPN use in Russia?

Check here if your site has to be blocked, for example: https://reestr.rublacklist.net/search/?q=rusdosug.

Look for VPN that works or a server / provider for browsers like Tor to work. Forget about fines. The severity of laws in that country has always been mitigated by people not following the laws. You can also use proxies and have copies of the whole sites downloaded in advance of your travel. Most of the folks on the ground will take it as a personal challenge to help you to get access to restricted content.

[DramaFree11]

In order to reach websites such as intimacy and Rusodog you must have access to a VPN server. I heard that using VPN server outside Russia as a private person is strictly prohibited, and that you can be fined up to 5000 by using such a service.

What's the matter here? Anyone who have deeper knowledge about VPN use in Russia?

Takes time / money. Honestly go to the strip bars at night, use the agency's during the day, but you will need to be specific with your requirements. Good luck.