Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Sirioja]

Indeed, 150 is the going rate for privates across Europe. And that is without FKK entry fees. So at that price, much of the reason to visit falls away. Personally to me it was all about getting in maybe 3 in a day. But at this pricing, that strategy is pretty much redundant. Now its smarter to just visit privates. So the FKK's will lose from this. But we can't really blame them considering how they charge the girls for their entries. That's the culprit. Preferably they should automate all the staff jobs at the biggest FKK's to cut cost. Beijing Olympics style.

Still 40/30 clubs around Düsseldorf and can even find sometimes wow looks or in bed there. Many clubs officially increased to 60/30 like World, Bab, 6, Finca, when Oase desk still say rate is 50/30, so Oase and Sharks are less expensive than 4 previous when had more than 10 100/60 rooms on 2021 at Sharks with different girls. Maybe they made discount for my pretty face. I much prefer to spend 150 for a real natural beauty like elected Miss Sharks when she was fresh for sex, when no beauty on her level at Globe for double rate, rather than paying for girls I would not give a look in streets, then paying 40 or 50/30 for these average looks would be more expensive for me than 150/60 for a rare beauty. I just wish for new impressive looks like her when in brothels I need to be impressed by look to feel desire and enjoy in bed. But I find very interesting with my 40 yo woman who has pretty face, beautiful eyes and still beautiful body and I m not too big, too hard for her, relaxing for my mind, when she may help me.

[Gino02]

Hah, and there it is, Russian troops into Eastern Ukraine. Hah.

But he's not invading, it's "peacekeeping. " Haha.

Come on man, it's all good. Kamala Harris was in Europe to make diplomacy work in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. She's the best for this, don't you know? LOL.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2022/02...s-on-the-case/

[Escape Artist]

USA 2, Iraq 0.

Suck it Trebek.

[Escape Artist]

Sure sure. But direct intervention is on a totally other level.

Many pundits, even the Ukrainian Foreign Minister, have said the 100,000 Russian troops would not even be a threat for Russia to reach Kiev.

As such, my skepticism is not that western / nato powers would not take refugees, it's that there will not be actual large scale conflict to create refugees to begin with.

Hah, and there it is, Russian troops into Eastern Ukraine. Hah.

But he's not invading, it's "peacekeeping. " Haha.

[DrPoon]

The western powers already intervened when they sent, and continue to send, tons of lethal aid to Ukraine.

As far as refugees go, Poland has already stated they are willing to accommodate Ukrainians.

A question is that NATA uses the the 5.56 ammo and Ukraine is still on the AK 47 7.62 mm ammo. So are they sending M4's also?

[BigBuddy69]

Entries are not the culprit. They have not significantly changed recently. Private girls still have to pay for their hotel rooms or apartments, offsetting entry prices, not to mention the incidence of robbery and other worse crimes the girls endured when working privately. At least 3 girls last year told me that they would not go back to the privates after recounting multiple traumatic events.

I totally agree with you. And they have to manage the towels, the sheets, the food. They don't benefit from the security of the club. Some of the calls they got don't turn into an appointment. It's difficult for a girl to rent an apartment at a good price.

Again, the 150 for60 payers are contributing to the further destruction of the Hessen FKK scene.

And I'm pretty sure it will extend to other areas.

[Sirioja]

I hate Putin but have to admit he is clever when declaring Dombass independent, what they waited when they want to be Russian and not Ukrainian, so they will join Russia welcoming them. Nerves war and he is expert for this. Sad for Ukraine already so poor. Maybe they should let Dombass which mostly don't feel Ukrainian and join EU, when Putin just doesn't care about papy Biden, Macron and bald German. After Crimea, Putin wants black sea. Biden wanted to play strong to hide covid lost war for US, but he can't compete with Putin. He shouldn't forget US lost all wars since 1945 , even wars usually make US rich, when lives have not much value.

[Sirioja]

Entries are not the culprit. They have not significantly changed recently. Private girls still have to pay for their hotel rooms or apartments, offsetting entry prices, not to mention the incidence of robbery and other worse crimes the girls endured when working privately. At least 3 girls last year told me that they would not go back to the privates after recounting multiple traumatic events.

In addition to the included place of work, FKK entries for the girls provide for security, offset food and drink cost, and offsetting need for advertisement by providing effortless customer traffic.

Again, the 150 for60 payers are contributing to the further destruction of the Hessen FKK scene. They really should be visiting other types of brothels and sex houses instead of destroying a good thing for everyone else.

100/30 and 150/60 are from Germans under lockdown in apartments, and prettier girls don't want to be for less expensive than long time girls living in Germany. I prefer my elegant and most interesting for 100/60 , but I think these rates can attract some beauties, but everybody can go to less pretty for 50/30 when it is more expensive and waste of money for me. Some not pretty get these rates business and some pay 200/60 for Angela who was for 100/60 before covid. Girls will never accept lower rate now, they prefer less rooms but for these rates, or just rushing suck with condom and fuck on a bad day. Some girls don't ask same rate to all of us.

[Escape Artist]

The western powers already intervened when they sent, and continue to send, tons of lethal aid to Ukraine.

As far as refugees go, Poland has already stated they are willing to accommodate Ukrainians.

Sure sure. But direct intervention is on a totally other level.

Many pundits, even the Ukrainian Foreign Minister, have said the 100,000 Russian troops would not even be a threat for Russia to reach Kiev.

Dmytro Kuleba told reporters, The number of Russian troops massed along the border of Ukraine and occupied territories of Ukraine is large, it poses a threat to Ukraine, a direct threat to Ukraine; however, at the moment, as we speak, this number is insufficient for a full-scale offensive against Ukraine along the entire Ukrainian border.

Kulebas statement came just hours after Ukraines President, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, urged Ukrainians during a nationwide broadcast to remain calm, but have no childish illusions about the magnitude of the Russian threat. Protect your body from viruses, your brain from lies, your heart from panic, he urged.

As such, my skepticism is not that western / nato powers would not take refugees, it's that there will not be actual large scale conflict to create refugees to begin with.

[Escape Artist]

Entries are not the culprit. They have not significantly changed recently. Private girls still have to pay for their hotel rooms or apartments, offsetting entry prices, not to mention the incidence of robbery and other worse crimes the girls endured when working privately. At least 3 girls last year told me that they would not go back to the privates after recounting multiple traumatic events.

In addition to the included place of work, FKK entries for the girls provide for security, offset food and drink cost, and offsetting need for advertisement by providing effortless customer traffic.

Again, the 150 for60 payers are contributing to the further destruction of the Hessen FKK scene. They really should be visiting other types of brothels and sex houses instead of destroying a good thing for everyone else.

[Rocko20]

I should probably leave room open to the fact that Ukraine is not a NATO nation and there is no obligation for Western-North Atlantic powers to intervene.

The western powers already intervened when they sent, and continue to send, tons of lethal aid to Ukraine.

As far as refugees go, Poland has already stated they are willing to accommodate Ukrainians.

[Escape Artist]

An increase in supply sure would help. Putin might have something to say about that soon.

I should probably leave room open to the fact that Ukraine is not a NATO nation and there is no obligation for Western-North Atlantic powers to intervene. But not intervening does have an eerie resemblance to the Chamberlain position of appeasement prior to WWII. I'm leaning on the hopes that western powers are trying to avoid that position of weakness.

[Escape Artist]

Should we make a betting pool how long it will take for the current infatuation to make it to scorned obsession?

It does take a very special woman to put up with the weird mongers for more than a year at best. The naive new ones enjoy the comforting confirmation in the beginning, but to women who have built their stable of regulars eventually shed the weird ones, hence the year mark. Now there are some special, very professional girls who are able to keep the face and just take the money and run for years on end.

Short answer, 9 months to a year.

[Pistons]

Unfortunately the guys giving girls 150 e for 1 hour at Sharks is a major problem in the FKK scene.

It's up to the strong-willed mongers, who can resist, to keep prices reasonable. 150 e for 1 HR in Germany is to be kept a sucker's price. At best, that's the price for visiting privates, not FKKs.

Indeed, 150 is the going rate for privates across Europe. And that is without FKK entry fees. So at that price, much of the reason to visit falls away. Personally to me it was all about getting in maybe 3 in a day. But at this pricing, that strategy is pretty much redundant. Now its smarter to just visit privates. So the FKK's will lose from this. But we can't really blame them considering how they charge the girls for their entries. That's the culprit. Preferably they should automate all the staff jobs at the biggest FKK's to cut cost. Beijing Olympics style.

[Escape Artist]

150460 is comparable to private, that seems true. Private versus FKK. There are trade offs. With FKK you get to see the SPs IRL, compare and contrast them to the other SPs that day. You get to have some couch time to check for rapport. You can verify service levels in person prior to Zimmer. All pluses. No guarantees once you are in Zimmer of course. With private, you run the risk of photoshopping and poor service levels with little accountability. Once you land a great private, you're all set, until of course, you get bored. I think the Ro mafia is quite aware of these factors, esp after their learning curve during Covid shutdowns.

With all pros and cons mentioned being true, the price difference has always been there offsetting the extra entry cost for an FKK. For guys doing only one room, instead of 150 e, it makes it 215 e. Yes you get the benefit of seeing a girl before making the effort to drive somewhere just to be disappointed. But you get that same benefit in Red Light Districts and Eros houses or normal brothels without having to pay the substantial FKK entries. Allowing prices to rise to the same levels as privates and non-FKK brothels is destroying what makes an FKK unique, naturalist fuck fest. One roomers paying one roomer prices would do everyone a favor by keeping their pricing at the non-entry price brothels and privates.

An increase in supply sure would help. Putin might have something to say about that soon.

I think this is a pipe dream. Putin knows annexing Ukraine would be too costly for him. This is just gamesmanship aimed to be disruptive. It's no coincidence that he's doing this during a time of economic uncertainty, when covid is wrapping up in the western world, disrupting the time that would otherwise be used to establish economic stability.

Unless Russia has some secret treaty with other powers such as China, the cost of war against NATO nations seem to be of little benefit. Putin is no dummy.