Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

Well the first tip is a "learn from my mistakes" type of tip. Obviously I guard my identity jealously, as you should. But a few times, including with Layla, I've let girls stay over at the room I booked. It only now just occurred to me (duh!) that they have those "Welcome Mr. XXX" screens on your TV in the room and online checkout on the TV. What a bone head. Well the other day I checked at the hotel we stayed at and it doesn't have the welcome screen or a name on the checkout screen that I could tell in a quick review (only occurred to me as she was on her way up). Anyhow just a heads up that you run this risk if you let them stay after you leave (either after a couple hour soire as recently, or you let them sleep in as I did with Krystal in Vegas). So far no harm. But just be aware. Real bonehead mistake!

The second tip is really good. Use Hotwire for booking. As you may know, Hotwire books a hotel at a great rate but you don't know exactly which one. But in my second tier city you can absolutely tell what hotel you will get! They let you specify the part of the city you want to stay in. And they tell you the rating of the hotel on a 5 point scale. In my town these rating vary a bit. Like one is 4. 1 and one 4. 2 and one 4. 3 etc. So when they give you a $99 rate on a three star hotel with a 4. 4 rating you can scroll down and find the actual hotel that meets those parameters!

I've done the hotel via Hotwire twice now and both times got the hotel I manually figured out and saved $40 both times! Beware that the rate can change over time. Like it was $129 morning of the meet and jumped to $149 later in the day (tho the regular rate was $189 at that time). This is because it's all based off rooms vacant or filling up. Anyhow I was surprised I could intuit the exact hotel and save a nice chunk of change.

Best of luck to all my SA buddies!

[Steve 9696]

So my girl Layla who it took six months to find on SA is definitely ON and on good. One of the great things about her is she's super easy going and flexible. Like I had to cancel for one day and move to another and it was no problem. Always just "sure babe". And our second in-room date was much better than the first. Even tho she done this before you can tell she's a bit nervous with a new guy. Brought some wine and that really helped.

She's not top notch at everything she does but she's a submissive pleaser and horny as hell. As we were fucking the second time she said "I could just fuck for hours". Which is a nice thing to hear!

So definitely worth all the searching. Think I've found a long term local keeper. Fingers crossed.

[YummyPL]

PPS Remember that in Brasil being an hour late is being on time. I am NOT kidding. It is perfectly accepted that if she is an hour late to ur date time she is on time.

My first time posting on this thread.

Yes, and not just in Brasil. When my time is not constrained, I don't really care. I can have a beer at the bar. When I AM time constrained, I will actually set a meeting time 30-45 minutes before I actually want her to be there. Worse case is she waits for me.

[Midwestern]

Still, for all the guys who say, they are all working girls in it for money and the women on SA are a different versions of working girls, I would ask then why don't they always ask for money. I do not know about anyone else, but I am finding foreign women time after time willing to suck and fuck me for nothing. Maybe they are playing the long game, and it may be to my advantage to say, "Yeah, they are all working girls" but if so, they are working girls who are not charging me. LOL..

Yep, I had my share of freebies off of SA too. I think it was about 11 or 12, out of 23. I don't know how it happened. Maybe they enjoyed our date and decided to just let it see where it goes. Or maybe they were on SA just to find successful guys to date and have fun with. They were not undergrads. They were more like young professionals or graduate students or people with crappy jobs, and they were just tired of being poor and dating poor guys.

[Elvis 2008]

I have met four women who live in Mexico on three different trips to Cancun. When I had two women come at once, it was a disaster. I then ran into a beauty who was gorgeous, nice, and decent in the sack and took her to Cancun twice. The chemistry just was not there.

When I was in Mexico City with her, I knew something was different when we had sex before dinner and she came back and wanted it again.

With this trip, she was on my dick the whole time. We went at it five times the first day even in the ocean and the pool. Then a few times the next day. This morning, she woke me up by sucking my cock. God, I love the horny ones.

When I asked her if she needed money today, she responded "For what? And it appears to me that she is looking for something deeper. Still, I told her that I was seeing other women and would not commit easily to one unless I really got to know her.

She is half my age, but the way she carries herself and given how tall she is, the age thing does not look like it will be an issue. The shorter, younger ones, who look like teenagers look more age inappropriate IMO.

I have a stunning prospect in Brazil that I am thinking of seeing. Thing is she is in Brazil, and this one is so much closer.

Still, for all the guys who say, they are all working girls in it for money and the women on SA are a different versions of working girls, I would ask then why don't they always ask for money. I do not know about anyone else, but I am finding foreign women time after time willing to suck and fuck me for nothing. Maybe they are playing the long game, and it may be to my advantage to say, "Yeah, they are all working girls" but if so, they are working girls who are not charging me. LOL.

Life is good. Shit, this chica totally drained me. Man can she suck and fuck.

[Chubzy Maximus]

Anyone try SA in Dublin? Any info appreciated. Would imagine there's a ton of SB's over at Trinity? Do tell if you have any advice.

[DiverOyster]

Well it's been a long time coming. Six months of searching in my second tier city. And two catfishes. Blech! But finally found my girl. We met for an ice cream date meet and greet last week. I was totally concerned she was fake going in. Because she's beautiful but her profile was super forward. But she's real. She's done SB 4 times before. All serious and long term.

She says she wants $200 a meet (yay!) and is very interested in developing something long term. Super pretty girl with a few ignorable extra pounds (says it's Covid weight she is going to lose). All In all seemed promising.

Met tonight at the hotel skipped dinner. Wasn't the best sex of my life course that's a high bar. But very submissive and eager to please. All in all a solid find after all this time. Looking forward to a few times per month meetup.

It pays to be patient!

Way to go Steve. That's good. SA has been an erratic experience for me too. Tons of scammers on SA who want me to cashapp partial payment upfront. However, I also got some good intimate gfe sessions. More than 50% of my SA meets have been BBFS, and one with anal BBFS, just like my real life girlfriends. Now I weed out all the $500 and $800 and $1,000 and focus on the $300. I have gotten as low as $100, $200, $250, all BBFS. I live in one of the largest cities in the South.

I msg tons of hot slender girls but most don't respond. Among the ones that respond about 1/2 are scammers demanding cashapp upfront. The remaining 1/2 some chat with me and then ghost. So this process works itself out to a small number of chics who eventually meet. I also got favored and contacted by a bunch of chics who are not my physical type.

[Steve 9696]

Well it's been a long time coming. Six months of searching in my second tier city. And two catfishes. Blech! But finally found my girl. We met for an ice cream date meet and greet last week. I was totally concerned she was fake going in. Because she's beautiful but her profile was super forward. But she's real. She's done SB 4 times before. All serious and long term.

She says she wants $200 a meet (yay!) and is very interested in developing something long term. Super pretty girl with a few ignorable extra pounds (says it's Covid weight she is going to lose). All In all seemed promising.

Met tonight at the hotel skipped dinner. Wasn't the best sex of my life course that's a high bar. But very submissive and eager to please. All in all a solid find after all this time. Looking forward to a few times per month meetup.

It pays to be patient!

Let me rephrase having slept on it.

Body and sex were a double. Arrangement, attitude, and face total home run! Super happy.

[Steve 9696]

Well it's been a long time coming. Six months of searching in my second tier city. And two catfishes. Blech! But finally found my girl. We met for an ice cream date meet and greet last week. I was totally concerned she was fake going in. Because she's beautiful but her profile was super forward. But she's real. She's done SB 4 times before. All serious and long term.

She says she wants $200 a meet (yay!) and is very interested in developing something long term. Super pretty girl with a few ignorable extra pounds (says it's Covid weight she is going to lose). All In all seemed promising.

Met tonight at the hotel skipped dinner. Wasn't the best sex of my life course that's a high bar. But very submissive and eager to please. All in all a solid find after all this time. Looking forward to a few times per month meetup.

It pays to be patient!

[Steve 9696]

LOL, man, do you not know how jaded I am? When it comes to women, I now think it's all transactional. Sex after a good date is not free, as we had to spend $ on dinner and spend time on the date. Sex with wife was not free, because we later had to buy her a house. So, I do think of all sex as transactional. If that's not the case for some guys, then I can honestly say that is awesome for them, and I don't say this to be dismissive at all. I too once could really feel love (or nirvana) with women, but those days are now long gone. Maybe there were some women out there who really loved me too. But I still think they wanted something in return. Maybe it was just love, not money, but they wanted something. So, maybe when I read you post, you were talking about something that I never achieved simply because I am totally jaded now, and therefore I just didn't understand it, LOL.

BTW, it's totally cool to disagree about stuff. This is what makes a convo interesting. Otherwise, it would be boring to have a beer with you if we didn't disagree on some stuff.

Yeah I agree all sex is for money in the end. Like buying the wife a nice house. One time I was reflecting about how the sex in my marriage wounr down to a couple times a year at best. Now that's some golden pussy at $50 K a pop! LOL.

[Midwestern]

I almost always agree with you MW. But calling this a tip rubs me the wrong way. I tip a hooker for her extra service. I don't tip a girl I care about. I give her some $$ because I want to. Maybe it's splitting hairs but my original point was SB Nirvana is when it's past transactional. And a tip feels like a transaction. I guess we can both think about it as we like.

LOL, man, do you not know how jaded I am? When it comes to women, I now think it's all transactional. Sex after a good date is not free, as we had to spend $ on dinner and spend time on the date. Sex with wife was not free, because we later had to buy her a house. So, I do think of all sex as transactional. If that's not the case for some guys, then I can honestly say that is awesome for them, and I don't say this to be dismissive at all. I too once could really feel love (or nirvana) with women, but those days are now long gone. Maybe there were some women out there who really loved me too. But I still think they wanted something in return. Maybe it was just love, not money, but they wanted something. So, maybe when I read you post, you were talking about something that I never achieved simply because I am totally jaded now, and therefore I just didn't understand it, LOL.

BTW, it's totally cool to disagree about stuff. This is what makes a convo interesting. Otherwise, it would be boring to have a beer with you if we didn't disagree on some stuff.

[Steve 9696]

This isn't exactly an SB moment, but I agree with your point about paying more when they deserve it, and don't ask for it. A few months ago, I was in an MP, and on the flip, she starts giving me a BBBJ. This was my first time to this place and I was shocked. No negotiation or discussion about the tip. Then she starts switching back and forth between DFKing and BBBJing me. At the end, I tipped more than usual. You guys might think that I stumbled upon a BBBJ shop (or in China, we call this a KB shop), and I too wondered about this, but this was not the case. This gal just decided to give me a good experience. And she was rewarded for it.

Another example is a mistress that I had. She was very poor, but she has never asked for a penny. But from our encounters, she seemed to really enjoy them and really love me. So, I always wanted to give her some money here and there. She always refused, but I insisted.

Am I being played? Maybe, but I doubt it. And besides, even if I am being played, they are poor, so WTF. I shouldn't be a dick just because I got lucky in life and they didn't.

Am I upping the price and ruining it for everyone else? No, I am tight when it comes to this hobby. I just make rare exceptions here and there.

I almost always agree with you MW. But calling this a tip rubs me the wrong way. I tip a hooker for her extra service. I don't tip a girl I care about. I give her some $$ because I want to. Maybe it's splitting hairs but my original point was SB Nirvana is when it's past transactional. And a tip feels like a transaction. I guess we can both think about it as we like.

[Midwestern]

What have been your SB nirvana moments?

This isn't exactly an SB moment, but I agree with your point about paying more when they deserve it, and don't ask for it. A few months ago, I was in an MP, and on the flip, she starts giving me a BBBJ. This was my first time to this place and I was shocked. No negotiation or discussion about the tip. Then she starts switching back and forth between DFKing and BBBJing me. At the end, I tipped more than usual. You guys might think that I stumbled upon a BBBJ shop (or in China, we call this a KB shop), and I too wondered about this, but this was not the case. This gal just decided to give me a good experience. And she was rewarded for it.

Another example is a mistress that I had. She was very poor, but she has never asked for a penny. But from our encounters, she seemed to really enjoy them and really love me. So, I always wanted to give her some money here and there. She always refused, but I insisted.

Am I being played? Maybe, but I doubt it. And besides, even if I am being played, they are poor, so WTF. I shouldn't be a dick just because I got lucky in life and they didn't.

Am I upping the price and ruining it for everyone else? No, I am tight when it comes to this hobby. I just make rare exceptions here and there.

[Steve 9696]

As I currently struggle in my hometown, my best entertainment is to reflect on past successes. It occurred to me that SB nirvana is achieved when you truly WANT to help your girl out. At that point it's not a transaction because you have come to truly like and care about this person.

I guess I've only had one multi month SB because most of mine are short term traveling SBs. So it's closest to the real thing. It's funny because she is the SB I am least physically attracted to she's gorgeous. Just not my usual type. So I had three points of progression in SB nirvana:

1. After meeting at the hotel a couple times, she invited me to start coming to her place. Nice!

2. On my second or third visit I brought my tools and fixed her chairs because they had never been assembled right and her boyfriend is not handy. LOL. She was SUPER appreciative. Took all of 15 minutes.

3. I started gifting her $500 or $400 instead of the agreed $300 just because she needs it way more in Covid times than I do. It had nothing to do with a sex transaction. I WANTED to give my girl a hand.

Now I am sure I will be flamed for paying over "market" but that's the point. It's not a market once it's one on one. It's you and your girl and how you feel.

Another SB nirvana was with my girl Krystal in Las Vegas. Really my finest experience to date. We had agreed $400 and had a spectacular night one. Just off the charts (think I have posted it) but then on night two I gave her More than that and bought her a nice necklace at the Swarovski store. At no point did she ask for more. I WANTED to do it because fuck she is a rock star and deserves it and I was (and am) totally into her. Damn she's gorgeous and a blast.

So it's that "want to" that is the key to whether you have achieved true SB IMO. Even if it's short like Krystal (we are still in touch and hope to meetup post Covid).

Two other moments stand out as "getting it right" and beyond transactional. The first is with first-timer Emily in NYC. After having the most amazing date and passionate sex, we are lying in bed pillow-talking and we will literally stare into each other's eyes for 30 seconds or more. It's so intimate. Even girls I've been with several times we don't get here.

The second was again with Krystal. After having sex, dinner, drinks and sex again (5 hrs in at this point) and having crashed in the bed, I am roused by the sound of her taking off her (new) necklace to the nightstand. She's staying over! This is purely her decision based on how the night went. Sigh. What a great feeling. My goddess is sleeping over. SB nirvana baby!

What have been your SB nirvana moments?

[LshRoomer]

Diva girls at 150 are excellent. No need to pay anymore than that. Many girls charge more but all the girls I listed are 150 or at at most 200 girls. More pounds only buys a nicer flat. If you can get to London see Melty. Best combo of looks and performance. But if you want to see the nicest ass on Planet earth see Fortune. It defies logic. Both are seeing guys right now.

Meanwhile back at home I am sucking ass on finding a local SB. Had a great date and a quick kiss at the meet and greet. But she says shes been depressed a lot and etc. so its not progressing. Even digging into the escort scene. This reminds me that *** is back functioning at full speed. So maybe I can find something there.

Just checked out Diva again and all this is doing is making me realize how F* at k#the up this COVID situation is. I don't think I'll be London any time soon, but I'm definitely planning to hit a few places when flights open up again.

In terms of the escort scene in the US. Thumbs down for me. The quality, looks, and performance just never add up to the price for me. So, instead I've been living vicariously through you guys until traveling becomes a thing. I'm personally already looking to check out Lisbon, a girl I know in Berlin, another one in Hamburg (she's kinda weird, and I haven't had the chance to bang her yet. She first mentioned 700/ night and I told her 300 is more reasonable. She changed her mind instantly. Not sure if I can still get that number from her post-covid) and some FKKs in Germany. Knock it all out in a 5 day trip.

Steve. Good luck on the local search man!! Keep us posted!!