FKK Paradise - Stuttgart

[Frozty]

Apologies. That was from my post in early Dec. The girls told me that it was the first week they had changed it. I'm not big on Dessous either so I was a bit pissed off. I guess they've changed it back again. Think I might ring ahead next time to avoid disappointment.

CK.

Thanks, but no need. I had a great day! Given the change, I had tried to confirm on their website but found nothing.

The girls told me that things had changed around. Monday is full dress day and Wednesday is lingerie. For the moment anyway!

I've never attended a full dress day. Didn't know there was such a thing. I'm tempted to give it a try sometime. Just for something new.

[Citizen Kane]

I had read on the thread that dessous day had switched from Wednesday to Thursday. I am not a fan of dessous so switched my original plan to visit Sakura on Wednesday, to Paradise instead. As it happens, today was dessous day at Paradise.

Apologies. That was from my post in early Dec. The girls told me that it was the first week they had changed it. I'm not big on Dessous either so I was a bit pissed off. I guess they've changed it back again. Think I might ring ahead next time to avoid disappointment.

CK.

[Frozty]

I had arrived at the club at around 11.30 am. It was very quiet. My initial feeling was that the lineup was disappointing. However, it was dessous day, mid-week, and early. My experience at Artemis is that Dessous day tends to increase the number of larger girls most of the girls that I saw at start of my day at Paradise were too large for my taste. By early afternoon, the lineup had improved a lot. There were plenty of options for me. I did not make an effort to count the number of girls, but I estimate between 30 and 40. The girls easily outnumbered the men during my visit.

The atmosphere was very friendly. Many girls approached me, but all in good spirit and without any stress.

My first trip to the room was with Alma from Spain. She does not really fit my profile, but I was attracted by her sweet nature. I have also just returned from a few happy days in Cadaques, which had left me with the urge to sample some more of Spain. We spent 90 minutes, with two sessions in rooms sandwiching half an hour outside on the terrace. The terrace is a useful facility, but the worst outside space of any of the clubs that I have visited. I enjoy a session outside, but decided to go back to the rooms due to that fact that another punter had decided to lay naked, masturbating whilst openly watching Alma and I. It was distracting, to be honest. I enjoyed my time with Alma, but will probably not repeat.

Next up was Laura from Romania. To me, she has the hottest body in the building; her ass is just fantastic. We spent an hour and had a great time. I prefer slow and steady, and I had to work hard to slow her pace down. She can be crazy, but soon adjusted to my pace. We got on well, and I had a great session with her. I had expected that we might not hit it off emotionally, but was prepared to live with that. However, in the end, the chemistry was pretty great, and we understood each other well. I realised that there is no substitute for experience in these situations. Just be open, honest and respectful with the girl and they will usually come round to your preferences. I don't think the session would have worked early on in my FKK career. A definite repeater for me.

My final session of the day was with Tina from Romania. There were a few girls that I wanted to try, but Tina stirred me the most. I don't usually click with blondes (natural or otherwise) but after a few minutes talking with Tina, I had a very good feeling about her. I was right. Very right. My best session since the retirement of Nina at Artemis. I spent some time telling Tina what I wanted, and she was fantastic. The sex was incredibly intense, particularly in reverse cowgirl. A really great end to the day.

In overview, my three sessions were very good, great and exceptional. Every girl that I met was friendly. All three sessions included passionate DFK and plenty of body contact, which is great for me. The rooms were all high quality. I enjoyed my day enough to ditch tomorrow's trip to Sakura. I will return to Paradise.

[Frozty]

Today was my first visit to Paradise, Stuttgart. With apologies for length, a few thoughts.

I travelled from London Gatwick on an early flight, taking advantage of Easyjet's new route to Stuttgart. The plane was only one quarter full, so it still has not really got going. However, the light load made the flight very efficient.

One stop on the S-Bahn and I was at Echterdingen, the closest station to the club. It felt like walking distance from the airport. Echterdingen is a quiet suburb, and the local hotels, shops and the club are all a short walk from the station. A complete contrast to the hustle of my usual visit to Artemis, and occasional visit to Frankfurt. Much more time is spent travelling in those cities.

It was evident that Stuttgart is not quite as tourist friendly, in that not all signs are translated into my language. Not a complaint, as we don't translate much into German back in London, but I did notice the difference compared with Berlin and Frankfurt. However, my experiences in those cities meant that I had no difficulties navigating Stuttgart.

I arrived at the Ibis at 10.30, only two hours after take-off in London. I had warned the hotel of my early arrival and, happily, my room was ready. The room is identical to every other Ibis in every other city. Adequate. I caught up on a few emails and calls, and then left for the club.

After a walk of less than ten minutes, I was paying my entrance fee and was handed my robe and key. There are a few variations in the process compared with other clubs that I have visited. I was asked my shoe size and handed a key for a locker with the right size sandals. I was given a decent robe and a locker key on a lanyard. I was directed to the locker room, and it took me a while to realise that I would only get one locker. There is a valuables safe on the floor of each locker to keep your euros. I am used to having a separate locker for my cash. It does mean that the girl comes back with you to the locker room after a session.

The locker room facilities were good, although the showers are frustrating in that they only run for three or four seconds before you have the push the button again. A nice touch is the provision of mouthwash and plastic cups to help freshen up. There were plenty of towels available.

I washed up and stepped out into the main room. I took a quick walk round the ground floor, but didn't immediately understand the layout of the place. However, it is not really that difficult. It is a large square, with plenty of comfortable seating in the middle. The four sides contain, in turn, the bar, the dining area, the stairs to the first floor rooms, and the wellness zone. The thecor is very kitsch, but all in good condition. I couldn't find the outside space, so left that for later.

I started with some breakfast. Hot food was available, but I settled for some fruit and pastries. It was all very fresh and nicely laid out. Food was available all day, and it is also possible to help yourself to tea, coffee and soft drinks all day. Alcoholic drinks are available at the bar. Each drink is apparently recorded on your key FOB, to be paid for when you leave. I like the idea, but I did not try it out. Dinner was served from 6. 30 pm it was ok.

I investigated the wellness area, but did not try any of the facilities. The sauna looked ok, but I wasn't that impressed with facilities. However, that's no problem for me.

I had read on the thread that dessous day had switched from Wednesday to Thursday. I am not a fan of dessous so switched my original plan to visit Sakura on Wednesday, to Paradise instead. As it happens, today was dessous day at Paradise. Not ideal, but I wasn't going to let it ruin my day. I had tried to check the club website last night, but couldn't find any information.

That's my thoughts on travel and facilities. A report on the girls will follow.

[MrManGuy]

She seemed like a very cheery, positive presence. Attractive too! Very Aryan in the way of the much-celebrated Marie. I thought it was ironic that with all the filmmakers' concerns about exploitation, they were certainly exploiting her too, in that scene where they got her to admit she'd been with 50,000 men. That was as damaging to her future as anything anybody else in her life has done to her, and she probably didn't even get paid for it.

I read this later, interesting take:

http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/pr...e-to-paradise/

Only once sex is involved are people even slightly worried about exploitation of others. This is because of religion pure and simple. The girls are fine. You make it illegal the religious people are happy and the girls are not fine.

[Comvos2002]

This is it, I am done with FKKs very next or inside a city. On top of it this is next to the exhibition area (Messe)!

Been yesterday evening to Palace, some nice, Romanian, ladies but the attitude of most of them has nothing to do with the World's girls for example.

Conclusion is that massive number of customers spoils the service level. I will not enter into details but service and attitude when talking at girls was average or less than it.

Plus I find very annoying to be around with those groups of tourists who are laughing like kids, making obvious jokes and talking out loud, this also spoiled a lot the erotic ambiance which otherwise would exist over there.

So men. As far as possible from big urban areas!

[McAdonis]

One of the legitimate dangers of legalization connected more to the stigma than the sin itself is that it's hard to escape this world. Josie alludes to not having friends outside it.

That's probably one of the reasons we do not see many ethnic-German girls in the FKK. They have too much to lose. I suspect the majority of the German FKK girls now are already social pariahs--tattoos, gangs, drugs, etc. The Romanian WG's at least can return to a normal life back in their home country and lead a normal life.

I thought it was ironic that with all the filmmakers' concerns about exploitation, they were certainly exploiting her too, in that scene where they got her to admit she'd been with 50,000 men. That was as damaging to her future as anything anybody else in her life has done to her, and she probably didn't even get paid for it.

I hope the tax authorities are not going after Josie based on her disclosure!

[Hessen Bub]

There's no other (legal) job in Germany in which you can make that much money without any education at all.

HB.

[Jmioffe]

I finally got around to watching the channel 4 doc, thanks for posting. I thought it was a pretty fair treatment. There was a slight agenda showing the dark side of legalization of prostitution, but I think as a British person weighing whether or not to support it, I would want to see details like this. I think it's only fair they hit the pimp angle, but it was pretty light, imo.

It was also good to see a lot of the things that I've off-handedly observed, affirmed. The girls are not making a crazy amount of money.

At 12:00, Michael says a girl can make 15,000 in 3 days. But that's at the top end. He says most make 5 K to 8 K a month. That's 60 K to 96 K. At one point, Josie says an average day is 15 to 20 clients. If every day is a good day, and if she works six days a week, that's what -- 250,000 Euros counting expenses? Tax-free, so sure, a pretty good living. She even estimates 50,000 men, so that's about her total over a lifetime. It's still relatively modest. It's only doctor or CEO pay for a year or two. I've talked to girls about the labels they like and the things they consume. It's very middle class in my experience.

It's pretty safe to say there are aspects of pimping in this world. On the other hand, it's not universal. It's nice to see that there are also good ways for someone like Josie, who would otherwise be working in a McDonalds, to make a good salary, and not be under the thumb of criminals.

However, the filmmakers are quick to point out even Josie might not be in this world if she had not been a survivor of sexual abuse. I've seen a lot similar said about porn actresses. I'm not sure that's true. Even if it is, that doesn't mean the option of making money this way should be closed off.

Sex is a pleasure, and like most sins, like gambling and alcohol, there is a danger of addiction and exploitation. As much evil comes from booze and gambling as prostitution. Any sin draws the criminal element. I don't think the issue is to abolish the sin, but to lessen the impact of the criminal element, as casinos and bars have done.

Sex, however, is a little trickier because it carries an element of stigma that gambling and boozing doesn't. One of the legitimate dangers of legalization connected more to the stigma than the sin itself is that it's hard to escape this world. Josie alludes to not having friends outside it. Michael's relationship with his wife seems to be affected by it. I think about it too at times with the girls I've been with who are newer to this world. I think about it myself as I sometimes forgo relationships with less attractive real women for the temporary ones. We're all mortgaging our futures, in a sense.

I'm not sure if it will ever be possible to get rid of this stigma though. Sex is much more elemental than booze or gambling. It's connected to our survival instinct as nothing else is. That's one of the reasons why working girls are looked down upon. But then again, premarital sex was taboo before contraception, because getting pregnant meant the end of a woman's human potential. And that has changed. Sex is being so commodified that maybe one day sex work will lose its stigma. After all, America's number one reality star owes her fame to a sex tape.

I saw some info here on Felicia, and did some German googling about Marc-Dennis Steinz to learn the story of Jurgen's son, but does anyone have anything to say about Josie?

She seemed like a very cheery, positive presence. Attractive too! Very Aryan in the way of the much-celebrated Marie. I thought it was ironic that with all the filmmakers' concerns about exploitation, they were certainly exploiting her too, in that scene where they got her to admit she'd been with 50,000 men. That was as damaging to her future as anything anybody else in her life has done to her, and she probably didn't even get paid for it.

I read this later, interesting take:

http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/pr...e-to-paradise/

[XXL]

My recent visits had been on Saturdays in early afternoon and had been disappointing. It was very different this time (Thursday, 10 pm). Nearly all the girls I saw were new to me and there were not too many men. Paradise Stuttgart is back on my list, if only on account of its closer proximity to the motorway than Sakura.

I stayed at Holiday Inn Express. The hotel is really close to the FKK (400 meters according to my GPS). It's a dark and lonely 400 meters to walk at night but if you think (like I do) that Stuttgart is safe you can spare yourself the trouble of getting your car out of the hotel underground garage. I had a queen size bed with a reasonable mattress, the latter a rarity in 3-star hotels in Germany, but the sound-proofing was not up to scratch. Next time I'll contrive to get a room looking out to the other side (the FKK side see if I can avoid the traffic noise coming from the motorway side. Breakfast was good and tasted all the better since I was looking forward to testing Paradise Saarbrcken on that very same say (my report in the relevant thread).

[Comvos2002]

I will drive through Stuttgart on Monday evening, do you think the club will be empty? Is it a good idea to visit the club?

Thanks.

[PussyLiccker]

The girl who I went with who was called 'Eria ' (she said it as 'Area') was really very beautiful and I remember she said she has also worked in Ingolstadt before. She looked a bit like the Greek model below (with a slightly more hooked nose).

She has mesmerized me. Can't stop thinking about her! She was tall, lithe, beautiful, with a perfect body and magnificent breasts.

You should not post look a likes, it's a sin here. Kidding. There's just been unnecessary drama on the Oase thread regarding some pictures posted.

Thanks for the look a like, probably better than imagining how she looks.

[Sebastiane]

The girl who I went with who was called 'Eria ' (she said it as 'Area') was really very beautiful and I remember she said she has also worked in Ingolstadt before. She looked a bit like the Greek model below (with a slightly more hooked nose).

She has mesmerized me. Can't stop thinking about her! She was tall, lithe, beautiful, with a perfect body and magnificent breasts.

[Sebastiane]

Thanks for the report on the party, sounds like a good time there. I wish I was around for it to see what girls showed up there. Haven't checkout out Paradise in a long time, and my recent visit to Sakura wasn't the best. Perhaps I should have checked out Paradise instead as I recall more girls and more lookers there on my past visits. The girls you listed are tall, which I'm into also.

Yes there were a lot of girls there who are usually not seen at Paradise (well not by me and I've been a fair number of times now such that.

I can spot the regulars)- many of them from other clubs no doubt just for the party- and lot of them were tall, model like, types.

[Sebastiane]

I'd always prefer Paradise over Sakura.

Did all the sessions include DFK? Thanks.

HB.

Yes, Paradise is a cool place. Sakura has lovely girls and the wellness facilities are second-to-none but the atmosphere is slightly boring. Then again I've not gone on a weekend or stayed so late so can't really compare.

All the girls included DFK except one of them who did not kiss at all.