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  1. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCane  [View Original Post]
    You beat me to it! The Ruskies are going to have another field day this fall. Sigh!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-elisa-granato
    I've been searching through my fb page to determine which media outlet I got that news item from without success. They must have removed it. A pity as I would like to unfollow whichever it was.

  2. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by Arnold15  [View Original Post]
    20 % of hospital personnel in Stockholm immune.

    And this was among people who had "protected" outfit.
    20% in people exposed 1000 times more to the virus that you and me.

  3. #288
    Quote Originally Posted by Canary  [View Original Post]
    Please ignore this, fake news and lies.

    She is alive and well.

    Such rubbish written on this and other sites about Covid-19.
    Sadly true. Would be laughable if not so sad.

  4. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by MrHo  [View Original Post]
    It is bit too late for that, those nations who focused on death rate as I have been saying from beginning with preferably balanced lock down and not no lock down or total lock down (which did not work due to crazy death rates in those nations who did), did better at saving lives.

    Plus it is to do with medical quality, Avigan works for mild symptom, within first 6 weeks since infection, but Japan cannot produce mega amount in just few weeks, but first 5 million pill are to be dispatch to 20 nations in may and it is free, so people in those 20 nations has access to it and it should be cheap as Japan is giving it for free. Our FKK land Germany is using Avigan as well, so may hope some tutes we knows life if they are infected. This is originally made for bird flu and side effect avoidance is for pregnant women. It can be used for old people etc.

    There also is another medicine made by USA which is working, but it is strong one which is originally for Ebola, so I don't know the effect on body. But that is also working on mild symptom.

    However, in case like these, beside medicine, usually nations do what they believe is best and they won't listen till things are too late. Even with mask, they did not listen saying it did not work based on usual western narrow minded stereo type that are still 50 years ago, mask is not so much to prevent you from getting infected, but it is more for giving virus to other people, it stop that to great extent.

    Additionally, not all nations can produce medical equipment, so those nations who cannot produce their own medical equipment like life supporting system, artificial lungs etc. Had to deal with limited equipment to extent where doctors had to choose who get those equipment or those who should be left to die..
    Please give us a link to the clinical tral proving that Avigan works. For the record 99.5% of all people inflected recover without any treatment. So does your miracle drug increase to, what, 99.9%.

  5. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by MrHo  [View Original Post]
    It is about Hygiene level. Asia is not clean beside Singapore and Japn and little bit south Korea.

    . It is minority not all people have that, in France it is over 20000 people dead. This is war level number of people and I don't think it is just because they were all cancer, diabetes or fat etc. It is destruction of medical system. France has same level of medical system as Japan, USA or Germany or similar nations, so 20000 death is because hospital was over loaded with patients, some who did not need to come to hospital. It is rather governments fault as they should have restricted who comes to hospitals and who get tested based on symptom to control the visitors of hospitals.

    But hey, we got summer coming, so let see if weather fix it temporary or not.
    Absurd comments. Obvioulsy you don't know what "war" levels means. 20000 deaths is I just 5000 more than same period in 2018. So, yes, there was an increase, byt "war level" please.

    And is it just fake new that some hospitals in Tokyo are overwhelmed. From a good friend living there since 40 years.

    As I said before, I greatly admire Japan, loves (most) Japanese, but you are not one of them, you are just a representative of the small minority who believe they are greater than any other race / human being. GAmbatte Nihon!

  6. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by Arnold15  [View Original Post]
    Yes, catching and recovering = immune.

    Definitely.

    WHO and China spread fake news that there is no immunity.

    But there is a Hidden Agenda.

    China WANTS the U.S. and Europe to lock-down, so China can gain economic advantages.

    New BIG immunity test undertaken in Stockholm will be presented in news tomorrow.

    I will then link.

    Provisonal estimates show "considerably higher immunity" than Chinese tests (2-3 % immune = fake).
    Please give us links to your sources. About guaranteed immunity? You are surely working in a top virology lab, I guess.

  7. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by Arnold15  [View Original Post]
    The open strategy works very good here in Sweden.

    Estimations show that at least 1/3 of population in Stockholm is immune now. Authorities expect that 50 percent will be immune within one month.

    There will probably be a second BIG wave of Corona in autumn. Then lock-down countries are unprotected.

    Sweden will be protected by heard immunity.
    Again wrong: Just check what is the percentage of the total population, even in Sweden, has been infected? Below 20 %, when you need 70% for decent "herd immunity" And whether being previously infected does protect is currently not proven. Good luck to my Swedish friends.

  8. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by Polyamorist  [View Original Post]
    It is no more sparse than Texas.

    Sweden has achieved similar results to other European countries -- but without any lockdown at all. Its strategy is herd immunity. If this works, then in a couple of weeks time Sweden will enjoy results considerable better than everyone else. Then the other countries will quietly abandon the concept of lockdown and let the economy run free again.

    Inshallah!

    By the way this is a great resource to see which countries are in lockdown and which are not:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52103747
    Respectfully disagree; Sweden has higher death rate in Europe compared to population. Maybe it was a price worth paying, that's another debate.

  9. #282

    Interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by Arnold15  [View Original Post]
    20 % of hospital personnel in Stockholm immune.

    And this was among people who had "protected" outfit.
    Quite interesting, so was there enough PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) in the Swedish medical system? I know in the UK there was a shortage. But they think 20% of all of New York city has had it as well, so the number is not that different even given the different lockdown regimes. I know we are only refering to hospital personnel in Stockholm and not the general population.

    But this number can either be much higher than that of the general population, because of exposure or lower since they are taking greater precautions.

    However of course New York is a raging epicenter of this pandemic and it is also much more densely populated than Stockholm is.

    By immune you are referring to who has tested positive for antibodies, right? I have not read much about this, but a lot of reports seem to indicate that the tests for antibodies are not that reliable, so I hope the actual number is higher so that we do reach herd immunity levels.

  10. #281
    20 % of hospital personnel in Stockholm immune.

    And this was among people who had "protected" outfit.

  11. #280

    Yep

    Quote Originally Posted by Downandup  [View Original Post]
    This post is so wrong! You have been reading fake news, post a link if you have reason to justify this.

    https://fullfact.org/online/elisa-granato-fake/ Shows the newsfeed from BBC.
    You beat me to it! The Ruskies are going to have another field day this fall. Sigh!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-elisa-granato

  12. #279
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    The female English scientist who was the first to test their vaccine died two days later. Four others who allowed themselves to be administered the vaccine are very sick.
    This post is so wrong! You have been reading fake news, post a link if you have reason to justify this.

    https://fullfact.org/online/elisa-granato-fake/ Shows the newsfeed from BBC.

  13. #278
    Quote Originally Posted by Polyamorist  [View Original Post]
    But not for everybody. I am really liking the death graphs for Sweden, Switzerland and Swaziland right now. If they can get this under control, they will set an example to the whole world.
    https://www.westernjournal.com/swede...sharingbuttons

  14. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    The female English scientist who was the first to test their vaccine died two days later. Four others who allowed themselves to be administered the vaccine are very sick.
    Please ignore this, fake news and lies.

    She is alive and well.

    Such rubbish written on this and other sites about Covid-19.

  15. #276
    Quote Originally Posted by Pistons  [View Original Post]
    ............I fear who just want to vaccinate us with some hybrid virus that will make us half sick and ruin our immune systems for the rest of our lives. So funk that!.............
    The female English scientist who was the first to test their vaccine died two days later. Four others who allowed themselves to be administered the vaccine are very sick.

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