Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Pistons]

Well, I just thought this was interesting:

http://republicbroadcasting.org/news...-organization/

I do not think covid 19 is harmless. But I know the vaccine will be worse.

[Sirioja]

Absurd comments. Obvioulsy you don't know what "war" levels means. 20000 deaths is I just 5000 more than same period in 2018. So, yes, there was an increase, byt "war level" please.

And is it just fake new that some hospitals in Tokyo are overwhelmed. From a good friend living there since 40 years.

As I said before, I greatly admire Japan, loves (most) Japanese, but you are not one of them, you are just a representative of the small minority who believe they are greater than any other race / human being. GAmbatte Nihon!

If You write about France, Macron used word war when confined was decided. A German politics answered it was not war because nobody kill others. But killer virus. When we know Chinese figures are not reliable, but Chinese start to tell what they saw, and they were not informed about what really happened, new figures now about 25000 deaths only for Wuhan. But in any country, figures at the moment are only deaths known from healthcare, not all those who died at home, will need time to know for them. For example in France, a 92 yo woman with weak health caught virus, her doctor decided not to send her to hospital, because he knew she couldn't not resist, he thought it was better to let her die at home in her bed. Many who arrived in hospitals were too weak to be saved, lungs were killed. In US, so many with no insurance, so many lost job and insurance, so many illegals, who won't go to healthcare, so I trust much more US than Asia, but how could they really know how many deaths? Future will tell for Asian, not only Chinese, figures, when world will reopen, I don't know when, but for sure before Olympics to come. When small NL and Sweden decided not to kill their economy, I don't know for them, but I'm afraid many will die or fall in poverty from economic crisis where we are falling from no tourism, even not in Amsterdam for coffee shops or Stockholm, no transport, Air France need billions from France, KLN need from NL, Lufthansa need from Germany, I think US help US airlines for about 50 billions USD, no car sold, even no Volvo, construction nearly stopped. Unemployment growing, poverty growing, this will also kill in future, maybe more than virus.

[Mr Ho]

I posted the link, just check the figures yourself, sort by deaths per million. Look at Germany, Austria, Switzerland is lower but lets take a country with a similar known infection count and a strict lockdown regime, Czechia, it has a dramatically lower death rate.

All you have to do is sort by that column on the graph, most of Western Europe has a lower mortality rate per population which is what you would expect with a more relaxed lockdown regime.

If herd immunity is actually happening more quickly because of this, there would be a plausible argument for this. But this hasn't been established yet.

Mortality rate per population is actually more important than just death rate, but death rates in Europe are war level numbers as if they did not care enough if these people die or did not take it seriously or not organized enough, which resulted in such war level death rates.

[Mr Ho]

Absurd comments. Obvioulsy you don't know what "war" levels means. 20000 deaths is I just 5000 more than same period in 2018. So, yes, there was an increase, byt "war level" please.

And is it just fake new that some hospitals in Tokyo are overwhelmed. From a good friend living there since 40 years.

As I said before, I greatly admire Japan, loves (most) Japanese, but you are not one of them, you are just a representative of the small minority who believe they are greater than any other race / human being. GAmbatte Nihon!

Learn to read carefully LOL. Hospitals in Japan are not over loaded, we still have about 20 % bed kept free for second wave of pandemic, we are very prepared race. I was referring to hospitals in some western nations being over whelmed and their health care system no longer functioning due to not enough equipment. Hospitals in Japan are fine because we controlled people allowed to be admitted to hospitals to protect medical care system and also first step of aid for mild symptom here is immune system and lock down in house or hotel, then if lung begin to show the slight danger then we use avigan, which seems to work within 6 weeks.

As for Avigan, you research yourself, I cannot be bother to educate you, but for instance Germany is using it as their choice of medicine, it is just that we are producing it for world now, it takes sometime, and first dispatch is in May as I mentioned for free, and it is to selected 20 nations Germany included. You are very white centric, Japan has one of leading medical knowledge, know how, track record, companies and related in world, so if you or your loved ones get infected, I recommend Avigan if you are not pregnant, it is on the way, but it is not cure, it is to prevent you from getting worst and it is working here. But do what you want, Japan is taking international responsibility as we have since day one of this pandemic which we had before west because China is right next to Japan.

[Mr Ho]

Arithmetic: only about 6% infected in France = 4 millions, can become a problem after confined on 11 May, about 30.000 deaths unfortunately = 0,8 % death rate. 80 % older than 70 and 67% of others had disease making weak to virus, so around 2000 deaths with no reason known before virus. Some make violent reaction under virus. Unfortunately, like in US or UK, we are discovering more and more obese and diabetic in France, under MacDo and Cola, weak versus virus. France never missed free beds, moving improving cases to make free for worst cases. 181 were moved out of France. No proof chloroquine is efficient versus virus, I don't hear about avigan in France, but most of deaths were not so healthy before virus. I think being healthy is best medicine versus virus, even more efficient than mask. Masks are more not to infect others. Many were infected and didn't even know about.

Well French food are pretty creamy and rich in butter and yeah maybe on top of that arrival of American food has helped to make people diabetics, but just death numbers are crazy, it is war level death rate.

There also is speculation, like in Japan, when we are born, it is mandatory to take BCG vaccines by force, so there is speculation that it has something to do with not making condition worst if you are infected with corona virus.

Bottom line is nobody knows, and we have avigan and one more medicine till vaccines arrives in about 1.5 years they say, and both medicines at least avigan is in mass production right now and also hopefully weather in summer may calm corona down a bit, so fingers cross and stay home.

Whatta strange era we get to experience.

[Mr Ho]

Unfortunately, UK may be above 40.000 deaths, France now above 30.000, with only 6% infected = 0,8 % death rate, with 80% older than 70. US don't really know about millions without insurance and illegals, but poverty kill. I confirm figures are not so much about medical power and potential, but much more about how we live, really mirror for society. Asians already experienced and are used to masks, but we will discover more reliable figures in China. Not so sure recovering make immunity for some, but we will judge in future.

As I mentioned former communist states like China, Russia or current communist state like north Korea cannot be trusted, in political arena in slung term, these nations are known as red team and they often openly lie even in foreign affairs field.

[Delta Indigo]

Almost all of Western Europe is worse off than Sweden comparing deaths per million. Belgium, San Marino, Andorra, Spain, Italy, France, UK, Netherlands. Ireland and Switzerland are barely better off but paid a big price and it honestly wasn't worth it.

Sweden have counted more deaths outside of hospitals than many other countries. The numbers you are comparing aren't accurate. Which means that you're drawing false conclusions.

In Sweden more people are worried about the economy and we are not willing to sacrifice our economy and quality of life to do a lockdown that haven't produced any good results in other countries.

The countries that have had a lockdown have to open back up, and that's a real challenge!

I honestly don't understand the obsession comparing different countries, especially considering that it's not over yet and there are more factors to take into consideration than the number of deaths. The economy for example.

To wait for a vaccine is rather naive. Throughout human history the weak ones have died, nowadays people want to play God and can't accept the death of people over 70 and other weak humans.

Damn it, did the World go this mad during the HK flu?

I posted the link, just check the figures yourself, sort by deaths per million. Look at Germany, Austria, Switzerland is lower but lets take a country with a similar known infection count and a strict lockdown regime, Czechia, it has a dramatically lower death rate.

All you have to do is sort by that column on the graph, most of Western Europe has a lower mortality rate per population which is what you would expect with a more relaxed lockdown regime.

If herd immunity is actually happening more quickly because of this, there would be a plausible argument for this. But this hasn't been established yet.

[McAdonis]

If you actually look at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and then sort by deaths per 1 M population, the death rate in Sweden is actually not low relatively speaking, it is higher in some European countries but in most of these cases the countries were far more densely populated or affected on a larger scale much earlier on when the severity of the pandemic was not sufficiently recognized.

In addition to your suggestion to sort by deaths per million, I also sorted by infections per million. Despite the relaxed policy, Sweden's infections per million is lower than most of the larger countries in Western Europe. It could be that Swedish people are just more disciplined when it comes to isolating themselves, despite businesses being open. California is on lockdown, but just this past weekend there were huge crowds at Newport Beach. But as you said, Sweden is densely populated, relatively remote, and was affected later.

[ShooBree]

Respectfully disagree; Sweden has higher death rate in Europe compared to population. Maybe it was a price worth paying, that's another debate.

Sweden has a lower death rate than many other countries countries in Europe: Belgium, San Marino, Andorra, France, Italy, Spain, Netherlands and the UK. Switzerland and Ireland are barely better off.

[ShooBree]

That is what I think as well, in that case the optimistic projections of herd immunity by having this relaxed lockdown policy did not come to fruition. If you actually look at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and then sort by deaths per 1 M population, the death rate in Sweden is actually not low relatively speaking, it is higher in some European countries but in most of these cases the countries were far more densely populated or affected on a larger scale much earlier on when the severity of the pandemic was not sufficiently recognized.

I actually hope that most estimates of the number of people with antibodies are undercounts since the testing for antibodies does not seem sufficiently reliable, I do hope it is an undercount not an over estimate.

However this death toll has not resulted in higher levels of immunity based upon just this figure alone, maybe there is more to this than the figure above.

Almost all of Western Europe is worse off than Sweden comparing deaths per million. Belgium, San Marino, Andorra, Spain, Italy, France, UK, Netherlands. Ireland and Switzerland are barely better off but paid a big price and it honestly wasn't worth it.

Sweden have counted more deaths outside of hospitals than many other countries. The numbers you are comparing aren't accurate. Which means that you're drawing false conclusions.

In Sweden more people are worried about the economy and we are not willing to sacrifice our economy and quality of life to do a lockdown that haven't produced any good results in other countries.

The countries that have had a lockdown have to open back up, and that's a real challenge!

I honestly don't understand the obsession comparing different countries, especially considering that it's not over yet and there are more factors to take into consideration than the number of deaths. The economy for example.

To wait for a vaccine is rather naive. Throughout human history the weak ones have died, nowadays people want to play God and can't accept the death of people over 70 and other weak humans.

Damn it, did the World go this mad during the HK flu?

[ShooBree]

Again wrong: Just check what is the percentage of the total population, even in Sweden, has been infected? Below 20 %, when you need 70% for decent "herd immunity" And whether being previously infected does protect is currently not proven. Good luck to my Swedish friends.

It can't be easy living life in fear. I feel sorry for the rest of you that are imprisoned in your own homes thanks to a failed lockdown by politicians that are afraid to lose the next election.

[Sirioja]

Absurd comments. Obvioulsy you don't know what "war" levels means. 20000 deaths is I just 5000 more than same period in 2018. So, yes, there was an increase, byt "war level" please.

And is it just fake new that some hospitals in Tokyo are overwhelmed. From a good friend living there since 40 years.

As I said before, I greatly admire Japan, loves (most) Japanese, but you are not one of them, you are just a representative of the small minority who believe they are greater than any other race / human being. GAmbatte Nihon!

I think smoking kill about 70/000 per year in France. I was surprised nicotine could protect versus virus which not develop so fast for smokers.

[Sirioja]

It is about Hygiene level. Asia is not clean beside Singapore and Japn and little bit south Korea.

Other thing is that not so much in singapoer and south Korea, but in case of Japan, when you enter home, we take our shoes off at the door, this helped a bit and also our Japanese bath culture, we take bath every single day, so it may help a bit too.

Avigan works within six weeks of infections. Germany is using it now and so as some other nations, and to be honest I imagine France too, I cannot be bother to check. I don't care about corona too much, it is not so big here yet, but it can get worst as we still has 20 % free bed in hospital, but if it get lower and heavy symptom get higher, we can destroy medical care system too, but Avigan is working, so usually it does not go to heavy symptom then death. However, it is not vaccines for this, it is for birdflu originally.

As for your comments about cancers, diabetes, fat people etc. It is minority not all people have that, in France it is over 20000 people dead. This is war level number of people and I don't think it is just because they were all cancer, diabetes or fat etc. It is destruction of medical system. France has same level of medical system as Japan, USA or Germany or similar nations, so 20000 death is because hospital was over loaded with patients, some who did not need to come to hospital. It is rather governments fault as they should have restricted who comes to hospitals and who get tested based on symptom to control the visitors of hospitals.

But hey, we got summer coming, so let see if weather fix it temporary or not.

Arithmetic: only about 6% infected in France = 4 millions, can become a problem after confined on 11 May, about 30.000 deaths unfortunately = 0,8 % death rate. 80 % older than 70 and 67% of others had disease making weak to virus, so around 2000 deaths with no reason known before virus. Some make violent reaction under virus. Unfortunately, like in US or UK, we are discovering more and more obese and diabetic in France, under MacDo and Cola, weak versus virus. France never missed free beds, moving improving cases to make free for worst cases. 181 were moved out of France. No proof chloroquine is efficient versus virus, I don't hear about avigan in France, but most of deaths were not so healthy before virus. I think being healthy is best medicine versus virus, even more efficient than mask. Masks are more not to infect others. Many were infected and didn't even know about.

[Delta Indigo]

20% in people exposed 1000 times more to the virus that you and me.

That is what I think as well, in that case the optimistic projections of herd immunity by having this relaxed lockdown policy did not come to fruition. If you actually look at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and then sort by deaths per 1 M population, the death rate in Sweden is actually not low relatively speaking, it is higher in some European countries but in most of these cases the countries were far more densely populated or affected on a larger scale much earlier on when the severity of the pandemic was not sufficiently recognized.

I actually hope that most estimates of the number of people with antibodies are undercounts since the testing for antibodies does not seem sufficiently reliable, I do hope it is an undercount not an over estimate.

However this death toll has not resulted in higher levels of immunity based upon just this figure alone, maybe there is more to this than the figure above.

[Sirioja]

It is bit too late for that, those nations who focused on death rate as I have been saying from beginning with preferably balanced lock down and not no lock down or total lock down (which did not work due to crazy death rates in those nations who did), did better at saving lives.

Plus it is to do with medical quality, Avigan works for mild symptom, within first 6 weeks since infection, but Japan cannot produce mega amount in just few weeks, but first 5 million pill are to be dispatch to 20 nations in may and it is free, so people in those 20 nations has access to it and it should be cheap as Japan is giving it for free. Our FKK land Germany is using Avigan as well, so may hope some tutes we knows life if they are infected. This is originally made for bird flu and side effect avoidance is for pregnant women. It can be used for old people etc.

There also is another medicine made by USA which is working, but it is strong one which is originally for Ebola, so I don't know the effect on body. But that is also working on mild symptom.

However, in case like these, beside medicine, usually nations do what they believe is best and they won't listen till things are too late. Even with mask, they did not listen saying it did not work based on usual western narrow minded stereo type that are still 50 years ago, mask is not so much to prevent you from getting infected, but it is more for giving virus to other people, it stop that to great extent..

Unfortunately, UK may be above 40.000 deaths, France now above 30.000, with only 6% infected = 0,8 % death rate, with 80% older than 70. US don't really know about millions without insurance and illegals, but poverty kill. I confirm figures are not so much about medical power and potential, but much more about how we live, really mirror for society. Asians already experienced and are used to masks, but we will discover more reliable figures in China. Not so sure recovering make immunity for some, but we will judge in future.