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01-24-21 12:01 #1978
Posts: 5452Originally Posted by Canada [View Original Post]
Really? Something so obvious never once occurred to you in the weeks since the insurrection until I mentioned it here?
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01-24-21 06:04 #1977
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by ShooBree [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by ShooBree [View Original Post]
Not amateur blind fools.
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01-24-21 05:20 #1976
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by Mdemde [View Original Post]
The reality, however, is that while impeachment is a legal hearing, it is not necessarily a criminal trial. The standard of proof is much lower than, say, a murder trial, despite multiple numerous defense teams' attempts to try a case otherwise.
As such, if a reasonable case can be made that, even if Trump did not directly instruct the crowd to cause violence, his actions leading up to the 6th of January (knowingly promoting unwarranted claims, coercing election "officials to find votes," the inflammatory speeches and tweets, etc) it would be reasonable for the Senate to find him responsible for "incitement of insurrection" even without direct verbiage to promote violence. In this case, it is a case of personal conduct, one that betrays "public trust. " Even if his words cannot be proven to be direct incitement, his cumulative actions from the election to the riots are being evaluated in their totality, not just the speech on the 6th of January.
(I am no constitutional legal expert but I can read Wikipedia and the sources that it references.)
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01-24-21 04:19 #1975
Posts: 690Originally Posted by ShooBree [View Original Post]
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01-24-21 04:14 #1974
Posts: 690Originally Posted by Mdemde [View Original Post]
The Federal government has no say in how states conduct there elections. Trump already did an audit in 2017 and found nothing. Many states just told him to go jump. Biden could not institute an audit without cooperation from the states. Georgia did several recounts and an audit and it did not change the result. The bottom line is Trumps behavior antagonizes more people than it wins.
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01-24-21 04:09 #1973
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Donald Trump riled up the crowd with his first words at around 12:15 until his final words to the Eclipses' crowd around an hour later at 1:15 PM. Before TrumpShit finished his speaking, crowd members began heading to the Capital. The first of five barricades at the Capital was breeched at 12:53 PM and by 2 PM essentially all the different barricade boundaries had been crossed by groups of rioters.
He was delighted with the rioting he was seeing on TV and he seemed confused (like not understanding) that the people around him were not as gleeful about what was unfolding as he was.
He expressed his pleasure and enjoyment with the insurrection.
Numerous WH people were encouraging TrumpShit to call in the National Guard, but for around two hours of repeated encouragement from the folks there, TrumpShit made no call to the National Guard.
Mike Pence, securely guarded with other Pence family members in the Capital grounds was the one to eventually call for the National Guard.
The National Guard mobilized after a brief delay, the delay used to confirm they would act this time on Pence's request alone.
If you remember, around a half dozen people who work in the Trump administration, and who were witness to all this fucked-up crap from the President, resigned in less than 24 hours.
What is the literary comparison?
Maybe Roman Emperor Nero fiddling as Rome burned?
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01-23-21 21:21 #1972
Posts: 6420Letter
So, what's in the letter Trump left for Biden? I know! "I won sleepy Joe"! LOLOLOL!
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01-23-21 20:25 #1971
Posts: 657Schumer says senators will decide if Trump incited 'erection' at US Capitol
"This going to be hard to live down.
Majority Leader Chuck Schumer got a rise out of lawmakers on the Senate floor Friday when he fumbled his words and said that they will have to decide if former President Donald Trump incited the "erection" against the US.
"Make no mistake, there will be a trial and when that trial ends, senators will have to decide if they believe Donald John Trump incited the erection against the United States," Schumer said. . . " NY Post.
Commenters: "Gads. Maybe he has whatever Biden has. " "Erections have consequences."
"is it constitutional to impeach someone not in office? This seems like a pretty straightforward yes or no question. If it's unclear, and they move forward, I can't wait until the trial for Obama once the MAGA party moves in."
Is that Jeffrey Toobin's defense? Trump incited his erection? LOL.
"That was Freudian. Chuckie has always had a hard on for Trump since Day One. " "In before the Toobin remark. " "Is that Jeffrey Toobin's defense? Trump incited his erection? LOL".
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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01-23-21 18:24 #1970
Posts: 5452Originally Posted by Mdemde [View Original Post]
Surely there must be plenty of evidence that he was shocked and dismayed by behavior he never, ever intended, in real time, when he saw them climbing the walls, breaking windows, getting a blow-by-blow report for what they were actually doing when they arrived at the Capitol Building on his orders. And he must have gotten that intel sooner than almost anyone else in the country. So there must also be a phone record and lots of documentation of President Trump making those calls at an emergency pace within a minute of the first sound and report of broken glass.
Now, if instead, there is only evidence and testimony of him sitting back on his couch watching the rioters storm and invade the place without him springing into action to call out the troops to respond to what he later called "defiling the seat of American democracy", well then that behavior will go a long way to substantiating the most difficult aspect to prove for the crime of inciting a riot with ones words; intent.
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01-23-21 18:02 #1969
Posts: 154Originally Posted by Mdemde [View Original Post]
You are a second edition of Shoo Bree? If not, stop beating about the bush and tell us once and for all WHO in your opinion did win the election?
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01-23-21 17:16 #1968
Posts: 295There needs to be an independent audit of the vote in the POTUS election
Originally Posted by Tavares [View Original Post]
As for the allegations that the election was rigged, Biden could have stepped up back in November and announced that his first act after he was sworn in as President would be to set up an independent audit of the voting and invited Trump to participate. But Biden didn't. It's almost as if he, and the Democrats, are frightened of what such an audit might dig up.
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01-23-21 16:20 #1967
Posts: 1184How about that crack pip
Originally Posted by Detwing1 [View Original Post]
In a way it's actually true, he wants to unite the nation but without having to compromise on a single issue. Joe Biden is the most radical left wing president USA ever seen.
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01-23-21 16:16 #1966
Posts: 1184Originally Posted by Tavares [View Original Post]
I understand what this is about, you liberals supports political violence and terrorism as long as it's carried out by your own people. What you haven't realized is that conservatives do not condone political violence no matter of the perpetrators political affiliation.
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01-23-21 16:13 #1965
Posts: 1184Originally Posted by Philosophus [View Original Post]
The Democrats created this situation by their unprecedented witch-hunt against Trump and their support of extremists initiating insurrections and riots all over America. The Democrats needs to apologize for how they attacked US democracy by calling Donald Trump "illegitimate" and encouraged terrorists to attack one American city after the other. Cops were killed because of the liberal media and liberal politicians.
The leftist made USA look like a third world country.
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01-23-21 15:17 #1964
Posts: 1604Originally Posted by Mdemde [View Original Post]
By the way, the insurrectionists are on tape saying that Trump told them to do it. But not to worry, there aren't 17 Senators with spines.