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FuriousGeorge
04-04-25, 07:30
Ha. So much nonsense going on. Very entertaining. A: Nobody is looking for you, you'll be fine. Be: A girl mouth-spinning on your dick isn't anything special. I agree with whoever said it's hard enough to teach a Pinay to give a good handjob. And blowjob, forget about it. They either excel or they don't.
The true secret to getting your mind blown sexually is getting edged. I have a friend, on occasion, who will blow me for 2-3 hours. Like she thrives on it, she loves it, she gets off on it. If I'm about to cum, I push her away and regain control. This continues for hours. She considers it an honor and tells me not to cum even when I want to. When she finally agrees to allow it, literally after 2. 5 hours, she will do it slow and steady, and fellas, believe me when I tell you, you will get close to blacking out. You will be so spent, it will take you many minutes to recover, perhaps days. Forget this red rope stuff. Find a girl who will do that.
Alexandra2525
04-04-25, 18:34
Thanks to all those that replied.
Yes, I can put up a random picture of someone that vaguely looks similar. The only issue is that I won't be able to get 'verified' status.
I was verified on Thai Friendly (near identical platform) and that used some kind of software and camera on my phone to confirm that I matched the photos that I uploaded.
I doubt freelancers are that bothered whether I am verified or not though.
I suppose it would probably be possible to use some kind of app to alter my own picture so it looks similar to me but I'm not identifiable.
It would be a real shame to miss out on PL, I really don't fancy paying the ridiculous bar fines in Burgos. I don't mind paying the girls the going rate but paying the same amount to the bar kinda sticks in my throat.
Thanks for the advice so far.
Thanks to all those that replied.
Yes, I can put up a random picture of someone that vaguely looks similar. The only issue is that I won't be able to get 'verified' status.
Like everything in the Philippines, cash solves all problems. Pay the $25 for membership and Pina Love won't insist on verification. 99% of girls don't care.
You seem to be overthinking everything. The girls are expert at meeting and extracting cash from guys. They will be the one hunting you. You don't need to go to extreme lengths just to get laid. It's much better just to turn up, bring some cash and have some fun. Preplanning to the nth degree is not required and is actually counter productive.
Burgos can be fun but I'd agree that there are many different alternatives at all different prices and effort required.
Enjoy. G.
Old And Ugly
04-05-25, 04:21
................99% of girls don't care.
You seem to be overthinking everything. The girls are expert at meeting and extracting cash from guys. They will be the one hunting you. You don't need to go to extreme lengths just to get laid. It's much better just to turn up, bring some cash and have some fun. Preplanning to the nth degree is not required and is actually counter productive.
.........Exactly! Their only mission is to separate you from your money as quickly, and easily as possible with minimal effort. That's the only thing you have to keep in mind. Nothing else matters for them!
Old And Ugly
04-05-25, 04:35
Ha. So much nonsense going on. Very entertaining. A: Nobody is looking for you, you'll be fine. Be: A girl mouth-spinning on your dick isn't anything special. I agree with whoever said it's hard enough to teach a Pinay to give a good handjob. And blowjob, forget about it. They either excel or they don't.
The true secret to getting your mind blown sexually is getting edged. I have a friend, on occasion, who will blow me for 2-3 hours. Like she thrives on it, she loves it, she gets off on it. If I'm about to cum, I push her away and regain control. This continues for hours. She considers it an honor and tells me not to cum even when I want to. When she finally agrees to allow it, literally after 2. 5 hours, she will do it slow and steady, and fellas, believe me when I tell you, you will get close to blacking out. You will be so spent, it will take you many minutes to recover, perhaps days. Forget this red rope stuff. Find a girl who will do that.I have that going on a daily base, it takes me at least 3-4 hours to recover, the only difference is that I'm not trying to delay it, just takes a long time for me, when I was younger that was a blessing, now is a curse.
I'm getting the simulated red rope experience, my GF does the "helicopter" with her tongue, and thus I never had the real red rope performed on me, I imagine it feels kind of similar minus the visual special effects. If anybody knows about such a place, doesn't matter where it is, let me know, I'm going there to try it.
Alexandra2525
04-05-25, 09:48
Like everything in the Philippines, cash solves all problems. Pay the $25 for membership and Pina Love won't insist on verification. 99% of girls don't care.
You seem to be overthinking everything. The girls are expert at meeting and extracting cash from guys. They will be the one hunting you. You don't need to go to extreme lengths just to get laid. It's much better just to turn up, bring some cash and have some fun. Preplanning to the nth degree is not required and is actually counter productive.
Burgos can be fun but I'd agree that there are many different alternatives at all different prices and effort required.
Enjoy. G.Good advice. And yes I do try and over plan everything. I did the same when I went to Thailand and once out there soon realised it was wasted time as all I needed was a pocket of cash and a hard dick.
I'll definitely get the paid subscription to PL in the month leading up to my visit.
Appreciate your advice, thanks!
Exactly! Their only mission is to separate you from your money as quickly, and easily as possible with minimal effort. That's the only thing you have to keep in mind. Nothing else matters for them!You've nailed it Ugly.
Like everything in the Philippines, cash solves all problems. Pay the $25 for membership and Pina Love won't insist on verification. 99% of girls don't care. You seem to be overthinking everything. The girls are expert at meeting and extracting cash from guys. They will be the one hunting you. You don't need to go to extreme lengths just to get laid. It's much better just to turn up, bring some cash and have some fun. Preplanning to the nth degree is not required and is actually counter productive. Burgos can be fun but I'd agree that there are many different alternatives at all different prices and effort required. Enjoy. G.Agree G. Half the time I travel on the run without too much planned in advance except the places I know I'm going to for work. It always works out and many surprises are had along the way.
It would be a real shame to miss out on PL, I really don't fancy paying the ridiculous bar fines in Burgos. I don't mind paying the girls the going rate but paying the same amount to the bar kinda sticks in my throat.Mate, I used PL for the first time just a month ago, after many prior visits to the Phils.
It worked our really well in Boracay which is not really a mongering destination. But then again, on the same trip. I managed to get as much action just by chance, or by thinking outside the box. PL is another great tool to have. I just don't like to spend half of my day messaging chicks.
Just put in your profile, "I'm just after some short time fun" or similar. Tell them straight up what you're after.
I agree with not paying the ridiculous bar fines, which I've made mention of many times before.
After paying airfares, accommodation etc, I may as well visit a brothel full of Chinese chicks back at home. Sure, I reward girls appropriately, but I take out the cut the bar and mama will take. And they're generally happy with what they can get.
Just remember, if you unearth a great performing Pina at the right price, keep in touch with her via Whatsapp and she'll sort you out on your next visit and you won't have to go on the hunt again. Just don't send them any cash when you're back at home.
Remember, we're all playing the game. Us and them.
Just my experience _ Phil.
WestCoast1
04-05-25, 17:22
You've nailed it Ugly.Never say this to your wife.
Locamotive
04-09-25, 22:23
Ha. So much nonsense going on. Very entertaining. A: Nobody is looking for you, you'll be fine. Be: A girl mouth-spinning on your dick isn't anything special. I agree with whoever said it's hard enough to teach a Pinay to give a good handjob. And blowjob, forget about it. They either excel or they don't.
The true secret to getting your mind blown sexually is getting edged. I have a friend, on occasion, who will blow me for 2-3 hours. Like she thrives on it, she loves it, she gets off on it. If I'm about to cum, I push her away and regain control. This continues for hours. She considers it an honor and tells me not to cum even when I want to. When she finally agrees to allow it, literally after 2. 5 hours, she will do it slow and steady, and fellas, believe me when I tell you, you will get close to blacking out. You will be so spent, it will take you many minutes to recover, perhaps days. Forget this red rope stuff. Find a girl who will do that.You are lucky yes that is rare. I've got two regulars similar to that, of course no where near that length, maybe a hour. They do though really enjoy it like licking a popsicle when you've been in the desert a week.
Most though just get the job done, that's ok too but a girl who really enjoys it is a real treat and hard to find.
Alexandra2525
04-10-25, 17:32
You've nailed it Ugly.
Agree G. Half the time I travel on the run without too much planned in advance except the places I know I'm going to for work. It always works out and many surprises are had along the way.
Mate, I used PL for the first time just a month ago, after many prior visits to the Phils.
It worked our really well in Boracay which is not really a mongering destination. But then again, on the same trip. I managed to get as much action just by chance, or by thinking outside the box. PL is another great tool to have. I just don't like to spend half of my day messaging chicks.
Just put in your profile, "I'm just after some short time fun" or similar. Tell them straight up what you're after.
I agree with not paying the ridiculous bar fines, which I've made mention of many times before.
After paying airfares, accommodation etc, I may as well visit a brothel full of Chinese chicks back at home. Sure, I reward girls appropriately, but I take out the cut the bar and mama will take. And they're generally happy with what they can get.
Just remember, if you unearth a great performing Pina at the right price, keep in touch with her via Whatsapp and she'll sort you out on your next visit and you won't have to go on the hunt again. Just don't send them any cash when you're back at home.
Remember, we're all playing the game. Us and them.
Just my experience _ Phil.Thanks Phil!
One of the places that hardly finds a mention here is "Secret Door". I spent 4 nights and 5 days in Manila area. Had some business work. Mixed pleasure along the path. Will post my experiences in snippets soon. Anyway, the most important part I wanted to mention is what is possible at Secret Door after 2 AM or so. It gets crowded. Many FLs or even bar girls start showing up. Buy them a drink and take them to your place. No worries about barfines or unnecessary mamasans. One of the nights I was hanging out waiting for a couple of bar grils who had agreed to show up. There was a petite girl who started chatting. She liked to drink. Bought her a drink and we were just having a nice time. She was open to coming with me or she had some ideas on how to book short-terms around burgos. This place is lively after 2:30 AM. Stay later until 4 or 5, you can land some good girls who are drunk a bit. My $0. 02.
On my latest trip, I landed up going to a place called Bel Air Soho which is very close to the action.
https://www.agoda.com/bel-air-soho-suites/hotel/manila-ph.html?cid=1844104&ds=aWj3Ii9hIAXSt85U
I met these two girls in secret door well past midnight. We were sipping some SML and vodka. One of the girls (lets call her K) asked whether I wanted to get to action. I looked at both of them. The other girl (say S) said that she was in cycle and she asked me to head out with her friend. I mentioned that I needed to register and it will take a few hours. Then S suggested that I use her room in Bel Air. K took her room key and we both went to Bel Air for some action. It was a 3 K affair since I nutted fast in my round 1. Let's say that there was lots of action in Secret door and I couldn't hold for long once we were in the room. I was there until 6 AM or so. BTW, I did not carry hard copy of my passport during my visit and I think K paid 100 or 200 pesos to get around the security checks. Rooms were decent and fairly clean. Something for mongers to consider.
ArmnHammer69
04-14-25, 17:48
Worst experience ever leaving phillipines in the morning. Went to iron horse tonight in Burgos street! Found a cute girl grinding all over me spent $12,000 pesos on our drinks with mamasan! Even tipped good! Go to city garden hotel only to find out the girl doesn't have government ID. As soon as we leave she starts I'm so shy sir drama before we even get to the hotel. Then she try's to get me to pay to go a hotel iron horse owns instead! I returned her back to the club! Told mamasan the embarrassment I just endured. Then she tries to give me uglier girls. I told her the only girl I like there they bring her over and because I have a full size penis says 30,000 to go with me! Instead of the $5000 agreed with the other girl. P.S. $4600 bar fine which after enough of a scene they paid me back! Brutal trip in phillipines worst girls in the world and scams! I'll stick to Colombia, Brazil, Thailand.
Old And Ugly
04-14-25, 18:08
Worst experience ever leaving phillipines in the morning. Went to iron horse tonight in Burgos street! Found a cute girl grinding all over me spent $12,000 pesos on our drinks with mamasan! Even tipped good! Go to city garden hotel only to find out the girl doesn't have government ID. As soon as we leave she starts I'm so shy sir drama before we even get to the hotel. Then she try's to get me to pay to go a hotel iron horse owns instead! I returned her back to the club! Told mamasan the embarrassment I just endured. Then she tries to give me uglier girls. I told her the only girl I like there they bring her over and because I have a full size penis says 30,000 to go with me! Instead of the $5000 agreed with the other girl. P.S. $4600 bar fine which after enough of a scene they paid me back! Brutal trip in phillipines worst girls in the world and scams! I'll stick to Colombia, Brazil, Thailand.And this is the reason why I say that if this is your first trip to the PH, stay away from Manila, and stick to AC. "Sorry for your loss. ".
ArmnHammer69
04-14-25, 18:46
And this is the reason why I say that if this is your first trip to the PH, stay away from Manila, and stick to AC. "Sorry for your loss. ".Went to Angeles city to start the trip it's the most disappointing place for looks got myself wasted and even with beer googles saw maybe 6 hot girls all with little Koreans in the street. Terrible quality there! Saw hotties in Palawan with there 20-30 range boyfriends looking for that USA or Australia passport. Best girls I've seen so far! Passport bros is the new way here or Korean minute man!
Saw hotties in Palawan with there 20-30 range boyfriends looking for that USA or Australia passport. Best girls I've seen so far! Passport bros is the new way here or Korean minute man!I definitely agree that sucking 70 yo dick is no longer the only show in town. There are now a lot of 30 yo Chad's in town. With the explosion in remote work, many have dollars to throw around and the potential of a visa jackpot. They are no longer broke backpackers living in $5 beach nipa huts.
It's a shock to the system for horny old sexpats.
Enjoy. G.
Trevor2522
04-17-25, 08:22
With the explosion in remote work, many have dollars to throw around and the potential of a visa jackpot.What is a 'visa jackpot'? You meant the potential to stay, long-term, on a work or digital-nomad visa, or tourist visa-waiver? I suspect most just use the latter; who would know what they actually do in their apartment?
The Philippines introduced a Digital Nomad Visa in June 2023 to attract remote workers and boost its tourism industry. This visa allows individuals to reside and work remotely in the Philippines for up to 12 months, with the possibility of a 12-month extension. Visa holders are exempt from local taxes on international income and are restricted from engaging in employment with Filipino employers. To
apply, remote workers must be employed in a foreign country and meet certain income requirements.
Student and normal-job 'hotties' simply don't have the time to go to Palawan. They are busy 6 days a week, and need the seventh to rest, clean and do laundry. Girls with free time to accompany foreigners to remote provinces will be unemployed, between jobs, or seeking work abroad.
What is a 'visa jackpot'?Everything you said is correct. However, I was referring to Chad falling in love, getting her a visa and taking girlie back home.
That's far more attractive to some girls than a retiree planning to live in the province , on his pension , until he dies.
Cheers. G.
Curious GFe
04-18-25, 18:52
From my first interaction here just testing the waters to now wanting to subscribe. Thank you for the awareness and tons of information.
In this platform where it all began. Burgos, Makati.
This is where my story started.
2016 to 2018 double life in full swing. Morning duty as a Nursing student, white uniform crisp, heart heavy but determined. Then night falls. And it's straight to Burgos. The street that doesn't sleep. The street where I played my part one of the discreet street girls, walking through flashing neon signs, not just for the thrill, but for survival. For tuition fees, for medical equipment, for a dream.
I still remember the confused glances "A nurse in Burgos?" they'd ask. They thought I was in character. I was. But not the character they imagined. I was fighting for something bigger.
And now, seven years later, I walked back through that street. Not as a girl trying to make it. But as a Licensed Nurse who did.
But the sadness hit too. Some faces didn't change. Some were still walking, still stuck, controlled by substances, by circumstance. That pain stays with me.
Yet in all that darkness, I met my Naughty Angels My Guest / Client who became friends for life.
I carry every memory with me good, bad, and everything in between.
Now I'm not just walking.
I'm running toward the NCLEX, striving for my next level.
And I'll never forget where I came from!
This is my truth. This is my strength.
This is Burgos to Board Exam!
I'm just lucky I had my reasons, my drive, my goals and I made it out!
But not everyone did. That kind of sadness sticks with me.
I'm sharing this not for pity, not for shock but for hope.
This isn't just my story. This is a reminder that no matter where you start, no matter how messy or painful your journey gets, you can still rewrite your ending.
You are more than your past.
You are not your circumstance.
And you are never too far gone to rise.
Fair warning: a long and rambling post with no action reports. Just my ham fisted arrival into Manila.
I nearly fucked up during my home country check-in. I made the mistake of forgetting that I had a dummy ticket and saying the I'm staying 58 days. "Can I see your visa, Sir? Had to back peddle fast, hand over the $10 dummy ticket from Top Onward Ticket and convince him that I was indeed leaving in 24 days. Crisis averted, he finished check-in and actually let me on the plane.
I usually arrive on Cebu Pacific into T3 but am trying another airline. I arrived into T1 late-ish at night. Flight was ok and only delayed by 30 minutes. Lied to Immigration that I'm only staying a month so arrival formalities were pretty easy and quick. No one asked for an onward ticket but I did have to scan the eTravel QR code. Lines were short but as usual moved at a snails pace. It was late so I didn't worry about finding the Immigration office to do another in-airport visa extension. It's been literally decades since I've been through T1 so I couldn't find an open Globe desk for a SIM card. Maybe closed for Good Friday, who knows? Grab booth was at the far drop off lane tucked away to the right, out of site. A line a mile long and painfully show due to staff manually checking in customers one at a time and repeated wifi crashes. After waiting forever, I found out that we can in fact use the App on our own phone but pickups are in a different unmarked area. If hailing yourself, go to pillar A5 to 6 for pick up. Using your own phone also allows the usual in-app card payment. The Grab booth is way slower, charges a premium and only accepts cash payments to the driver. I'll be doing it DIY next time and bypassing the Grab Booth entirely.
The car arrives after a few minutes and we are off to a one night transit in the cheapest hotel I could find on Burgos. I stayed at a complete shit hole apartment last trip so didn't want to stay there again. We arrive and it's the same place!! The owner had just changed the name on Agoda. Cheeky fucker. A room inside the Citadel Inn, right on Burgos. It's still a shit hole with broken doors, hasn't seen a paint in decades and the wifi doesn't work.
I walked over to the 7/11 to grab a P59 Globe Sim card. Way cheaper than the airport so I was happy about that. Or so I thought. Back in the room, still no wifi so I bought a global roaming pack from my home telco as I need to download the Globe App to activate the new Sim. For whatever reason, the app recognises the Sim but doesn't allow me to activate or top up the card. I find the Globe web page and attempt to activate through that but I need to scan a selfie and passport. For what ever reason the AI won't recognise my name on my passport nor match my selfie photo after multiple attempts. I finally get it done then it asks for proof of Phillipines Residential address which I don't have. All of these attempts uses up three Roaming Data packs from my home telco and I still don't have a working Sim. There goes any perceived savings. I give up. It would have been much easier and cheaper to just get someone else to do it when I get the flight in the morning. I pirate another apartment's wifi by guessing the passcode so at least I have something.
By this time, it's getting pretty late. I had organised to meet up with another subscriber but he understandably bailed.
I'm tired, bitter and twisted so I collapse into bed alone. I don't think I missed much. Burgos was very quiet and I didn't even worry about going into a bar.
My flight to Gensan is delayed so at least I get to sleep in.
Welcome to Manila. 🤦.
It's been literally decades since I've been through T1 so I couldn't find an open Globe desk for a SIM card. Maybe closed for Good Friday, who knows? Grab booth was at the far drop off lane tucked away to the right, out of site. A line a mile long and painfully show due to staff manually checking in customers one at a time and repeated wifi crashes. After waiting forever, I found out that we can in fact use the App on our own phone but pickups are in a different unmarked area. If hailing yourself, go to pillar A5 to 6 for pick up. Using your own phone also allows the usual in-app card payment. The Grab booth is way slower, charges a premium and only accepts cash payments to the driver. I'll be doing it DIY next time and bypassing the Grab Booth entirely.
The car arrives after a few minutes and we are off to a one night transit in the cheapest hotel I could find on Burgos. I stayed at a complete shit hole apartment last trip so didn't want to stay there again. We arrive and it's the same place!! The owner had just changed the name on Agoda. Cheeky fucker. A room inside the Citadel Inn, right on Burgos. It's still a shit hole with broken doors, hasn't seen a paint in decades and the wifi doesn't work.
I walked over to the 7/11 to grab a P59 Globe Sim card. Way cheaper than the airport so I was happy about that. Or so I thought. Back in the room, still no wifi so I bought a global roaming pack from my home telco as I need to download the Globe App to activate the new Sim. For whatever reason, the app recognises the Sim but doesn't allow me to activate or top up the card. I find the Globe web page and attempt to activate through that but I need to scan a selfie and passport.
By this time, it's getting pretty late.
Welcome to Manila. 🤦.Hi G,
Things can only get better, but it's Manila.
The whole Grab thing at Terminal 1 is a shitfight.
Better off getting a yellow metered cab downstairs from experience.
Always have the same problems with Globe, especially in Sabang or outside major cities.
I just do a $5 a day roaming plan with Vodaphone in case everything turns to shit and the hotel wi-fi is crap.
Enjoy your trip and look forward to hear of your adventures.
_ Phil.
The whole Grab thing at Terminal 1 is a shitfight.
Better off getting a yellow metered cab downstairs from experience.
_ Phil.It's another one of those Only in the Philippines moments. Grab is a cluster fuck at any Phil airport. In town it's great but at the airport it sucks. As usual, it's just lack of organisation and doing things the most complicated way possible. I always thought that using your own app and phone wasn't possible and that those useless Booths were the only option. Turns out that you can but they don't advertise it and don't even have a marked meeting point.
Other counties just use the app and often even have photo directions in where to go to meet the car but 'Welcome to the Philippines'.
FWIW the app didn't even work upon arrival at Gensan airport. Despite having a heap of cars out the front, all with the Grab logo, none accepted bookings online. I gave up after 3 attempts. Luckily the first guy I asked only wanted P40 over for the trip so I didn't even worry about haggling. I'm guessing they don't want to pay the Grab commission.
Locamotive
04-19-25, 22:13
Worst experience ever leaving phillipines in the morning. Went to iron horse tonight in Burgos street! Found a cute girl grinding all over me spent $12,000 pesos on our drinks with mamasan! Even tipped good! Go to city garden hotel only to find out the girl doesn't have government ID. As soon as we leave she starts I'm so shy sir drama before we even get to the hotel. Then she try's to get me to pay to go a hotel iron horse owns instead! I returned her back to the club! Told mamasan the embarrassment I just endured. Then she tries to give me uglier girls. I told her the only girl I like there they bring her over and because I have a full size penis says 30,000 to go with me! Instead of the $5000 agreed with the other girl. P.S. $4600 bar fine which after enough of a scene they paid me back! Brutal trip in phillipines worst girls in the world and scams! I'll stick to Colombia, Brazil, Thailand.Thats piss poor screening by the bar. The mamasuns usually hire these girls so a valid ID would be my first question. When you get a ID come back and see me, as you can't barfine without one. I usually ask them but I've been known with a buzz to forget. This happened to me once and I took her back to bar and got barfined returned. Hiring her without ID was just stupid.
WestCoast1
04-20-25, 10:15
It's another one of those Only in the Philippines moments. Grab is a cluster fuck at any Phil airport. In town it's great but at the airport it sucks. As usual, it's just lack of organisation and doing things the most complicated way possible. I always thought that using your own app and phone wasn't possible and that those useless Booths were the only option. Turns out that you can but they don't advertise it and don't even have a marked meeting point.A system so silly that this probably belongs in the "Stupid Sh*t" section.
Other counties just use the app and often even have photo directions in where to go to meet the car but 'Welcome to the Philippines'.Yes. In the home country, you use the app to book either when you deplane, or when you pick up your luggage. The Uber cars aren't allowed in an airport 'waiting area' like at NAIA. They are either out on regular patrol in the area, or they specifically loop around the perimeter of the airport waiting for airport arriving passengers who need a lift. Once they take your ride request, they enter the airport and proceed to a parking area specific to Uber. The customer picks up his luggage and walks to that area in the parking lot or structure. Directions there are posted on airport walls and you get a message from your driver on how to get there. The driver sends me a message like: "I just arrived at the Uber pickup area. I am in parking slot #27". I just have to go find that slot. This simple system does involve some walking from the luggage carousel area to the parking structure, but otherwise it works like a charm (I can see how persons in a wheelchair might need help getting there).
The idea that the airport needs 'helper' personnel (either their own, or from Uber or Grab), is a bit silly and is just an extra step in confusion. Not to mention in corruption, as if the app is bypassed for any reason, the drivers have a chance to not run the meter or insist on higher pay in advance.
Where on earth could this have been set up this way. Where. . . ?
My last several inbounds into T1 and T2, I couldn't find a regular white taxi when I stepped outside with my luggage.
Expat American
04-20-25, 17:12
It's another one of those Only in the Philippines moments. Grab is a cluster fuck at any Phil airport. In town it's great but at the airport it sucks. As usual, it's just lack of organisation and doing things the most complicated way possible. I always thought that using your own app and phone wasn't possible and that those useless Booths were the only option. Turns out that you can but they don't advertise it and don't even have a marked meeting point.
Other counties just use the app and often even have photo directions in where to go to meet the car but 'Welcome to the Philippines'.
FWIW the app didn't even work upon arrival at Gensan airport. Despite having a heap of cars out the front, all with the Grab logo, none accepted bookings online. I gave up after 3 attempts. Luckily the first guy I asked only wanted P40 over for the trip so I didn't even worry about haggling. I'm guessing they don't want to pay the Grab commission.I had no issue at all. Followed the signs to the end of the terminal. Stepped outside, called on my app and within 5 min was in the car. Very smooth experience. This was T1 I believe (Singapore airlines).
Old And Ugly
04-20-25, 20:10
Thats piss poor screening by the bar. The mamasuns usually hire these girls so a valid ID would be my first question. When you get a ID come back and see me, as you can't barfine without one. I usually ask them but I've been known with a buzz to forget. This happened to me once and I took her back to bar and got barfined returned. Hiring her without ID was just stupid.Happened to me too, but right after the scamdemic in AC, the girl had a pic of her vax certificate in the phone, but the overzealous receptionist at the hotel, didn't accept it, she wanted the original. Went back the bar next door (Viking) and got my 3 K BF back, waisted only the money for the LD.
WestCoast1
04-20-25, 23:59
I had no issue at all. Followed the signs to the end of the terminal. Stepped outside, called on my app and within 5 min was in the car. Very smooth experience. This was T1 I believe (Singapore airlines).A small touch of confusion. Some gents report that getting Grab at NAIA involved going to the Grab area, and some employees (Grab? Airport?) got them a Grab car / taxi (no app needed). EA appears to have used his app (no need for such employee help). Which is it? Can I use the Grab app to order a Grab car / taxi while I'm waiting at the luggage carousel (or departing the luggage carousel), and have them waiting for me (meter running I would assume) at the NAIA Grab area (as I do with Uber in my country)? Why would I need locals or employees to help me get one if there is a line of them waiting for customers?
A small touch of confusion. Some gents report that getting Grab at NAIA involved going to the Grab area, and some employees (Grab? Airport?) got them a Grab car / taxi (no app needed). EA appears to have used his app (no need for such employee help). Which is it? Can I use the Grab app to order a Grab car / taxi while I'm waiting at the luggage carousel (or departing the luggage carousel), and have them waiting for me (meter running I would assume) at the NAIA Grab area (as I do with Uber in my country)? Why would I need locals or employees to help me get one if there is a line of them waiting for customers?In typical Phil style, the answer is all of the above.
Option 1 is to use the employee 'assisted' Grab Booths. Expect a long line and at least 15 minutes of manual processing of your booking. You are then given a small sheet of paper with the car's rego and told to wait off to the side. In about 5 minutes the car arrives and your journey begins. Pay the driver in cash as cards are not accepted when the girls do the manual booking.
Option 2 is to use your own phone's app, walk outside and wait for the car. Just like everywhere else in the world. EA says there is signage but I didn't see it. At T1 pick up is at pillars A5 to 6. At T3 it is downstairs outside arrivals. Payment is via whatever your app's default is.
I wasn't aware of it at the time but the driver who drove me from the airport confirmed that customers can use their own app. I thought that the Booths were the only option but I was incorrect. Interestingly, there were also many Pinoys in the line behind me who thought the same thing.
In future I'll be using my own phone and app and just walk to the collection point. The manual processing at the Booth is just a total waste of time.
G.
Option 2 is to use your own phone's app, walk outside and wait for the car. Just like everywhere else in the world. EA says there is signage but I didn't see it. At T1 pick up is at pillars A5 to 6. At T3 it is downstairs outside arrivals. Payment is via whatever your app's default is..When I arrived in March T3 was in a carpark on the right after coming out of Arrivals, you actually need to walk to the last bay and go back inside and it to the left then straight on. A taxi tout actually gave me directions as its not obvious though the app did specify the pickup point.
My last several inbounds into T1 and T2, I couldn't find a regular white taxi when I stepped outside with my luggage.I had the same problem on my last two arrivals into T1 Westie.
The white and yellow cabs are now located down the ramp on ground level.
_ Phil.
Expat American
04-21-25, 17:00
A small touch of confusion. Some gents report that getting Grab at NAIA involved going to the Grab area, and some employees (Grab? Airport?) got them a Grab car / taxi (no app needed). EA appears to have used his app (no need for such employee help). Which is it? Can I use the Grab app to order a Grab car / taxi while I'm waiting at the luggage carousel (or departing the luggage carousel), and have them waiting for me (meter running I would assume) at the NAIA Grab area (as I do with Uber in my country)? Why would I need locals or employees to help me get one if there is a line of them waiting for customers?Yes you can use your own app. Small correction on my report. It was at T3 where I arrived but I think its similar at all terminals. I would wait until getting to the pick up area to call the grab because as I understand it the drivers are given a waiting area close by and then pull up when you call. At least that's what my driver told me. It was totally painless and quick.
Yes you can use your own app. Small correction on my report. It was at T3 where I arrived but I think its similar at all terminals. I would wait until getting to the pick up area to call the grab because as I understand it the drivers are given a waiting area close by and then pull up when you call. At least that's what my driver told me. It was totally painless and quick.Why they don't just remove the Booths entirely and have the self service collection areas better signed is beyond me.
The other countries literally have step by step photos after selecting the ride to direct you out of baggage collection and to the meet point. Works much better.
G.
Expat American
04-22-25, 09:30
Why they don't just remove the Booths entirely and have the self service collection areas better signed is beyond me.
The other countries literally have step by step photos after selecting the ride to direct you out of baggage collection and to the meet point. Works much better.
G.If you google Grab Manila Airport T3 you will see detailed instructions and even a video pointing you there. And I saw a lot of big green signs pointing the way. I think booths are there for visitors from the west who may never have heard of grab and don't want to download the app and set up the CC for just one ride. It makes sense to me. I use grab all the time and have app and payment set up so its faster for me to call it myself. Pick up location is exactly the same either way. As inefficient the PHils and MNL is in general, this was not an issue. Actually the entire experience seems much smoother than the last time I flew into MNL (which was years ago as I use CRK most of the time).
If you google Grab Manila Airport T3 you will see detailed instructions and even a video pointing you there. And I saw a lot of big green signs pointing the way. I think booths are there for visitors from the west who may never have heard of grab and don't want to download the app and set up the CC for just one ride. It makes sense to me. I use grab all the time and have app and payment set up so its faster for me to call it myself. Pick up location is exactly the same either way. As inefficient the PHils and MNL is in general, this was not an issue. Actually the entire experience seems much smoother than the last time I flew into MNL (which was years ago as I use CRK most of the time).Good information. I don't know why but I mistakenly thought that we couldn't use the in app directly but had to use the Booth. I'd agree both that Grab is great 99% of the time and that the Booths are essentially useless to seasoned travellers, even across multiple countries.
T1 has the self ordered and Booth assisted pickups in very different areas. Use the app and turn left immediately outside to pillars 5 and 6. The Booth and their pickups are one more lane out and on the far right hand side.
I don't think I'll be using the Booths ever again now that I know the app can be used directly.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
04-23-25, 00:32
If you google Grab Manila Airport T3 you will see detailed instructions and even a video pointing you there. And I saw a lot of big green signs pointing the way. I think booths are there for visitors from the west who may never have heard of grab and don't want to download the app and set up the CC for just one ride. It makes sense to me. I use grab all the time and have app and payment set up so its faster for me to call it myself. Pick up location is exactly the same either way. As inefficient the PHils and MNL is in general, this was not an issue. Actually the entire experience seems much smoother than the last time I flew into MNL (which was years ago as I use CRK most of the time).Thanks EA, this answers my questions. So if I use the booth's employees to get me a Grab taxi, at the end of the ride I will be paying (in cash) the meter + Grab fee?
Expat American
04-23-25, 09:54
Thanks EA, this answers my questions. So if I use the booth's employees to get me a Grab taxi, at the end of the ride I will be paying (in cash) the meter + Grab fee?That I don't know as I have never used the booth. I thought it would be pre paid at the booth but I could be wrong.
The booth will give you a paper with the total amount due to the driver upon completion. This is based on the destination you gave the booth.
That I don't know as I have never used the booth. I thought it would be pre paid at the booth but I could be wrong.
That I don't know as I have never used the booth. I thought it would be pre paid at the booth but I could be wrong.The Booth doesn't accept any form of payment: not cash; not card; strangely, not even your presaved and approved payment method on your app. Just Ride is correct. Payment is cash direct to the driver.
WestCoast1
04-24-25, 01:16
The Booth doesn't accept any form of payment: not cash; not card; strangely, not even your presaved and approved payment method on your app. Just Ride is correct. Payment is cash direct to the driver.
The booth will give you a paper with the total amount due to the driver upon completion. This is based on the destination you gave the booth.JR, thanks. The process is now clear, but the form is not. Are these Grab Taxis? Or Grab Cars? They must be running on the more expensive app Grab Car system, which calculates in advance the basic taxi maximum, and adds a higher Grab fee, to give you an up-front total before requesting a car. Grab Taxis look like normal white Toyota Vios taxis (with a Grab sticker in the window). Grab Cars are just some guy driving his own car, usually with no sticker or Grab identifier. If the booth operator gives you a chit with a pre-determined price, then the driver is not using his meter. I am curious if the booth operator is using HIS Grab app to call the cars.
So, to use the booth, how can I pay with my credit card (the one that my app is tied to) at the end of the ride? If I can't use that, the entire process is utilizing Grab cars, not utilizing the Grab system. Seems convenient however.
A last question that might not be answerable. If I want to skip the booth, can I use my app to order a Grab taxi or car directly to my location; say, T1 arrivals, Bay 12?
JR, thanks.
A last question that might not be answerable. If I want to skip the booth, can I use my app to order a Grab taxi or car directly to my location; say, T1 arrivals, Bay 12?Grab cars are not allowed to pick up in other bays / areas.
WestCoast1
04-24-25, 06:35
Grab cars are not allowed to pick up in other bays / areas.That's probably correct. Were you referring to G Taxis or G cars? G cars have no Grab insignia, and look just like anyone else with a sedan, picking up a relative. What would stop me from app-ordering a Grab Car to bay 12?
Houston Player
04-24-25, 08:04
That's probably correct. Were you referring to G Taxis or G cars? G cars have no Grab insignia, and look just like anyone else with a sedan, picking up a relative. What would stop me from app-ordering a Grab Car to bay 12?I arrived in Manila today. I walked to the Grab pickup area and orderd on my phone. Strangely the only option offered was standard grab, no taxi option or premium or suv option, only standard. I selected standard, 292 pesos from T3 to the Coro hotel in Makati. The first car cancelled. The second car was an Innova suv same fare. Ater arriving at the hotel the driver said he needed to add 35 pesos for the Highway. I tipped 100 pesos. Cheapest ride from the airport I've ever had.
In February the outside Grab stand charged 1000+ pesos paid directly in cash to the grab stand. I can't remember the exact amount but it was a little over 1,000 pesos. Same T3 to Coro hotel.
Iron horse is actually one of my favourite bars on Burgos. Nice selection of girls. But yah don't go spending 12 k on drinks + barfine.
Alexandra2525
04-26-25, 11:09
Iron horse is actually one of my favourite bars on Burgos. Nice selection of girls. But yah don't go spending 12 k on drinks + barfine.Thanks.
Is it the standard Burgos fee of 5 k BF and 5 k to the girl for ST?
WestCoast1
04-26-25, 13:39
Good advice. And yes I do try and over plan everything.
Thanks.
Is it the standard Burgos fee of 5 k BF and 5 k to the girl for ST?OK. The Burgos fees have been discussed ad nauseum on this thread. As you've been posting on ISG since 2023, and have lots of experience in SE Asia, that's more than enough time to have been studying your upcoming trip. Please hit up the old guard (myself even, if not incessantly) in PM if you can't find posts regarding barfine prices, and take your own advice:
I did the same when I went to Thailand and once out there soon realised it was wasted time as all I needed was a pocket of cash and a hard dick.
Grab cars are not allowed to pick up in other bays / areas.Maybe in theory but I have just told the Grab driver in chat the bay I am at and he has come there.
I'm not a huge fan of P. Burgos street due to the high costs related to barfines etc. There are a few massage girls hanging out on the nearby streets (such as the one leading to Handlebar). You can get what you need from them at a cheaper price. They're not as hot as the bar girls, but you can get a massage and the dirty deed for less. They'll start at 4 k but you can easily get the price down. This option is handy if you can't take someone back to your hotel and don't want the hassle of a short time hotel and freelancer. Don't expect the massage room to be luxurious though. And watch for the LBs (unless that's your thing).
I'm not a huge fan of P. Burgos street due to the high costs related to barfines etc. There are a few massage girls hanging out on the nearby streets (such as the one leading to Handlebar). You can get what you need from them at a cheaper price. They're not as hot as the bar girls, but you can get a massage and the dirty deed for less. They'll start at 4 k but you can easily get the price down. This option is handy if you can't take someone back to your hotel and don't want the hassle of a short time hotel and freelancer. Don't expect the massage room to be luxurious though. And watch for the LBs (unless that's your thing).Is the massage actually any good? A strange question, I know but I love both a good deep tissue massage and won't turn back a good fuck either. However, it's rare to find both. Masseuses generally just give a tugjob and hookers can't massage for shit.
If you have another option, I'd definitely be interested.
G.
Expat American
04-28-25, 08:23
Is the massage actually any good? A strange question, I know but I love both a good deep tissue massage and won't turn back a good fuck either. However, it's rare to find both. Masseuses generally just give a tugjob and hookers can't massage for shit.
If you have another option, I'd definitely be interested.
G.You want her to cook you a Michelin level meal as well?
Is the massage actually any good? A strange question, I know but I love both a good deep tissue massage and won't turn back a good fuck either. However, it's rare to find both. Masseuses generally just give a tugjob and hookers can't massage for shit.
If you have another option, I'd definitely be interested.
G.No the massage will be terrible 😆.
If you want a decent massage and extras suggest to get a massage girl from a massage shop delivered to your hotel. You might not get extras, but chances are high you will. You often won't be offered sex, but a good cash offering and a cheeky request for boom boom can often work wonders if you put a bit of charm on.
Old And Ugly
04-28-25, 15:37
Is the massage actually any good? A strange question, I know but I love both a good deep tissue massage and won't turn back a good fuck either. However, it's rare to find both. Masseuses generally just give a tugjob and hookers can't massage for shit.
If you have another option, I'd definitely be interested.
G.It is possible, but it takes time and money. After years of trials and filtering, I have 2 masseuses in AC that are very good at both activities and look extremely good also. One is a 10, (I know is hard to believe) was 19 when we first met, now is 24, still a virgin, we do only 69 and light pussy play, it took me a lot of money, and time, about a year, to get her at ease and to trust me, it was like a side project. The second one is also very good looking, at first maybe a 9, but has to be derated to a 7 because of baby damage, the body is perfect, but below the belly button there is too much skin, probably some sort of skin removal surgery would give her a perfect body again, this one fucks like there is no tomorrow, and arches, and moves and have facial expressions just like in a porn movie, also very submissive, I used her many times in 3 somes. Both are extremely cautious and shy, always come with a facemask on, not to be recognized.
How to have someone like that on speed dial? Look far away from the Red St, those places don't offer hotel service, once you found the girl, visit her often, give good tips even if there are no extras involved, and once you have a trusty friendly relationship established, have her come to your place for massages, and without rushing it work it out further. You're not going to end up cheaper than paying a hooker, but to me is worth it, the virgin being a totally different experience than the daily AC routine, and the other one is just amazing.
Maybe in theory but I have just told the Grab driver in chat the bay I am at and he has come there.I would guess that is true. Last year, I directed my driver to come to Bay 4 in the arrivals pickup area (at NAIA Terminal One), and that is where he drove up to. Also, for the uninitiated, to get to that pickup spot, you must cross the street once outside the terminal and walk down one of two ramps that lead to the aforementioned pickup spot. You can walk down either ramp, but the one on the left will take you to Bays 4,5, or 6.
IMHO there should be a thread on how to get in and out of the airport (or all airports). It's important infor and it scattered about.
Cheers.
I would guess that is true. Last year, I directed my driver to come to Bay 4 in the arrivals pickup area (at NAIA Terminal One), and that is where he drove up to. The keywords in Doc's message are "last year. " Both Immigration and Transport Departments have undergone dramatic revisions in the past few months of 2025 so what worked last year has probably changed now. The new heads of both departments are smart and are making significant changes in the airports and in general transport arrangements in Manila.
WestCoast1
05-03-25, 07:21
The keywords in Doc's message are "last year. " Both Immigration and Transport Departments have undergone dramatic revisions in the past few months of 2025 so what worked last year has probably changed now. The new heads of both departments are smart and are making significant changes in the airports and in general transport arrangements in Manila.One of those changes* is that white taxis have been banished to the departure area, upstairs. Walk outside and be greeted by:
1) The higher-priced van services, right in front of you, which have set prices to different parts of Manila. For example, a run to Makati will probably be about p1500 ($30 USD). The price is fixed, there is no meter, and the vehicle is not a taxi. Drivers are quiet, courteous, and professional. There are touts outside directing you to these vehicles. They are a tad deceptive, and often greet you with: "Taxi sir?" You say yes and they usher you to their vans (deceptive in that they didn't lie to you, but you asked for a taxi and they directed you to a private car). You agree to the price before getting into the van. I have taken these before and have been glad they were there, even though a plain white taxi, a Grab taxi, or a yellow taxi are my usual MO. When there are long taxi lines, these vans can be invaluable. Taking a similar airport vehicle (or taxi) in my country the same 6 km could run me $50-$70. Also these vehicles are convenient, they are right in front of you, just waiting.
2) Yellow airport taxis, stationed to your right. Slightly higher in price than white taxis, but they are by law dedicated to airport pickups only. Typical taxi fare from NAIA to Makati in the yellow is p300-400. Yellow taxis rarely cause any problem by asking for extras. Just pay him the meter amount and walk away (tip as desired). You get a chit (two chits) from a booth operator before getting your yellow taxi, which has your destination on it, the driver's license plate number, and a phone number you can call if there is trouble. You keep one chit, the driver gets the other.
3) Grab booth, probably to your left as you walk out to the street. Price will be the same as a white taxi (below) + grab fee (p59 to 79, depending time of day and availability).
If you want a regular white taxi (bit cheaper than yellow), then elevator upstairs to the departure area and walk outside. White taxis for the same ride to Makati will usually be p220-280.
* Terminals 1, 2, and 3.
The keywords in Doc's message are "last year. " Both Immigration and Transport Departments have undergone dramatic revisions in the past few months of 2025 so what worked last year has probably changed now.I arrived in Terminal 1 this past Wednesday in the afternoon.
I ordered transport via the Grab App.
The App said to meet the driver on the departure level.
One of those changes* is that white taxis have been banished to the departure area, upstairs. Walk outside and be greeted by:
1) The higher-priced van services, right in front of you, which have set prices to different parts of Manila. There are touts outside directing you to these vehicles. They are a tad deceptive, and often greet you with: "Taxi sir?"
2) Yellow airport taxis, stationed to your right. Slightly higher in price than white taxis, but they are by law dedicated to airport pickups only. Typical taxi fare from NAIA to Makati in the yellow is p300-400.
3) Grab booth, probably to your left as you walk out to the street. Price will be the same as a white taxi (below) + grab fee (p59 to 79, depending time of day and availability).
If you want a regular white taxi (bit cheaper than yellow), then elevator upstairs to the departure area and walk outside. White taxis for the same ride to Makati will usually be p220-280.
Hi Westie,
It's all turned into a bit of a shit-fight at Terminal 1, mainly because there's no signage regarding taxis since the changes.
In March I walked outside expecting to get a yellow taxi to the left and they'd disappeared. Even the security guards couldn't tell me where they were.
I avoid the "Taxi Sir" vans because after a long flight I just want a few moments to get my shit together on arrival without being hassled as soon I'm out of the terminal doors.
I'm also over the white cabs as the pricks never turn their meters on, unless you demand it before your bag is placed in the back.
I do get the yellow cabs to Makati but have never got one as cheap as 400 p.
Stupid shit in the Philippines maybe? To arrive in a country and have to get transport in the departure area?
Anyway, I found that yellow taxis also depart from downstairs. When you head out of the terminal doors, politely turn down the "Taxi Sir?" touts, and walk across the road and then down the ramp. At the bottom, you'll find them.
Footnote: I always get the hotel guys to hail me a cheaper white cab back to the airport and get them to tell the driver in Tagalog to turn the meter on. No meter no fare. No meter, no tip.
_ Phil.
WestCoast1
05-03-25, 19:36
The small bluebird of happiness made a brief pass down Burgos recently. He reports that Fyre and Neon Nights are reopened, up and running. More ladies for thee, and for me.
Thanks birdie.
So far this year, I have had seven return international business flights back into Manila (4 at T1 and 3 at T3), and I ALWAYS use the yellow taxis on arrival (I use Grab to get to the airport).
No fuss. Yellow cabs are always available no matter what time of day. Just get the chit from the despatcher and away we go. I have never had a scam or attempted scam. Fare is always between 800-900 php to my condo in Ortigas and I give a blue note (Grab is almost a fixed price at 810 php from home to airport).
I read the dramas some of you have with taxis and wonder why you experience stuff that I have never had (and I have lived here for 28 years now).
WestCoast1
05-04-25, 10:44
I ALWAYS use the yellow taxis on arrival (I use Grab to get to the airport).
No fuss. Yellow cabs are always available no matter what time of day. Just get the chit from the despatcher and away we go. I have never had a scam or attempted scam. Fare is always between 800-900 php to my condo in Ortigas and I give a blue note (Grab is almost a fixed price at 810 php from home to airport).
I read the dramas some of you have with taxis and wonder why you experience stuff that I have never had (and I have lived here for 28 years now).Concur. Your success, I imagine, is to always use the more hassle-free method. I flew a few months ago and grabbed a yellow taxi (small 2-minute wait in line for me at the time). Grabbed the chit and off we went to Makati. Pleasant driver. He dropped me at my condo, helped me get my luggage to the front door, and off he went with his meter + tip. I waited in line checking in at the counter and realized I left my phone in the taxi. Ahhhhhh! I ran outside and ran in the direction he went (1-way street). I stopped after a short block and realized he was gone. I was about to grab the chit and see if there was a phone number to call for help in contacting the driver, when he pulled up along side me. He'd realized what happened and circled the block to return. He handed me the phone and I reached into my pocket to give him another tip, but he drove off. Great yellow cab experience.
In addition, I recommend those high-priced touts and their pre-fixed rate vans as you exit the airport door. While expensive, the drivers are professional, the don't get paid extra for driving more miles or more minutes. They just drop you at your destination. Yes, its $25-$30, but its also the fastest vehicle to get into (shortest distance from the airport exit doors, directly in front of you) and out of the airport. I use them on occasion when I enter the country on a long-bow flight over the pond, and am not in the mood to wait in any line or deal with errant drivers.
I believe the problem comes with white and / or Grab taxis, who get paid both per minute and per kilometer.
WestCoast1
05-10-25, 11:15
The small bluebird of happiness made a brief pass down Burgos recently. He reports that Fyre and Neon Nights are reopened, up and running. More ladies for thee, and for me.
Thanks birdie.Li'l birdie emailed me a recent evening street pic of Fyre and NN.
I ALWAYS use the yellow taxis on arrival. No fuss. Yellow cabs are always available no matter what time of day. Just get the chit from the despatcher and away we go. I have never had a scam or attempted scam.Have to agree Red. I do the same on business trips and get to my hotel in Makati knowing I'll be paying a little bit more than other dodgy options.
But hey, after a long flight, what's a few hundred Peso extra and the time involved trying to get a cheaper fare?
The only hassle recently at Terminal 1 was trying to find a yellow cab after they'd moved from just outside the terminal doors to the left.
_ Phil.
IMHO there should be a thread on how to get in and out of the airport (or all airports). It's important infor and it scattered about.
Cheers.Let's just say I have deep knowledge in this area. Leave it at that.
I HIGHLY recommend you find the Grab booth in any of the terminals and either download and use the Grab app, or have a Grab employee at the Grab booth book for you. Avoid taxis. AVOID any person who approaches you and offers transport. There are so many scammers and so many scam victims on Reddit. The airport has put out social media posts, posted signs and started public announcements to AVOID AVOID AVOID all persons who approach you for a ride but people still fall for it, every day.
Master Monger
05-10-25, 17:28
I'm not a huge fan of P. Burgos street due to the high costs related to barfines etc. There are a few massage girls hanging out on the nearby streets (such as the one leading to Handlebar). You can get what you need from them at a cheaper price. They're not as hot as the bar girls, but you can get a massage and the dirty deed for less. They'll start at 4 k but you can easily get the price down. This option is handy if you can't take someone back to your hotel and don't want the hassle of a short time hotel and freelancer. Don't expect the massage room to be luxurious though. And watch for the LBs (unless that's your thing).If the average wage in 2019 was about 15,000 a month and now it is 25,000 so an increase of 60% which is pretty impressive. Average price was 1,000 to 1,500 then which correlates to 1,600 to 2,400. Which is also overpriced as it represents 10% of the monthly wage. But 4,000 is an insulting frickin' number!
Stop Overpaying.
MM.
Giovanni Volo
05-10-25, 19:32
Hello everybody.
I start my report about Philippine street, with Makati.
Starting form the hotel one my friend suggested, Durban in Burgos area, it was cheaper (20 euros), nice, clean. Room was little and with NO windows, but ok.
Staff was very nice: receptionist collect ID card of my girl and I ask her to confirm that was a real girl (yes) and age (22).
Back to the girl. I was in Burgos before Esater, so not the best day. Friday and Saturday.
In Friday (important day for Catholic) a lot of bar was closed, but someones was open.
I explore all the bar of Burgos, both in Friday and Saturday.
The place with nicer girl was Lips, but nothing special. Really for sure nothing that have the value of a bar fine.
Then on Saturday I went to LA Cafè (I will write about in Manila section) and when I was back I see a very nice girl.
She asked 3 k for one short. I think about I agree shower before and 1 hour, to go in my hotel (not her place), and I was ready to go.
But she told after than will came also a friend (not so beautiful). I told no. She told same price for both. I understand something never work, and I told goodbye. But she follow me and accepted all my condition.
Receptionist check her, really girl and 22 year old.
In the room we do shower, with no clothes she was also more pretty.
Then ask to be pay in advance because her mamasan told so. Wan a short and she was with no clothes, I give the money.
Then and 1 k more for mamasan (I told was not the agreement, but then for 15 euros I give instead of tips (no tips after).
She was really beautiful and sex was nice. But then just would live. I asked a massage but she demand more money.
So good sex with very beatifull 22 years old perfect body girl. But all the rest was annoing, I was not happy at the end. Better will go in Angles, I write a post later in the Angel area.
I have had another booking for Durban after Angels, but I deleted it and I staid in Angels.
She was really beautiful and sex was nice. But then just would live. I asked a massage but she demand more money.
So good sex with very beautiful 22 years old perfect body girl. But all the rest was annoying, I was not happy at the end. Better will go in Angles, I write a post later in the Angel area.
I have had another booking for Durban after Angels, but I deleted it and I staid in Angels.Great reports Giovanni.
Playing the game in the Phils is definitely a learning experience and the demands for more money is never ending, like many other countries.
However, with experience, you can manage it to your benefit.
It takes more than a few visits to find out what works best for you, but you have to start somewhere like we've all done.
Enjoy the ride and don't let any negative experiences put you off the Pina pussy.
_Phil.
WestCoast1
05-15-25, 22:29
Digs in the Makati area near Burgos. Second pic is the rough map area of the first pic. Thanks to the little birdie for the aerial pic. All of these things are about a 5-7 minute walk from Burgos (depends traffic congestion on Makati Ave).
A. City Garden Hotel.
B. City Garden Grand Hotel.
C. Gramercy Residences.
D. Trump Tower.
E. Century Mall.
F. Fersal Neptune Hotel.
G. Durban St.
H. Milano, Knightsbridge and Spire Residences.
J. Makati Ave.
K. Lourdes Suites Hotel.
L. To Burgos St, 1 block.
Digs in the Makati area near Burgos. Second pic is the rough map area of the first pic. Thanks to the little birdie for the aerial pic. All of these things are about a 5-7 minute walk from Burgos (depends traffic congestion on Makati Ave).
A. City Garden Hotel.
B. City Garden Grand Hotel.
C. Gramercy Residences.
D. Trump Tower.
E. Century Mall.
F. Fersal Neptune Hotel.
G. Durban St.
H. Milano, Knightsbridge and Spire Residences.
J. Makati Ave.
K. Lourdes Suites Hotel.
L. To Burgos St, 1 block.Was your photo taken from the Citadel? It could be hotel #M if it wasn't such a dump inside. The upsides are that it's a great location, opposite the 7/11, right on Burgos, and probably the cheapest hotel in the area.
Only recommended as an overnight crash pad.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
05-16-25, 04:05
Was your photo taken from the Citadel? It could be hotel #M if it wasn't such a dump inside. The upsides are that it's a great location, opposite the 7/11, right on Burgos, and probably the cheapest hotel in the area.
Only recommended as an overnight crash pad.Not taken from the Citadel, but that's a good guess. Agree with your assessment of Citadel. It was one of the first places I stayed in Manila 2 decades ago, and my first impression of the unit was: Dated, needs a makeover! That was then, and nothing has been updated. Also the world's slowest elevators. Plan to wait in the lobby at the elevator for several minutes when you want to get up to your room (or vice versa).
Additionally I got c*ck-blocked (well, ISG-blocked) with the error warning several times this morning (over several hours) visit the site. Tried also several different VPN locations, no luck. Similar yesterday.
WestCoast1
05-16-25, 08:15
More Database errors today. Back in biz now. A pic to celebrate. Usually if you gain 70 lbs you don't like the way that feels. But in this case, I liked it a lot.
Extranjero
05-17-25, 07:00
I'm here in Makati, but not liking it at all.
I can't seem to find those slim young girls that Mdemde and WestCoast are posting here for the right price.
On PinaLove it's mostly scams, ladyboys or obese women.
P. Burgos I don't like to spend 10 k for ST.
Most nights I stay alone because I am not willing to spend more than 3 k for a freelancer online.
That's when I decided I will try the escort service ManilaCourtesans, I wanted to share my information about it:
I booked a 18 year old for 2 hours to come to my hotel.
Damage was 6 k. What I didn't like was that they told me for all the girls a condom is mandatory and not negotiable, but I read something else online. Indeed, the girl only offered covered sex and no anal.
She used too much lube so I couldn't feel anything, and for the price I paid the experience is not worth it.
Unfortunately here, the streetgirls are mostly MILF's or dirty, and I wouldn't touch them with a stick.
The young cute spinners I sometimes see are in KTV's and JTV's down in Malate but the prices are exorbitant. Can't imagine WestCoast, Goferring, Mdemde and other veterans of this forum are willing to spend that.
I am in Makati, so if someone wants to meet or hunt together, or show me a secret or two, hit me up!
I'm here in Makati, but not liking it at all.
I can't seem to find those slim young girls that Mdemde and WestCoast are posting here for the right price.
On PinaLove it's mostly scams, ladyboys or obese women.
P. Burgos I don't like to spend 10 k for ST.
Most nights I stay alone because I am not willing to spend more than 3 k for a freelancer online.
That's when I decided I will try the escort service ManilaCourtesans, I wanted to share my information about it:
I booked a 18 year old for 2 hours to come to my hotel.
Damage was 6 k. What I didn't like was that they told me for all the girls a condom is mandatory and not negotiable, but I read something else online. Indeed, the girl only offered covered sex and no anal.
She used too much lube so I couldn't feel anything, and for the price I paid the experience is not worth it.
Unfortunately here, the streetgirls are mostly MILF's or dirty, and I wouldn't touch them with a stick.
The young cute spinners I sometimes see are in KTV's and JTV's down in Malate but the prices are exorbitant. Can't imagine WestCoast, Goferring, Mdemde and other veterans of this forum are willing to spend that.
I am in Makati, so if someone wants to meet or hunt together, or show me a secret or two, hit me up!Who did you see from Manila courtesans? I've used them before with positive experience, and the convenience is good. Service is supposed to be covered, but the girls sometimes do different, especially if you don't have your own condoms with you. I'm curious who you saw. I have just a few hours when I arrive and thought about using them, but haven't decided yet. I messaged them about reserving Amie, but it's a crap shoot because no place for reviews on their girls.
I will say that your price point of 3 k for a freelancer is about the bare starting rate for a decent girl. Most are 4 k or higher that you will find online, in my experience (which isn't as much as Westie or G). In the end, it is more about convenience. The more convenient the options are (meaning the less time you spend searching or out on the ground), the more expensive it will be for you. For me, I'm not a baller, and I don't make it rain, but I also realize that most of the girls working a sales job make about 6-10 k per month. As such, 6 k may be a lot to them, but it isn't to me. I'm not rich, and I do have a budget, but I'm not going to go for vacation there and not have fun because of it, either.
I'm here in Makati, but not liking it at all.
I can't seem to find those slim young girls that Mdemde and WestCoast are posting here for the right price.
On PinaLove it's mostly scams, ladyboys or obese women.
P. Burgos I don't like to spend 10 k for ST.
Most nights I stay alone because I am not willing to spend more than 3 k for a freelancer online.
That's when I decided I will try the escort service ManilaCourtesans.
Unfortunately here, the streetgirls are mostly MILF's or dirty, and I wouldn't touch them with a stick.Hi Extra,
I really only use Makati as an arrival and departure service.
And despite not doing the bars on Burgos for talent, I've always been provided with some action.
I haven't tried Manila Courtesans but there are a few other escort websites where mandatory condom requirements aren't stipulated.
I've really only used Pina in typical non-mongering areas like Boracay and often don't have the time for it when there's opportunities just outside.
I wouldn't dismiss some of the FL's on the street though.
On my last stay in March I went outside the room for some fresh air at 1 am in the morning and had an unbelievable girl in my bed an hour later for 2 k, plus a 1 k tip when she left the next morning.
I'm catching up with her again soon.
Just my experience _ Phil.
Most nights I stay alone because I am not willing to spend more than 3 k for a freelancer online..
The young cute spinners I sometimes see are in KTV's and JTV's down in Malate but the prices are exorbitant. Can't imagine WestCoast, Goferring, Mdemde and other veterans of this forum are willing to spend that.
I am in Makati, so if someone wants to meet or hunt together, or show me a secret or two, hit me up!I'd agree that 3 k for an attractive freelancer in Makati is a touch light. My price is 4 k LT. Others may be getting it cheaper but that would be based heavily around friends and family referrals or repeat business for existing contacts.
KTVs are probably the most expensive option in Manila. It's been years since I've been in one but I could see 10 or 20 k just being the start of the night and often only includes company or talking. Stunningly beautiful girls but if you have any sort of budget, then just stay away.
Working online doesn't have to be a long drawn out process. In big cities, with lots of options, like Manila or Cebu, I can have a girl in a taxi in 30 or 60 minutes. The steps are simple: be in town, ready to go now (none of this see you next month BS); peak times are midday or after 10 pm (forget about early mornings); your profile needs to include a photo, real or not, and that your location is Makati, Malate etc; set your search radius to 10 or 15 miles; message girls directly with your intentions without being insulting; be in a hotel or condo that is easy for her to find or get to; have a budget but don't give off Cheap Charlie vibes or go without for the sake of saving P500. Don't block girls quoting 10 or 15 k today. Be firm but polite with your bid price, thank them and move on. It's not at all unusual for them to return in a couple of days agreeing to your original offer.
Have fun. G.
P.S. I should have mentioned the option of taking a hit to the budget once in a bar but then getting the girl's number for much cheaper visits off the books or on the way to work.
G.
WestCoast1
05-18-25, 04:38
The young cute spinners I sometimes see are in KTV's and JTV's down in Malate but the prices are exorbitant. Can't imagine WestCoast, Goferring, Mdemde and other veterans of this forum are willing to spend that.Good advice from Go. Not going to give you any advice here, just some thoughts regarding the scene (s). You mentioned several common approaches for Manila: Street FL, gogo bar girls, escort services, and online FL. All of these are niches in the get-a-girl-tonight system. Covid hit and changed things. Only the gogo bar scene on Burgos remains at roughly the same price point as precovid. Pre- and post-covid, most Burgos bars were around p3900 for the barfine (paid to the bar to take the girl) + morning tip of around p5000 (paid to the girl in full at the time of her departure from your residence IF she performed as agreed). Thats around p9000. Add in any drinks in the bar, and it might be around p10 k.
For all of the other said niches, the price point not only went up, it expanded. To explain by example. Precovid most Burgos streetwalkers were willing to ST for p1500-2000. Covid caused a 2 year hiatus from the game as the government shut down most everything. Post covid (adding inflation), lets say the price went up by p1000. You would think that the new prices would be 2500-3000. But it became (at least for a while) worse than that, it was p2500-4000. That's not only a 66% increase for the base price (1500 to 2500), but a 100% increase for the upper limit (2000 to 4000). That sounds nuts, right? From a percentage perspective, it is. Covid not only pushed prices up by 65-ish%, it also doubled the upper limit. So you have a healthy increase in price, and a much larger increase in the range.
The other niches were similar. And worse. Unlike some countries have systems where there is a standard price list (Germany's FKK, gogos in Thailand, termas in S America), in Phils there is no price list on the wall for you to get an accurate picture of the cost (except Burgos gogo bars, its not on the wall, but its usually standardized in every bar and across most bars, and we discuss the prices here). Worse even is that outside of the gogos, all the FL systems are questionable in what quality you get in service. You are meeting each girl for the first time, you have no idea her service energy for the price you've agreed to up front. Did you contact an agency that requires you to do something you don't want to do? Is that the agency's fault?
You left out some details for Goferring's sniffing nose. How long are you in town? Are you a 2-week warrior? If you are here for a week on your first visit, and you want value for your high-priced trip: A lot of poon, or quality looks, or quality sex -- those are all different things, do you want all three? Then FL might be questionable, and KTV's or gogos might be your only call. Can you afford that? All newbs should pay attention to this paragraph.
I would feel comfortable telling you to go to Germany for your 1-2 week visit, as its a known quantity, things are standardized, everyone has a good time for a reasonable price. Philippines is nicknamed the "Wild West of Sex" for a reason: Things are less standardized, you get ripped off sometimes (its part of the game), and its wildly fun at other times (more fun that in some of the other countries where I've been, where the sex is mechanical, or condom-ized, and there is little / no relationship with the girl.
A last thought about niches. The board used to be geared towards 2-week warriors. Since covid a lot more expats post. Having been a 2-week warrior here for over a decade, and then an expat after, I can tell you that they are 2 different worlds for mongers. Expats aren't always seeking new fresh meat (as warriors do). As a warrior, or expat, you will find that once a girl is with you the first time (or 2 x), if she likes you, she may be willing to see you regularly for a reduced price. We hear prices discussed from fellas who talked to Burgos SW or LA Cafe FL asking startlingly high amounts of money (at least at first offer), knowing that the same girl might be getting with 1 or 2 expats a week for much less. Is she p3000ST on the street? She's probably p1500 (or even less, depending) with her expats. To her, she is comfortable with them, and getting a small steady stream of money each week is better than risking getting nothing this week by staying in the street. Some of the girls I've posted in the past year are in exactly that position. Expensive gogo bar girls can fall into a similar category also. You were correct, I don't pay that much for them, but they are long-time repeats. If I was hunting fresh meat, I'd be in the same position as you.
Finally, a last option, mentioned here before. Approach your hotel security guard, tell him you are looking for a girl. He might ask you specifics (ie, her age limit). Later he will pull you aside and tell you he has someone, and he will tell you her price (say, pX,000). Of course he will expect a tip also after the ditty.
I think this is a lot of discussion that didn't help you. Having said it before, and saying it again: We are all (warriors especially) paying more since covid recovery. Hot FL will run p3-5 k for ST. That's NOT an exact range. You might get lucky at p2000. Or unlucky she won't go for less than 7000. There is no price list, and there are few hotties waiting around to smash temp warriors for a handful of centavos.
Extranjero
05-18-25, 06:51
Who did you see from Manila courtesans? I've used them before with positive experience, and the convenience is good. Service is supposed to be covered, but the girls sometimes do different, especially if you don't have your own condoms with you. I'm curious who you saw. I have just a few hours when I arrive and thought about using them, but haven't decided yet. I messaged them about reserving Amie, but it's a crap shoot because no place for reviews on their girls.I booked Amie, 18 years old. From the looks, she is indeed a stunner, but very reserved. Still very new on the job.
On my last stay in March I went outside the room for some fresh air at 1 am in the morning and had an unbelievable girl in my bed an hour later for 2 k, plus a 1 k tip when she left the next morning.Was that in Manila or a smaller province town? I think, prices in the province are much lower and you can't get away with 2 k here in Manila.
Working online doesn't have to be a long drawn out process. In big cities, with lots of options, like Manila or Cebu, I can have a girl in a taxi in 30 or 60 minutes. The steps are simple: be in town, ready to go now (none of this see you next month BS); peak times are midday or after 10 pm (forget about early mornings); your profile needs to include a photo, real or not, and that your location is Makati, Malate etc; set your search radius to 10 or 15 miles; message girls directly with your intentions without being insulting; be in a hotel or condo that is easy for her to find or get to; have a budget but don't give off Cheap Charlie vibes or go without for the sake of saving P500. Don't block girls quoting 10 or 15 k today. Be firm but polite with your bid price, thank them and move on. It's not at all unusual for them to return in a couple of days agreeing to your original offer.
Have fun. G.
P.S. I should have mentioned the option of taking a hit to the budget once in a bar but then getting the girl's number for much cheaper visits off the books or on the way to work.
G.I curated around 50+ numbers on Whatsapp. I'm pushing them hard to meet up every day, like right now, but most of them pass and scheduling something is hard because they rarely show.
While scheduling a time and date they stop responding half way. One girl I even messaged the last 7 days every day, after she agreed to meet 1 week ago, but the meetings never happened because something else had come inbetween or they just answer me days later. I couldn't find the "spontaneous one" yet.
EDIT: and just right now as I am writing a text, another girl I had made an appointment in 30 minutes just texted me: "sorry I can't come today, my cellphone broke. Let's meet tomorrow".
Usually, I have a new girl lined up for every day, but when a girl cancels, it's hard to reschedule because I have another one that I am supposed to meet the next day.
Sometimes I've encountered scams too. Lost 6000 p combined on various girls for sending them their transportation cost through GCash, then they blocked me.
On PinaLove, sharing your intentions cannot get you blocked?
Same with Thaifriendly, I always tried to get them to Line messenger first and then talk business there. Do you make your price offer in the first message?
Just yesterday, Saturday night I hit P. Burgos again.
One girl made an offer, 3900 barfine, 5000 for her, and I already spent 2100 for drinks and a lapdance. Would have taken her, but she said she would need to return to the bar in less than 2 hours but I wanted LT, so I passed.
In Maison, the waitress was cuter than any other working girl in the club. Unfortunately it is not allowed for the girls to give out their number or contact details to customers, unless I barfine them. But I can't barfine a waitress so I lucked out again. In Lips I couldn't see anything to my liking.
But man, I wish I could meet some of the waitresses from Filling Station restaurant. They are the most stunning girls I ever seen on P. Burgos.
Unlike some countries have systems where there is a standard price list (Germany's FKK, gogos in Thailand, termas in S America), in Phils there is no price list on the wall for you to get an accurate picture of the cost (except Burgos gogo bars, its not on the wall, but its usually standardized in every bar and across most bars, and we discuss the prices here). Worse even is that outside of the gogos, all the FL systems are questionable in what quality you get in service. You are meeting each girl for the first time, you have no idea her service energy for the price you've agreed to up front. Did you contact an agency that requires you to do something you don't want to do? Is that the agency's fault?
You left out some details for Goferring's sniffing nose. How long are you in town? Are you a 2-week warrior? If you are here for a week on your first visit, and you want value for your high-priced trip: A lot of poon, or quality looks, or quality sex -- those are all different things, do you want all three? Then FL might be questionable, and KTV's or gogos might be your only call. Can you afford that? All newbs should pay attention to this paragraph.
I would feel comfortable telling you to go to Germany for your 1-2 week visit, as its a known quantity, things are standardized, everyone has a good time for a reasonable price. Philippines is nicknamed the "Wild West of Sex" for a reason: Things are less standardized, you get ripped off sometimes (its part of the game), and its wildly fun at other times (more fun that in some of the other countries where I've been, where the sex is mechanical, or condom-ized, and there is little / no relationship with the girl.
A last thought about niches. The board used to be geared towards 2-week warriors. Since covid a lot more expats post. Having been a 2-week warrior here for over a decade, and then an expat after, I can tell you that they are 2 different worlds for mongers. Expats aren't always seeking new fresh meat (as warriors do). As a warrior, or expat, you will find that once a girl is with you the first time (or 2 x), if she likes you, she may be willing to see you regularly for a reduced price. We hear prices discussed from fellas who talked to Burgos SW or LA Cafe FL asking startlingly high amounts of money (at least at first offer), knowing that the same girl might be getting with 1 or 2 expats a week for much less. Is she p3000ST on the street? She's probably p1500 (or even less, depending) with her expats. To her, she is comfortable with them, and getting a small steady stream of money each week is better than risking getting nothing this week by staying in the street. Some of the girls I've posted in the past year are in exactly that position. Expensive gogo bar girls can fall into a similar category also. You were correct, I don't pay that much for them, but they are long-time repeats. If I was hunting fresh meat, I'd be in the same position as you.I remember seeing a post where it said, the base price is 1500-2000 per day or 500 p per shot, but it may be for someone deep in the province.
I know Germany very well because I go there often. But for me personally, I am more accustomed to the street scene in Colombia, where you can finish the deed on-site.
But here in the Philippines I am not a 2-week-warrior, more a 6-month-warrior hehe, I spent some time here already. So I am interested to link up with someone that is here near Metro Manila to talk strategies.
You left out some details for Goferring's sniffing nose. How long are you in town? Are you a 2-week warrior? If you are here for a week on your first visit, and you want value for your high-priced trip: A lot of poon, or quality looks, or quality sex -- those are all different things, do you want all three? Then FL might be questionable, and KTV's or gogos might be your only call. Can you afford that? All newbs should pay attention to this paragraph.
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A last thought about niches. The board used to be geared towards 2-week warriors. Since covid a lot more expats post.One category that rarely gets discussed is the XLT or good girl who is prepared to work hard to protect her investment / keep her man. WC1's post with Smart Girl Philippines' quote that they may be quiet and demure in public but will work hard in private to keep your stomach full and balls empty is very accurate. Those who are tired of bargirl rip offs or poor performance could give these girls a go. Obviously not suitable for the two day business trip but very viable for a two week millionaire rather than rolling the dice every night trying to find someone new.
I can group the best fucks I have ever had into two very distinct groups: 1/ the wild child pole dancers who were often utterly insane but great fucks while it lasted or 2/ the girls who were prim and proper but did absolutely anything requested behind closed doors and went well beyond their call of duty to keep me happy.
I'm not going to polute the Makati thread with what I'm currently paying in the provinces but if budget is a consideration this is by far the cheapest option overall and especially when $$$ vs quality is concerned.
Something to consider beyond the traditional options.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
05-18-25, 15:50
WC1's post with Smart Girl Philippines' quote that they may be quiet and demure in public but will work hard in private to keep your stomach full and balls empty is very accurate. SNIP
2/ the girls who were prim and proper but did absolutely anything requested behind closed doors and went well beyond their call of duty to keep me happy.Filipinas like turning loose the heat. Get past the shyness. Let her bring a friend on that first date, and pay for everything so she won't think you cheap. Get past the second date. Then typically a clumsy / shy first sex. Following that, you might have trouble keeping up with her. You might find that she can not only handle more times per day than you, but she might *want* more times / day. Might want to bring some bandages for your little head.
There's something about pinay, je ne sais quoi, that makes their sex a bit more vibrant.
Go, you and I should start our own advice thread. DragonSlayer had his own thread. We could call it "Westy-Go", or "Go-West Young Man", or such.
Filipinas like turning loose the heat. Girls have it drilled into them from a young age that they have to work hard to keep their man. They all have cousins and girlfriends who have Pinoy or poriner boyfriends who, often for no reason, walked out for greener pastures. Often these girls will subconsciously think it was because of something that they did (not) do. Pinas can be incredibly insecure.
There will always be a market for guys who want to point and shoot. However, this really is high risk with clock watchers, ST runners, outrageous pricing and poor performers now pretty common. The couple of dinners and polite conversation that you mentioned really can give excellent returns on the initial investment. Not to mention the free externalities: some one who has the smarts to handle travel bookings, can hold a conversation, speaks excellent English, doesn't regard a crop top and micro shorts as formal dress at dinner and doesn't draw stares and comments where ever we go.
Again, not for everyone but an option for those who are dissatisfied with the bar scene.
Enjoy. G.
Go, you and I should start our own advice thread. DragonSlayer had his own thread. We could call it "Westy-Go", or "Go-West Young Man", or such.If you are serious, then I'm in if you are. 😁.
Was that in Manila or a smaller province town? I think, prices in the province are much lower and you can't get away with 2 k here in Manila.Mate, right outside City Garden in Makati, so it is possible.
I've found if you keep in touch with your contacts on WhatsApp, and not just hit them up when you're in town, you'll have a better chance.
I'm catching up with this one again soon.
_Phil.
WestCoast1
05-19-25, 15:42
Was that in Manila or a smaller province town? I think, prices in the province are much lower and you can't get away with 2 k here in Manila.That p2000 quoted could be anywhere in Phils. P2000 might be an initial offer in the province for a hottie. Or you might strike it rich in Manila for that price (although its generally at the bottom of the ladder). Regarding a province girl getting 2000, that would generally be a kill shot for her. She might be giving quickies to pinoys for 500, and she might have an expat or 2 on the line at 1000. The situation is different.
EDIT: and just right now as I am writing a text, another girl I had made an appointment in 30 minutes just texted me: "sorry I can't come today, my cellphone broke. Let's meet tomorrow".Fickle as f*ck, aren't they? We generally discourage guys from chatting up the girls for weeks or months prior to arrival. They agree to meet, then when you arrive: Poof! They are gone. Its better to wait until a day or two before arrival, or even to wait until you are here and then announce your arrival.
On PinaLove, sharing your intentions cannot get you blocked? Same with Thaifriendly, I always tried to get them to Line messenger first and then talk business there. Do you make your price offer in the first message?Sharing your monetized intentions on any dating site can not only get you blocked by a girl, but also bumped off the site. Best to get the discussion quickly to WA or other messaging system.
I remember seeing a post where it said, the base price is 1500-2000 per day or 500 p per shot, but it may be for someone deep in the province.Would like to see that post. Usually we post what we have experienced paying. Other fellas pay more, some pay less. There is often a consensus as to what the normal range is, but you have to read the posts and do your own averaging.
Regarding a province girl getting 2000, that would generally be a kill shot for her. She might be giving quickies to pinoys for 500, and she might have an expat or 2 on the line at 1000. The situation is different....
Would like to see that post. Usually we post what we have experienced paying. Other fellas pay more, some pay less. There is often a consensus as to what the normal range is, but you have to read the posts and do your own averaging.To compare apples with apples we should be specifying the length of time with the price. 2000 is my long time price in the provinces. In reality, it's normally somewhere between 15 and 30 hours and two to multiple pops. I've met several girls that get little more than a thankyou from local guys. As an aside I also confirmed from a long term resident in the provinces that he is also paying about 1000ST for a streetwalker. That may be 500 higher if there is a minder / pump involved.
I think the 2000 per day or 500 per shot was a very specific situation that Phil had with his long term contact in Sabang. Having said that, I could see his methods and pricing translating easily to other locations.
G.
I think the 2000 per day or 500 per shot was a very specific situation that Phil had with his long term contact in Sabang. Having said that, I could see his methods and pricing translating easily to other locations.
G.Thanks G,
I have negotiated a similar price in the heart of Makati back in March.
Basically, if you head out of your hotel lobby for some 'fresh air' at 1 am in the morning and get propositioned by a hot girl without a bakla accent, then you name your price.
They can take it or leave it.
Generally a 2 k offer is accepted and you don't have to go through all the bullshit of lady drinks and bar fines etc.
And this doesn't necessarily have to be early in the morning.
Tip the doorman / security, and if the girl has ID, you're ready to go.
Obviously, you treat them well, feed them and let them stay the night with a hot shower and a 1 k tip in the morning.
Sure, you have to be careful about the security issue, but most hotels are on your side when the girl supplies her ID upon arrival.
Phil_ From vast experience.
WestCoast1
05-21-25, 06:48
Haven't posted a pic in a while. I been remiss. My bad. And quiet on the board lately. Enjoy my twiglet.
Expat American
05-21-25, 08:15
Thanks G,
I have negotiated a similar price in the heart of Makati back in March.
Basically, if you head out of your hotel lobby for some 'fresh air' at 1 am in the morning and get propositioned by a hot girl without a bakla accent, then you name your price.
They can take it or leave it.
Generally a 2 k offer is accepted and you don't have to go through all the bullshit of lady drinks and bar fines etc.
And this doesn't necessarily have to be early in the morning.
Tip the doorman / security, and if the girl has ID, you're ready to go.
Obviously, you treat them well, feed them and let them stay the night with a hot shower and a 1 k tip in the morning.
Sure, you have to be careful about the security issue, but most hotels are on your side when the girl supplies her ID upon arrival.
Phil_ From vast experience.In my last trip this year PL girl (mid 20's) was happy to accept 2 K after the deed with no discussion before hand. Another one (30's MILF) stayed the night for no cash at all. Try being a bit charming, funny and not hung up on 18 year old princess types and you can have a lot of fun. But for straight up bar girl fun Philippines has lost its charm IMO.
Fickle as f*ck, aren't they? We generally discourage guys from chatting up the girls for weeks or months prior to arrival. They agree to meet, then when you arrive: Poof! They are gone. Its better to wait until a day or two before arrival, or even to wait until you are here and then announce your arrival.1-2 days notice is absolutely the way to go. No need to juggle hundreds of contacts and cross referencing changing plans. Just work a day or so ahead.
Another technique I have is only announcing my arrival 1-2 days ahead and only to a subset of girls. Some girls will think I arrive Saturday while some other contacts don't know an arrival date for me. Then that latter group gets a message I'm arriving Tuesday, and others may not hear I've arrived until the following Saturday. These girls know if you consistently put them off for days after you arrive then they know they are in a queue and return by ranking us in their queue as well.
In my last trip this year PL girl (mid 20's) was happy to accept 2 K after the deed with no discussion before hand. Another one (30's MILF) stayed the night for no cash at all. Try being a bit charming, funny and not hung up on 18 year old princess types and you can have a lot of fun. But for straight up bar girl fun Philippines has lost its charm IMO.I have to agree Expat.
Sounds familiar.
Amazing times at a great price can be rewarding for both.
I know a lot of new guys think the bar scene is the only option, but that's not how it all works.
It just takes a little experience.
_ Phil.
Has anyone been hassled by that super agressive mature transgender? She could be female, but I think trans. She calls herself Cristine and says she is manager of a shop where you can get anything you want. She patrols the whole street but is mainly around her 'shop' location at the Makati Ave end. She follows you with relentless questions but will eventually grab you or abuse you. After shaking her off she has followed me for a long distance, well away from the strip. She's like the fucking terminator. Street girls and ladyboys scared of her. They move out her way when she approaches, even if talking to you. She has actually caused me to leave P. Burgos twice now. I'm really sick of her. Definitely a screw loose and has actually grabbed me twice now.
WestCoast1
05-27-25, 03:20
Has anyone been hassled by that super agressive mature transgender? She could be female, but I think trans. She calls herself Cristine and says she is manager of a shop where you can get anything you want. She patrols the whole street but is mainly around her 'shop' location at the Makati Ave end. She follows you with relentless questions but will eventually grab you or abuse you. After shaking her off she has followed me for a long distance, well away from the strip. She's like the fucking terminator. Street girls and ladyboys scared of her. They move out her way when she approaches, even if talking to you. She has actually caused me to leave P. Burgos twice now. I'm really sick of her. Definitely a screw loose and has actually grabbed me twice now.I was there recently. Doesn't ring any bells. Was on Burgos St most evenings for several weeks.
BTW, not sure if this was reported before, but Garrison's bar (formerly Cheers bar), located on Burgos corner Caseras St (near Citadel), has been closed for renovation for some time. The outdoor part is open for a sit-down brew, starting around 2 pm. The indoor area remains close. I don't think they are serving cooked food at this time.
Has anyone been hassled by that super agressive mature transgender? She could be female, but I think trans. She calls herself Cristine and says she is manager of a shop where you can get anything you want. She patrols the whole street but is mainly around her 'shop' location at the Makati Ave end. She follows you with relentless questions but will eventually grab you or abuse you. After shaking her off she has followed me for a long distance, well away from the strip. She's like the fucking terminator. Street girls and ladyboys scared of her. They move out her way when she approaches, even if talking to you. She has actually caused me to leave P. Burgos twice now. I'm really sick of her. Definitely a screw loose and has actually grabbed me twice now.Never seen or been grabbed by her, there fairly regularly but not as much as I used to be. I have excellent 'resting *****' face though so don't get bothered too often.
WestCoast1
06-10-25, 03:25
Well almost a week since the last Makati report (about something that might be non-existent). So, a pic of a Makati FL. This little cutie likes long walks on the beach, and a fast hard f*ck that ends in a fast hard purse-pick-me-up. Two pops for just 50% more. If staying for more than 1 pop, she likes a chicken / rice, and a shot (well, two shots) of tequila.
'Tis a good thang to send a girl off with her tummy full-o-rice and her lunchbox full of your seed. 'Tis a better thing to send her off modestly inebriated.
The flight BXU to MNL was uneventful and actually 20 minutes early. Due to the public holiday, even traffic to Makati was flowing. Stayed opposite Greenbelt 5 in Prince Plaza II, an older building but roomy and only $40 a night.
Hit Pina Love and it was totally different to the provinces with hundreds of good looking girls online and available to come over now. A few scammers gave me the opportunity to send them cash upfront for transport but not many and it was much better than in Mindanao. Selected a broke student to come over at 8. At 8:06 she is calling to announce that she's arrived. P200 for her taxi. Basic BBBJ, mish and a body that didn't press any of my buttons has me let her go home early, pay her off and send her home. My policy is always, if it's my decision or fault, then I always pay in full and eat the cost. P4000 and she is gone.
Numerous girls are offering to drop around online but I decide against it. It's been years since I've had a good look at Burgos so I'm off. No intention to barfines or run amok. Just a couple of beers and look at the changes to the street post Covid.
Spring rolls and SMLs were good at the Cantina. Across the road to Dimples. The new location has totally changed the tone of the bar. A good selection of pretty girls but all were very tame. No tits out or guys getting molested in the booths. A total change from the old bar. Selected a gorgeous 19 yo. Tall, drum tight and baby BCups. Did her best with very limited English. Told her and mama that I wasn't barfining but I'll be generous with drinks. Everyone was happy with that. Two beers for me and it's time to move on.
Dropped into most of the Gogos on the Makati Ave end and they all had a good number of customers but, again, very tame compared to yester year. Neon Lights was busy but not my scene. I didn't even order a drink. I made it clear everywhere that I wasn't barfining but most quoted low to mid 4000's and LDs were around 400.
A you turn at Makati and back up past Filling Station. A few more copy and paste gogos and one for the road at my last stop. Again, a major change from what it was at the old location. Now it's pretty cavernous so needs a lot of customers to give it atmosphere. A couple of tequila girls were pretty but the actual employees weren't on par to the other bars. The beers must have been starting to kick in as I remember being startled by the reflection in one of the mirrored pillars then realising it was me that I was looking at. But I stayed strong and didn't submit to any temptations, chatting to the mamasans, tequila girls and fending of some old 5's and 6's.
Then. They. Brought. Out. The. Pole. Dancers.
Now, I've been sober for ten years but I have to confess: My name is G and I've been addicted to pole dancers for 30 years. I spot 80 lbs of walking probable cause. 5' flat. Wearing 8" hooker heels. Covered in tramp stamps. Eyes that scream psychopath.
Oh, fuck. Relapse here we come.
It's love at first sight and she shows her affection by sharing P400 tequilas with me between dry humping me like her life depended on it. Her bikini was so uncomfortable that soon her itty bitty titties are released and are being thrust into my face. They taste wonderful. She brings my hand up and has me lightly choke her while she is grinding and I'm sucking away.
Her turn to dance comes up and she is flying throught the air, up and down the chrome pole. Arms and legs going everywhere. Her long hair flailing around. Not her first day at work.
Soon she's back and I'm at play again. Mama arrives. Would I like a private booth by the wall rather than the stand up bar table. Hell yeah. I sit and she straddling me. Her tongue is down my throat, her hand is grabbing my tool. My hand is inside her panties but she stops me, saying not allowed here. But they have VIP rooms for 5 drinks. She can do what ever I want inside. Faaark. I show immense will power and reply only drinks tonight. Genius move on my part. She continues grinding away and showing me a great time to keep me in the bar longer and the drinks flowing. They're shots but she's not being too greedy but I'm not exactly saying no either. The VIP room not an option, she gets back to work on me. More tits. More tongue down my throat. More grabbing my tool. Hands down the panties suddenly becomes allowed and a finger is in her pussy. She spins around to face away from me. My hands are roaming everywhere. Her long toned legs stand up, she bends over and her ass is in the air bouncing around inches away from my face. Eating her out there and then is too obvious. I pull her g string to the side and she backs up to be more hidden inside the booth. My hand massages her butt and my thumb finds her ass hole. No complaints. She starts swaying back and forth, backing up harder on my thumb. Nothing vicious but soon thumb fucking a strippers ass inside the open bar is added to the list of life achievements. She thrusts a few times but doesn't let it continue forever. She brings the fun to an end by turning back around to face me and straddle my hips again. Back to a face full of tits and swapping saliva.
I wise up and decide that that's enough and it's time to quit while I'm ahead. She's not allowed to give her number out in the bar so it's too blatant for her to type directly into my phone's contacts. She calls over a waitress and writes her a note. I pay the bill and get that note with the change. Whether it's real or not, who knows but it's a number to keep for when I'm back. 4 k worth of drinks and good times.
I Grab home at 5 am after 'just a quiet drink'.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
06-13-25, 04:10
Nothing vicious but soon thumb fucking a strippers ass inside the open bar is added to the list of life achievements. Wow. Great report. What bar was this?
Guys, what's the total cost for using ST options within the bars on Burgos? In my stagger around I found several that had VIP rooms, couches etc that could be used. If the bar charges, say, 5 drinks would the girl expect a substantial tip on top of that?
5 commissions wouldn't seem that attractive for the girls.
Transporter
06-14-25, 20:38
Haven't been to burgos or any bars for a long time, but when I did go to gm type clubs and there was a private / VIP room available it was pretty standard 6 drink minimum (or bottle). Never tipped the girls anything. I always told the girls that we can sample the room and if all is good I will barfine and take care of her that night. Of course by that time I had already decided that I was going to take the girl anyway so it was just an excuse to get started earlier and get a sample just in case she wasn't all that and I still had enough sober time to find a quick substitution just in case (never happened but better to be safe). However in the odd case that I decided to not BF the girl after the 6 drink room I was prepared to give the girl a tip of the cost of 3 drinks. My mindset was that if she blew my mind in the room then her tip should be the same as the cost of the 6 drinks (and if I was going to BF her then I saved that anyway), but if her performance made me change my mind about taking her out, then I should tip her 3 drinks worth of pesos. If she really bombed in the room, then no tip (other than her commissions) and I would immediately switch her out but that scenario never ever happened.
Haven't been to burgos or any bars for a long time, but when I did go to gm type clubs and there was a private / VIP room available it was pretty standard 6 drink minimum (or bottle). Never tipped the girls anything.Thanks. Just so I'm clear, did your private time include FS or was it limited to more general groping?
It was years ago but I have fucked girls on-premises on Burgos a few times and then a tip was required. I have no doubt that if I took the pole dancer back stage, then FS would have been available.
If the only cost is the drinks, then P2000 would be a bargain ST compared to the P9/10,000 for a barfine + girls fee. Even at double commission, her cut of 1200 doesn't sound terribly appealing.
I'd be keen to read more info on what the current situation is. All my experience is pretty old now.
Thanks. G.
Locamotive
06-14-25, 23:27
Thanks. Just so I'm clear, did your private time include FS or was it limited to more general groping?
It was years ago but I have fucked girls on-premises on Burgos a few times and then a tip was required. I have no doubt that if I took the pole dancer back stage, then FS would have been available.
If the only cost is the drinks, then P2000 would be a bargain ST compared to the P9/10,000 for a barfine + girls fee. Even at double commission, her cut of 1200 doesn't sound terribly appealing.
I'd be keen to read more info on what the current situation is. All my experience is pretty old now.
Thanks. G.Don't know about back in the day as I always just barfined. Lately just out of curiosity I ask about VIP rooms. Yes sir available but the cost is same as barfine, and you may do anything in there you do in your room plus whatever the girl wants. That to me seems stupid. If I'm going to pay 4 k to go in there why not just barfine in the comfort of your room. A few here mention those rooms available for a number of drinks, but they did not mention if sex or BJ's came with that price. All I visited VIP was same price as the barfine. Not sure if once you pay the fee if you decide VIP room is just not getting it and you can still take them out, unknown. Burgos over the years appears to be getting too expensive so at the moment I just deal with my regulars and the bars are just for drinks and look around.
Transporter
06-14-25, 23:39
Thanks. Just so I'm clear, did your private time include FS or was it limited to more general groping? It was years ago but I have fucked girls on-premises on Burgos a few times and then a tip was required. I have no doubt that if I took the pole dancer back stage, then FS would have been available. If the only cost is the drinks, then P2000 would be a bargain ST compared to the P9/10,000 for a barfine + girls fee. Even at double commission, her cut of 1200 doesn't sound terribly appealing. I'd be keen to read more info on what the current situation is. All my experience is pretty old now. Thanks. G.I expect what is allowed in the VIP room is up to the girl, but from my past experiences all was / is available. A few times I made a mess in there and was a bit embarrassed, but it seemed perfectly normal (had to tip the attendant, but it seemed status quo). Of course this is in the past and I assume it is a lot different now (I have no knowledge of current situation just adding info on how much I was going to tip if it was necessary). And I have never had to tip a girl out in the past, as I always ended up taking them home after. Also these experience happened in gm type clubs, not a standard burgos type of club.
MohdirFan82
06-15-25, 01:22
The problem with Gringos are they try to be friendly and think its polite to say no nicely with smile. You woudent see these Terminaters chasing ASEAN clientel.
When I am on Burgus, I look 1 time, and turn my face really serious. I don't respond to any calls, don't even look or talk.
These Terminaters runs the street, and really aggressive. You got to deny there existance.
Has anyone been hassled by that super agressive mature transgender? She could be female, but I think trans. She calls herself Cristine and says she is manager of a shop where you can get anything you want. She patrols the whole street but is mainly around her 'shop' location at the Makati Ave end. She follows you with relentless questions but will eventually grab you or abuse you. After shaking her off she has followed me for a long distance, well away from the strip. She's like the fucking terminator. Street girls and ladyboys scared of her. They move out her way when she approaches, even if talking to you. She has actually caused me to leave P. Burgos twice now. I'm really sick of her. Definitely a screw loose and has actually grabbed me twice now.
WestCoast1
06-15-25, 03:37
Also these experience happened in gm type clubs, not a standard burgos type of club.Apology, what is a GM club?
Apology, what is a GM club?I read it as Pattaya style GenleMen's clubs. I'm not aware of any in Manila but it would be interesting to hear of any of the old style Casas still running.
Cheers. G.
WestCoast1
06-19-25, 13:21
Manila. A "target-rich" environment.
Manila. A "target-rich" environment.You are the King of Manila, WC.
WestCoast1
06-19-25, 23:43
You are the King of Manila, WC.You are very astute, Sagar, with a wickedly good eye, refined tastes, and excellent forward-looking thinking.
The (soft, warm, wet) things I get myself into in Phils.
Pt. 1 - Makati.
Landed in Manila, tired as fuck. On a recommendation stayed at US Embassy Beachfront Retreat (Riviera Suites). Do not recommend. Room was dirty, poorly maintained, aircon that barely kept ahead of the heat, no tv, neighborhood is 'working class'. Fine if you just need a cheap place to crash, but otherwise pass. One positive, it is two blocks from LA Cafe. Stopped by during the day just to check it out and was offered ST for P600. Not a supermodel, but not garbage either. I passed, things to do.
Next day I moved to I'm hotel. Bit spendy but very nice. Looked at Manila Courtesans, offered 6 K all-in for two hours. Reading about the prices on P. Burgos, it seemed like a no-brainier. Very easy to arrange over whatsapp, chose Lavina. Was informed I got 2 hours, 2 shots, cover a must. Souned good. What a mistake. Arrives as expected, very small spinner (I could curl her with one hand). Seemed to want to talk a bit, and in no hurry to leave. I'm fine with giving a girl time to get comfortable. After about an hour of listening to her yap, I tried to move on to the main event. All the sudden, she is short of time and now wants to leave. Got the feeling she really didn't want to be doing this job, and I'm not into forcing it. Do not recommend MC.
I was, however, pissed and blue-balled. I decided to check out P. Burgos, probably not the best choice in my frame of mind. Ended up at Maison. Not a lot of customers for a Saturday night. Got a drink and, of course, mama is pushing the LD. I told her to back off, let me settle in. No hard feelings, mama left and several girls hung out to chat. Decided fuck it, got a few girls and mama a drink. Spend the next hour with 6 or 7 girls doing everything but PIV, chatting with mama, etc. Ended up taking three girls. One was, at best, a 5 but a freak and a spinner. One was a typical average pinay, the other was a good 7/8. There were a few other 7/8's in the bar, but I value service over looks, to a point. BF was P4800, girls were P5000 each. Spent about three hours hate-fucking the three girls, then went out for food and drinks (jusus, but I'm getting old. Can't keep up with the young girls anymore). Two of the three wanted to spend the night. Blew another load in them the next morning, and sent them off. Spent way to much, but fuckit. Going to have to rest today, and headed out to the Nang tomorrow. Stay tuned for more.
Next day I moved to I'm hotel. Bit spendy but very nice. Looked at Manila Courtesans, offered 6 K all-in for two hours. Reading about the prices on P. Burgos, it seemed like a no-brainier. Very easy to arrange over whatsapp, chose Lavina. Was informed I got 2 hours, 2 shots, cover a must. Souned good. What a mistake. Arrives as expected, very small spinner (I could curl her with one hand). Seemed to want to talk a bit, and in no hurry to leave. I'm fine with giving a girl time to get comfortable. After about an hour of listening to her yap, I tried to move on to the main event. All the sudden, she is short of time and now wants to leave. Got the feeling she really didn't want to be doing this job, and I'm not into forcing it. Do not recommend MC.
Is that really on Manila Courtesans though to be fair? Does not sound like the agency itself let you down; communication seemed to be good, they were timely and clear and sent the girl that you asked for.
Letting her yap for an hour before taking initiative is certainly a choice. As well as going along with her ploy to leave halfway through the date.
Glad the rest of the evening picked up though, even though spending 500 USD to make that happen is wild in Makati.
Pt. 1 - Makati.
Landed in Manila....Stomach bug and a hangover from the previous nights foursome had me planning to just chill today. However, one of the girls I was talking to on Tinder really wanted to meet, so I rallied. 30 why / o spinner, perfect type for me, about 5'2", maybe 100 lb soaking wet, long dark hair provincial type. Had some dinner, brought her back to the room for some fun. Banged her twice last night and once this morning. Every eager and willing to please. Being the provincial type, not much intelligent conversation, but that's ok. Her mouth was busy doing other things anyway. Woke up this morning for another round, then send her home with a grab and P4 K for her trouble. Might call her up when I'm back in MNL next month. Off to the Nang tonight, more to come hopefully. I know the gaito game, but if anyone knows any good FS massage places or bars in the Nang, drop me a line.
Is that really on Manila Courtesans though to be fair? Does not sound like the agency itself let you down; communication seemed to be good, they were timely and clear and sent the girl that you asked for.
Letting her yap for an hour before taking initiative is certainly a choice. As well as going along with her ploy to leave halfway through the date.
Glad the rest of the evening picked up though, even though spending 500 USD to make that happen is wild in Makati.To be clear, this girl was very much giving off vibes of being coerced into this job. Retired LE, and I have a pretty good read on people. Entirely possible she played me, but I haven't met too many 18 year old That have the savvy and discipline to fake it that well. My 'no recommend' isn't because I didn't get laid (if you can't get laid in Manila, you have problems). It was that they agency seemed to be pressuring girls into doing a job they don't want to do. Either way, que sara and move on.
Yea, like I said, I went a bit crazy that night. But reading here, and on a few other forums, P8000-P10000 (BF+girl) is about average for P. Burgos. Makati is stupid expensive.
Expat American
06-23-25, 14:12
To be clear, this girl was very much giving off vibes of being coerced into this job. Retired LE, and I have a pretty good read on people. Entirely possible she played me, but I haven't met too many 18 year old That have the savvy and discipline to fake it that well. My 'no recommend' isn't because I didn't get laid (if you can't get laid in Manila, you have problems). It was that they agency seemed to be pressuring girls into doing a job they don't want to do. Either way, que sara and move on.
Yea, like I said, I went a bit crazy that night. But reading here, and on a few other forums, P8000-P10000 (BF+girl) is about average for P. Burgos. Makati is stupid expensive.You shouldn't coerce any girl into having sex with you. But they also don't get to keep your fee and not have sex. Otherwise they will just keep on doing that to everyone. I would have called the agency and demanded my money back. Or at least have them send another girl. The 18 yo knew the deal. If she didn't want to be there that's fine but she can't expect to get paid while not doing anything.
WestCoast1
06-23-25, 19:32
You shouldn't coerce any girl into having sex with you. But they also don't get to keep your fee and not have sex. Otherwise they will just keep on doing that to everyone. I would have called the agency and demanded my money back. Or at least have them send another girl. The 18 yo knew the deal. If she didn't want to be there that's fine but she can't expect to get paid while not doing anything.You, good sir, are using sound logic.
OTOH, the OP is in fantasy-land, where the locals neither understand, nor use, sound (western) logic. Its quite possible that not only does she expect to get paid for doing nothing, but other pinoys might give her a high-five for her (non-western) logic.
You shouldn't coerce any girl into having sex with you. But they also don't get to keep your fee and not have sex. Otherwise they will just keep on doing that to everyone. I would have called the agency and demanded my money back. Or at least have them send another girl. The 18 yo knew the deal. If she didn't want to be there that's fine but she can't expect to get paid while not doing anything.100%.
On top of that, very few girls that are actually coerced will pull moves like that. The risk of escalation is high and the supposed coercing party would not be amused.
Far more likely to be what WestCoast1 says; a girl who knows she can get away with this from time to time (depending on customer vibe?) and stalls.
Either way, not really someone you necessarily want to fuck, but unlikely to be some poor girl being taken advantage of by a big bad agency.
My 'no recommend' isn't because I didn't get laid (if you can't get laid in Manila, you have problems). It was that they agency seemed to be pressuring girls into doing a job they don't want to do. Either way, que sara and move on.
Yea, like I said, I went a bit crazy that night. But reading here, and on a few other forums, P8000-P10000 (BF+girl) is about average for P. Burgos. Makati is stupid expensive.I doubt that MC are coercing girls. There are just too many girls who are happy to swap gash for cash for them to need to risk it.
Now, could there be a broke Mom, Dad's gambling debts or a brother with medical bills, in the background and a pretty daughter as the only way out? Most definitely.
Burgos can be both the most expensive and value for money options in town. The agogos are designed to separate short term visitors from their cash with expensive drinks, bar fines etc. P10 k is typical for a total cost to get a girl into your room. However, tits out fun for a P400 drink or a ST with some of the street urchins can represent some of the most smiles per dollar in town.
Thanks for a good warts and all report. Nice to hear all went well in the end. There is no shame in having a baller night.
Enjoy G.
WestCoast1
07-04-25, 19:21
70-lb spinner delight. Get thee to Thailand and ignore all the bad stuff you are reading about the condoms.
Senhor Bom
07-05-25, 16:37
Don't know about back in the day as I always just barfined. Lately just out of curiosity I ask about VIP rooms. Yes sir available but the cost is same as barfine, and you may do anything in there you do in your room plus whatever the girl wants. That to me seems stupid. If I'm going to pay 4 k to go in there why not just barfine in the comfort of your room. A few here mention those rooms available for a number of drinks, but they did not mention if sex or BJ's came with that price. All I visited VIP was same price as the barfine. Not sure if once you pay the fee if you decide VIP room is just not getting it and you can still take them out, unknown. Burgos over the years appears to be getting too expensive so at the moment I just deal with my regulars and the bars are just for drinks and look around.My limited experience of Burgos involved using one of those private booths for the sake of convenience. For me, it served a good purpose and perhaps different to many mongers here. The booth fee came not far away from the cost of a barfine from what I recall. When I used that private booth, I was told adamantly by the mamasan that I could not take in more than one lady at a time. I will likely try to experience the same bar again if I get the opportunity in October. I very much doubt they will agree to it, but I will see if I can rotate ladies within the same booth in the same time period. That said, I don't recall a time period for the booth ever being specified.
Hi Gents. I first started mongering in PI in the late 90's, a regular to AC, Malate, Makati. But, mostly due to the pandemic, its been near on 7 years now since I've partied in Makati.
Can someone please explain. When did a 5 K tip on top of a barfine become a thing. I mean, I used to pay 3000 for the BF and the girl's fee was included in that, and then if she gave good service would.
Give a 500 peso tip the next morning. That was the norm, going rate, so this thing of 5000 + 5000 seems bizarre. I can only think that post-covid has seen a lot of newbie mongerers coming to PI, and the girls have seized on the inexperience to raise prices, especially when they are being paid without question.
I've always preferred the FL scene, but from nightclubs and live music venues. Back in the day it was the Hard Rock and Havana Cafe in Makati for FL's. Can someone kindly tell me the best places for FL and semi-pros in Makati clubs etc these days.
Thanks in advance.
Hi Gents. I first started mongering in PI in the late 90's, a regular to AC, Malate, Makati. But, mostly due to the pandemic, its been near on 7 years now since I've partied in Makati.
Can someone please explain. When did a 5 K tip on top of a barfine become a thing. I mean, I used to pay 3000 for the BF and the girl's fee was included in that, and then if she gave good service would.
Give a 500 peso tip the next morning. That was the norm, going rate, so this thing of 5000 + 5000 seems bizarre. I can only think that post-covid has seen a lot of newbie mongerers coming to PI, and the girls have seized on the inexperience to raise prices, especially when they are being paid without question.
I've always preferred the FL scene, but from nightclubs and live music venues. Back in the day it was the Hard Rock and Havana Cafe in Makati for FL's. Can someone kindly tell me the best places for FL and semi-pros in Makati clubs etc these days.
Thanks in advance.Gee Mr Van Winkle you want a history reason for the past 7 years? Prices have gone up. "Back in the day" everything was better. LOL.
Just read the reports back 7 years and you will understand.
Hi Gents. I first started mongering in PI in the late 90's, a regular to AC, Malate, Makati. But, mostly due to the pandemic, its been near on 7 years now since I've partied in Makati.
Can someone please explain. When did a 5 K tip on top of a barfine become a thing. I mean, I used to pay 3000 for the BF and the girl's fee was included in that, and then if she gave good service would.
Give a 500 peso tip the next morning. That was the norm, going rate, so this thing of 5000 + 5000 seems bizarre. I can only think that post-covid has seen a lot of newbie mongerers coming to PI, and the girls have seized on the inexperience to raise prices, especially when they are being paid without question.
I've always preferred the FL scene, but from nightclubs and live music venues. Back in the day it was the Hard Rock and Havana Cafe in Makati for FL's. Can someone kindly tell me the best places for FL and semi-pros in Makati clubs etc these days.
Thanks in advance.I think you may be comparing apples with oranges. For decades Burgos has always had a barfine plus a tip of about the same amount. Pre COVID it was about 4+4000. Post COVID it's about 5+5000. Burgos has never been a cheap place to drink or barfine.
Cheaper options on Burgos are finding a hopefully female diamond in the rough amongst street walkers or just enjoy groping inside the bar for the price of a drink or two.
A pretty freelancer in a club is going to want 5000 plus, of course, drinks all night. Online, that can go down to 3 or 4000.
Your 3000 plus a couple of hundred might refer to AC. That's now in the 5000 range and good luck getting someone to stay after the first shot.
Enjoy. G.
*All my prices are for LT. ST can save a little but only 1 to 2000.
Axel Heyst
07-12-25, 20:03
I think you may be comparing apples with oranges. For decades Burgos has always had a barfine plus a tip of about the same amount. Pre COVID it was about 4+4000. Post COVID it's about 5+5000. Burgos has never been a cheap place to drink or barfine.
Pre PreCovid the deal in Burgos Go Go's was Barfine = 10 ladydrinks. So let's say the barfine was set at 3000 p. That means a ladydrink was 300 p. Thus a punter could take a girl out of the bar and shag her for 3000 p + 3000 p and like I said this sum included up to 10 lady drinks. The customer's drinks were added on top of this.
Then around 2018 the Go Go's started getting greedy and they started charging customers for each lady drink ordered regardless of whether the girl was ultimately barfined or not. This change thus required savvy customers to pre-negotiate with the mamasans before inviting a girl over for a drink in order to include at least 2 ladydrinks (no extra charge) with the barfine.
Of course, when this sort of pricing gets too out of touch with real market forces, it always leads to a "grey" market situation. ALL my REPEAT Makati Go Go girls from 2011 to 2019 happily came straight to my hotel cutting out the middleman ie the bar completely. They would stay 3 or 4 hours because that is the way I like it and I paid them no more than 3500 p dot dot dot for the real lookers. I am pretty sure the girls are still open to this kind of transaction, probably now more than ever. Thus, I always considered the Makati Go Go barfine, a onetime finder's fee which I am still willing to go along with, but only for girls of genuine high quality along with a friendly personality to match (if you know what I mean).
WestCoast1
07-13-25, 01:36
Can someone please explain. When did a 5 K tip on top of a barfine become a thing. I mean, I used to pay 3000 for the BF and the girl's fee was included in that, and then if she gave good service would.You might be confusing LA Cafe (freelance), or AC (no tip), with Burgos in Makati. When I arrived on the scene in the early-mid 2000's, the AC LT barfines were p1000-1500 range, no tip required. OTOH the Burgos bars were all charging a LT barfine of p2700, and each girl priced her own (pre-negotiated prior to leaving the bar with me) at 1500-2500, usually at 2000. That meant p2700 + 2000 = 4700. Burgos bars have always had a tip paid to the girl in the morning as she departed your place. The tip is in place to insure that the girl does good work and what she promised in the bar (if she doesn't, you reduce the tip).
Burgos tips increased when the bars increased the barfine to p3900 around 2010. Tips at that time increased to 3500 (fuglies) to 6000 (hotties). After covid, girlie tips in most bars have standardized to about 5000 (in addition to the p3900 barfine).
Burgos barfine amounts (p3900) and tip amounts (about p5000) have not changed with covid. They are the only set of prices that did not increase with covid. They jumped more than a decade ago when the bars raised the barfine amount from 2700 to 3900.
Pre PreCovid the deal in Burgos Go Go's was Barfine = 10 ladydrinks. So let's say the barfine was set at 3000 p. That means a ladydrink was 300 p. Thus a punter could take a girl out of the bar and shag her for 3000 p + 3000 p and like I said this sum included up to 10 lady drinks. The customer's drinks were added on top of this.
Then around 2018 the Go Go's started getting greedy and they started charging customers for each lady drink ordered regardless of whether the girl was ultimately barfined or not. This change thus required savvy customers to pre-negotiate with the mamasans before inviting a girl over for a drink in order to include at least 2 ladydrinks (no extra charge) with the barfine.
Of course, when this sort of pricing gets too out of touch with real market forces, it always leads to a "grey" market situation. ALL my REPEAT Makati Go Go girls from 2011 to 2019 happily came straight to my hotel cutting out the middleman ie the bar completely. They would stay 3 or 4 hours because that is the way I like it and I paid them no more than 3500 p dot dot dot for the real lookers. I am pretty sure the girls are still open to this kind of transaction, probably now more than ever. Thus, I always considered the Makati Go Go barfine, a onetime finder's fee which I am still willing to go along with, but only for girls of genuine high quality along with a friendly personality to match (if you know what I mean).Yes, The major difference between the low and high end bars were just the drink prices and therefore the barfines. The quieter bars would be 350/3500 while the better bars would be 390/3900. That's plus tip.
I always regarded the barfines inclusive of onsite LDs as a type of frequent flyer discount for regular customers. It wasn't widely advertised and wouldn't be given out routinely. A patron in the know would have to ask for it. A new two week warrior wouldn't even know.
Girls still do give out numbers to organise out of hours meet ups, assuming the guy is generous and not too offensive. As you said, this is normally done as a thank you at the end of a bar fine and significantly lowers the cost of subsequent sessions. This can be done in the bar too but it's frowned upon and the girls are very wary of being caught. Last month a girl wouldn't key her number into my phone but wrote it down as a note and passed it to me indirectly, via a waitress.
Of course, the one option no one has mentioned is the bars with onsite facitilites. I was only drinking last visit but was offered a VIP room for 5 drinks. I declined so have no idea what she expected for her tip. Several bars still have similar options.
Cheers. G.
During my last visit to Makati, I spent sometime with a bargirl, couple of mamasans and managers at one of the bars (starts with D). Looks like the overheads for these bars over a period of time has been going up. There is free flow money to LEs and other thug services that they employ. Managers feel that they have been done to protect us. There are eyes in the bar checking girls to see that they don't have their phones, customers don't become a nuisance and in an off case handle things quietly. I was told that there are no silly robberies or credit card thefts within the bars. Burgos seems to be seasonal but the cash that flows out needs to constant. I don't think they have good models to determine pricing, and with everything in Phillipines (which is closer to brain damaged), they jack up prices whenever they see / hear demand. With FL scene going up, bars do feel the pinch since all girls are on PL and don't show up randomly in the bar. Managing this ecosystem without deep technology is hard and this is what you get -- Prices moving only in one direction.
FuriousGeorge
07-16-25, 07:31
Every bar is different. I've had girls grab my phone and key in their facebook / whatsapp info while sitting next to me right in front of everyone in the bar, with no consequences. I also know a dude who was (reportedly) banned from a bar who got caught doing this from a bar he was a regular at, and once, and I know this first hand since I rolled with them that night, BARFINED 6 GIRLS AT THE SAME TIME FROM THAT SAME BAR one night. That bar in AC has been recently closed and I have suspicions that it was up to nefarious activities. Anyway, I still carry my custom business cards and will occasionally tuck them into their bra with 200 p as I'm leaving if we've had a drink and she's cool and hot but I'm not ready to pull the trigger. This almost always results in off-hours options.
Yes, The major difference between the low and high end bars were just the drink prices and therefore the barfines. The quieter bars would be 350/3500 while the better bars would be 390/3900. That's plus tip.
I always regarded the barfines inclusive of onsite LDs as a type of frequent flyer discount for regular customers. It wasn't widely advertised and wouldn't be given out routinely. A patron in the know would have to ask for it. A new two week warrior wouldn't even know.
Girls still do give out numbers to organise out of hours meet ups, assuming the guy is generous and not too offensive. As you said, this is normally done as a thank you at the end of a bar fine and significantly lowers the cost of subsequent sessions. This can be done in the bar too but it's frowned upon and the girls are very wary of being caught. Last month a girl wouldn't key her number into my phone but wrote it down as a note and passed it to me indirectly, via a waitress.
Of course, the one option no one has mentioned is the bars with onsite facitilites. I was only drinking last visit but was offered a VIP room for 5 drinks. I declined so have no idea what she expected for her tip. Several bars still have similar options.
Cheers. G.
Alexandra2525
07-17-25, 11:58
Wasn't sure whether to post this here or under hotels section. I haven't really been on the forum for a few months so apologies if I may have already asked this and forgotten.
I'll be making my first visit to Philippines in the nearish future and will be staying in one of the well known big hotels in Makati. I think I have lined up a threesome (MFF!) with someone via seeking. Obviously time will tell if it ever actually happens.
I've never taken two girls into a hotel. Anyone able to give some advice about how best to play this? Is it possible?
Thanks.
Old And Ugly
07-17-25, 12:49
Wasn't sure whether to post this here or under hotels section. I haven't really been on the forum for a few months so apologies if I may have already asked this and forgotten.
I'll be making my first visit to Philippines in the nearish future and will be staying in one of the well known big hotels in Makati. I think I have lined up a threesome (MFF!) with someone via seeking. Obviously time will tell if it ever actually happens.
I've never taken two girls into a hotel. Anyone able to give some advice about how best to play this? Is it possible?
Thanks.Advice about entering the hotel, or about the 3 some?
Alexandra2525
07-17-25, 15:37
Advice about entering the hotel, or about the 3 some?LOL, not about a threesome. I'll just have to learn that as I go along.
I mean about getting two girls entry into my room in a Makati / Manila hotel.
Thanks.
Old And Ugly
07-17-25, 19:06
LOL, not about a threesome. I'll just have to learn that as I go along.
I mean about getting two girls entry into my room in a Makati / Manila hotel.
Thanks.Just be nice to the staff, front desk, security and housekeeping, meaning tip them few hundred peso, and you'll be fine. Do it upon arrival, not when bringing the girls in.
You'll find instructions on initiating a 3 some step by step in a guide I wrote some time ago, maybe last year or so.
Not sure how many of you are following the mess the CEO of astronomer got himself into. Its circulating on tiktok and insta.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/astronomer-ceo-andy-byron-wife-222557843.html
I know the guy a bit. His life is in soup now. I am always concerned about what I do getting unwanted attention. The risks we all play with.
During my last visit to Makati, I spent sometime with a bargirl, couple of mamasans and managers at one of the bars (starts with D). Looks like the overheads for these bars over a period of time has been going up. There is free flow money to LEs and other thug services that they employ. Managers feel that they have been done to protect us. There are eyes in the bar checking girls to see that they don't have their phones, customers don't become a nuisance and in an off case handle things quietly. I was told that there are no silly robberies or credit card thefts within the bars. Burgos seems to be seasonal but the cash that flows out needs to constant. I don't think they have good models to determine pricing, and with everything in Phillipines (which is closer to brain damaged), they jack up prices whenever they see / hear demand. With FL scene going up, bars do feel the pinch since all girls are on PL and don't show up randomly in the bar. Managing this ecosystem without deep technology is hard and this is what you get -- Prices moving only in one direction.
Alexandra2525
07-18-25, 07:08
Just be nice to the staff, front desk, security and housekeeping, meaning tip them few hundred peso, and you'll be fine. Do it upon arrival, not when bringing the girls in.
You'll find instructions on initiating a 3 some step by step in a guide I wrote some time ago, maybe last year or so.Thanks. Yes, in other countries I always tip the doorman / security, housekeeping, bell boys etc. I must admit I have never tipped the front desk staff in a nice hotel, it never seems appropriate as I view them as higher level employees. To be honest front desk staff don't ever seem to be keeping an eye on who is coming or going anyway, that is deferred to security, bell captain etc.
In terms of the actual threesome I have made contact with two bisexual couples (FF) via seeking. Neither couple is particularly hot if I'm honest but from what I can gather they are actually real couples that are in a relationship and live together.
I've never had a threesome before and I only want to have one if the two girls are genuinely into each other, not some fake shit.
I think I may have read your guide at some point, and I've definitely read about your excellent 3 some escapades but they require more time and effort on the ground and I'll only be in Ph about a week.
Appreciate your reply, thanks.
Hi Gents. I first started mongering in PI in the late 90's, a regular to AC, Malate, Makati. But, mostly due to the pandemic, its been near on 7 years now since I've partied in Makati.
Can someone please explain. When did a 5 K tip on top of a barfine become a thing. I mean, I used to pay 3000 for the BF and the girl's fee was included in that, and then if she gave good service would.
Give a 500 peso tip the next morning. Unlike AC, Burgos girls have never gotten a portion of the barfine (in the 20+ years I have been coming to P Burgos) and have relied solely on being tipped afterward for their income (other than drinks.) So, that is why they are so adamant about getting their substantial tip after the deed.
Transporter
07-24-25, 11:22
Thanks. Yes, in other countries I always tip the doorman / security, housekeeping, bell boys etc. I must admit I have never tipped the front desk staff in a nice hotel, it never seems appropriate as I view them as higher level employees. To be honest front desk staff don't ever seem to be keeping an eye on who is coming or going anyway, that is deferred to security, bell captain etc.
A box of chocolates from the US always goes over well with the front desk.
A box of chocolates from the US always goes over well with the front desk.Ahhh, the art of tipping! Some know how to and some will never know. Mostly do it discreetly and enjoy the benefits. Enough said. Not all are believers in tipping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09VTO9RN2OI
I'm still waiting for the day I see an actual law passed in the Fils that is enforced properly in anyway shape or form.
Location: Makati, Manila, Philippines (P. Burgos Street).
A small massage shop about a minute away from the main street.
Scam: Broken Condom Payment.
Details: There are a number of women going up and down P Burgos offering massage and more, many of them ladyboys. One lady offered to take me to a massage shop about a minute away from the main street. I had seen it before as it is on the 2nd floor of a building with Massage / Spa written in neon. When I got there, a ladyboy and the woman negotiated to 3000 pesos for massage and sex. I double confirmed the woman was a woman as her companion was definitely a ladyboy. I was led to a very small room where I disrobed and laid down. The lady gave me a weak massage, but her ladyboy friend started to also massage me. I polite asked the ladyboy to leave, but he kept trying to join in. I insisted he leave and he finally stopped and left. I flipped over and the woman disrobed, talked how sex was illegal so to be quiet. She went into reverse cowgirl and I eventually came.
This is where things went bad. She suddenly said the condom broke and asked what we should do. I reached down and did feel something on the outside of the condom. In retrospect, I should have checked the condom for holes before removing it, but I just wanted to leave. She started saying she was only a student (a very old one if true) and she needed money as she might be pregnant. I told her my tubes were tied so not to worry. The ladyboy then entered and said it was my responsibility to pay for what happened. They allowed me to dress, I paid them the 3000, but they kept blocking me from leaving claiming medical expenses. On the street, she asked for 11,000 pesos to get a medical check, so I said let's go to the police. As we got closer to the street, the ladyboy started grabbing and pushing me, demanding money, then throwing my glasses on the ground. I eventually forced my way to the street and found a police stand. The lady actually came, but said I hadn't paid her yet. I was honest and said I did pay for the service and she was asking for more. Surprisingly, the woman admitted to prostitution but didn't mention the broken condom. Eventually, the police just told me to leave.
A few notes: I found a lotion bottle while I was getting dressed. I'm not positive, but I think what she did was put lotion on the condom and then claimed it broke. She didn't seem all that upset when the condom broke and I didn't actually check, so it felt very much like a scam. This whole situation has really put me off mongering, especially in the Philippines, so I'm going to take a break for now.
WestCoast1
07-31-25, 01:08
Location: Makati, Manila, Philippines (P. Burgos Street).
A small massage shop about a minute away from the main street.
Scam: Broken Condom Payment.
SNIP
A few notes: I found a lotion bottle while I was getting dressed. I'm not positive, but I think what she did was put lotion on the condom and then claimed it broke. She didn't seem all that upset when the condom broke and I didn't actually check, so it felt very much like a scam. This whole situation has really put me off mongering, especially in the Philippines, so I'm going to take a break for now.Good / informative freshman post. Sorry you got the scam. Unfortunately, and I think regulars here would agree, the occasional scam, pick-pocket, and no-shows are part of playing the game here. Scamming is not necessarily looked down upon by the locals here ("Extreme opportunism" might be a better term). You played it rather well, given the aggressiveness of the ladyboy. While the old rub-and-tug is fairly popular on Burgos, your post also points out the seediness of the operation. Don't blame you if you don't come back.
I have landed manila late at night and as suggested by many in the forum took the yellow metered cab outside the airport to the condo. I have planned my trip very early and have scheduled whom I need to sleep with while I am staying in Makati.
Day 1:
Night & Morning:
I have scheduled with a 28 why. O to meet me in the condo just when I arrived. She came on time and we entered the condo. She is totally a sub, had a great session with her. We both went out and to check few bars in the burgous. Entered into the Bottoms first. The girls in the Bottoms put up an amazing dance show. Since I am with my girl, the girls in the bar does not hit us up and disturbed us. We spent some time there fooled around then headed to Maison. Maison seems to be dull so does not care to spend time there. Headed back to the room, the show the girls put on Bottoms have spiced my mood. Had an amazing session with the girl and we dozed of. Morning I was too tired because of the travel, my girl understood that and finished me with a good sloppy BJ. We had a bath together and said goodbye to her in the morning.
Damage: 6000 PHP.
Noon:
After the girl left, I went out for the lunch and took rest for sometime. The next girl which I have scheduled messaged me that she will be coming late by 1 hour than the scheduled time. Finally she arrived. She told she was 24 why. O but looks a like old may be early 30's but still looks beautiful. Unlike the first girl she is very shy and vanilla in sex. We are done with the deed and sent her back.
Damage: 3000 PHP.
Night:
Scheduled for a date night with a 20 why. O very attractive and beautiful girl. We went to the club with some of her friends. Had a great night with booze and beautiful girl by my side. Came back room around 5 am in the morning both of us pretty drunk.
Day2 & Day3:
We woke up only late in the morning. Both of us got ready and went out for some sightseeing, lunch and dinner. It feels good to be around with a young beautiful girl.
The next day also we went out for lunch and dinner date. And whenever we are back in the condo we had a great fu*k. I need to struggle a bit to match her energy in bed.
Later in the evening she got a call from her home to come back. I send her back.
Day3 Night:
Went to Lips bar spend some time there but the girls working that night seems so dull and no one attracts or put the effort to attract.
Then again I went to bottoms. Just had a drink and came out.
While coming back home I pinged few of the saved contacts, only one returned my message and agreed to meet for the night. She came late to the condo. She is in her late 20's. The s*x was average. She seems so boring in bed. But stayed till morning. We had 2 rounds and she stepped out.
Damage: 4000 PHP.
Day 4:
This is the last day of my trip. I have scheduled with 2 girls on that day. But the weather showed no mercy to me, it rained heavily that day and both of scheduled contact I have cancelled considering their safety. Some how my return flight was not cancelled.
I have already scheduled my next trip this year end.
P.S.: A big thanks to WestCoast1, as this is my first time in the country I have asked many questions to him and he patiently gave details response for all of my queries.
Expat American
07-31-25, 11:09
Location: Makati, Manila, Philippines (P. Burgos Street).
A small massage shop about a minute away from the main street.
Scam: Broken Condom Payment.
Details: There are a number of women going up and down P Burgos offering massage and more, many of them ladyboys. One lady offered to take me to a massage shop about a minute away from the main street. I had seen it before as it is on the 2nd floor of a building with Massage / Spa written in neon. When I got there, a ladyboy and the woman negotiated to 3000 pesos for massage and sex. I double confirmed the woman was a woman as her companion was definitely a ladyboy. I was led to a very small room where I disrobed and laid down. The lady gave me a weak massage, but her ladyboy friend started to also massage me. I polite asked the ladyboy to leave, but he kept trying to join in. I insisted he leave and he finally stopped and left. I flipped over and the woman disrobed, talked how sex was illegal so to be quiet. She went into reverse cowgirl and I eventually came.
This is where things went bad. She suddenly said the condom broke and asked what we should do. I reached down and did feel something on the outside of the condom. In retrospect, I should have checked the condom for holes before removing it, but I just wanted to leave. She started saying she was only a student (a very old one if true) and she needed money as she might be pregnant. I told her my tubes were tied so not to worry. The ladyboy then entered and said it was my responsibility to pay for what happened. They allowed me to dress, I paid them the 3000, but they kept blocking me from leaving claiming medical expenses. On the street, she asked for 11,000 pesos to get a medical check, so I said let's go to the police. As we got closer to the street, the ladyboy started grabbing and pushing me, demanding money, then throwing my glasses on the ground. I eventually forced my way to the street and found a police stand. The lady actually came, but said I hadn't paid her yet. I was honest and said I did pay for the service and she was asking for more. Surprisingly, the woman admitted to prostitution but didn't mention the broken condom. Eventually, the police just told me to leave.
A few notes: I found a lotion bottle while I was getting dressed. I'm not positive, but I think what she did was put lotion on the condom and then claimed it broke. She didn't seem all that upset when the condom broke and I didn't actually check, so it felt very much like a scam. This whole situation has really put me off mongering, especially in the Philippines, so I'm going to take a break for now.Having a Ladyboy involved at any point is the biggest red flag. They are nothing but bad news in the PI. The fact that "she" even followed you into the room was confirmation. You were definitely a scam target.
Ahhh, the art of tipping! Some know how to and some will never know. Mostly do it discreetly and enjoy the benefits. Enough said. Not all are believers in tipping.Buy bags of chocolate like M&Ms to give out. They don't melt in the heat.
Oh yeah... buy all diff size bags> Keep those small bags from Halloween too
Buy bags of chocolate like M&Ms to give out. They don't melt in the heat.
Oh yeah... buy all diff size bags> Keep those small bags from Halloween tooI have to disagree with you. Thais is not a pro tip but an amateur tip imo. It amounts to 3 pesos. We are talking about tipping in PH. People are barely surviving. A cash tip is what can be used.
Besides who would want to carry around a bag of Halloween candy? Bills fit in the pocket much better.
Good / informative freshman post. Sorry you got the scam. Unfortunately, and I think regulars here would agree, the occasional scam, pick-pocket, and no-shows are part of playing the game here. Scamming is not necessarily looked down upon by the locals here ("Extreme opportunism" might be a better term). You played it rather well, given the aggressiveness of the ladyboy. While the old rub-and-tug is fairly popular on Burgos, your post also points out the seediness of the operation. Don't blame you if you don't come back.
Having a Ladyboy involved at any point is the biggest red flag. They are nothing but bad news in the PI. The fact that "she" even followed you into the room was confirmation. You were definitely a scam target.
Location: Makati, Manila, Philippines (P. Burgos Street).
There are a number of women going up and down P Burgos offering massage and more, many of them ladyboys. One lady offered to take me to a massage shop about a minute away from the main street. I had seen it before as it is on the 2nd floor of a building with Massage / Spa written in neon. When I got there, a ladyboy and the woman negotiated to 3000 pesos for massage and sex. I double confirmed the woman was a woman as her companion was definitely a ladyboy. I was led to a very small room where I disrobed and laid down. The lady gave me a weak massage, but her ladyboy friend started to also massage me. I polite asked the ladyboy to leave, but he kept trying to join in. I insisted he leave and he finally stopped and left. I flipped over and the woman disrobed, talked how sex was illegal so to be quiet. She went into reverse cowgirl and I eventually came.
This is where things went bad.Hi Steve,
Expat is definitely correct. The Bakla can be absolute see*nts. Have nothing to do with them.
I mentioned a while back in a Sabang post how one of my contacts explained exactly how they operate.
Westie also puts your experience into perspective very well.
I wouldn't discount one bad experience for you not to return.
The Phils can, and is, a great destination for fun.
We've all made mistakes, or have learnt from those experiences. Sometimes bad ones.
Move forward and enjoy!.
You won't be disappointed. Like any sport, the more you play the game, the better you get.
Just my experience _ Phil.
Transporter
08-04-25, 17:53
Like anywhere you go, there will be some good and bad. There are some good trike drivers and bad trike drivers, good taxi drivers and bad taxi drivers, good girls and bad girls, etc. The same is true for the ladyboys. In general yes I would have to agree, to avoid them as much as possible, especially if you don't have the experience in this area as one bad one can ruin your entire trip. If you run across a good bakla, he / she / they can be of a great resource. You got to figure they are out there hustling all the time, they know everybody, and they spend a lot of time out there in their craft. If they are in the same bar / scene as you are, they are in the same business that you are looking for, treat them with respect and make a friend, what's the harm in buying them a drink sharing some food, and speaking with them on the same level. Once you made a good friend with them, add them to your social media and explain what you are looking for. If you are very specific in what you are looking for, they know dozens of girls that will fit the bill and would be happy to do the leg work for you. I normally give them 500 as a finders fee to bring me something I would like. They also are a great source of information of the local girls I. E. Which ones are rumored to be bad (ripping off customers) or rumored to have "sickness" and such, and most important to me anyways which ones are new to the area. Please do not misunderstand, I do not recommend you go out looking for your own personal bakla concierge, just don't look at every bakla like they are bad people.
Old And Ugly
08-05-25, 08:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09VTO9RN2OI
I'm still waiting for the day I see an actual law passed in the Fils that is enforced properly in anyway shape or form.I hope they enforce this on Red St in AC. Did Pea have cum on her chin?
FuriousGeorge
08-05-25, 09:15
Alright let's test the limits of the forum.
I generally agree with you. Yeah, sadly, many of the bakla in AC are trouble. Years ago I made the (semi) mistake of befriending some because I'm from LOS Angeles and I have friends in that community and I try to be empathetic and not judge. But yes once you do that in AC they usually get aggressive and weird and could ruin your vacation. There are a few exceptions. This girl in the photo is a sweetheart. I just wrote her name but deleted it. You might be gay if you don't find her attractive. No I have not hooked up with her. But yes they can facilitate a lot of connections if they are not crazy (tough to find, I know). If you find a kind, legit, and friendly one, they really can hook you up with some nice (real) girls. But it's a gamble. Not for the faint hearted.
Like anywhere you go, there will be some good and bad. There are some good trike drivers and bad trike drivers, good taxi drivers and bad taxi drivers, good girls and bad girls, etc. The same is true for the ladyboys. In general yes I would have to agree, to avoid them as much as possible, especially if you don't have the experience in this area as one bad one can ruin your entire trip. If you run across a good bakla, he / she / they can be of a great resource. You got to figure they are out there hustling all the time, they know everybody, and they spend a lot of time out there in their craft. If they are in the same bar / scene as you are, they are in the same business that you are looking for, treat them with respect and make a friend, what's the harm in buying them a drink sharing some food, and speaking with them on the same level. Once you made a good friend with them, add them to your social media and explain what you are looking for. If you are very specific in what you are looking for, they know dozens of girls that will fit the bill and would be happy to do the leg work for you. I normally give them 500 as a finders fee to bring me something I would like. They also are a great source of information of the local girls I. E. Which ones are rumored to be bad (ripping off customers) or rumored to have "sickness" and such, and most important to me anyways which ones are new to the area. Please do not misunderstand, I do not recommend you go out looking for your own personal bakla concierge, just don't look at every bakla like they are bad people.
Old And Ugly
08-05-25, 09:38
Like anywhere you go, there will be some good and bad. There are some good trike drivers and bad trike drivers, good taxi drivers and bad taxi drivers, good girls and bad girls, etc. The same is true for the ladyboys. In general yes I would have to agree, to avoid them as much as possible, especially if you don't have the experience in this area as one bad one can ruin your entire trip. If you run across a good bakla, he / she / they can be of a great resource. You got to figure they are out there hustling all the time, they know everybody, and they spend a lot of time out there in their craft. If they are in the same bar / scene as you are, they are in the same business that you are looking for, treat them with respect and make a friend, what's the harm in buying them a drink sharing some food, and speaking with them on the same level. Once you made a good friend with them, add them to your social media and explain what you are looking for. If you are very specific in what you are looking for, they know dozens of girls that will fit the bill and would be happy to do the leg work for you. I normally give them 500 as a finders fee to bring me something I would like. They also are a great source of information of the local girls I. E. Which ones are rumored to be bad (ripping off customers) or rumored to have "sickness" and such, and most important to me anyways which ones are new to the area. Please do not misunderstand, I do not recommend you go out looking for your own personal bakla concierge, just don't look at every bakla like they are bad people.Did just that few years back in Panglao, was late at night only one bar open in the area, I was the only patron, the bar tender was still there only for me, despite the fact that I told him to close and leave, no pussy in sight, only 2 friendly baklas on the other side of the bar top / divider on the beach side, trying to convince me that their BJ skills are far superior compared to a woman. I explained to them that the woman factor comes first, and the skills second, and even if I would be the one getting paid, I wouldn't even consider it. It doesn't matter how attractive they are, they still men, and it may be inappropriate, but I'm homophobic and cannot control it, even if I'm forced to sit next to a man in a bus, boat, or airplane I resent any involuntary touching. I got them each a beer, because I felt that the whole explanation maybe sounded rude to them.
So after I convinced them, that I cannot possibly be a potential customer, I asked if they have any female friends that are good looking, skinny, and want to make a buck, emphasizing the fact that they may get a finders fee. One of the baklas disappeared and 10 minutes later, when I was ready to give up for the evening, came back accompanied by a beautiful petite nicely proportioned girl. I gave the boys 500 P finders fee, and got the girl at bakla price I guess, for 1,5 K LT. Even when leaving with the girl they wouldn't give up continuing to try to convince me to have 3 some or 4 some, told them that there is no difference if a girl is involved in the mix, they still men, and I don't want no dicks in close proximity, or in my mind. The girl told me that she was the cousin of one of them, and never did it for money, or with a foreigner before, the bakla cousin took her from her bed while she was sleeping, and promised her 1 K (I guess, she'll have to give him also a 500 P reverse finder's fee). Luckily she had her ID in her phone's sleeve, because after the bakla interaction, all the thoughts flying thru my head were man related, like maybe she's a petite bakla with the dick chopped off, she was 19 and female, and after the initial shyness after she got her inhibitions put aside, she got on top of me, and rode me like a savage for hours, my pelvic bone hurt for a week after the encounter. She was super noisy also, and in the late morning when she was leaving she told me that she didn't had sex for more than a year, which I believed, after witnessing the wild behavior. As usual, I forgot her name, and didn't asked for contact info, because it always feels irrelevant at the moment, and felt idiotic only on my next visit to Bohol.
This somewhat close interaction and dialog with the baklas was a first for me, and I realized that my presumption was correct, they are fucked up in the head and think that are women, or somehow will pass as women, and also think that normal men don't care where the carnal pleasure derives from. And that explains a lot about their behavior when chasing regular guys on the street, thinking that is just a matter of attractiveness, not of gender.
FuriousGeorge
08-06-25, 07:51
Ok. And?
Yes, their minds are more confused, complicated, and 'fucked up' as you say. No denying that. Probably due to social norms but who am I do figure all that out. Way beyond the extents of my artistic right-brained mind. In 100 years we'll all be dead and people will be who they are and pleasure will be pleasure. That's my guess, but who knows. Good news. We won't be here and our conditioned lizard-brain minds won't have to deal with it.
This somewhat close interaction and dialog with the baklas was a first for me, and I realized that my presumption was correct, they are fucked up in the head and think that are women, or somehow will pass as women, and also think that normal men don't care where the carnal pleasure derives from. And that explains a lot about their behavior when chasing regular guys on the street, thinking that is just a matter of attractiveness, not of gender.
Ok. And?
Yes, their minds are more confused, complicated, and 'fucked up' as you say. No denying that. Probably due to social norms but who am I do figure all that out. Way beyond the extents of my artistic right-brained mind. In 100 years we'll all be dead and people will be who they are and pleasure will be pleasure. That's my guess, but who knows. Good news. We won't be here and our conditioned lizard-brain minds won't have to deal with it.And we, low life confused complicated fucked up mongers, who think we are superior can cast aspersions on others? Who are the fucked up ones?
Location: Makati, Manila, Philippines (P. Burgos Street).
A small massage shop about a minute away from the main street.
Scam: Broken Condom Payment.
Details: There are a number of women going up and down P Burgos offering massage and more, many of them ladyboys. One lady offered to take me to a massage shop about a minute away from the main street. I had seen it before as it is on the 2nd floor of a building with Massage / Spa written in neon. When I got there, a ladyboy and the woman negotiated to 3000 pesos for massage and sex. I double confirmed the woman was a woman as her companion was definitely a ladyboy. I was led to a very small room where I disrobed and laid down. The lady gave me a weak massage, but her ladyboy friend started to also massage me. I polite asked the ladyboy to leave, but he kept trying to join in. I insisted he leave and he finally stopped and left. I flipped over and the woman disrobed, talked how sex was illegal so to be quiet. She went into reverse cowgirl and I eventually came.
This is where things went bad. She suddenly said the condom broke and asked what we should do. I reached down and did feel something on the outside of the condom. In retrospect, I should have checked the condom for holes before removing it, but I just wanted to leave. She started saying she was only a student (a very old one if true) and she needed money as she might be pregnant. I told her my tubes were tied so not to worry. The ladyboy then entered and said it was my responsibility to pay for what happened. They allowed me to dress, I paid them the 3000, but they kept blocking me from leaving claiming medical expenses. On the street, she asked for 11,000 pesos to get a medical check, so I said let's go to the police. As we got closer to the street, the ladyboy started grabbing and pushing me, demanding money, then throwing my glasses on the ground. I eventually forced my way to the street and found a police stand. The lady actually came, but said I hadn't paid her yet. I was honest and said I did pay for the service and she was asking for more. Surprisingly, the woman admitted to prostitution but didn't mention the broken condom. Eventually, the police just told me to leave.
A few notes: I found a lotion bottle while I was getting dressed. I'm not positive, but I think what she did was put lotion on the condom and then claimed it broke. She didn't seem all that upset when the condom broke and I didn't actually check, so it felt very much like a scam. This whole situation has really put me off mongering, especially in the Philippines, so I'm going to take a break for now.Happened to me awhile back. I came on the outside and didn't even have sex just a rub and tug. Well provider claimed that some had dripped near her stuff and now she needed to go to a clinic to get the morning after pill and demanded 5 K peso more. Got the same "I'm a student crap" and my mother would be disappointed. I told her I had no more, and she needed to leave. She was persistent, I got nervous and really came close to rough housing and then bigger head took over and said all I have is 3 K and you need to leave. She left. Funny, when I saw her web page shortly after she had posted pics of her in the bathroom mirror (I could see my suitcase behind her), this was right before the drama. I got scammed, but I also got more careful. Sometimes in a foreign land better to pay and leave than do something that will get you locked up abroad!
Like anywhere you go, there will be some good and bad. There are some good trike drivers and bad trike drivers, good taxi drivers and bad taxi drivers, good girls and bad girls, etc. The same is true for the ladyboys. In general yes I would have to agree, to avoid them as much as possible, especially if you don't have the experience in this area as one bad one can ruin your entire trip. If you run across a good bakla, he / she / they can be of a great resource. You got to figure they are out there hustling all the time, they know everybody, and they spend a lot of time out there in their craft. If they are in the same bar / scene as you are, they are in the same business that you are looking for, treat them with respect and make a friend, what's the harm in buying them a drink sharing some food, and speaking with them on the same level. Once you made a good friend with them, add them to your social media and explain what you are looking for. If you are very specific in what you are looking for, they know dozens of girls that will fit the bill and would be happy to do the leg work for you. I normally give them 500 as a finders fee to bring me something I would like. They also are a great source of information of the local girls I. E. Which ones are rumored to be bad (ripping off customers) or rumored to have "sickness" and such, and most important to me anyways which ones are new to the area. Please do not misunderstand, I do not recommend you go out looking for your own personal bakla concierge, just don't look at every bakla like they are bad people.I picked up a lady at last call from a bar and as we got in taxi a ladyboy jumped in. She said that was her friend and he needed a place to stay and he wouldn't bother us. I declined. Once taxi got me to my hotel, I paid him the fare to take her and ladyboy back to Makati and said good night. She asked about her tip and I said the taxi ride home. I wasn't about to be locked in a room with her and her ladyboy friend. Now if that is your type of thing, more power to you. Just not me. Also never understood how some believe if we act like Mikey from the old cereal commercial and just "Try it, you'll like it" is fair game, yet if I say I want to take you some where to "pray away the gay" they say it can't be done, they are born that way. Well if you born gay fine. If you are born heterosexual and only like the opposite sex, then we should be afforded the same courtesy.
Happened to me awhile back. I came on the outside and didn't even have sex just a rub and tug. Well provider claimed that some had dripped near her stuff and now she needed to go to a clinic to get the morning after pill and demanded 5 K peso more. Got the same "I'm a student crap" and my mother would be disappointed. I told her I had no more, and she needed to leave. She was persistent, I got nervous and really came close to rough housing and then bigger head took over and said all I have is 3 K and you need to leave. She left. Funny, when I saw her web page shortly after she had posted pics of her in the bathroom mirror (I could see my suitcase behind her), this was right before the drama. I got scammed, but I also got more careful. Sometimes in a foreign land better to pay and leave than do something that will get you locked up abroad!Just like everything else, you factor in an acceptable loss and move on. Nothing here to ruin a visit and not to return.
Old And Ugly
08-06-25, 22:52
Ok. And?
Yes, their minds are more confused, complicated, and 'fucked up' as you say. No denying that. Probably due to social norms but who am I do figure all that out. Way beyond the extents of my artistic right-brained mind. In 100 years we'll all be dead and people will be who they are and pleasure will be pleasure. That's my guess, but who knows. Good news. We won't be here and our conditioned lizard-brain minds won't have to deal with it.And that's my take on them, I don't have a problem with the LBs, as long as they don't have a problem with me not wanting to mix with them. It's their life, and they can do whatever they want with it, just like I do with mine.
A couple of visits in Makati. First time I stayed a weekend in City garden grand. Nice hotel anyway. I finally agreed to meet a Tinder / Whats app girl maybe around 25. Not the best looking but seemed nice so I promised her 3000, alot down from her 5000-6000 she asked first. Couldn't finish with condom so removed it as for her it was all the time "whatever makes you hottest". Still couldn't finish so we did it by hands, her and at the end mine. Disappointment of course but she keeps sending pictures of her "student" friend asking for 5000. She looks to have a better body but 5000 no but I think she already down to 3000-4000 if meet her next time.
Then next day met a local girl I know from last time, no money involved never, she is older maybe 40 and has many kids 2-4 and now she can't have kids anymore for some reason she told me last year. Well again I finished inside her like last year so no problem. She used to work 7 Eleven night shifts, also video called me there but now had a new job. Looking for a relationship but I was not feeling too serious with her so didn't meet her after lunch sex. After lucnch sex I ended up in a headache so couldn't finish. I have medication for my blood pressure but I think this is neck tension headache or something just before coming I think nothing serious, sometimes happens.
Next week I stayed in St Giles. Okay for the price but getting run down. Air con was stuck at the coldest level so I got sick with the flu so didn't meet girls really. Went to only Cubana and Jose cuervo many times and some burger place on Burgos. Met a local girl I know and went to drink with her. Didn't feel like sex. She would like a husband and her mom is pushing her she in 35 and no kids. So she would want me but I don't know. We were just drinking in Handle bar. Some English or Irish guy wasted but okay, they were almost fighting somebody but I got along okay.
I headed to Iloilo with my friend to meet a 22-year-old criminology student at the mall. She came with her friend. We had pizza and sent her home. Very shy but we are in contact. She is interested and me too. I'm 48 by the way. She is young and shy but not ask for money type. Never happened so I keep chatting her.
Makati was good, had an escape room game with my friend (too hot inside), great food and restaurants and bars despite getting sick. Except went to the Century city mall always nice to walk from St Giles there but coming back some kids tried to rob me in between the mall and City garden grand. One kid said "Hello sir" behind and when I look back an other tried to put his hand in my front pocket. Never happened before but I said "No" and my wallet or phone was deep and they ran away but maybe have to consider that too? At least behind a zipper or button pocket but that's is just a such a short distance from City garden grand to the mall but that small street area there. Maybe it not safe to walk?
Years back I had save a massage flyer and one night around 11 pm I wanted a room massage. I texted the number on the flyer but the one girl wasn't available but they would send someone else. The one that arrived was small 4' 9" feminine looking in sweats so I couldn't really get a good look at her bodily. Her voice squeaked a little. I was a little concerned she might be a LB. But I was really interested in a massage so I wasn't too concerned. After a good firm massage on my stomach she asked me to turn over. 15 minutes into the massage on my back she says to me "I have a surprise for you" and grabs my hand and places it into her crotch. I thought for sure she was a LD and was going to shit right there in the bed. Lo and behold there was the nicest softest poon I laid my fingers on. It was dry and as I slowly fingered her it got so wet. Off came her top to reveal beautiful be cups. Still half asleep from the massage she straddled me to a great wet finish.
The other occasion was at a NAIA airport hotel during the free breakfast. I had just send my girl of 3 days of fuxking off to the airport. As I sat by myself in the dining room I noticed one beautiful girl walk in by herself. She checked in to the desk for breakfast so I knew she was a hotel guest. As we were going down the buffet I said Hi to her and then asked if she was dining by herself? Yes, she said so I invited her to my table. This girl was beautiful, 5' 6" with see cups. She said she was a model. Which was believable. So beautiful I thought she could have been a LB. She had swimmers shoulders and a good poise. About 23 years old. But small wrist and feet! After some discussion we agreed she would stop by my room after eating. BTW, I had a flight to catch in 3 hours. She also had this voice that could have been a LB. Once in the room her Model attitude started, why only 5 k, I usually get 10 times that and on and on. No 100% convinced she was a LB, I said let's get down to business, show me your pusxy! Low and behold one of the most beautiful poon I have seen. I slowly fingered it and it started dripping wet as she cum in 2 minutes. Then the rules came from the model, condom and no licking and on and on. Hearing condom and after 3 days of my other girl, sadly I could not rise to the occasion. But for me a few minutes of fondling her see cups and fingering such a beauty was worth it. Regretting not doing it would have haunted me! She was stunning. Gents those are my 2 perceived encounters with LB.
BackpackBrian
08-11-25, 04:38
Yes, The major difference between the low and high end bars were just the drink prices and therefore the barfines. The quieter bars would be 350/3500 while the better bars would be 390/3900. That's plus tip.
I always regarded the barfines inclusive of onsite LDs as a type of frequent flyer discount for regular customers. It wasn't widely advertised and wouldn't be given out routinely. A patron in the know would have to ask for it. A new two week warrior wouldn't even know.
Girls still do give out numbers to organise out of hours meet ups, assuming the guy is generous and not too offensive. As you said, this is normally done as a thank you at the end of a bar fine and significantly lowers the cost of subsequent sessions. This can be done in the bar too but it's frowned upon and the girls are very wary of being caught. Last month a girl wouldn't key her number into my phone but wrote it down as a note and passed it to me indirectly, via a waitress.
Of course, the one option no one has mentioned is the bars with onsite facitilites. I was only drinking last visit but was offered a VIP room for 5 drinks. I declined so have no idea what she expected for her tip. Several bars still have similar options.
Cheers. G.I prefer on site action much more than bar fine back to the hotel. I like to keep my hotel clean, safe and seperate from P4 P.
Do you know if Lips, Marque, Bottoms, Maison, Farfasha, Dimples or any of the other strip clubs has on site action?
BackpackBrian
08-11-25, 04:54
Pt. 1 - Makati.
Landed in Manila, tired as fuck. On a recommendation stayed at US Embassy Beachfront Retreat (Riviera Suites). Do not recommend. Room was dirty, poorly maintained, aircon that barely kept ahead of the heat, no tv, neighborhood is 'working class'. Fine if you just need a cheap place to crash, but otherwise pass. One positive, it is two blocks from LA Cafe. Stopped by during the day just to check it out and was offered ST for P600. Not a supermodel, but not garbage either. I passed, things to do.
Next day I moved to I'm hotel. Bit spendy but very nice. Looked at Manila Courtesans, offered 6 K all-in for two hours. Reading about the prices on P. Burgos, it seemed like a no-brainier. Very easy to arrange over whatsapp, chose Lavina. Was informed I got 2 hours, 2 shots, cover a must. Souned good. What a mistake. Arrives as expected, very small spinner (I could curl her with one hand). Seemed to want to talk a bit, and in no hurry to leave. I'm fine with giving a girl time to get comfortable. After about an hour of listening to her yap, I tried to move on to the main event. All the sudden, she is short of time and now wants to leave. Got the feeling she really didn't want to be doing this job, and I'm not into forcing it. Do not recommend MC.
I was, however, pissed and blue-balled. I decided to check out P. Burgos, probably not the best choice in my frame of mind. Ended up at Maison. Not a lot of customers for a Saturday night. Got a drink and, of course, mama is pushing the LD. I told her to back off, let me settle in. No hard feelings, mama left and several girls hung out to chat. Decided fuck it, got a few girls and mama a drink. Spend the next hour with 6 or 7 girls doing everything but PIV, chatting with mama, etc. Ended up taking three girls. One was, at best, a 5 but a freak and a spinner. One was a typical average pinay, the other was a good 7/8. There were a few other 7/8's in the bar, but I value service over looks, to a point. BF was P4800, girls were P5000 each. Spent about three hours hate-fucking the three girls, then went out for food and drinks (jusus, but I'm getting old. Can't keep up with the young girls anymore). Two of the three wanted to spend the night. Blew another load in them the next morning, and sent them off. Spent way to much, but fuckit. Going to have to rest today, and headed out to the Nang tomorrow. Stay tuned for more.You said you were going to Nang, which I assume is Vietnam?
Between the Philipines and Vietnam, which one do you like better for P4 P?
BackpackBrian
08-11-25, 04:58
Apology, what is a GM club?GM = gentlemens club.
These club are in Thailand (Pattaya) and are more laid back than gogo bars and beer bars.
They are more for the ex pat and are open during the day and close pretty early (10-11 PM).
All the action is on site in rooms and the girl prices are much better than the Gogo bar prices (usually 1,200-1,500 Baht for the girl and 300-500 for the room).
My personal favorites in Pattaya are Heaven Above, Passion, and Kineree.
If you ever go to Pattaya it's worth checking out.
Old And Ugly
08-11-25, 22:12
You said you were going to Nang, which I assume is Vietnam?
Between the Philipines and Vietnam, which one do you like better for P4 P?Vietnam is Wham, bam, thank you ma'am! 1 hour in the back room, just like TH, if you're into that kind of stuff, then you'll be fine. I need my hotel room, more time, and GFE.
MrHappyKat
08-12-25, 04:30
GM = gentlemens club.
These club are in Thailand (Pattaya) and are more laid back than gogo bars and beer bars.
They are more for the ex pat and are open during the day and close pretty early (10-11 PM).
All the action is on site in rooms and the girl prices are much better than the Gogo bar prices (usually 1,200-1,500 Baht for the girl and 300-500 for the room).
My personal favorites in Pattaya are Heaven Above, Passion, and Kineree.
If you ever go to Pattaya it's worth checking out.The GC's (GM) is Pattaya are not that laid back when a bunch of drunk ex-pat Britts show up. These guys are off the hook crazy and don't mind (actually prefer) to get freaky with a girl at the tables. I was there last March. One guy was getting blown by a girl at a high-top table with 3 other guys sitting around watching. One guy had 3 women naked and taking turns sitting on his junk while he ordered more drinks. Another started feeling up and kissing a LB (yes, he knew-we all knew) while peeling her clothes off on a curved sofa. He dropped his shorts for a very visible BJ, then asked to do her anal. She demanded a condom and he covered up. What followed was about 20 minutes of jackhammer sex in her butt while at least 12 guys circled around and cheered.
Fucking crazy. Literally.
I was sitting with another girl trying to negotiate heading up to the provided rooms on the 2nd floor. But even my girl was distracted by the multiple shows. Finally the stench of sweat and stale beer was too much for me and I bailed.
Perhaps even that experience was still more tame than the bars on 6th St in Pattaya. But I realized then my future trips will not include TH again. I'm all about PH and Jakarta from now on.
Do you know if Lips, Marque, Bottoms, Maison, Farfasha, Dimples or any of the other strip clubs has on site action?A couple of the bars still have VIP rooms or onsite facilities. Not as many as before but they are there. Those that don't will at least have booths and can get pretty raucous if the drinks are flowing.
Sorry I can't detail which bars have the rooms. I'm hopeless at remembering names and associated facilities.
Enjoy. G.
Old And Ugly
08-12-25, 07:12
The GC's (GM) is Pattaya are not that laid back when a bunch of drunk ex-pat Britts show up. These guys are off the hook crazy and don't mind (actually prefer) to get freaky with a girl at the tables. I was there last March. One guy was getting blown by a girl at a high-top table with 3 other guys sitting around watching. One guy had 3 women naked and taking turns sitting on his junk while he ordered more drinks. Another started feeling up and kissing a LB (yes, he knew-we all knew) while peeling her clothes off on a curved sofa. He dropped his shorts for a very visible BJ, then asked to do her anal. She demanded a condom and he covered up. What followed was about 20 minutes of jackhammer sex in her butt while at least 12 guys circled around and cheered.
Fucking crazy. Literally.
I was sitting with another girl trying to negotiate heading up to the provided rooms on the 2nd floor. But even my girl was distracted by the multiple shows. Finally the stench of sweat and stale beer was too much for me and I bailed.
Perhaps even that experience was still more tame than the bars on 6th St in Pattaya. But I realized then my future trips will not include TH again. I'm all about PH and Jakarta from now on.What's the name of the bar?
(asking for a friend).
Went back to MNL for a bit while awaiting my flight. Stayed in the Fort this time to experience that. Went to Seda Hotel, can recommend. Very nice and no problems with visitors.
Given the responses to my last experience with Manila Courtesans, I decided to give them another try. I set up an appointment with Claire. Given my experience last time, I did not offer payment until after the deed but rather just placed it in a conspicuous spot on the desk. No problems with that. Clair was cute, tight, lovely to look at, and was open to most any (reasonable) thing to please me. However, the good stopped there. First, Claire told me she was 20, not 18 as indicated on the website. Not a big deal, but see'Mon. Girl was also a purebred starfish. Nothing to say, no grunt, groan, moan or talking. I make an effort to make our time enjoyable for the girls, and always offer DATY. This girl straight up side-eyed me and looked back at the ceiling while I'm tonsil deep in her banana basket. She was small, so I let her get on top to get comfortable, and offered lube. She starts grinding and I can feel her cervix grinding on my head, which usually either a) makes a girl say stop, or b) drives them nuts. She did neither. Stared at the headboard, looking like she was watching a particularly boring episode of Matlock. I shrugged and nutted. I was determined at this point to get some sort of human activity, so I offered to take her do dinner. She accepted. We then sat next to each other in the restaurant in awkward silence. I tried all sorts of conversation, lines, jokes, etc. Only to get the 'ole stoic face and a bored look. Finally just wished her well and sent her on the way. This is the second sub-par experience with MNLC. I won't be going back unless I have no other girls on call. Contrary to the responses to my last post, this service is either poorly managed, or is actively pimping girls who have no interest in sex work. When P. Burgos offers a better experience than your escort service, you may need to rethink your business.
For my last night, I moved back over to I'm Hotel. Not as good as Seda, but a very nice (for the Phils) place in a great location. Walked P. Burgos for a while that night. Went to Lips, and holy shit. Someone committed a war crime, they went in and beat every girl with the ugly stick. Pounded my drink while a couple of trolls massaged my dick, then broke out of there like Jerome Bettis in the red zone. Went to Neon Nights next. There were 3 girls standing on the stage (a few more in the dressing room standing around). None of them looked at me, or the other patrons in the bar. They stood on the stage staring at the wall. Not at all normal for P. Burgos, usually it's like a feeding frenzy when you walk in the door. Noped out of there pretty quick too.
Ended up at Bottom's Up next. I sat down, and the usual crowd of girls gathers around. Someone starts to massage my back and neck, and I assumed it was Mama. After a bit, Mama comes to sit with me. I twist around to see who is giving the excellent massage. It was two actual massage techs. In the club, to massage you while you choose your girls. I was impressed; I tipped them and told them to keep rubbing LOL. The girls here were actually pretty and in shape, so I talked to Mama about which I should take. She pointed out two who ". Actually like to play with each other. " I took 'them back to the room. Mama gave me a deal, barfine 1. 4 KP for both, so I agreed to give the girls 6 K each. A bit spendy, but as little Wayne said "Bandz 'a make her Dance". They gave good service, and even actually played with each other for a bit. One really got into it, if I was here longer I'd have tried to put her on payroll. Either way, 13 K for a last fling with two young hotties was worth it (pic below). Well, that's it for this year. Back to pussy prison for another nine months. Hopefully I'll have more reports (probably from Europe) next year. Good hunting, all.
You said you were going to Nang, which I assume is Vietnam?
Between the Philipines and Vietnam, which one do you like better for P4 P?Phils, no contest. But keep in mind I was in the Nang, not a P4 P hotspot. You will have to ask others how HCMC compares to the Phils.
MrHappyKat
08-12-25, 23:20
What's the name of the bar?
(asking for a friend).The Gents Clubs are loosely affiliated with each other for promotion purposes. Most participate in a daily pub crawl where a club provides a "bus" to take men on a tour of clubs in the area. I joined the Wednesday crawl and it was at one of those clubs listed where the bacchanal eventually took place. You can see the schedule here:
https://www.gentsclubs.com/maggie-mays-jomtien
Each attendee is provided a free shot at each club, and they stay about an hour at each location. By the time the group gets to the 4th or 5th club everybody is shit faced and there is not one inhibition in sight for miles around.
Hope this helps your "friend. " LOL.
FuriousGeorge
08-13-25, 06:24
Agree whole heartedly. The selling point of the Phils is that you can interview, drink, chat (they speak english), test your vibe with the girl, and then take them back to your hotel for a session of fun. Yeah it might take a little effort, but enjoy it. Some creepy backroom with a condom while she rolls her eyes is not my idea of fun. But hey that's me.
Vietnam is Wham, bam, thank you ma'am! 1 hour in the back room, just like TH, if you're into that kind of stuff, then you'll be fine. I need my hotel room, more time, and GFE.
Old And Ugly
08-13-25, 07:17
............................................................ I was determined at this point to get some sort of human activity, so I offered to take her do dinner. She accepted. We then sat next to each other in the restaurant in awkward silence. I tried all sorts of conversation, lines, jokes, etc. Only to get the 'ole stoic face and a bored look. Finally just wished her well and sent her on the way. This is the second sub-par experience with MNLC. I won't be going back unless I have no other girls on call. Contrary to the responses to my last post, this service is either poorly managed, or is actively pimping girls who have no interest in sex work. When P. Burgos offers a better experience than your escort service, you may need to rethink your business.........................
.The agency don't know the girls, they are recruited online, and the only real info is from customer feedback. Most likely is an automated service managed by some smart dude in the west. If they have an operator, it will be the same thing but with a girl trained on how to do the talk, maybe in a call center somewhere.
About dining companionship: I wrote before, is just a waste of time and you may miss other opportunities if they arise.
About dining companionship: I wrote before, is just a waste of time and you may miss other opportunities if they arise.In Random's case it's doubly pointless as it rewards poor performance.
If she fucks you around or gives the minimum service, then give her the minimum fee and kick her out. Don't try to resurrect the situation. Just cut the losses and move on.
Enjoy. G.
Old And Ugly
08-13-25, 21:33
In Random's case it's doubly pointless as it rewards poor performance.
If she fucks you around or gives the minimum service, then give her the minimum fee and kick her out. Don't try to resurrect the situation. Just cut the losses and move on.
Enjoy. G.It happened to me about 2 years ago in AC, I got these 2 girls from one of the bars in the Brown Sugar area, and what they promised didn't materialized, the phones were coming into play, and on top of that they were rubbing my dick like maniacs, thinking that I may come quicker that way. So I stopped them because I wanted to protect my assets for later use, and just I cut my loses, and sent them away, less than one hour into their LT BF. They pissed me off, and was just a waste of time.
I think they were fresh from the farm, and after talking to each other, begged me like really hard to keep them, and they will do anything I want, fearing that I'm going to report them to mamasan, and they will get sent back home.
Well, after becoming totally submissive, they performed so well, and got into each other for real, that I ended up giving them at the end a fat tip too.
We did a few hour session, then I gave them 500 P to go eat at the carinderia across the street, while I was having a recovery massage.
I was renting a place next to the Flying V gas station on Narciso, and the apartment was part of the upstairs of a massage salon, so I was taking advantage of the setup every day.
The girls came back and we had another slow lengthy 3 some, with the girls going at each other while I was napping in-between happy that I elevated their friendship to the next level.
Early in the morning around 3 AM I tipped each 1 K and let them go. I was hungry, so I walked out with them, there was this deserted K joint still open and I asked them if they want to join, and of course they did. Very strange, around 3. 30 AM the place got inundated with K and girls, I mean like 100 of them, all looking at me like I was trespassing. We ate and left, then the girls asked me to stay with me until morning because I think they were sleeping on the floor in a dorm somewhere, we went back to the massage salon, crawled under the roll up door that was closed by now, got upstairs, and we just slept until morning when they left.
This story has a bad start and a happy ending (I had to use the expression, since it happened in a massage salon).
I'm catching up with a girlfriend in Manila. She wants to go to the girly bars. Unfortunately, she won't be happy if a bargirl joins us as she gets too jealous (so really she just wants to drink with me and look at the girls (but no touch. Unfortunately). Which bar do you recommend? I'm not sure of ones where we can just together and drink, yet still have girls on stage.
WestCoast1
08-22-25, 08:42
I'm catching up with a girlfriend in Manila. She wants to go to the girly bars. Unfortunately, she won't be happy if a bargirl joins us as she gets too jealous (so really she just wants to drink with me and look at the girls (but no touch. Unfortunately). Which bar do you recommend? I'm not sure of ones where we can just together and drink, yet still have girls on stage.Any of the Burgos St gogo bars. They don't normally allow in outside unescorted ladies. However its fine if you bring in a date or wife just to watch. Your GF's drink price will be the normal (lower) price that you pay for your own drinks, not the higher gogo girl LD price. Typical beers are p160-p200 for you or your GF, and a mixed drink would be in the p300 range; but much higher if you buy one for a gogo dancer. Maison, Lips, Marquee, and V-8 bars come to mind. Have brought outside dates into most of the bars, no problems.
You can also bring an outside date into LA Cafe in Malate if you want to overwhelm your GF on a weekend night (after 10 pm, about 150-200 freelancers available). Get a seat upstairs and watch the band.
Old And Ugly
08-22-25, 21:41
I'm catching up with a girlfriend in Manila. She wants to go to the girly bars. Unfortunately, she won't be happy if a bargirl joins us as she gets too jealous (so really she just wants to drink with me and look at the girls (but no touch. Unfortunately). Which bar do you recommend? I'm not sure of ones where we can just together and drink, yet still have girls on stage.I toured all the bars with my GF and others before her, never had a problem.
I was talking to a Tinder girl 40 yo who said she has a clothes and fashion business. Wanted to meet me but said it should be in her condo and she mentioned the name of that famous condo building at a Makati mall. I was a bit scared to go and didn't. Then she gave me the Instagram of her fashion business to show that it is legit. But then again it could be anyone's IG she is giving. Was I just too paranoic? Guards downstairs and a strict condo that probably requires registration for guests it should not be a set up robbery? Right?
I was talking to a Tinder girl 40 yo who said she has a clothes and fashion business. Wanted to meet me but said it should be in her condo and she mentioned the name of that famous condo building at a Makati mall. I was a bit scared to go and didn't. Then she gave me the Instagram of her fashion business to show that it is legit. But then again it could be anyone's IG she is giving. Was I just too paranoic? Guards downstairs and a strict condo that probably requires registration for guests it should not be a set up robbery? Right?No risk no reward.
Generally a fake girl would not put down she is 40 yo. Probably would lure you in with a younger age.
Go and report back.
Old And Ugly
08-23-25, 05:23
I was talking to a Tinder girl 40 yo who said she has a clothes and fashion business. Wanted to meet me but said it should be in her condo and she mentioned the name of that famous condo building at a Makati mall. I was a bit scared to go and didn't. Then she gave me the Instagram of her fashion business to show that it is legit. But then again it could be anyone's IG she is giving. Was I just too paranoic? Guards downstairs and a strict condo that probably requires registration for guests it should not be a set up robbery? Right?While I was living in Davao also in a condo building, part of a condo complex, I had professional single ladies in their 30's and 40's as neighbors, about 5000 of them, so yes they do live alone sometimes.
A woman that's for real, and living in a decent place feels more comfortable meeting a stranger on her own turf than in a hotel room, so nothing strange there.
What can she rob from you, if you're just casually visiting? Few thousand peso from your pocket? Maybe a kidney? Don't go paranoid.
Look on Goggle maps, or even better go scoop out the place in person, find a cafe or restaurant downstairs, and meet there first, just to check her out that she's real, not a LB, has both legs, and is all there in the head.
Good luck! Let us know if she was tight, and how experienced she was.
WestCoast1
08-23-25, 05:52
I was talking to a Tinder girl 40 yo who said she has a clothes and fashion business. Wanted to meet me but said it should be in her condo and she mentioned the name of that famous condo building at a Makati mall. I was a bit scared to go and didn't. Left out of your narrative is the purpose of the meeting. Does this have something to do with a biz venture between you and the lady regarding fashion / clothes? Or alternately, is this for a nawty hookup? Or just a first date (if so, isn't any of the FOUR nearby Starbucks a better option)?
Then she gave me the Instagram of her fashion business to show that it is legit. But then again it could be anyone's IG she is giving. Was I just too paranoic? Guards downstairs and a strict condo that probably requires registration for guests it should not be a set up robbery? Right?If this is not for a nawty hookup, feel free to bring a friend.
OAU is right, meet her in the lobby (not upstairs at her place), and vid call before you go to make sure she is who you think she is. I doubt there will be any nefarious problems.
"Trust, but verify". -- Prez Ronald Reagan.
I was talking to a Tinder girl 40 yo who said she has a clothes and fashion business. Wanted to meet me but said it should be in her condo and she mentioned the name of that famous condo building at a Makati mall. I was a bit scared to go and didn't. Then she gave me the Instagram of her fashion business to show that it is legit. But then again it could be anyone's IG she is giving. Was I just too paranoic? Guards downstairs and a strict condo that probably requires registration for guests it should not be a set up robbery? Right?I'll make it unanimous. There is nothing unusual about a 40's lady having her own business and a decent income. Similarly, there is nothing unusual about her refusing to be seen stepping into a P300 short time hotel with a foreigner.
I'd have no reservations in going and just see what happens. You may be pleasantly surprised.
A general observation that it always amuses me when guys assume that all Asian girls / ladies are broke, illiterate and desperate to suck dick for their next P100. There are many who have very successful careers, normal jobs and decent families. As for being broke, HiSo girls can regard the average monger's net worth as petty change.
Enjoy. G.
If this is not for a nawty hookup, feel free to bring a friend.
Said in jest:
Is Pekka 14 years old?? If he needs a security blanket friend to go meet a girl, maybe he needs to grow a pair or even give up entirely. 🤪.
She's in her 40's so presumably he's 50+. Just be a big boy, go meet the lady and see how it goes.
Cheers. G.
While I was living in Davao also in a condo building, part of a condo complex, I had professional single ladies in their 30's and 40's as neighbors, about 5000 of them, so yes they do live alone sometimes.
A woman that's for real, and living in a decent place feels more comfortable meeting a stranger on her own turf than in a hotel room, so nothing strange there.
What can she rob from you, if you're just casually visiting? Few thousand peso from your pocket? Maybe a kidney? Don't go paranoid.
Look on Goggle maps, or even better go scoop out the place in person, find a cafe or restaurant downstairs, and meet there first, just to check her out that she's real, not a LB, has both legs, and is all there in the head.
Good luck! Let us know if she was tight, and how experienced she was.Yes reading between the lines she is expecting a hookup. Sheis pretty busty and in what's app profile had a side boob pic. It is definately not a business related meeting. I don't know anything about clothes business. Maybe only about removing her clothes LOL.
Yes she is real because she wanted to video call and we did it quicky without voice as I was a loud place but she just wanted to see me anyway. She is 40. I'm 48.
Just long time ago one American Filipina warned me about these kind of meetings. Never to go to someones room or never to invite someone directly to your room. Never know what ladyboys or robbers might be waiting. But she was overly cautious anyway. Or maybe wanted me for herself only. And / or Philippines was more dangerous 15 years ago anyway.
Yes reading between the lines she is expecting a hookup. Sheis pretty busty and in what's app profile had a side boob pic. It is definately not a business related meeting. I don't know anything about clothes business. Maybe only about removing her clothes LOL.
Yes she is real because she wanted to video call and we did it quicky without voice as I was a loud place but she just wanted to see me anyway. She is 40. I'm 48.
Just long time ago one American Filipina warned me about these kind of meetings. Never to go to someones room or never to invite someone directly to your room. Never know what ladyboys or robbers might be waiting. But she was overly cautious anyway. Or maybe wanted me for herself only. And / or Philippines was more dangerous 15 years ago anyway.Your right to be cautious but nothing in your posts screams too good to be true. More her wanting to feel comfortable.
Your friend's advice was a little too much and maybe self serving. After all, if we never go to someone's room and they never come to ours, then it's going to be a very lonely holiday.
Not sure if you are still in town but is it too late to give her a call?
Good luck. G.
Your right to be cautious but nothing in your posts screams too good to be true. More her wanting to feel comfortable.
Your friend's advice was a little too much and maybe self serving. After all, if we never go to someone's room and they never come to ours, then it's going to be a very lonely holiday.
Not sure if you are still in town but is it too late to give her a call?
Good luck. G.Thanks. Yeah I will be in town next month so I will give her a try and let you know what happened if she still replies me.
WestCoast1
08-26-25, 01:13
Thanks. Yeah I will be in town next month so I will give her a try and let you know what happened if she still replies me.If we don't hear back from you by November, we will assume the worst*. Fingers crossed.
* The worst: You married her. Smile.
WestCoast1
10-02-25, 08:23
Iron Horse gogo bar report. Was in recently. 30+ girls. 0-3 girls on stage at any time. Three whales. One had 6 girls, one had 7 girls, and the last had 8-9. He was alternating between his table and the pool table with the girls. He also likes to sing karaoke. The girls oohhh and ahhhh at his warbling, regardless the tone. Other customers walked in, then back out during my 1-hour stay, and nobody else stayed or took a seat. Not all of the whale's girls were lookers, there was at least 1 chub among each whale group. About 40% of the girls were do-able (and I'm not strict on looks). 3 hotties. That leaves about 60% not do-able. In the not do-able category, almost all of them fell just a hair short of my 'do-able' expectation. Some not do-able were a tad chubby, some not chubby but a tad too old, others had bland or not-so-good faces. None fell down to the YUCK category (points for that).
Two rum / cokes and out. Think the mixed drinks were p350. Decent dance music for any girls on stage, but not taken advantage of, just the shuffle (lose points for that). One girl went up on stage by herself and danced decently for 1 song, then she walked off into a crowd of girls. Another thought: Sometimes in IH, I see some girls in bikinis before. Perving them up is never a problem, and you can see everything. Other nights most girls are wearing some kind of corset. Its sexy (ala Madonna), but it covers a lot of midsection. A few girls are showing the midsection, but have some kind of sheer thing covering them. When I become President, I plan to 1) Bring back the bikini to IH; and 2) Build a wall*.
It could be a more vibrant place, but something seemed off. None of the whales had a girl in his lap, or his arms around a girl, nor feeling anyone up. It was just a guy buying lots of drinks for a bunch of party girls. Where's the sacred BP: Burgos Pervin'? Say it ain't so. . .
* Vote Westy, and vote often!
Iron Horse gogo bar report. Was in recently. 30+ girls. 0-3 girls on stage at any time. Three whales. One had 6 girls, one had 7 girls, and the last had 8-9. He was alternating between his table and the pool table with the girls. He also likes to sing karaoke. The girls oohhh and ahhhh at his warbling, regardless the tone. Other customers walked in, then back out during my 1-hour stay, and nobody else stayed or took a seat. Not all of the whale's girls were lookers, there was at least 1 chub among each whale group. About 40% of the girls were do-able (and I'm not strict on looks). 3 hotties. That leaves about 60% not do-able. In the not do-able category, almost all of them fell just a hair short of my 'do-able' expectation. Some not do-able were a tad chubby, some not chubby but a tad too old, others had bland or not-so-good faces. None fell down to the YUCK category (points for that).
Two rum / cokes and out. Think the mixed drinks were p350. Decent dance music for any girls on stage, but not taken advantage of, just the shuffle (lose points for that). One girl went up on stage by herself and danced decently for 1 song, then she walked off into a crowd of girls. Another thought: Sometimes in IH, I see some girls in bikinis before. Perving them up is never a problem, and you can see everything. Other nights most girls are wearing some kind of corset. Its sexy (ala Madonna), but it covers a lot of midsection. A few girls are showing the midsection, but have some kind of sheer thing covering them. When I become President, I plan to 1) Bring back the bikini to IH; and 2) Build a wall*.Well I was going to vote for Pedro but now I am voting for Wessty.
WestCoast1
10-03-25, 06:39
Well I was going to vote for Pedro but now I am voting for Wessty.On voting day, vote early. And remember to: Vote often.
WestCoast1
10-05-25, 12:02
Two rum / cokes and out. Think the mixed drinks were p350. This might not have been clear. My mixed rum / cokes were about p350 each, not a total of p350 for 2 drinks. Also those were my customer drinks, not LD.
BackpackBrian
10-06-25, 00:30
Any of the Burgos St gogo bars. They don't normally allow in outside unescorted ladies. However its fine if you bring in a date or wife just to watch. Your GF's drink price will be the normal (lower) price that you pay for your own drinks, not the higher gogo girl LD price. Typical beers are p160-p200 for you or your GF, and a mixed drink would be in the p300 range; but much higher if you buy one for a gogo dancer. Maison, Lips, Marquee, and V-8 bars come to mind. Have brought outside dates into most of the bars, no problems.
You can also bring an outside date into LA Cafe in Malate if you want to overwhelm your GF on a weekend night (after 10 pm, about 150-200 freelancers available). Get a seat upstairs and watch the band.I'll be visiting Manila for the first time and I don't want to have to do lots of leg work and walk around a lot. I just want to go to the best clubs, pick the hottest girls and bar fine them back to my hotel.
Which clubs / strip clubs / gogo bars have the hottest girls I can bar fine in Manila?
And about how much does it cost?
WestCoast1
10-06-25, 02:25
I'll be visiting Manila for the first time and I don't want to have to do lots of leg work and walk around a lot. I just want to go to the best clubs, pick the hottest girls and bar fine them back to my hotel.
Which clubs / strip clubs / gogo bars have the hottest girls I can bar fine in Manila?
And about how much does it cost?Strongly suggest you RTTF. Different fellas will have different experiences in the main places you want to go (for speed and hotness). Hottest girls are, unfortunately, mixed in with others. There is no one bar or place with 'hotties only'. Few thoughts:
LA Cafe (now called Midnight Haven) in Malate city. 100-200 ladies most nights, all freelancers. Think BKK Thermae. There are hotties in there, but they are the minority. If there are 200 girls there, you can find 10-20 hotties, all available (with negotiation).
Gogo bars in Makati (Burgos St). About a dozen gogo bars. Think of the soi's in BKK / Patts (LK Metro), but only 1 street and only a dozen bars. Some bars have a handful of girls, some have 60. My favs are Lips, Maison, and V-8. All the bars are within 200 M of each other. The gogos operate on the same principle as in BKK / Patts: Barfine paid to the bar, girls tip paid upon her departure. Total cost in most bars would be about p9,000-p10,000 ($180 USD). Should be easy to walk in, find a hottie, and hammer away. Do NOT confuse the AC barfine system (up-front barfine is all-inclusive, including tip; total is about p5000) with the Burgos barfine system (barfine about p4000 + girl's tip about p5000 + your drink tab; total is about p10,000). A last Thai / Phils comparison: 6000 bhat is about 10,700 pesos. Also don't tell anyone inside a gogo bar that its your first visit, as they might start lying and increasing the barfine amount, or the girl's tip amount, etc. , as they smell fresh blood in the water.
Online, dating sites, escort services. Plenty of hotties to be had, but it requires time and talking up-front, which you want to avoid.
One more thought: Freelancers always get paid AFTER the ditty. If a FL asks for money up front: "Money down before panty down", then turn and take your boner / cash elsewhere.
I'll be visiting Manila for the first time and I don't want to have to do lots of leg work and walk around a lot. I just want to go to the best clubs, pick the hottest girls and bar fine them back to my hotel.
Which clubs / strip clubs / gogo bars have the hottest girls I can bar fine in Manila?
And about how much does it cost?First put on your ruby slippers. Then click your heels together 3 times while saying "there's no place like this. "
If there was any one club, in any city, that was not only the best club, it had every night the best and hottest girls, you wouldn't be able to get in the door because of the crowd of men in front of you. When you did get in, you couldn't afford the bar fine or the service.
If you don't want to do the work to find what you're looking for, just go to the closest place, grab the closest girl and enjoy her. It obviously doesn't matter if she's hot or not, because you don't care enough to do the work.
BackpackBrian
10-06-25, 05:00
Strongly suggest you RTTF. Different fellas will have different experiences in the main places you want to go (for speed and hotness). Hottest girls are, unfortunately, mixed in with others. There is no one bar or place with 'hotties only'. Few thoughts:
LA Cafe (now called Midnight Haven) in Malate city. 100-200 ladies most nights, all freelancers. Think BKK Thermae. There are hotties in there, but they are the minority. If there are 200 girls there, you can find 10-20 hotties, all available (with negotiation).
Gogo bars in Makati (Burgos St). About a dozen gogo bars. Think of the soi's in BKK / Patts (LK Metro), but only 1 street and only a dozen bars. Some bars have a handful of girls, some have 60. My favs are Lips, Maison, and V-8. All the bars are within 200 M of each other. The gogos operate on the same principle as in BKK / Patts: Barfine paid to the bar, girls tip paid upon her departure. Total cost in most bars would be about p9,000-p10,000 ($180 USD). Should be easy to walk in, find a hottie, and hammer away. Do NOT confuse the AC barfine system (up-front barfine is all-inclusive, including tip; total is about p5000) with the Burgos barfine system (barfine about p4000 + girl's tip about p5000 + your drink tab; total is about p10,000). A last Thai / Phils comparison: 6000 bhat is about 10,700 pesos. Also don't tell anyone inside a gogo bar that its your first visit, as they might start lying and increasing the barfine amount, or the girl's tip amount, etc. , as they smell fresh blood in the water..OK thanks for the tips. It sounds like P. Burgos Gogo's are similar in price to Pattaya Gogo's.
I do agree, never pay a FL up front. Always pay after!
What I like to do in Bangkok and Pattaya in a Gogo bar is ask where the girl might be heading after she gets off her shift at 2-3 AM. Often times the girls head to a club to freelance and if I can find out which one, I'll head over there to pick her up! That way I can avoid the BF from the Gogo. Have you done this or know if this is possible on P. Burgos or AC?
Strongly suggest you RTTF. Different fellas will have different experiences in the main places you want to go (for speed and hotness). Hottest girls are, unfortunately, mixed in with others. There is no one bar or place with 'hotties only'.Plus what exactly constitutes the hottest girls? Ask DC and he will point in the direction of the girls with the biggest jugs. Ask me and it will be a tall, slim girl with honey chocolate skin. Another guy will recommend something totally different.
Oh, and another point: I've said a zillion times that just because a girl goes with one guy doesn't mean she will go with another and just because she rocks my world doesn't mean another won't find her a bore.
Enjoy. G.
P.S. All of my best girls have all be found by accident. Never when I've headed out in search of a wild night.
PPS. No, you can't have their numbers. 😁.
Anyone now in Makati / Manila willing to go grab a beer or some food sometimes? I'm visiting here for 10 days.
Plus what exactly constitutes the hottest girls? Oh, and another point: I've said a zillion times that just because a girl goes with one guy doesn't mean she will go with another and just because she rocks my world doesn't mean another won't find her a bore.
Enjoy. G.
P.S. All of my best girls have all be found by accident. Never when I've headed out in search of a wild night.
PPS. No, you can't have their numbers. 😁.Good points G.
I've had some fondly memorable accidents indeed.
And yes, I get asked frequently for the contact details of my contacts.
Some guys have to realize the guys on here are more than happy to offer advice, but it's not a free ride.
Sometimes you have to get off your arse / ass and do a bit of groundwork yourself.
_ Phil.
Banana Boi
10-06-25, 16:13
I'll be visiting Manila for the first time and I don't want to have to do lots of leg work and walk around a lot. I just want to go to the best clubs, pick the hottest girls and bar fine them back to my hotel.
Which clubs / strip clubs / gogo bars have the hottest girls I can bar fine in Manila?I did my first ever night on Burgos last night. I'm not sure how many there are so I'll take Westie's count of a dozen to be accurate. I did 5 bars last night if you include the one I walked in and ran out of. Total length of Burgos can't be more than 2 real blocks so you won't be walking around a lot. There are side streets too where you can find Lips and Iron Horse.
Now don't go expecting it to be Pattaya WS gogo bars. I'm sure a single top WS gogo bar has more girls than all of Burgos, at least on a slow Sunday night.
Transporter
10-06-25, 18:05
I'll be visiting Manila for the first time and I don't want to have to do lots of leg work and walk around a lot. I just want to go to the best clubs, pick the hottest girls and bar fine them back to my hotel."Best" and "hottest" I think you will have to be more specific to your requirements. If playboy ph, maxim, and mocha girls is considered the hottest, then I have found those on craigslist. Of course craigslist does not exist anymore, but the MO will probably be similar, as they will be online somewhere, I would start with MR, FB, Tele, Locanto, and all the like.
Which clubs / strip clubs / gogo bars have the hottest girls I can bar fine in Manila?If we generalize, then I think those will be found in the GM / KTV type clubs in QC, Pasay, Malate, and Paranaque, I can't speak much of gogo bars unless you are talking about the bars in makati which is not in my normal hunting grounds, these can easily be found late night by jumping in a cab and telling him exactly what you want, I. E. "strip club" and the cabbie should take you to a GM type club, or "club" and the cabbie will take you to something like ZZYZX.
And about how much does it cost?It has been a long time since I felt young enough to entertain myself in one of those clubs, but the last time I was there, the prices start at 8 K (low end). Next month I will be in the QC area, and might make a stop in dillman but that depends on my mood.
If playboy ph, maxim, and mocha girls is considered the hottest, then I have found those on craigslist. Of course craigslist does not exist anymore, but the MO will probably be similar, as they will be online somewhere, I would start with MR, FB, Tele, Locanto, and all the like.
If we generalize, then I think those will be found in the GM / KTV type clubs in QC, Pasay, Malate, and Paranaque, I can't speak much of gogo bars unless you are talking about the bars in makati which is not in my normal hunting grounds, these can easily be found late night by jumping in a cab and telling him exactly what you want, I. E. "strip club" and the cabbie should take you to a GM type club, or "club" and the cabbie will take you to something like ZZYZX.
It has been a long time since I felt young enough to entertain myself in one of those clubs, but the last time I was there, the prices start at 8 K (low end). Next month I will be in the QC area, and might make a stop in dillman but that depends on my mood.Most of the true models and high end promo girls have an active IG presence. However, expect her to be 1/ busy and 2/ very selective. These girls are drowning in offers so can be fussy. Don't expect her to jump at every offer of a quicky in a Sogo.
Hang out places included the better clubs and roof top bars rather than hard core freelancer pick up bars. Don't expect her to be desperate to find some white dick. Rich young pinoys are much more socially acceptable and are happy to drop serious cash every night.
As a guideline, my last offer was 10 k an hour but that was a while ago and she was just an IG wannabe, not a true cover girl.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
10-06-25, 23:07
Total length of Burgos can't be more than 2 real blocks so you won't be walking around a lot. There are side streets too where you can find Lips and Iron Horse.
Now don't go expecting it to be Pattaya WS gogo bars. I'm sure a single top WS gogo bar has more girls than all of Burgos, at least on a slow Sunday night.All of the items you mentioned there are available when a viewer RTTF. Did you take a girl?
Monday evenings are even slower.
Yeah Mondays are really slow. Last night I went to have a kebab and a beer for dinner close Kalayaan. Evet Köfte was the name of that small restaurant on a side street of Kalayaan. Can recommend the The Turkish meatballs and chicken shish kebab there. Damage about 400 p with a Budweiser, the bucket of six would have been 500 p.
Thought about walking back to the room through Burgos but some girls I know waved me to Cafe Cubana so I couldn't resist. Ended up having two Red horses while they finished their meals and paid their bills. One or two of them went to another table to talk to an old man and one of them continued her hunt to another bar or a club. Damage 200-300 pesos about.
Felt like shooting some pool so searched "pool bar" on Google maps. At the end of the street there seemed to be Par avion sports so went in. Wasn't a sports bar but a girlie bar with a dozen and I was the only customer all the time. Got my eyes on a slim 40+ girl not sure if she was another mama of the place or not. Probably was as all the other girls were young. She rubbed her against me and pulled down her pants and flashed her pussy and almost made me smell it LOL. Made me really horny and good I didn't have much money on me because I didn't plan to go out really that night but one Red horse had lead to another. I asked for fun about bar fine and she mentioned I think 11 k for a "VIP room" which was probably those seats nearby and their curtain. Seems like a crazy price anyway for a 3rd world country and a shithole like Manila but hey it is Burgos anyway. I didn't carry now a lot of money or credit cards as I didn't know how safe it is to walk those bit dark side streets of Kalayaan looking for that restaurant. I guess it is pretty safe? Only a couple of blocks from Burgos. I paid her drink and my beer damage maybe 700-800 p.
Found a pool games at O'Reillys pub and played with a foreigner and girls until 4 am. It isn't a sports bar really either but more a girly bar. Had many beers and bought drinks to some girls with the rest of my money. Damage about 2 k.
Walked back to the room and had a beer alone until 5. 30 am and chatted with my friends. Then slept 6 am to 12 or 1 and ordered pizza from grab with some beers and white wine.
WestCoast1
10-07-25, 14:17
Good report.
Felt like shooting some pool so searched "pool bar" on Google maps. Found a pool games at O'Reillys pub and played with a foreigner and girls until 4 am. It isn't a sports bar really either but more a girly bar. Had many beers and bought drinks to some girls with the rest of my money. Damage about 2 k.Other pool options include Iron Horse gogo bar, and Lips bar (downstairs). Also, Token Bar / Resto (see map), on Kalayaan, almost next door to the Starbucks across from Coro Hotel. Other landmarks on the map. Has 3 pool tables. Coming out of Starbucks, turn left on Kalayaan, just a few steps to the alley and its on your left. This is not a gogo bar, just a pool hall and restobar.
I asked for fun about bar fine and she mentioned I think 11 k for a "VIP room" which was probably those seats nearby and their curtain. Seems like a crazy price anyway for a 3rd world country and a shithole like Manila but hey it is Burgos anyway.Bit steep, about the price of a full barfine. Our good man Brian should pay attention.
Careful Pek, all that drinking could lead to pregnancy on Burgos. Or at least the attempt.
Good report.
Other pool options include Iron Horse gogo bar, and Lips bar (downstairs). Also, Token Bar / Resto (see map), on Kalayaan, almost next door to the Starbucks across from Coro Hotel. Other landmarks on the map. Has 3 pool tables. Coming out of Starbucks, turn left on Kalayaan, just a few steps to the alley and its on your left. This is not a gogo bar, just a pool hall and restobar.
Yeah Token bar could be a nice spot for pool. The girls at Cubana also mentioned it last night. I guess there is always someone to play against you if you go there alone. I just got used to playing pool and drinking beer in Thailand, which is full of those beer bars with pool tables. Here not so much. It is fun and 2-3 beers makes you relaxed and play better but after that, well, it is not going to work LOL.
I think Lips I have seen on Burgos somewhere. Where is that Iron horse? Also there? If you google or read reddit there are reports that some guy (s) has been drugged and robbed with a spiked drink in Iron horse but I don't know how big that risk really is.
WestCoast1
10-07-25, 22:37
I think Lips I have seen on Burgos somewhere.
Where is that Iron horse? Also there? If you google or read reddit there are reports that some guy (s) has been drugged and robbed with a spiked drink in Iron horse but I don't know how big that risk really is.Lips is on Badajos St, half a block from Burgos, across from the BelAir Soho. Iron Horse is on Caceres St, half a block from Burgos. See pics.
Found 2 articles on drugging foreigners. The first one was not in Iron Horse (The Ativan Gang):
https://mb.com.ph/2025/05/28/french-tourist-drugged-robbed-in-makati-5-ativan-gang-members-nabbed
Second article is the Reddit (IH):
https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines_Expats/comments/1myz3zf/likely_drugged_and_scammed_at_iron_horse_saloon/?rdt=50694
WestCoast1
10-08-25, 02:22
PSA. Previously reported about this street money changer on Durban St, next to Sunette Tower, behind Filling Station and across from Durban Hotel, called 'Hanady 2' (guessing there is a Hanady 1 somewhere else). A multi-purpose shop, you can also buy single cancer sticks (p12), and you can GCash out.
BackpackBrian
10-08-25, 06:12
Good report.
Other pool options include Iron Horse gogo bar, and Lips bar (downstairs). Also, Token Bar / Resto (see map), on Kalayaan, almost next door to the Starbucks across from Coro Hotel. Other landmarks on the map. Has 3 pool tables. Coming out of Starbucks, turn left on Kalayaan, just a few steps to the alley and its on your left. This is not a gogo bar, just a pool hall and restobar.
Bit steep, about the price of a full barfine. Our good man Brian should pay attention..Any ST that costs a total of $200 US is steep, considering the alternatives in other countries like Germany.
I can visit a German FKK and spend about $50 Euro for a ST, not including the entrance, but with that I get food, sauna, etc.
WestCoast1
10-09-25, 02:53
Any ST that costs a total of $200 US is steep, considering the alternatives in other countries like Germany.
I can visit a German FKK and spend about $50 Euro for a ST, not including the entrance, but with that I get food, sauna, etc.Agreed in general. But each location (country) has what it has. If the FKK is preferable to you, then why would you stray from it? I'm not trying to convince you to come to Phils, I am just explaining the differences between locations. In each place you visit, you 'get what you get' when you arrive. Even at the same location, you might get a different experience over different visits.
Also I don't think you are being honest. Correct me if I am wrong, but at FKK's my friends tell me that there is an up-front fee to enter*, which covers the vendor's expenses (your food, sauna, on-site bedding, etc). That raises the cost. Another difference: FKK's are short-time places, you get the girl for your negotiated time, which my other FKK mates say is often 30-60 minutes. Is that correct? That would make your 1-hour short time about $50 entry fee + $50 to the girl, or $100. If you were in Phils Angeles City gogos, you would pay about the same and get a girl for considerably longer, often 2 pops. On Burgos, you would pay the steeper $200 and get her for overnight and 2 pops. Gogos have LD's, but no entry fees, and you can depart anytime and lose nothing. You care comparing apples to oranges.
Additionally, others (see Goferring's reports of such) have reported that you can get onsite services similar to FKK's in Jakarta, for $25-$30, condom-less, no entry fee and no LD (but, no sauna or provided foods). While I advocate heavily for the FKK as possibly the best place (great price, great selection of girls from all over the world), I can't say that its everyone's cup of tea.
Also, you didn't answer my question about condoms in the FKK's. Are they common, do girls insist on them? Its an important factor.
* Regarding FKK entry costs:
https://21orover.com/earth/europe/germany/general/fkk-and-sauna-clubs/
A GENERAL FAQ.
OVERVIEW: WHY Germany?
We recommend Germany's FKK Clubs and Sauna clubs for three reasons:
Price and Atmosphere.
Quality of Service.
Selection.
Price. This is still reasonable, even at today's unfavorable exchange rates, because of the high quality of service. Entry fees range from 30 to 70 EUR ($36-$84 US). This allows use of all facilities (showers, towels, saunas, swimming pools, fitness equipment) and unlimited trips to the non-alcohol bar and buffet table, if offered. Many clubs have special parties and events to attract customers, and you're welcome to stay as long as you like. Cost per session averages 50 EUR ($60 US) across the clubs.
If you think the greater value is Germany/Thailand, then that's the call. If you are not so worried about that, then travel to new locations might be the experience. If travel is the case (Phils, Indo, Columbia), then be prepared for whatever that location has to offer. If Columbia's freelancers are typically $50 per ST, while Columbia's escorts are getting $1000 per ST, please don't complain about the escort prices. If they are getting that high price, there is a market for it. Its possible that you are looking only thru the narrow lens of price. Guys limited on price** usually can't get out of the slow lane; guys less limited by price get to move to the faster lanes (the market is the market).
** Regardless whether limited by his wallet (like me), his intuition, or his imagination.
WestCoast1
10-09-25, 04:02
V-8 Burgos gogo bar report. Went in on a Tuesday or Wednesday (trouble remembering) evening recently, about 10 pm. V-8 was my third Pervin'-On-The-Burg bar for the evening. I was the only customer. 19 girls counted, and a good lineup, only 1 chublette. Several real lookers, and about 13-14 were do-able. A mama brought 2 girls for me to look over. Chose one for a LD. I'd like to say it was good conversation, but the music is very loud. She was good to me, I got some good pervin' in (was not there to barfine). She stayed a long time, probably in total 20+ minutes. 3 dudes walked in together. Pinoys, mid-30's. Right away at their table they ordered a bottle of tequila*, and the mama lined up 15-16 of the 19 girls for them (3 on the dance stage). Once that bottle was on the table, the whales started choosing girls, in the slowest selection I've ever seen. It took about 1 minute for each girl they chose to sit with them. Each time they chose a girl, someone brought a new shot glass to the table. I could tell the girl sitting with me wanted to jump into the lineup for selection so I told her to go.
Of interest was the desire of the girls to get a seat at the whale table. In the lineup, as each girl was chosen, the other girls tried to move forward into her empty slot. They twisted, turned to show their sides, and made googoo eyes at the fellas. Beers started to show on the table. With about 6 girls at their full table, they kept choosing other girls who sat at the next table. Finally I tapped out while they were still choosing. The lineup of unchosen girls finally got smaller than the chosen girls. The chosen girls were, of course, bubbly and in party mode. Its possible that you have too much money to blow if you need to have more girls than your booth holds?
I think my Rum / Coke was p360, and the LD was p500-ish. Must say, its a great lineup of nice slender figures and phine phannies. Gone is the professional pole-climber-dancer that was there earlier in the year. Did not ask the barfine amount. Will need to re-visit, as both my vaxxing and pervin' work is never finished.
* Warning. A bottle of booze in a Burgos gogo bar will be expensive, in the hundreds of USD. You should maybe ask the price before you order one. You can probably get the same bottle at any store that sells it for $10-$15 USD (p500-ish).
* Warning. A bottle of booze in a Burgos gogo bar will be expensive, in the hundreds of USD. You should maybe ask the price before you order one. You can probably get the same bottle at any store that sells it for $10-$15 USD (p500-ish).That's true but with that said, it will end up cheaper than buying round after round after round of lady drinks with multiple women.
And since the bottle actually has alcohol while the lady drinks do not, the women become loser and more freaky as the drinks keep pouring.
WestCoast1
10-09-25, 06:29
Items moved from the Manila thread to here in the Makati Thread.
There is no comparison between FKK and PH, totally different things. FKK is close to the TH system, 1 hour, condom, in a back room, mechanical and soulless. SNIP and in FKK 50 Euros is the starting price for 30 minutes, Great post.
Ahhh. The truth comes out. Thanks OAU for the info that the OP was omitting. SEA might be the last bastion of condom-less joy. For me, hard pass on any system where the cover is typical. Also for those not experienced here, while ST here might mean 1 (or even 2) pops, girls don't watch a clock. Its generally a mileau. The 30 minutes you mention, inclusive of other mates who visited FKK's, is similar to the system in Mexico. Many girls in Mexico charge per minute, and you have to agree / negosyo before going to the room, on both the time and price. If you ask for 20 minutes, she might say "200 pesos ($20)". If you ask how much for 30 minutes, "300 pesos ($30)". And so on. Once you get to the room, at the about the 25 minute mark she will stop whatever she is doing, spash some water on that poon, dress, and hold her hand out for her p300. It doesns't matter that you were just about to bust a nut. Its that sharp. If you use a ST hotel, an attendant will knock on your door at minute 25, letting you know that you need to be out by minute 30. When she hears that knock, she's DONE, and getting dressed. Its that transactional, and just the opposite of the Phils outlook. ST hotels in Phils give you at least 3 hours for a rental, while in Mexico its 30 minutes.
Not sure how going overtime works at an FKK, but in Phils, she's in the game until you bust a nut, there's no time limit. Also gogo girls typically agree to stay for 2 pops, which is also a wild difference with the FKK / MX model.
FKK question. When you agree on a price with a girl, then retreat to a room and seal the deal. Do you pay her before, or after?
I assure you that what you'll get in AC for $100, has no comparison to FKK or TH GoGos.I'm not sure the OP will go for that. He has it in his mind that whatever he was paying in another place ($50) is what he will pay here in Phils. That in general leaves out all gogo bars.
I've seen almost identical posts, in several city forums, comparing another place and complaining that their preferred place has no equal locally. If you want the FKK experience and price, Germany, Austria and Switzerland all have options with a wide range of prices, although I didn't find any, when doing my research, where 50 would just get you anything more than in the door. At least another 50 was needed to get basic service.
If you're going to (any country for a first visit), forget about every other country. Find what that country does better and go for that. Go-gos are always going to be more expensive. There will almost always be extra expenses. Whether it's online or girls bars, street girls or escort services, there's almost always something worth checking out. Whatever works best for you, you won't maximize the experience if you're trying to compare it to another place and time.Spot on. In any country, there will be different mongering niches (online, FL / SW, gogos, escort services), and a different price range in each niche. Its fair to compare the price of this or that niche (say, FL / SW) from country to country (its your stack), but only in the academic sense of deciding if you want to pay more in one of those places for the opportunity of visiting and checking the place out. If you are only looking at the money, just go to the less expensive country and enjoy that niche there. Write us a report, and we'll keep the light on for 'ya.
I've been hearing guys rave about the Philippines for 45 years. In a few days I'll finally check it out myself. As always, I'll do things my own way, find my own experiences and make my own mistakes. That's exactly the right attitude. Hi-5.
Edited: Posts so good, I had to toss in some pics. Pics, another filipina joy.
WestCoast1
10-09-25, 15:37
And since the bottle actually has alcohol while the lady drinks do not, the women become loser and more freaky as the drinks keep pouring.Looser might be an understatement. Have seen whale's table completely surrounded by a line of smashed girls (a human curtain), and some pretty raunchy stuff going on inside the curtain.
Banana Boi
10-09-25, 16:05
(guessing there is a Hanady 1 somewhere else). Across from Kenny Rogers. Saw it walking to Mixue.
FWIW I've heard nothing but bad things about Iron Horse. My local friends say that bar is notorious for girls pickpocketing drunk customers and just being shady in general. Wouldn't be surprised if that includes drugging / spiking your drinks.
Yeah Token bar could be a nice spot for pool. The girls at Cubana also mentioned it last night. I guess there is always someone to play against you if you go there alone. I just got used to playing pool and drinking beer in Thailand, which is full of those beer bars with pool tables. Here not so much. It is fun and 2-3 beers makes you relaxed and play better but after that, well, it is not going to work LOL.
I think Lips I have seen on Burgos somewhere. Where is that Iron horse? Also there? If you google or read reddit there are reports that some guy (s) has been drugged and robbed with a spiked drink in Iron horse but I don't know how big that risk really is.
Looser might be an understatement. Have seen whale's table completely surrounded by a line of smashed girls (a human curtain), and some pretty raunchy stuff going on inside the curtain.Unfortunately it didn't work out in my favor my last night. I bought the bottle too late so after a few minutes of freakiness all it did was make all of the women at my booth sleepy LOL.
When I go back, I'm sticking solely to bottles as soon as I get there. It would have saved me a fortune.
Also does it seem to anyone else that it's almost impossible to get rid of the extras at these bars? There was one girl I had chemistry with and I kept telling her and the waitess to get rid of the stragglers, and literally none of them left LOL.
WestCoast1
10-11-25, 03:14
Also does it seem to anyone else that it's almost impossible to get rid of the extras at these bars? There was one girl I had chemistry with and I kept telling her and the waitess to get rid of the stragglers, and literally none of them left LOL.I will PM you with info about this privacy in the gogo, when you PM privileges.
That's true but with that said, it will end up cheaper than buying round after round after round of lady drinks with multiple women.I must have missed this post before. It absolutely makes sense.
And since the bottle actually has alcohol while the lady drinks do not, the women become loser and more freaky as the drinks keep pouring. I rarely pay attention to the LD's. Girls usually get some kind of cranberry drink, or a shot of tequila. On a recent Pervin' da Burg outing, even before her drink arrived, a Marquee girl was groping me up more than I was her. Cute, and hot to trot. When the rose-colored drink arrived I asked her what it was. "VodCran". I took a sip and it had booze, and too much booze. There was only 1 other customer in the bar, and a mess of cuties. I got about 25 minutes of Pervin' out of it, as she stayed an extra 10 minutes after finishing the drink until I billed out. She popped her boobs out of her bikini and grabbed my hands and slapped them to her boobs. Oh, fellas, I almost forgot to tell you: "Westy you are a honsum". Never heard that in a gogo before.
Expat American
10-11-25, 06:37
Any ST that costs a total of $200 US is steep, considering the alternatives in other countries like Germany.
I can visit a German FKK and spend about $50 Euro for a ST, not including the entrance, but with that I get food, sauna, etc.It is true that prices in the Phils have increased to a point it is not a cheap mongering destination if you plan only to use gogo bars. Phils does still have tons of young pussy available for a reasonable cost but not in the gogo bars. There is no point comparing FKK with Gogo bars. If you love the FKK scene go there. But the prices there have gone up as well. 50 Euro will get you pussy in a down market RTC (although there at least BB is done) but not the hotter girls in clubs like Sharks or Oase etc. There you are pushing 200 Euro for an hour not counting entrance And the sex is quick and commercial compared to Filipinas.
WestCoast1
10-11-25, 14:54
It is true that prices in the Phils have increased to a point it is not a cheap mongering destination if you plan only to use gogo bars. Phils does still have tons of young pussy available for a reasonable cost but not in the gogo bars. There is no point comparing FKK with Gogo bars. If you love the FKK scene go there. But the prices there have gone up as well. 50 Euro will get you pussy in a down market RTC (although there at least BB is done) but not the hotter girls in clubs like Sharks or Oase etc. There you are pushing 200 Euro for an hour not counting entrance And the sex is quick and commercial compared to Filipinas.Wow thanks for the FKK price update. The FKK / Burgos comparison falls apart under scrutiny.
Caveat: While AC barfine prices roughly doubled after Covid (about 2500 to about 5000), Makati / Burgos barfines (and associated tips) did not. Current Burgos barfines are in the p4000 range, and girl's tip is around p5000 in most bars (went trapsing thru recently). With drinks, about p10,000. Which is the same prices as 2015.
I have at least 1 more Burgos gogo report coming soon.
WC.
WestCoast1
10-13-25, 14:43
Marquee bar report. Wednesday evening, 10-11 pm. 17 gals, 11 easily do-able. Three cuties dancing on stage. Was approached by a 4' 10"-ish cutie, flat tummy, amply firm at Hootervilee, great hair and dazzling face. I think she said she was 24. She was doing' more groping than I was. Had a strong desire to get me to either barfine her on the spot, or take her into the private room. I asked costs for both; according to the girl it was P6000 barfine and p6000 to the girl. So, Marquee would be about p13,000 all in after including BF, girl's tip, and your drinks. My rum / coke was p350, girl's drink I think was 450, so all-in p800 for half an hour of Pervin' the Burg with a girl who had trouble not pushing my hands about her chesticles.
BTW, by 11 easily do-able, more specifically I mean something like this: One 9, one 8, and nine 7's. Of the remaining girls, none were too old, but they were all 'proportionally challenged'.
I asked costs for both; according to the girl it was P6000 barfine and p6000 to the girl. So, Marquee would be about p13,000 all in after including BF, girl's tip, and your drinks.Did you ask how much for FS in the private room? Or was it the same as the takeout BF?
G.
WestCoast1
10-14-25, 02:24
Did you ask how much for FS in the private room? Or was it the same as the takeout BF?
G.The girl said it was the same as take out. You agree in advance to p14 k. No idea of time limit in the room as it was not my first drink of the night and I had my hands full of TnA (she kept her hands busy also). She was pushing pretty good for some P4P, while I was fine with just the pervin'. I left the coins from my blue note change for the waitress. All in about p900.
Hey everyone,
Stayin in Makati at a nicer hotel. I'll be making my first trip to Manila in a few days and spending a week on a work trip.
1) Anyone else going to be there and want to hang out? I would enjoy some running mates to enjoy the sites and sounds. Did this before in a few other cities and always found it more fun to hang out with some like minded guys.
2) I don't intend to venture far from Makati area, is this a mistake? I will likely only have evenings after my work meetings to explore and want to stay in the safer areas, esp if I will be alone.
3) As a total newbie to the city and area, am I best to go to the gogo bars? Cafes? Or from an escort service? I prefer freelancers who are more personable vs escort or bar girls usually (as in other countries they are more business and I like a softer touch).
4) How are the local ladies at BJs? I've been to countries where even getting that on offer from the ladies was difficult to find. Yangon in particular.
5) Any other tips / recommendations are welcome.
Cheers lads!
WestCoast1
10-15-25, 15:19
I think I filed reports on this place previously, last year. The location is the pre-covid Rogue's gogo bar (Burgos St, corner Makati Ave, across from al Tarboosh resto. I reported last year that it was filled with fugs in their 30's and 40's. No more. Made a quick stop in and chat the mama a bit. Same pool table. Nothing of real substance in my report, except to say the girls average age has dropped by a decade. Not as good a selection as Maison, Lips, Kojack's, or V-8, but much better than before. I don't have drink or barfine prices.
WestCoast1
10-15-25, 15:43
Lollipop bar report. Location: Inside the Nautica entrance, don't turn left to head into Nautica, walk towards the back a few steps and find the stairs that go upstairs to the left; its on the second floor. Smaller bar that rarely has more than 10 gals.
Went in around 11 pm and there were 10 gals. 5 barely do-able, 5 not close. The do-able girls appear to be late 20's. Other than the waitress taking my drink order, nobody approached me for about 5 minutes. Then a younger early 20's thing sat down with me and chatted me up, FOB and new in the bar. She didn't push for a drink, so I got her one. Two older gals on the stage, late 20's but nice figures. Its a rather dull setting, nobody on stage does anything other than shuffle. I was the only customer, and have never been there when there was more than one other customer. Previously I think I reported a small room in the corner for privado, but that appears to be gone now.
Barfine according to the FOB gal is p3900, girl tip is p5000. You could give this place a pass and not miss much. Rum / coke was p300, the LD was about p400.
And annuder ting. Outside on the street are signs for Nautica, Lollipop, and Par Avion. I was always scratching my head, trying to find out what name went with which place. Even the door guards out front (and the gogo girls in Nautica) didn't know. A mama was walking out with me down the stairs as I was departing and she pointed me back upstairs to the 3rd floor. That place is Par Avion sports bar. Pool table and big screen TV's (no gogo girls).
Old And Ugly
10-15-25, 16:01
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3) I prefer freelancers who are more personable vs escort or bar girls usually (as in other countries they are more business and I like a softer touch)......!All 3 categories with some exceptions, are usually fulfilled by the same girls.
WestCoast1
10-15-25, 17:16
3) As a total newbie to the city and area, am I best to go to the gogo bars? Cafes? Or from an escort service? I prefer freelancers who are more personable vs escort or bar girls usually (as in other countries they are more business and I like a softer touch).If you don't find the gogos on Burgos to your liking, step to the street. Many street walker freelancers (and, careful, ladyboy) are available right there on the sidewalk. Cost for a gogo bar girl for the night: $180-$250-ish US Dollars. Cost for a street walker: $35-$60 for an hour or two. Gogo girls are younger and prettier. Don't whine about the prices; it is what it is. Escorts can be expensive.
All 3 categories with some exceptions, are usually fulfilled by the same girls.OAU is correct, filipinas don't usually require condoms, and you are likely to get GFE from any of them (that's not a guarantee).
WestCoast1
10-15-25, 23:55
A mama was walking out with me down the stairs as I was departing and she pointed me back upstairs to the 3rd floor. That place is Par Avion sports bar. Pool table and big screen TV's (no gogo girls).Addendum: It was a dead sports bar. When I entered the place just to reconnoiter, there were no customers and the three employees were doing: Nothing. I think I startled them. The place to go if you are looking for: A clean slate/table, a quiet place, waitresses with nothing to do but wait on you, and some exercise (a desire to climb stairs to the 3rd floor).
If you don't find the gogos on Burgos to your liking, step to the street. Many street walker freelancers (and, careful, ladyboy) are available right there on the sidewalk. Cost for a gogo bar girl for the night: $180-$250-ish US Dollars. Cost for a street walker: $35-$60 for an hour or two. Gogo girls are younger and prettier. Don't whine about the prices; it is what it is. Escorts can be expensive.
OAU is correct, filipinas don't usually require condoms, and you are likely to get GFE from any of them (that's not a guarantee).Thanks for the info. I'll take a walk down P Burgos and have a look.
BTW how pervy so the gogo girls get in the bars? Like just light touching?
Addendum: It was a dead sports bar. When I entered the place just to reconnoiter, there were no customers and the three employees were doing: Nothing. I think I startled them. The place to go if you are looking for: A clean slate/table, a quiet place, waitresses with nothing to do but wait on you, and some exercise (a desire to climb stairs to the 3rd floor).How about a report on the Blue Parrot Bar at the corner of Burgos and Kalayaan? There were some above average girls in there last year; plus, they do have a pool table.
KalaBairava
10-16-25, 14:36
Hey everyone,
Stayin in Makati at a nicer hotel. I'll be making my first trip to Manila in a few days and spending a week on a work trip.
1) Anyone else going to be there and want to hang out? I would enjoy some running mates to enjoy the sites and sounds. Did this before in a few other cities and always found it more fun to hang out with some like minded guys.
2) I don't intend to venture far from Makati area, is this a mistake? I will likely only have evenings after my work meetings to explore and want to stay in the safer areas, esp if I will be alone.
3) As a total newbie to the city and area, am I best to go to the gogo bars? Cafes? Or from an escort service? I prefer freelancers who are more personable vs escort or bar girls usually (as in other countries they are more business and I like a softer touch).
4) How are the local ladies at BJs? I've been to countries where even getting that on offer from the ladies was difficult to find. Yangon in particular.I'm in Makati end of October. If you be their around that time, we can catch up and bang some Filipinos for a hit 3 some, if not we catchup for a drink and explore the city.
KalaBairava
10-16-25, 14:49
Hi Friends,
I'm visiting Philippines for the first time and will be in Manila for few days and travelling to Borocay for a week. Would need help from seniors if they can refer a indie who can be my holiday girlfriend while I'm in Manila and travel with me to Borocay.
I've explored the Showaround App but I see request only from genuine guides who has mentioned no girlfriend experience.
Budget is 50 USD per day excluding travel. I can take care of travel, food and accommodation but I don't want to get scammed or robbed in a foreign country.
Old And Ugly
10-16-25, 15:35
Hi Friends,
I'm visiting Philippines for the first time and will be in Manila for few days and travelling to Borocay for a week. Would need help from seniors if they can refer a indie who can be my holiday girlfriend while I'm in Manila and travel with me to Borocay.
I've explored the Showaround App but I see request only from genuine guides who has mentioned no girlfriend experience.
Budget is 50 USD per day excluding travel. I can take care of travel, food and accommodation but I don't want to get scammed or robbed in a foreign country.Use pinalove or dateinasia (with caution), budget should be $100/ day.
WestCoast1
10-16-25, 17:31
Maison bar report. Shortage of girls. Last year on several different evenings there were 40-50-ish girls. On a recent Saturday, 10 pm-ish, 17 girls, 9 do-able. There were nearly as many waitresses as gogo girls. A bit later 3 more girls, lookers, came out of the dressing room to make that 20 girls, 12 do-able. When I walked in there 5 customers, and a bit later 7 customers, which is still short for a Saturday. One of the customers was a fat gringo who had 2 gals with him. His shirt was off and a massage lady was giving him the full upper-body rubdown. Additionally one of the ladies with him was also getting a massage in the booth. I was hit on for a drink by at least half the girls in the place, in 1's or 2's at a time.
There is this unusual guy who wears a yellow shirt and white shorts most evenings, and you can see him out / about on Burgos. He also has big boobs and short hair, an odd bakla who works in / around the bars, hustling to get customers inside. Have seen him in several gogos (Maison, Firehouse), and also Bourbon (its not a gogo bar) hustling drinks and clearing tables. He seems to make himself useful wherever he goes. Approximately 50-ish years old.
Rum / coke was p250. An attractive thing came up behind me and put her arms around me. Said to her that I wasn't interested in buying a LD this evening, but she didn't disappear, so I tipped her on the way out. The stage show, 4-5 girls shuffling, nothing more. While the music was loud, there wasn't really much going on. Most girls sitting about, ignoring the customers, and shuffling on the stage the girls were chatting with each other, but not really performing. One drink and bounced.
Asian Rain
10-16-25, 17:53
Budget is 50 USD per day excluding travel.Is that for you alone? That USD50 budget may be Boss money in Mumbai, New Delhi or Chennai, but probably will fall short as you are looking for a girl sophisticated enough to fly across the country with you to a resort town. OAU's suggestion for the dating apps is a good one. Leave the tour guides alone. Enjoy, AR.
Is that for you alone? That USD50 budget may be Boss money in Mumbai, New Delhi or Chennai, but probably will fall short as you are looking for a girl sophisticated enough to fly across the country with you to a resort town. OAU's suggestion for the dating apps is a good one. Leave the tour guides alone. Enjoy, AR.The only ways he will swing a 2500 per day deal is to offer a long term continuous agreement or recruit from outside expensive Manila.
As a guide, for XLT I offer the ST rate per day for repeated days. This is typically for girls that I already know. 2500 is low even for ST in manila. 15,000 per week might get some bites but it's not generous.
Enjoy. G.
Old And Ugly
10-16-25, 19:49
I was suggesting $100 (5 K)/ day for the girl only, that's kind of standard, if you find one willing to boink you all day for that money, because that's what's going to happen. It's self understanding that you'll pay the travel expenses also, food lodging, transportation. Especially on short notice, there are not many options available. I did it few times at that rate with AC bar girls, when I was under time constrains. When I had plenty of time, I found willing participants for 2 k / day or if it was long term 20 k / month, after that I wised up and had GFs as traveling companions, free of charge, some relations lasted few weeks, some few months, the last one 3 years, and going. Long term involves more than looks, you're basically just like a regular couple, past the facade that everyone shows to the world, starting to feel the real intimacy, and sometimes doesn't work.
Few years back I met this girl with a good job, corporate salesman at a plastic factory in Manila, she fell in love with me, moved in, than a week later when I decided that was that time again to travel around, she quit her job and came with me, after a week in Cebu, I couldn't stand her anymore, despite her good looks, something wasn't clicking anymore, so I made up some emergency excuse, and she went to her mom in Mindanao to wait there for my return from USA. Of course I didn't answer her thousand messages after my "departure" thinking that maybe she believes that I died or something like that. Even now after many years I feel sort of embarrassed, and ashamed for my exit because she left her good job for me.
Long term involves more than looks...after a week in Cebu, I couldn't stand her anymore, despite her good looks, something wasn't clicking anymore...Ain't that the truth. It's a big ask to expect to, immediately upon arrival, find a girlfriend for hire that won't drive Kala nuts after a couple of days. Add in going to Boracay, where you can't return her, and the risks are even greater.
I'd be focussing on different girls in manila and Boracay. If he clicks with one, then it's far easier to extend her stay than shorten it after promises have been made and expectations set.
Enjoy. G.
Old And Ugly
10-17-25, 01:19
Ain't that the truth. It's a big ask to expect to, immediately upon arrival, find a girlfriend for hire that won't drive Kala nuts after a couple of days. Add in going to Boracay, where you can't return her, and the risks are even greater.
I'd be focussing on different girls in manila and Boracay. If he clicks with one, then it's far easier to extend her stay than shorten it after promises have been made and expectations set.
Enjoy. G.While reading this I just remembered what drove me to abandon her, because as you can see she was presentable, not stupid, and ready to follow me: the most idiotic thing ever, but nonetheless most annoying to me. She kept pinching my cheeks and kissing me like you do to a baby. It drove me nuts, told her to stop, but it felt on a deaf ear, so I exchanged her for a newer model.
(figure of speech. Just went back to AC, I think).
I was suggesting $100 (5 K)/ day for the girl only, that's kind of standard, if you find one willing to boink you all day for that money, because that's what's going to happen. It's self understanding that you'll pay the travel expenses also, food lodging, transportation.
Few years back I met this girl with a good job, corporate salesman at a plastic factory in Manila, she fell in love with me, moved in, than a week later when I decided that was that time again to travel around, she quit her job and came with me, after a week in Cebu, I couldn't stand her anymore, despite her good looks, something wasn't clicking anymore, so I made up some emergency excuse, and she went to her mom in Mindanao to wait there for my return from USA. Of course I didn't answer her thousand messages after my "departure" thinking that maybe she believes that I died or something like that. Even now after many years I feel sort of embarrassed, and ashamed for my exit because she left her good job for me.Hey Ugly, I can relate.
Sure, there's always going to be one Pina you get close to, and it definitely doesn't work out as planned.
If it doesn't click, it doesn't click.
No need to feel embarrassed.
Decisions are made 'on the run' and it works both ways.
I kicked a girl out if The City Grand after making promises she couldn't fulfill, after previous meetings and the demands for cash for a pussy that was closing up.
Yes, I felt like an arsehole at the time as I was somewhat close to her, but I picked up within half an hour on the street.
Had a great night.
For a long time now, it's worked being my own boss in The Phils, and applying my 'conditions' as opposed to bar rules and those of the girls who are conditioned to extracting foreign money for very little satisfaction, compared to other FL options_ Phil.
WestCoast1
10-18-25, 12:20
How about a report on the Blue Parrot Bar at the corner of Burgos and Kalayaan? There were some above average girls in there last year; plus, they do have a pool table.Ask, and ye shall receive.
I was able to send ISG's board-friendly little birdie in on a recent evening to Blue Parrot. 13 girls total. Three hotties and 3 other attractive, for 6 do-able, leaving 7 older (late 20 / early 30's) almost acceptable MILFS. One other customer having a LD with a girl. Dancing girls were listless. Birdie was sitting alone, and a mama brought over two of the non-do-able MILF's for Birdie to peruse, which he declined (he carries more feathers than pesos, so he's picky). Birdie wondered why the mama's do that sometimes, bring over mid-range girls to push for a drink, and not a hottie. Finally Birdie called over a more attractive muse for a LD. Birdie's mixed drink + LD was about p800. Birdie says an older customer walked in and sauntered at the pool table, then sauntered out. Birdie's overall impression after 40 minutes in the bar on the weekend at 10:30 pm, with only 2 customers bothering to stop by, is that the place is relatively dull. I think I got the same impression last year at this bar when I visited. Me and birdie, great minds think alike. Doc did considerably better.
Birdie might have effed up; he did not get the barfine amount.
WestCoast1
10-18-25, 14:14
Thanks for the info. I'll take a walk down P Burgos and have a look.
BTW how pervy so the gogo girls get in the bars? Like just light touching?Obviously depends the girl, but any of these might happen: She shoves your hand inside her bra or bikini top, she plays with your Junior outside your pants, and if under the table she might later venture her hand down your thigh to the open leg of your shorts, and work it up inside (shorts are better than long pants). You put a hand on her thigh and work it up to her cooch, and she might pull the panty aside so you can get a feel of the clitty and such.
OR YOU GET NOTHING.
If she's cold to it, toss that fish back in the pond, and buy a different girl a drink. Had good success recently at Nautica and Marquee (regardless of whatever else was boring inside the bar).
Obviously depends the girl, but any of these might happen: She shoves your hand inside her bra or bikini top, she plays with your Junior outside your pants, and if under the table she might later venture her hand down your thigh to the open leg of your shorts, and work it up inside (shorts are better than long pants). You put a hand on her thigh and work it up to her cooch, and she might pull the panty aside so you can get a feel of the clitty and such.
OR YOU GET NOTHING.
If she's cold to it, toss that fish back in the pond, and buy a different girl a drink. Had good success recently at Nautica and Marquee (regardless of whatever else was boring inside the bar).I agree with Westie as always. I would say this is one of the best parts of PH that I am attracted to. Places like Marquee are very loud and slightly on the expensive side. Mamasans like "E" push a bit. I prefer smaller places like Nautica or dimple. If you find the right girl (s), you can have fun. I recently landed up going multiple times to little finger at the corner above blue parrot. Liked a couple of girls there. They were totally in. Bar wasn't crowded. I got whatever I wanted including a shakedown of my junior. One of the girls who I got her drunk mentioned that she was horny and shoved her cooch on my face. Oh the PH! If you find the right girl (and the bar), there are simple tricks. Go after 1 AM. Be in the bar with the girl until 4 AM. Head to your hotel. The girl will find her way to your room. Have fun, sleep, catchup breakfast or lunch or brunch. Its fun out there in Makati. I miss this. Have to find a holiday to slip out again.
What is the FR on Champagne? I was there on Sep 26th. Seems like a number of hot girls out there. I could recognize some girls who post quite a bit on FB or TikTok out there. I know a pushy waitress and had to leave soon. Their barfine was 3900. I didn't spend much time there.
I was suggesting $100 (5 K)/ day for the girl only, that's kind of standard, if you find one willing to boink you all day for that money, because that's what's going to happen. It's self understanding that you'll pay the travel expenses also, food lodging, transportation. Especially on short notice, there are not many options available. I did it few times at that rate with AC bar girls, when I was under time constrains. When I had plenty of time, I found willing participants for 2 k / day or if it was long term 20 k / month, after that I wised up and had GFs as traveling companions, free of charge, some relations lasted few weeks, some few months, the last one 3 years, and going. Long term involves more than looks, you're basically just like a regular couple, past the facade that everyone shows to the world, starting to feel the real intimacy, and sometimes doesn't work.
Few years back I met this girl with a good job, corporate salesman at a plastic factory in Manila, she fell in love with me, moved in, than a week later when I decided that was that time again to travel around, she quit her job and came with me, after a week in Cebu, I couldn't stand her anymore, despite her good looks, something wasn't clicking anymore, so I made up some emergency excuse, and she went to her mom in Mindanao to wait there for my return from USA. Of course I didn't answer her thousand messages after my "departure" thinking that maybe she believes that I died or something like that. Even now after many years I feel sort of embarrassed, and ashamed for my exit because she left her good job for me.Well, this could have been you today.
Banana Boi
10-19-25, 12:17
First off apologies since I lost all my notes and this is all off of my very poor memory. Review is of the week starting Sunday October 5. I visited Burgos on Sunday Tuesday Thursday and Saturday. Went into food comas on the off nights from eating way too much at the ton of buffets around BGC.
Sunday. Night 1 club 1 - Kojax Plan B. I went here cause it was recommended to me and it was the name I remembered the most as I walked up Burgos for the first time. I knew Sunday was going to be slow so wasn't expecting much. When I walked in I was surprised that it was better than I expected. There were 15-20 girls total and I saw 2 that I liked. All the girls sit on stage and in seats at the front of the stage. Zero dancing or activity so club atmosphere is almost non existent. As soon as I got my drink (I forgot all drink prices but I do recall that Kojax was the most expensive of all the bars for my drink. Almost double IIRC), I was attacked by 6 girls. 1 was ok the rest I had no interest in. They all seemed friendly but since it was bar 1 and I saw who I wanted on stage I said no. No does not mean no on Burgos as 2 of them didn't leave me. Sadly by the time they left the girl I wanted had been called down for drinks by one of the 3 other guys in the bar. I thought no big deal this my first bar on Burgos so all others must be like this every night. I was so wrong! Little did I know that this Sunday night was the best lineup I saw at Kojax and I never saw the girl I wanted again on my 3 subsequent visits that week. On each of those visits there were only around 10 girls all of whom were there on Sunday.
I went to Neon Nights next I think. Saw 3 not so great girls dancing on stage. This seemed more like a gogo bar than Kojax so I decided to get a drink. I regretted my decision once I ordered cause when I looked around there couldn't have been more than 10 girls none even close to appealing to me. I didn't stay long. I vowed not to return and didn't. Did I miss something or is this place as bad as I saw? The odd thing about Neon Nights is I noticed almost every other customer was Indian. There were 3 separate groups of 3-4 Indian men at the back part of the bar. No girls with them.
Below I'm just going to list clubs I remember visiting during the week. Can't recall which day (s).
Dimples. I walk in and out. It's the only bar I entered and didn't buy a drink at. No customers (this was Tues or Thu). I saw about 6 females in there but not sure how many were waitresses and how many were bar girls. I really should have got a drink and this week for me was more to check out what was good and what was bad. edit - this may have been Croc Rock. But I did do Dimples and Crock Rock and didn't stay at either.
Fyre (Tue or Thur). Ok this place was half decent. At least there were more girls than every other bar than one. Girls dance on stage. I was attacked by a line of 5 or 6 girls. None too appealing but I still picked one to have a drink with me. She had a decent face but once she sat down I knew she was too big for me. I don't mind girls who are not skinny if they have a very cute face but this one was even over my limits. The 2 girls I wanted were busy. One petite one I would consider my type. I sat around for 30 minutes waiting before I moved on. I never made it back to Fyre as you will read below.
Bottoms. I'm going to try to be respectful here for any fans of this bar but never again will I set foot in here. There were some really old and obese women here. One looked like the trans singer Divine from the 80's. As I walked in I smiled at one "girl" and she followed me to my seat. When she sat down I noticed she was 40+. I never bought her a LD even though she sat with me for a while. Looking back I should have. She was a nice "girl". I did tip her 100 PHP for her time and she was very happy. Another club I will not return to.
Iron Horse. One of the more fun bars on Burgos. First visit was Sunday. Sunday was the best day at Iron Horse. I believe Sunday Oct 5 was a National holiday so that may explain why Sunday was better than some of the other days I went to bars. Maybe 25 girls. One whale on the other side of the bar monopolized all the girls except 3 stragglers. The 3 stragglers came up to me. One of them was imo the best girl in the bar by far. I asked the 3 girls why they weren't with the others and the whale. The one I liked said they are new to the bar. I bought my girl 3 or 4 LD in total and she followed my 3 LD per hour rule. One thing I enjoyed about Burgos bars is that even though waitresses and mamas ask you to buy another drink if you say no they don't push you again. Big difference between Burgos and Pattaya bars in that regard. My girl said she was 23. I thought she looked younger. Very petite and thin. Big problem for me was she was flat as a board. However, she was very playful, hands on, a fantastic lap dancer, and great DFK. Because of my GF issues at my BGC condo I didn't BF her my first night. She was pushing me hard to BF her. She would have been fun. I did return on subsequent visits to Burgos. By Thursday mama said she was sick but was still coming in. I'm not sure if sick meant with the flu but that was not a chance I was taking.
There are other bars I visited I just can't recall them off the top of my head right now but I saved the best for last.
Lips - 1st night Sunday. I think it was late by the time I arrived so not too many girls remaining. I revisited on Tuesday Thursday and Saturday and this was far and away my main bar. One thing I have to commend Lips on is the mamas and wait staff. They really go out of the way to make you feel welcome. Mamas especially when they know you are not a Cheap Charlie. I liked Lips cause every half hour or so any girl who did not have a customer and a drink had to go on stage. That was when you saw all the available girls and they were called outcasts. Girls would come sit with you just to pretend they were with you. I never got to talk to the girl I really wanted. Thin light brown hair most distinguishable feature is a large tatt on her upper thigh with face cards. My companions here were 2 girls who were best friends. Both very doable. Again not as thin as some of you may like but imo cute faces. I bought them a lot of drinks to the point I stopped cause they were getting faced. Too faced to be any fun in a room. IIRC LD were 420 for small drink and 800 for San Miguel. They passed my 3 drinks per hour rule with flying colors. In fact, I don't think at any point in time they ever asked me for a drink. I initiated all drink orders. They were just having fun. They told me there were 100 girls in the bar on Thursday and Friday and 60 on Saturday. My guess was max 60 on the floor at any given time. I had a lot of fun with these 2. I can't wait to return and see them after Thailand and Jakarta. Unless Westie or someone else can direct me to another club it's basically Lips or bust for me. The only bar on Burgos I visited that I would remotely compare to a Pattaya gogo bar.
One thing I noticed about other customers at Burgos bars is there is ZERO action and guys seem happy with that. I was shocked it was the Farang who sat there. The Koreans I saw at least tried stuff. I saw a pretty handsum Korean in his 30's try to DFK his girl in Kojax and all he got was a peck on the lips. Needless to say he bolted after 1 drink. Other than myself I didn't see any fun being had. Of course the fun may have been very discrete and I didn't notice it.
Sorry this is all I have from my bad memory. If not for my 2 girls at Lips I'd really consider heading to AC just to check it out but I've been forewarned that if I didn't find Burgos girls hot I definitely won't find AC girls hot.
WestCoast1
10-19-25, 22:38
Sorry this is all I have from my bad memory. If not for my 2 girls at Lips I'd really consider heading to AC just to check it out but I've been forewarned that if I didn't find Burgos girls hot I definitely won't find AC girls hot.Solid report considering you lost your notes. Sad to say, the quality of gogo girls in all places has suffered over the years / decades. In fact, the 'Jollibee effect' has been gradually increasing weight across the country since I have been going there, and gogos now must sadly hire more chubs to fill out the roster.
Also, all fellas have been forewarned (and thus forearmed) by us that Thai gogo girls are superior in looks. The six-of-one, half-dozen-of-the-other tradeoff seems to be language.
Again, nice field report.
WestCoast1
10-19-25, 22:47
Maison bar report. SNIP
Rum / coke was p250. An attractive thing came up behind me and put her arms around me. Said to her that I wasn't interested in buying a LD this evening, but she didn't disappear, so I tipped her on the way out. The stage show, 4-5 girls shuffling, nothing more. While the music was loud, there wasn't really much going on. Most girls sitting about, ignoring the customers, and shuffling on the stage the girls were chatting with each other, but not really performing. One drink and bounced.Failed to report the barfine: P4800 + girl's tip. Different bars handle the girl's tip in 2 different ways:
1) Each girl decides her own tip. If you ask the mama how much the tip should be, she will tell you: "Just you chat the girl of that".
2) The bar sets the same tip for all girls, often at p5000.
Drink prices: Beer p180, mixed drinks like rum / coke p250, LD p480.
WestCoast1
10-19-25, 23:26
Oculto bar review. Location: Burgos St corner Calderon St, across the street from Octopus disco.
Went in on a Monday, 10 pm. One customer having a LD with a girl. One other gogo girl present. Mama and 2 waitresses, and bartender. That was everyone inside the bar. Asked the waitress how much a rum / coke cost. She handed me the drink menu, which didn't show any such price. She then looked over the drink menu, couldn't decipher it, and took it to the bartender. They looked the menu up and down as I took a seat. 3 minutes later they were still trying to find something on the menu that would resemble a mixed drink, rum and coke, etc. The mama discussed it with them. Apparently nobody is in charge or can make a decision. So I bounced as they appeared inept at discovering the prices of their own products, and there were only 2 gogo girls on duty.
Went in on Wednesday and asked the same question. The same reconnoitering happened. Finally I changed my request: How much is a 7&7? Same reconnoitering. Change ladies to gin / tonic? Same inability to find a price. If it isn't directly on that menu, you can discombobulate them. Bounced.
Went in a week later on a Thursday. Finally the girl had an answer, p350 for a mixed drink. Done! Five gogo girls all in one booth, below the TV on the wall. No customers, just me, 10 pm. When she brought my rum / coke I asked how much were the LD's. "800". P800? "Yes sir". Yikes! Sipped my drink for 30 minutes, and during that time 6 new gals walked in and changed into their bar uniform. 11 girls total, 6 do-able.
As I was paying the bill, I asked the mama how much is the barfine? "We don't have barfine sir. Just you pay the girl. You chat the girl". Another lady came over and listened. So, negotiate with the girl first? "Yes". So don't pay anything to the bar, no barfine? The other lady chimed in: "Oh. Yes. You buy a bottle first. Its p4000 for the bottle. Then you take the girl and pay her later". Ahhhh, I see. Its the old-fashioned system, rearing its head, buy a cheap bottle of liquor for 10 x its normal price, which covers the barfine amount. And LD's are how much? "800". Only 800! "Yes sir".
San Mig and RH were p150. There is no dance stage here, the girls just sit around in booths. During my 30 minutes there, only 1 other customer was in the bar.
Expat American
10-20-25, 06:44
Obviously depends the girl, but any of these might happen: She shoves your hand inside her bra or bikini top, she plays with your Junior outside your pants, and if under the table she might later venture her hand down your thigh to the open leg of your shorts, and work it up inside (shorts are better than long pants). You put a hand on her thigh and work it up to her cooch, and she might pull the panty aside so you can get a feel of the clitty and such..I've had everything including sample BJ under the table, full fingering and endless DFK. At other bars the princess thinks I'm there to discuss global finance with her or something and just sits there. I make it clear from the first drink that I expect to be entertained and I will buy many more drinks. Otherwise I just walk after one. Or I look around the bar and see if others are getting any play and the general energy and mood of the place. You can usually tell if you can find some action or not. Once you find a girl willing to play, the next trick is to slow down the drink rate. Someone else said 3 dronks per hour per girl. That sounds reasonable. One drink should give you 20 min of fonding, kissing and fooling around. Again, be clear. Tell them if they gulp it down they are not getting a second drink. If they take their time they will get many more. Most of the girls understand that. This strategy may or may not work if the bar is very crowded with customers but it always work when you are the only game in town.
Locamotive
10-21-25, 21:12
First off apologies since I lost all my notes and this is all off of my very poor memory. Review is of the week starting Sunday October 5. I visited Burgos on Sunday Tuesday Thursday and Saturday. Went into food comas on the off nights from eating way too much at the ton of buffets around BGC.
Sunday. Night 1 club 1 - Kojax Plan B. I went here cause it was recommended to me and it was the name I remembered the most as I walked up Burgos for the first time. I knew Sunday was going to be slow so wasn't expecting much. When I walked in I was surprised that it was better than I expected. There were 15-20 girls total and I saw 2 that I liked. All the girls sit on stage and in seats at the front of the stage. Zero dancing or activity so club atmosphere is almost non existent. As soon as I got my drink (I forgot all drink prices but I do recall that Kojax was the most expensive of all the bars for my drink. Almost double IIRC), I was attacked by 6 girls. 1 was ok the rest I had no interest in. They all seemed friendly but since it was bar 1 and I saw who I wanted on stage I said no. No does not mean no on Burgos as 2 of them didn't leave me. Sadly by the time they left the girl I wanted had been called down for drinks by one of the 3 other guys in the bar. I thought no big deal this my first bar on Burgos so all others must be like this every night. I was so wrong! Little did I know that this Sunday night was the best lineup I saw at Kojax and I never saw the girl I wanted again on my 3 subsequent visits that week. On each of those visits there were only around 10 girls all of whom were there on Sunday...Playing around having fun is one thing, that is a mongers job. Letting them quit their job, especially a real job to entertain you in your travels, that is coldblooded. These people are human beings with lives of their own when you move on. Real jobs there are hard to find, almost impossible. This possibly ruined a girls life, oh well sorry, I'm a bit embarrassed, yes I bet you are.
WestCoast1
10-23-25, 10:04
Little Fingers bar review. Location: Burgos, corner Kalayaan St, next door to Blue Parrot bar. Also its in the location of the old Mixed Nuts (however, the entrance is on Kalayaan St, not Burgos for the old Mixed Nuts). It is above the old Ringside bar. You have to walk up a healthy flight of stairs. About 9:45 on a Wednesday evening. Myself, and 1 other customer having a LD with a girl. 7 girls, all over age 28. Two MILFs. The other 5 girls, while over age 28, were close to being do-able, but just not quite there. The figures were not bad, but they gave the appearance of having lived a hard life.
Called one of the MILFs over for a drink, hot bod, nice figure, no baby marks in a bikini and nice rack. Very sweet. Started with some small talk and proceeded to some good pervin'. That lasted for about 10 minutes. But, stoopid me, we got off the pervin' thang (her rack) and somehow got to chatting about real life. We both stopped pervin' and had a lovely conversation for about 20 more minutes. Twice the waitress came by to get me to buy her another drink but I waved her off and said no. The MILF didn't leave at any point after her drink was finished, we just sat there and talked. Good girl!
Two gents walked in and then turned and left. Another guy walked in and then back out. The other customer departed alone.
At about the 30 minute mark I finished my drink, paid the tab (p750-ish), and bounced. Overall a rather dull place. The dancers are shufflers and emailing it in. The MILF was great, very mature in attitude and conversation. However not sure I can recommend the place. Little Fingers, Blue Parrot, and Lollipop bars are all small places, with a dozen girls or less, and seem to have so few customers that you wonder how they keep the lights on. Anyone else with another view of LF?
Mixed drink p350, LD p390. Barfine p3900, girl's tip p5000 all girls (according to the MILF).
Mixed drink p350, LD p390. Barfine p3900, girl's tip p5000 all girls (according to the MILF).That's pre Covid pricing. Admittedly before you got a looker vs old stock now but it's still not bad for the bargain hunters.
G.
WestCoast1
10-23-25, 15:24
That's pre Covid pricing. Admittedly before you got a looker vs old stock now but it's still not bad for the bargain hunters.
G.Certainly now several (smaller) bars have some older gals. The BF p3900 was more standard just around June / July of this year, but several bars have increased to either p4200 or p4800. Prices are on the jump. More reports soon.
Certainly now several (smaller) bars have some older gals. The BF p3900 was more standard just around June / July of this year, but several bars have increased to either p4200 or p4800. Prices are on the jump. More reports soon.I can confirm p3900 at Littlefinger, Ironhorse and even Champagne (slightly flashier) around last week of Sept.
LittleFinger.. Called one of the MILFs over for a drink, hot bod, nice figure, no baby marks in a bikini and nice rack.Aahn, did her name start with "B"? She is mostly in Bikini. If so, she has amazing attitude and great company.
LittleFinger.. Twice the waitress came by to get me to buy her another drink but I waved her off and said no.Yes, the waitress is non pushy. She is calm and nice. I like Littlefingers accounting. They write slips and keep it on your table. Marquee, Lips, Bottoms and Maison are known to fraud people quickly. A dancer and waitress who were in Bottoms are friendly with me. They saved me last year when Bottom was trying to cheat me. They asked me to leave soon.
Little Fingers, Blue Parrot, and Lollipop bars are all small places, with a dozen girls or less, and seem to have so few customers that you wonder how they keep the lights on. Anyone else with another view of LF?I am told that the owners of LF, Blueparrot, Nautika and Bottoms are the same. LF will get upgraded at somepoint. They are making losses today (courtesy mamasan and manager). Some of the girls here (LF) are mostly first timers who just start this work for $$. I liked a few girls in LF -- their names start with "C -- age 22", "P. Age 21 with a kid" and "A -- age 22 with a kid". I liked A and P (in addition to C). P has noserings and has a cute face. All of them were open for lots of perving, and tugging. They all gave me an amazing sendoff the night before I left -- though I did splurge p30 K. They were naughty, well too naughty. The waitress and mamasan did not care, and simply closed the screen and moved on. Oh well!
.. The MILF was great, very mature in attitude and conversation. However not sure I can recommend the place. Little Fingers, Blue Parrot, and Lollipop bars are all small places, with a dozen girls or less, and seem to have so few customers that you wonder how they keep the lights on. Anyone else with another view of LF?
Mixed drink p350, LD p390. Barfine p3900, girl's tip p5000 all girls (according to the MILF).IMHO, bars like LF, Ironhorse, Dimple are preferable if one likes the following: (1) They are less strict about their rules, give us foreigners more autonomy to do things (2) Non-pushy waitresses (3) Cheating is less rampant (4) Low lights for max perving and (5) Girls don't push you for BF. Places with action have girls who seem to have ADHD, and are not focusing on you or your enjoyment! I am self-centered bas* and I like to keep things in my control! You have to find the right girl / girls. Some or many of the girls don't show up consistently. Luck varies
IMHO, bars like LF, Ironhorse, Dimple are preferable if one likes the following: (1) They are less strict about their rules, give us foreigners more autonomy to do things (2) Non-pushy waitresses (3) Cheating is less rampant (4) Low lights for max perving and (5) Girls don't push you for BF. Places with action have girls who seem to have ADHD, and are not focusing on you or your enjoyment! I am self-centered bas* and I like to keep things in my control! You have to find the right girl / girls.Oh, some of these small bars have poor AC. You can ask them to make changes, increase or decrease temperature the way you want. You can chose songs without having to pay a DJ.
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10-24-25, 05:14
IMHO, bars like LF, Ironhorse, Dimple are preferable if one likes the following: (1) They are less strict about their rules, give us foreigners more autonomy to do things (2) Non-pushy waitresses (3) Cheating is less rampant (4) Low lights for max perving and (5) Girls don't push you for BF. Places with action have girls who seem to have ADHD, and are not focusing on you or your enjoyment! I am self-centered bas* and I like to keep things in my control! You have to find the right girl / girls. Some or many of the girls don't show up consistently. Luck variesSolid report, and I concur. Especially your list. For better looking girls and perving, I recommend Nautica, V-8, Marquee, Ironhorse, Maison, and Lips. I don't have enough info to speak of NN, Fyre, Champaign (lot of girls and booths, but just from a quick walk-in and look-see), and Bottoms.
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