Makati

[WestCoast1]

Kojax / Plan be report. Location: Burgos St corner Durban St, across the street from Filling Station Resto. Wednesday evening 10:30 pm. There were 16 girls present and 5 customers including me. Two customers had a girl for LD. The rest of the girls sit or stand on the stage, playing Jenga and no dancing. My opinion, 13 of the 16 girls were do-able, and that's a good ratio. Several of the girls were real lookers. A mama stops by to ask if you want a girl, and that's about as exciting as the place gets. Very loud music. The girls don't really wander the bar looking for a LD.

Rum-coke was p200, lowest I found on Burgos. There is a laminated drink price for LD's that started at p400 and went upwards. Barfine info from the mama and a girl was p4200 + girl's tip. The booths were occupied, and pervin' is difficult at a tall table, so one drink and out.

Friday evening repeat. This time 30 girls, again 23 do-able, and 6 customers. Considerably better atmosphere, the girls seemed to be in a better mood and moving somewhat more around the bar, chatting customers (still many of them sitting on the stage), or sitting in 2's or 3's at the tables.

[PhilJoy]

There is a laminated drink price for LD's that started at p400 and went upwards. Barfine info from the mama and a girl was p4200 + girl's tip.Always good to hear the latest LD prices and rates Westie, and justify my decision to give that scene a miss when there's so many other options available. Admittedly not for the newcomers or two-week warriors happy to have a vacation where everything's basically sorted, but wow, things are getting steep in the bars.


Places with action have girls who seem to have ADHD, and are not focusing on you or your enjoyment! I am self-centered bas* and I like to keep things in my control! You have to find the right girl / girls. Some or many of the girls don't show up consistently. Luck variesNice observation KB.

There's no way I'm paying for someone who's not focused on the customer.

I know a lot of guys talk about the 'good old days' and prices back then. It's not so much about the money. More, the service you were provided. Back then, you weren't swamped by 'leeches' looking to drain your wallet for a LD, and when you met the right girl, there was no ST, one shot stuff going on. You basically had her for the night and it was so much more personable.

I don't know if it's the current business model introduced by the Koreans, but back in the day when the Americans, Australians, English and Europeans used to run the show, the customer service was amazing, and the girls were too.

And they weren't on their phones all the time as soon as they entered your room.

The first thing I used to do back then, was take the batteries out of the remote control in the hotel room so the occasional one knew that they were there for a purpose and not to enjoy the luxury of a hotel television.

Just my experience _ Phil.

[Goferring]

Always good to hear the latest LD prices and rates Westie, and justify my decision to give that scene a miss when there's so many other options available. Admittedly not for the newcomers or two-week warriors happy to have a vacation where everything's basically sorted, but wow, things are getting steep in the bars.

Nice observation KB.

There's no way I'm paying for someone who's not focused on the customer...

Just my experience _ Phil.I'm unreservedly cheap but I'd beg to disagree about LDs. They can represent as much value for money as the guy wants and allows. For me, P300 to 400 for a fist full of pussy and a face full of titties represents pretty good value. Of course, the caviet is that services have to be provided as drinks are flowing. So many guys buy drinks as a form of flirting or foreplay and then complain that the girls are distant when the money stops. Remember that the girls live in the here and now. They will normally respond (very) well while drinks are being bought but owe us nothing after that.

Again, customer service can be what ever the guy allows it to be. Guys buying drinks and barfining outgoing and touchy girls reinforces this but walking in, pointing to a stunner glued to her phone, barfining her and leaving two minutes later only rewards bad habits.

Chivalry is dead because women killed it but Mongering is dead because Simps killed it.

Enjoy. G.

[WestCoast1]

Dimple's bar report. Location: Durban St, near corner Burgos St. Across the street from the Mexican Cantina. I went in on a Monday, Wednesday, and a Thursday, 10 pm-ish and the previous heyday is gone. On Monday and Wednesday there were 6 girls. On Thursday there were 12 girls. I bounced each time as there was no dancing and no customers. A week later I went in on a Friday evening and there were 20 girls, 11 do-able. Mixed drink p290, LD 400. Barfine p4600 + girl's tip. On the Friday evening just 4 customers at 10:30 pm (one whale). A mama stayed and chat with me for about 20 minutes while I nursed my rum / coke. Oddly, she asked if I wanted some massage and I said yes. She went to the massage, which is not what mamas normally do. Tipped her on the way out for the massage. The place seemed a shell of its former self, not only from when it was on Burgos, but since its been on Durban St since Covid.

[Old And Ugly]

Dimple's bar report. Location: Durban St, near corner Burgos St. Across the street from the Mexican Cantina. I went in on a Monday, Wednesday, and a Thursday, 10 pm-ish and the previous heyday is gone. On Monday and Wednesday there were 6 girls. On Thursday there were 12 girls. I bounced each time as there was no dancing and no customers. A week later I went in on a Friday evening and there were 20 girls, 11 do-able. Mixed drink p290, LD 400. Barfine p4600 + girl's tip. On the Friday evening just 4 customers at 10:30 pm (one whale). A mama stayed and chat with me for about 20 minutes while I nursed my rum / coke. Oddly, she asked if I wanted some massage and I said yes. She went to the massage, which is not what mamas normally do. Tipped her on the way out for the massage. The place seemed a shell of its former self, not only from when it was on Burgos, but since its been on Durban St since Covid.I always wonder WTF happened to all these places? The owners gave up on them, they don't want to make any money, or they are just a front for laundering money?

[WestCoast1]

I always wonder WTF happened to all these places? The owners gave up on them, they don't want to make any money, or they are just a front for laundering money?I would imagine two things: 1) The money laundering; and 2) While many gogo bars are fairly devoid of customers since about a decade ago, there are more whales in the bar. A whale (s) comes in twice a night, spends an hour buying 20-50 LD's, that's the equivalent of many lone wolves who buy only their drink, or 1 LD each. There are clearly fewer customers in the bars and on the street, even on a weekend, from pre-covid, 40-50%.

[Old And Ugly]

I would imagine two things: 1) The money laundering; and 2) While many gogo bars are fairly devoid of customers since about a decade ago, there are more whales in the bar. A whale (s) comes in twice a night, spends an hour buying 20-50 LD's, that's the equivalent of many lone wolves who buy only their drink, or 1 LD each. There are clearly fewer customers in the bars and on the street, even on a weekend, from pre-covid, 40-50%.It's not like the pond dried out, there is plenty of fish in it, thousands of pretty girls eager to make a buck, why the fat ugly and old ones, it's not like the flight attendants unions in the west, where they can't get rid of the senior ones and employ young attractive ones. That's what I can't understand. And while you have them there, on the clock, make them dance a little on the stage, it's fun and pleasant, better than plowing the rice fields behind a carabao. By the looks of the entire situation the only conclusion that comes to mind is that the owners have a very strong bankruptcy wish. Their money, their choice, but in the process they are drastically reducing our options.

[Goferring]

It's not like the pond dried out, there is plenty of fish in it, thousands of pretty girls eager to make a buck, why the fat ugly and old ones, it's not like the flight attendants unions in the west, where they can't get rid of the senior ones and employ young attractive ones. That's what I can't understand. And while you have them there, on the clock, make them dance a little on the stage, it's fun and pleasant, better than plowing the rice fields behind a carabao. By the looks of the entire situation the only conclusion that comes to mind is that the owners have a very strong bankruptcy wish. Their money, their choice, but in the process they are drastically reducing our options.While I totally agree with the sentiment, we have forgotten one very important part of the discussion and explanation: the bargaining power is no longer with the customer or the bar owner, it's 100% with the girls.

There was a time when she had the choice of working in the bar or planting rice behind a Carabao. That's no longer the case. Now she can make a lot more than farming and even sucking dick simply by working her phone. No working an embarrassing job until 4 am. No pretending to enjoy sucking 70 yo dick. No having a mamasan telling here what she can and can't do. Now she can go down to Starbucks with her friends, sit and chat all day and watch the cash roll in. It's hard to overstate just how easy it is and how much cash can be earnt. The consequences are that it's not surprising that they don't care about what punters think or risks of being pushed from the bar for poor attitude.

Sucks to be us.

G.

[Old And Ugly]

While I totally agree with the sentiment, we have forgotten one very important part of the discussion and explanation: the bargaining power is no longer with the customer or the bar owner, it's 100% with the girls.

There was a time when she had the choice of working in the bar or planting rice behind a Carabao. That's no longer the case. Now she can make a lot more than farming and even sucking dick simply by working her phone. No working an embarrassing job until 4 am. No pretending to enjoy sucking 70 yo dick. No having a mamasan telling here what she can and can't do. Now she can go down to Starbucks with her friends, sit and chat all day and watch the cash roll in. It's hard to overstate just how easy it is and how much cash can be earnt. The consequences are that it's not surprising that they don't care about what punters think or risks of being pushed from the bar for poor attitude.

Sucks to be us.

G.While everybody is leaning towards that explanation, I disagree: too many girls, too small of a on line paying customer base. I don't have hard facts, but just by thinking of it, it doesn't make sense. Girls in all the countries, all over the world, millions of them, are trying to get money this way, just too many of them around doing it, to be somehow financially rewarding. I know lots of perverts, and none of them ever paid a penny to any online sex services.

On top of that the logistics involved are available just to a handful of them.

I may be wrong but that's what comes to mind when I think of it.

[PhilJoy]

While everybody is leaning towards that explanation, I disagree: too many girls, too small of a on line paying customer base. I don't have hard facts, but just by thinking of it, it doesn't make sense. Girls in all the countries, all over the world, millions of them, are trying to get money this way, just too many of them around doing it, to be somehow financially rewarding. I know lots of perverts, and none of them ever paid a penny to any online sex services. On top of that the logistics involved are available just to a handful of them.

I may be wrong but that's what comes to mind when I think of it.I tend to agree Ugly. There's so much competition between the girls now setting themselves up online. There will always be the customer who wants to 'walk into a store' and see the goods firsthand.

However, after a bit of research and online digging, you can find some great catches with freelancers.

I've found you just have to be direct and upfront.

If one knocks you back, there will always be another in the queue to get a cash reward for pleasing a foreigner who is over 50.

Just my experience _ Phil.


While I totally agree with the sentiment, we have forgotten one very important part of the discussion and explanation: the bargaining power is no longer with the customer or the bar owner, it's 100% with the girls.

There was a time when she had the choice of working in the bar or planting rice behind a Carabao. That's no longer the case. Now she can make a lot more than farming and even sucking dick simply by working her phone. No working an embarrassing job until 4 am. No pretending to enjoy sucking 70 yo dick. No having a mamasan telling here what she can and can't do. Now she can go down to Starbucks with her friends, sit and chat all day and watch the cash roll in. It's hard to overstate just how easy it is and how much cash can be earnt. The consequences are that it's not surprising that they don't care about what punters think or risks of being pushed from the bar for poor attitude.

Sucks to be us.

G.Not necessarily G.

There is still hope.

We just have to keep track of how to play the game.

There will always be an avenue to take.

The bars have become too greedy, not to mention the girls relying on working there and expecting a highly inflated payment as opposed to actually what they're really worth.

We can work our phones too and work out a great negotiation. I've recently done it on the freelance route.

It's equated to great all-nighters at a fraction of the bar prices and with just as great, if not, better action in the sack.

_ Phil.

[Goferring]

Not necessarily G.

There is still hope.

We just have to keep track of how to play the game.

There will always be an avenue to take.

The bars have become too greedy, not to mention the girls relying on working there and expecting a highly inflated payment as opposed to actually what they're really worth.

We can work our phones too and work out a great negotiation. I've recently done it on the freelance route.

It's equated to great all-nighters at a fraction of the bar prices and with just as great, if not, better action in the sack.

_ Phil.We can disagree on he scope and ramifications of girls chasing Johns online but you've touched on another benefit of Pinas: they are great fans of differential pricing. Daddy can buy an iPhone and a house but when he's back home she's very open to sucking dick for 2 k a night. The same for the 10 k bargirl with bills to pay: she has no hesitation in calling a old friend for a 1500 quicky. That's the SAME GIRLs.

Enjoy. G.

[WestCoast1]

Coco Rock bar review. Location: Burgos St, between Durban and Kalayaan streets. Between Nautica and V-8 bars. Must walk up a set of stairs to second floor. I was the only customer at 9:30 on a Thursday evening. Guessing that there were no / few customers before me, and that this is a slow night for the bar, as there were only 4 girls on duty (all slender and pretty, I'd do any of them). Two were playing pool. No LD / pervin' session, just a rum / coke and out. P250 my drink, p390 LD. Barfine is p3900 + P5000 tip (all girls same tip according to the mama).

Sign on the wall says: "Pool p75. You pay whether you win or lose".

[PhilJoy]

We can disagree on he scope and ramifications of girls chasing Johns online but you've touched on another benefit of Pinas: they are great fans of differential pricing. Daddy can buy an iPhone and a house but when he's back home she's very open to sucking dick for 2 k a night. The same for the 10 k bargirl with bills to pay: she has no hesitation in calling a old friend for a 1500 quicky. That's the SAME GIRLs.

Enjoy. G.You make a very good point G.

Differential pricing.

Any new guys must realize that the general bar prices aren't their only option.

There's still a lot of other options that can provide excellent results.

If that wasn't the case, I wouldn't return for business and play at every available option.

_ Phil.

P.S. As you can see from the above, I like my Pina 'options'.

[Big Daddy 1906]

I've been doing my research and in the course of said research I came across a YT video that was giving a rundown of the entertainment on off and which "venue" caters to which type of individual. Towards the end of the clip they mentioned an establishment where the staff tend to be a bit more "mature," and caters to an older type of customer. I can't remember the name of the place and for the 1st in forever, the algorithm has let me down. If anyone can provide any guidance, I'd greatly appreciate it.

[BaddHabbit]

I've been doing my research and in the course of said research I came across a YT video that was giving a rundown of the entertainment on off and which "venue" caters to which type of individual. Towards the end of the clip they mentioned an establishment where the staff tend to be a bit more "mature," and caters to an older type of customer. I can't remember the name of the place and for the 1st in forever, the algorithm has let me down. If anyone can provide any guidance, I'd greatly appreciate it.If you were signed into YouTube, rather than using it in guest or anonymous mode, then you could simply review your viewing history.

[JohnnyVegas]

Coco Rock bar review. Location: Burgos St, between Durban and Kalayaan streets. Between Nautica and V-8 bars. Must walk up a set of stairs to second floor. I was the only customer at 9:30 on a Thursday evening. Guessing that there were no / few customers before me, and that this is a slow night for the bar, as there were only 4 girls on duty (all slender and pretty, I'd do any of them). Two were playing pool. No LD / pervin' session, just a rum / coke and out. P250 my drink, p390 LD. Barfine is p3900 + P5000 tip (all girls same tip according to the mama).

Sign on the wall says: "Pool p75. You pay whether you win or lose".Thanks for the review. But don't you think P3900 for BF is a bit high? And P5000 tip? That's $150 USD. 2 x Thailand prices!

[WestCoast1]

Thanks for the review. But don't you think P3900 for BF is a bit high? And P5000 tip? That's $150 USD. 2 x Thailand prices!Ah, the answer is both YES, and NO. Some thoughts:

1) Burgos is well-known as the more expensive gogo system in Phils. P4 k BF + P5 k tip + drinks is p10 k roughly, about $180 USD. This BF+Tip system and price has not changed in roughly 15 years, until recently and after covid. Some of the other bars on the street are up to p12-13 k, which is more recent in the past 2 or so years. Burgos gogos are usually for LT, 2-pop.

2) Aren't BKK gogos charging the same? And have been since well before covid? When I was there barfines were b2 k to the bars + before k tips + drinks, about b6500 all in. That is the same as Phils, as b6000 = p11000. When referring to Thailand, I am not talking about on-premise ST, I am talking about LT. Also, Phils is well-known for uncovered, while Thailand is questionable in such regard.

3) There are more expensive options in Manila (escort services, IG models), and much less expensive options (freelancers), just like in Thailand (Thermae, beer gardens).

4) Regardless what I wrote, or others write, something sinister has crept into bar management in Burgos since Covid: Mamas assessing your gullibility level regarding barfine amount, and telling you the BF amount is higher (say, p6000) if she thinks you are a noob, or drunk, or an assh*LE (she's pocketing the extra). Things change.

5) We been having this discussion for years. JV maybe needs to RTTF.

Alternately, a fella might consider going to AC. Most barfine amounts doubled immediately upon re-opening after covid, to p4500-5500-ish, depending the bar. This is all-inclusive, no tip is needed. However, pre-covid was generally LT, uncovered, 2-pop. After covid its still generally uncovered, but more often its 1-pop and out for the girl.

[WestCoast1]

Wanasa bar report. Location: Durban St, corner Burgos St. Next door to Dimples. Must walk up a flight of stairs from the street level. This is a muslim bar. I went in on the 5th or 6th night it was open. Its cold as F*CK in there. No other customers at midnight (I think it opens late, 10 or 11 pm, and closes at 7 am). Two bored waitresses sat and chat me up for the entire 45 minutes I was there. There was middle-eastern music playing and half a dozen girls dancing (shuffling) to it. 3 other girls lounged about in the shadows. Later 2 more girls came out of a changing room and hit the dance floor. One of them was the only one attempting to actually dance (and good at it). The waitresses suggested several times that I could change the music if I wanted to, but I figured Guns / Roses might not be acceptable in a muslim place.

When I asked questions, things were not clear. My rum / coke was p450, bit pricey. Did not ask the LD price. I asked the barfine amount. Waitress on my left side in the booth, screaming in my left ear over the loud music: "No po we don't have barfine". Early Work Release? "Sorry po, no". Waitress on my right leaned into my right ear: "You want a girl? You chat the girl. Then you come back at 7 am after shift and get the girl. She will talk the price". I see. So girl's tip only, no barfine, and take out at 7 am only? "Yes po. Like that". I assumed she meant that the girl would tell me its p9000, all inclusive of the BF+Tip. Also not sure who would want to wait all night in the bar till 7 am, or go home and return at 7 am; it seemed off to me.

A bit later one of the waitresses went and grabbed the mama -- not bad lookin'. "What do you want sir? You want a girl?" Not in the mood to wait until 7 am ma'am. "What? You don't wait. Barfine is 5000 pesos". Makes sense. And what of the girl's amount? "She don't get". So, just the barfine of p5000? Nothing later? "Nothing". Then the mama went behind the bar for a minute, talked to someone, returned and clarified: "Its 5000 the barfine also the girl will want". Yes, that makes more sense. Thanks. She stepped away and she chat 2 gogo girls for a few minutes while I chat the waitresses, then she came back over. "We don't have barfine. Chat the girl". And with that, she walked away. Clear as mud.

As confusion seemed to reign, I paid my bar tab and bounced. I can understand the system being new, and possible misunderstanding of the barfine amount. But it seemed that they were making things up as they talked. Having been open for about a week, it also indicated to me that they haven't had a single barfine in that time. So, just guessing: Barfine is p5000, and the girl's tip is variable upon each girl, probably in the p5000 range. Four do-able girls, the rest were a bit too porky for Westy.

"That's all I have to say about that" -- Forrest Gump.

[Old And Ugly]

Wanasa bar report. Location: Durban St, corner Burgos St. Next door to Dimples. Must walk up a flight of stairs from the street level. This is a muslim bar. I went in on the 5th or 6th night it was open. Its cold as F*CK in there. No other customers at midnight (I think it opens late, 10 or 11 pm, and closes at 7 am). Two bored waitresses sat and chat me up for the entire 45 minutes I was there. There was middle-eastern music playing and half a dozen girls dancing (shuffling) to it. 3 other girls lounged about in the shadows. Later 2 more girls came out of a changing room and hit the dance floor. One of them was the only one attempting to actually dance (and good at it). The waitresses suggested several times that I could change the music if I wanted to, but I figured Guns / Roses might not be acceptable in a muslim place.

When I asked questions, things were not clear. My rum / coke was p450, bit pricey. Did not ask the LD price. I asked the barfine amount. Waitress on my left side in the booth, screaming in my left ear over the loud music: "No po we don't have barfine". Early Work Release? "Sorry po, no". Waitress on my right leaned into my right ear: "You want a girl? You chat the girl. Then you come back at 7 am after shift and get the girl. She will talk the price". I see. So girl's tip only, no barfine, and take out at 7 am only? "Yes po. Like that". I assumed she meant that the girl would tell me its p9000, all inclusive of the BF+Tip. Also not sure who would want to wait all night in the bar till 7 am, or go home and return at 7 am; it seemed off to me.

A bit later one of the waitresses went and grabbed the mama -- not bad lookin'. "What do you want sir? You want a girl?" Not in the mood to wait until 7 am ma'am. "What? You don't wait. Barfine is 5000 pesos". Makes sense. And what of the girl's amount? "She don't get". So, just the barfine of p5000? Nothing later? "Nothing". Then the mama went behind the bar for a minute, talked to someone, returned and clarified: "Its 5000 the barfine also the girl will want". Yes, that makes more sense. Thanks. She stepped away and she chat 2 gogo girls for a few minutes while I chat the waitresses, then she came back over. "We don't have barfine. Chat the girl". And with that, she walked away. Clear as mud.

As confusion seemed to reign, I paid my bar tab and bounced. I can understand the system being new, and possible misunderstanding of the barfine amount. But it seemed that they were making things up as they talked. Having been open for about a week, it also indicated to me that they haven't had a single barfine in that time. So, just guessing: Barfine is p5000, and the girl's tip is variable upon each girl, probably in the p5000 range. Four do-able girls, the rest were a bit too porky for Westy.

"That's all I have to say about that" -- Forrest Gump.Just like asking at MCD's for "no onions" on your burger, try it once and see what a clusterfuck will become, and at the end you'll end up with something totally different anyway.

[Goferring]

Just like asking at MCD's for "no onions" on your burger, try it once and see what a clusterfuck will become, and at the end you'll end up with something totally different anyway.It's interesting to read see all the negative reports coming at the same time. There are many YouTube vloggers reporting 'Philippine Fatigue" or "Death by a thousand cuts" type posts recently.

I've lived and worked in many Asian cities and I'll admit that, while I have a great time returning for holidays, I typically only lasted 5 to 7 years as a resident before the BS would drive me crazy and I'd have to move on and have a break. Even now, I enjoy holidays for a couple of months but I don't think I'll ever go back to live permanently.

I've always said that living anywhere in Asia is totally different to holidaying there.

Enjoy. G.

[Jizzme]

Hello friends, I'll be in Makati for 4 nights. Any recommendations? Thanks!

[WestCoast1]

Hello friends, I'll be in Makati for 4 nights. Any recommendations? Thanks!First, any recommendations for. . . What? Girls? Hotels? Condos? Restaurants?

Next, I can see this type of questioning is typical for you. Send me a PM, I have some recommendations for you:


Stopping in lisbon for 2 days, 1 night off the cruise ship. Does anyone recommend anything?


I will be in Lucerne tomorrow. Does anyone have recommendations for brothels in the city?


Hey I'm going to be in town. I'm visiting for a week for the first time solo. Any recs or people that want to hang out?


Hey I'm back in linkou next week for a little bit. I have no idea how JKF works and I cannot read chinese. Any recommendations?


Anything in the linkou part of taoyuan? I'm ABC so I need a little more guidance not a local.

[WestCoast1]

Called one of the MILFs over for a drink, hot bod, nice figure, no baby marks in a bikini and nice rack. Very sweet. Started with some small talk and proceeded to some good pervin'. That lasted for about 10 minutes. But, stoopid me, we got off the pervin' thang (her rack) and somehow got to chatting about real life. We both stopped pervin' and had a lovely conversation for about 20 more minutes. The MILF didn't leave at any point after her drink was finished, we just sat there and talked. Good girl!


Aahn, did her name start with "B"? She is mostly in Bikini. If so, she has amazing attitude and great company.Sorry KbN I must hve missed this part before. Yes, the MILF's name started with a "B". Very mature, and very good English. There seemed something odd about the skin on her face, maybe acne when she was younger, but it was difficult to tell in the dark of the booth. However from the neck down, that's a 8. 5 to 9. 0 on the scale. Sensing that I wasn't barfining she connected her WA to mine and suggested some off-hours extra-curricular nawty the following afternoon at my place. That didn't occur but she peppered multiple times for such until I departed the big smoke.

[WestCoast1]

Nautica bar report. Location: Burgos just off the corner of Kalayaan St, next door to Coco Rock. Walked in and back out twice, about a week apart. No customers and little vibe at the time. The lineup of girls seemed pleasing, but it was quiet, so I bounced. A third night, about a week later, tried again. Two mates together, and 2 girls on stage seemingly having a shake-it-off made me want to stay. Had no more than ordered my rum / coke when a skinny cutie sat down right on my lap. "I'm Monica. Barfine me. Hahahaha!" Well, some spunk. She was so skinny that her ass-bones hurt my thigh. Had to push her off into the seat next to me. She wriggled right back over into my chest and said "Puhhhhhhhhhhleeezzzzzzzze? Hahaha". Ordered her a drink and before I could blink she started pervin' her hands about under the table, quickly fishing for the famed trouser trout. Well, this was working well. We were practically engaged to be married before her cran-quila arrived. We slowed down the pervin' to a slower pace while drinking, and she said she was 20 and grew up in Manila. Skinny, leggy, cute face, expressive eyes. She suggested we proceed to the adjacent wall, where we could: "Have some private". I see, sweetie, what does that mean? "The mama can make it a private". Its just an open bench seat on the wall, with a 2-person table. How is that private? "Have a ker-tain". I politely declined, and we went back to pervin'.

Either 17 or 18 girls, almost all of them good figures, so Hi-5 for that. Various ages, up to mid-30's. Good dancing on the small stage. It only holds 2 or 3 girls at a time, but often in this bar there might be 1-2 additional girls heading to the area just in front of the small stage to dance if they are bored. My drink was p350, the LD was p390. The girl said the barfine is p3900, and her tip is 5000.

While the waitress came by too fast to see if I'd buy the girl another round (declined), the girl took her time to finish it, and she stayed for about 5 minutes after she finished it. Go team Westy.

A downside of this bar is its seating. Small 2 person tables, and along the walls aren't real booths, they are a bench seat, with the hard wall at your back. Its just not comfortable. However if you like PYT's and pervin' or barfines, tain't a bad place.

[Nuggy12]

First, any recommendations for. . . What? Girls? Hotels? Condos? Restaurants?

Next, I can see this type of questioning is typical for you. Send me a PM, I have some recommendations for you:Can you send me some too! I've been before but want to get some OPS from a veteran.

[June Fly]

Most of the reports here focus on the bar scene, with very little information about street activity. I have found the bar culture in Angeles City to be quite aggressive and hit or miss finding and settling on a good one to take back. I have actually had better luck with freelancers and street walkers there. Can anyone share their experiences or the current situation on the street in Makati? Is it generally laid back and safe or a lot of drama and haggling?

[The Cane]

Most of the reports here focus on the bar scene, with very little information about street activity. I have found the bar culture in Angeles City to be quite aggressive and hit or miss finding and settling on a good one to take back. I have actually had better luck with freelancers and street walkers there. Can anyone share their experiences or the current situation on the street in Makati? Is it generally laid back and safe or a lot of drama and haggling?It's been a long time since I was in Makati, but I didn't see a lot of street walkers, and the few I did see I would not have touched. Unattractive, unclean appearance, scammy vibes, and possible trans some of them. I don't know how it is now, but if it's the same and you like to take chances, go for it. I preferred the Makati club scene, not only over the streets, but above the Angeles club scene too. Smaller of course, but hotter girls at Kojax and Plan Be back then. Was all before COVID.

[PhilJoy]

Most of the reports here focus on the bar scene, with very little information about street activity. I have found the bar culture in Angeles City to be quite aggressive and hit or miss finding and settling on a good one to take back. I have actually had better luck with freelancers and street walkers there. Can anyone share their experiences or the current situation on the street in Makati? Is it generally laid back and safe or a lot of drama and haggling?Freelancers _ Right up my alley Fly.

Although a lot of reports here revolve around the bar scene, I've always taken the FL route in Makati and have rarely been disappointed. And it can be very rewarding, with significantly reduced rates and longtime hook-ups, as opposed to paying bar fines, lady drinks and a short time session with limited shots from bar girls.

From the outset, I'd say a lot of it comes down to experience and learning for yourself 'on the ground' and working out what works for you.

I've generally found it laid back in Makati, safe and without haggling. If a Freelancer wants you, then you're calling the shots when it comes to payment, as opposed to the bar scene where 'you want them' and they name the price. With a freelancer, you can basically say, "I'll give you 2 k, a meal and some Red Horse to spend the night. Take it or leave it. ".

At 1 am, they'll take it. Just make sure they have government ID to check into your hotel.

Just beware of the LB's / Baklas. If a streetwalker approaches you and just offers a BJ, then it's a red flag. Unless you're into that sort of thing.

The other thing to consider is, FL's aren't always streetwalkers in Makati. They can be hook-ups organized by hotel security guards, those found on dating sites, or even the girl in a store who wants some after work extra income and who will stay the night in a 'nice' hotel for 2 k and a cheap meal.

My FL lady drinks generally come courtesy of the closest 7/11 before we settle in for the night.

Trust me, you can have a lot of action, for a fraction of the price nailing FL's in Makati.

It might just take some time to learn for yourself how to play the game, which we've all done over-time and learning by our mistakes.

Additionally, once you find a great FL, you can line them up for your next visit in advance. That way, you have everything sorted upon arrival and don't have to stress about going on the hunt as soon as you land.

Just my experience _ Phil.

[June Fly]

Freelancers _ Right up my alley Fly.

Although a lot of reports here revolve around the bar scene, I've always taken the FL route in Makati and have rarely been disappointed. And it can be very rewarding, with significantly reduced rates and longtime hook-ups, as opposed to paying bar fines, lady drinks and a short time session with limited shots from bar girls.

From the outset, I'd say a lot of it comes down to experience and learning for yourself 'on the ground' and working out what works for you.

I've generally found it laid back in Makati, safe and without haggling. If a Freelancer wants you, then you're calling the shots when it comes to payment, as opposed to the bar scene where 'you want them' and they name the price. With a freelancer, you can basically say, "I'll give you 2 k, a meal and some Red Horse to spend the night. Take it or leave it. ".

At 1 am, they'll take it. Just make sure they have government ID to check into your hotel.

Just beware of the LB's / Baklas. If a streetwalker approaches you and just offers a BJ, then it's a red flag. Unless you're into that sort of thing.

The other thing to consider is, FL's aren't always streetwalkers in Makati. They can be hook-ups organized by hotel security guards, those found on dating sites, or even the girl in a store who wants some after work extra income and who will stay the night in a 'nice' hotel for 2 k and a cheap meal.

My FL lady drinks generally come courtesy of the closest 7/11 before we settle in for the night.

Trust me, you can have a lot of action, for a fraction of the price nailing FL's in Makati.

It might just take some time to learn for yourself how to play the game, which we've all done over-time and learning by our mistakes.

Additionally, once you find a great FL, you can line them up for your next visit in advance. That way, you have everything sorted upon arrival and don't have to stress about going on the hunt as soon as you land.

Just my experience _ Phil.

Thank you PhilJoy and The Cane. The biggest turnoff for me with the bar girls is the change in attitude once getting to the hotel, not all of them, but some, suddenly they are tired, bored, or start giving sob, trauma stories, not to mention the constant nagging of mamasans to push for lady drinks, bar fines. There is much less BS from freelancers. Do you recommend staying in Makati to be closer to Burgos Street, or in Malate near the famous LA Cafe where freelancers hang out?

[Goferring]

Can anyone share their experiences or the current situation on the street in Makati? Is it generally laid back and safe or a lot of drama and haggling?The obvious concerning question is why is the girl on the street / working independently rather than in a safer and high earning bar? The answers can be both red and green flags.

Red: she can't get a job in the bar due to drugs, illness or behaviour issues; she is simply too ugly or undesirable; she is a he.

Green: she is a part timer, only hitting the streets occasionally when bills come in; she has the looks or customer base that means she makes more money by cutting out the middle man; she doesn't want the label or embarrassment of being an obvious hooker or bar girl.

In Makati, I don't do street walkers because she is likely to fall into the former. Part timers or online girls tend to fall into the later.

My last freelancer experience there was over all positive: A PL girl for 4000 LT. Looks, attitude and performance were ok without being exceptional. Easy to find and haggling over price, time etc was probably 5 minutes on WhatsApp.

To add to and expand upon Phil's points on freelancers vs bars:

Numbers are on our side. A busy bar on P Burgos might have 20 available girls. Right now, at midnight on a Tuesday night, there are 160 girls under 30 active on PinaLove within 20 miles of P Burgos. Add in all the other sourcing options.

The cost of barfines and tips has been widely discussed. However, the the externalities of regular and lady drinks isn't trivial. Especially so if you are vaguely fussy and it takes a few bars to find Ms Tonight. Sourcing costs for a freelancer might be P200 for a taxi.

The days of every Bargirl being a 9 or 10 are over. Sure there are some cuties but I'd suggest most lookers have the option to work alone online or off previous contacts and not having all the hassles and costs of working in a bar. The prettiest girls naturally gravitate to where the money is and that's online.

Many guys also aren't big drinkers or don't enjoy the bar scene.

Some part timers or street walkers are simply down on their luck tonight and are far less professional or hardened than long term bargirls. No need to get too emotional or starry eyed but many are actually sweet girls in a desperate situation.

Bars do have their place but freelancers and street walkers can be a real option. Just keep your eyes open.

[WestCoast1]

Found some blue vitamins at the Mercury Drugs on Makati Ave (see pic) for p120 per pill (100 MG). Unbranded, Kohagra (formerly known as My-Dix-A-Floppin). Same price I been getting them there for almost 2 years.

[PhilJoy]

Found some blue vitamins at the Mercury Drugs on Makati Ave (see pic) for p120 per pill (100 MG). Unbranded, Kohagra (formerly known as My-Dix-A-Floppin). Same price I been getting them there for almost 2 years.My go-to drug store in Makati Westie.

I fly in and out, so I bring my own supplies of blue vits, but always a good back-up.

The staff have always been so helpful with other medical supplies.

The tiny, cramped 7/11 just up the road is usually where I stock up on my first night of beer.

Just got to swat away the street kids demanding cash to open the door for you to get in.

_ Phil.

[PhilJoy]

To add to and expand upon Phil's points on freelancers vs bars:

Numbers are on our side. A busy bar on P Burgos might have 20 available girls. Right now, at midnight on a Tuesday night, there are 160 girls under 30 active on PinaLove within 20 miles of P Burgos. Add in all the other sourcing options.

The cost of barfines and tips has been widely discussed. However, the the externalities of regular and lady drinks isn't trivial. Especially so if you are vaguely fussy and it takes a few bars to find Ms Tonight. Sourcing costs for a freelancer might be P200 for a taxi.

The days of every Bargirl being a 9 or 10 are over. Sure there are some cuties but I'd suggest most lookers have the option to work alone online or off previous contacts and not having all the hassles and costs of working in a bar. The prettiest girls naturally gravitate to where the money is and that's online.

Many guys also aren't big drinkers or don't enjoy the bar scene.

Some part timers or street walkers are simply down on their luck tonight and are far less professional or hardened than long term bargirls. No need to get too emotional or starry eyed but many are actually sweet girls in a desperate situation.

Bars do have their place but freelancers and street walkers can be a real option. Just keep your eyes open.G makes some great points here Fly.

I can't really add any more as he's basically nailed it regarding FL's.


Thank you PhilJoy and The Cane. The biggest turnoff for me with the bar girls is the change in attitude once getting to the hotel, not all of them, but some, suddenly they are tired, bored, or start giving sob, trauma stories, not to mention the constant nagging of mamasans to push for lady drinks, bar fines. There is much less BS from freelancers. Do you recommend staying in Makati to be closer to Burgos Street, or in Malate near the famous LA Cafe where freelancers hang out?Absolutely Fly,

Imagine paying all that money on mamas, LD's, bartender tips and the like, only to wind up with someone who doesn't want to 'put out' when you get them back home.

Sure, the bar option is an easy grab. But with some time, research and patience, you'll discover the FL route can be very rewarding.

And it's not all about the money.

I've found that over time, the freelancer you'll get to spend the whole night with, will actually have a personality and it becomes less of a transactional relationship.

She'll tell you her life story, you'll tell her (certain aspects of) yours and then you'll both eat, shower, drink and exchange pleasantries. Well maybe not in that order.

Basically Fly, there's proof that you can have an awesome time without having to go down the typical bar route.

_ Phil.

[Goferring]

G makes some great points here Fly.

I can't really add any more as he's basically nailed it regarding FL's.Thanks Phil. However, I probably left out the most important point.

The main attraction for many guys to monger in the Philippines is the availability of BBFS. Many roll the dice. This can be justified for a partimer or freelancer who might be picking up a customer here and there*. It's a totally different scenario for girls whose job it is to literally find and fuck as many guys as humanly possible. Going bare with a Burgos or AC street walker would be a mater of when, not if, something went wrong. Remember these girls don't get regular checks like bar girls. And with the number of different possible sources, it could very well be some weird strain that takes a lot more than a few tablets or jab in the arse to fix.

Have fun but tread wisely.

Enjoy G.

* Before anyone flames me, yes I am aware that accurately predicting which box a girl fits into can be a minefield. Regardless, I'd trust a girl late on rent a lot more than a meth head out side Phillies bar.

G.

[Big Daddy 1906]

I'll be arriving in Makati on a Tuesday Night / Wednesday morning. As a general rule how's the action / vibe during that time? Thanks.

[WestCoast1]

I'll be arriving in Makati on a Tuesday Night / Wednesday morning. As a general rule how's the action / vibe during that time? Thanks.Which action is your play? Gogo bars? Streetwalkers? Online FL?

Regarding Burgos bars and SW, Sun-Monday are the slowest times (fewest girls), Tues-Thursday more girls, and Fri-Saturday the most. Being there at a slower time is not necessarily bad for you; it might mean fewer gents per girl for you.

[Big Daddy 1906]

Which action is your play? Gogo bars? Streetwalkers? Online FL?

Regarding Burgos bars and SW, Sun-Monday are the slowest times (fewest girls), Tues-Thursday more girls, and Fri-Saturday the most. Being there at a slower time is not necessarily bad for you; it might mean fewer gents per girl for you.I fly out to Cebu 36 hours later so I'd probably do Gogo, yet if the right freelancer caught my eye, who knows?

[Expat American]

Thanks Phil. However, I probably left out the most important point.

The main attraction for many guys to monger in the Philippines is the availability of BBFS. Many roll the dice. This can be justified for a partimer or freelancer who might be picking up a customer here and there*. It's a totally different scenario for girls whose job it is to literally find and fuck as many guys as humanly possible. Going bare with a Burgos or AC street walker would be a mater of when, not if, something went wrong. Remember these girls don't get regular checks like bar girls. And with the number of different possible sources, it could very well be some weird strain that takes a lot more than a few tablets or jab in the arse to fix..I haven't been to AC in several years but in the past there were many gems to be found on the street. Not outside Philly but on the side lanes. I've met girls with regular jobs who wanted some quick cash but stayed in touch for years later. Not just meth heads. The line between online FL Bar girl and SW is mostly indistinguishable as any hooker will use any channel if they need cash. Once you sell sex for money the venue is just a small detail.

[The Cane]

Once you sell sex for money the venue is just a small detail.I disagree with this 1,000%. For most tutes I know, the venue is a central and major detail, with most of them never, ever wanting to be out on the streets or even working in clubs in certain neighborhoods. Some would even stay away from clubs period and choose to do online only. How you can arrive at such a conclusion flies in the face of knowledge gained from decades of experience. If someone wants to pursue street walkers fine. Not even any reason to have to justify. But if you do give reasons, then man keep it real. The overwhelming number of girls absolutely do care about the venue making it a major detail. It may not be to you, but for most women it most certainly is to them.

[Goferring]

I haven't been to AC in several years but in the past there were many gems to be found on the street. Not outside Philly but on the side lanes. I've met girls with regular jobs who wanted some quick cash but stayed in touch for years later. Not just meth heads. The line between online FL Bar girl and SW is mostly indistinguishable as any hooker will use any channel if they need cash. Once you sell sex for money the venue is just a small detail.


I disagree with this 1,000%. For most tutes I know, the venue is a central and major detail, with most of them never, ever wanting to be out on the streets or even working in clubs in certain neighborhoods. Some would even stay away from clubs period and choose to do online only. How you can arrive at such a conclusion flies in the face of knowledge gained from decades of experience. If someone wants to pursue street walkers fine. Not even any reason to have to justify. But if you do give reasons, then man keep it real. The overwhelming number of girls absolutely do care about the venue making it a major detail. It may not be to you, but for most women it most certainly is to them.I'd agree that of a girl is desperate enough, she will go anywhere to earn a dollar. However, those with any other options will avoid the street scene. There's a real hierarchy of hookers and girls slide down it as looks or options start to narrow.

I've had girls refuse ot even meet me when I stayed on Burgos because they don't want to be seen in the area.

Yes, there are diamonds in the rough in all markets.

Enjoy. G.

[Transporter]

I haven't been to AC in several years but in the past there were many gems to be found on the street. Not outside Philly but on the side lanes. I've met girls with regular jobs who wanted some quick cash but stayed in touch for years later. Not just meth heads. The line between online FL Bar girl and SW is mostly indistinguishable as any hooker will use any channel if they need cash. Once you sell sex for money the venue is just a small detail.Yes, there are tons of girls, a lot are xbar girls, and waitresses that were lured into money making schemes (jobs) and fell into debt because they didn't like the work hours or conditions (many just don't like to drink and or the general atmosphere of the bar). Personally I think that they are just lazy and don't like to work the long shifts. Whichever the case, they are plentiful in AC and most of the guys that are there for long stays, or live there take advantage of these girls. They are all online and a lot are pretty damn hot. If you are a ST kind of guy, then these girls are right up your alley as for many years they were all 1. 5. Unfortunately I've just been to AC this past Halloween, and the prices have gone up, now they are all 2 k for these part time girls. One of my regulars makes way more money part time than she did working the bar. She pretty much sleeps all morning, gets out of bed in the afternoon and works a quick one here and there, often times disappearing for days as her clients take her on vacation adventures. In the last 5 years she has bought land, house, and car in her province. A lot of these girls know each other (many live together) so it is very easy to accumulate a lot of numbers from just one girl. In my opinion for the most part the sex is way better with the part timers, I can go out drinking with friends, and toward the end of the night if I don't see anything I like, just text a girl to meet and its all good. Even the ones not or have not been in the profession prior all get nasty for some ST cash, the only difference is the timing. The ones that have regular jobs during the day / night is harder to last minute schedule for a ST session.

[Old And Ugly]

I disagree with this 1,000%. For most tutes I know, the venue is a central and major detail, with most of them never, ever wanting to be out on the streets or even working in clubs in certain neighborhoods. Some would even stay away from clubs period and choose to do online only. How you can arrive at such a conclusion flies in the face of knowledge gained from decades of experience. If someone wants to pursue street walkers fine. Not even any reason to have to justify. But if you do give reasons, then man keep it real. The overwhelming number of girls absolutely do care about the venue making it a major detail. It may not be to you, but for most women it most certainly is to them.I think what he's saying is that once they do it for money, regardless of the venue, they will do it again sooner or later, it's not going to be a one time thing.

[WestCoast1]

Lips bar report Location: Badajos St (half block from Maison / Burgos entrance), across the street from Bel-Air Soho residence. My favorite bar. Two bars, one upstairs and one downstairs. The downstairs bar has pool table and 5-15-ish girls. Upstairs can be as little as 20 girls on a slow night, and closer to 80+ on the weekends.

Upstairs report. Went in on a Friday evening, 10-10:30. Place was packed, wall-to-wall skinny bikini'd poon, and lots of customers. Approx 70 girls. Did not see any seats available. Probably 30-35 customers in total. A bouncer took me around to find a seat, but none were available (they had removed all girls from lounging in the booths, the booths were all full of customers with a girl or girls), so I bounced.

Came back about a week later on a Saturday, same time. Similar situation, this time about a dozen more girls. I got the last seat available. A great floor show was going on. A mama was dragging several honies around from booth to booth trying to get LD's for them. I was enjoying the floor show when half a dozen phine-assed bikini'd honies stopped in front of me to also watch the show, blocking my view with their own phine asses. I moved to my right in the booth to get a better view, but a moment later another 5-6 phine asses showed up in front of me to watch and completely blocked my dance view. I had to settle for 10+ phine-assed skinny backsides, swaying to the music, instead. See what I put up with while ISG reporting? Two more skinnies plopped down in the booth to my left. A moment another skinny joined them, pushing them around the booth and into me. See? I nursed my mixed drink for about 20 minutes taking it in. I was going to pay the bill and bounce, not in the mood to perv. But, no waitress came by and nobody pestered me for another drink, so I just enjoyed the great view for another half an hour. There were four whale booths running during the hour that I was there.

Came back a week later on a Saturday, 9:30 pm. About 40 girls on duty. Good floor show happening. Two whale booths going on. All the booths except for two were taken by customers. There is a beer price list, p120-180. My Heiny was 160. LD's start at p400 and go up, drink-depending. A pretty 19 yo skinny blonde plopped down next to me and didn't ask for a LD. We just chat for a while. She said the barfine is p4200 + girl's tip. Over the next 30 or so minutes while we were chatting and I was nursing my drink, no waitress or mama tried to get me to buy a LD. A third whale booth opened up. Multiple waitresses and mamas were so busy slinging drink orders to the whales, that hardly anyone was paying attention to the non-whale tables. I tried to get the attention of several waitresses in the area to pay my tab, and couldn't. The skinny girl took the bull by the horns and went to the wet bar to get a waitress, but she came back a few minutes later and apologized for not getting me any help. I mentioned jokingly that I should leave, and return another day to pay the bill. "Wait!" She jumped up and told a bouncer. The bouncer walked off to get a waitress, talking to two different gals and pointing in my direction. That didn't seem to get anywhere and he also went to the wet bar for help. A few minutes later he came by and shrugged his shoulders, as if to say, "Sorry, nobody is available to bring your bill". Just then the skinny came by with a waitress with my bill, which I paid without tip and bounced. Also during all this time, another 30 or so fresh girls came out of the changing room, bringing the total closer to 70-ish ladies on the floor.

From my lips to your ears, that's my Lips story.

[Jizzme]

First, any recommendations for. . . What? Girls? Hotels? Condos? Restaurants?

Next, I can see this type of questioning is typical for you. Send me a PM, I have some recommendations for you:Would love recs on girls and restaurants. I got an Airbnb, so wondering if I might get in trouble bringing any girls back?

[WestCoast1]

Would love recs on girls and restaurants. I got an Airbnb, so wondering if I might get in trouble bringing any girls back?Still waiting to hear from you in PM. Hit me up there. Also you might want to RTFF, as I have a load of Makati reports in the past month or two:

Lips. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=3037480&viewfull=1#post3037480.

Nautica. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=3036797&viewfull=1#post3036797.

Wanesa. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=3035511&viewfull=1#post3035511.

Coco Rock. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=3034583&viewfull=1#post3034583.

Dimples. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=3034270&viewfull=1#post3034270.

Kojax. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=3033938&viewfull=1#post3033938.

Little Fingers. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=3033619&viewfull=1#post3033619.

[PhilJoy]

Would love recs on girls and restaurants. I got an Airbnb, so wondering if I might get in trouble bringing any girls back?Mate, it's Makati.

As Westie said, RTFF and you'll find plenty of advice.

As for your Airbnb, did you do some research before booking it?

Ask the question about guests and if there's so much as a slight issue, give them the flick and book into a hotel near Burgos.

_ Phil.

[WestCoast1]

ELO had it right, way back in 1981.

"Hold on tight to your dream". -- Jeff Lynne, Electric Light Orchestra.

[Nuggy12]

ELO had it right, way back in 1981.

"Hold on tight to your dream". -- Jeff Lynne, Electric Light Orchestra.Have you guys tried the Ray ban meta glasses?

Think it will evolve your Content shoot to another level.

[Mogwai]

ELO had it right, way back in 1981.
"Hold on tight to your dream". -- Jeff Lynne, Electric Light Orchestra.My favorite band when I was a teenager. I was 13 when they released Out of the Blue.

I bet you take Lynne's advise over & over again:

When you get so down that you can't get up.
And you want so much but you're all out of luck.
When you're so downhearted and misunderstood.
JUST OVER & OVER & OVER YOU COULD.

[NRandom940]

I went to Lips on Burgos the other day. I'm not one to waste time in the bar buying lots of drinks and watching the stage. I don't drink alcohol so obviously that's not what I'm there to do. At first I thought there was no seats, but then they directed me to a booth with 2 girls already sitting. Neither of them were to my taste, but there was a girl in the next booth over that I liked so I invited her to sit. I bought her a drink and her friend a drink just because I was feeling charitable. Came to 980 pesos for the 2 lady drinks plus my Coke Zero.

I immediately asked the girl if she wanted to leave with me and verified the price was 3900 bar fine plus 5000 tip. She said yes, but also told me it would be for a few hours. I didn't ask number of shots but I was thinking two.

The bar manager came over and tried charging 4200 for bar fine. I told her I thought it was 3900. She told me that was the old price, but then gave me a "discount" to 3780.

I paid 100 for taxi instead of walking 8 minutes back to my hotel with the girl in heels. I also gave her 100 taxi money when she left. I was disappointed she left after one shot (although it was a great shot LOL). She was nice, pretty even with the lights on, but it's not cheap. A good strategy is to get their WhatsApp so next time you can just pay her the 5000 without any of the bar nonsense.

So total = 980 (drinks) + 3780 (bar fine) + 5000 (girl tip) + 200 (taxis) = 9960 pesos = about 170 usd.

I wonder if they would have let me buy zero drinks if I wanted to just bar fine right away. I don't drink and from talking to the girls, they don't necessarily enjoy drinking all the time either. Anyone know if they would be okay with that?

[Old And Ugly]

I went to Lips on Burgos the other day. I'm not one to waste time in the bar buying lots of drinks and watching the stage. I don't drink alcohol so obviously that's not what I'm there to do. At first I thought there was no seats, but then they directed me to a booth with 2 girls already sitting. Neither of them were to my taste, but there was a girl in the next booth over that I liked so I invited her to sit. I bought her a drink and her friend a drink just because I was feeling charitable. Came to 980 pesos for the 2 lady drinks plus my Coke Zero.

I immediately asked the girl if she wanted to leave with me and verified the price was 3900 bar fine plus 5000 tip. She said yes, but also told me it would be for a few hours. I didn't ask number of shots but I was thinking two.

The bar manager came over and tried charging 4200 for bar fine. I told her I thought it was 3900. She told me that was the old price, but then gave me a "discount" to 3780.

I paid 100 for taxi instead of walking 8 minutes back to my hotel with the girl in heels. I also gave her 100 taxi money when she left. I was disappointed she left after one shot (although it was a great shot LOL). She was nice, pretty even with the lights on, but it's not cheap. A good strategy is to get their WhatsApp so next time you can just pay her the 5000 without any of the bar nonsense.

So total = 980 (drinks) + 3780 (bar fine) + 5000 (girl tip) + 200 (taxis) = 9960 pesos = about 170 usd.

I wonder if they would have let me buy zero drinks if I wanted to just bar fine right away. I don't drink and from talking to the girls, they don't necessarily enjoy drinking all the time either. Anyone know if they would be okay with that?I don't think so. I'm not 100% sure but I think the barfine goes to the mamasan who pays and feeds the girls, and the drinks money goes to the bar.

[NRandom940]

I don't think so. I'm not 100% sure but I think the barfine goes to the mamasan who pays and feeds the girls, and the drinks money goes to the bar.I asked the girl while she was in my hotel room and she told me she doesn't see any of the bar fine and she gets 100 php from each lady drink.

Is there a reliable way of getting hot girls here without paying the bar fees? From what I'm reading, Angeles City might be what I'm looking for as long as the girls are attractive enough.

[Phil65]

I went to Lips on Burgos the other day. I'm not one to waste time in the bar buying lots of drinks and watching the stage. I don't drink alcohol so obviously that's not what I'm there to do. At first I thought there was no seats, but then they directed me to a booth with 2 girls already sitting. Neither of them were to my taste, but there was a girl in the next booth over that I liked so I invited her to sit. I bought her a drink and her friend a drink just because I was feeling charitable. Came to 980 pesos for the 2 lady drinks plus my Coke Zero.

I immediately asked the girl if she wanted to leave with me and verified the price was 3900 bar fine plus 5000 tip. She said yes, but also told me it would be for a few hours. I didn't ask number of shots but I was thinking two.

The bar manager came over and tried charging 4200 for bar fine. I told her I thought it was 3900. She told me that was the old price, but then gave me a "discount" to 3780.

I paid 100 for taxi instead of walking 8 minutes back to my hotel with the girl in heels. I also gave her 100 taxi money when she left. I was disappointed she left after one shot (although it was a great shot LOL). She was nice, pretty even with the lights on, but it's not cheap. A good strategy is to get their WhatsApp so next time you can just pay her the 5000 without any of the bar nonsense.When I started going to Makati 30 years ago. It was fun groping, being groped in the bars. No internet. If my regulars are not around, I just got to escort website. Cheaper than bars but you never know h I w photos hopped the photos are.

[NRandom940]

I stopped in Maison because I heard they have rooms (or at least a curtain) on site. I was hoping to save some money on bar fine by staying on site. No such luck, they said it's the same 3900 (actually tried saying 4200 until I told them I know it's 3900). All I bought was a 120 php Coke Zero (actually 150 php because I got tired of waiting for my change after several minutes). Two girls sat next to me but I didn't buy them any drinks. I just got the info first, then they left after realizing I wasn't going to do anything. The lighting in here is so dark that it makes judging the girls appearance difficult (but not impossible). I saw 1 or 2 stunners on my way out the door, but by that time I had already made up my mind to leave. Lips has much more attractive girls and it's not as dark so it's easier to see what they actually look like. Overall, I successfully completed my mission of finding out if I can save money on bar fines with in-house rooms without spending a lot of money.

During my walk down Burgos, I talked to a freelancer who quoted 4000 for FS at my hotel. I declined as she was only average looking.

[PhilJoy]

I bought her a drink and her friend a drink just because I was feeling charitable. Came to 980 pesos for the 2 lady drinks plus my Coke Zero.

I immediately asked the girl if she wanted to leave with me and verified the price was 3900 bar fine plus 5000 tip. She said yes, but also told me it would be for a few hours. I didn't ask number of shots but I was thinking two.

The bar manager came over and tried charging 4200 for bar fine. I told her I thought it was 3900. She told me that was the old price, but then gave me a "discount" to 3780.

I paid 100 for taxi instead of walking 8 minutes back to my hotel with the girl in heels. I also gave her 100 taxi money when she left. I was disappointed she left after one shot (although it was a great shot LOL). She was nice, pretty even with the lights on, but it's not cheap. A good strategy is to get their WhatsApp so next time you can just pay her the 5000 without any of the bar nonsense.

So total = 980 (drinks) + 3780 (bar fine) + 5000 (girl tip) + 200 (taxis) = 9960 pesos = about 170 usd.

Hi Random,

Wow! Great to know the recent extravagant pricing and re-enforcing the approach I've always taken of selectively choosing quality freelancers.

$170 USD for one shot and you were on the Coke Zero!

Yes, if you find someone hot, hook up on Whatsapp and negotiate without the added costs in the future.

And yes, although I take a cheaper option, I find that the 3-4-5 k I generally pay generally equates to an all nighter or a long term arrangement with two to four shots on average per night / morning. It's a guaranteed payment for the girl over a number of days, she gets fed and a few Red Horses, which is the general request.

When you're making arrangements just between you and the girl, it gets rid of all the freeloaders and what you can save from bar fines, LD's and shitty bartender tips. You can reward the girl a little extra and I guarantee you she'll be happy.

For newcomers, yes, the bar scene is a good place to start. Easy at an expense.

But over time, you can work out there's a much cheaper way. And it's not all about being a Cheap Charlie. It's about quality action without paying top shelf prices for only one shot.

Just my experience _ Phil.

[NRandom940]

Hi Random,

Wow! Great to know the recent extravagant pricing and re-enforcing the approach I've always taken of selectively choosing quality freelancers.

$170 USD for one shot and you were on the Coke Zero!

Yes, if you find someone hot, hook up on Whatsapp and negotiate without the added costs in the future.

And yes, although I take a cheaper option, I find that the 3-4-5 k I generally pay generally equates to an all nighter or a long term arrangement with two to four shots on average per night / morning. It's a guaranteed payment for the girl over a number of days, she gets fed and a few Red Horses, which is the general request.

When you're making arrangements just between you and the girl, it gets rid of all the freeloaders and what you can save from bar fines, LD's and shitty bartender tips. You can reward the girl a little extra and I guarantee you she'll be happy..Can you get the girls WhatsApp in the bar without bar fining them? My instincts would tell me that's a great way to get kicked out.

In which case, doesn't that mean you can only do the 3-5 k option after bar fining a girl once? There are definitely some beauties in there. I don't know any other way to locate the beauties. The street girls are just not attractive enough (assuming they are actually girls LOL).

[NRandom940]

When I started going to Makati 30 years ago. It was fun groping, being groped in the bars. No internet. If my regulars are not around, I just got to escort website. Cheaper than bars but you never know h I w photos hopped the photos are.What escort websites do you recommend using in the Philippines?

[Old And Ugly]

............................................................................ The street girls are just not attractive enough (assuming they are actually girls LOL).The ratio is constant, just in a bar you see the all the components of the equation at once in one place low and high, on the street the components are in a constant parade, and it may be possible that in your time window, only the low values were visible.

[NRandom940]

The ratio is constant, just in a bar you see the all the components of the equation at once in one place low and high, on the street the components are in a constant parade, and it may be possible that in your time window, only the low values were visible.Do you mean just walking on Burgos?

[Goferring]

Is there a reliable way of getting hot girls here without paying the bar fees? From what I'm reading, Angeles City might be what I'm looking for as long as the girls are attractive enough.


Can you get the girls WhatsApp in the bar without bar fining them? My instincts would tell me that's a great way to get kicked out.Traditionally, bars frown heavily upon girls giving out their number in the bar. That means they normally like a bar fine to both check that the guy is suitable to meet again and to be away from the bar when numbers are exchanged.

Of course, there are exceptions when being generous and having a good rapport in the bar can have it's benefits:




Soon she's back and I'm at play again. Mama arrives. Would I like a private booth by the wall rather than the stand up bar table. Hell yeah. I sit and she straddling me. Her tongue is down my throat, her hand is grabbing my tool. My hand is inside her panties but she stops me, saying not allowed here. But they have VIP rooms for 5 drinks. She can do what ever I want inside. Faaark. I show immense will power and reply only drinks tonight. Genius move on my part. She continues grinding away and showing me a great time to keep me in the bar longer and the drinks flowing. They're shots but she's not being too greedy but I'm not exactly saying no either. The VIP room not an option, she gets back to work on me. More tits. More tongue down my throat. More grabbing my tool. Hands down the panties suddenly becomes allowed and a finger is in her pussy. She spins around to face away from me. My hands are roaming everywhere. Her long toned legs stand up, she bends over and her ass is in the air bouncing around inches away from my face. Eating her out there and then is too obvious. I pull her g string to the side and she backs up to be more hidden inside the booth. My hand massages her butt and my thumb finds her ass hole. No complaints. She starts swaying back and forth, backing up harder on my thumb. Nothing vicious but soon thumb fucking a strippers ass inside the open bar is added to the list of life achievements. She thrusts a few times but doesn't let it continue forever. She brings the fun to an end by turning back around to face me and straddle my hips again. Back to a face full of tits and swapping saliva.

I wise up and decide that that's enough and it's time to quit while I'm ahead. She's not allowed to give her number out in the bar so it's too blatant for her to type directly into my phone's contacts. She calls over a waitress and writes her a note. I pay the bill and get that note with the change. Whether it's real or not, who knows but it's a number to keep for when I'm back. 4 k worth of drinks and good times.

I Grab home at 5 am after 'just a quiet drink'.

Enjoy. G.P.S. The number and IG proved to be real.

Enjoy. G.

[WestCoast1]

A somewhat painful look back at a May 17 -- 2021 post, during covid, of the closed Burgos gogo bars, here in the Makati thread. Pics attached for reference.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=2560301&viewfull=1#post2560301

[Goferring]

A somewhat painful look back at a May 17 -- 2021 post, during covid, of the closed Burgos gogo bars, here in the Makati thread. Pics attached for reference.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=2560301&viewfull=1#post2560301Closed until?

[WestCoast1]

My favorite band when I was a teenager. I was 13 when they released Out of the Blue.One of mine also.


I bet you take Lynne's advise over & over again:

When you get so down that you can't get up.
And you want so much but you're all out of luck.
When you're so downhearted and misunderstood.
JUST OVER & OVER & OVER YOU COULD.You are correct. Over. And over. And over again. With the girl in the previous pic, I've held on tight 60+ times.

With this girl, 4' 8" and 70-ish lbs, have held on tight and vaxxed her 30-40 times. Great ass-orbs, and a waist so skinny that my hand, from pinky fingertip to thumb tip, covers it.

I try to suffer thru these gals at least once a week each when in Manila. Now get out there fellas, and start re-arranging some gal's guts as you go.

Mr. Lynne, thanks for the inspiration in my youth. Who knew that it would last nearly half a century.

[Old And Ugly]

Do you mean just walking on Burgos?Yes. In the bar you see the whole mix at once, and focus on the few that are to your liking, that's why it appears that is more in there than outside. (my take).

[Jizzme]

Just finished my trip to MC. First night I just called Manila courtesan for an outcall. Victoria. Not worth it really, wasn't the full 2 hours and she gave up easily on the second shot. She was also very distant.

I was exhausted the rest of the time I was there. I did go with a buddy of mine to Bottoms. He got a nice lap dance but we were meeting others. It was 7 PM and it was fairly empty and they attacked like rabid wolves. Mostly 5's or below there though. One of them was a water buffalo.

It was a fun few days there, next time I'll do more planning.

[UP3T86]

Freelance work is indeed quite interesting, with less rigid behavior, but many Filipinos are liars, and many who make appointments not to show up. Finding a truly good one takes a lot of time, and the average tourist probably doesn't have that much free time.