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05-18-02, 06:28
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Seoulman
05-19-02, 15:30
HI all..
wow great place to chill and share stories..
well I have been in seoul for 2 years, and have had a few experiences...

don't have much to say now, but hi and look forward to sharing my stories with you all later..
peace..

Questor
05-19-02, 22:43
Seoul Nights

Here is the follow up to my other post (in the archive now) I am working on a chart and review of all the Red light establishments in Itaewon, Songtan, and the surrounding areas which I will post when completed. Any comments are appreciated although I will not put specific names of girls in the chart just an overview of services offered prices and I don't need vivid descriptions just the basic facts, cost, service, rip offs, ect........hopefully this will help everyone around.

I have been to Miari and Yongsan Station several times and have had various experiences in each one. One thing is pretty much the same in all the establishments the very hot women do not like foreigners, they cater to the Korean males only. And while this is a setback it is by no means an end to the fun. I prefer a girl who is a little on the chunky side (for a Korean) they seem to give much better service and are a lot more fun in my experiences. The best luck is right in the back alley, and if you go in the afternoon there is a few English speaking girls that will take care of you in the B alley way.

Log Cabin Club: Well they have a few old women there that will do what ever it takes it get your business. Not my style and this is second hand knowledge so take it for what it is worth. The word is that the cost is around 100,000 won and they do it right in the club. It。ッs open early so I guess they get a lot of the early birds.

Itaewon Barber shop across from McDonalds: This barber shop is set up for Quick hand jobs the girls that I had were all pretty and young and provided a terrible massage but a first rate HJ. Cost was about 80,000 won, a little high but tolerable for the service.

Yongsan station Barbershop: At the corner of the Red-light area next to a movie theater, the girl that I had was real fat but what a massage and a BBJ, there was a lot of customers and a lot of girls, but that day and I had little choice. It was only 50,000 won and it was worth it.

Itaewon Gulliver/007 Club: This club is located just past the gas station in Itaewon it has mainly Russian Dancers although last year there were some Korean girls there (possibly Russian Korean). There is a 10,000 cover charge to get in and the girls are pretty snobby to non-Asians (I think that the place is set up to service Japanese or Korean businessmen). It was expensive but the women are very hot, I have never had much luck in here although it looks possible, but it would take a group to work the deal, not a place for a loner.

More to follow。ヲ。ヲ

Questor
05-19-02, 22:54
Hmmmm.......here is my contact info
itaewon_cavalier@yahoo.com




"Remember; no matter where you go, there you are." Buckaroo Banzai

Seoulmate
05-20-02, 15:44
I have not seen many reviews or even mention
of the Yonsan Red LIght district on this forum. I found myself
at the Yongsan subway station by mistake the other night.(got of at the wrong stop) and decided to look for it. Certainly nit as big
as Miari or 588 but a good number of shops with some hot women. I had no luck with the hottest ones at 588it was the same here. Ther diference is that at 588 only a few very ugly
ones called out to me there. In Yongsan there were several hot
babes who were happy to have me. They were not the 9/10 girls on the A row but some were definately 8's. The one I chose was very friendly and very hot and could have been an A row in my book. She was alot of fun and chargd me 70,000W. There were many others most were charging 70-80,000W . Definately a worth while stop and more hotties willing to do a foreigner than
at 588. The girl I had was a little more than you pay at Miari (usually 60,000W but she was hotter than most too.
Anyone else with experiences in this district?

Seoulman
05-20-02, 17:26
hi guys..
emmm Yongsan yes have been there, I went with a korean friend of my so I thought the odds would be in my favor to get laid..
denied!..funny thing was, that kept calling my friend but told him only you not your friend, my korean friend said forget it...
the hot hot girls with the fake tits towards the end of the street, ahahhaa this retarded guy was walking down they were calling him in OPPA OPPA!! but me 27 years old good shape and good looking..NAAAA!!! no foreigner ahahha wow never been to a country with picky *****s....ohhh well...
588 yes been up there twice, first time no luck, well considering the fact I will only do a pretty hot girl..so we left and went to Miari no problem there that time.second time was no because there was 6 of us and we were drunk.ahaahaha
second time to 588 most of the main street girls didnt give me any sign, but this one girl off the main street and she was fucking HOT!! said come in I will take care of you!...

also went to Songnam, a bit bigger than yongsan more theme there though, and no luck either that time..BUT keeping mind I was never looking for sex no times I went..except the time I went to 588, then miari, basically I get laid in Itaewon alot so don't venture out to hookers much, Would love to though, but don't really have the funds to blow, I have been doing research though for two years, just go there look around check it out, cruise off, 、ムbeen to many other places also, had a few BBBJ, HJ, diddling the HIll alot, central seoul, my korean friends take me out alot..
miari, 588, not really offen, after getting rejected, it's like fuck that
rather save up for Thailand where the worlds my oyster..
Go catch a tiger and fuck!

still love korea sex scene especially discovering it..
I will share other stories and encounters with Hookers in hotels later...

Lighter9000
05-23-02, 05:17
On Barber Shops:

I wouldn't waste your time with these. I've lived in Seoul awhile and they are really hit and miss.

I have been to quite a few and never had full sex and never even gotten a bj. I'm good looking clean-cut guy too, so I'm not some dirty slob.

The woman are almost always old, I have NEVER seen a girl under 30 working at these places and the appearance varies.. these places are always quite dimly lit so its hard to tell. They range between a 2 and a 7. The average being a 4-5, with tons of makeup. Alot of them are really slim though and have really soft, supple skin, so in the dark... but anyway.

Price is always 60-80. The service you get depends entirely on the girl. Even if you ask for "full service?" from the old lady at the front desk.. she will always say "yes" whether she understand what you mean or not.

Most times when I have been offered (by the girl) full sex or a bj, its always been the fake kind.. the secret hand-job. I can tell the difference (though they are really skillful). They will straddle you and lean forward, with one hand back, with tons of lotion. Bob up and down and make fake sounds. Its kinda insulting really.

The massages are USUALLY pretty decent.. so if you need to change the oil and relax for an hour, I would suggest them. If you just need to get your dick wet, then you're better off spending your 60-80 thousand on a ***** in the RLD's. Where you can get a half-decent looking chick and there is no question of full sex.

Cheers.

guest02
05-24-02, 13:08
Re 588, are you sure all the chicks there are legit and not transvestites? The first place told me to wait in a room, then brought someone who looked 60 years old. I ran out. In the back alleys, I saw many who were really hot. But they seemed really tall for Koreans, and kinda masculine. I'm wondering if they are all real.

Alex20
05-24-02, 14:55
HI,

Just a short info for those who will spend some time on Itaewon...avoid to go to Ginger's bar because you can be stolen by one of the girl (be careful of the owner especially).

Soulman
05-24-02, 22:33
Be careful in Itaewon bars as there are quite a few tranvestites and gays working in bars! Itaewon is magnet for Korean, Japanese and other foreign gays to hang out. Many asian gays know they are flirting with another gay "girl" and it's acceptable way of going to "legit" bars to be with the "girls".

You say you can tell fags set to look like hot cuties? Well, guess again as buddy of mine thought he was getting lucky with a tall cuti in the bar. So he kept on going back and she would go down on him in the booth. He brought "her" to hotel and security at Hyatt stopped them as they entered and argument broke out between "her" and security. She grabbed my friend's arm and tried to walk away and one of gurard yelled "she is a man, not woman!". The the "*****" ran away. I guess this happened one other time with a foreign guest at the hotel.

So be careful!

guest02
05-25-02, 06:54
Be careful everywhere. I was at 588 last night, and I'm pretty sure some of them chicks were men. They looked a little different. I've been living in San Franciso for the past 20 years, and it's still hard to tell. With all that makeup, they'll fool you until it's too late. I was with a buddy who had a man in TJ, and didn't find out until after.

Clix
05-25-02, 23:12
Information request -
Likely going to have a limited stopover in Seoul en route to Bangkok this fall. The stopover duration, well desired as I hate long flights, is flexible. Are there any good places at or near the Airport where one can get some good service?
Any information is appreciated.
Thanks
Clix

mastophiliac
05-26-02, 04:21
Explored Songnam's red light district area early last nite. Like what I heard before, the girls are dressed in cheerleading uniforms and sailormoon type costumes. Quality of girls varies. There are some really fat ones and some pretty ones. Also, there are no ajumas that grab you like Mia-lee so you can look at the girls through the window hassle free. If you are a foreigner, I suggest you explore this area with a Korean buddy as there are some Korean gangstas roaming around. I actually saw one holding a gun but it appeared to be a pellet gun in my opinion.

Anyways, girls are asking about 50,000-60,000 Won for short session (30mins?). You can get here by subway. Take the number 8 line to Shin Heong station and then take exit 13 or 14 and once you exit the station, you go straight behind the buildings where there a narrow alley ways with pink fluorescent lights. Happy hunting!!!

Questor
05-26-02, 04:47
Some helpful words.............

Sexy sec-shi
Good jo-a-yo
Yes ye/ne
It is very delicious aju mas-shisoyo
I like you nanun dangshin-uliyo a hamnida
How much is this igo olmayo
How much olmayo
I love you saranghe
You are beautiful tangshin-un arumdapgunyo
Girl friend yoga chingu
Boyfriend namja chingu
Lets go kapshida / kaja
I understand ar-a-so
I don。ッt understand mulayo
You are pretty cham yeh-poyo
Come here Eereeo-ship-shi-yo
Angel chun-sa
Not yet ajik amnida
Come see me nollo oshipshio
She is pretty ku yoganun yeppumnida
Because I have no money toni opsosoyo


In Korea you will find a veritable smorgasbord of nubile and willing women who are interested offering themselves to you. I will try and break the sections down that I am aware of and provide insight, advice and recommendations.

Iteawon basic rules- this is the realm of the us soldier, as you walk up the so called hooker hill you will see numerous women who will call and become you to enter their establishments. These places are usually small and cramped with little room. The drinks are about 3$ but the catch is you have to by a woman a drink for about 10$. After you have purchased a drink for the woman she will start to fondle you getting you more and more aroused, she will then ask you to buy her another drink. This will continue until you run out of money of you decide to move the negotiations further along. NOTE: If you want sex, ask up front. It will save you money in the long run. For straight sex it runs about 80 to 300 dollars depending on the girl and the day. You get better rates during the weekdays when the military personnel are busy. Most of the time the sex is straight missionary, but sometime you can find a woman who gets into her work. Most of the time the girl will take you to a room or have you meet her at her apartment that is located close by. The routine is usually a short condomless blowjob and then a condom missionary fuck. If you go to long you will hear the words 。ーpalli, palli。ア or hurry up. All in all it is fun for the experience but there are better places to go for ass than the hill.


Club review

Polly's Kettle/Polly's Kettle 2: a regular bar you can just sit in. No overt prostitution yet, it has just been remodeled and may change around a bit.

The Stable (Fish Alley): look for Julie, she is beautiful and very popular. She is also quite expensive

Indian Joes: this is a sex club pure and simple. There is a bedroom in the club and it is available for use. The women are older but they are more into the sex.

First Class(Fish Alley) club: it is a downstairs club that offers a nice atmosphere and ok women, not much of a selection

Townhouse: Various girls all can be had for a price. It is small and cramped but the girls are usually friendly

The Royal Club/Resturant: This club is ok, but the girls are real pro。ッs they will fuck in the club at the table if it is slow. Be warned they drink like fish and it can be very expensive in here.

Dragon Club: A rip off, never had anything but the runaround here. Although the girls are hot. I belive that they do not offer sex here, unless you are willing to fork over alot of money.

Cheers: Boring....... but it has cute girls

Tiger Tavern: this Club has some hot ladies but they are very good at getting your money they follow standard itaewon procedure.

Texas Club: Watch out for these grils they will drain the money from you and promise the world.....don't fall for it.

Capital club: Very boring.......ugly girls

Rocky Top Club: The girls are average looking and but he upstairs is nice. Same rules on money appy, the girls will get it from you if they can, bu are not that pushy

Bridge Club: A couple good prospects in here, they will go the extra mile, just be up front with them and make sure that you are specific.....remember if it seems to good to be true.....it is.

Boston Club: they have access to a room close and discreet, they girls are not bad and will also go the extra mile.


Best Club: Not bad overall, depends on the night. Nothing to special about this one.

The Russian Rio: located next to the 711 at the bottom of the hill. Although this club is not a hooker bar with over prostitution, in fact it is more like an American bar in the states. I have included it in the list since it has a hidden treasure. The Russian *****s that work in Korea tend to hang out in this club on Friday and Saturday night. They are usually not working and tend to be expensive if they are (they cater to rich Koreans and Japanese) but they will go home with you for free at times. The best time for action is late Saturday night/Sunday morning.

Lighter9000
05-26-02, 15:12
Which clubs/bars in Itaewon have the transvestites?

Seoulmate
05-27-02, 14:00
There is a club on the right side of the hill if you are walking up.
It is less than half way and I believe it is called Venus. I believe
the "girls" here are transsexuals. Anyone corrrect me if I'm
wrong or name any others you know of.

Anal Kiss
05-31-02, 21:33
Hi guys~
I'm glad to be back to new WSG Forum....
I will give you some tips about Seoul night life.

Firstly there aren't any transexual in red light district as far as
I concern. Some of them may do plastic surgery but don't change
their sex.

But you may find some of them at Itaewon bars~

Most of red light district have most beautiful ones unfortunetly you
have to be with Korean friend to make more chances to picked by
girl. Last time I took 7 American guys to one of place and hardly negotiate with owner and girls. All of us were happy~~
Most of them will hesitate to except western guy. Because of
language as well as no exprience.

There are so many different type of establishment in Seoul.

1. Red light district - there are 5-6 famous places in Seoul or nearby. I recomend go there with Korean friend and make them to
remember your face for next time. Then you can go alone.
Price 60,000 won = around U$ 50

2. Turky bath - Also dozens of places spread out in Seoul. Girl will wash you naked , massage , tongue bath (toe to head) , and after that settle for sex.
Price 150,000 won = around U$ 125

3. Massage parlor - Also countless places in Seoul. blind person gives you normal massage for 30-40 min and then girl will came to your room if you don't like style ask them to send other girl.
Price 80,000 won = around U$65~70

4. barber shop - Thousands of places in Seoul but only few places
offer bath + tongue bath + sex. Pretty similar as Turkish bath but cheaper.
Price 80,000 won = around U$65~70

5. Karaoke - plenty of places. Have to speak Koean otherwise no fun. Unless some special place where you pay for drink + sex deal place or drink + all people naked and play place. only few in seoul.
Start from 100,000 to 300,000 sex + dozen of beer + fruit + songs + all girls will naked as they come in (introduction we call)

6. Room salon - similar as Karaoke. Same as karaoke. Most expensive but girls are smart ( plenty of uni students)

7. Some motel girl - few places in Seoul (like western brothel style) Go in then you are lead to room. Madam or shop owner will
ask you what type of girl you after. you take a shower and wait few minutes girl will come to room. Start with tongue bath and heaps of oral follow by sex. Very nice room and girls. Also have porno channel.
Price 60,000 won = U$50

In Pusan there are exactly same options as Seoul.

Wherever you go I strongly suggest go with some Korean who has negotiate skills~~


If any one have any questions send me a mail to
deok0402@hotmail.com
I will be either Pusan or Seoul area.
I will connect you Korean guide for little cost if you need.

AMPM
06-02-02, 20:46
Love the color on the sex scene in Korea. I'm going to be in Korea next week to see a couple World Cup games. Good to see the prices haven't changed since last year. I was afraid that some places would raise the prices because of the World Cup. That still is not the case right? Is Chong Yang Yi (588) still the place to be or are there new hot spots in Seoul? Are you guys seeing a lot of foreigners flooding these places due to the games? Post back up here or you can always email me at ampm1200@hotmail.com I am a frequent poster on the Los Angeles forum.

Liondale
06-03-02, 22:02
Rdk ? Are you around?

Please tried to e-mail you, if you didn't get it please contact me at liondale@operamail.com

I am going to Seoul late next week. I am Korean but have never lived in Korea so I don't speak Korean. Does anyone have any tips for me or anyone who would care to join/guide me in exploring the "night-life" one evening? Please e-mail me...

- L -

Wolf
06-05-02, 11:34
Guys,
If you want to get only the service and not the massage at Capital Hotel Sport Massage, just say it to the Mama San or to the girl. Tell clearly : I want a gooood massage! Please make me feel good.
You will see the difference. First they won't bother with the regular massage. Second, the whole time will be spent only on your pleasure (about 45 mn). And if you don't like the girl, say it. Either ask the mama san for her best looking girl or send back the one you don't like.
At least it worked with me the 3 last time I went there (within the last 4 weeks).
Don't forget to offer a tip (and to give it afterwards). You'll see that the girl becomes much more enthousiastic. OK tip is 30,000 Won. Don't give more.
Best time to be there according to me = between 23h00 and 1h00.

If anybody knows other places of the same kind not too far from Itaewon, please let me know. And let's go together
If anybody in search of sharing a room salon (a good one), let me know as well.

Liondale
06-05-02, 20:59
Hey Wolf!

I could be interesting in sharing a room salon. Could you mail me please: liondale@operamail.com

Do you know what prices to expect? How it works etc...?

Anyone else interested may also mail.

BTW; If you happen to have or know where to get tickets for any of the world cup games you are more than welcome to contact me too :)

Wolf
06-06-02, 02:39
For the World Cup ticket, if you want to see the game France-Danemark in Incheon, go to the Novotel Hotel in Kangnam and ask for the officials from FFF. They sell the remaining tickets at discount prices (about 20% off face price).

As for the room salon, I have several ideas that I shall share with you soon.

In the meantime, if you know any place worth to try, let me know.

Liondale
06-06-02, 12:56
Hey Wolf and thanks for the tips of World Cup tickets. Unfortunately I won't be in Korea before Wednesday, but I assume they may still use Novotel as a base...

Here are some room salons another user tipped me about:
New York, New York...

it is in the Kangnam area...ask one of the locals where Chili's
Restaurant
is..there is only one in Kangnam...New York New York is lcoated
across the
street from Chili's Restaurant. Prices are rather steep I think, if two guys go together I was told to expect 400 - 450$ per person (guess this is USD). I was also told that at least one should be native korean - are you? I am korean but don't speak korean :)

Ok, that is what I know, please e-mail me so we can discuss closer.

helper
06-12-02, 05:51
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KoreaKlint
06-12-02, 06:52
Hey Seoulmate,

I e-mailed you at your specail hotmail account for getting together and checking out the scene in Seoul, but never got a reply from you.

For you guys that have been here since summer of 2000 till now: What in the hell has happened to the scence in Itaewon. That place used to be packed with local Korean girls looking to go home with Americans. My favorite spot was King Club. I go there now and its a barely half full on a weekend. Polly's Kettle House One and Two are remodeled and dead too. Has 9/11 and the curfew there drove away the girls? Is there any way around the curfew?

Seoulmate
06-13-02, 02:20
Originally posted by KoreaKlint
Hey Seoulmate,

I e-mailed you at your specail hotmail account for getting together and checking out the scene in Seoul, but never got a reply from you.


Please send it again as I have replied to every email
I have received!

clinteast
06-13-02, 21:35
to koreaclint;


Yeah I noticed that too. It not like the good old MASH days anymore in Korea. I guess it's because they are an industrialized nation now. I heard that the GDP per capita is now pretty much at par with that of Western Europe. It was really easy to pick up women back in the good old days when Korea was actually poor. There are still women who are attracted to white guys hanging at the bars, but only for sexual reasons. Korean girls going after Americans for money days are now over.

Hentaitic
06-14-02, 15:09
Fucked 2 korean gals in 2 diff locations in my recent trip to Seoul

First, directions:
1. Miari:
Stn No. 417, Gireum (on the Line 4:Light Blue)
Exit No. 10, entrance partly covered on your right

2. Yongjookul:
Stn Bulgwang (Stn 322 on line 3:orange or Stn 612 on line 6:brown -- it's an interchange)
Exit No. 5, walk about 10mins to the Shibu Bus Station, take bus #30 (1900won, 1 hour) tell driver to drop u at Yongjookul which is a market,
Then find the bridge that would take u across to 'Adult-Disneyland'

Secondly the differences:
1. Miari
It's the 'mummy' (old ladies) that would literally try to pull your arms off in order to get you inside to select their gals.
Once inside u choose yr gal as they each try in their own way to catch yr attention.
Open basically frm 8pm to 7am.

2. Yongjookul
The gals themselves do the hard work of running after u!!! They would literally storm out of their glass fronted rooms, if they catch u, they don't easily let go.
I just say, "ihe mote" -don't understand, or say that in English!
Open: 24hours I think, with outlets taking turn in their opening times!

The chosen gal:
1.Miari(70,000won, 30mins)
22yr old, A-jin (looks: 9/10)(h/p:011-750-9663)
Dress in a 2-piece attire, navel-bearing like those for belly dancers. Doesn't speak a word of English. Luckily I brought my "Making out in Korean by Peter Constantine" book. I couldn't understand her when she something with 'condom'was mentioned. Guess she must be asking whether I wanna do with condom or not. I think I said 'yes' so she went to get a condom from outside, and also some wet-tissues. Guess most customer do without condoms there.No showering, just a wipe here and there! At the same time, with the book I was able to compliment her on her looks, & that broke the ice. BJ w/o condom but still no frenching. So with book again, I asked, 'May I kiss you, u have such beautiful lips!' in Korean. Guess what, it worked!!! He He He!After that nothing was business-like anymore but she was intridgued by the book I had, as she took it from me several times, with such innocence it was really endearing!!! As I was leaving, told her, "I would never forget you"- I really meant it!

2.Yongjookul(60,000Won, 45mins)
18yr old, Kim Min Ji (looks 8/10)(H/p: 017-801-4602)
Chose her cos while other gals try too hard to pull you in, she just used her big, expressive eyes to 'pull' me in! I was hooked as she led me into her room by the arms!
Showered together, and then on the bed, after a trance-inducing BBBJ, she put me inside her, BARE!!! I was too weak to resist!!! In the trance-like sex,while frenching her deeply, I finally cum inside her.
"Would u marry me? I asked her with the help of the book again. That cracked her up! He He He!

Thanks, goes to the book again! I do sound like the book's promoter huh?

All in all, I would visit these 2 gals again if I had the chance. So hopefully with these info, you guys would find your own adventure in Korea.

Bill
06-16-02, 00:58
I found Miari Texas by info in this thread, but wish to add. Returning from Asia on KAL, I have a 10 hr layover. I took a bus from Incheon to Gimpo airport, about 45-60 min ride. About 4,000 won. At gimpo, took the subway to Gireum station after transferring once. You go to the cashier window, tell them your stop (Gireum), they will tell you how much and give you the ticket to stick in the machine. It spits it back out at you to take. The subway is very cheap, clean, safe, took about 1 hr 30 min.? 700won? Head directly north to the exit straight ahead at the end, do not take the left, as you will be across the street. A pocket compass always helps. Take the stairs to street level, there will be a green vinyl type curtain cover on your right about 30 feet ahead. It hangs down about to your chest. You made it. If you pass this entrance, there are about 2 or 3 more straight ahead on the same sidewalk. I strolled in about 1230 pm and it was deserted except people hosing the street down and then I was approached by a couple of aggressive mamasans. One dug her nails in my forearm and so I grabbed her the same way. She yelped, and then understood my non verbal message. I kept walking and only saw about 10 girls, chatting and eating. 2 were 9's the rest 5-8. So there is definitely afternoon pussy to be had, in the few open doored shops. The sign on many glass windows has 70,000 and 80,000 on them. I assumed this to be the price in won. Too jet lagged to get laid, and coming from asia with its cheap girls, and turned off by the aggressive mama's, I enjoy lunch at the Hyundai dept store food court. about 4 blocks up the same sidewalk, but across the street. Cheap and hearty and good. KAL sucks, they allowed some asshole to break into my luggage and steal camera and cash. Please learn from my mistake. Lesson: do not fly korean, do not keep valuables in your baggage. Pleasant travels... Bil

mastiff2002
06-16-02, 02:53
I will stay at Seoul from 24th to 27th June. I am looking for high quality girls. Can anyone help? Any information like escort service/call girls/room salon/hotel turkish bath? Please post your reply here or e-mail to me at hk169@hotmail.com. Thanks.

Aleatreiu
06-19-02, 15:33
Dear friends
I'm new i will be in seoul for 2 or 3 days in the start of july.
I would have some suggestion for a quick service (hand or blow) after sauna or massage.
I will stay at the sheraton is there any sauna god near there?
the hotel massage have this option?
Thank you in advance.

Chikan
06-19-02, 15:49
Bil,
Good directions......keep us informed of your progress and such. I agree about KAL.....even if I got a free ticket I wouldn't take the chance on them.....hmmmmm or would I? haha. Happy trails!

Anal Kiss
06-19-02, 19:42
<Review>

That's right Yongjookul is one of good places to visit in Seoul area.
Compare to 588 Yongjookul girls are similar but places much neat
and clean. Also you can take a shower before and after action.

There are other red-light district around Sung-nam area near the
subway station. Also shinkildong area as well.

Good hunting~~!

Anal Kiss
06-22-02, 21:36
<Review 2>

The best Karaoke bars in Seoul area is near Namdae moon.
There are number of bars around that area.

Tell you how these places works~~

Firstly you go in and oder beer or whisky, then madam will
come in with number of girls. You decide which one to be
your partner and let her know.

From then you will have crazy party in private room.
All people have to be naked in that room. girls and guys~~~
lots of touching.... playing each other..... drink..... sing a song...
etc. no sex (but if you want sex you have to take the girl out...)

Most of them are 8-10 good looking girl.

For me that was rare & exciting exprience.... all my friends and partners naked and play together.... haha~~


I will put some more review stories pretty soon until then bye guys~~

Spotted Dick
06-23-02, 12:34
analkiss, as I live in Seoul I would be curious to know if by "karaoke bars" you are referring to the room salons in Bukchang-dong. I have found those to be great fun but VERY expensive (W400,000 or so for a blowjob). You described the karaoke bars as W100,000 to W300,000 including sex.

Point the way!


Originally posted by analkiss
<Review 2>

The best Karaoke bars in Seoul area is near Namdae moon.
There are number of bars around that area.

Seoulman
06-24-02, 16:30
hey guys..
you guys who went to yongjookul, are you guys Korean American, or Asian decent??

Because never had heard of hookers calling foreigners into there shops, usually they just ignore you!..
and call OPPA OPPA!!!!

please let me know about this guys..
and also foreigner guys have you guys been rejected before?
NO FOREIGNERS!!!..I have been to most sex districts, and they are not friendly towards us...and many of my friends have been rejected too...we are young and goodlooking, they just don't like foreigners I guess...

seol tang
06-25-02, 19:04
Hi,
I went to check out Yougjookul the other night.
I' m caucasion, older, heavy but polite and well dressed.
There were lots of attractive girls around and the area was not busy. However I was refused or ignored at every room even tho' I was fairly persistant.

I'm not sure if this was related to my age, weight or race. Anyway, make what you will of this post. It may save you a trip to an area that except for the red light district has little of interest to offer.

On the other hand the girls were very attractive so you might want to take a chance. Just make sure you have time to get the last bus back to Seoul or you'll spend a boring night in this scruffy
little town

clinteast
06-26-02, 05:21
man that sucks

Lighter9000
06-26-02, 16:30
About the red-light districts and foreigners.

Many koreans, hookers included, are under the impression that foreigners are full of diseases. There is common propanganda that all foreigners carry some type of STD.

This is why many of them refuse or ignore you.

The only way around it is a) learn a few phrases in Korean to be able to say "I am clean, don't have STD and will use a condom" or b) go with a Korean.

The alternatives are a) the "call girl cards" or b) Itaewon.

Your options for the call girl cards are this, Seoul and most korean cities have many places called "Love Hotels" these are cheap hotels basically used for sex. If you give a card to the concierge he will call for you... problem is you will pay more.. The Room + Girl + whatever the concierge takes off the top. Best way is to ask him "Ol Mah Yo?" and get him to write down the answer. It will be the price in won.

For Itaewon, as you know there are tons of juicy girls. One club has some girls that are 8-10's. Its called Paradise its at the very top of the hill then round the corner. Walk up the hill, there is a regular bar called "Stompers" on the left.. go a little past it then turn right. Paradise is there. Its small, but, the girls are real girls, most are hot and you can negotiate them down. And its all about the sex in there. They speak enough english too. Just tell them what you want and they won't fuck around with the buying drink shit. Some might refuse full sex, but you can get a bareback bj for 50,000 and she'll let you cum in her mouth. Just remember to negotiate they will ALWAYS try to high ball you. If they ask for a drink they'll start at 20.. say no and they'll offer 10. They'll start at like 80,000 for a bj and you can get them down to 50,000. Just remember for them, some money is better than NO money. Full sex will run you about 100-120. But these girls are mostly hot.

And for a C) Yongsan girls will fuck most foreigners. The A row chicks won't.. but the B row will and there are some 8-9's there. Just don't bareback them because they fuck mostly GI's. And its only 60-70 thousand.

Oh as a final aside.. if you are half-way good-looking, you can pick up regular girls at regular bars in Itaewon. Many speak english and are looking for foreign boyfriends and/or sex. Just don't be shy, march up to them and start talking. You'll be amazed at how easy it is. Its more work, as in, you may have to go 2-3 dates before you get any.. but its free (technically).

And by half-way decent looking, I mean just that.. many Korean girls are attracted only to status and/or anything that isn't a Korean man. Having fair hair and blue eyes helps. I can't count how many times I've been asked in a dark bar "You have blue eyes right?" Koreans are obsessed with western eyes.. they hate their eyes. If you don't believe me, walk around Seoul and look around, you'll see innumerable HOT korean girls with the dopiest looking white guys... white guys who would NEVER get a chick that hot where they are from.

Happy hunting. Any questions and I'll post a response.

helper
06-27-02, 09:54
Ok guys, here some Seoul/Korea info for those of you with higher standards.

www.geocities.com/songtan_son/seoul

Any additional info/suggestions welcome.

Sorry about the many typos but this was just a lunchtime-and-I-was-bored thing.

PS. HUI & Crew - if you read this, this one's for you! See you in HK soon.

Your friend,

M. (YM)

Cavechu
06-29-02, 16:38
Helper

if you wanna be a PIMP then put some REAL pictures of Korean *****s on your web pages. If you gonna do it then DO IT RIGHT DUDE, not a half ass shit!

Anal Kiss
06-29-02, 19:58
I heard from my friend there are some place near Kang Nam
Karaoke bars offering strip-show, drink, finally sex less than 150000 won. Hot news....
I may find out from my friend and try there myself first....

Also Bukchang-dong defends on your discount skill and if you
are regular it will be much cheaper.

In Pusan there are few dozens of Karaoke bars do all for
only 110000 won.





[、クQUOTE]Originally posted by SeoulSurvivor
analkiss, as I live in Seoul I would be curious to know if by "karaoke bars" you are referring to the room salons in Bukchang-dong. I have found those to be great fun but VERY expensive (W400,000 or so for a blowjob). You described the karaoke bars as W100,000 to W300,000 including sex.

Point the way!

[/QUOTE]

Anal Kiss
06-29-02, 20:19
Review3

Last night I went out to check the quality of girls at brothel around Seoul Yongsan station, cheongranglee 588, Yongjookul,
and nearby Yongjookul(4-5 kms away from Yongjookul).

I found Cheongranglee 588 has most beautiful girls.....

I was bit disappointed by Yongjookul 2AM. Place was so busy .
I beautiful ones aleady taken I guess. Few 6-7s around they
were so depressed didn't strongly call us in behave themselves toward.....
Normally they were so aggressive to spoil us to come in.

Also Bubwonlee 22 were pretty similar as Yongjookul.

If you guys go there I advise to go earlier. Otherwise you will
end up with some girl doesn't have attitude and not that beautiful.


Yong san was OK some good ones at main road.

I had good looking absolutely 9-10s ones at Cheongranglee 588.


Goog hunting~~~


Some more tips about Love hotel where provide girl.
There are few nearby Nam dae moon market.
One sex with great sucking only cost 55,000 won if you go
bit late around 2-3 AM there are special price 90,000 won for
two sex(different girl) and sleep until next day. What are great
price. Some girls really good but mostly 6-8s....
They have good sucking skills toe to head specially they put tounge in your ass ~~~ haha~~

I have to say good bye to everyone... I off to Sydney on tuesday~~~
Enjoy while you guys stay in Korea....
I hope my post may help you guys~~

I also have great info about Pusan area..... Because I born &
grow up this city..... I should say I'm master that city as well....

Spotted Dick
06-30-02, 04:31
analkiss,

If you find the 150,000 won places in Kangnam, please advise. I like the strip-show and the drink, but also like the idea of fucking the girls in the room. That would be a great find.

Also, if you can point out some good places in Pusan, sometimes I do get down there too.

Although I speak Korean pretty well, there is nothing like a native to steer the way.


Originally posted by analkiss
I heard from my friend there are some place near Kang Nam
Karaoke bars offering strip-show, drink, finally sex less than 150000 won. Hot news....
I may find out from my friend and try there myself first....

Also Bukchang-dong defends on your discount skill and if you
are regular it will be much cheaper.

In Pusan there are few dozens of Karaoke bars do all for
only 110000 won.

clinteast
06-30-02, 05:38
To lighter9000:

I agree with you on the most part, but I have to admit that you have to be pretty good-looking to get Korean chicks the way you have mentioned. Walking around Seoul, I have seen some really good-looking white guys with some really ugly-ass korean girls. It seems that the hotter Korean girls are more repelled by the foreigners. I have to however, point out some cultural differences. From my experiences living in Korea for over 10 years, I have pretty much learned that Korean girls prefer clean, shaven, skinny guys that are somewhat femine for western standards. If you look like Brad Pitt or Mel Gibson, you are out of luck, but if you look like leonardo Dicaprio, or members of some boy band, you could be very successful with the Korean ladies. In other words, it not too great to be macho in Korea. Some of the successful Korean guys that are favorable to the Koreans are indeed feminea and even pretty and these are the faggots that hogg all the Korean beauties. We might not think that these guys are attractive based on our cultural background that idealizes the attractiveness of guys on machoness, but it sure is different here, so might have this on the back of you head before any attempts at reeling in a Korean babe.

clinteast
06-30-02, 05:43
A wise word for everybody, I always got refused for sex when I told them I was an American, but after I told them I was from holland, I had never been refused. They really love the dutch after thier soccer coach Hiddink.

Lighter9000
06-30-02, 16:15
Hey Fellas,

I was in Itaewon friday night so here is my report.

I just went to one of the regular bars I mentioned in my previous post with some friends. Unfortunately, things weren't working out, as there weren't enough girls around and/or approachable girls (you know what I mean, a girl sitting with 4 friends is alot harder to pull than a girl standing alone). Anyone, only one of us picked up (whereas last week all of us picked up, just number exchange though, a few kisses, no sex).

You may or may not know that most nightclubs/bars stay open real late, like till 6-7am. Anyhow, we left around 4am and went our seperate ways. As I was rather pissed off at not getting any decent opportunities to pick-up I headed around the corner to hooker-hill.

Now the interesting part, I've been up and down "The Hill" at numerous times of day and night and usually the selection is pretty crap (see my previous post). From around 10pm-2am you see the standard ghouls trying to beckon you into their little juice bars.. these are the ghouls in the mini-skirts and tube tops with the fat guts and caked on makeup... at 4am none of these creatures were to be seen. Many of juice bars were closed, the street (second half of the hill) was empty of, except for a few passerby's but most of the doorways were filled with girls.. 3-4 per door of the places that were open. Now, for some reason most of these girls were REALLY REALLY hot.. I'm talking 8-10's here. So I walked up the hill, I was planning on going to Paradise and when I rounded the corner all was dark.. the three-four juice bars there were closed so I turned around and started the slow stroll back. Several girls were giving me the eye but didn't say anything.. then I walk by "The Rose" and this very petite extremely cute girl asks me to come talk (as usual). So I walk over and she brings me inside.. and immediately is extremely affectionate and warm.. asks for a 20k drink which I refuse... I decided to get right to the point and asked "what will you do for me?" and then she asked If I wanted to go to her place. I asked her "how much?" and she said 120. Anyway, I got her down to 100,000 but she said I needed to buy a drink or the mamasan would get pissed, so really 110,000. So I pay and she tells me to wait around the corner.. so I do.. she appears and takes me to her place which is no more than 2 minutes away. Oh I forgot to mention she said the 100,000 was for 40 minutes or we could go the rest of the night for 300... I took the first option.

Anyhow, the 110,000 was extremely well spent because she was extremely affectionate and relaxed, not rushed. She iniated kissing with me which was a major bonus. This girl was about a 8-9 btw... gorgeous face with a slender but not bony frame. She did everything... even let me eat her out for about 15 minutes.. which is something I really dig. She was mostly shaven too. Condom was mandatory however. (again, I think this stems from the "foreigners have aids" thing.) When finished she got a towel and cleaned me off, helped me get dressed then gave me a kiss goodnight. Definately thinking of making a repeat trip.

So, for whatever reason, late late night in Itaewon seems to bring out some of the hotter chicks.. it may be because they don't want to fuck GI's, since the GI's have a 1am curfew or some other reason. It may have just been an anomaly... but I'll try it again next friday or the one after and see what the story is.

Cheers.

Cavechu
06-30-02, 19:15
lighter9000

good field report! thanks for taking the effort to share with the board. happy hoing and take care!

AMPGuest

Seoulman
07-01-02, 11:39
well I see now why Analkiss gets laid so much!!
he is korean!!!!!

you see it's much easier for koreans to laid here..acually the korean *****s will shagg a retarded korean grandfather..over us!
Analkiss, in the future could you please post places that accept foreigners!!!
thank you!!!

Spotted Dick
07-01-02, 14:50
seoulman,

They would rather shag a retarded Korean grandfather than you... not me. I don't have much trouble getting accepted wherever it is -- from Chongyang-ni 588 to the best room salons. It's a very rare thing to be refused.

I think there's something else going on. I'm young(ish), neatly groomed and dressed, and I speak Korean with a smile. Do you speak Korean? That would help a bunch.

It's not fair to say that Korean *****s are anti-foreigner. They are just not as willing to throw a foreigner a break. There's a difference.

Anal Kiss
07-01-02, 14:58
Seoulman.....

I've born here but spent most of my time out-side....
But I can speak perfect Korean.....

As I said there are plenty of places to explore in Korea....

After World cup match lots of places open to foreigners, but
most of them still afraid of taking foreigners.

I recomend you should go with Korean friend to sort that trouble
out for you. Last time I took 6 Americans to one of brothel,
we had no serious problems that time except one girl refuse to
take his partner after saw his cock~~ haha~~

I'm not so sure about the places where accept foreigners.
Sorry for not much help for you guys~~
If I take foreigners as my friend to any places it will be out of
worries.... So firstly make Korean male friend, most of them
likes that kind of play as far as I concern....

Seoulman
07-02-02, 07:52
hey seoulsurvivor!how are you?
do you even get laid with the glamour beauties at 588, and shinyoungsan??

I mean the A row girls!!?

I am young goodlooking, speak alittle korean!! but the girls I usually want don't look at me... some times they say come in!! well I have only been to these places once or twice..I usually get laid everyweekend in Itaewon or Hongdae!
I don't have problem getting girls..
but I like to shagged hookers...
something about paying for it, and they will do what I say!...

sometimes me and my friend will cruise down for eye shopping, and the girls don''t say shit to us!!,,the ugly ones say hey hey come here,,NO THANKS!!!!
maybe I am not be aggressive!!
what do you do?..do you just walk up to the girl you like and say hi???

whats your aproach?..have you been refused before???

would liek hear about your experiences
cheers mate...

Spotted Dick
07-02-02, 11:54
At 588 yes -- have rarely had a problem getting the ones I want, but maybe I like the ones that aren't "glamour beauties." Certainly haven't been disappointed. I especially go for the tanning-booth beauties who've baked themselves all dark and crispy. That almost-black skin accented by neon-colored skintight pants and a thong panty... mm mm good.

At Shinyongsan, sometimes the "A row girls" are snooty. But that I attribute to the increased frequency of soldiers whose behaviour might not be so good. Anyway, if refused by a prostitute... so what? It's not like there aren't 1000 other girls right there.

Alex20
07-02-02, 14:32
I would like to know what is the best place to have a massage in a parlour room. I do not need to have a massage with a blind women, I just direct want to have a great agassi.What is the rate and how long it last.
I heard from the Capitol hotel but i do not think this is an attractive place. I do not want to be disappointed.
Please give me your advice and detail.

Play3er
07-05-02, 03:48
Hi guys

I'll be arriving in Seoul this Sunday and was wondering whether you guys could provide some details on where should I go for a relaxing massage and followed by some action. I'll be staying in the Renaissance hotel (don't have the street address with me, within the Kangnam-gu area, I think), is there any karaoke/room places where we meet girls, have some drinks and get stripped and then decide whether to bring them back (I think you know what I mean?)

As I'll be going to Itaewon to buy some gifts (to bring back home), do you have any recommendaitons for the afternoon or this place rocks only during the night?

Any comments is appreciated.

helper
07-06-02, 07:05
Drop me a line at songtan_son@yahoo.com and I'll try to help ya out.

helper
07-07-02, 06:03
Play3er,

I got your yahoo mail and I sent you a reply but I can't get into yahoo for some reason today. I'll be headed to Kangnam and maybe even Itaewon tonight, so give me a call.

Helper

www.geocities.com/songtan_son/seoul

Play3er
07-07-02, 15:31
Helper - Thanks for your mail. I am also having difficulties accessing my yahoo account. I'm afraid I can't call you as I didn't jot down your number (left it in the Inbox).

Anyway, I managed to get the free shuttle service to Itaewon and did some shopping/look see but not much activity as this is early evening we are talking about. Had a quick dinner at the Burger King (fancied some fast food) and then decided to follow my plan of visiting the sites mentioned in this board such as NamDaeMun market, Yongsan station area, MiaLee (Gireum station) and Songnam red light (near Sin Yeong station).

So, for my first day (on the advise of analkiss), took a sub to HoehYeon station (#425, line 4) and got off and exited to the NamDaeMun market. Quite a lot of stalls selling fake goods, clothing, food and seaweed :) Noticed that only locals around. Went searching for the 'love hotels' and found some in a stretch opposite Gate 5 of the market. Went to Hotels like Rex, Palace, New Korea, Evergreen and asked for service (in English) and got blank looks. After a hard time, gave up (guess you have to speak the language as analkiss does). Proceeded back to Itaewon and since it is dark now, able to look at more of the pubs and finally decided to have a drink at the UN club. Not much to look, probably still early and jet lag starting to kick in, decided to leave Itaewon and head back to hotel in Gangnam.

Will try to go to Yongsan tomorrow night to continue with my trail! Now going to go out for supper and check out the Gangnam area!

Play3er
07-07-02, 15:37
SeoulSurvivor - How can one get to 588? Is it possible by sub? Also, Sinyongsan, do you mean the Songnam (SinYeong station) area or is it some place new as I would also like to check out these places? Appreciate your reply.

Spotted Dick
07-08-02, 07:21
588 is as simple as hopping a cab and saying Five Eight Eight -- or rather, in Korean: "Oh-Pall-Pall" (as if pall rhymed with "ball"). From your hotel the cab ride should be an extortionate W12,000-15,000 (about $12). Or you can take the subway or national rail to the Cheongnyangni station (Line 1 of the Seoul Subway). When you find the Lotte Department Store, you're golden.

Some of the 588 girls will cheekily ask for W100,000 -- US$80 -- but most of them will go for W70,000. I think even that price is a premium, as I expect drooling grandfathers may pay W60,000. C'est la vie.

Shinyongsan is just on the other side of the US Army post from Itaewon. You were _so_ close. It's on Line 4 (the Blue line), then head for Exit #2 if I recall correctly.

I myself would be interested in room salon drunken grab-ass, if you have time. That's about W300,000 - W500,000 per person, full-course.


Originally posted by play3er
SeoulSurvivor - How can one get to 588? Is it possible by sub? Also, Sinyongsan, do you mean the Songnam (SinYeong station) area or is it some place new as I would also like to check out these places? Appreciate your reply.

Lighter9000
07-08-02, 12:00
Player:

Stop tips for Itaewon.

Don't go to the UN club, its a hole. If you want regular bars in Itaewon, I really only recommend two. Before Midnight, go to either Gecko's or Hollywood Grill.

Gecko's is right across the street from the Burger King, Hollywood is on the KFC side of street and a little to the east.

AFTER, midnight, if you want a regular bar go to the Hollywood Basement (Basement of the Hollywood Grill). The place is packed between about 12:30-5am, its all foreigners and korean girls. Generally, korean men are refused entry, so its just the foreigners and the korean girls.. oh, and a handful of seriously ugly white foreign chicks. These are regular girls though, but like I said, most of the ones that go there speak some english and are there to meet foreign men, plain and simple. As a side note, korean girls are generally attracted to money and success. So, if you tell them you're rich and have a successful career you will be all the more attractive to them.

Secondly, if you're looking the pay type action in Itaewon, you have to walk the hill. Hooker Hill. If you want to start at the very bottom, go to the Burger King, look across the street at Gecko's then head south. (In that direction there is an SK Telecom shop on the corner). Walk down the road and make your first left. That is the bottom of hooker hill. What you'll see first is alot of food stalls selling all variety of street-meat. Just keep walking straight.. you're in the midst of things now and will start seeing scantily clad girls and will hear the beckoning. Just avoid the ghouls and look for the hot ones. They do exist, trust me. See my other posts about dealing with the juice girls. In my experience, paying between 100-120 for them was much more worth the money than paying 60-70 for one of the street-side girls in Yongsan or Miari. Also, the Itaewon full-service girls (not all do full service, gotta ask, be upfront they don't care) are much less trafficked than the red-light girls. Itaewon girls do MAYBE 1 guy per night (full service) and they only work maybe 3 nights a week.. the red-light girls are heavily trafficked.

Cheers.

Ho Man
07-09-02, 07:14
Could someone tell me the best place for a foreigner to go to get a massage from a "blind" person, followed by sugar from the honey? also, as i infrequently visit seoul, directions to aforesaid establishment will be appreciated. Assume that I will be starting from Itaewon subway.

Furthermore, directions from Itaewon to the Dynasty Hotel would also be helpful. :)

Play3er
07-09-02, 07:24
lighter9000 - Thanks for the tip. As I'll be planning a trip to either Yongsan/Songnam tonight to check it out, will let you know what I think of it.

Checked out the Gangnam area last night and mostly beer hofs (can't remember which one I went but certainly had a beer too many!) and some night clubs, 'clean' karaokes. Unable to speak the language certainly has limitations as I'm pretty sure they have the room salons there but just didn't know which establishment! Was approached by a pimp on the road and quoted prices like 150-200K for drinks and the girl to follow back to hotel.

Asked to see the girls and he said to follow him. So, followed him until reach an underground entrance and he ushered me into a room and then mamasan came in and started talking in Korean and some broken English! Asked to see the girls and she brought in 3 girls (6's), asked anymore and she said most girls with customers. Didn't quite believe that she had many more, so politely declined and quickly left the place. It was an experience as the entrance/exit was a big iron door! Imagined the door being locked and you can't get out! After that, whenever, approached by pimps, politely declined as (even though have the curiousity to check it out) thought of being locked up in a similar place was too frightening!

Also, saw many calling cards slipped by the parked cars along the alleys and collected some and made some calls from the hotel. Generally they charge 150K for 1 hour (according to the 'receptionist', the girls are aged 21 to 23 with big boobs). Was comtemplating but then I thought, why spend it on an hour if one can get it for 2 girls + whole night in Bangkok (my economic sense was prevailing).

However, that may change when I check out Songnam/Yongsan tonight but from lighter9000's advise, I may have better luck in Itaewon (which I intend to go tomorrow night again!).

BugsBunny
07-09-02, 16:36
Hi all-- Well, I just arrived in Seoul this evening, but did not have time to do any planning. I was just looking over the recent posts and hope to get out tomorrow night and check things out. I really need to pick up a map to sort out these directions though. If I knew where I was going, I would head out yet tonight.

I am staying near the city center (Westin Hotel) and if there is any further advise for someone staying in this area, please pass along.

Thanks in advance!!

JOJO
07-10-02, 00:29
Looking for suggestions for hotels in the mid price range in central Seoul. I have checked the WSG inputs but accommodations have not been addressed. Any help is appreciated for my mid-Sept 3 day visit.

Teazian
07-10-02, 01:41
Originally posted by ho man
Could someone tell me the best place for a foreigner to go to get a massage from a "blind" person, followed by sugar from the honey? also, as i infrequently visit seoul, directions to aforesaid establishment will be appreciated. Assume that I will be starting from Itaewon subway.

Furthermore, directions from Itaewon to the Dynasty Hotel would also be helpful. :)

I got massages in the room by blind lady several times at the Marriott Hotel.
2 sessions (about 90 minutes) cost you 75K with no extra $$$ for the final firework.

Ho Man
07-10-02, 02:37
teazian

thanks for the info. is the marriott far from itaewon? also, when you say "in the room", does that mean you were staying at the marriott, or do you mean a "massage room"?

sorry for my seeming ignorance - but thanks in advance for your help.

Play3er
07-10-02, 08:13
Went to Yongsan/SinYongSan area last night and walked through the various 'mini rooms' of the girls with all the girls calling out to you. Price range from 40,000 to 60,000 (is this the normal price range?) Saw a couple of 8's but mostly 6s. After surveying the area, negotiated with one of the 8s (55,000) and escorted to a room behind. Came to a small room and immediately felt uncomfortable as there were a couple of guys squatting down near the rooms and they were speaking quite loudly to the girl, asking her questions (I presume).

Whatever appetite I had was gone when the girl started pointing at me while speaking to them. So, to avoid any untoward incident (on me, it could be me getting paranoid) I decided to make an excuse saying that I needed to buy cigarettes and quickly headed out of the door and got out of the area while sidestepping the various 'mamas' on the street trying to grab hold of you. One even followed me until I got on the taxi! It was certainly an experience!

Went back to Gangnam area to have a couple of beers and to relax myself. Managed to check out the music rooms and usually it is about 30 to 40K per hour (with a lady accompanying you in the room). While walking back to my hotel saw a few lookers coming out of this place called Iris and they sure looked like 10s to me and they dressed rather like executives! These are the chicks that I'm talking about! Went in there and the y were closing. Rats! Will try to check it out tonight!

ho man - Marriott is in downtown Seoul. You can either take a cab or subway. As for directions from Itaewon to Dynasty Hotel, here goes, Presuming there is no other Dynasty Hotel but the one opposite of Ritz-Carlton in Gangnam, then you would need to take a subway from Itaewon station (heading to Bonghwasan end) and change at Yaksu station to Line 3 (Orange) and go to Seoul National University of Edu. station (Suseo end). Change to Line 2 (Green) and the next stop is Gangnam station (#222). Once you reach the station, check out the map where Ritz Carlton is (Apologize as don't know the street name), and Dynasty is located opposite of it.

BugsBunny
07-10-02, 13:43
Forgive how uninformed I am coming here, but I have no local friends to guide me. Looks like I'm going to have a tough time... In looking at the posts here, it seems that if you are a foriegner and don't speak Korean (that's me), you are pretty limited on your options.

Tell me if I have things right here. In this situation, you basically can:
a) hit Iteawon and walk "the hill"
b) hit Iteawon and try Paradise
c) hit Chonyangni 588
d) hit Yongsan ("B row" of course)

Am I missing something?

Also, I'm interested in hitting a Turkish (Turkey) Bath, but saw no references here and didn't really know how to recognize one (yes, this is my first trip to Seoul).

Are there other option for foriengers who don't speak Korean?

Lighter9000
07-11-02, 06:41
Bugs:

a) and b) are the same. "Walking" the hill simply means walking up the hill and deciding which juice bar to go into. The girls usually stand in the doorway so you can get a look at them. They will either beckon you or smile etc. Paradise just happens to be one of the number of juice bars.

By juice bar, I mean this, you go in and the girl sits next to you. In all cases she will get real cosy with you, snuggle up, fondle you etc. You order a drink (regular price) and then she'll ask for one. She'll start at 20,000, just say no, the lowest they'll go generally is 10,000. Depending on the girl, some drink hard liquor neat, others different stuff, but always 10k. Never beer. Hard Liquor in a regular joint is usually 6000 anyhow. Now, you can either sit and drink and talk with this lady.. and she can suck more cash from you or you can move negotiations on further. In some cases I've never even bought a drink.. just sat down, negotiated and left. Not all the girls do full service. Ifs thats what you want, ask. Otherwise most will definately do HJ or BBBJ. Keep in mind the BBBJ is usually IN the bar (the seating is partitioned with high walls in all these places, most are small and cramped).

If you're after more than just company, make sure you ask before you buy her too many drinks. Some chicks are more than happy to just suck 10k girly drinks from you and do nothing. Others will offer to hand, suck, screw you. Depends on the lady. If you get full service, she'll take you to a place nearby, less than 5 min walk. I'm not positive, but there MIGHT be a barfine involved. Last time I got FS on HH I negotiated her down to 100k, but she said the mamasan needed a 20k "tax". BTW, these places also take credit-cards... a couple of time's I used mine because I was drunk after the regular bars and horny as hell and low on cash. Never had a problem with it.

As for redlight districts... you have many choices.. you have 588, Yongsan, Miari, Seongnam.

Turkey Bath is in the basement of the Dynasty Hotel I think.. never been.

Anyhow, you can find directions and reports to all the RLD's in Seoul on this board. Make sure you check the archives -- 2001-2002. Its all in there. You can get girls as a foreigner in any of the RLD's... just not the 10's. My honest opinion is to avoid them, yes they are the cheapest for sex (50-60-70) but these girls are heavily trafficked by mostly koreans and usually go bareback.

Player:

What "calling card" did you call where you were able to speak with an english "receptionist", I've never found one that spoke any amount of english.

Also, 40,000 is pretty low for Yongsan, are you especially handsome/young? Or were the girls offering 40 of lower quality? What day/time was it and was the area busy? I suppose it all comes down to supply and demand... slow nite = 40k better than nothing.

General Tip:

Any area around Itaewon Monday-Friday (this includes Yongsan) is better after 1am. Reason being is that the GI's have a 1am curfew, the MP's sweep the area looking for anyone breaking the curfew and snap them up. Generally most GI's obey the curfew, so after 1am you have the pick of the litter and the girls are generally more receptive to you. Because a) its slower and b) they know you're not a GI.

GI's have a fairly bad reputation in Korea for a variety of reasons. Most koreans hold a good deal of resentment. Most recently two korean schoolgirls were crushed to death by a US APC. So many girls ask where you are from... to get better service I'd suggest not saying you're American. English, Canadian, Dutch, Australian... they like.

So if the girl says: "MEE GOOK?"
Say: "AH NEE YO, KANADA SAH RAM"

It seems to help. They nearly always ask.

Play3er
07-11-02, 09:15
Hi guys

I'm out of the country. Now in Singapore. Thanks for the tips and sure had a good 'learning' experience. May be back in August and hope to have more time too!

Didn't do too much on last night as worked until quite late around 10PM (cos had to make sure everything was done, this was a business trip anyway :) !). Colleagues took me for dinner and then took me to buy some local Korean goods for souveniours. Amazing that the shopping mall opened 24 hours! By the time arrived back in hotel was about 1AM and by the time I packed all my stuff it was around 2:30AM. Didn't feel like going out again and since Iris was closed (also, just took my bath :) ) and I have to be up by 6AM to catch the airport limo bus, so reserve some cash for my Thailand trip! Till next time guys!

Lighter9000 - Your tips have been a great help! Much appreciated! The number is 019 837 5924. Questions that I asked were, how much for massage? How long? What does it include (Reply was Massage, BJ and FS)? Girl, how old? Want big breast and pretty, not pretty send back, ok? How long to come hotel? These questions pretty much get what I'm looking for. Of course there are other numbers if you want cos I collected some of these cards and thought of showing it to my buddies.

Explorer88
07-11-02, 12:27
Adding a note to Lighter's comments, I walked the Hill once and wound up in a juice bar with all deaf girls. Very eager though.

Negotiated to bring one back to my hotel for the night after two beers (for myself). Paid for the two beers and the bar fine with credit card. Bill should have been $50. When the statement came, the charge recorded was $600.

Luckily, had the receipt as I was expensing it as dinner!

Careful where you use your credit cards.

clinteast
07-11-02, 18:12
lighter9000:

You are right on the mark when you talked about faking your nationality. We Americans have bad reputation here thanks to the retarded GIs. I hope that Koreans realize that we are not all like the GIs as most of us are refined and well-behaved. They should realized by now that these GIs are [Racial Expletive Deleted by Admin] that no one, not even an average American would deal with. [Racial Expletive Deleted by Admin] They claim they are here to protect the Koreans from the North based on some irrational ideology and they think they are heroes or patriots, well guess what, the real American patriots are out in Afghanistan and Koreans can defend themselves against an enemy that's 20 times poorer than them. Most of these GIs are unbelievably cocky even though they are [Racial Expletive Deleted by Admin]. And as most of you know it is the [Racial Expletive Deleted by Admin] people of society that makes a nation look bad as they send condescending attitudes toward people of other nationality. I see it as a pathetic defensive mechanism based on their own inferiority that they garnered when they were in the states. They need to be condescending to others just as others (most other Americans) had been condescending to them.

As a intelligent American that have been working in Korea for two years as a constrution engineer, I'm deeply ashamed for the American GI's behavior. When I was young, I had deep reveration for GIs, but it was different back then, we had normal, hard-working Americans volunteering to become GIs like Ted Williams, but now we have drug-addicts and high-schools drop outs. It seems that my Korean friends both males and females all have little or no respect for the GIs. They always talk about their rude behaviors and lack of intelligence. I heard that most of them can't even solve simple algebraic equations, and to them calculus is Einstein's theory of relativity. When a Korean girl asks me where I'm from I always tell them I'm Canadian or Dutch-their favorite.

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited in accordance with the WSG Forum's Zero Tolerance policy regarding reports containing racial expletives.

Cavechu
07-11-02, 21:04
MAC

Do you have any pictures of places and girls you are talking about? Do you have a web page? TIA

BugsBunny
07-12-02, 13:56
lighter

Thanks for the many helpful hints. I ventured out on Wednesday night and have not had time until now to post about it. I went to Iteawon and walked the hill, quickly figuring out that there is only juicy bars there. I had though there might also be girls avaialble like in the RLD in Amsterdam.

So I got there about 1:15am and saw someone who was obviously a GI out after cerfew leaving the scene quickly. Pretty funny. I walked up the hill and took a look. Things were relativly quite and somewhat subdued. There was a group of US MPs near the top of the hill. On the way back down I stopped in to a girl I saw on the way up and found attractive. I'd say 7-8, but I like the slim ones, so higher in my book.

Went in and she immediately closed the door behind us. There was only two tables in the place, no partitions. Venus is the name I think. Mindy was the girl's name. Anyhow, bought a beer and went ahead and bought a drink for her. I sort of like letting them come to me a bit, even if I do drop 10k won.

Anyhow, she was nice a cuddly and asked about me. This is where things were a bit strange. Not keeping my head on (so to speak) I told her I was from the US and she had no problem with it. Probably since I was still dressed for work activities and am pretty clean cut. She obviously saw me as a rich sack to raid. When she discovered I work for a big US company and I was staying at the Westin Chosun while here, she started getting petty hungry.

So she was stroking me and then starts giving me a BBBJ. Not a bad start, I'm thinking.

So she asks if I want to make love to her. I was loking for exactly that and said yes. We started negotiating price and here is where the info about me came back to bite me. She asked 300k won. I wasn't going for that and started pulling it down. She was pretty insistent and wouldn't go below 200k, including a drink for her.

Counting the money I had with me, I found I only had 150k. I didn't bring any creadit cards with me (good thing). Anyhow, she says OK and we undress (the rest of the way since we were both about naked at this point anyhow). We are in the juice bar, but alone, so space is not a problem. Being 6"5", cramped spaces don't go well with me. So first thing she does is bend over for me to come in from behind. This surprised a bit based on other posts, but I certianly was not going to complain.

Anyhow, had a good run, but didn't last as long as I would have liked -- its been a while. She was enthusiastic, which works for me. In the end, she was definitely wanting me to visit again and offered to go on a date, presumably to spend the night with me at the hotel she is so impressed with. She gave me her number and repeated a number of time that I can't forget her and that I need to call her to have some fun. I just might stilll...

In the end, I blew 175k won (I think I missed another drink I bought her in along the way). Perhpas a bit expensive, but a good experiance for me.

This was definitely different than Amsterdam where is is much more impersonal and standard process -- suck a bit (with condom) then missionary fuck in most cases.
I'm tempted by the cheaper prices, but liked the juice bar style. Are the juice bars other than in Itaewon?

So that's the story. Can anyone tell me what I shoud expect if I call her and try to negotiate a night together? How much should I expct to pay, and how much is more than usual?

Thanks for all the great posts in this area!!!

Lighter9000
07-13-02, 11:06
Bugs:

Glad you find your way around alright and managed to have a good time. 175k isn't so bad. Its within the normal range of what the girls ask in Itaewon. (Anywhere between 100-300) and because you smelled of money she probably high-balled you. Anyway, I've never taken an Itaewon girls Long Term, so can't help you there. I'd imagine she'd want between 300-500 for all night or so. But did you like her enough to put up with her all night for a "date"? Personally I'd shop around.

As far as I know there are no other juice bars in the same vein as Itaewon in Seoul.

There are many Room Salons/Business Rooms that are similar but these are more expensive. Most Room Salons charge 500k-1mill and that doesn't necessarily include sex. Some Business Rooms only charge 40,000 for a girl to come and drink with you, but again, not sure on the procedure there for moving negotiations onward.

If you're willing to shop around, you can definately get 8's and 9's in Itaewon from between 120-150k, thats including drinks and barfines.

And like you said, its much different from Amsterdam, I've screwed the RLD Amsterdam chicks too and found it far too mechanical and assembly-line like. The Korean chicks tend to get into more and do their best to make you feel comfortable.

And too anyone else.. it all depends what you want.. if you just want your rocks off quickly, any Yongsan 7 will give you your 20 minutes for 50-60k.

Cheers.

Spotted Dick
07-14-02, 04:54
clinteast,

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. The errors and malapropisms abound -- and you say the GI's are stupid?

The appropriate article for "intelligent American" is "an" rather than "a". One may not properly say you are "a asshole", it's "you're an asshole". And with your attitude, I'd guess that you are.

Grammatically speaking, we may say that a singular engineer (intelligent American or not) "has been working", not "have been working" as you use below.

Are you a "constrution" engineer or are you in construction?

"Reveration" isn't a word. I think you might mean "reverence."

Your misuse of the language, coupled with your ignorant superiority trip, makes me think you are in fact a Korean yourself.

The first giveaway is you say you have friends both Korean females and Korean males. Aha! Everybody knows that it's all-but-impossible for foreign males to make friends with Korean males, because Korean males are 98% objectionable assholes.

You further betray your secret identity as a Korean dude when you use the word "behaviors". Koreans very rarely grok the idea of the English language's collective singular -- multiple staff are always described as "staffs".

Own up to it, fella. Mistaken use of articles, wrong singular-plural verb tense, misspelling and just plain wrong diction with made-up words, combined with contempt for American military staffs (sic) and homoerotic feelings for Korean men: YOU'RE BUSTED!


Originally posted by clinteast
lighter9000:

As a intelligent American that have been working in Korea for two years as a constrution engineer, I'm deeply ashamed for the American GI's behavior. When I was young, I had deep reveration for GIs, but it was different back then, we had normal, hard-working Americans volunteering to become GIs like Ted Williams, but now we have drug-addicts and high-schools drop outs. It seems that my Korean friends both males and females all have little or no respect for the GIs. They always talk about their rude behaviors and lack of intelligence. I heard that most of them can't even solve simple algebraic equations, and to them calculus is Einstein's theory of relativity. When a Korean girl asks me where I'm from I always tell them I'm Canadian or Dutch-their favorite.

Big_Dawg
07-15-02, 07:30
Originally posted by BugsBunny
lighter

Thanks for the many helpful hints. I ventured out on Wednesday night and have not had time until now to post about it. I went to Iteawon and walked the hill, quickly figuring out that there is only juicy bars there. I had though there might also be girls avaialble like in the RLD in Amsterdam.

So I got there about 1:15am and saw someone who was obviously a GI out after cerfew leaving the scene quickly. Pretty funny. I walked up the hill and took a look. Things were relativly quite and somewhat subdued. There was a group of US MPs near the top of the hill. On the way back down I stopped in to a girl I saw on the way up and found attractive. I'd say 7-8, but I like the slim ones, so higher in my book.

Went in and she immediately closed the door behind us. There was only two tables in the place, no partitions. Venus is the name I think. Mindy was the girl's name. Anyhow, bought a beer and went ahead and bought a drink for her. I sort of like letting them come to me a bit, even if I do drop 10k won.

Anyhow, she was nice a cuddly and asked about me. This is where things were a bit strange. Not keeping my head on (so to speak) I told her I was from the US and she had no problem with it. Probably since I was still dressed for work activities and am pretty clean cut. She obviously saw me as a rich sack to raid. When she discovered I work for a big US company and I was staying at the Westin Chosun while here, she started getting petty hungry.

So she was stroking me and then starts giving me a BBBJ. Not a bad start, I'm thinking.

So she asks if I want to make love to her. I was loking for exactly that and said yes. We started negotiating price and here is where the info about me came back to bite me. She asked 300k won. I wasn't going for that and started pulling it down. She was pretty insistent and wouldn't go below 200k, including a drink for her.

Counting the money I had with me, I found I only had 150k. I didn't bring any creadit cards with me (good thing). Anyhow, she says OK and we undress (the rest of the way since we were both about naked at this point anyhow). We are in the juice bar, but alone, so space is not a problem. Being 6"5", cramped spaces don't go well with me. So first thing she does is bend over for me to come in from behind. This surprised a bit based on other posts, but I certianly was not going to complain.

Anyhow, had a good run, but didn't last as long as I would have liked -- its been a while. She was enthusiastic, which works for me. In the end, she was definitely wanting me to visit again and offered to go on a date, presumably to spend the night with me at the hotel she is so impressed with. She gave me her number and repeated a number of time that I can't forget her and that I need to call her to have some fun. I just might stilll...

In the end, I blew 175k won (I think I missed another drink I bought her in along the way). Perhpas a bit expensive, but a good experiance for me.

This was definitely different than Amsterdam where is is much more impersonal and standard process -- suck a bit (with condom) then missionary fuck in most cases.
I'm tempted by the cheaper prices, but liked the juice bar style. Are the juice bars other than in Itaewon?

So that's the story. Can anyone tell me what I shoud expect if I call her and try to negotiate a night together? How much should I expct to pay, and how much is more than usual?

Thanks for all the great posts in this area!!!

Big_Dawg
07-15-02, 07:38
Okay....seen the post by ole Bugsbunny.
Gotta answer that one.......
VENUS is a great little hole. Seems that everyone she sees gets a pretty good taste of her skills. She is one of the better BJ providers in that area........ well, whattaya expect for a guy? Guys know what guys like, right? Someone should have warned you that she used to be a he. Dude, I hate to be the one that breaks the news to ya. You gotta talk to the locals/expats that live in Seoul. By the way, the hands and adam's apple shoulda been your clue. Hey, cut the tree and split the stump and it's hard to tell.

Big_Dawg
07-15-02, 11:33
Just so you don't feel bad......been there, done that too. Can't let a fellow shopper feel alone.



Originally posted by BIG_DAWG
Okay....seen the post by ole Bugsbunny.
Gotta answer that one.......
VENUS is a great little hole. Seems that everyone she sees gets a pretty good taste of her skills. She is one of the better BJ providers in that area........ well, whattaya expect for a guy? Guys know what guys like, right? Someone should have warned you that she used to be a he. Dude, I hate to be the one that breaks the news to ya. You gotta talk to the locals/expats that live in Seoul. By the way, the hands and adam's apple shoulda been your clue. Hey, cut the tree and split the stump and it's hard to tell.

Korea_freak
07-15-02, 11:55
I'm writing for the first time. I've lived in Korea for almost 8 years and have seen it all. The posts here are pretty accurate. For those of you coming to the Land Of The Morning Calm there is a bounty of Korean delights to be had. I'll tell all about them only if you promise not to give out secrets and tell a bunch of yahoo wannabes back in the USA (or where ever you're from). Keep it under wraps. We got enough foreigners here already. Just keep the posts coming and I'll check in every now and again to help when I can. Of the 45 million Koreans about 15 million are HOT women! Good luck and good hunting!

BugsBunny
07-16-02, 06:15
BIG_DAWG--

Must have been another girl (former guy). No large hands, no adams apple sticking out, no scars in the nether lands, no fake/enhanced breasts. Extremely light frame, and all-too feminine body features. I'll tell you what. If in fact this was a former guy, I really don't care since the service was good.

I really have to doubt that the woman I saw was a former guy. You will have seen my follow-up post before this...



Originally posted by BIG_DAWG
Just so you don't feel bad......been there, done that too. Can't let a fellow shopper feel alone.

BugsBunny
07-16-02, 06:31
So I had the opportunity to get out for a bit Saturday night before having to fly back to the US on Sunday...

I just had to go to Yongsan to see the 10s in the RLD there. I was amazed ay how different this was from Amsterdam. The 10s were definitely that, but, as expected, they weren't even giving me a bit of eye contact, much less expressing interest. The B row was not worth the visit in my opinion. A number of mamasans tried to get me to go with their girls, but they did not look interested... so I wasn't very interested.

Headed to Iteawon. I figured I could either try a different girl, or see what loyalty to repeat customers brought. Walking up the hill, there was little of interest in sight. I cam to Venus and saw Mindy and went in.

Turn out the post that mentioned loyalty has its rewards are true. I was quite surprised. She was happy I was back and after buying her a first drink (10k+5k for a beer for me) she had my pants down and giving me a BBBJ. Not wanting to pay for lots of drinks, I quickly moved to negotiations and rapidly settled on 150k.

She hopped on my cock and rode pretty good for a while. If this chick was a man (see post form B_D below), she had some pretty amazing surgery, and I have seen some pretty good plastic surgery (don't ask).

Anyhow, she wanted me to come from behind and did that for awhile and then had her on top again for finish. She made a good show of enjoying it making it better for me.

Afterward, she asked when I would be back to Seoul. I told her February (true). She asked me to keep in touch with her and that she would send me pictures. I liked that idea. and then she decided to model some of her erotic clothing for me and pose. All I can say here is what I said in my last post, if this is a former man, then fine with me! While posing in rather interesting erotic positions for me, I could find not hint.. and trust me, I got a VERY close look.

Anyhow, while the price was a bit high (165k), I think the special experience was worth it.

BIG_DAWG: I'm not sure we are talking about the same individual.

lighter9000: Thanks for you posts and supportive words. You are one of those folks that help make this hobby possible!

Until I return in February/March, I hope you all have a good time.

BugsBunny

Seoulman
07-16-02, 07:38
ok it's been said, well we all know
that alot of girls working the scene otside of Itaewon wont touch us with 10 foot barge polls...

I am asking a simple question..
WHY!???
why wont these hookers fuck us!!
why wont the A row girl girls in 588 and youngsan do us!!??
what is wrong with us????
are they just no attacted to non asian looks..well if thats true, then they are fucked in the head..
I have been down there, and I am handsome, young , I was dressed well and the a row girls didn't say shit to me
I hung around I saw them , the A row girls calling old grandfathers, retards, and stupid looking drunk korean Adusis...
now!! ok I understand don't like Foreigner looks, but get some taste of your own kind then!!!...

guys..why is this????
whats wrong with us????

Spotted Dick
07-16-02, 10:41
seoulman,

I have a 75% success rate just walking up to the "A" row girls and saying "Foreigners need lovin' too" while I barge in. Once inside and behind the curtain (i.e., no Korean dudes looking at them taking us), my money's just as green as the next guy's.

Learn Korean -- it helps.

Seoulman
07-16-02, 11:56
cool
I speak Korean!!
I am not as bold as you..haaah
walking straight past them and behind the curtain!!!
haaahah...

so what you are saying is..
is they don't want us because, korean men will see!!! so korean men don't like US!!!??
so what!!..maybe I am naive here!!
so what if we fuck the girls too!!
what do they care..it's not their sister!!!
they are hookers!!!!
so the girls think if they are seen taking a foreign into the store, that korean guy wont go to that store again!!!!
fuck i..we wear condoms!! koreans don't!
they are soiling the girls!!!!
many of my friends korean..have cought some nasty shit at miari, and 588
I said why don't you wear a condom
they say WHY!! this is korea!!!
and I don't like!!!
hahaahahaha...

still don't understand it..
even japan is same..
NO FOREIGNERS in general!!!
but of course there are places just like here..but acually it's no Foreigners!!!
what kind of BS is that!!!
funny because the Korean men
and japanese men want to cpome to our country and do our WHITE girls and experience the white girl..
but if we want to try their woman..
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dirty foreigner!!!
doesn't seem fair!!!!
we are all red blooded!!!!!
we are all humans!!
we are all made the same!!!
not like I have three dicks or something!

I HATE RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big_Dawg
07-16-02, 12:27
OK...I went to check for myself. My mistake on Mindy. The other one was Hee Ju. That's who I was talking about. And I think the name of the place was different too. Guess that's why he/she don't work there any more.

Tried the goods.....if that was a guy before WHO FRIGGIN CARES!!! Wow!

Been all over Korea and got the Tee shirts...that was some show and performance.

See ya when you get back to the ROK.


Originally posted by BugsBunny
So I had the opportunity to get out for a bit Saturday night before having to fly back to the US on Sunday...

I just had to go to Yongsan to see the 10s in the RLD there. I was amazed ay how different this was from Amsterdam. The 10s were definitely that, but, as expected, they weren't even giving me a bit of eye contact, much less expressing interest. The B row was not worth the visit in my opinion. A number of mamasans tried to get me to go with their girls, but they did not look interested... so I wasn't very interested.

Headed to Iteawon. I figured I could either try a different girl, or see what loyalty to repeat customers brought. Walking up the hill, there was little of interest in sight. I cam to Venus and saw Mindy and went in.

Turn out the post that mentioned loyalty has its rewards are true. I was quite surprised. She was happy I was back and after buying her a first drink (10k+5k for a beer for me) she had my pants down and giving me a BBBJ. Not wanting to pay for lots of drinks, I quickly moved to negotiations and rapidly settled on 150k.

She hopped on my cock and rode pretty good for a while. If this chick was a man (see post form B_D below), she had some pretty amazing surgery, and I have seen some pretty good plastic surgery (don't ask).

Anyhow, she wanted me to come from behind and did that for awhile and then had her on top again for finish. She made a good show of enjoying it making it better for me.

Afterward, she asked when I would be back to Seoul. I told her February (true). She asked me to keep in touch with her and that she would send me pictures. I liked that idea. and then she decided to model some of her erotic clothing for me and pose. All I can say here is what I said in my last post, if this is a former man, then fine with me! While posing in rather interesting erotic positions for me, I could find not hint.. and trust me, I got a VERY close look.

Anyhow, while the price was a bit high (165k), I think the special experience was worth it.

BIG_DAWG: I'm not sure we are talking about the same individual.

lighter9000: Thanks for you posts and supportive words. You are one of those folks that help make this hobby possible!

Until I return in February/March, I hope you all have a good time.

BugsBunny

Lighter9000
07-16-02, 15:17
Seoulman:

Korean men are racist. Plain fact. Even moreso when it comes to their women. They absolutely go apeshit when a foreigner has anything to do with a korean girls.

White guys who show public affection to korean girls (girlfriend/boyfriend) will get glares at the least, harsh words and sometimes occasionally physical violence if the ajoshi in question is drunk enough. Seen it happen enough times. *****s are no different.

Korean men (and I'm generalizing here) are really big on racial purity, homogenity etc etc. You may also not be aware that there is a 60/40 Male/Female disparity in Korea. So there aren't enough chicks to go around for the men. They are aware of this fact. And its their own fault because korean women regular abort female fetuses because boys are preferred. So everytime they see a foreigner with a korean girl, ***** or not, they are reminded of "one more whitey stealing our women". The problem is so bad that the Korean-Men are the #1 customer of Phillipino mail-order brides. Why? Because for a Korean man to be over 30 and unmarried is seen as shameful, strange, unusual. There is massive pressure for both men and women to be married by the time they are 30. This is changing with time.. but the old order is still really strong in Korea.

Anyway, there is your reasoning.

Bugs:

Thanks for your reports, glad you were able to enjoy yourself. Just a quick question, you said on your first visit to Mindy she did you in the bar, what about the second time? Also, did you go bareback or use a condom both times?

Cheers.

Chikan
07-16-02, 19:05
seoulman/lighter9000,
just to further this discussion a bit. a friend of mine taught english in korea and everything the both of you two said are 100% true. in his case, he was with a korean lady (student) and wanted to take a taxi cab back to his place. what did the taxi gook do? he drove them out to a field in the middle of no-where and told them to walk! my friend said he was so pissed! and nothing the korean student said would change the taxi drivers mind (except he said, "leave him here, and i'll take you home") - yeah right...my friend thought he was going to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her. other times, he would be walking down the street in ulsan(sp.?) and people from the balcony's above him would pour "coke" down on him - trying to hit him...if they missed, they'd simply chuck the cans at him! in short, he still has a k-girl friend (long dist. relationship) but they're always fighting.....korean girls have major attitude problems (princess disease)....i wouldn't even try to p/u a regular one...anyways, just my two cents...
ps. is it just me or does it seem that seoulman! is! going! or! has! gone! crazy! - poor bastard....time to come home buddy!

Boricua in LA
07-17-02, 05:48
Quite ironic since here in LA Koreans often go down to TJ to bone mexican chicks. Latino men do not mind at all.

Originally posted by lighter9000
Seoulman:

Korean men are racist. Plain fact. Even moreso when it comes to their women. They absolutely go apeshit when a foreigner has anything to do with a korean girls.

White guys who show public affection to korean girls (girlfriend/boyfriend) will get glares at the least, harsh words and sometimes occasionally physical violence if the ajoshi in question is drunk enough. Seen it happen enough times. *****s are no different.

Korean men (and I'm generalizing here) are really big on racial purity, homogenity etc etc. You may also not be aware that there is a 60/40 Male/Female disparity in Korea. So there aren't enough chicks to go around for the men. They are aware of this fact. And its their own fault because korean women regular abort female fetuses because boys are preferred. So everytime they see a foreigner with a korean girl, ***** or not, they are reminded of "one more whitey stealing our women". The problem is so bad that the Korean-Men are the #1 customer of Phillipino mail-order brides. Why? Because for a Korean man to be over 30 and unmarried is seen as shameful, strange, unusual. There is massive pressure for both men and women to be married by the time they are 30. This is changing with time.. but the old order is still really strong in Korea.

Anyway, there is your reasoning.

Bugs:

Thanks for your reports, glad you were able to enjoy yourself. Just a quick question, you said on your first visit to Mindy she did you in the bar, what about the second time? Also, did you go bareback or use a condom both times?

Cheers.

BugsBunny
07-17-02, 06:53
lighter9000:

Both times in the bar. Since we were alone there, it was fine with me. Both times it was BBBJ, but I always fuck with a condom. I have no desire to catch anything.


Originally posted by lighter9000

Bugs:

Thanks for your reports, glad you were able to enjoy yourself. Just a quick question, you said on your first visit to Mindy she did you in the bar, what about the second time? Also, did you go bareback or use a condom both times?

Cheers.

Cavechu
07-17-02, 14:18
With the latest incident of GI running over two school girls with their APC will only increase the Korean resolve to get rid of GI and US military bases all together.

Alex20
07-17-02, 16:07
MAC,

Let this website clean...do not bother us...if you know nice korean girls to fuck, fuck them alone and do not bother us. We do not need your fucking advise. Go to hell.

Spotted Dick
07-18-02, 04:03
I say MAC is welcome to try to hustle his sex-tour-guide services. It seems he is just a guy who wants to hang around a little bit with visiting foreigners and maybe cadge a free beer (or some pussy if he's lucky) out of it. Leave the guy alone.

Hell, it's pretty exceptional that we've got a Korean guy who not only doesn't seem to object to foreigners enjoying what he can get, but in fact is proud to share. That's a real pal, if you ask me. What other countries have such a Welcome Wagon?

Of course, MAC, you realize that many of the foreign guys are worried that you might take them out of the way and beat their asses.

Spotted Dick
07-18-02, 08:08
MAC,

When you say "naked woman drinking bars" what do you mean? Where are these? And how much is the general fare?

Ho Man
07-18-02, 08:23
MAC

Please check your e-mail!!!!

Keep up the good work.

alex20, you probably meant to direct your comments to clinteast. He's the abusive poster!

Korea_freak
07-19-02, 14:11
The show at the VENUS is awesome. Go up the hill in Itaewon (Seoul) and it's the 3rd bar on the right. It's a one woman show....and it's worth the stop over. I gaurantee it will get your engine running. If you're up to it she'll cool you off too. Show costs about 50000 won each for up to 3 guys and 20000 for each for more guys. Also found a barbershop by KINKO's in Kangnam that is truely FULL service. I went in at 11:00 pm and didn't leave until 2:00 am. Go up the street that is next to KINKO's to the red light and it's the 2 pole barbershop on the the left corner. Go downstairs and get ready! The lady's name is Ms. Kim (02-552-3398). You can call ahead to set up a rendevous. BBBJ, tongue wash, big tits, and full service fucking.
Several of my buddies are looking to start rating barber poles....it seems there is a move afoot to improve SERVICE! We'll see.
Good huntin'!

cykoT
07-20-02, 03:46
Hey, everyone. I知 new to this forum. I値l be heading over to Korea in August for about three weeks to attend a friend痴 wedding in Daejeon. However, I will be spending most of my time in the Seoul suburb of Son Won and will probably venture into Seoul every now and then. I知 really stoked about this trip as it is my first time visiting Korea. I知 also trying to see if I can get a visa to visit the North. I figure since I知 in the area, I might as well take advantage of this opportunity. Any suggestions?

Anyways, in preparation for my trip, I致e been reading this particular section for a while now. I asked a couple of Korean friends about Itaewon and Oh-Pal-Pal (588), which have both been mentioned quite frequently here, and they say to avoid both areas at all costs. Why would they say that? The friend I値l be staying with has promised to be my guide and take me to a few areas where I may get 斗ucky. He痴 Korean and knows the city quite well, so we値l see if he痴 right!

I壇 also like to comment on some of the things about Korean men and women. The guy痴 who痴 wedding I値l be attending and the guy I知 staying with were both born and raised in Korea. I知 Caucasian and I consider these two guys to be my 塗yungs or older brothers. However, I have noticed that many Korean men are VERY ethnocentric -- even many of those born and raised in North America. My two friends would be the first to admit that as well. So, while it痴 rare to meet a 電ecent Korean guy, once you do, they池e your family and will ALWAYS be there for you. As for that comment about Korean women having a 菟rincess syndrome, I would have to disagree with that. My experience with Korean women (not just the Americanized ones, but recent immigrants as well) in North America has been 塗it or miss they池e either really good, or really bad, but never in between. Two of my friends have recently married Korean girls and they couldn稚 be happier with their choices. Maybe Korean girls have a temper and are possessive, but that doesn稚 bother me too much.

Well, I hope to possibly post a trip report!

Cheers.

Jazz Fish
07-20-02, 05:27
hi all! after reading about the barber shop in kangnam i had to ask this question which may be asked before.

Is there any way to distinguish between barber shops??

I've been to one where after the massage I was led to a shower room where full service was available after. Price 60000 won.

Most others u get mebbe a shave followed by a long massage ending with a HJ.

Now are they differentiated by the fact that some have 2 poles, 3 poles etc outside the barber shop?

Or some u have to walk down yet some u walk up?

Or perhaps diff. shops just have their own polices n practices?

Appreciate any contributions or efforts to find out.

clinteast
07-20-02, 07:03
Seoulsurvivor:

Just because I made some grammer mistakes in a forum doesn't mean that I'm a Korean. I mean I have Korean friends because I came from a neighborhood where there were a lot of Koreans. I said most GI's were like that, not all of them. I don't understand what the hostility is about man. I'm in my 20s and if you ever noticed most people age don't reall give a shit about grammer. I suspect that you are from a generation where grammer was strictly enforced. Chill out man.

Spotted Dick
07-20-02, 10:55
So, you're an American who uses English as if it were his second language? My apologies, both for the misapprehension on my part, and for the school system which let you graduate in this state of blissful ignorance. You and your hyungs just carry on then.


Originally posted by clinteast
Seoulsurvivor:

Just because I made some grammer mistakes in a forum doesn't mean that I'm a Korean. I mean I have Korean friends because I came from a neighborhood where there were a lot of Koreans. I said most GI's were like that, not all of them. I don't understand what the hostility is about man. I'm in my 20s and if you ever noticed most people age don't reall give a shit about grammer. I suspect that you are from a generation where grammer was strictly enforced. Chill out man.

Lighter9000
07-20-02, 15:53
Jazzfish:

The Barber shops are hit and miss. The number of polls doesn't really have any significance. Single, double, triple.. whatever, the script is usually the same. Roughly 60,000 for a massage then a release.

Each Barber shop is different and the service varies by shop and by the woman who serves you. I've been to alot in the past, but I wouldn't bother with them anymore, the service is too variated and the women not attractive enough. Where with 60,000 you can get sex and pick a girl that is attractive to you somewhere else.

I have *never* received *true* full service at a barber shop. I have been offered it numerous times, accepted, only to be very dissapointed and insulted. Basically, they offer it and hop on top of you and lean forward. They then pretend to "insert" you, but really its their hand and an *almost* convincing technique. But most of us hobbiests have screwed enough vagina to know the difference. Its fairly obvious to me.. and the most insulting thing is how most of the women moan and groan like they are getting pleasure from it. I mean, faking during actual sex is one thing.. but faking moaning when you're faking sex? Heh.. insult to injury. Anyway, there have been reports here from guys who have received true full service from a barber shop, but its really hit and miss, its never a gaurentee. Even if you ask for "full service" and they say yes, (which has happened to me) you run the risk of getting the "hand-job vagina" treatment.

I would honestly rather masturbate then go back to a barber shop these days. Its a waste of 60k.

Cheers.

Seoulman
07-20-02, 18:04
588!!!
for non asian men only please!!!

how many of you guys have been to 588 and have been refused?
how many have been acepted?
I am talking about the main road girls, a row, the hot ones..
main road girls on both sides with koreans walking, and cars driving etc...
what were you quoted on price??
cheers..

Spotted Dick
07-21-02, 02:43
In Kangnam at least, if the price quoted is W80,000 instead of W60,000, the "haircut" is going to be excellent. If they quote W60,000 then turn around and walk out.


Originally posted by lighter9000
I have *never* received *true* full service at a barber shop. I have been offered it numerous times, accepted, only to be very dissapointed and insulted. Basically, they offer it and hop on top of you and lean forward. They then pretend to "insert" you, but really its their hand and an *almost* convincing technique. But most of us hobbiests have screwed enough vagina to know the difference. Its fairly obvious to me.. and the most insulting thing is how most of the women moan and groan like they are getting pleasure from it. I mean, faking during actual sex is one thing.. but faking moaning when you're faking sex? Heh.. insult to injury. Anyway, there have been reports here from guys who have received true full service from a barber shop, but its really hit and miss, its never a gaurentee. Even if you ask for "full service" and they say yes, (which has happened to me) you run the risk of getting the "hand-job vagina" treatment.

I would honestly rather masturbate then go back to a barber shop these days. Its a waste of 60k.

USAforever
07-21-02, 16:08
man I don't know what you guys have for asian girls, but in my book, they are one fugly bitches. Can't you guys get white girls, why settle for orientals when you can get some real tits and ass with white girls. I'm totally turned off by their lack of curves. It seems that they are flat all the way around. And their face, it's flat as a pancake and round as a silverware. And how could you stare at those slanty eyes that you can probably blindfold with a dental floss. You guys need to get checked up in the head.

USAforever
07-21-02, 16:20
shit, if I were to screw a asian *****, I would ask her for money.

Ho Man
07-22-02, 06:31
USAforever:

I've seen what "typical", white, American girls looks like - everytime I turn on the television and see "The Jerry Springer Show".

I've also seen US military chicks and "teachers".

Mate, you are welcome to the lot of them - and their skanky attitudes. I don't think that any person of taste would crawl over a Korean girl to do it with an American.

Fishmonger
07-22-02, 06:36
Hi guys, I am a regular contributor to the Tokyo discussion, but I enjoy reading the Korea discussion very much.

To USAforever ... you wouldn't happen to be a redneck from Texarkana now wud'cha? If you don't like asian women, I don't give a f#ck, it just leaves more for me and guys like me. I just have to ask you though ... have you ever tried dating, bonking one? I think asian women are an acquired taste. I personally was not ever attracted to an asian while living in the States, and only after moving to Japan did I see the light. It took me maybe 3 or 4 months to go from uninterested to nuts about Japanese women. I, like you, at first thought they all had no body (well, the body of an 11 year old boy). But, I came to realize it's all about proportions. Asian women are smaller framed, and very slim waisted, therefore even breasts that aren't too big by western standards are more than ample on a small frame. Also, to the untrained eye, asian women fully clothed will perhaps appear to have no curves, but what you (redneck dipshit) don't know is that under the clothes is an amazingly sexy body of unimaginable delights. You may also not be aware that asian women (at least Japanese women) have essentially no tuna smell in the nether regions. I hated going down in the States, and now I love it! I'm not saying that asian women are for everyone .... maybe some guys do prefer big, white, flabby, Iowa cornfed, 185 pound gals with smelly pussies. Hey if that's your cup of tea ... they are all yours. USAforever is the kind of racist idiot who gives Americans a bad name.

Lighter9000
07-22-02, 10:41
Just to add:

Korean girls tend to have zero odour as well. Its fantastic. Back in Canada, I would say the majority of caucasian girls had SOME sort of odour.. it varied in strength. But korean girls have none whatsoever.

ThaiDude
07-22-02, 12:20
Fishmonger and lighter9000, maybe it's not a good idea to sing the praise of Asian women. If USA ever comes around, it would suck. As fishmonger said, more to go around without people like USA. However, if he does, i hope his first experience will be with a transexual in Pat Pong district of BKK.

cykoT
07-22-02, 16:08
I don't know about you guys, but could it be that USAforever may be a Korean guy posting as an American? The bad grammar pretty much gives it away.

Ho Man
07-23-02, 02:02
cykot

really?

in my experiences - and those of the majority of my peers - most americans in korea suffer poor grammar and linguistic skills.

it is unlikely that he is even in korea - unless he has no choice in the matter.

Seoulman
07-23-02, 10:02
NOWAY this is happening!!!
you people are NOT arguing about someones grammar and spelling are you?
please don't start fights and putting people down because of their grammar skills....
THIS IS SITE TO DISCUSS SEX!!!!
if you want to bash people try a korean forum or something, pleanty of grammar police , who get their kicks out of telling people to use sytax, commars, etc....
I am a native speaker, born and raised in western educated the lot, my grammar and spelling SUCKS!!!! I got a c for English moved up from a D...
like the other guy said, people these days don't really give a shit about grammar, I don't want to be a writer,or an editor so why should I care..
MOST important why do you care about someone elses grammar on a board liek this!!!!
lets not turn this board into a place to fight and belittle people..
LET's TALK ABOUT SEX BABY!!!!!!!!!
Konglish, bad English, terrible spelling whatever, any educated person can figure out what your saying..
lets just hear the stories..
ON K SEX!!!!!!!!

Slow and Easy
07-23-02, 21:49
588 RLD

Quick answers in case you don窶冲 want to read the whole post.

WARNING- Watch out for the crazy Korean guy (metal rimmed glasses about 5 and 1/2 ft tall) that claims he was a doctor and has a large scar on his right bicep- he is friendly at first and then will follow you around if you talk to him and create more problems than it is worth being there窶ヲ.if you meet this guy do not get into any conversation with him politely deny and move on quickly.

I have been refused more times than I have been accepted. However if you find one girl that lets you in treat her nice she may hook you up with some of her hot friends, that maybe doubtful of foreigners, in the future.

The prices that have being quoted usually start at 180,000 won for foreigners. Many times though you can get them to lower the price during slow times, but forget it if it is busy they will turn tricks with Korean guys first. Unless you have a regular that will allow you in during a peak time it may be a lonely night if you are only set on the 窶廣窶 row and there high prices. I will not pay 180,000 won for 15 minutes of sex窶ヲso I negotiate to a reasonable price that I am willing to pay (40,000 -120,000 won). For 588 窶廣窶 row girls I think the cheapest I have paid was 70,000 won.


When I went there it was late afternoon/early evening...many of the shops were just opening up. Like other reports have stated...there is a high rejection rate on the "A" row girls. However there was a strategy that has been suggested that could increase your odds of getting in but not for a cheaper price. If you walk into the 窶廣窶 row shops and head just behind the curtain or door you have increased your odds of getting in窶ヲhowever the drawback to this approach is窶ヲthey will usually quote you a price that is most likely going to be 3 to 5 times higher than that of a Korean National or if you would have just asked the price. Yes, sometimes you may run into some resistance from the ladies or the men (some are owners others are just muscle for protection of assets-not limited in slapping around the ladies if needed) that are working. I have been lucky enough to get several 窶廣窶 row girls without the assistance of a Korean translator. Most of the 窶廣窶 row girls prefer not to be with a foreigner for a several reasons窶ヲ

1) the infamous language barrier
2) the general attitude that they perceive about foreigners (the myths/truths, military, etc窶ヲ BS)
3) anything that may be longer, harder, faster, and even better usually hurts them if they are not accustomed to the size in general.
4) many tend to be loyal to the Krn. Nat. because in general Korean men are in many cases are their escape from being a prostitute if they can get hooked up with a good or rich guy.
5) they just don窶冲 like foreigners for personal reasons, attitude, or actions in public
6) some are newer to the lifestyle and may be afraid to be adventurous
7) the last reason that was told to me by an 窶廣窶 row lady was that some get threatened by the owners/muscle if they waiver from the Korean men for business reasons. Many of the regulars have been going to the same places for a long time and have spent huge amounts of money to have pristine young ladies give them a ball drainer time when they come. Where a foreigner is considered a non-regular unless convinced otherwise.

The prices that I have been quoted recently from 窶廣窶 row ladies have being minimum of 70,000 won窶ヲ..the maximum was 180,000 won. However in general many of these women will go from 180,000 to 310,000 won. Usually for 2 reason they will quote you a high price窶ヲ1) thinking and hoping that you are willing to pay that much or 2) knowing that the chances you paying a high price will be slim and that you will go away but if you pay the high price they make out enduring 15 minutes of a foreigner.



Originally posted by seoulman
588!!!
for non asian men only please!!!

how many of you guys have been to 588 and have been refused?
how many have been acepted?
I am talking about the main road girls, a row, the hot ones..
main road girls on both sides with koreans walking, and cars driving etc...
what were you quoted on price??
cheers..

Slow and Easy
07-24-02, 02:12
Itaewon

I do not mean to insult anyone窶冱 negotiating abilities so I will share what has worked on hooker hill for me (the average guy).

From the post窶冱 that I have read here most everyone is paying entirely too much for what you are getting or not getting.

Remember they know a sucker coming....don't be a sucker....don't get caught up in their BS...once they lure you in and sit down it makes it harder...... but not impossible.... to do these steps.....read carefully.... the following.


Remember most of these girls range from 4窶冱 to 8窶冱 on average dependent upon your own personal opinion and taste. I have seen what I consider 10窶冱 usually walking through here but once in a while you seem to strike gold.

Everyone that has visited the 窶徂ill窶 a few times know that these women try to lure you in with some promise of having a good time if you buy them drinks and spend lots of money in the place窶ヲ. And that they will go to your place (hotel or their room for 250,000 won in addition to drinks you buy inside) Well if that is your thing and you don窶冲 mind spending that type of money or time窶ヲ窶ヲ go for it. For me, all that buying a drink BS is exactly that窶ヲ BS. If I want to drink I can go to the store right on the corner buy 3 or 4 large beers for the price of one that some of these places charge. I definitely will not spend 10,000 won for one of their drinks.

Here is what has worked for me窶ヲif everyone begins to do the same thing then hopefully everyone will get laid for a more reasonable price more often.

Here is what I do (you can start usually after 4:00 pm to the whenever hours in the a.m. it does not really matter much what day it is but remember窶ヲ. YMMV..)

Hint: Look for places that have 2 or fewer girls in the place and no customers. Also do not take all of your buddies go by yourself or if you have a great need to bring someone then limit it to one other. (I have always gone by myself since it has yielded the best results. However you may get a deal or a show for the 2 of you窶ヲ. try it and post the results)

1) I walk the hill to see who is working and the selections that are available. (all of it, even on the gay side, because some of the women live right up that same street. You might catch them before they get to the bar). Don窶冲 forget about the places up the hill on the north /south road on both sides and the lower main half of the hill and any other places that the ladies sit in the door窶ヲsome place are located somewhat off the main portion or the entrance is located further back in a building, just check around for all the places first.

2) If you do not like what you see then go drink for awhile someplace other than there and come back and repeat 1) if you find a girl that you might enjoy to have sex with the proceed to 3)

3) The woman initiates contact anyways, so go talk to her but do not go into the bar窶ヲstand right outside the door. (they always have to tell you something and it always will only take 1 minute of your time窶ヲ.He He He a lot of BS)

4) Cut out all the 窶彙uy me a drink窶 BS and tell them that all you want is sex and that is it. It is not necessary to buy them drinks in order for you to get laid. Remind them that you are not there to buy any drinks, you are only there for sex. You can play the 窶徂ard to get窶 role or 窶廬 am not sure if you窶决e honest with me 窶 role by starting to walk away or backing away if they insist that you have to buy a drink. Do not buy drinks for none of them unless you really have a strong desire to waste your money for nothing.

5) If they agree on having sex usually the women is alone, one or two coworkers, or have a mamasan in there. However that may not always be the case, trial and error, so don窶冲 worry too much about other women watching or knowing. It tends to be better if there are fewer people in the place because they will usually shut the door and lock it for privacy and comfort.

6) Price Ask them how much? 窶ヲ.it will most likely be around 100,000 won or some other ridiculous price.

WARNINNG ----THAT IS TOO MUCH窶ヲ.ALERT---THAT IS TOO MUCH窶ヲ.. get my point.

Tell them that it is too much do not be afraid to negotiate at this point because they have already agreed on having sex窶ヲ

They will probably ask you how much you are willing to spend (remember it is always better for the other person to give you the prices) so if you get stuck here always 窶徑ow ball窶 the price or just tell them to go lower窶ヲbut if you have to quote a price say 25,000 - 40,000 won they may look at you funny or laugh saying that is too cheap ---that is when you say 窶忤ell tell me a fair price窶ヲ窶.

Hint: ( here is one thing you never know窶ヲ.and that is if they are willing to accept a lower price窶ヲ..you don窶冲 know unless you offer窶ヲ.you can get surprised on how low they are willing to accept窶ヲtry it窶ヲ don窶冲 get disappointed if you don窶冲 get the exact price each time)

At this point you force her into quoting you a price of course she still may quote a higher price but it will be closer too 50,000 - 80,000 won


Hint: If you frequent the 窶徂ill窶 often and have sampled some of the ladies you can try to convince them that they gave you a better price previously窶ヲ.insist on it窶ヲ.remember you are more likely to remember them than they are to remember you and the price they gave you窶ヲgenerally speaking窶ヲhowever if you did something stupid or caused a big commotion at one time or another they will probably remember you窶ヲmore easily but you can always deny everything窶ヲ.


(you can get most all of these girls for around 50,000 won窶ヲgive or take depending on you and her窶ヲthe best I have done on the 窶徂ill窶 was 25,000 won for a quickie from a 30-35 year old, petite, nice c cups, not ugly at all窶蚤ttractive woman not a 9 or 10窶ヲ.maybe closer to a 6 or 7窶ヲit may have been a slow night or whatever窶ヲbut who cares for that price窶ヲ. I was fortunate enough to win a low price that was the only reason窶ヲ.. it could have happened to anyone else in the same circumstance).

If you know how much you are willing to spend stick with that price (try to be within the lower portion of the market price窶ヲsomewhere around 35,000-50,000 won)窶ヲbecause the woman will stick to her lowest price窶ヲyou can either take it or leave it, but if it is still a little high leave it窶ヲcome back 1/2 or 1 hour later and try again if you feel she will go down in price. But if she sticks to her price at that point it is up to you if you want to pay it.

Hint: Do not haggle too much for the price. They will give you an initial price窶ヲyou counter with either a comment like 窶 I know I can get it cheaper than that around here窶ヲ窶 she will either reply with a price or ask you a price窶ヲ.just tell her to give you a fair price窶ヲit will probably be around 60-80,000 won. If the price is getting good try to go 10,000 won less than you are willing to spend and see if she will bite窶ヲall in all it will be about 3 offers from each person on price 窶ヲ. at that point she will have probably have stated her lowest price for that day.

7) If you think you can get a better deal or a better woman for the same deal then walk away and shop around窶ヲ. but so you don窶冲 screw your deal up with her窶ヲ tell her that you would like to look around first before you make a decision窶ヲ.it is okay to be somewhat honest to these ladies窶ヲ.especially if you already negotiated a fair price窶ヲshe is not going anywhere that quick but she could get busy so use your better judgment窶ヲ

8) The price you get today you may or may not get another day. Always, Always negotiate for the lowest price each and every time. Remember once they give a lower price and you begin seeing the same ladies frequently they really cannot raise the price on you if they desire to keep your business. If you get a great deal one day go back the next day and get the same deal窶ヲask her what her work days are and tell her to remember you窶ヲand if you tell her that you will see her in a particular time frame then show up so you can keep getting the same deal窶ヲand she will start to recognize and remember you. If you find a lady that gives you good service do not give her tips窶ヲ..never, never, never窶ヲ..she only cares as far as your wallet extends窶ヲ.generally speaking窶ヲ so to avoid screwing everyone else窶冱 deal don窶冲 spoil these prostitutes窶ヲ. none of us are here to marry them窶ヲ.we all know that they are human and have feelings, yada, yada, yada, 窶ヲ..however they are in the business of pleasing men (many, many, many, men) so they have chosen to earn their money in this fashion.

Hint: if they like you they won窶冲 ask you for extra but they might give you extra窶ヲ

9) Getting laid窶ヲmost places will try to get your money in advance however try to get it where it is in left in plain site on the table窶ヲshow them that you have the amount agreed upon and that you will leave it here (arms reach away) on a table or back rest whatever is close until after service is provided窶ヲ..that way if there is any BS窶ヲduring the getting laid process窶ヲ.like a lubed hand job, the chick has a dick, or any other unfortunate mishap other than getting laid you can cancel all deals窶ヲ.once you give them your money it will be hard to get it back窶ヲ.if you are not getting the service you expected.

窶ヲfor the most part I have not had a problem with leaving my money within arms reach away窶ヲ.you can tell them why you want it like that窶ヲ.it is strictly business窶ヲ.but make sure that you don窶冲 cheat them from the money you agreed on if they have given you service regardless how good or bad it was窶ヲ.once your dick is in and you have busted a nut that is pretty much the deal sealer unless they don窶冲 complete it窶ヲ.because it will screw everyone else窶冱 deal.


This last weekend I was able to negotiate a price of 50,000 won窶ヲfor a 7窶ヲit was she and mamasan in the place窶ヲ.she locked the door窶ヲ.guided me back to a booth窶ヲgave me a BBBJ for about 5 or 10 minutes窶ヲ.then she mounted me until completion 窶ヲit was all good and the money was within reach incase of any mishap, service was provided, and I left the 50,000 won on the table. She cleaned me up then herself and took the money afterwards.. about 1/2 hr total sex time. It was on the upper half of the hill窶ヲon the right hand side towards the top窶ヲdon窶冲 recall a name of the place but if someone is in dire need to know leave your email and I will try to contact you with the name窶ヲhowever like I said it should not really matter since this list applies to 97% of the places there.

And for the one窶冱 that just can窶冲 get it down and need some help negotiating leave your email address and we can try to arrange something during a weekend if I am available.

Hint: I like to drink beer and getting laid.

Lighter9000
07-24-02, 06:10
Slow N Easy:

Thanks for your reports. Just a few comments. Some girls will simply refuse to go below a certain amount. Even if you threaten to walk. This is especially the case with the places that have a mamasan behind the bar. The girls simply can't go below a certain price.

I'm young (25) and fairly attractive and I've had HH girls refuse to go lower than 70,000 on a BBBJ... I just laugh and walk.. but they won't go lower.

I appreciate your point of view on not paying for too much, but you sound like a bit of a cheap-charlie and with sex, like anything else, you get what you pay for and I personally feel that when you low-ball a girl she isn't going to do her best for you. Now, granted, I'm sure some of us have paid too much and got crap service too, but I think the middle ground is best. My experience from the Hill is that paying around 100,000 yields the best service and the most eager girls. I actually prefer the hill because they are a) foreigner friendly and b) much less trafficked than the RLD girls.

But I agree, on slow nights if you go to a bar with no mamasan and no other clients then you're likely able to get a good price. But then you'll probably also have to screw in the bar and I won't do that. I'll only go to their apartment, personal preference really, its also been my experience that they seem much more comfortable and relaxed out of the bar.

Cheers.

Slow and Easy
07-24-02, 11:54
Lighter9000

I appreciate your honesty however I have to disagree with you in some aspects of your response.

You can call me cheap or whatever, personally I could careless what you want to call me窶ヲhowever my point is not to demonstrate my wiliness or lack there of to part from my hard earned money. The point is why should anyone have to pay American type prices too women that are willing to take less money for sex in a non-1st world country that is still developing. It窶冱 the people that want to act like the big spender or is willing to accept the first price out of their mouth because that have trouble getting laid, have no clue, or they just are not negotiating as well as they could that inflate the women窶冱 greediness to a level that it is currently.

Listen to what is going on in this forum窶ヲ. you have many foreigners that can窶冲 get laid in a red light district for under 180,000 and that is for a short time for a pristine looking lady窶ヲwe are talking about 9窶冱 and 10窶冱 take are usually screwing Korean guys. On the other hand you have the 窶廩ill窶 where the average lady is around a 5-7 that not only want to drain your wallet dry but they want to make feel like you should go to the ATM and spend more just to get laid. That can add up to over 250,000 just for the lady in addition to the bill in the bar. But it all boils down to about the same amount of time spent on sex. It doesn窶冲 take a whole lot of math to figure it out. These women in these bars are not worth paying American escort prices for. Do the math to figure out what they will make in an hour. And if I just do the math for me paying 50,000 won for 1/2 hr I am still paying to much cause you and I can still get laid in the USA for less than $80.00 for an hour. So am I still a 窶彡heap Charlie窶? I think not!

I came to this country 10 years ago and was able to have 4 ladies at the same time for a cheaper price than the market value is currently. Granted there is inflation big deal but there does not have to be over inflation.

There is not one single lady up on that hill that is worth over 80,000 won (roughly the over rated market value). Granted there are some that will not drop below a certain price窶ヲbut if anyone is willing to pay 300,000 won for anything on the 窶徂ill窶 let me know. I know there is better tang then that on the hill any many other spots for a whole lot less and equal or better service.

If you think you are getting better service by paying extra you should really think again she is not interested in giving better service she doesn窶冲 care even if you are dropping money to her, her only interest is getting as much money from your wallet to her wallet.

Do you think that any of these girls are eager to please you or me? Not even close. It is only about money. When they see any guy walking down the street they could care less how that person wants to feel, all they see is an opportunity to drain a guys wallet, it is part of their job description. The worse part of that is after they drain a guy窶冱 wallet and they only get a small percentage of it. So of course they are willing to go someplace for a shag because it is another way for them to make some extra cash and continue to drain your wallet at every opportunity. Like previous posts have stated many of they women are in debt somehow and at times get more into debt if they are not working hard enough, however there are more women that are relatively independent and have a choice to stay or go. Even if they hate the job the money is still better than a regular job.

Yes you might feel a bit more comfortable but that is it. It really does not matter if you screw on a table, sofa, bar stool, floor, bar, crowded room, or a bed your getting the same exact amount of time for sex. It is up to the individual on how much he is willing to spend foolishly or wisely. Time is money the more time they spend with you or me the less money they make if we are not dropping wads of cash.

So the best you are getting is a room (many hotels and motels cost less) for about 50,000 won extra that you are going to spend 20 to 30 minutes in that may allow somewhat more comfort than a locked bar door with a happier girl (because she drained extra money from your wallet) and that is the only reason she seems eager to please is she wants to hurry up make her money so she can go and make more off the next sucker.

Yes here on the board you hear some neat stories of ones adventures on the hill or elsewhere. But it all comes down to the price and quality of tang. The best bang for the buck. So that was my contribution to the fellows that don窶冲 want to spend their money foolishly like many on this board have done in the past up on the 窶徂ill窶. If you are willing to pay extra, go for it tiger knock yourself out, you are only hurting the industry by allowing them to raise the prices to an unnecessary level. But why would anyone want to pay anymore than they have too for anything? What is the point?

Lighter9000
07-24-02, 15:03
SlowNEasy:

I understand your perspective and I wasn't trying to be insulting at all. Cheap-charlie was more descriptive than anything else.

I agree with you that nobody should pay 300,000 for a girl on the hill. Hell, nobody should pay that for a woman ANYWHERE. I'm just suggesting that driving the prices as low as possible isn't necessarily the best way to go about things. And I think that 100,000 is reasonable for SOME of the girls on HH. The fact is that MOST of the girls on HH are disgusting and I wouldn't even pay 60,000 to go with them. The thing is, in my opinion, the few gems on the hill are worth going for. I won't get into a philosophical debate here, but its obvious you take a far more cynical view to prostitution than I do. But to each his own, its not important.

Also, when was the last time you were at 588? I have been three times and never ever been quoted over 90,000. And never over 80,000 in Miari/Yongsan/Seongnam.. been twice, twice and three times respectively... and usually /try/ to shop before I buy.. but was manhandled twice in Seongnam.

Cheers.

Seoulman
07-24-02, 17:19
lighter9000
you have been to seognam, youngsan, and 588..
have you been laid???

well I don't know you, but I could guess the A row girls are not even looking at you!..
and 588, the only girls that will shagg for korean prices, are the Ajumas, at the end of the street, you been shagging them>>>??
the other girls at 588, charge 120.000 for 15 minutes..or around that..some girls there yes will shagg you for 70.000 the korean price, a diamond in the rough...
youngsan, depends I guess, but the A row girls, noway!!
seougnam, be care there are many gangstars patroling around there, and they don't like foriegners, so I guess you didn't get laid either...


ITAEWON..think about..if a hooker on the hill can get 20.000won for a lady drink, where she might just talk to you, or play with your cock, then you buy another drink she will wank it, and let you fool around on her tites, then another drink, now we got 60.000 she might give you some finger action...
so the average consumer, first, novice hooker hill walker, I.E average JOE, the normal customer, the girls are making this, so why should they fuck you for 50-80,000 seems not worth it for them..If I was a hooker I wouldnt do it, I would be looking for the next fat businessman to buy a lady drink that lasts 3 minutes!!!

of course you get lucky, she will BBBJ for 40.000 finish you off etc...

ok the quote of 150- 300 IS A FUCKING JOKE!!
the reason why they do it, is because they have learned of expense accounts, rich businessman who make 20G'S a month.they don't care about 200bucks for a shagg for a korean girl while on business its a novelty for them, or 300.000 won expense account, fuck blow it all...
these people are making it harder on us, the poeple that live here.
sure we don't want to pay 300 for a shagg, not even 100
we want to pay 70.000 like the koreans who are fucking the A row big bust, tall slender arrogant looking korean girls...
we want what they've got!!!!.

the hill is a rip off, they see us as hard up foreigners, with money
they are rude, and if you say no, they just walk back inside...
I mean why is it that all redlight districts in seoul for koreans have prices on the door, 70 cash, 80 card, or 60 70 what ever
but hooker hill does not have prices, if they did they would get action...set prices for BBBJ..set prices for sex..I mean they love the 20.000 for a drink price!!! what a fucking rip off that is...
in KOREA!! man....
still roomsalons are over priced too...
there is sex to be had on the hill, depends on the day, the girl, the time,,,the mood, I have been quoted all kinds of shit, they just make it up once they see you..just like korean retailers!!!
HJ=40.000 BBBJ=80.000 SEX =150.000
fuck that!!! for 150.000 I want her all night!!!!!
not 20 minutes!!!!

I have been to seognam, no luck there, I was not to agressive, I wait for them to call me.,they no call I just walk, been there twice, no action...

youngsan, been there twice, again no action, I was only interested in the A row girls, they were not having any part of me, they even told my korean friend to tell me no foreigners!!!
the back row girls, were calling, ,but no thanks...

588 been there a few times, sometimes had luck, a row girls on the side roads, very attractive, tall slender, big tits etc..
she said I come in...I was shocked!!!!
more offers came from non main drag girls..I mean main drag is the entrance, where they have booths on each side, heaps of action, many people, cars, etc...
I doubt any foreigner will get laid there!!
had a few offers in 588 the same price..70.000 others quoted me 120.000, and some said when asked about forigners, they told us to go to the Ajumasm they do foreigners...
I just laugh at her, and said " no! you fuck Adusi I no fuck Ajuma!..
walked past the Ajumas on the way out,,JESUS HELP US!!!!
other times have been refused by the ones we want!!!

miari, well it deoends there too, some times they are kind, other times they don't even look at you..depends on the mammasans I guess, but the ones we are offered, are pretty fucking bad!!!
well bad whats bad, two tits a hole and heart beat!
what else you want!!,,naaa the girls are alright there I guess..
different kind of breed though compared to their sisters at 588, maybe the clothes, maybe the style, just they seem more depressed there! sitting on the floor waiting...where 588 its action they are hanging out the doors, grabbing people, calling out to OPPA!!

man this is getting as long as slowN easy messages..

better end it now on a positive note!!
thank god for THAILAND!!!

GameOver
07-25-02, 01:31
I've been a lurker for awhile and now my first post. Send you welcomes to me at your leisure.

I've been a participant in the Seoul game for about 6 years, with quite a bit of experience under my belt. I have gone through my psychological ups and downs with my attitude toward the scene and my own participation in it. I've come to the conclusion that there is nothing wrong with it, legally or ethically, and have decided to come out and participate to share and leard with other fellow hounds.

To get started, my comments on the recent messages:

588:
Someone questioned a foreigner getting into the A rows (I believe there are two of these) I've been many times, never more than 70,000. Quoted 200 once, I turned and walked, she called back at 70. Skip the ajumas but there are gems to be found in the side streets.

Yongsan:
Agree that most A rows won't go, or are really expensive. Did get lucky one morning aroun 8AM for 50 on the A row, and she was a 12!!! Only once. Yongsan is usually not worth the time.

Miari:
Never a problem but I don't like the place.

Itaewon HH:
This place really depends on your mood. If you are looking for just sex, go ahead and negotiate down as low as possible, skip the drinks and whatever. Go straight for it.

I personally find it quite enjoyable to sit in the bar, play around a little (or alot), buy a couple drinks (her and me, sometimes others), and prowl the neighborhood. Money is not an issue with me. If I'm going to HH, I plan on spending a bit. Luckily, very rarely has this been exploited by any of the girls.

Sex in the bar/booths is fun, unless the girl keeps looking around. I make a point of getting the girl naked as soon as possible to discourage gettting up for more drinks or talking with mamasan. Once they are in the buff for awhile, they seem to relax a little. If not, move on.

I've had my favorites over the years and some of them have come in surprising places. Check around and you might be surprised. Some of my favorites were good for sex, some for other pleasures, some wouldn't do much, and one actually wouldn't do hardly anything. Depends on the mood. I knew one chick who was actually a owner/manager of a place that would hang out, have a few drinks and gropes, then kick me out the door to get laid someone else. Pretty hot, too.

My advice, spend some time, stroll around, have a few drinks if need be in various places.

If all fails, get to everyone's old standby, the Tiger Tavern. Blowjobs guaranteed, without asking and no extra charge other than drinks. If you want more, don't believe what they say, it IS available in the bar.

I'm curious as to everyone's favorites. Can this list be started?

Vintage68
07-25-02, 03:06
I know this si the Seoul forum, but I'm new to this site and asked at the other places formum about Kunsan. If anyone could give me some info I would appreciate it. I will be there in March and heard that many places there are off limits to military. How are the prices, where are theplaces and what are the races of the girls. I'm looking for filipinas. Thanks.

USAforever
07-25-02, 06:15
aight, nothing personal against the people on this forum, I didn't mean to stir up some controversy. I guess you are right, people have differernt tastes. Robert Deniro only goes after black girls and all you guys are into chinky *****s. I aint got no problem with that. It's all cool. But man, If I were a chinkity gooky nigga as someone suggested, I'd probably be scared to look in the mirror.

Seoulman
07-25-02, 07:01
Game over..

A few questions if you don't mind..

miari, why don't you like it???

588 , ok you have been offered sex there, was it the A row entrance to the redlight. cars, girls, people!!! or was it in the side streets , how many times have you been refused?... how offen do you go? do you always get laid when you go?
have you been refused? what times do you go??
main road I find impossible..especially near the front entrance, too many eyes, and the girls couldn't lower themselves in front of the sisters by taking us... and too many koreans walking...so tell me your secret..cheers

Slow and Easy
07-25-02, 19:20
lighter9000

I was not insulted at all, constructive criticism, debate, and learning new ways is what this board is all about. I try not to be too cynical about this hobby and like to keep an open mind. My way may work or it may not for otherslet me know if it is not so I can go tweak and make it better or patch the loopholes- It is geared for the person that wants to get the best bang for his buckthat can be objective or subjective. I merely think of sex in termsfree or not free (how much the closer to free the happier), the good, bad, and the ugly, and how much of it I can get.

I tend to have a high sex driveI have a wife, girlfriend(s), and still like to play with new or a variety of women. I really don稚 need to go to RLD, HH, or MP. But the adventurous guy that I am, I just like to do it. Having obligations (home or corp.) like many others here you have to keep the expenses as low and discrete as possible to avoid questions and for the single guys to try and save money. And for the guys that seem to have bottomless bank accounts how about sharing the wealthgive us a high paying job or buy us all some tang don稚 spoil the hookers.

Lighter9000, I agree with you, for gems there are exceptions to the rule(s) especially when you break themhe, he, he. It still is an investment of some sort and as you are willing to pay extra for added comfort or security myself will analyze the comfort level if it doesn稚 feel right I walk. I take in consideration of my sexual needs as it arises. If my desires are getting met to my satisfaction then the less I spend now and use later. I love quality but I also need quantity (I try and maintain as close to high standards as possible, like the sign says no dogs allowed unless they have an awesome body then I can buy a bag to cover her head).

Many areas all around Korea quote or charge different prices according to the situation. We can understand thatthat is why I try to negotiate the lowest prices. I am getting more gems at a lower price that is all. The other point that I consider is the time value factor. Many of the women will limit your time or get in a rush (typical business sense) to make more from the next guy that walks in. For that reason I tend not to really part from my money so easy. It would be different if the women gave the same time and service for everyone however every man has their own time span and money controls the woman痴 emotional greed so personal service doesn稚 play a big part as the time does in the equation generally.

Lastly, I do the math. At the prices we pay, these women/clubs are making a killing off our simple but great desires. Even at the lower rates that I have been paying lately. I am not sure what percentage the women get, but my guess is that if they just work there, they might only make maybe 30% (just a guess) of what they bring in off of drinks. Anything behind the curtain or in a booth, well probably only a portion of that is getting disclosed, the other tucked, and she gets the kickback of the regular percentage amount of the disclosed portion. If she takes you to her place she may get allbut I am unsure with the break down for these women. It would be interesting to know.

Like my example, even for the average 15 minute fling in the booth at the discounted price of 50,000 won is still 200,000 won (approx. $160 USD) per hour. Double it if your paying 100,000 = 400,000 won (approx. $320 USD) per hour. Even if you average it through the busy and slow times, the suckers and the discount shoppers, and the club percentage and the private entertainment at her home/hotel/other, it is still likely to be close to 200,000 260,000 per hour on average when they are working. So they are still making money. I am basing these figures solely upon what I think they are charging the average guy I have no data to back it up other than my personal experience and what has been stated on forum boards.

Slow and Easy
07-25-02, 21:24
Seoulman

I understand what you are saying about the 滴ill but look if they set the prices there then they have to change the whole area.

They would have to bring 鄭 row women in along with the pimps/muscle, change the look of the hill, put more restrictions on the people allowed in like the RLD, and most of the 鄭 row type girls would still have attitudes.

The other bad deal would be that the negotiating would be limited for different services. See a lot of these places are giving almost free HJ痴 and BJ痴 (buy the drinks) deal. Like lighter9000 and I we negotiate are sex prices within our comfort level, where as if there are set prices we would be limited in negotiations. In the RLD痴 even I can稚 get much lower than the posted price where on the 滴ill there is better opportunities to get a freebie or a really discounted price. I don稚 think that happens much in the RLD痴 if at all unless your dropping some major $$$ consistently but even then it really is not a freebie because you have to continue to go back an spend a lot where as on the 滴ill you could probably swing into a deal with limited trips and softer on the wallet.

The last point should also be recognized, if you set prices on all of this then you screw the end consumer 砥s賠it is exactly like the regulation and deregulation of certain goods and services except in this case there will not be price caps there will be price floors (minimums) on everything. So everyplace you go you will pay a higher expense, probably poorer quality, and poorer service because the drive for competition is hindered due to the lack of making extra money. That is also one reason RLD痴 鄭 row girls have crappy attitudes everything offered you can get for the same price 1 step away. You don稚 see them rejoicing to any great level even when the Koreans come through. To them its just another 70,000 won with the same lousy percentage.

Where on the 滴ill everything can be negotiated down. It is up to you and your negotiating ability to get what you want for the best price.

I would like to address your 努hy hook theory.
1) Just because you may drop 10,000 20,000 won per drink doesn稚 mean the woman receives a large percentage of that. Maybe 30% (just a guess) the rest goes to the house. Just for an example she will get 3,000 won ($2.50 USD) per each 10,000 ($8.30 USD) drink. She would have to sell 40 drinks at 10,000 won each just to earn $100.00 USD. Each girl would have to sell 40 drinks each just to earn that. I don稚 even see that much 菟eople traffic up there for them to sell that much each. Even on a payday weekend for the military or regular workers they don稚 look that busy. I still see many of the women sitting in the doorways on the busiest weekends. That is why they hook they are not making money if they don稚 give up the kittythat is what brings the customers back to the barmamasan has known this for hundreds of years and is probably being generous by even giving 30%.

When is the last time you went to a place filled with women and came home that night saying 展ow!!! That was a great place to have a lot of fun blowing my money on women that I don稚 know on overpriced drinks. What a bunch of swell ladies maybe I will go there every night and empty my wallet on themit is better than getting laid. Hopefully never, pussy hungry guys like us would never except that BS. We tend to go to places where the odds are in our favor on getting laid. Mamasan could careless what the girls are doing or what gets sold as long as she seems to get a cut of the money. On the other hand, the girls know that they not going to get squat unless they give up the kitty and stash some cash. It is no different than being a waitress in the states the principles are the same but the service is different. They get minimum wage per se for doing what they are doing all tips are extra.

That is why they give up the kitty for us.

GameOver
07-26-02, 00:33
Seoul Man,

Things I don't like about Miari

Dark, covered alleyways,

Fishbowl point of purchase standard (as opposed to the individual windows 1,2,3 girls in each) makes meel feel uncomfortable, don't know why

Standard of girl is lower, in my experience.

Sex on a mat in a closet (Miari) vs. being in the girls bedroom (588). Lots of little personal effects, toys, pictures, etc make the experience nicer.

While having food is good, seems a little inappropriate to me to suck down noodles late at night in a ***** corridor

Having said that, I have had good experiences but it is low in my priority list.

588

I'll qualify by saying that it has been awhile (1 year?) since I've been out there so things may have changed.

I would consider 588 to have 2 main rows. One is wide and one is narrow. I say they are both Main because the quality is the same. I have been accepted numerous times in both, by the hottest ladies you will see. Of course, I've been rejected too but accepted more often than not.

I've gone at all hours, can't really say when I've had the best experiences.

Keys to success? First, I speak Korean. Second, I am young and attractive (don't mean movie star but well dressed, well groomed, fit, etc)

Biggest key: DON'T shop too much. Many people will say "take your time, look around and choose the best." This works in Itaewon, where they are targeting foreigners, but not 588.

I used to go and stroll up and down the rows, looking for the hottest chick. I figured, as long as I'm paying, I'm going all out. It is a luxury to be taken advantage of.

Whoring in Korea is not a luxury and nobody looks at it this way. The girls will not respond well to you if they see you ogling past them more than once or twice. Look once and make a choice. Good memory is key, even if you've been drinking.

This was told to me by one of the girls, she said "Nobody here wants to take you because they think you are too picky and a little creepy, perverted." Only because I walked through a couple times. Oh, these girls all know each other and the talk, from one house to the next. They will often switch houses as well so your favorite might be across the street.

Of course, best way is to find a favorite and go back. I know we all like variety but I knew one that would throw freebies in, go two shots, bring a friend, etc just because she knew me.

Korea girls often have either a curiosity or a distaste for foreign men. The also like simple "funniness." If you can capitalize on the curiosity and show some fun and humor in your approach,
you'll probably have some good success.

Pretty general stuff but hope this helps.

game over

Spotted Dick
07-26-02, 16:51
I went to Itaewon tonight to visit the Venus club on the hill. Specifically, to check out whether Mindy really is "the best yet." She has a good sense of humor, a gamer's attitude, and really sucks the cock quite well. Wants too much money initially but the blowjob I received was definitely worth W100,000. I'll be back.

She reads this board too.

Seoulman
07-28-02, 16:38
how can you say 100.000 is worth it??
NOWAY!!
tiger tavern doesn't even charge that much, and they suck the best cock in itaewon, technique is down pat!..
100.000 should have included sex...
sorry Seoul, you get ripped!! she played you!
the average price for BBBJ on the HIll is 40-60 and the girls know it!!!!
never pay anymore it just adds to inflation!!!

Alex20
07-28-02, 16:38
I have been to Dinasty hotel last night, quite disappointed by the service...180000won for 40 minutes short massage, BJ and sex. The girl was not very smily and seemed not to be in a good mood.
Do you know where is the best place to get a high level service ?

Slow and Easy
07-28-02, 17:04
You can get pussy for 50,000 ~70,000 won don稚 over pay!!!!! On the 滴ill

It is amazing!!! Paying 100,000 won for a BJyou got to be kidding. You think that is a dealit probably is a handshake BJ. You know where they jerk you off for 90% of the BJ then blow your wad into toilet paper while jerking you off to finish it. Even if was a great BJ you still overpaidto 溺indy at the Venus club curse you for overcharging but since you hooked someone into paying too much well guess you just got lucky I hope no one else pays that much.

Some of the posters here are making me crywhy, why, why, why, is everyone so insistent on paying to much for these services?????

I have read posts not only from this board but others also. I am amazed at what I read about that so-called 堵reat deal or 的 didn稚 mind leaving a huge tip because she 鍍ickled me fancy but the service was expensive and I am broke . What ever your excuse is for overpaying is a joke and it is just an excuse. 鉄he did extra, 妬t was worth every penny, or 妬t was a once in a lifetime these are bullshit excuse痴 for the reality of getting suckered into overpaying. These excuse only become non-excuses when you did not over pay when she did extra then it was worth every penny and it then became a once in a lifetime experience. What is going through your minds when you pay about $80.00 USD for a BJ. You can still get a great real BJ for $20 USD in the US and free here with a purchase package (by a drink deal).

What is even sadder is that people still insist on paying above USA prices for pussy in a 3rd or 2nd world country. Come on you guys. what are you doing???? What are you thinking???

Look everyone wants a deal on great pussy with all the bells and whistles type servicewho doesn稚? But wouldn稚 it be a better deal if you could get more of the same deal? People in general are greedy in some way. Many men crave the wonderful sex, variety, and other pursuits of happiness. But I also know that people like it when great things are inexpensive. Since most of the posters here frequent pro痴 or of the like, wouldn稚 it be great if you could get more for less?

I tend to use simple math to support my point. If one is able to get the service that he wanted for half or less of what he was expected to pay one would say that he got a deal. Since we can say we got pussy for this or that price, many of us may include that we got a deal. But you only get a good deal when you know you are paying less than the going rate or that you paid the same price as the next guy so you didn稚 get ripped off.

So here is the math if one pays 50,000 won for great sex (what ever your expectation for great sex/service/etc is) but he thought that he would have to pay more so he had 150,000 won to spend. Wouldn稚 it be a better experience if you could enjoy a similar experience 2 more times?

I just don稚 understand why some of the posters here think that they had a great deal when they are over-paying. Granted there are the 登nce in a life time experiences but why over pay for it???

I know that some think that I may be a 鼎heap Charlie賠.he, he, he..from the (lighter )side (lol). But my intentions are not to insult anyone痴 intelligence; it is only to raise awareness that great pussy here can be purchased at a much lower cost then what some are paying.

Just to inform the people that may question the prices mentionedread a previous post by me with how I do it...then go and try itresults will vary no doubt but stick with your game plan and don稚 get suckered. I think that many of you guys are getting out negotiated by some of these girls. Accepting the first few price out of there mouths or believing that is the lowest they can go because what?? They said sothat is BS. Look these ladies need to make money and that is fine however don稚 let them out negotiate you. Even if you are a poor negotiator you can accomplish thisjust stick to your negotiating price limits.

My final thought is if everyone started offering way lower prices and walking away from some of the pussy (not easy), you can get it for a lower price. I am not saying that we have to boycott or go with out pussy but informing the pro痴 that we are not paying the high prices. They will earn their money from the other suckers out there so don稚 be a sucker. But if you find a sucker let him know to stick to the lower prices next time. Lastly if the Korean nationals are getting 鄭 row quality pussy for 70,000 won then we should be able to get the same deal or cheaper for non- 鄭- row quality. Even for an overnighter you should not have to pay more than 160,000 ~ 200,000 won. The cheapest overnighter I had been 125,000 won. She was not a dog, not fat, or old.

kpussy
07-28-02, 19:11
Went to the Hill, Paradise club,(top of hill) Girl wanted $230 for sex. Paid 40,000 for two drinks for her and my two beers and left. Did fool around with her a bit. The girl had a good attitude but seriously thought she was entitled to the $230.

Next went to Log Cabin, Yu Mi although young looked sort of old. Good tight Bod, paid 100,000 for sex in the booth. She was enthusaistic and did a great job. A little disconcerting as the other girls walk buy the booth to go to the bathroom. Hard to concentrate. Next time, discovered we could have gone to her room for the same price.

Next night inadvertently walked into a free lancer on the sidewalk near Cheers out on the main drag. Julie, was young, sort of studious looking and really likes sex. Went to a cheap Korean hotel and for 50,000 won fucked her brains out. She tried without a condom and I would not let her.Seemed a little disraught about something and wanted to come with me. (don't think that Mama would understand.

GameOver
07-29-02, 03:09
Tried an experiement. Went out to Yongsan early in the morning (6AM) when there would be no other customers and no other revenue stream for the girls. I'm thinking that maybe the A row would be willing since they would have no other opportunity.

It has happened in the past but not this time. Got the usual walk away from the window, waving off of hands, "no", whatever.

Oh, well, have to use the other alternatives.

To the fellow with the bad Dynasty experience, I'm sorry. That is usually one of my favorites and I'm sad to hear that maybe the service is going down.

Note of advice: I had a girl with a bad attitude at the Dynasty once. Asked to change the girl. She tried to argue her staying, tried to improve her attitude but I wouldn't have it. She got pissed and left.

Next one in was GREAT!! Hot, young tail. Fun attitude, extra long time. She was planning on going to SF to work in the AMPs over there. Everyone in SF should be so lucky.

game over

Spotted Dick
07-29-02, 07:12
One of the best things about a free-market economy is it allows for the exchange of goods and/or services between a willing seller and a *willing buyer*. In other words, if the price seems fair to me then it is, in fact, fair. I agree that W100,000 is perhaps on the high side for a blow job, but in all honesty I have paid W400,000 for a far worse blow job at a room salon and still had a good time.

Tiger Tavern is good too. The same W100,000 (or W130,000 if I'm feeling spendy) often buys a fuck there.

Gameover, what was the name of your massage girl at the Dynasty?

Seoulman
07-29-02, 10:31
man this country is crazy!!!
180.000 at the dy~Nasty!!
dayam! and he only got 40minutes
come on, this is a joke..
100.000 for BBBJ, 20,000 for lady drinks, rejection by *****s at youngsan, bet they weren't rejecting back in the 50"S.
or even pre 88 games!!
now look at them...
sex on the hill they want 200BUCKS!
300 bucks..500 bucks..
spend 1 million won in roomsalon for some converstaion whiskey drinks..
MAN!!
now here we go...
what the hell has gotten into these girls minds..they ain't models working out of VEGAS!

for 200bucks US..I can get a glamous model in VEGAS..ASIAN, european, AMerican don't matter..that kind of money no woriries...

these girls, as much as I love asian girls, korean girls..they should not be demanding, they should feel insulted to even ask for 200-300 dollars, of coursr the less attractive ones, who are 30"s settle for 100.000, is still bullshit!
why do we have to pay any different than korean men pay, and they get to fuck the young 21 year old tall hot chicks we get left over HH sluts. for 200 bucks a nut!!
no way, and they rush you!!
bulloCKS!!!
people that pay 300.000 won for sex should be shot!!!
thats almost a plane ticket to thailand off peak season, lash out another 300.000 you be shagging girls for a week all night, with out the bullshit attuide, where they think they are doing us a favor!!!!
Thai girls feel apreseative when you give them money, Korean girls are pissed its not more!!!
still no point bitching this aint thailand, its not PI..but still, it aint VEGAS either, so why are HH sluts acting like they are pornstars!!! just greedy bitches, who think they have power...
man picky hookers!! thats one for the memoir huh...
even on 9/11 when the hill was dead for like a month, the girls didn't drop the prices they raised them, of course no one went! how retarded is that..
problem is there are too many rich businessman with FAT expense accounts who don't really give a shit about paying 20.000 for a lady drink in a more upscale juicy bar for conversation, SUCKERS!!
then the hill they charge the same but put out a bit for it,
never pay with credit cards, becuause they add way more drinks than you acually had, and when you dispute it, they say no no you drank you not know..BULLSHIT I DONT KNOW!!! just shows they have no respect for them selves or you!!!
personally I hate most korean hookers!
and the hill is for special nights when I am showing friends in from out of town, I have had enough of them, lying, cheating, dishonest, rude, and think they are gods gift...
but I agree with slow n easy..
dont OVER PAY!...

Lighter9000
07-29-02, 14:13
Have to chime in here...

Guys come on.. regardless of what you told yourself afterward, 180 at the Dynasty and 100k for a BBBJ on Hooker Hill is a serious rip-off.

I know when you're horny you just wanna get some but you really got think stuff through. I know its hard, I've been on the hill numerous times, when this pretty young thing is chatting me up and has me almost thinking that "yeah, 200k for you is a good deal.

Best thing to do is get your head on straight before you go trolling for poon. Decide what you're going to spend and stick with it. For me, on the hill, its a maximum of 100k for FS... I don't buy BJ's... but if I did I wouldn't go for more than 40k in Itaewon, if for the only reason that a short cab-ride away I can get FS for 50k-60k in Yongsan.

Hate to sound preachy... but really, when you're paying WAY TOO much, you're doing yourself a disfavor and it has nothing to do with market forces.

Cheers.

Vintage68
07-29-02, 19:37
I'm not sure how it is in Korea, but every where else in the world I've been I know one thing, these girls will charge you based on your appearance as well. These are the type of variables that can make a difference between one guy paying $40 for a BJ and the next paying double that. If you go in there all skanky looking or you do not practice good hygiene, expect to pay higher prices than a guy who goes in clean cut and well groomed. Think about it for a moment. If you were a prostitute, would you charge differently for a Jennifer Lopez (we can only dream) than you would for a Rosanne Barr? I know Rosanne would have to pay me some serious coin before I stuff my face between her thighs! So the next time you hear of big discrepencies in pricing consider the source and think what you would have charged.

GameOver
07-30-02, 01:14
About the Dynasty:

I rarely get the names. Don't know why but maybe because I like the variety of someone new each time. I do remember one, though.

One time, I had a girl named Na Young. This was my first time. I went in on a Saturday afternoon. Led to the room, pay the cash (160 then, prices have gone up) take off my shoes and socks, light up a smoke and wait on the couch.

About 15 minutes go by before Na Young comes in. She's dressed like a nice Apkujong girl, pretty sundress, sunglasses pulling her hair back, high heels, etc. Beautiful face, looks good so far.

She says hello, asks me to undress, gets a toothbrush ready, and starts up a hot bath. When I sit down in the bath, she leaves the room for about 5 minutes. Comes back, gives me a cigarette while I soak and she goes back out to the main room.

I love watching the girls undress while I'm in the tub so I turn to check her out. She pulls off her dress, nothing at all underneath. FINE body!!! Pulls her hair on top of her head and comes in to talk to me in the tub.

Get out and get the scrub down all over. Dry off and lay on the bed for massage.

Na Young climbs on top, naked, with no towel between us and gives a great massage for about 30 minutes. When she's done with the massage, out comes the lotion for the body scrubdown. Always wonderful. Cleans off the lotion and gives me the kiss and lick all over, including the lovely and very thorough rimjob.

Moves over to the BBBJ for a few minutes, then climbs on top. Rides for awhile then rolls over and I get on top. We went at it for about 20 minutes, no complaints, no "hurry", she's either loving it or doing a great acting job.

When we're done, we lie down, smoke a few cigs, she plays with my bone and body and talk. Another shower and I'm on my way.

I'm somewhat of a regular and the desk girls knows me (I want to nail her skinny butt). Always brings me a different girl. Rarely dissapointed.

I've only had one that was not attractive, and one with a bad attitude.

200 on the hill is too much I agree. Yes, you can get cheaper at a RLD. But, from my experience, the Dynasty is well worth the 180. You say you can get that in the states. So what!! The girls I've been with at Dynasty are model/actress/Playboy fine. On par or better than the A rows at Yongsan/588. The quality of the girls and quality of service make it well worth it. I wouldn't pay that in Itaewon ( I have but we all make mistakes.)

If you're looking for quick, cheap fucking, go as cheap as you can go. Dynasty for me is a relaxing sexual experience, not just fucking. I'll spend the 180. If you all follow the advice to not pay that much, then I'll pick up the spoils.

By the way, this is what the Korean guys pay.

Seoulman
07-30-02, 10:14
GAmEOVER!!
nice story dude...
so then you pay for a 30minute massage
then as long as you can go for???

is it possible to nut off twice?
do you pay for time or just score?

because I like to come twice, once with a bbbj all over her, and then I need about 10 minutes or so to get up again, eat pussy will help that, then I want to finish from behind hammering her...

will that be ok dude??
can you tell us abit about how it works in there...
thank dude...

Slow and Easy
07-30-02, 11:43
i still cannot believe what i am reading about the "hill".

granted a free market offers some great things。ヲallows for the exchange of goods and/or services between a willing seller and a *willing buyer*。ヲ

i am a willing buyer from a willing seller for a fair price。ヲ also knowing that the market price should be around that fair price not per se always what i consider a fair price.

the point is not about whether or whether not you feel 。ーspendy。ア what kind of bs is that. if you are going to feel 。ーspendy。ア, spend it on a bj, getting laid, or an all nighter a second time around or another night. what are you thinking??????

these women will tell you whatever you want to hear to make you think that they cannot go lower。ヲit is all bs they are just trying to get the most money they can from the consumer. and even if you felt she deserves extra based on good service/attitude it doesn。ッt mean give her extra。ヲthat is bs also。ヲhere in korea the tip is already included in the service. so that means what ever she agreed on is what you give her and no extra, even if she made you feel like a king or calls you a 。ーcheap charlie。ア.

i have gone back to the same girls on the hill and have always negotiated the price that has been consistent between all of them and have never given them a tip。ヲalthough once in a while one may try but i will not hear any of that noise. when i return to the same girl that tried to get a tip。ヲi still negotiate the same price and still never give her a tip. in fact i don。ッt even buy them drinks because that is also bs.

honestly guys。ヲwho cares if she drop dead gorgeous or butt ass ugly。ヲthere is no reason to pay any extra for her if you don。ッt have to. some of you guys make me laugh so hard。ヲthere are some of you that will overspend on tang almost all the time but for other product/services at the market you will haggle over a dollar or two just to say you got a bargain. whatever you bought at the market will most likely last longer than the time you spent with the girl and it probably costs a whole lot less. pussy is the same thing it is a service sold at a market it can be negotiated just the same.

with pussy though it really plays with your emotions. why? because you want to get laid。ヲit is also when you let your little head to all the thinking rather your big head. yes she could be the greatest thing since sliced bread, she sounds sweeter than the most pleasant melody you ever heard (tells you whatever you want to hear), she rubs you in all the right places, oh she looks so tasty that you would drink her own [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) from her sweaty old shoe if she asked you too because she was so irresistible, and you would still overpay her because she says she can。ッt go any lower because of ever excuse in the world. worst of all she knows this.

wake up and smell the coffee。ヲyou。ッre not marrying the ***** (i know she is a person and has feelings。ヲyada, yada, yada。ヲand she needs to make a living and all that other sensitive bs you want to reply with。ヲshe has a choice to do or not to do this type of work) 。ヲbottom line is that you are just having sex with her. it does not matter how you boil the water it always boils at the same temp.

Seoulman
07-30-02, 20:34
SLOW N EASY!!

I am sure many girls tell you to fuck off on the HILL though..
alot of girls wont even have sex, they only want drinks, others wont go under 100.000 they will just say no and walk back inside RIGHT???
the girls you are doing are the ugly ones, not so hot ones I BET!
I have been on the hill for three years am now 27, and good looking and in good shape, alot the girls tell me 150, 200 what ever stupid price, I say no no 80, or 100 they say NO and walk away, or I approach them and say how much , she say 20.000 you buy me drink, I say, NO NO I know care about drink, how much SEX, I am no sex...and then again walks inside...
or have been inside, bought a drink then asked for sex, they say no I don't do sex. or ok 300.000 sex , I say what! come on get real, they say you know want then leave!!

as much as you want to come on this board and tell us how fucked we are whatever, fact is these girls are not all for sale, and some of them are tough salesmen,

I want you to be honest know, and tell us all the times you got rejected, told to hit the street, get lost etc...
because I know it's happened to you..
tell us dude...
P.S I am not making a personaly attack toward you, just want to hear your stories regarding the negative..
thanks dude..

GameOver
07-31-02, 00:59
Whoah, Seoulman, slow down!!

Dynasty, and other hotel Turkey/Steam Bath, Sports Massage places are fairly straight forward. You are paying for the whole package and I have never tried to break it down into its parts. You pay, girl comes in, you get a bath, massage, oil massage/body scrub, blowjob, sex, another shower, and gone. (order and completeness of the package varies. Some don't do the bath, only the scrub down. Others will skip the real massage and go straight the oil. Don't be demanding, just go with the program.)

If you double-nut, you'll pay extra, probably double. Only once has a girl offered to go again for no charge. Actually, I think she felt sorry for me because I blew about 1 minute into the BJ (whoops!! it happens, though)

All covered, except sometimes the BJ. I've heard that many Korea guys get more bareback but intercourse is always covered, no matter the nationality, so I've heard. I highly doubt that you would be able to blow on her tits. They try to hold a classy image and that just doesn't cut it.

If you don't like the girl, you can ask to change. Unfortunately, you cannot "pick" the girl but this adds a little fun to the game. I haven't had too much bad luck so don't worry about it too much. Also, don't send them back too often. One time, 1st girl was bad, sent her back. 2nd was worse, tried to send her back and she said I could only do that once. I argued and only when I demanded my money back did they switch girls again.

This is based on the Dynasty. There are others and I'm sure they all have their little differences. For example, I went to the Green Grass Hotel near Seollung station the other day. After all the massages and rub downs, the girl insists they only do handjobs on foreigners. I argued this based on the fact that I had fucked many times at the same place. She called the manager and got the OK because they recognized me. When I left, the manager told me that when I come in, I should make sure to make clear I want sex (I would think this was assumed)

There are now many barber shops that have showers and massages behind secret doors. This is an upgrade from the other stories and worries about sex at the barber shops. You'll get a brief massage in the chair, then they will take you to back room with massage table and shower head. I've found these places to be a little more liberal with the nastiness so you might want to try them if you want to blow your load all over the place.

Spotted Dick
07-31-02, 02:18
Before the Lions Sauna closed up, I used to go over there for a double- (some days triple!) nut special all the time. But I was a regular and had a special girl. She was anal-friendly, which is rare in Korea. The basic price was W140,000 and I would regularly tip another W30,000. It was all bareback and full-course: BBBJ, 69, pussy fuck, mutual rim-jobs, and balls-deep nice-n-slow buttfuck. She had a clean, tight ass (must've used an enema when she was out of the room or something) and would suck my cock straight out of her ass. I would usually spend about 90 minutes with her and we would go straight for the fucking. I think she must have been as in to me as I was in to her.

A few times we had a two-girl engagement and it was just as hot, although she wouldn't let me fuck her ass when the other girl was in the room.

I would usually go once a week. God, I miss the Lions Sauna.

Slow n Easy, who are the girls on the Hill who will let you fuck their ass, and how much should we pay for that?

Slow and Easy
07-31-02, 15:04
The "Hill"

Seoulman-It is undisputable that I do get rejection. Everyone does. However one thing that many should realize about how helpful the rejection can be at certain times. If a girl tells you she does not have sex, fine 都ee ya, have a nice day". However be polite with her because it may only be a matter of repetition before she says yes. Mere politeness can go along way. Even if they tell me to get the heck out, lost, or go some place else, always thank them for their time and tell them to have a nice day.

I do not shag the ugly onesjust for perspective- I take in account their approximate age and base their looks accordingly. 18~40- If they look good for their age then there is always a potential chance that I may try to negotiate something. However it is also good to know what the maximum age you willing to deal with, for me approximately 40 yrs old base on looks always. I also believe that the average age falls between 25-35 with the more on the high end than on the low end. (Just a note- personal preference is different for everyone so, Seoulman what you consider hot, one may consider just average or vice verse.)

Seoulman-just from reading your post in response to mine, you may have already lost on your negotiation. The first thing that I think is in error is when you say no,no 80,000 or 100,000right there you have just set your minimumand she is winning on the negotiation at that price because it is still higher than the RLD 鄭" row girl. The second mistake that is made is that you went inside and bought drinks and tried to negotiateyou lose again because those drinks add to you final price if you actually negotiate sexand if you cannot negotiate sex they still win because they got you to buy some drinks and they did not have to provide sex. Your presentation may need some fine tuning also. try to be polite, don稚 get pushy or desperate, be confident about your statements on price in other areas, remind them that RLD girls are of better quality/attitude/willingness, and don稚 be afraid to walk away from a deal or get rejected. Lastly, not everything is based on looks, although it helps to be clean cut, have good hygiene, and have a decent appearance. The right attitude in addition to good negotiating skills is key.

Just a note-don稚 over dress for the 塗ill" the richer you look the higher the prices seem to bego casualshorts or jeansbut don稚 go looking like a slob.

As you may already know that sad but true fact some of those women think that they are gold plated, god gifts to mankind, and think that what they say is the rule. But what they don稚 realize is that there is just as good piece of ass right down the street. They can talk all they want to one another about what they will charge, how they will lure a sucker in, and the services that they will or will not provide but it always comes down to the mighty green. Bottom line is that if they get rejected enough from men they will change their attitude. The reason why is that they will starve on the percentages that they receive from the bar owner. See they maybe able to sucker the guys that will go there several times and never return, so be it. However it is the return customer that will fill their bank account.

Since it seems that many of the posters that engage in topics such as ours seem to be staying for a while. It is also this information that the business travelers will also look at. Since corporations may have to really look at those accounting practices, I don稚 think buying pussy ($300.00 potential customer entertainment cost) is on the expenditure lists that will be reimbursed.

Here is a current storyI have not have been here as long as some, however I know how to play the game especially with these women. I went on the 塗ill" one day not long ago (about a month ago), when only some places were open, with the advantage of the places opening a little early you can get some sunlight on your subjects. As you know they beckon everyone, pass up any ugly ones, just be nice as you do it as they may introduce you to a cutie. As I was walking past some of the ugly ladies a door swings open and there was about two or three cuties. Since they had nice tight bodies and it seemed that there was potential of having sex, I stopped just out side of the door. The girl that initiated the conversation was pleasant in talk and looks. Of course the offer of 田ome in and drink" BS was the first thing from her mouth. I politely told her that I am not interested in drinking or buying drinks for herI told her straight, 鄭ll I want is sex and I am not going to pay a lot for it, and I don稚 buy any of the ladies drinks so please do not ask". She was polite and said she does not have sex. 徹kay thank you for your time, have a nice day hope to see you again, bye" And I walked, as much as I wanted to negotiate and try to haggle some deal for she was hot, I kept on walking. I just had to leave. I went to some other places to try my luck. A day or so later close to the same time I saw the same girl, she actually remembered me but still asked for me to come drink. I gave her a smile and said, 土ou know what I am looking for, and buying drinks for beautiful ladies is not it" She replies with 土es I know you are only looking for sex" I kept walking on to try my luck elsewhere. Another day or two goes by and I was walking the 塗ill" again maybe around the same time or little later. Again she pops out of the door and ask the same thing again and I gave her the exact same response and kept walking. However this time she calls me back and asks me some general questions, the why don稚 you come in and have one drink type questions you know the ones that only take a minute. I held my ground and told her the exact same thing. Thinking, that she was just trying extra hard to get a drink out of me. So I started to back away and she said, 登kay how much"? just to be clear I ask her how much for what"? She replied, 鉄ex賠now we are talking. I asked her what she was charging; of course it was a large number 200,000 won. I quickly replied to her 土ou must go a lot lower because I know what I can get sex for around here and at the RLD and it is for a whole lot less" At this point she may have realized she does not have much of an advantage to get my money unless she drops down the price and still has sex with me. She offers 80,000 won which at this point many of you would have took with out blinking. I said 渡o way that is still too high they don稚 even charge foreigners that much in the RLD" I countered with 40,000 won she says 60,000 and I replied with 50,000 won. 徹kay" she says, rather eagerly I must add. So that is why patience is a virtue. Of course, YMMV depending on other factors. However I have been consistent with my negotiations and have been able to get the same price give or take 10,000 won at many places on the 塗ill".

The key strategies that I use are:

Play by your negotiating rules not theirs. (Stick with it; you may get some rejection from time to time that is normal)
Just state your expectations (All I want is sex, no buying drinks, etc)
Try not to state an amount until she is close to your price, and then always lowball your price, let her state the amounts. Example of a recent negotiation with an 8~9 girl dependent upon ones taste- (results can vary from person to person)
She- 200,000
You-you have to go a lot lower than that,
She- 130,000,
You-come on now I know I can get sex around here for a lot cheaper (or you can say 吐or a quarter of the price" stated if you some quick division and the answer puts it into the 40,000 won range) from an equally attractive woman,
She-then how much,
You-listen, I can get it still cheaper around here and in the RLD where the quality/wiliness/attitude of women are a lot higher.
She-how much have you paid?
You- well I have had paid as low as 40,000 with attractive women on many occasions.
She- 70,000
You- 45,000
She ?60,000
You- 50,000
She 俣Okay" or she will stick with 60,000 at this point you can decide if you want to hold out for 50,000 telling her that 50,000 is what you pay everywhere else, offer 55,000, or agree to her 60,000. [/list=1]
[list] Don稚 go in the bar until you have done all of your negotiating and you know what you are getting and what you agreed on. (Keep your end of the bargain)
Don稚 buy any drinks for them or yourself through the whole deal. (They will try but always remind them that you don稚 buy drinks)
If you are going to have sex with her than attempt to keep the money in hands reach until after you have sex. This will have to be negotiated every time give them the reason why. The reason is to make sure they uphold their end of the deal. (That way if it turns out to be something other than sex you can at least bail and cut your loses to a minimum and you won稚 have to bluff them with bodily harm or cops, hold them to their end of the deal. Just for the record I have not had any problems with them after negotiations or before/after sex)
If they say they 電on稚 have sex" then thank them and move on don稚 waste your time until they have a change of heart (as the night goes by you may get lucky on one of the passes or in a few days).
Don稚 act desperate even if you are. (They will sense that and will not budge on price)
Don稚 haggle over a 10,000 won or less difference from the average market amount of about 50,000 won unless she is not as attractive as you would like then YMMV and you could lose the deal. On the bright side is if she was not as attractive then you at least saved your money any you won稚 regret not banging an ugly.
If she has an ugly face but a 塗ell of a body" let her BBBJ and do her from behind. (he, he)

Just because they say no a few times does not mean that they will never have sex with a guy for money. Look at what I did, although I was in need of sex and if I did not keep my head on straight I would have overpaid like many others have. See what many don稚 realize and even if you do, is that there is plenty of places that will give you sex for 50,000 won give or take. So if you are trying to score a hot chick on the hill you have to remind them of the reality of things, like the prices that are being charged elsewhere, and the quality. Even if they say go elsewhere or this place is different, they cannot hold out that way for very long. Because the number one reason is that 95% of the girls on the 塗ill" are not 鄭" row quality girls so one should never pay more than one would pay in the 釘" or 鼎" row of a RLD (30,000~50,000 won) so they will starve. Two is that 95% of the guys that visit the hill want sex so they have to provide sex at most of these places otherwise there is the potential to lose too much business granted we can always go elsewhere it maybe inconvenient for some but if it gets the point across, so be it.

Wolf
07-31-02, 18:56
Hi every one,
I visit Seoul regularly (about every 10 days or every week sometimes) coming from Japan.
I have had several experiences, most of all I must say rather disappointed and expensive. Some, hopefully very satisfying. Either with free lancer pick up at night club, or with youngsters (between 18 and 23) picked up also at night club (mainly at the Hyatt JJ) and believe me free (no charge) and ready for any experiment. Some as low as 80,000 (yes, at the Hyatt. you are right Slow n Easy when you say we must negociate ! It works). Some rather expensive to my taste but including some very nice back action (had to strongly request anyway). I also have tried Dinasty and always have had good experience so far. I also went to Capital Hotel Sport Massage place and have had good, bad and worse (but mainly good).
Tonight I decided to try a telephone number given by a friend of mine who promised me I was going to get a wonderful lady who does body massage in my hotel room. I can tell you friends that I did not really believed him but decided to give a try since I was alone, tired, and horny !
Believe me : I hardly have had before such a good massage.
The girl came to my room, was very friendly, rather cute. She is a tall girl with large breast and smily face, very nice hands and very nice feet. Very well dressed as well but nothing too fancy. I offer her a drink. She took water only. And she asked me to undress while she was preparing the bed for the massage.
Massage was absolutely fantastic. It was swedish with oil. Real technique. The girl is a real massager and really excels in doing this.
It lasted for 1 full hour. She used oil, rubbed my back, my legs, my breast, Cleaned me completely with warm towels, etc. At the end she asked me if I wanted to sleep or to get some extra. I told her that I wanted extra and she started to very gently caress my penis. She used oil and rimmed my lower parts and massaged very slowly my balls. She did it very nicely and warmly for about 15mn, getting me in a state to leave a Chimp ashamed of himself. Then she started to masturbate me very gently, very softly and then more quickly but still very softly till she made me exploding in the air. Man, that was good. And I told her. She was very pleased I liked her technique and I told her that I would like some more. She asked whether I was asking for full service and I said why not. She then asked if I had a condom and said that it would be a bit more expensive but would worth it she promised. Unfortunately I had no condom !. So she politely declined but proposed very kindly (and did it) to caress me once more. She made me came a second time. Incredible attitude. So GFE. So nice and soft. She speaks a perfect English and explained my that she is professional massager but gets extra money this way and enjoys it. But she told me that she does not perform sexual massage to persons that she does not feel confident with. So she asked not to recommand her to people I would not be sure of.
All in all, massage + massage again + talk, she spent about 2 hours in my room. And she kissed me good bye !
Guys, it costed me 90,000 Won for a real extraordinary real massage (not a stupid touch touch) [this is the same as any Hotel Regular Massage service cost] + 20,000 Won for the extra. Yes you read it well. 20,000 Won. Incredible. And she said that full service would be 200,000 Won. That is including 90,000 of a real professional massage ! So only 110,000 Won more that just the massage. Unbelievable I know !
I asked her to come and visit me tomorrow and she said she will.
She works from 10h00 a.m. to 1h00 in the morning.
For those who are interested and would like a try, you can contact me here and leave your request with your e-mail address or phone number. I shall come back to you with her phone number. If anthing valuable in return either in Seoul or Tokyo, I shall appreciate. Not a condition though.
Wolf.

MrGhostRider
08-01-02, 03:11
To Wolf,

Would appreciate your contact, please send me an e-mail:

agoodfellahk@yahoo.com

and ill be willing to see what i can offer in info.

regards

Cavechu
08-01-02, 04:53
Wolf

Please also provide me with the info. My email is

charlie007_svn@yahoo.com

thanks.

Spotted Dick
08-01-02, 05:00
Hope this massage girl is as good as you say. Guess I'd like to find out ... email ssurv@hotmail.com please.

Cingleman
08-01-02, 08:25
Wolf:

Please email me with the info, as I will be visiting for the first time in about a month. My email is tm007_20057@yahoo.com


To Wolf and everybody else:

I just read through most of the posts on this board, and they are very informative. Often times boards can off on tangents that have nothing to do with sex! Thanks for all the valuable information here and for keeping it real. I hope to be able to add to the knowledge found here.

Cingleman

Slow and Easy
08-01-02, 13:27
SeoulSurvior

I would guess that for many of these women that anal is uncharted waters. Many of them may not even allow you to try it if they really do not know you well enough. I had one lady let me do anal on her because she was on the rag, however let me tell why she let me do it.

I was cruising the "Hill" and stop to negotiate some poon. Was able to get her down to 40,000...thinking that I got the better end of the bargain. She locks up the place and we head to the booth...I quickly noticed that she was wearing panties...which is okay...however in my touchy feely time I notice a bulge so I had to make sure what I was dealing with. I turned her around and told her to take of her panties. She was reluctant at first however I made it very clear to her if she was not a woman that it would not be a very pleasant experience swallowing her teeth. She dropped them down and there was a big rag pad. After that I asked her what the heck this is...You brought me in here to have sex while your on the rag...hell no..I am taking my money and leaving. She pleaded some and even got to the point of begging. I told her that I did not like a bloody mess and if she wanted to do it so bad that she would have let me do her in the ass. I really am not much of a ass player however I was upset at the fact she was not telling me the whole deal...I was very clear to her about how she made a bad deal. So she agreed, I told her that I would be gentle with her. Which I was. I think that because she screwed the deal was the only reason that I got that for that price. After I was done and cleaned up. I had to ask her if she likes to have sex that way...she said she has only done it a couple of times and really does not offer it as a opition. She said that some girls will do it but it is extra in price...she said around 20,000~50,000 depending upon the person and other factors.


My guess is that you would have to ask some of the ladies first and see what your response is. If that is not successful then take a small tube of ky with you and when your fucking, lube up you finger and give it a nice slow slide in. If she allows that one finger in then gently move it around so she gets use to something being in there. If she is responsive to that then go for two fingers to allow her ass to stretch. If she still is responsive to that then probe a third. If she allows the third finger in most likely she will let you do her in the ass. You can attempt to ask her after the second finger however she may be reluctant. The if she says yes take it slow because you still have to get the head in which is usually the make it or break it point. They can still back out if you push too hard let her go back on her own with you guiding her. Once in just let her do the work until she gets used to it.

Go back to the same girl for second and third swing so she becomes comfortable with it.

That is my input for the anal seekers. Happy hunting..

Spotted Dick
08-01-02, 15:52
Slow n Easy... which club was the W40,000 girl? You can e-mail me directly.

Amateur
08-01-02, 19:04
New to the scene and want to thank everyone who has posted their stories here for the valuable information. I visit Seoul regularly and as novice as I am, I like to have more detail information on the following places, please:

1. Barber Shops: Where in Gangnam area (please be specific) can I get a good FS at a reasonable price?

2. Strip and Karaoke Places: Where in Gangnam area can I get a girl in the room, drink, sing and get her naked, etc. for some good time at a reasonable price?

3. Call Girls or Massage at Hotel Room: Can anyone suggest some contact info for me to call next time I visit Seoul? How much do they charge?

4. Night Clubs: Where can I pick up some nice chicks and bring them back to the hotel room for some fun action at a reasonable price?

5: Massage Parlors: Where are they and how much do they charge for how long?

6. Hang Out Buddy: I am looking for a hangout American buddy who can join me for some fun and expert advice during my next Seoul visit. Drinks on me for your help. If you prefer to tell me in priviate, let me have your email address so that I can write to you. Thank you in advance for the information.

GameOver
08-02-02, 00:19
Anal on the Hill:

First Class Club: In the history of the place, there were probably only 2 attractive girls that ever worked there. One was a real little cutie, about 20, lots of fun. After a few beers, we went to "the apartment." Mutual oral, mutual rimming, covered intercourse, covered anal (didn't need to ask, just went with the flow) and blew my load all over her face. All total about 2 hours for 100,000 (plus 30 minutes and 30,000 in the bar) Probably my best experience in Itaewon.

Starbutts?: The owner used to work across the street in one of the smaller places just past King Club. Never participated myself but have good reports that she is up for anything. A little older (35+) but actually looks pretty good. When she was at the other place, she went straight to the BBBJ as soon as you sat down with a drink.

Royal Club?: First place on the right on the upper hill. I think they changed their name recently, even added "restaurant." Really good looking girl (I've seen her in the daytime, too) offered anal on her menu for US$300. I talked her down to 100,000 and we went at it. I love sex in the booths but it wasn't too comfortable for anal.

FS Barber shop in Gangnam? Hit and Miss, even if fullservice is definitly available, you never know what type of girl will be available. I'll describe two that have been relatively consistent (but with an occasional dog)

1. ーィタレ if you can read Korean: Heading east on Teheranno (away from Kangnam St towards Samsung St), turn left just past the Renassance Hotel and walk about 1 block. Across the street, you will see the spinning pole and an orange sign with ーィタレ written on it. Go downstairs. 80,000~100,000. Doubles offered for 200,000, could probably go lower (I didn't take it) They will ask you to pay in advance.

2. No name: Come out exit 4 at Samsung St and turn left at the Textile Center. Walk up the street and you'll come to a large outdoor parking lot on your right. Turn right and walk to the end of the block. The first floor of the building was a restarant that has been gutted but there is still a well-marked staircase down. 100,000 and they will ask you to pay in advance.

Both of these places are a short massage in the chair, then led to a secret room for shower, scrub down, and FS.

jbyar
08-02-02, 03:11
Hey slow n easy:

I understand your problem man. Korea is getting ridiculously expensive. shit! 100 dollars for a BJ, what is this world coming to. Some of these prices are inflated of course. Based on a free economy system, the equilibrium price for sex should be around 60 or 70 dollars like Amsterdam. Granted Korea does not have legalized prostitution, and the price should be higher, but from what I know about Korea, it's practically legal based on the government's tendency to look the other way. I don't think the price should be around 20 dollars though, I think you are mistaking Korea for some third world country like thailand or phillipines. And Korea is no third world country! It used to be like that just 20 years ago, but comparing Korea to a third world country now is like comparing apples to oranges. I see a lot of people my father's age having that kind of perception of Korea. It makes sense because Korea used to be poor as some African nations, but now it's at par at least economically with some of the western european countries. They have a far way to go before catching up to American standards, but they are already within the level of the Europeans, financially at least. I usually visit Korea for their exceptional massage parlors, which is arguably the best in the world. I have also tried Japan's, but they aren't as good. In terms of enjoying some 3rd world pussy, where my Euro goes a long way, I usually head to thailand or phillipines. Last time I was there, I had a nice thai pussy for only 70 Euro, which is around 65 dollars for the whole night! Sex always feels better when it's easy on the wallet. I sugget you take a trip over to thailand. You'll never regret it.

Amateur
08-02-02, 23:30
To gameover, thanks for the information and the tip. I appreciate your input. I am still waiting for more from others. Thanks in advance.

Does anyone know any good place like barber shop, turkish bath, call girl (freelancer) to hotel room or massager near the new hotel call, Hotel Pop Green? It is located in Akujung-dong, across from Hyundai Department. Any referral would be appreciated. Phone number or location would do. Thanks.

IN SEOUL: I will be arriving in Seoul on 8-15 for few weeks. Is anyone interested in hooking up for some joint ventures in those fun places together? Let me know.

jholmes equal
08-04-02, 06:26
I am goinng to travel to Seoul on 10 Aug for business.pleasure. I am asking if anyone knows any hot petite chicks (locations of hangouts) that like to ride big cocks. I am tired of the weird looks and hand jobs when I pull the destroyer out of my pants.

Seoulman
08-06-02, 12:16
hahaah Johnny H...

SO YOU GOT 13" HUH, well good luck finding any girl to take it..
better try the fat , white, black girls hanging out in Itaewon looking for that brother love...
you wont find a korean girl who will take it..
unless you are maybe 8-9" then ok..but towering over 10" forget it stick with the handjobs killer~

maybe try that guy mac that advertises on here, maybe he knows someone for you..
dayam man, J Holmes same..hahahahaha

Seoulmac
08-06-02, 12:35
Okay, I am living now in Seoul for the past 2 months and frustrated with my "girlfriend" and looking for options. Anybody who wants to get together for drinks or possibly go to the salons or showrooms, please email me. seoulmac@yahoo.com

Also, no relation to that mac guy in the previous post. I am straight as an arrow and like my women tight.

Paddy23
08-06-02, 15:44
have been in korea 3 months now and have watched this board with great interest..do feel that the barber shops are the most underated services. O
n Saturday morning I went to one locally..around 6am...paid 50000, and led to the chair by a very sexy 23 year old.Got given massage and superb handjob with anal play.Then we talked for about 15 minutes while she brought me smokes and drinks. She told me top sleep and she came back aboutn 30 mins later where she proceeded to straddle me while giving me another exsquisite hj..before i came she turned around, sliding her pussy over my face and took me in her mouth 69 stylee...after she french kissed me and rubbed me down with warm towels.the whole expereience lasted about 3 hours which for 2 gos and 50000 was very good...i have found a few quuality places just by going into every place yil i saw a young girl(rare i kmow)..another place provided sex for 40000...albeit with an older girl..their hj/bj technique is always fantastic and at a fraction of the price of the assorted clubs/salons/bars etc.....f

Amateur
08-06-02, 16:18
Paddy23, where is the place at? I will be in Seoul on 8-15 and want to go to the barber shop that you just enjoyed. Please let me know. Scott_y00@yahoo.com. Thanks.

Lighter9000
08-07-02, 04:43
Paddy:

So where was this place and what day?

Reason I ask is because I think you're full of crap. Your "Adventure" reads like a Penthouse Forum article. I mean, seriously, you expect us to believe that a young girl was working at a barber shop and she double nutted you for 50,000? AND spent 3 hours with you? Yeah, sorry, doesn't happen. Unless you're amazingly handsome and she just couldn't control herself. You sould like that dreamer who posted on here awhile back about getting tag-teamed by two "sexy babes" in a Barber shop for free.

Not to mention that the majority of barber shops are not open 24/7 and not at 6am. But then, with "luck" like yours maybe you should be playing the slots at the Walker Hill Casino.

To everyone else: The only gaurentee at a barber shop is that you'll get a fairly sub-standard massage, a hand-job and it will be from some old lady trying to dress sexy with caked-on makeup.

If you want a nice massage + service then you need to go to Dynasty which has been mentioned below.

Seoulman
08-07-02, 10:30
PADDY..
sorry buddy!
but you're full of shit..
because the barbarshops are owned by a aduji, you think he is going to let you spend over 2 hours with his worker for only 50.000 YOU'RE DREAMING!
get your facts straight before you try to brag on this board..

the average cost for babarshop is 80.000 - 100.000 and does not gurantee sex!,,the right connection the right place, will sex you like there is no tomorrow depending on the papasan...

40.000 wont even buy you a beer and a cigerette inside the room, 40.000 wont get you shit in korea,,maybe a handjob on the hill, or blow if your LUCKY!
LIGHTER9000:
you too are wrong, some girls are attractive, and will sex you..
depends on the papasan though...
he is the boss, he tells the girls what to do, if he is looking for return business then he will make sure you return...
I have been several times to babarshops with my friends also,

always get laid, because we ask before hand whats the service.
and the girls are usually 25-30 years old, western age!
nice bodies..I mean who is going to sex some fat ugly broad for 100.000 won ..EVEN ADUSI doesn't want it,,if he did he would be home with his wife..
depends on the place...some have skanks, some have pretty girls, nice bodies etc...
I have been to some shit ass places with bad service,,,
then again I have been to some places where it was just like a turkey bath, except the baths, great service, BBBJ,massage, sex no rush, and thats where I usually go, its a competitive business you havce seen how many poles there are, return business is what they are looking for...its not 588, its miari, they have rents to pay, workers to pay, they need your business,
I have read stories here about guys getting dipped, how was that possible..???
everyone knows babarshop is massage, shave, bj, sex,
no sex you guys really got shafted..and should have told papasan,again the bad place,,and that shit about fat ajumas etc..
you don't have to pay if you don't like the girls, always, always ask to see the girls!!
remember folk..588 , youngsan is off limits to foreigners..might find two or three there that will take you, but of course it aint the one you want, ain't that model looking 20 year, straight out of the magazine, its an alright girl with a nice body...
so if you want better service, then try turkeybath, or a good babarshop, I guess you need someone to show you around the places, once you know them, then you head out there by yourself
BUT,,I will end with this..
you people are wrong about babarshops...
I think you have just hit the wrong ones...
damn those 588 girls are hot, too bad we cant sample them..
wonder if they will do handjobs, or blow jobs then, NO SEX???
what you think??
fuck I will pay for a handjob, those girls are fucking hot!!!
as long as she is naked, and I can diddle her, she handjobs me, fuck yeah I will do it,,,
what ytou say people??

Slow and Easy
08-07-02, 11:25
To SeoulSurvivor: I believe it was Sunny S...or the next to it 1 or two doors.

To amateur: Leave your email address so I can get in touch with you...

To gameover: Good review about the "Hill" can you give me better directions to the barbershops that you have mentioned... seems like there is a few in the area... want to get the right ones...thanks

To jbyar: This is still not a 1st world country...they do have limited modern technolgy that at times are better than the states (only because Japan shares it with them first) however they still have floods in places that are higher above some lower places that never get flooded...go figure...can't figure out a drainage system yet... and they live here...they still can not figure out when to turn their police lights on or off, they don't have many street names on many streets, I still can not find my address on mapquest, still can not find a map that is actually like a thomas bros.I will even take just a map that has all the street names, they have so much fake brand names for sale I could open my own dept. store...so please what world country is this...charging prices higher than america for pussy...give me a break.

To paddy23: give me detailed directions and location to the place you went to. If I get half of the service you did with a 20~30yr old I will personally back up your story.

To lighter9000: I have been to alot of places that are open 24 hours a day, however they do close the shop down on different days...many of the places that I have been to will let you sleep for sometime... the longest I have slept at one was 6 hours 2 am to 8 pm. I walked in shortly after 12:30...the girl only spent about 50 min.~1:15 min. I check the girls out first...if I can not then I will try again another day...so they see me again...then they may be more willing to see the girls...but if you go too late at night when some of the girls are sleeping then they will not wake them up for you...your out of luck as far as looking...but alot of places that are nicer looking when you go in seem to have the better looking girls. They places that are just so so can be a hit and miss. I have always asked at the door if sex is offered...and to see the girl(s)...if they are fugly (fat and ugly) I turn them away and ask for a younger lady with a smaller body...if they can not provide than I am out...I also have had the price ranges with all services offered from 60,000 to 100,000...average being about 80,000. The only place that I have seen "A" row quality girls were asking 200,000~250,000 for an hour...forget that noise...I am not hearing that BS.

To Seoulman: I agree with most of your post with exception of them kicking you out to quick...however it could be changing because one place did rush me out the door in under 2 hours. Was in did my thing...got my service and was out rather quick...however it was only the one place.

Seoulman
08-07-02, 14:51
slow and easy..
send me an email please..
got to talk to you abit...
cheers...

seoulman101@yahoo.com

jbyar
08-08-02, 06:23
slow n easy: you are absolutely right in that regard. They do have some technology that's better than the rest of the world, but when you look at thing that are really fundamental to good living like flood control, clean air etc, they still need some work to do. Economist call Korea a NIC (Newly Industralized Country) like Singapore, but it seems that Korea is not really up to the level with singapore yet. Korea reminds me a lot of spain. They are considered a developed country like spain, but like spain, they don't compare to the US. Then again you can't really compare a country like US to Korea or Spain. So in retrospect, Korea is developed in a sense that it is comparable to Europe. And you know there is a whole lot of difference between europe and the US. Like Europe the set price for ***** should be around 60-70 dollars, no one should expect to pay more or less than that.

Slow and Easy
08-08-02, 10:04
To jbyar: If you insist on paying at least that or more you are more than welcome to. Pussy just seems so much more enjoyable if it is free or relatively cheap...I personally don't think that I should have to pay more than I have too...ever...If I can get it for lower than what everyone pays than I am happier. The closer to free...of course the better. I do not believe in this BS about if the rest of the world is paying 60 or 70 dollars for tang then we should also...first of all this is not the rest of the world...further more why does anyone have to pay more for what...what is your point? Are you trying to set the world market price for pussy...BS...don't tell anyone that this is a reasonable price here...don't even tell me because I know you are overpaying like some of the other posters also. You may pay that price for a barbershop that spend time rubbing you this and that way, suck your dick for awhile, then sex you up. But you are paying the time. If barbershops get stupid also I will bust on them like I am busting on many posters for paying to much. So my point here is stop paying to much...got it.

If all the pussy in the world was free no one would complain. As soon as it started charging 1 dollar everyone would complain. Therefore I struggle for the people that get suckered into paying too much for pussy...I let people know that they are paying to much...granted not everyone can get the same prices for whatever reasons. Of course there are factors...hygeine being the main one...looks could be on the list but I don't think it is very high on the list from what I have seen. Failure to negotiate hard enough is also a fault.

Paddy23
08-08-02, 13:48
well..i am a bit surprised at the lack of belief in myexperience (altho given the amout of bullshit on this board i probably shouldnt be)
Directions:
Take the blue line to sosa station(aout 35 mins from seoul station)..make sure its the incheon train, not the suwon train. Go down the stairs and turn left on the main road that travels under the station. go straight, u will cross a small road and the barber pole will be i front of u(one big pole on the path).Its on the second floor just before the pc room. Jun hee is the girls name.
I believe the reason I got such a good service was firstly the time (it was early) and also because she could speak very good english so we could build up some sort of rapport.
And may barber shops open extremely early out in the sticks..on any taxi jourey back from seoul i see at least 30 open between 4.30 and 8am.
I left only when the only other customer came in and she said "Ive got to work". i am uder no illusions that should i go at a peak time the same experience would b repeated..
I agree that most barber shops u will find ageing women where the towel over the face is a godsend (cant see the bag who is servicing u)
80000 may b the going rate in seoul but in pucheon i have never paid more the 60000..40-50000 being the average. Just like most services the barber shops are cheaper in a area where the residets have considerably less money. I also dont see the benefit in bullshitting..my belief is that this board should b used to share legitimate information so the hunt for relief can b made all that more easier....

Seoulmac
08-08-02, 14:22
Damn paddy, you have put your pride before the great experience you had. If it was so good and you prefer to have it for yourself, why post the place and name? Hell, I find a girl like that I am going back for seconds. Who cares if others call you a liar, it is like winning at the casino- you got lucky and keep it as that.

However, now you have raised my curiosity and who knows, maybe one of us will visit the place one day.....unless of course you are getting that treatment for giving the place a plug here for free!

Yaoming
08-09-02, 06:23
The advent of Korea's advanced IT sector is based on their aggressive strategic effort of investing in research and commecializing of university patented products. Crediting their success to Japan sharing its knowledge with Korea first is just ludicrous. Anyways, lets stay off from all these socio-political-economic topics and talk more about SEX!!! After all this is a forum about sex right? I'm a nABC (American born Chinese)- hobbist. I want to get some advice from some of the people in this forum about sex in Korea. Up to now I was some what dissuaded from the women of my own race. I have found caucasian women much more attractive. Maybe I was brainwashed from all the media, but I couldn't stand the lack of ass/tits/ round flat faces and noses, and their relatively unproportional body figures in asian women. I have been to Amsterdam where my focus was on white women, but I have been hearing some good things about the red light district in korea a from several korean friends. Is it that great? From what I have heard, the service is unparrallel, a step above amsterdam. Did anybody have experiences with bbbj bar? I was told that thailand has better deals, but I'm not really attracted anybody with a skin tone that is darker than mine. And I'm not really into their SE asian facial features of flat faces and flaring nostrils. I know that Korean ladies are the closest thing to a white women in asia, so I'm keeping my hopes up. I also found some taste differences amongst asians and caucasians in respect to women. All my caucasian friends seem to like the traditional oriental features that are frowned upon in contemporary asian society. It seems that they don't mind their flat noses and their slanted eyes. Some people might call me a race-traitor or whatever, but I like asian girls with caucasian features, which white people are not really into. So did anybody with similar taste with mine have any luck in red light districts in korea. I guess, I want to hear from an asian guy's perspective. It seems that I have very similar taste with Korean guys, so if there is anybody on this forum who is korean, can you tell me about your experiences. I see a lot of good posts here, but it seems that most people posting are white, and I don't how my taste compare to their's. I heard that girls in 588 yongjukol and miari are really fine, anybody who can verify that? I plan to goto Korea with couple of friends of mine soon. Any advice or comments will be appreciated.

Spotted Dick
08-09-02, 14:38
Just checked out paddy23's barber shop. While the experience was great, and I recommend it, there are some elements to his story that seem to be pure bullshit. Let's give paddy23 the benefit of the doubt and say he exaggerated things just a bit.

First of all, the price was W60,000 and there was no sex, just a first-rate very greasy handjob and three fingers jammed up my ass by a girl who manhandled me with a wicked smile. If you're going in for an excellent handjob, this one would have to rank in the all-time top three.

Secondly, Joo Hee does not really speak very good English. If we would have had to converse in English we would have exhausted possibilities in about 10 minutes.

She's also not really young, being 29 (sez her) instead of the 23 reported by paddy23 and a little bit flabby in that 30-ish way, including the pooch that possibly comes with squeezing out a baby. (But her ass is really meaty and strong, the way I like 'em.)

Finally, Joo Hee was furious at the description of services by paddy23: no oral at all, just hand-play she says, and no eating at the Y. Certainly not for W40,000, not now, not ever.

I did get the panties off and played with her muscular ass, though. But I'm a sweet talker and my Korean is pretty good.

Her tease capacity is outstanding, with light touch all over the body. And basically Joo Hee is a very pretty girl who used to have a great body.

She would also blindfold you and tie you up if you wanted (not really my bag). All in all, recommended, but not earthshakingly good value. W60,000 plus a little cab fare and I could just as well have been fucking a hottie in Kangnam (W80,000).

Exit 2 on the Sosa station, otherwise paddy23's directions were pretty good. Joo Hee says another foreigner had been in there yesterday, and another before me today, so apparently the word is out. Tell her you saw her name on the Internet and that Jack sent you. She is getting married to a German pretty soon (21 year old kid -- he's in for a wild fucking), probably leaving the country within two weeks, so hurry up about it.

But she was so mad about us talking about her on the Internet that she said I was the last foreigner she would take. So your trip might be wasted.

Slow and Easy
08-10-02, 06:33
So it seems paddy23 your experience may have been fogged with illusion a bit. Maybe at 6 o。ッclock in the morning you either were still sleepy or drunk to really know what really happened. Well that is okay at least there was a lot of truth to your adventure with exceptions of the misted details.

Seoul Survivor thanks for sharing that with the team. I was going go there myself to check it out and if I would have had half of the experience that paddy23 had I would have backed up his story.

Since there maybe a game to all of this we should try to strategize our efforts. Since we know there is hit and miss at some places we should try to find the places that are consistent with service especially with foreigners. Let。ッs start talking to the girls to see if they don。ッt mind us sending some other friends to visit them. That way they are not getting surprised with people saying I found you on the net BS. That is a sure way for them to not except us quickly. Since our goal is all the same。ヲto get laid。ヲthen lets go about the right way. Let。ッs ask nicely。ヲ

Everyone have a great weekend。ヲ

Moody
08-10-02, 15:25
Originally posted by yaoming
...but I like asian girls with caucasian features, which white people are not really into. So did anybody with similar taste with mine have any luck in red light districts in korea. I guess, I want to hear from an asian guy's perspective. It seems that I have very similar taste with Korean guys, so if there is anybody on this forum who is korean, can you tell me about your experiences. I see a lot of good posts here, but it seems that most people posting are white, and I don't how my taste compare to their's. I heard that girls in 588 yongjukol and miari are really fine, anybody who can verify that? I plan to goto Korea with couple of friends of mine soon. Any advice or comments will be appreciated.

I'm Korean and I've been to both 588 and Miari. I guess you would call me an ABK. My taste in Asian women runs along the lines of most Asian men. I prefer girls with light skin, large round eyes, about 5'6", etc., etc. Anyway, concerning girls at 588, on the surface, they look really hot. A lot of it though, has to do with the way they dress and cosmetics. They dress really slutty and they cake the foundation on. When you see them naked and close up, you will realize that they're not at pretty as you originally thought they were. Occasionally, you will find really pretty girls in Miari. I think perhaps these are girls who are forced to work there. Again though, on the surface, all the girls look really pretty in their crazy outfits, but again, a lot of it is misleading. Once you get them naked and see them close up, they're not what you thought they were.

If you want really hot girls, you have to go to room salon. Think about it, if you're a really attractive Korean girl, why would you work at 588 where you have to screw almost 10 guys to make the kind of money you would at a room salon screwing one. The last time I was at one was almost 4 years ago. The girl I had was the best piece of arse I had in my life. What made it even better was that my host paid for her.

Cavechu
08-11-02, 04:57
Moody

what was the price for the room salon girl?? thanks for sharing yoru previous comment postings.

Yaoming
08-11-02, 07:15
Moody:

thanx a bunch for your insight, it's great to see another asian on this board. growing up in california, allowed me to be real close with the koreans. i took good notice of some of the real hot korean babes and the not so good looking. i always had a preconcieved notion of hooker in korea as being really foul and ugly based on the argument you have just made. if they are so hot, why the fuck would they work at a *****house? however, i've been talking to korean yuhaksengs who described their experiences at *****houses in korea as being terrific. they said some of the girls actually looked better than some actresses, so it is natural that I started having some doubts over my prejudices. most of the korean sluts in l.a. seemed to have that stereotypical korea facial feature of slanty-eyes and square-like faces. according to white definition, that would be considered exotic and sexy, but I'm not really a fan of that traditional asian look. I talked to a korean friend about this and he said he shared the same taste. however, he told me that he had been surveying the rld in korea since he was in middle school, and he told me that i will be pleasantly surprised. I know the girls at room salons are hot as shit based on what i heard from a chaebol friend who had shit loads of money to spare, but i don't think i can't affort that kind of budget of $500-600. that could wait until I'm a little older and richer. you seem to know a lot about sex in Korea, how is yongjugol, I heard that place is pretty good too. some people on this forum also talk about bbbj bar. i don't know if such things exists in korea. i heard of such places in thailand, but Korea? Well thanks a lot for the info. Lets keep in touch.

Yaoming
08-11-02, 07:27
Moody:

I cannot overlook the comment that you made about your host paying for the service at the room salon. Do you work in Korea right now? I heard about this korean boy who graduated from princeton that got hired to work in Korea. his boss actually paid for the girls and the drinks everytime they went out. he actually emailed his friend in america about the whole ordeal and got into shit-load of trouble for it. that faggot needs to learn how to keep his mouth shut. man, that must have been some experience though. screwing all the hot girls in korea paid for by your boss, who's an expert at room-saloning. I guess they really appreciated his princeton education.

Spotted Dick
08-11-02, 09:55
http://198.64.129.160/sex/tattled/chung.htm

ortega
08-11-02, 10:55
Hey everyone,

I've been browsing the boards for the last couple days and it's been really interesting. I just had a quick question, is it a common practice for a hooker to give you her # and invite you out for dinner and drinks some time?

Seoulmac
08-11-02, 12:11
No it is not common to give out number and meet up later, unless of course she is really into you! I myself had a GFE (great fucking experience) last night in Miari with a young 23 year old who didn't speak jack in English. We broke the ice well anyways laughing and giggling when I tried to put on her dress and it was just so nice to be with an "inexperienced" girl and not have sex be mechanical and rushed. Wanted to give her my number but was not sure how to go about doing it as she was waiting for me downstairs where the mamasan and the other girls were. All in all, such a GFE, I tipped her and also mamasan too as I plan to go back and those tips go along way in service the next time. Hopefully I will get either her email or number to meet up again somewhere more convenient. ;o)

Cavechu
08-11-02, 13:58
SeoulSurvivor/yaoming


regarding http://198.64.129.160/sex/tattled/chung.htm, loose lips still sink ships. I have no doubt since he been fired that he had enrolled in local college on the course of "discretionary" tactics about "braggadocio"...those people who fired him can be so dual faces about his manly quests.

Slow and Easy
08-11-02, 14:36
The boss was probably buying it with company funds then he was expensing to the company. Then in order to save his ass he got the rookie fired.

To ortega: She may be just working on the side to avoid any extra cut to mamasan. Be careful with the dinner and drinks so she doesn't take you for a ride that leaves you broke and not laid. If it is just a run of the mill resturant then it probably is legit.
Good luck on your adventure...let us know.

kaisersosa
08-11-02, 15:23
went to a empty barber shop an hour outside of seoul early this week and paid 50000 for full mass, with hj. however the hag who was servicing me took off her panties, gave bj(?)
and got on top (facing away) and proceeded to fuck me
... or did she?

didnt wear a condom and came out feeling foolish.
have since
heard this is a common Korean trick... that i just got a glorified
hj not FS... is this urban legend or is it true?
should i be worried?

unsure.

Paddy23
08-11-02, 16:16
well it seems some of you have misinterpreted my post..first of all i never claimed that what i experienced was "normal" or would be repeated every time I left. I beliieve the reason I got a good service was the early hour. also i never said i paid 40000, i paid 50000..probably again because i said i only had 50000 and the place was empty.
I also never claimed there would be sex..i didnt have sex with her. Also i never claimed that every tom dick and harry would get 2 timed complete with facesitting etc...Like i said i believe it was simply a question of right time right place....
As for her age..i admit i got it wrong..i am seriously bad at telling korean girls ages as they all seem a lot younger then they actually are(to me at least)
Unfortunately the girl in question is now seriously pissed off about my message here and aint goin to take no more foreigners..dont know if she will even be working there after this week..just so no one wastes a journey..
I agree with slow n easy..should share information regarding bs shops that will take foreigners and dont mind word of mouth business..unfortunatly i misinterpreted the reaction of that particular shop..and the girl herself..was not impressed with having her name/location on the web...but u live and learn

simpler and easier to go to hollywoods and pick up a girl that way!

Cavechu
08-11-02, 16:37
Does anyone who live in Seoul or it surrounding know how much does a month rental of an upscale one to two bedroom apartment cost? thanks.

Slow and Easy
08-11-02, 19:58
Paddy23:Since you came clean with what really happened I will try my best to support you. Since we both agree on the BD issue to avoid further incedents I think that all of the posters should post their BS experiences so we do not confuse this again.


Ampguest: Leave me your email address...

BikeRider
08-12-02, 23:55
I want to thank those on the board for the info. I'm heading to Seoul soon for the first time in about 15 years. Sounds like things have changed a bit.

I also be visiting on a regular basis now, and I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good Turkey Bath besides the one at the Dynasty?

GameOver
08-13-02, 00:55
Hey, been awhile since I came on here. Just got back from the States (dry) and am looking to get back into the scene in Korea.

I've posted some information about barber shops in the Kangnam area and now I'm wondering if anyone can share there experiences with alternate locations.

Basically, I'm a little bored with my spots. I actually enjoy the anticipation of whether or not sex will be offered. I do have a fairly keen sense of what to look for, though, as I don't want to go in blind. But a bit of apprehension is kind of fun.

After reading through some recent posts, I am very interested in seeing some younger girls. I understand that this is rare in barber shops but I you have any experiences, please share with the crowd.

One more thing, let's start getting some more Turkey Bath info out here. I see the Dynasty mentioned a little too often and I don't want to spoil a good thing. Let me put out some other names and see if anyone has had any experiences there recently.

YoungDong Hotel:
near Shinsa station.

SamHwa (I think):
Next to Hannam Bridge, on the Kangnam side

Hotel Tiffany: Chongdam-dong

Hotel Elle Lui:
Chongdam-dong, Apkujung

Sunshine Hotel:
Apku

New Hilltop:
Shinsa-dong

Grand Intercontinental:
heard rumors, can they possibly be true?

Hamilton:
Good or skanky Itaewon girls. I really want to know.

Holiday Itaewon:
used to be great. looks like its closed. i've heard otherwise.

Capital:
was my first, many many years ago (I'll never forget that night, and not because of the Capital. A true "early in your Korea life, drunken and debaucherous (is that a word?) experience.")

Others????

Gameover

Cavechu
08-13-02, 01:40
Slow n Easy

Sorry about the delay, having problem accessing WSG forum in the states yesterday..all day my email is

charlie007_svn@yahoo.com

Thanks in Advance!

Moody
08-13-02, 05:23
Originally posted by AMPGuest
Moody

what was the price for the room salon girl?? thanks for sharing yoru previous comment postings.

At the good places in Seoul, you can expect to pay around 500,000W, that's just for the girl. The RS also costs quite a bit. My host and I went through 3 bottles of JW Blue (those tiny things) and the tab came out to over 1,000,000W. He's a regular there too, so it's not like they rip him off. At the super high end places where the ultra rich and the politicians hang out, the girls typically get 1,000,000W. I've never been to one of those though.

Moody
08-13-02, 05:35
Originally posted by yaoming
Moody:

thanx a bunch for your insight, it's great to see another asian on this board. growing up in california, allowed me to be real close with the koreans. i took good notice of some of the real hot korean babes and the not so good looking. i always had a preconcieved notion of hooker in korea as being really foul and ugly based on the argument you have just made. if they are so hot, why the fuck would they work at a *****house? however, i've been talking to korean yuhaksengs who described their experiences at *****houses in korea as being terrific. they said some of the girls actually looked better than some actresses, so it is natural that I started having some doubts over my prejudices. most of the korean sluts in l.a. seemed to have that stereotypical korea facial feature of slanty-eyes and square-like faces. according to white definition, that would be considered exotic and sexy, but I'm not really a fan of that traditional asian look. I talked to a korean friend about this and he said he shared the same taste. however, he told me that he had been surveying the rld in korea since he was in middle school, and he told me that i will be pleasantly surprised. I know the girls at room salons are hot as shit based on what i heard from a chaebol friend who had shit loads of money to spare, but i don't think i can't affort that kind of budget of $500-600. that could wait until I'm a little older and richer. you seem to know a lot about sex in Korea, how is yongjugol, I heard that place is pretty good too. some people on this forum also talk about bbbj bar. i don't know if such things exists in korea. i heard of such places in thailand, but Korea? Well thanks a lot for the info. Lets keep in touch.

If you've had a few drinks, the girls at 588 will look totally hot. It's when you're sober you notice things like the spare tire and the acne scars. RS is expensive. Just like it's expensive where I am now, NYC. There are low end RS too, usually called Min Club or Danlanjujeom. These places basically cater to middle class businessmen, but their prices are not so out of the world. Obviously the quality of the girls also suffers. When I was at a Min Club in March, Damn! I can't remember how much the tab was. I think it was around $500 for 4 bottles of Imperial. At those places, when you first sit down with the madam, you have to let her know if you want to take the girl back to your hotel. They have different groups of girls on call, and they'll call according to your needs. If you don't like who they bring you, you can send them back as many times as you want. The problem with that though is that it takes time. As for Yongjukol, it's like 588. I haven't been there in over 7 years so I don't know what they charge anymore. At 588 4 years ago they were charging 60,000W. I'm sure it hasn't gone up. As for BBBJ bars, those are basically relegated to Itaewon, at least that's what I hear. I've never been to one so I can't be 100% sure. You have to understand, Koreans aren't into oral as much as Americans.

ortega
08-13-02, 07:39
Hmm, I tried calling, but no answer, so I left a message. After thinking about it, calling in the evening was prolly not the best time.

In the meanwhile, does anybody know of any good overnight options? Besides say room salons or getting lucky at a bar? Thanks.

Seoulman
08-13-02, 08:23
ok guys , heres an experience for you.

I have a car right, and many kyopo friends, I am mid 20's good looking and my kyopo friends are pretty handsome guys also..
they were horny last weekend, friday night we go to youngsan, I am driving, the girls see me, they are already waving NO NO! I stop the car, say! " what are you blind!!! I have three koreans in my car!! LOOK!!!!! ..ohhhh ok you NO! but korean OPPA ok, come in!! my friends don't understand, because one just got here from my country back home, he was furious, told the ***** go fuck yourself ****, you wont fuck my friend I wont give you money dirty *****, all in korean!
she said" if he want fuck! he must fuck AJUMA!!
my friend say AJUMA!!! hahahaha
fuck off, lets go!!
keep driving I tell my friend this is korea bro, don't worry about it, drive further down same shit, they see me, its nO NO before the car as even stopped! again I tell them I DONT WANT SEX WITH DIRTY HOOKER! in korean! hahaha.feel abit better now.
my friend goes in, does his business with one chick we found on our 5th drive down, 10 minutes, for 60.000
BS MAN!!
saturday go to 588, again same shit, this times it's 7am, drive through, the girls see me, ITS NO NO, foriegner NO!
you know it in korean language right guys!! again I say I DONT WANT SEX WITH HOOKER, SO DONT WORRY OK!!
I DONT LIKE ****!! hahaha I am getting good at fighting back now,
again I SAY LOOK *****! I HAVE 3 KOREAN OPPAS in THE CAR!!!
ohhhh come in come in OPPA OPPA!
KOREAN OPPA!!!
keep driving finially we see a goddess!
OH MY GOD, I WISH I WAS ASIAN! this chick was breath taking, I FORCED my friend to fuck her, he was alittle afraid I think, taxi came behind me beeping the horn, had to go forward, told the girl wait be right back, went around the block she was gone, this chick is probably doing about 15 + guys a night, she would be the hottest girl in the 588 and I am sure all the girls no about her!! DAYAM!!!!fine..
so we had to settle for these two other ckicks, my friends jumpped out went in 10-15 minutes 60.000, again mE NO!
when me friend came out the guy who just got to korea, he walks up to a hooker and says what the fucking story why don't you girls do foreigners..
1: cock size, (STUPID-we are not dirk diggler)
2: we all have aids, sexual infections)
3: the hookers reputation will be tarnished if seen taking a foreigner
4: we all stink we don't shower!

then she looks at me and says, ok!
my friend says she will do you, BUT i don't want to do her, BUT!!!
180.000 for 10 minutes!
hahaahaahaha I SAID! in korean
CRAZY!!!
you should pay me to fuck you!

she said foreigner fuck AJUMA!
hahah come on what foreigner is going to fuck an ajuma down there they are scary!

so walked back to my car, and I teased a few girls about there appearance, about having fake tits, and eye operations to look western, but you wont do western guys, FUNNY HUH!
my friends are laughing their heads off, the girls weren't so amussed..
my koreans friends are funny, they would be in the car, choosing a girl they say no to me drive on, the girls will say OPPA WHY!!
my friends just coldly say..because your UGLY!!!
your FAT!!
hahaah make them crazy, they would be cursing the car driving off, the second round they would again curse the car,hahaahaha..funny shit...
ohhhh iI have been to 588 many times with my friends right, korean guys, maybe lets say 10 times, and I have only been offered by an 8 looking girl once for local rates, and that time I was with my foreign friend.she came out we were walking down one of the side streets see came out saying I will do one of you!! I said how much she said 60.
we walked around thought about it went back she was gone..
other times there is always one girl I think she remembers me, she always just points to me, and says HEY come in, hey foreigner oppa, but she just isn't enough for my liking, I dont like the cute kind, I like the sexy, sluty image girls with attitude, and another time, girls have offered me in for triple rates....
BS MAN!!!!!
but my friends say it ain;t that good anyway, 1 minute blow job no condom, then ride on top 1 minute, I'M TIRED!!
then she lay down star fish, wait for you to finish!! all the time they said, and they go offen...
when In youngsan I had my friend ask , OK NO SEX...I don't want fuck, I want only BJ, she say no, WHY? too much work!
hahahaha crazy bitches...
don't understand, they say there image can be tarnished, we have aids, but pay triple, for a couple of girls that will do you, the hot ones wont, because they don't need to, they will still go through all that shit, lose face, risk aids blar blar, for 180.000
doesn't make sense does it...
thought you said the look of a foriegner leaving your store will ruin you! yeah right, our cocks are too big painful, bs, you girls have had 200+ cocks in you the last 6 months, your pussy are loose very loose, my friends said, its too loose on most girls...
anyway we all know about youngsan, 588, jonyukgol, NO FOREIGNERS!!
but always a possiblity, on the right day at the right time, BUT I WILL NEVER PAY MORE THAN LOCAL PRICE FOR SEX!! why shoud I!!!
I am the erotic , exotic, theme for them, not everyday you get to sleep with a dark handsome Italian man...
miari, sure no problem they just keep walking until mamasan stops you, but I don't like those girls,...

barbar shops I think all take foreigners!
i have never heard a no form the papasan!! I bring friends there all the time they always get accepted, competition I guess and more descret! higher rents etc....
and always sex no fake shit, take charge man, do them!
I know so many places where babershops that will do foreigners!

what else...emmmmmmmm
ohhh talking about BBBJ bars...
man ITAEWON, TIGER TAVERN!!
they are famous, notorious, they have attitude, so don't fuck with them, they will just kick you out, these girls have had more cocks than you have had hot dinners!!!
these two girls have been there for 4 years , hot girls though, those legs man..and most bars on the hill will suck cock price is 40-+ up to you really, there is no set price..but BBBJ are available!.

588 normal looking girls not the 10 of the redlight, maybe a 6-7 for 180.000
compared to dynasty hotel 180.000
1 and half hours of pleasure, I know where I am going!!!!
180 redlight hooker 10 minutes !! hahah compared to barbershop 1 hour again of pleasure for 80-100.000 full service!! I know where I am going!!!

now I just go to redlight for eye shopping with my korean friends when they get horny. I have a girl friend, and a few casual on the sides, fuck those bitches, still haven't been to dynasty yet though, should go huh?..anyone kow how the girls are???

ohh one guy said is thailand like KOREA! MATE you are trying to compare apples and oranges!!
nothing beats thailand,,NOTHING!!!
thank god for thailand!!!

Slow and Easy
08-13-02, 11:47
Just for all of you that have left their e-mail address for me I have sent a reply to everyone that had requested a response.

Just requesting some info。ヲI heard that there are places somewhere I don。ッt know where。ヲbut there are strip club type places。ヲhas anyone seen or know of any in Seoul? I was also looking for places that have Filipinos for some visiting friends does anyone have any info on places that have them。ヲfor our type of entertainment. If they do exist how much and what type of service can we expect?

Happy Hunting

Alex20
08-13-02, 16:58
Hi guys,

Everybody is talking about Dynasty Hotel, have been there, nothing special, I think too much busy, service is not anymore good...to avoid. But where are the other top massage parlours ? Does anyone want to share good experience ?
About Barber shops, tried 2 times in Hannam dong, but always old woman and only HBJ. Does anyone know if the 4 poles offer better service. I was told that you can have FS overthere.
Otherwise, does anybody try the love hotel in Kyesan city (near discount store Walmart) ? It seems to be a "sex-factory" ? Is it possible to find a ***** there or do u have to be already with one ?
Last question: where is it possible to have sex with Thai, fillipino or japanese girls in Seoul ? Is there any place for that ?

Thanks for your advise.

Yaoming
08-14-02, 00:23
seoulsurvivor:

that's some story you got there. it's pretty fucked up that they don't serve foreigner or non-asians. I'm an asian and I was never refused in amsterdam. the hookers have some distorted image of white people. hookers get AIDS from korean ajushi's (middle aged buisnessman) who went on a sexcapade in thailand, not from white people. maybe it's a little different for soldier,who have high prevalence for stds, but not white tourists. They are probably the most clean because of the fact that they wrap it all the time. I'm going to korea in a few months with both my korean and white friends. It will be a pity if my white friends will not be able to enjoy themselves with us. It takes the whole fun out of the camraderie.

Spotted Dick
08-14-02, 01:17
Yaoming,

It's not my story. Go back and check the poster's name again: seoulman. I've not had the bitter experiences he has had. But I have heard that Italians have bigger penises than the English and I can say they definitely smell worse, so perhaps the reason for rejection is his Italiano heritage.

Where do you get your information that soldiers have a high prevalence of STD's? Or is it just your assumption, based on their stupid appearance?


Originally posted by yaoming
seoulsurvivor:

that's some story you got there. it's pretty fucked up that they don't serve foreigner or non-asians. I'm an asian and I was never refused in amsterdam. the hookers have some distorted image of white people. hookers get AIDS from korean ajushi's (middle aged buisnessman) who went on a sexcapade in thailand, not from white people. maybe it's a little different for soldier,who have high prevalence for stds, but not white tourists. They are probably the most clean because of the fact that they wrap it all the time. I'm going to korea in a few months with both my korean and white friends. It will be a pity if my white friends will not be able to enjoy themselves with us. It takes the whole fun out of the camraderie.

Seoulman
08-14-02, 10:33
seoulsurvivor!!
i think you had better read the message again!!!
and I am sure you get rejected all the time in 588 and youngsan from the A class girls..UNLESS you are ASIAN!!

I am willing to bet money on this,,I will pick you up drive you there even and walk around with you and see how much attention you get, and if you get laid from a A class girl..if so I will pay the 60 for you and then take you back to ITAEWON!

ok...

NOW regarding my heratage!!!
well if fact Italians are very clean in fact history shows we bathe!
we have bedaes in every house etc.. what makes you think Italians stink..we pretty run the fashion and cosmetics industry, we are the highest country visited by foreigners every year, for our beautiful country. and fashion, our people are always best groomed, compared to the English
which don't care about grooming!
sorry not being racist, but there is no way you can say ITALians stink more than others...
we take pride in our clothes, our appearance, what you heard that expression GREASY WOP have you!,,well thats because in the south of italy they wear to much GEL...
mate I will tell you, I have never met you, don't know you, I am not being concieted either, but It has nothing to do with my appearance, I am very goodlooking, dress very expensive clothes, have a car, speak Korean!
am 27 and work out everyday!
and used to be a model,so I am saying if I get rejected by the hottest girls in 588 you are too, hey..I am not saying you don't get laid in 588, I am sure you do, but you aint shagging the MAIN street girls at 10pm NOWAY!!
unless you are asian!!
are you???
if not tell me what you are??
and tell me your stories??
would really love to hear it...

ohh and yes GI'S would have sex infections more than others because, they travel to PI, thai, and go to other port cities, fuck without condoms with hookers, and come from low class life styles in the states...
aids has no race, aids has no color either does sex infections,.. but lifestyle can make aids, and sex infections happen, a GI is only here or there for party!

l

Moody
08-14-02, 12:28
The thing with places like 588 is that you kind of get a tired of the 15 minute wham thank you ma'am thing. That and I don't like the cramped little rooms. I'd much rather take the girl back to my hotel where there's at least some space and I know the sheets are clean. That and the girls at 588 are just a too hard core. I guess that's to be expected since they're screwing a dozen guys a day. I'm not saying I'm looking for the GFE thing, because I'm not, it's just that I'm not completely into the phuck 'em forget 'em thing either. Regardless, it is an experience and some of the girls, when you're drunk, do look HOT.

Spotted Dick
08-15-02, 02:56
seoulman,

Forgive the rudeness. I was drunk when I wrote that. We like to say that Italians stink because (well, so many of your countrymen truly are less enthusiastic than you about the bathing) the ones that don't stink are such incredible competition. Especially the Italians who work out and spend all their money on expensive clothing.

I notice you do not dispute the bigger penis, just the malodor. So you'll take your national steretypes a la carte, I see...

Slow and Easy
09-11-02, 21:36
Welcome back everyone...I see that it took longer than expected.

Well just to update everyone with the "Hill"...negotiations are
still going good...I have been able to get girls between 40,000
and 50,000 won on a busy night. I just hold tough with the
price...but some places the girls just laugh or get mad not that
I care because they will see me more often...I will always make
the offer but they don't have to accept it but repetition will
hopefully prevail. It will be hit and miss but you can always
walk around and find some more tang elsewhere...

Have to go now so welcome back...and happy hunting.

wolverineaz79
09-11-02, 23:48
SWINGING: What is the swing scene like? I mean, if I get a Korean girl, will she be opened minded to swing? I am going there to study in awhile, so I want to line my ducks up. I love to swing and would love to find a lovely Korean girl that would like to as well. Anyone have any answers? Thanks.

Jiggaman
09-13-02, 02:15
I just got to Seoul. I am a gyoppo and was wondering what the scene is like for someone who's Korean is elementary. What is the scene like around Hongik University? I have scene a couple barbershop poles even right next to the basketball courts at Hongik University. Is this place just like all the other barbershop places described in this forum?

Thanks!

jiggaman

Seoulmate
09-13-02, 02:58
I am disturbed by a trend I am seeing on this and other boards
I subscribe to. Guys are reading about specific girls on the internet and then going in and saying " Hey, I read about you on the internet". Then the girl gets upset and possibly decides to not do foreigners. I have seen this several times now and it keeps me from sharing specific details about girls that I find. If I find a great girl who gives great service why would I share the details on a board like this so someone can go in there and screw it up for me. This should not have to be the case. This sharing of information should be helpful to everyone and help us all find better sex at the best prices but it's not going to happen if we screw it up by telling the girl her name is all over the internet.
Let's use our heads!

Seoulmate
09-13-02, 13:50
I think Slow n' Easy has the right idea about Itaewon. There is no reason to pay the rediculously high prices they ask for. Most will ask for 80,000 or more just for a blow job and up to 250,000 for FS. How can they ask these prices? Because some guys will pay them. I refuse to pay more for sex in Itaewon than I would in an RLD and I tell the girl that. I say " Why would I pay you 200,000 for sex when I can take a 5 dollar cab ride to Yongsan and pay 60,000W?" If we stop paying these prices they have to charge less. Negotiate! Don't worry if you get turned down. There are plenty more girls to choose from that will accept your terms.
Also. don't pay 20,000 W for drinks. If you are planning on having sex don't buy any just start negotiating for the sex. If you're just looking for a bit of fun buying drinks almost all will take 10,000 for a drink. If the girl tells me that I get a better time for twenty I tell her that if I don't have a great time for Ten it will be the last drink I buy her. I don't say it in a mean way I simply tell her that if I have a good time for 10,000 I'll buy more drinks. Locals don't pay these crazy prices so why should we foreigners let ourselves get "juiced" buy mediocre looking girls in Itaewon. Personally I prefer Miari where I can always get 45 minutes with a cute girl for 50-60,000W

Paddy23
09-14-02, 14:03
just wondering if anyone knows wherther there are any dominatrixes working in seoul or if any of the rld's cater for this??Is there a fetish scene at all over here??

thanks

Seoulmate
09-15-02, 06:17
Does anyone have detailed information about the following types of places I see commonly around Seoul.

1. Karaoke bars with hostesses (imay be called "dallanjujeom"?

2.Coffee Shops (tearooms) called "Tabang"?

What is the routine when you enter these places, how are the girls and prices for sex? Karaoke places usually have a price of 20-30,000 W on the sign out front. Tabangs usually say coffee shop in english and have a phone number on the sign and are almost always downstairs.

I rarely see mention of these on any discussion boards but I'd like to try everythng while I'm here.

OnTheMove
09-15-02, 10:16
Hi All!!

Need help. Does anyone know where I can go for good services near Ritz? Also, anyone know a number for good in-house service and overnighters? (must be reasonable rates W100-300 <-- Is that possible?)

Thanks!!

Yaoming
09-15-02, 16:33
Seoulmate:

I think the 20000-30000 won in front of karaoke bar refers to the price for an hourly rate of karaoke.

Slow and Easy
09-16-02, 04:49
hey everyone。ヲ

was on the hill the other day to walk around and see what i could get. i went into a place that i went less than a week earlier. same girl was working alone like previous。ヲso i went in, she locked the door, and she gave me a hug, the usual buy me drink bit was offered. since i was not going to buy her a drink i figured that i would ask her for sex。ヲ i was only in there a few days earlier and only paid 40,000 won i figured she would have remembered me and what deal she offered me. so when i heard 200,000 won i had to remind her that i was only in here a few days ago and you only charged me 40,000 won. i guess she had a brain lapse。ヲbecause she would not bargain down to the price she gave me before. but here was the difference the first time that she accepted my offer was right after 3 guys came out of her club. maybe she had just made some money on that deal。ヲi don。ッt know.

here is another experience i had after the brain lapse lady。ヲi walk down to the lower half of the hill across the street portion where there are a few clubs. on one side there are two places almost right next to one another. the one place is older looking place inside that is narrow and the other place actually looks respectable with a nice interior. across the way there are two more places right next to one another.

i have been invited into one but have always declined and went into the other for the first time ever that day. the girl in there at the time was younger, cute with a nice body, and speaks english well. so i go in and she takes me back behind the partitions, sits me down, goes and locks the door, comes back to sit down, and immediately after she sits she starts rubbing on my cock. well in my book that is good time to start negotiations on sex and by pass the entire buy a drink bs. so before i could get a word out she starts telling me a story about her life yada yada yada。ヲafter about 10 mins. of that noise she throws in a why don。ッt you buy one drink for 20,000 won。ヲwhile the whole time she was rubbing my cock. i never planned on staying in there that long if i had not negotiated anything by that time. so i declined on the drink and she started whining about this and that。ヲso to defuse the situation i just told her that i had an appointment and i thought i had enough time to hang out but it was my mistake。ヲshe was still set on trying to convince me that i had enough time for 。ーjust one drink。ア。ヲyeah right。ヲso i asked what do i get if i buy you a drink。ヲher reply was 。ーa happy time。ア. so i asked her to tell me what a 。ーhappy time?。ア is。ヲsome bs came out but then she said if you buy me 5 drinks you get a real happy time。ヲso i countered with 。ーat 10,000 won each drink。ア she said yes and you can have anything you want。ヲi said 。ーsex。ア and she said yes. ok i tell you what since i don。ッt have time today to play lets meet tomorrow at 4:30 pm. she agreed to meet.

the next day comes and i am ready to go. i get there and wait about 5 minutes before she shows up. i go into the back behind the partition and she locks the door while she changes into her clothes then she comes straight over。ヲimmediately rubbing my cock again。ヲso she said ok buy me one drink。ヲbefore i say yes i renegotiate the deal so there is now misunderstanding of the terms。ヲso i tell her ok remember what you told me yesterday。ヲshe said yes。ヲso i said when you said i can have anything i want, i want to be clear before we proceed with anything。ヲshe said don。ッt worry i will take care of you。ヲi replied so then it is clear that we are talking about having sex, right? she acted surprise and said i am not one of those *****s。ヲyeah right。ヲright then i knew it was time for me to leave because if i am not getting laid then no need to stay. so she starts whining again about that i misunderstood her, that i promised her to buy her drinks, i owed her just for coming early, that she never implied sex, and she is not one of those *****s. i told her straight。ヲ look if you never implied sex then why did you say that i could have anything that i wanted and i added including sex and you said yes. so there is only one way you will get any of my money and that is by giving me sex。ヲwhat other reason would i have even showed up?。ヲ to drink over priced beer and to buy you an overpriced grapefruit juice?。ヲ your out of your head。ヲi can buy you a grapefruit juice down the street for 800 won and a beer for 1200 won why would i even consider to spend 20,000 or even 10,000 won for that when i can get it for 2000 won。ヲbasic economics can tell you that。ヲnot that she understood the economics of it.

she got all pissy about the whole thing so i just told her if you are not going to give sex than maybe you should consider another line of work because you just can。ッt just rub on a guys cock and expect them to crumble in your hands and pay these stupid prices without implying sex。ヲif they do fine。ヲ but when some guy comes in and you imply sex and don。ッt give it to him then that is a good way to lose business or get hurt。ヲyou [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the wrong guy who knows what will happen.

so here is the lesson- what ever deal you get now you may not get later, if you negotiate on the hill then negotiate for right now。ヲnot later because they will forget you the second you leave, make sure that sex and the blow job is included, and lastly don。ッt pay over 50,000 won for sex 。ヲ negotiate, negotiate, negotiate.

Cavechu
09-16-02, 05:55
Slow n Easy

I think the second girl, the one who rub your cock, is just practicing and refining her scam lines of being a real "*****" on you about all those posibilities that she will do with you until the moment of truth. I would have done the same thing by walking out instead of wasting my mental faculty on a ***** like that to explain to her what is proper and not proper in the art of expectation from a *****. The funny thing though, there are some stupid dickhead out there that would actually fall for such scam and ruined it for the next guy. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the subject of dealing with *****s.

Seoulmate
09-16-02, 06:20
Slow n Easy

I had two very similar experiences in the past couple weeks.
One was definately with the same girl. The first was a girl in Dallas
who the first time I met her was on the street where she approached tme and asked if I wanted to go to her club. I said sure and followed her up the hill. We did not have sex but I did get 40 minutes of first a striptease and then and alot of forplay
and alot of time spent between my legs. It was quite an enjoyable time and she finished me off by making me cum on her tits and thighs. I paid her 40,000 Won which for 40 minutes of non stop sucking stroking and rubbing was well worth it. The next time I saw her it was at a slow time but during the evening.
She did ofer me a blowjob for 40 but it was not going to be that long and no clothers were coming off and she wouldn't budge so I said some other time and left. I think with these girls there situation changes from day to day so you can only negotiate for that day and not expect the same the next time.
The second was definately the ame girl you talked to. The bar was the first of two side by side clubs on the left as you head down the hill on the lower block. The Kiss in the Dark bar.
She is a cute young girl with a great body and often wears these tiny jean shorts that look great on her. I went into the back with her and she took me to a booth blocked of by a partition and started stroking my cock. She wanted 20,000 for a drink which I quickly declined. I told her I was looking for sex that night and wasn't interested in buying her drinks. She became very ofended and said "i'm not a *****!". (she rubs mens cocks for money but she's not a *****! - sure.) Anyway she ofered me a hand job and said she'd make me come for just one 20,000 W drink. Not a bad deal fom cutie like that but I was looking for more. I said I'd come in another time for the 20,000W hand job. THere are times I go drinking on the hill and wouldn't mind a cheap HJ before heading home . So a week later I did drop in and she refused to admit she ever offered that and again I walked out. Again she insisted she was not a *****. So I guess I agree , take the deal when it is offered or be prepared to start over the next time.

Moody
09-16-02, 23:22
Originally posted by Seoulmate
Does anyone have detailed information about the following types of places I see commonly around Seoul.

1. Karaoke bars with hostesses (imay be called "dallanjujeom"?

2.Coffee Shops (tearooms) called "Tabang"?

What is the routine when you enter these places, how are the girls and prices for sex? Karaoke places usually have a price of 20-30,000 W on the sign out front. Tabangs usually say coffee shop in english and have a phone number on the sign and are almost always downstairs.

I rarely see mention of these on any discussion boards but I'd like to try everythng while I'm here.

Danlanjujeom is basically low end room salon. More or less the same quality as Min Club. Your mileage will vary at any of these places. It's best to go to these types of places with a native to remove the risk that you will get ripped off.

Dabang is basically take out service. You order coffee. The girl who delivers your coffee can be negotiated with. I know about Dabang, but I've never done it so I have no idea how much it would run. I would think it's pretty cheap though since it's considered low class.

Yangban
09-17-02, 11:07
Dalan-jeu-jeom is mostly a rip-off no matter who you go with. I tried this once with some Korean friends and wound up paying like 360.000W for the usual whiskey-fruit plate-dried squid deal. They did provide two girls, kind of young for my tastes; they sang songs, poured our drinks, and served us appetizers while I sat and brooded over how much money I was spending. I went home wondering how much a "real" Room Salon would have cost me...

Tabangs - its hit or miss with these places, and you definitely need a rudimentary knowledge of Korean to get anywhere. Ask them if they provide "ticket-bee" service. That's basically the fare you pay for an hour of company, usually about 20.000W. Does not include sex, you'd have to negotiate that on the side, and in my experience it takes more than one visit to the tabang to establish your credibility. I scored in this scene once with a waitress who turned out to be a divorcee. It was great dating her and great sex while it lasted (about 4 months); then one day she just disappeared. If you can speak some Korean, you may get lucky, otherwise you'll just be buying a lot of coffee. Like most things in Korea, Tabangs were great years ago, loaded with cute young Korean aga-sshi. In recent years I find them populated mostly by older ajummas, some ethnic Chinese-Korean girls, and male motor-bike drivers (they deliver the coffee-girls).

Baby Huey
09-17-02, 20:56
I lived in Korea from 84 through 93. In the last year, I have been to Korea 2 times for the first time since I left in 93. Things have change a lot since 93. I knew all places to go and have fun. Now it is like being lost. Where to go, prices etc. What places outside of Itaewon are the place for westerns to have fun. Like Barber Shops, Turkish Baths, Short Time houses, etc. Also what are the going prices. I am returning to Korea in a month and would like to know where to go! I will be staying at the Renaissance Hotel. Any thing in that area? Any help would be great!

Stud_Lee
09-17-02, 23:38
I recently came back from a three week sojourn from Korea. I had a great time for the most part. Prior to my trip, I checked out this and other boards for some suggestions on where I might find some action.

People seem to have got Itaewon spot on. Hooker Hill is a major rip off, especially if you not staying in Seoul and you can't keep going back and forth to set up something. I couldn't really get anyone to budge from a 100,000W ($82) BJ. I am sorry, but I'm not willing to pay that much, especially when I can get a blow job for $5 in the Bronx. I really don't know what else I can say about the Hill. I am sure that if I spent more time there and had more time to do some negotiating that I could have struck some sort of deal, but I had some time constraints, especially since the subway stops running so early. That really sucks! They should really do something about that.

I thought some of the bars at Itaewon were pretty cool. One I liked was Seoul Pub, which is by the Itaewon subway stop. The music there sucks, but some of the girls who hang out there are amazing. I don't know if they're pros or not. I had some luck with a waitress there who gave me her number afterwards. She was a sweet little thing who spoke pretty good English.

If you're a foreigner and you want to fuck around with some Korean girls, Itaewon is the place to be. It absolutely blows in the daytime when the only people who approach you are young school girls who just want to practice the English phrases they learn in grade school. It's much better at night. People complain that they can't score in Korea, but I think it has more to do with themselves than anything else. A lot of the foreigners who hang out at the bars in Itaewon are fat, ugly and old. No girl is going to want to go home with you. If you're a decent-looking guy in pretty good shape, I don't think you'll run into too many problems. It seems to me that a lot of the girls over there are desperate to go out with a foreign guy...unless you're what I described above. My observations.

I heard about Miari, but didn't get a chance to go. A friend told me that they don't accept foreigners. I didn't really get the chance in the end because my schedule was pretty tight.

Also, there are a lot of Japanese tourists in Korea who come to take advantage of the dirt cheap prices (at least compared to Japan). Japanese girls absolutely love foreign guys! You can usually tell them apart because they smoke in public (Korean girls never, ever smoke in public), they are usually smaller (i.e. shorter, more petite), they have a lighter tone of skin, have larger and rounder eyes, they'll glare at you as if they want you to ram them, and they dress like skanks. My friend and I approached two of them on the subway and went out with them afterwards. Japanese girls are fun and kinky and a lot easier to pick up than Koreans. A lot of them hang out close to the city hall (where that giant screen is where people watched the World Cup) by the department store in the area...I forget its name. If you look presentable and approach them in a polite fashion, I doubt they'd say "no".

I liked Korea in general. I agree with the guy who said it is not a first world country. They really are technologically advanced -- in some cases way more so than us here in the States -- but they are backwards in other things. I also find it difficult to sleep on the floor! Also, it seems like Koreans don't like foreigners too much. I was sort of prepared for this, but I didn't expect to see downright hostility from some. I tried passing as a Greek, a Canadian and an American and it didn't really make much difference. Korean girls love Aussie guys though. It definitely took some getting used to. I think as a group, Koreans are pricks, but as individuals, they're awesome and extremely hospitable.

And are any of you guys surprised at how tall some of the people are there?

Overall, Korea is a great country with a nice mix of technology, culture, history, beautiful women (I think Korean girls are the best looking of all Asian girls), great food and shopping. I wish the sex scene was not as much of a rip off. I'm looking to return within the year...maybe even get a job there for a few years.

GameOver
09-18-02, 00:26
Great to see this board back. Lots of catching up to do.

Yaoming
09-18-02, 04:24
great insight stud_lee!

Paddy23
09-20-02, 09:35
does anyone have any info regarding the Casablanca bar in itaewon? Its beside the Hamilton hotel...what are the girls like and how does it work? Is sex guaranteed or are the girls not working in the strictest sense?
Also any hotties i shoul look out for??

Seoulmate
09-23-02, 16:18
Stud_lee makes some good points about Itaewon.
I think the best thing about Itaewon is the party atmosphere which overflows out of the bars and into the street and goes on most of the night. I have had some great nights there. I usually time it to arrive around 10pm and party till the subway starts running again at 5:40am. It is certainly the best place to score with non pro Korean girls. I managed to pick up a georgrous one last weekend. Turns out she works at a Room Salon but likes the looks of foreign guys over Korean and comes to Itaewon to meet them. In my first couple months here I spent some money in the "Juicy bars" but quickly realized that you can spend a fortune on drinks very quickly without getting much. The girls all charge a fortune for sex. Most quote 80,000 for a HJ , 120,000 for a BJ and up tp 300,000 or more for sex. Yes, you can negotiate for sex and get it cheaper if you try but their heart is not in it when they are doing it cheaper and it is usually rushed. My recommendation is to go to Itaewon to party and possibly pick up girls in some of the great bars like Seoul Pub etc.
For sex I recomend Miari. Stud_lee says he heard they do not accept foreigners. This is not correct. It is the one RLD that for the most part DOES accept foreigners, Not all but most do. The regular quoted price is 60,000 Won. A price you would have to work hard to get in Itaewon and then likely get a rushed 15 minutes. In Miari, 60 is the going price so you're not rushed by a girl who feels she's giving it away cheap. There are many gorgeous girls for the asking at Miari. I think for the money Miari is the best place in Seoul for sex. If you have triple the price for a Turkey Bath go for it as it is bettrer but for 60,000W you can't beat Miari!

Baby Huey
09-24-02, 14:38
Where is Miari? I would like to visit where on my next trip to Seoul. Also, is there any good foreign friendly barber shop in Seoul, with good service with good looking girls. Please e-mail me at jimhart69@hotmial.com.

Seoulmate
09-24-02, 15:24
To get to Miari:

Take Subway Line 4 (light blue line) to Gireum Station.
Use exit 10
You will be at one of several entances to Miari.
Go through the green curtains covering the entrance.
There is a maze of several little alleys with hundreds of girls.
Don't worry if the ones closest to the entrance ignore you.
Just keep going and you will find many that will take a foreigner.
Usually when the Mamasan sees you coming you'll see her knock on the glass to warn the girls you are coming. They will be waving and calling you as you walk by.
Have fun!

Does anyone in Seoul no where I can buy "foriegner sized"
condoms here.
Last time in Miari (about 3 weeks ago) I picked out a gorgeous tiny girl who after giving me a BBBJ was about to climb on top of me bareback. She seemed quite surprised when I insisted on wearing a condom. She opened one and had trouble getting the small condom on me. We had a great 45 minute session changing positions 3 or 4 times. When finished I pulled out to find the condom had broke sometime in our last ten minutes.
Anyone knows where I can find large condoms?

Stud_Lee
09-24-02, 19:54
Seoulmate says: <i>Last time in Miari (about 3 weeks ago) I picked out a gorgeous tiny girl who after giving me a BBBJ was about to climb on top of me bareback. She seemed quite surprised when I insisted on wearing a condom. </i>

Are you fucking kidding me? Is this true? That's pretty frightening if it is. If so, then I'm sure the AIDS rate in Korea is probably a lot higher than people there are willing to admit. Just look what's going on in China.

As for my comments on Miari, a few friends told me about it. Mind you, they were Korean, so it could be that they had alterior motives. One of them said flat out that they don't accept foreigners. Maybe he just doesn't know or it could be that he doesn't want me to bone Korean chicks. The other guy -- he does not live in Korea anymore -- said that Miari was cleaned up the last five years and that there wasn't much action anymore. Based on Seoulmate's reports, Miari seems to be alive and well. I will most definitely check it out the next time I am over there. I completely regret not checking it out myself.

Amateur
09-25-02, 00:04
Barber Shop: Guarantee FS for KW 90,000. There is a hotel named Hotel Pop Green in Apkujung. It is located diagonially from Hyundai Department store in Apkujung. As you face the front entrance of the hotel, on the right side of the block, there is a Daewoo auto dealership. On that side of the street, if you look further down on the street, there is only one barber pole. You are guaranteed full service after a little massage behind a closed automatic door that thay have installed in the back, to hide the illegality of the service, obviously. Ask for Miss Hyun. She is bit old, I think in her late 30's but damn good sucker and rider. Enjoy guys.

Stud_Lee
09-25-02, 01:30
Actually, amateur, you bring up a good point. Apkujong is a great place to spot young hotties. I went over there a few times for dinner and drinks and every chick I saw there was gorgeous. Just curious, is it easy to pick up a girl over there? What about if you're a foreigner? It would be awesome if that was the case because it's an absolute goldmine!

Seoulmate
09-25-02, 03:58
Originally posted by stud_lee
Seoulmate says: <i>Last time in Miari (about 3 weeks ago) I picked out a gorgeous tiny girl who after giving me a BBBJ was about to climb on top of me bareback. She seemed quite surprised when I insisted on wearing a condom. </i>

Are you fucking kidding me? Is this true? That's pretty frightening if it is. If so, then I'm sure the AIDS rate in Korea is probably a lot higher than people there are willing to admit. Just look what's going on in China.

Just to clarify this:

Of the half dozen times I have been to Miari this was the first time a girl wanted to do it bareback.



As for my comments on Miari, a few friends told me about it. Mind you, they were Korean, so it could be that they had alterior motives. One of them said flat out that they don't accept foreigners. Maybe he just doesn't know or it could be that he doesn't want me to bone Korean chicks. [/i]

I have several Koreans whom I think of as pretty good
friends - a couple very good friends. However none of them
have ever seemed the least bit interested in setting me up with
a Korean girl - pro or not. I would disregard any info you receive
from a Korean man and check it out for yourself of find another person who might have the information. I have heard too many times from people on this and other boards who hear from Koreans that Miari is either closing or they don't take foreigners.
Miari is definately alive and well and the "best BANG for your buck" in Seoul". Korean men , in general, are not interested in helping foreigners have sex with Korean women. Of course, there are exceptions but I would double check any info you receive.

Seoulmac
09-25-02, 13:57
amateur, yes been by that barbershop and does not look so bad. ;) Would still like to meet the girl again from the noraebang karaoke bar around the corner and get her number! Please tell me you got a name!!

I would echo comments about Miari but I would recommend find a place you like and keep it your secret. All of the store fronts have numbers and the last thing we need is a bunch of us foreigners around to give the place a bad reputation. Not that I care what the Korean men think, just don't scare the girls away.

Was there this past weekend and it was 80% foreigners walking around and by 11pm, most girls had either gone home or shut down. Windows were closed everywhere and you could even see the Koreans leave after 1 walk through after seeing so many Indian, Thai and American men walking around.

Yaoming
09-26-02, 00:11
seoulmate:

I feel your pain man. I have bunch of Koren friends, but none of them wants to hook me up with Korean girls. I'm chinese. But then again, what kind of guy with the right mind would be so unselfish to introduce a hottie to a friend when he himself can attempt to hook up with her. Unless of course that person already has a girlfriend. I recommend befriending korean girls for only friendship. Maybe they can introduce you to her friends who you migth be more inclined romantically.

Yaoming
09-26-02, 00:17
stud_lee:

shit! I'm scared shitless to hear your story. I'm pretty sure the prevalence rate for AIDS and other venereal diseases are low compared to the western nations in the past, but I'm not so sure to bet my life on it. I'm petrified over asian people's lackadaisal approach in keeping the rubber on. I wish people wear condom more frequently. 10 second of pleasure is not worth the lifetime of misery.

Fishmonger
09-26-02, 09:19
Guys, it sounds like Korea sucks compared to Japan. One male Japanese friend of mine and his girlfriend seemed to enjoy thinking about which one of her friends they were going to set me up with next. They would ask me things like "do you like small or large breasts?", "do you like sexy girls or cute girls", etc ... One guy I work with was even going to set me up with his sister, but nothing ever came of it. Japanese girls are very interested in foreign guys, maybe because Japanese guys tend to not treat them so nicely (to put it mildly). One other thing, black guys here seem to have it especially good. An ex-girlfriend of mine told me that one of her friends dated only black guys ... she said she loved the contrast of dark skin next to her white skin. I suggest you guys try picking up Japanese girls on vacation in Seoul, I bet you will have some nice results. One final note, lots of J. girls are happy to do it bareback, and have you come on their tits or wherever. It's both a blessing and a curse if you know what I mean (it is so hard to say "actually, I better use a condom" when you're with a sexy, 23 y/o Japanese ordinary (i.e. non-pro) girl).

Stud_Lee
09-26-02, 17:28
None of you guys answered my question about Apkujong! Anyone???

Fishmonger: Yeah, Korea sucks compared to Japan for sex. However, I wouldn稚 say that Korean girls aren稚 interested in foreign guys. I think a lot of them are, but they池e just scared shitless of what the guys might think, say or do. It痴 a far more rigid and conservative society than Japan, if that痴 even possible. But even so, you have Itaewon and there are plenty of girls over there for the sole purpose of meeting foreign guys. One word of caution to black guys: do not under any circumstance say that you池e from Nigeria! They have an absolutely horrible reputation there.

Actually, I have two Korean guy friends who have tried introducing me to Korean women. One is a bit of a looser with women and he only likes white girls, but he痴 tried at least! The other introduced me to this one chick who was pretty nasty, but had the most cheerful and delightful personality. I would ask her to marry me if there was an easy way of getting her Stateside. So there are a few - very few - exceptions to the rule.

The rest, however, make every excuse in the book when it comes to introducing you to a Korean girl. Even if they say that they will help, they don稚. If you池e in Korea and dying to hook up with a Korean chick, try and befriend a foreigner who痴 dating one already. I知 sure they値l be more than glad to help you out.

Yaoming: It seems that Koreans don稚 like using condoms and Korean girls, even pros, are completely at ease with this. What few realize is that a lot of these guys go over to China, Indonesia, Thailand or the Philippines for some fun - sans condom, of course - and come back over to Korea bringing the desieses they pick up over there with them. And it spreads. I think AIDS and any other venereal disease is much higher in Korea that most people would think. The government and the people, of course, will deny such problems even exist. 適orea is the perfect society. There is no crime, no homosexuality, no drugs, no AIDS. All foreigners are dirty, stupid and have AIDS. Etc. But of course, we know better. You just have to be careful just like you would in any other place - Korea is no different.

Seoulmate
09-27-02, 06:56
Is this true that Japanese girls are more interested in dating foreigners?
Does anyone know where Japaneses girls living in Seoul hang out?
I don't know anything about Apkujung but there are beautifull girls all over Seoul and I would guess you could luck out and find someone anywhere. But why not go where your odds are the best. The Korean girls in Itaewon are there because of foreign guys!
I met a beautiful Korean girl last Friday in Itaewon. Went out with
her on Saturday and am seeing her tomorrow night. I'm having lunch tomorow with a second one that I met recently on a bus.
When it rains...
I heard pros in Japan are less likely to take foreigners than Korean pros. True?

Seoulmate
09-27-02, 07:05
Originally posted by seoulmac
I would echo comments about Miari but I would recommend find a place you like and keep it your secret. All of the store fronts have numbers and the last thing we need is a bunch of us foreigners around to give the place a bad reputation. Not that I care what the Korean men think, just don't scare the girls away.

Was there this past weekend and it was 80% foreigners walking around and by 11pm, most girls had either gone home or shut down. Windows were closed everywhere and you could even see the Koreans leave after 1 walk through after seeing so many Indian, Thai and American men walking around.

If this is true that Miari was 80% foreigners maybe they will
realize where the money can be made.The main reason that foreigners are turned away is because of Korean men. If Korean men are only 20% then maybe the y will have less influence and the girls will less likely care what they think.
Just a thought!

Yangban
09-27-02, 07:58
Who's been to (or heard of) Incheon "Yellow house" and has anyone been there....maybe its been closed since the new airport was built, as I don't hear much about it anymore.

William Tellhk
09-27-02, 09:48
Hi there

on october 22nd i will visit seoul for 4 days.

pls give me advice for what kind of action i can get . brothels etc....

prices....cutoms...


thanks guys


Diego, Hong Kong

Yaoming
09-28-02, 01:06
seoulmate:

Korean brothels are never going to reach 80% foreigner mark. the little permission of foreigners in their brothels now is probably something that will go away in several years. 80% foreigner and 20% native is thailand's rate. Korea will never be that accomodating or poor to let foreigner infiltrate their RLD like that. A foreigner had no problem going to a RLDin japan in the 50s and 60s as government allowed foreign capita to flow into their economy, but as soon as they had surplus of foreign capita, they pretty much barred foreigners from using their RLD. Same logic going for Korea right now. This is the story I heard from a friend of mine. In the 70s, the Korean gov't actually promoted foriegners(mainly japs) to use their RLD to stimulate influx of foreign capita, but now with foreign reserve of more than 100 billion dollars, they're simply not going to use that kind of means to attract foreign capita. The same story can be said about Taiwan (my native country). 80% foreigner and 20% Koreans in places like Miari is just not a feasible possibility. I understand your wish though, I also have that kind of wishful thinking. Foreigners allowed to roam around in Korean *****house would be awesome, but Korea is simply too rich to allow such things to happen. Maybe Thailand, but not Korea. I have a firm belief that thing are going to get much worse in the future. Whatever sex you get in korea right now, don't take it for granted, it will be gone in a heart beat. The gov't is already making proposal to revamp their red light districts. They believe that such places taints their country's image to foreigners. They are going to do everything in their hands to hide RLD from foreigners. I guess it bears bad image for their country in their opinion. I too wish that Korean RLD are more liberalized like amsterdam, but I believe there is no chance of that. I think someone mentioned that the foreign men are: thai, indians and americans. The perception of foreigners in Korea is not good from my understanding especially, South east asians and indians. Being dark skinned in Korea is a curse, there is no chance that anybody dark will be liked in korea. And there aren't enough white people in korea, catering to them would be disastrous as it will dispell korean men. They have the wrong perception that white people are disease-ridden. It seems that the only foreigners that RLD cater to are other East Asians who are morphologically undistinguishable from Koreans like Japanese and Chinese. I for one don't like this sort of discrimination, but it's all part of the buisness I guess. Korean mobs control most of RLD and I guess they are faithful to such thinking because using a non-discriminatory tactic would eventually hurt their buisness as most of their clients-the natives are dispelled becaused of the presence of foreigners.

MrGhostRider
09-28-02, 08:12
totally agree with yaoming's comments:

i have been traveling on business to seoul over the past 8 years (and all around Asia - IMHO you really can't beat BKK for overall quality, service and value for money)

korea is now an OECD country and fully on its way to being recognized as an "fully industrialized" country / economy - japan is a good model to look towards for precedent and future trends - most of the red light establishments are strictly for locals and true "insiders" - ie. speak the language, built up trust with an establishment...

miari and most barber places will continue to service foreigners but for how long? i guess all good things must come to an end... but thank your stars for Thailand =)

CityDude
09-28-02, 15:55
Seoul: I have to admit that this is one city I was not on my own. I was taken for an evening of entertainment. ahem! ahem!.
These folks can drink ! So, the place I went to, I was the only outsider - My hosts in Seoul has alerted the mamasan - We ate, we drank, and I sampled a tender sweetie.The quality was far superior to what one could find in say the AMPs of NYC or LON. Forget the language skills. I was offered someone and I'm sure she was instructed to take real good care of me :)

Stud_Lee
09-29-02, 00:01
Yaoming: Spot on! That's an excellent analysis of the situation in Korea -- I full-heartedly agree with most of your points. I disagree with your assertion about Koreans being more discriminatory towards people with darker complexions. I find that Koreans are outright hostile to any foreigner regardless of your skin tone. If you are white, black, Chinese, Japanese, Indian or even a Korean from a foreign country, you will be given a hard time. I have some Korean-Canadian friends who go over there and really struggle to fit in. One of them lived in Seoul for 18 years before moving to Vancouver and speaks perfect Korean! He goes back periodically and is treated differently than the natives. Also, you said you池e from Taiwan. What is the situation like there? I don稚 find the Taipei board as informative or 杜ature as this one, so I don稚 really trust what痴 said there. As I understand, the Taiwanese are much friendlier towards foreigners than the Koreans and even the Japanese. Maybe it translates the same way in the brothels too? Most Chinese here in the NYC area are of Taiwanese decent and I find them to be very friendly people. I知 assuming it translates over there as well.

Seoulmate: There are not many Japanese living in Seoul. There are many Japanese tourists though who go to take advantage of the cheap shopping Korea is an absolute bargain compared to Japan. You can find them around many tourist sites or shopping areas. I found quite a few at the Gyeoungbokgung palace and the Gyeounghuigung palace. They池e also at any of the major shopping districts like Dongdaemun or Youngsan. Japanese seem to like department stores too, but I cannot tell you the name of any in particular. Or you might just luck out like I did and meet some on the subway. They池e pretty easy to tell apart. Oh yeah, I saw quite a few get off at Chungmoro subway station. I have no fucking clue what痴 over there though. Maybe they were transferring?

I also heard about Japanese pros being less likely to accept a foreign guy than Koreans, which says a lot! On the flipside, it痴 so easy to pick up a girl over there that you壇 be crazy to pay for sex!

ThaiDude
10-01-02, 05:58
A lot has been said about the negative aspect of the Koreans and their culture. Some of those observations are accurate. However, I just returned from my trip to Seoul and it was quite a memorable trip and experience for me.

The trip was a short one, two nights/three days. The president of my partner company picked me up for dinner and the night of fun. This is quite remarkable considering that he's almost 20 years my senior. In a conservative Korean society, it's certainly very unusual for a person of that rank/age to afford someone my age such respect.

The entertainment involves going to a fairly upper class room salon. I was given the first choice of girl to sit with and the one I chose is very cute even by Korean standard. She speaks very little English so my partner had to help with the transalation work alot of time.

All the girls and the mamasan seem to like me quite well as they consider my look to be attractive. I was very surprised to find out that toward the end of the night, the girl I'm sitting with will be going back to my hotel with me courtesy of my Korean partners.

The other three also took their respective girls back with them but for a short time...with the usual custom of the president being the old man having to "go home" first. As for me, they got my girl to stay with me until the morning.

Again, they went out of their way to ensure that I got the best treatment. Never once did I feel out of place for being a foreigner. If anything, it's almost as if my foreigness makes it even better...as ironic as it may sound in Korea.

The experience I had with my girl was very GFE. Next afternoon, the mamasan of the establishment called to find out if I was satisfied. She said that my girl wants to see me again that evening.

The mamasan wants to know what time I have available so she can have her girl leave work to see me. All this without paying. Wow. However, I did find out from my girl that the bill the night before, just for my split were around $800 USD.

The girl came to meet me at the restaurant at Hyatt. She took me to discotechque and shopping at Namdemoon market. In case you're wondering, she pays for her own drinks, our food, and cab fee. The only thing I paid for that night was the souveniers I bought.

She accompanied me back to my hotel where I had several great GFE sessions with her. She stayed with me until I checked out for the airport. If she's to be believed, she'll be coming to visit me in BKK. Based on my exprience, there's no reason not to because working girls in Korea are less predatorial than their counterpart in BKK.

Sure I missed going to 855 but it looks like quality wins out over quantity on this trip.

acs
10-01-02, 08:50
Thaidude: You are lucky to have the Korean guys treat you to a room salon. I also have Korean business friends take me to room salons. They would do it weekly if I let them. But I don't want to take advantage of the hospitality as there is no free lunch and the price they pay is always over a thousand dollars even without paying for the girls. Most of the girls in Karaoke and Room salons are nice. Some could even become your girlfriend. I have been in Korea a few years and it is easy to pick up girls but harder to take them to bed as easy as years ago. If I have a girlfriend it doesn't last too long as they either push to get married or I get tired.

Seoulmate
10-01-02, 13:45
I have to take exception to a statement made du Stud_lee
in his last post.
Stud_lee wrote:

"I find that Koreans are outright hostile to any foreigner
regardless of your skin tone"

I'm not sure what country you were in but it certainly
isn't the place I've spent the last 5 months. Of course,
there is always some people in any country who will take advantage of foreigners or give them a hard time. I know about foreigner pricing in some shops and markets. Is this any different from anywhere else. I spent years managing electronics stores back home and know of several occasions where I heard of someone selling a video camera or VCR to tourists from Europe knowing the eqiupment would not work when they returned home. There are very few foreigners in Korea relative
to other counties and you will get stared at. It's probably more surprise or curiosity than hostility. I have found the Korean people caring and always willing to help me if I ask or often even when I don't. I have made a few very good Korean friends here. One is the owner of a bar who I met the first week I was here. Last month he closed the bar for four days when I had a break from work and the two of us drove through the East Mountains and went camping and fishing together. Another friend
showed up at my apartment one morning with the cable guys and hooked up my TV and paid in advance for the rest of my stay in Korea. I had decided not to bother with TV here but he said I must be lonley after work in the evenings. These are people I have met that didn't have to do these things. I am regularly asked in the street and in the subway by English speaking Koreans if I need help or directions.When I visited one of the Palaces here the tour was in Korean. A Korean man there with his family took it upon himself to translate most of it for me. korea is a different country and the people are different and you will be treated differently than you will be at home. If you want to be treated like home I suggest you don't leave home.
Sorry Stud, but I couldn't let that one pass.
Back to the sex!

Baby Huey
10-01-02, 16:07
Originally posted by thaidude
A lot has been said about the negative aspect of the Koreans and their culture. Some of those observations are accurate. However, I just returned from my trip to Seoul and it was quite a memorable trip and experience for me.

The trip was a short one, two nights/three days. The president of my partner company picked me up for dinner and the night of fun. This is quite remarkable considering that he's almost 20 years my senior. In a conservative Korean society, it's certainly very unusual for a person of that rank/age to afford someone my age such respect.

The entertainment involves going to a fairly upper class room salon. I was given the first choice of girl to sit with and the one I chose is very cute even by Korean standard. She speaks very little English so my partner had to help with the transalation work alot of time.

All the girls and the mamasan seem to like me quite well as they consider my look to be attractive. I was very surprised to find out that toward the end of the night, the girl I'm sitting with will be going back to my hotel with me courtesy of my Korean partners.

The other three also took their respective girls back with them but for a short time...with the usual custom of the president being the old man having to "go home" first. As for me, they got my girl to stay with me until the morning.

Again, they went out of their way to ensure that I got the best treatment. Never once did I feel out of place for being a foreigner. If anything, it's almost as if my foreigness makes it even better...as ironic as it may sound in Korea.

The experience I had with my girl was very GFE. Next afternoon, the mamasan of the establishment called to find out if I was satisfied. She said that my girl wants to see me again that evening.

The mamasan wants to know what time I have available so she can have her girl leave work to see me. All this without paying. Wow. However, I did find out from my girl that the bill the night before, just for my split were around $800 USD.

The girl came to meet me at the restaurant at Hyatt. She took me to discotechque and shopping at Namdemoon market. In case you're wondering, she pays for her own drinks, our food, and cab fee. The only thing I paid for that night was the souveniers I bought.

She accompanied me back to my hotel where I had several great GFE sessions with her. She stayed with me until I checked out for the airport. If she's to be believed, she'll be coming to visit me in BKK. Based on my exprience, there's no reason not to because working girls in Korea are less predatorial than their counterpart in BKK.

Sure I missed going to 855 but it looks like quality wins out over quantity on this trip.

Thaidude, after living and working in Korea for ten years, and doing business in Korea for 20 years. I can tell you one thing about your trip to Korea. The girl from the saloon room was on the pay roll the whole time you were with her. Your business friend in Korea, told the mamasan to insure the girl takes care of you, during your visit. To also insure that you do not pay for anything. I have been doing business in Korea for to long time, that is common in Korea. For coming BKK, thats is probaby true, because one of the growing countries for Korean to go on vacation to is Thailand. She is looking to have some fun, and probaby enjoy the time with you. Enjoy it, but remember somebody is paying for it.

Seoulmac
10-01-02, 16:29
thaidude, count your blessings as you did what others can only dream of, screwing on someone else's dime! :) Consider yourself lucky as Korea is the only country I have come across where the prostitutes are selective and picky and where money is not always king, unless it is endorsed by a local or you are willing to pay more than the US! (at least that is my benchmark and if I am not willing to pay $300 in US why would I pay it elsewhere?!?).

I am jealous of your experience but glad you had a good time. Could only wish I could have "fallen in a love for a day" as well but think I will have to go to another Asian country to do so. Being 30, decent looking and in shape and still not getting any action is taking a toll on me personally here. Think it is time to visit Thailand or Phillipines for the first time. Will I be extremely overwhelmed by all of the emotional stimuli after departing from such a cold, impersonal country?!?! Who knows. Will find out in November though.

Baby Huey
10-01-02, 21:27
I agree totally with seoulmac, enjoy what you had. I lived in Seoul from 83 thru 93 and had alot of fun in Korea, back then. I had a great network of friends both Korean and Foreigners, the fun was to be had everywhere. The locals would love to be with us from the west. I could go most any where and could speak Korean. Now in my upper thirties, still able to speak Korean, it is total different.

Korea is a total different place now. Outside the tourist areas, girls are in a whole new game. The males in Korea are making it harder and harder for the girls to be seen with foreigners. They tell the girls that it is disgrace to be with men from other countries.

The main reason for this is male to female are not equal in Korea. Right now there is about 2 males for every female in the 18 to 35 year old area. This happen un-natural during the 70's thru early 90's, couples would test at the earliest possible date, if the un-born baby was male or female. If they were female, they were abort the baby to have a male child. Which can not be done any more. Because of this for many years, now there is to many males in Korea, causing the males to go to the Philippines, China, and Southeast Asia for wifes. There is also many families, buying there sons wifes from these countries also. I know one family that bought their son a wife from main China for $2000.00, site un-since. They could not even talk to each other for months. What kind of marriage will this be. Because of this males really dislike there girls to be hanging out with westerns.

I have been married to my Korean wife for 11 years now. She was a walkway and magzine model in Korea for clothes, when we got married and still has the look of a model. Everytime we go back to Korea together, you should hear what the Korean Males say to my wife pasting in the streets when we are together, not knowing I know Korean.

The playing fields in Korea has change alot. It is more like Japan now! The Korean womem still like western, because how we treat our women. But pressures from friends and family can change their minds.

So enjoy the fun when you can in Korea, especially when your host is paying.

Baby Huey
10-01-02, 23:33
Seoulmac, if you have never been to Thailand. You need to make a trip there. It is really the Adult Disneyland of Asia. You will not believe it. The Philippines is fun, but personnal security is a concern. Thailand is the ticket for fun!

Stud_Lee
10-02-02, 06:53
Hey, Seoulmate. Perhaps I was a bit harsh with that statement. I will not deny that I was treated well by many people in Korea. I will go as far to say that I probably was treated better there than anywhere else in the world I have been to. Koreans, especially those you know well, will treat their guests like royalty. Sometimes it went too far that it was embarrassing. I met a lot of cool people there, including a very nice woman at the observation deck on 63 who introduced me to her whole family. Yes, there are some great people there and I would never deny it. It's these people that made me really sad to leave and make me want to go back.

On the flip side, there are plenty of assholes as well, particularly some of the men. I met an old college female classmate of mine who lives in Seoul now. This girl is not my girlfriend and I made it pretty apparent that she wasn't. You wouldn't believe the stares and jeers we both received walking down any old street. One guy threatened to kill me (she translated it). I don't know what kind of treatment you would call that, but it seems a bit harsh to me! Even walking down the street by myself generated stares...or I should say glares. And not the friendly type. Most people were pretty chill, but there were enough of the bad apples to make me notice. I didn稚 even get this in China, which is supposedly 登penly racist. A few foreign friends of mine who live in Korea say they receive the same type of treatment. They speak Korean and hear some Koreans talk shit about them behind their back, thinking that they "don't understand." They say it happens all the time. Also, the fact that most Korean men (and many here have complained about it on this site) won稚 offer to introduce their friends to Korean women pretty much sums up the whole attitude.

So, you池e right that it ain稚 Kansas, but it doesn稚 need to be the South Bronx.

I think Jimhart痴 explanation of everything gives me a better understanding of the situation and how things work. Good job!

So, yes, back to sexJim, you seem to know Korea inside and out. Apkujeong seems to be an absolute haven for young and beautiful women. Do you know anything about the scene over there? Is it easy to pick up girls? Also, do any of you know anything about Taiwan?

Fishmonger
10-02-02, 09:04
Hey, what's wrong with the South Bronx? Just kidding. Reading your report makes me glad I'm in Japan and not Korea. I can count on one hand the number of times Japanese guys have even looked at me (glared would be too strong a word), and they always look away the instant I start looking back at them. On the other hand, I've had a hard time getting to be friends with Japanese guys. They're so non-expressive, and always say "maybe" or "anything is OK", it's hard to tell if they like you or hate you. I have had good success with the ladies though.

One last thing, not related to sex but, is BoA actually popular in Korea or is that just an in Japan thing? Anyway, she's a hottie!

Stud_Lee
10-03-02, 02:12
Nothing's wrong with the South Bronx! LOL. I've never had any problems there, but maybe I've been lucky. It isn't the safest area in the world, but some neighborhoods have become a prime location for prostitution. :D Hunts Point comes to mind; that place is great...so long as you watch out for yourself.

BOA is fucking hot! I also love the girls from SES and Jewelry. Occasionally, some of these girls get into sex scandals -- they get boned by their former managers and it's all caught on video tape and someone releases it on the Internet. Two that immediately come to mind are Baek Ji-young and Jin Joo Hee. Baek Ji Young was the Britney Spears of Korea. Then this tape of her fucking her ex-manager surfaces and it ruins her career. Her ex-manager placed a hidden camera in the room they did. From what I hear, she痴 trying to stay strong and re-launch her career. You go girl! Jin Joo Hee was a gorgeous young actress who apparently was drugged and ended up doing some porn flick with this Japanese guy. She痴 pretty spaced out throughout the whole shoot, but that tattoo on her pretty ass and he way she sucks on that man痴 dick shows that she痴 no newbie squib! Both videos are available on Kazaa. I would recommend both, but especially the Jin Joo Hee film (and the longer version of that), it痴 a long-ass download, but the picture quality is unreal, as is the action and camera work perhaps the best porn video I have ever seen. Certainly worth the long download.

ThaiDude
10-03-02, 05:32
Seoulmac. Will probably sound biased coming from me but I would choose Thailand over Philippines anyday. My Korean and other hobbyist friends have nothing but praise for Thailand after their visits. If you need any tip, visit Thailand forum and ask me.

Stud_lee. My friend got me videos of both Baek Ji Young and Jin Joo Hee and I totally agree that they're hot. While I don't necessary agree with the way it's done, especially in Baek Ji Young's situation, I can't help but enjoy it anyway.

Jimhart69. I've been doing this for awhile so the thought did come to mind she was still on payroll. The person assigned to take care of me on a daily basis was the manager at my partner's company. I have a good friendship with him so we are pretty open about things.

He was very frank about this situation because I made sure to ask. If the same answer were to come from the president himself, I would have very strong doubt that it's free because it would be within his personal character and business etiquette to not reveal this fact to me.

Their company is not a big chaebol with unlimited entertainment fee. Heck, when we first met, the President didn't even want to entertain me in Korea.

You can call me naive but in this case, ignorance is bliss :)

Baby Huey
10-03-02, 20:39
Seoulmac,

Thailand is the real place for good adult fun in Asia. Go to stickmanbangkok.com, He has some real good information for a person that has not been to Thailand before. If you need more infor, just e-mail me jimhart69@hotmail.com. I am going on another Asia Business trip, the 29th of November thru 20th December. Starting in Seoul ending in Thailand. Trust me, Thailand is where the fun is!

Stud-lee,

Apkujeong, I have been there a few times, with friend, more for the partying, than the girls. So I can not give you to much information. Most of the time on my more recent trips to Korea, for adult fun, I go out with supplier to Salon Rooms. The business thing. All my old haunts are not operating any more. So I do not have much infor for you in Seoul. I am always looking for information. When I live there, I had alot of information. I love playing in Korea, but you need to be a little of a insider to have fun in Korea.

Liondale
10-04-02, 17:41
just got the mentioned movies from Kazaa. Damn good!

If you know of more please let me know.

Baby Huey
10-04-02, 18:03
What are the movies store under, on Kazaa? Thanks!