Chiang Mai

[Beno69]

....Chiang Mai is huge I am sure there are hidden places somewhere. I just don't know where they are....

http://www.chiangmailocator.com/cat-chiang-mai-male-entertainment-19

Most Places - including Price and Services...

[TomSf]

http://www.chiangmailocator.com/cat-chiang-mai-male-entertainment-19

Most Places - including Price and Services...Wow, good stuff thanks Beno69.

I went back to that street the second day. Stopped to get an oil massage at Yin Yang massage. Sounded like people where having fun. My girl was not that hot but she looked average. Just wanted to see what would happen. The oil massage was basically her rubbing oil on me. Felt like she gobbed on like 5 bottles. I was disgusted and felt slimly. When the turn over happened she avoided directly touching my groin. 10 minutes till the end she asked if I wanted a HJ. I told her how about mouth? She said no. I said how about FS. She said no again and put her hands in handcuff sign. I guess they are strict here. She finished the massage if you can call it that. I tipped 40 baut and she was happy and I left. After leaving, I did see one hot girl at a bar but she was with a customer at a bar. I am leaving tomorrow to Bangkok then Vietnam.

[Arthur Tick]

Wow, good stuff thanks Beno69.

I went back to that street the second day. Stopped to get an oil massage at Yin Yang massage. Sounded like people where having fun. My girl was not that hot but she looked average. Just wanted to see what would happen. The oil massage was basically her rubbing oil on me. Felt like she gobbed on like 5 bottles. I was disgusted and felt slimly. When the turn over happened she avoided directly touching my groin. 10 minutes till the end she asked if I wanted a HJ. I told her how about mouth? She said no. I said how about FS. She said no again and put her hands in handcuff sign. I guess they are strict here. She finished the massage if you can call it that. I tipped 40 baut and she was happy and I left. After leaving, I did see one hot girl at a bar but she was with a customer at a bar. I am leaving tomorrow to Bangkok then Vietnam.Over the last few years it's all changed here in Chiang Mai.

I avoid the Loi Kroh massage parlors like the plague. They are asking up to 1000 baht excluding the so-called massage for a no thrills basic get it over with a. S. a. P HJ. The girls can earn more that way then going off with a customer for full sex, or if FS is on the menu they are demanding silly money for it. One of my mates was quoted 3000 baht for short time. If a customer is quoted over and above a reasonable price for a HJ and the guy declines the offer the girls soon lose interest in the massage. This happened to me once and I ended up counting the minutes until I was out of there. Got bored with the mechanical soapies long ago, no surprises, strictly routine, expensive and boring.

The Thai mentality always amazes me. Their logic is that if business is down, to charge more to make up for the lack of customers instead of being reasonable that may tempt customers to go back there.

[Arthur Tick]

A friend visited the Jo Jo massage within the last 3 months and told me that FS was on offer at the Jo Jo massage in the Loi Kroh Road.
The girls, although he said were far off from being stunners, are youngish, slutty and shagable if not too fussy and don't mind a bit of rough.
What to expect: Firstly don't expect the GFE, it's fast and furious. The girl my friend had chosen took off her shorts and underwear but the rest of her clothes remained on. She insisted on being on top humping away on his cock like a cowboy riding a bucking bronco, no kissing, didn't like her tits being touched.
The cubicles are small with only room for a small mattress on the floor and each cubicle is separated by curtains only, so if on the job keep the noise down because you may only be a few inches away from a guy on the other side of the curtain.
First the girl tried it on for 3000 baht not including the so-called massage and he managed to haggle her down to 2000 baht including the 300 baht oil massage. Being desperate for a shag he went for it. Whole deal including massage was over in 35 minutes.
Directions: Going into the Loi Kroh Road from the moat, travel up to the crossroad, Khampangdin Road. Go over the crossroad and the Jo Jo massage is about 20 metres on the left. Can't miss it, it has a big white sign with huge blue letters saying Jo Jo massage over the shop.

Khampangdin Road. Turn left into the Khampangdin Road from the Loi Kroh Road, there are a handful of massage parlors going up that road on the left hand side and one on the right near the end of the road heading towards the Tapae Road.
Don't bother with the massage parlors on the left at the beginning of the road or the one on the right. One is a ladyboy and the others HJs only. Head for the massage parlors at the centre on the left. These parlors have mostly middle aged women dressed and made up trying to look 25 in the shade, but on occasions there are a couple of more younger girls on duty. I know FS is sometimes on offer at these parlors, but it is hit and miss depending on the girl. The younger girls don't speak English but the lady owners do. Try discretely asking the lady owners who is up for boom, boom. I also heard that they don't push for money and what is paid is left up to the discretion of the customers, usually from 1000 to 1500 baht for FS not including the massage. Again only tiny curtained cubicles and don't expect the GFE.

Noodle bar: From the Loi Kroh Road turn left into the Khampangdin Road. Near the beginning of the road on the left there is a small open-air noodle bar with tables and chairs. After 8. 00 pm there are sometimes freelancer girls sitting at the tables. The problem is that due to fears of the police the girls don't make it obvious they are up for grabs; they won't give a wink or wave at you. If you see some slutty looking girls discretely approach them and ask if they're up for it. Very few speak English; so knowing some basic Thai is an advantage. 4 years ago a mate claimed he pulled two 18 year old student girls from there, took the pair of them back to his hotel room and had the time of his life for 500 baht each girl. But that was 4 years ago, or maybe he just got lucky.

Nong Nuy Taxi Service and Massage Shop: This is more complicated because not directly in the town.
In the massage parlour is a fair skinned Burmese lady who speaks perfect English in her early 40's. She's skinny and no means a looker but some may fancy it.
The last time I were there was a year ago. I had an oil massage and she completely striped off, let me finger her pussy, tits, ass and a good French kisser while she gave me a HJ. She never rushed me and did not quote any prices and afterwards gave her 800 baht that included the massage, she was happy with that. She was probably up for FS but I didn't bother. The shop front has a glass sliding door with a curtain on the door for privacy that opened straight into a large room or shop and included a real bed. She did not lock the door that was a little off putting but no one else came in.
Directions: You will require own transport; it's out the way a bit. Taking you from the Night Bazaar. Travel up to the traffic lights by the Pantip Plaza. At the lights turn right into Sridonchai Road. Travel down until you reach the moat. As you hit the moat turn left into Ragang Road. The road is sign posted. Travel down a ways and then you will see a massage parlour on the corner where the road bears left and the road goes straight on. Don't bear left but go straight on. From then on the road becomes very narrow, almost like a footpath. Keep going and then the road turns sharp left. Go left with it; don't take the more narrower part that goes straight on. Go to the end of that road and you will come to a main road that has a blue concrete wall opposite. Turn left onto that road. The Nong Nuy Taxi Service and Massage Shop is about 50 metres on the left. It has a red and white hanging banner outside the shop with the name in English.

Please note: I am only giving recommendations and cannot guarantee that it will be the same experience for everybody, so don't blame me if disappointed. This is Chiang Mai where situations can change overnight.

[Arthur Tick]

A few months ago decided to stay in the town overnight for a bit of female refreshment. I stayed in a 200 baht a night room at the Chiang Mai Guest house around the side of MacDonald's by the moat.

At 9. 00 pm I ventured into the Loi Kroh Road. Had a beer at a couple of bars, but to be honest there was nothing there I fancied, plus having a chronic acid reflux problem I'm not able to tolerate too much alcohol. Began walking back to my guest house trying to avoid all the stinking, freaky feral transvestites when a few metres just before MacDonald's on the right I saw a plump girl about late 20's dressed smartly, almost like an office executive not sluttish standing alone in a dark closed shop doorway trying to look as inconspicuous as possible. I stood in front of her but she did not even look at me. Then I thought those who dares wins, I've got fuck all to lose and approached her. I asked, would she like to go with me? To my surprise she spoke very good English not the bargirl kind and said yes. I asked how much? She replied 1000 baht for an hour. I said done, lets go.

It was literally only 3 minutes walk to my room, very convenient. When we arrived in the room, she immediately striped off and made straight for the shower and left the door open. Having not had my leg over for quite some time and having full view of her big ass with the shower water streaming down her crack in front of my face I couldn't wait, striped off and dived into the shower with her. I have a fetish for not hideously fat women but plump girls, nice, warm, soft and plenty of meat to grab hold of. Right away she was into it, hand on my cock, tits press hard into my body and tongue straight into my mouth, I was desperately trying not to cum there and then. To my amazement she suddenly asked, would you like a GS?
Never had a Thai girl offer that before and especially without the mention of more money. So I agreed and it was lovely. Call me a pervert if you like. Then we showered again and onto the bed. Snogging so much I could hardly breath, still trying to hold in my orgasm, couldn't wait a second longer, I took out a condom from my bag and was just about to open it when she said; no need for a condom just put some baby oil on my dick and put it in and you can eat my pussy if you like. When this happens I see red flags waving, it's not a good sign and although it took tremendous will power not to say bugger it let's take a chance, common sense got the better of me. I did not want to return home the following morning worrying if I got something or not for the following 6 months, plus I'm married and have to be responsible.

I didn't mention anything to her and to be safe I put on 2 condoms and oh boy was she hot. Never have I had a Thai girl on the commercial sex scene so very uninhibited. Her only stipulation was not up the ass, but besides that, it was anything goes. But wearing 2 condoms I couldn't finish, tore the things out and she gave me a BBBJ, came in her mouth and she swallowed every mouth full. She gave me the full hour to the second and I could have had more time if I wanted. I tried to ask her about herself, but she was vague, said she prefers to work independent instead of a bar. I had a suspicion that because her English was so good, she may not have been Thai but a foreigner on the game working illegally in Thailand, although definitely south east Asian.

I have been told that she still hangs about that area at night, roundabout 9. 00 pm onwards. If you see her you'll know her, she's quite unique and no mistaking her for a ladyboy, 100% female and looks it. Smartly dressed, classy make up and medium length hair. Her name may have been Dee, but sorry can't remember exactly. Cannot guarantee she is there every night or she might be with another customer when you are in the area. . Keep the eyes peeled if in the area at the right time.

Do keep in mind to be careful when taking these girls, they are totally uninhibited and know how to make guys think with their dicks and not with their heads. There are risks if you can't control your urges.

Good old Arthur Tick never gives tall stories and bullshit, I will back up all my recommendations with details and locations and whatever new details I discover, I'll pass onto you.

[Wolvenvacht]

A few months ago decided to stay in the town overnight for a bit of female refreshment. I stayed in a 200 baht a night room at the Chiang Mai Guest house around the side of MacDonald's by the moat.

(. . .)
Good report Arthur. Indeed if we keep our eyes peeled, we'll find something nice everywhere.


To my amazement she suddenly asked, would you like a GS?

What's a "GS"? It is not in the list of abbreviations.


I didn't mention anything to her and to be safe I put on 2 condoms and oh boy was she hot.Actually wearing two condoms increases the risk that both the condoms will tear. You are safer wearing only one condom.

[PeterPurvis]

A few posts down there is a link for cm locator. Thanks Beno69. It has some great info with directions and services.

I arrived on my rented motorbike at paradise hotel at about 3. 30 pm. Made way up to 2nd floor room 211. There was a Thai guy waiting for his pick to take him to room. Waited a few seconds and a girl came out. Asked if I speak Thai. I said no, so in broken English she told me there were 2 girls available. Herself and another called Gik who immediately came through.

I chose Gik as her breasts appeared larger. Paid 1400 baht and after a few minutes Gik came out and escorted me to one of the rooms.

We undressed. Those breast disappeared with the padded bra then into the shower where she washed me down. Then onto the bed face down at first. I had always fancied a nuru massage and the feel of a cute naked lady sliding all over me didn't disappoint.

She then asked me to turn over and the sliding continued. Then whilst sliding her pussy up and down my leg she started to massage my cock and balls. After bringing me to attention she stopped using her hands, slid up and used her pussy to make me cum.

She cleaned up and massaged me for a further 5 min before we took another shower to clean the gel off.

I tipped her 200 baht and left. I will be back.

Although I wasn't offered any more services (What I had was perfect for me) I did notice that in her box of gels and lotions there were condoms so there could be the potential if required.

In summary this is a great place and I will be back. Although there are other places that I have to try I'm worried that I have been to the best one first. We will see.

[PeterPurvis]

A few posts down there is a link for Cmlocator. Thanks Beno69. It has some great info with directions and services.

I arrived at paradise hotel at about 3. 30 pm. Made way up to 2nd floor room 211. There was a Thai guy waiting for his pick to take him to room. Waited a few seconds and a girl came out. Asked if I speak Thai. I said no, so in broken English she told me there were 2 girls available. Herself and another called Gik who immediately came through.

I chose Gik as her breasts appeared larger. Paid 1400 baht and after a few minutes Gik came out and escorted me to one of the rooms.

We undressed. Those breast disappeared with the padded bra then into the shower where she washed me down. Then onto the bed face down at first. I had always fancied a nuru massage and the feel of a cute naked lady sliding all over me didn't disappoint.

She then asked me to turn over and the sliding continued. Then whilst sliding her pussy up and down my leg she started to massage my cock and balls. After bringing me to attention she stopped using her hands, slid up and used her pussy to make me cum.

She cleaned up and massaged me for a further 5 min before we took another shower to clean the gel off.

I tipped her 200 baht and left. I will be back.

Although I wasn't offered any more services (What I had was perfect for me) I did notice that in her box of gels and lotions there were condoms so there could be the potential if required.

In summary this is a great place and I will be back. Although there are other places that I have to try I'm worried that I have been to the best one first. We will see.

[Phordphan]

What's a "GS"? It is not in the list of abbreviations. Lluvia dorada, AKA G_ld_n Sh_w_r. (fripping censor). The provider "spends a penny" (fripping censor again) on the recipient, generally in the face and / or mouth.

[Arthur Tick]

A few posts down there is a link for Cmlocator. Thanks Beno69. It has some great info with directions and services.

I arrived at paradise hotel at about 3. 30 pm. Made way up to 2nd floor room 211. There was a Thai guy waiting for his pick to take him to room. Waited a few seconds and a girl came out. Asked if I speak Thai. I said no, so in broken English she told me there were 2 girls available. Herself and another called Gik who immediately came through.

I chose Gik as her breasts appeared larger. Paid 1400 baht and after a few minutes Gik came out and escorted me to one of the rooms.

We undressed. Those breast disappeared with the padded bra then into the shower where she washed me down. Then onto the bed face down at first. I had always fancied a nuru massage and the feel of a cute naked lady sliding all over me didn't disappoint.

She then asked me to turn over and the sliding continued. Then whilst sliding her pussy up and down my leg she started to massage my cock and balls. After bringing me to attention she stopped using her hands, slid up and used her pussy to make me cum.

She cleaned up and massaged me for a further 5 min before we took another shower to clean the gel off.

I tipped her 200 baht and left. I will be back.

Although I wasn't offered any more services (What I had was perfect for me) I did notice that in her box of gels and lotions there were condoms so there could be the potential if required.

In summary this is a great place and I will be back. Although there are other places that I have to try I'm worried that I have been to the best one first. We will see.Interested but a bit confused by your post.

You arrived at the Paradise hotel and after a short while a girl came out and said there are 2 girls available. How did that come about? Did you order them, is the hotel a brothel or what?

[PeterPurvis]

Interested but a bit confused by your post.

You arrived at the Paradise hotel and after a short while a girl came out and said there are 2 girls available. How did that come about? Did you order them, is the hotel a brothel or what?No it's not a 'brothel'. It's a happy ending massage place in the hotel. Room 211.

Check out.

http://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-absolute-paradise-spa-chiang-mai-p89

Well worth a visit.

[BigMark0]

This is my first report ever so bare with me. I have been in Chiang Mai now for 2 weeks and I will stay for another 2 weeks. Let's just call this the half way report. I am working here so not everyday I venture out but I have explored some options.

1) Koi Kroh Rd Massages. I went 2 times at 2 different places and will never go again. Both times they offered HJ for 1000 and BJ for 2000. Both times they would not offer FS. Got HJ once and BJ the other time. Both were not good. Final conclusion: over priced and not worth it at all. I would avoid. (That being said, both times the massage was actually pretty good and it's what I enjoyed the most but I won't go back for the massage as I know they will hassle me for a overpriced HJ.).

2) CelebX. Went here durning the day, I think it was around 3 pm. The selection was OK. The girl I choose was very good looking and pretty young, I think she told me her age was 20 or 21. Her English was almost non existent, but I communicated a little with the google translate app. The experience probably the worst soapy or shower massage experience yet. I could tell she really did not like her job (can't really blame her) She was extremely cold and a dead fish. Shower only lasted 5 minutes. When I left I told myself I would not return. But I have heard of others having a good experience here so I might try it again before I leave to see if I just had bad luck. I think I paid 1600 but there were other good looking women in the 1400 side.

3) Sayuri Massage. Went there around 2 pm. When I asked the price here they quoted me I think 1800,2000, and 2500 or something. I then asked if that was farang price or Thai price. They guy nodded and said it was farang price. He then asked if I lived here and I said yes I lived here (well I have been living here for 2 weeks so I guess that counts). The prices dropped in half. I think I ended up paying 1200 baht. Pretty small selection but I picked a girl that I thought was pretty attractive. The experience was pretty standard but I really enjoyed my time. The girl was super friendly and very loving. Got BBBJ and whatever positions I wanted. It was a very nice time and I would repeat. I have read a couple times that it gets very crowded here. When I was there, there might have been another 5-6 men sitting and having a drink and perhaps about 10-12 ladies.

4) Koi Kroh Rd Bars. I went to a bar one night and bar fined a nice girl. She was really sweet and a total GFE. The barfine was 500 and she asked for 1500 for LT, but I gave her 2000 because I really enjoyed my time with her. Back at my room her body was a lot different than what I expected. I guess having a baby took it's toll a little, but she was still very sweet and great in bed. She stayed until the morning when I gave her a ride back home. I'm definitely going to go back to the bars and bar fine again since I had such a great time. Unfortunately this girl told me she found someone to support her and will be traveling back with her to her home town in Issan this week and couldn't see me LT anymore, she did offer ST though. But I declined as I didn't want her to screw up her sponsorship deal.

5) Spot light Go Go. There were actually several pretty attractive ladies here. The women on stage don't really dance much, just short of move around and they are not topless. Just like the Go gos in BKK. I bar fined one woman here LT. She asked for 3000 for LT and I think the barfine was 500. Outside of the bar she was much less attractive than inside the go go. But I guess that is why they keep the lights so low. But again she was really sweet and nice woman. Pretty good GFE. Sex was very standard, 2 times and night and once in the morning. The morning she finished with BBBJ CIM. The funny thing is the entire night she was texting her Doctor boyfriend from the UK telling him about how much she missed him and sending him sexy pictures of herself. She told me he sponsors her and takes really good care of her sending her money every month. I was actually very happy for her and it didn't bother me one bit but I wouldn't want to be the other guy that's for sure.

Ping Payom Massage Parlor. I walked in here the other day. The women there were just OK. The prices were higher than other places. Most of the girls were at the highest tier which was 2500 for one hour. I left without taking anyone. Didn't really feel like it and the prices are higher than other places. I might go back just to try it but I'm not sure.

Street FL. I only saw a few sitting on benches. Non of them looked very good. I have gone several nights to find the mysterious FL that Author Tick mentioned in his report. I couldn't find her at all. I have looked around the Thae phae gate near the McDonalds and she is no where to be seen. Author Tick, if you have any better intel of where she is or her line ID it would be greatly appreciated.

Where I still plan on exploring.

I will probably go to the bars again to barfine a lady LT. I plan on repeating a soapy or two and definitely want to go to Foxy Lady Go Go as I have heard it is pretty good and the girls actually dance well.

Until next report.

[Uncle Volodya]

This is my first report ever so bare with me. I have been in Chiang Mai now for 2 weeks and I will stay for another 2 weeks. Let's just call this the half way report. I am working here so not everyday I venture out but I have explored some options.

Until next report.Great report! Signs of life in Chiang Mai. I am definitely intrigued. I look forward to your next report.

PS: Have you thought about giving Wechat or Thai Friendly a try? There may be some sexy young college students out there lookign for a sponsor or to make a little extra cash. A Thai girl of mine from Pattaya complains about her sister, whom she is putting through uni in CM, neglecting her studies and spending too much time online looking for guys.

[Syzygies]

4) Koi Kroh Rd Bars. I went to a bar one night and bar fined a nice girl. She was really sweet and a total GFE. The barfine was 500 and she asked for 1500 for LT, but I gave her 2000 because I really enjoyed my time with her. That should be Loi Kroh. Pronounced like Loi Cro(p) without the letter-P. Difficult for Farangs.

Nearby road Tha Pae is also difficult to pronounce but close to "Tar Pair" meaning floating raft jetty or pier.

[Aponymous]

Great report! Signs of life in Chiang Mai. I am definitely intrigued. I look forward to your next report.

PS: Have you thought about giving Wechat or Thai Friendly a try? There may be some sexy young college students out there lookign for a sponsor or to make a little extra cash. A Thai girl of mine from Pattaya complains about her sister, whom she is putting through uni in CM, neglecting her studies and spending too much time online looking for guys.I met a reliable P4P girl through Thaifriendly, and I keep the contact going and I see her every once in a while. I meet and date normal girls through there, too, so it's not like all girls there are looking specifically for customers--probably just a few.

I also see a girl who works at Sayuri, outside of Sayuri, so that's another possibility. When I met her at the soapy, I just asked her point-blank if she'd want to meet outside of work. She was guarded at first, but I let her know I was serious and discreet, and she gave me her number. She's a lot more fiery in a different element, though it usually takes a night around town to get her worked up.

[BigMark0]

OK, I am just wrapping up my last day in Chiang Mai, tomorrow I fly to BKK.

These last 2 weeks I haven't tried as many places so this report will have less intel.

Foxy Lady.

The only new place I tried was Foxy lady. I had high expectations for this place as I had read before that they had really beautiful women and they actually danced really well. What I found was a little different. It was pretty much the same as all other gogo places. The dancing and women there were no different than anywhere else. When I first got there I sat down and immediately a woman started talking to me who I later found out was 42 years old. Now she looked OK for 42 and if I was in my 60's or 70's maybe I would go for her but this was the first time I had seen a go go girl in her 40's. Her body was OK but her face looked her age. I was polite to her but I didn't buy her a drink. I did give here 100 baht tip just so I didn't feel so bad ignoring her. I soon saw a girl dancing who I thought was very attractive and she waved me over so it was a good excuse to move. I ended up bar fining this girl. 700 Baht for bar fine and 2000 for girl. The only thing about Foxy is you pay everything before you leave (minus whatever tip you want to give the girl at the end). So you pay the bar 2700 plus drinks before you leave. I was a little worried about this but it ended up being fine (at least for me). The girl stayed all night and was actually a really fun girl to hang out with. The sex wasn't really that spectacular but she had a really good body and was just a fun person to hang out with. The next morning she invited me to go with her and her friends to a temple and lunch. So it was me and 4 women from Foxy lady. It was really fun to hang out with the girls, get to know them and see them in their normal life. I ended up bar fining this girl from Foxy 3 or 4 more times while I was here and we spent another 3 or 4 days doing stuff around chiang mai during the day. I was thinking that if I met this girl somewhere else and she wasn't a go go girl, I would probably want to date her for real. But we will probably stay friends for a while, which is nice too.

Side note: I found out both spot light and foxy were started and owned by farangs which I though was surprising. Also there is another go go named nice lady which I never went to.

Would I recommend Foxy Lady? It's nothing special in my opinion from other go go bars and ended up being much more expensive than saurya, celeb or bar fining a girl from a bar.

Thai friendly.

The entire time I've been here in CM I have been using Thai friendly. I'll write about my experience with it since others have mentioned it. First off there are significantly less women on there that in BKK which I guess would be obvious. You see a lot of the same faces on there everyday. I only found 1 women on there which I know for sure was a FL. Maybe there were others but I didn't really set my profile as a blatant pitch for them. I was actually looking to meet normal girls and date. I am a decent looking guy in my 30's. Most women I messaged on there would message me back and most would chat on line with me. But really, trying to get these women to actually meet in real life was a pain in the butt. I really don't know if it is worth all the chatting. It was a lot of work and many of the girls are flaky. Plus many of them work so much, like 7 days a week! I must have chatted with about 70 women but I did end up going on several dates. The first girl I met I actually went to dinner and a movie with and she ended up coming back to my place and staying the night. We had sex and it was OK, sort of like sleeping with a girl when I was in high school, very shy. The only problem was this girl started showing up at my place unannounced. It started to freak me out. She would just send a message saying "I'm Here" and I was like WTF, you better leave and tell me ahead of time if you are coming. I think she even came to my room late at night one night and heard me with someone else. She is a really nice girl though. All the other dates I went on either I wasn't attracted to the girl or she wouldn't come home with me.

I just want to note: Thai girls are experts at taking selfies and using different apps to improve their appearance in pictures. Many of the girls I met looked significantly better in their pictures than in real life. Just FYI.

I found a lot of women on TF (actually in Thailand in general) are single mothers looking for long term men to take care of them. They were more eager to chat and meet than the young beautiful women without kids. (which I guess would be obvious).

Last TF meet up. OK so this is my last day in CM and this just happened about 2 hours ago. I had been chatting with this girl on TF for about the entire month I've been here and either she was busy or I was busy. Anyways, we were chatting this afternoon and she asked if I wanted to meet. I said sure, and she said to come to her room. I asked what she was doing and she said she was watching porn. (prior to this, non of our chatting was sexual at all, just casual stuff about her job and what we were both doing at the time. She is a travel translator and speaks fluent English and mandarin.) When I get there, she wasn't bad looking at all and a really nice girl, we ended up having sex. Her BBBJ was great BTW, which I hadn't had in a while. Until today I had never done this before, just showing up to someones room and having sex. She never asked for money either. She said she just stopped her anti depression medication and it made her super horny. I though, "oh great maybe she is a little crazy" (I took the used condom with me because it crossed my mind I didn't want to leave my sperm with her. You never know!) She ended up having meeting for work shortly after we were done and we only spent less than 1 hour together. When we were walking out the door she asked "oh, what's your name by the way" haha I felt like a used piece of meat. But I would probably do it again, if just for the great BBBJ.

Bar Girls insights.

Not all bar girls will Bar fine:

I never took another bar girl out beside the one from my last report but I did get to know one girl pretty well just drinking. She told me she doesn't bar fine and just works at the bar. I believed her as I would always see her multiple nights working. Apparently there are many girls at the bars that will not bar fine and are only there to drink. So maybe if you are looking to barfine you should ask before buying drinks if it is a possibility instead of wasting your time and money.

Very few stunner:

Only about 10-15% of the girls at the bars were of interest to me. There are not a lot of girls available to be honest and there are some bars that only have 1-3 girls working!

Bar girls are like eagles and elephants:

Seriously I would walk by trying not to be seen by some bar girl and somehow every time she would turn her head and spot me even if I was in the dark. They have a sixth sense for spotting every single guy that walks by. You can't hide. They all remember you too. You would think since they see so many people walk by they would forget you, No! They remember. The massage girls too!

Thoughts on Chiang Mai.

Chiang mai is OK for mongering with many options but definitely not BKK though. (I have not been to Pattaya yet.). I miss BJ bars for sure. If CM had them I wouldn't leave.

Chiang mai is a small town. I ran into the same people multiple times, either at the mall or at the park. It is harder to blend in here and the longer you stay the more you will run into the same person. I had a bar girl spot me in the park and another one see me walking around the street. I think if you were to stay here for a long time it would be better just to find a girl friend.

Did you know Thailand is the #1 country for infidelity, both men and women? Look it up.

OK that's it for now! I'll be in BKK tomorrow.

P.S. That TF girl I just met 2 hours ago just sent me a message that she is in her bed again waiting for me.

[Uncle Volodya]

OK, I am just wrapping up my last day in Chiang Mai, tomorrow I fly to BKK.

These last 2 weeks I haven't tried as many places so this report will have less intel.

Foxy Lady.

The only new place I tried was Foxy lady. I had high expectations for this place as I had read before that they had really beautiful women and they actually danced really well. What I found was a little different. It was pretty much the same as all other gogo places. The dancing and women there were no different than anywhere else. When I first got there I sat down and immediately a woman started talking to me who I later found out was 42 years old. Now she looked OK for 42 and if I was in my 60's or 70's maybe I would go for her but this was the first time I had seen a go go girl in her 40's. Her body was OK but her face looked her age. I was polite to her but I didn't buy her a drink. I did give here 100 baht tip just so I didn't feel so bad ignoring her. I soon saw a girl dancing who I thought was very attractive and she waved me over so it was a good excuse to move. I ended up bar fining this girl. 700 Baht for bar fine and 2000 for girl. The only thing about Foxy is you pay everything before you leave (minus whatever tip you want to give the girl at the end). So you pay the bar 2700 plus drinks before you leave. I was a little worried about this but it ended up being fine (at least for me). The girl stayed all night and was actually a really fun girl to hang out with. The sex wasn't really that spectacular but she had a really good body and was just a fun person to hang out with. The next morning she invited me to go with her and her friends to a temple and lunch. So it was me and 4 women from Foxy lady. It was really fun to hang out with the girls, get to know them and see them in their normal life. I ended up bar fining this girl from Foxy 3 or 4 more times while I was here and we spent another 3 or 4 days doing stuff around chiang mai during the day. I was thinking that if I met this girl somewhere else and she wasn't a go go girl, I would probably want to date her for real. But we will probably stay friends for a while, which is nice too.

Side note: I found out both spot light and foxy were started and owned by farangs which I though was surprising. Also there is another go go named nice lady which I never went to.

Would I recommend Foxy Lady? It's nothing special in my opinion from other go go bars and ended up being much more expensive than saurya, celeb or bar fining a girl from a bar.

Thai friendly.

The entire time I've been here in CM I have been using Thai friendly. I'll write about my experience with it since others have mentioned it. First off there are significantly less women on there that in BKK which I guess would be obvious. You see a lot of the same faces on there everyday. I only found 1 women on there which I know for sure was a FL. Maybe there were others but I didn't really set my profile as a blatant pitch for them. I was actually looking to meet normal girls and date. I am a decent looking guy in my 30's. Most women I messaged on there would message me back and most would chat on line with me. But really, trying to get these women to actually meet in real life was a pain in the butt. I really don't know if it is worth all the chatting. It was a lot of work and many of the girls are flaky. Plus many of them work so much, like 7 days a week! I must have chatted with about 70 women but I did end up going on several dates. The first girl I met I actually went to dinner and a movie with and she ended up coming back to my place and staying the night. We had sex and it was OK, sort of like sleeping with a girl when I was in high school, very shy. The only problem was this girl started showing up at my place unannounced. It started to freak me out. She would just send a message saying "I'm Here" and I was like WTF, you better leave and tell me ahead of time if you are coming. I think she even came to my room late at night one night and heard me with someone else. She is a really nice girl though. All the other dates I went on either I wasn't attracted to the girl or she wouldn't come home with me.

I just want to note: Thai girls are experts at taking selfies and using different apps to improve their appearance in pictures. Many of the girls I met looked significantly better in their pictures than in real life. Just FYI.

I found a lot of women on TF (actually in Thailand in general) are single mothers looking for long term men to take care of them. They were more eager to chat and meet than the young beautiful women without kids. (which I guess would be obvious).

Last TF meet up. OK so this is my last day in CM and this just happened about 2 hours ago. I had been chatting with this girl on TF for about the entire month I've been here and either she was busy or I was busy. Anyways, we were chatting this afternoon and she asked if I wanted to meet. I said sure, and she said to come to her room. I asked what she was doing and she said she was watching porn. (prior to this, non of our chatting was sexual at all, just casual stuff about her job and what we were both doing at the time. She is a travel translator and speaks fluent English and mandarin.) When I get there, she wasn't bad looking at all and a really nice girl, we ended up having sex. Her BBBJ was great BTW, which I hadn't had in a while. Until today I had never done this before, just showing up to someones room and having sex. She never asked for money either. She said she just stopped her anti depression medication and it made her super horny. I though, "oh great maybe she is a little crazy" (I took the used condom with me because it crossed my mind I didn't want to leave my sperm with her. You never know!) She ended up having meeting for work shortly after we were done and we only spent less than 1 hour together. When we were walking out the door she asked "oh, what's your name by the way" haha I felt like a used piece of meat. But I would probably do it again, if just for the great BBBJ.

Bar Girls insights.

Not all bar girls will Bar fine:

I never took another bar girl out beside the one from my last report but I did get to know one girl pretty well just drinking. She told me she doesn't bar fine and just works at the bar. I believed her as I would always see her multiple nights working. Apparently there are many girls at the bars that will not bar fine and are only there to drink. So maybe if you are looking to barfine you should ask before buying drinks if it is a possibility instead of wasting your time and money.

Very few stunner:

Only about 10-15% of the girls at the bars were of interest to me. There are not a lot of girls available to be honest and there are some bars that only have 1-3 girls working!

Bar girls are like eagles and elephants:

Seriously I would walk by trying not to be seen by some bar girl and somehow every time she would turn her head and spot me even if I was in the dark. They have a sixth sense for spotting every single guy that walks by. You can't hide. They all remember you too. You would think since they see so many people walk by they would forget you, No! They remember. The massage girls too!

Thoughts on Chiang Mai.

Chiang mai is OK for mongering with many options but definitely not BKK though. (I have not been to Pattaya yet.). I miss BJ bars for sure. If CM had them I wouldn't leave.

Chiang mai is a small town. I ran into the same people multiple times, either at the mall or at the park. It is harder to blend in here and the longer you stay the more you will run into the same person. I had a bar girl spot me in the park and another one see me walking around the street. I think if you were to stay here for a long time it would be better just to find a girl friend.

Did you know Thailand is the #1 country for infidelity, both men and women? Look it up.

OK that's it for now! I'll be in BKK tomorrow.

P.S. That TF girl I just met 2 hours ago just sent me a message that she is in her bed again waiting for me.Great report! Thanks for the info on CM. Makes me think about giving it a try for a week or so next trip.

[Blanquiceleste]

This is my first report ever so bare with me. I have been in Chiang Mai now for 2 weeks and I will stay for another 2 weeks. Let's just call this the half way report. I am working here so not everyday I venture out but I have explored some options.



OK, I am just wrapping up my last day in Chiang Mai, tomorrow I fly to BKK.

Fantastic start Mark. Well written and very informative for someone travelling to CM. I have been there a couple of times and I come away with similar feelings. The girls are not that pretty but they will give you a great time and make you feel truly special. In all my visits I have also ended up barfining the same girl for more than one night in a row. Partly because there are limited options and partly because the girl I picked (Namfon) was so nice.

I think you just picked the wrong chick at CelebX. That place offers some good options. Sayuri pricing is a stroke of genius. We all know about the differential pricing and its amazing you got the local prices.

I agree on 2000 THB for a BJ is excessive, specially when the skills and questionable. 1000 THB for a HJ is atrocious.

BTW if I am not mistaken, Foxy Lady & Spot Light are "owned" by a Thai lady named Malee, in her late 40's / early 50's but the investment is by a farang who is sort of her boyfriend / husband. Never got that story right. I believe she runs a couple of bars in Pattaya as well on Soi 7.

All in all this report gives me reason to believe there is still plenty of action in CM and I must make a trip soon.

[AsianVid]

I just walked in the large bar complex on Loh Kroh road in Chiang Mai. Plenty of bars to get a drink but it was just empty. No bar lady to be seen in miles and this was high season. I imagine if the place was full some good times can be had.

https://youtu.be/cfoaCfavz7k

[Beno69]

Great report! Thanks for the info on CM..... Quote the howl text for 1 Phrase. ?

[Syzygies]

Quote the howl text for 1 Phrase. ?Ha ha. I guess you mean the "whole" text. LOL.

The CM mongering scene comes across as extremely limited and a bit depressing. I go to ChiangMai sometimes but certainly not with mongering as the main intent. I guess there are those who must experience everything. Its now so many years since I visited the CM Soapies. CM bars were pretty hopeless in the distant past, but every city has some sort of mongering.

[HansAPils]

Hey guys,

Going up to CM in March.

Looking for advise on where to go etc. And what to avoid.

Will stay at LaiThai so not far from action.

Read a few days back people mentioning ThaiFriendly to look for a 'partner' but have not found any profile yet that is looking for 'short term'.

What do you guys suggest?

Thanks.

[Tomasb]

I have been here and Pai for several weeks and for me it is a desert. I am an older guy, which does not work in my favor here. I notice a few younger farangs going into Warm Up Club on Nimman Road near the Maya Mall and the university. Some game is also required.

I went to the main bar street a few times (Loi Krop) but found it dreadful and a far cry from the nightlife of BKK. Also, the bars and clubs really do shutdown at midnight though WarmUp seems to stay open a bit later. This means adjusting your schedule. It's not like BKK where you don't even leave your residence until 11. You got to get out and about earlier.

Hope you better than me.


Hey guys,

Going up to CM in March.

Looking for advise on where to go etc. And what to avoid.

Will stay at LaiThai so not far from action.

Read a few days back people mentioning ThaiFriendly to look for a 'partner' but have not found any profile yet that is looking for 'short term'.

What do you guys suggest?

Thanks.

[Arthur Tick]

Hey guys,

Going up to CM in March.

Looking for advise on where to go etc. And what to avoid.

Will stay at LaiThai so not far from action.

Read a few days back people mentioning ThaiFriendly to look for a 'partner' but have not found any profile yet that is looking for 'short term'.

What do you guys suggest?

Thanks.On the mongering scene Chiang Mai is a dead loss every which way you look at it.

I joined Thai Friendly a couple of weeks ago and all I keep getting is messages from 50 plus year olds. The younger women seem to be mostly interested in chat and facebook and I'm not interested in that. Haven't found any desirable women on there that want to party or meet for short time. I am not old but on the older side and it seems the desirable women have age limits and out of bounds for me. Maybe the younger guys would have a better chance of scoring on there.

As for making any suggestions, I seriously don't have any as most of what's in Chiang Mai as been well covered all ready.

[Aponymous]

Hey guys,

Going up to CM in March.

Looking for advise on where to go etc. And what to avoid.

Will stay at LaiThai so not far from action.

Read a few days back people mentioning ThaiFriendly to look for a 'partner' but have not found any profile yet that is looking for 'short term'.

What do you guys suggest?

Thanks.On TF, I've met three girls with the potential for partnering up, but things materialized with only one of them. Advice: message as many girls as you're interested in, write them back and try get a conversation going; don't be explicit about sex, just be friendly and chatty, but say early on that you like to have "fun. " They'll ask you what you mean by fun, and say something modest but obvious. Some will cut you off, some will keep chatting, and things might work out with one or more of them. You don't know if you don't if you don't try, and while TF isn't a goldmine for mongering, there are some opportunities. Also, download Line for your phone and give out your LineID. Everybody uses it here, you won't have to pay to message whenever you want on TF, and the girls are more likely chat back with you on Line because it's already in their comfort zone.

The girl I drill regularly isn't a party girl, but is pretty mellow and good company and good sex, and she appreciates the generosity of a horny farang like me. Not really a crazy nympho like BigMark talks about meeting, but she's available for a private date when I call or message her, and I keep the contact going. At this point, having seen her several times, the money I leave for her is pretty much up to me.

Another girl on TF, after a few messages, told me straight-up she was a bar girl, and asked me if I still wanted to talk to her. I said of course I love bar girls, and she sent me her number and some hot pics of her at work. Her pics on her profile were very modest, you wouldn't guess by looking that she's a BG. I haven't gone to meet her, but she looked legit in the pics she sent me privately. In chat, I asked her out of curiosity what she thought of business in CM, and I got a classic Thai answer: "Business no good because right now there no customer. " Nothing about the nights or months when she sees the most action, or average rates, or BG gossip.

The third girl, after about two messages on Line, said she was learning massage and spa, and offered to meet up for 2000. I said that sounded like a hell of a lot for a massage, and she said "don't worry, good relax good massage at your place, you know what I mean. " I negotiated 1500 for "first time," and she said we could meet that night. A few hours later, she started messaging me with all kinds of stuff, "where are you? Are you with anyone? Where are you going after?" Struck me as a little nutty, and I didn't pursue it for being a little too much drama, but she put the offer on the table up front.

Without TF, my Thai girlfriend keeps me pretty well unloaded.

[DwayneJohnson]

Hey guys,

Going up to CM in March.

Looking for advise on where to go etc. And what to avoid.

Will stay at LaiThai so not far from action.

Read a few days back people mentioning ThaiFriendly to look for a 'partner' but have not found any profile yet that is looking for 'short term'.

What do you guys suggest?

Thanks.Try soapies in CM, sayuri complex, celebrity body massage etc. That is better than wasting time on TF unless you are blunt enough to ask for ST / LT instead of sawasdee khrup.

I was also thinking of going to CM for a week in March but then came to know this is burning season causing extreme pollution so postponed plans. Do your own research before going to CM but I wouldn't recommend going during burning season.

[PirateMorgan]

I have only been here for two weeks and only went to one massage place and walked out. Right now I feel that being in CM is like being in a church. This place really sucks so far. ThaiFriendly has been a big waste of time and I always do well on the sites. One in thirty responses is from CM. NOBODY speaks English. On the dating sites nor here in town. I live in the best area of the city. I did get my longer term visa. So off to Pattaya or?

[Member #4591]

I have only been here for two weeks and only went to one massage place and walked out. Right now I feel that being in CM is like being in a church. This place really sucks so far. ThaiFriendly has been a big waste of time and I always do well on the sites. One in thirty responses is from CM. NOBODY speaks English. On the dating sites nor here in town. I live in the best area of the city. I did get my longer term visa. So off to Pattaya or?I was there last week and the go go bars were quite busy with many beautiful white skinned ladies. Have you checked them out yet? I would also try the location based chat apps such as we chat. Also try and learn some basic Thai language and it will make a world of difference. A few hours on the web with you tube and google translate would be a good start.

[Beno69]

... Right now I feel that being in CM is like being in a church. This place really sucks so far.
..One in thirty responses is from CM. NOBODY speaks English....

Chiang Mai is not Pattaya. But the City is very nice and they speak English at least so good like in Pattaya. Maybe you meet the wrong Poeple.

[RyanCM]

I live in CM, http://www.mychiangmai.org/ a helpful site for P4P.

[HansAPils]

Hi all,

After my disappointing experience at Annie's in Bangkok I made my way up north. To Chiang Mai to be more precise.

1st visit. Sat 5th March.

I went to Celebrity Massage about two hours after I landed in Chiang Mai. Loi Kroh road is just a few minutes away and thanks to some other websites I found my way to the.

Massage parlor very easily. Upon arrival I was welcomes by. What I believe is. Papasan who was sitting outside of the venue chatting to some people.

Celebrity Massage seems to be housed in an old hotel and you enter the old lobby with the fishbowl. Overall very clean and well maintained. Papasan asked me to sit down and asked me what I was looking for. I said I look for some passion, somebody experienced, young and fun. He pointed out a few numbers but I decided to go for no 41 - a tiny girl.

Allegedly from Chiang Mai. I am not good remembering names. Especially from some pleasure girls. So sorry for that.

The fishbowl itself is separated into two categories. On the right the girls for THB 1400 and the more experienced girls (incl. The ones that don't do it with Farang) on the left for THB 1700. And there were some amazing stunners on the left. But the right had some nice personalities too.

After I selected my lady I was guided to an elevator where the girl joined me. We went up a few floor to the level with the (former hotel-) rooms. Again all very nice maintained and tidy incl. Marble-isa flooring). We went down a long corridor and my girl opened one of the doors. Inside (and I cannot repeat myself often enough) a nice and tidy room with a TV, A/C, bed and big bath tub. I was asked to undress whilst the girl filled the tub with water. Whilst the water was running I got a nice, but not professional, massage.

It lasted about 15-20 minutes. After that we hopped into the tub for a full body wash. Unfortunately the lady did not speak any English so communication was limited to gestures and very very basic English. We had a lot of fun in the tub, the girl was quirky and very friendly. A nice tiny firm body with be-size (real) boobs, ah and she had braces so looked schoolgirl-ish. In the bathtub no real action other than some almost-handjob to get my little friend cleaned up.

After another 20 minutes of washing each other (yes, of course I wanted to wash her too) we went to the bed for some more basic massaging. After a few minutes she got a condom, dressed me up and started a BJ. Heyho, the foreplay got intense. We did some 69 etc. And I really enjoyed her company.

I was not expecting the full GFE after papasan told me earlier the rules. No kissing, always condom, max 1. 5 HR / 1 shot.

And then things went more serious. We did it in every single position I could imagine. Reverse cowboy, doggy, missionary etc. The full program until I came. She did not rush it at all, as it wanted me to come to an end, she seems to enjoy it. No lubrication needed at all.

A final time into the shower, cleaned up and 1. 5 hours later I left the venue very very happy.

Rating (at 12 pm).

Venue- 4/5 Stars.

Selection of girls- 3/5 Stars (because some very hotties did not want farang).

Rating girl no 41- 4/5 stars.

Value for Price -5/5 Stars (compared to Annies THB 3000 per session).

Overall - 4/5 stars.

2st visit. Sun 6th March.

Went to Celebrity again because of my experience on the day before.

I never had a 3-some so I decided to go for 2 girls at the same time. Early birthday present Papasan remembered me instantly and we spoke about the rules if I were to take 2 girls. He recommended an experienced girl and maybe a inexperienced younger girl. Guess what I went for no 41 again who also remembered me and we joked around a little bit. She selected a girl to work with her who was little smaller, 19 years old, little chubby but real the-size cups. I think her number was 51 or 57. Anyhow, I could feel immediately that she wasn't in the job for long, she seemed to be a little shy and unsure on how to approach me. She did not speak any English at all.

Same procedure. I went to the lift and the 2 girls followed me. Same floor, different room. Started with a massage again on the bed after undressing. No 41 fun as always whilst she seemed to give the other girl instructions on what to do / how to massage. So the other girl WAS new. My girl and I jumped into the bath tub whilst the new girl stood outside washing me from behind. I asked the ladies to swap so that I could show the new girl what I like but she was still very shy. She started to boob-wank me which was very nice, she definitely has experience in that topic. Again quick shower to rinse off, the obligatory mouthwash and we went back to the bed, one girl to my left, one to my right. They kissed my body allover and whilst I was busy with the new girl, no 41 dressed me up in latex and rode me reverse cowboy. After 10 minutes the ladies swapped positions and the new girl tried to ride me too. With a little too much force so I needed to change positions and finished off missionary whilst no 41 was kissing and stroking me from behind.

So that was it. My first 3-some for the price of a 2-some in Bangkok.

No 41 was again very nice but professional whilst the new girl seemed to be so inexperienced, it actually turned me on.

And I tell you what. I may go again tomorrow (IF I decide to skip testing Sayuri).

Good night!

[JasonMaxed]

Nong Nuy Taxi Service and Massage Shop: This is more complicated because not directly in the town.
In the massage parlour is a fair skinned Burmese lady who speaks perfect English in her early 40's. She's skinny and no means a looker but some may fancy it.
The last time I were there was a year ago. I had an oil massage and she completely striped off, let me finger her pussy, tits, ass and a good French kisser while she gave me a HJ. She never rushed me and did not quote any prices and afterwards gave her 800 baht that included the massage, she was happy with that. She was probably up for FS but I didn't bother. The shop front has a glass sliding door with a curtain on the door for privacy that opened straight into a large room or shop and included a real bed. She did not lock the door that was a little off putting but no one else came in.
Directions: You will require own transport; it's out the way a bit. Taking you from the Night Bazaar. Travel up to the traffic lights by the Pantip Plaza. At the lights turn right into Sridonchai Road. Travel down until you reach the moat. As you hit the moat turn left into Ragang Road. The road is sign posted. Travel down a ways and then you will see a massage parlour on the corner where the road bears left and the road goes straight on. Don't bear left but go straight on. From then on the road becomes very narrow, almost like a footpath. Keep going and then the road turns sharp left. Go left with it; don't take the more narrower part that goes straight on. Go to the end of that road and you will come to a main road that has a blue concrete wall opposite. Turn left onto that road. The Nong Nuy Taxi Service and Massage Shop is about 50 metres on the left. It has a red and white hanging banner outside the shop with the name in English.Hey Arthur,

Have you been back here at all since that last time? I know my way around and thought I would give it a shot, how did you go about making her know you wanted 'the works' when you asked for the oil massage? Or she kinda just did it on her own? I know some places if you don't at first say a few hints they won't really get it? Your Thai is fairly good or just said straight up?

Cheers,

Arthur

[JasonMaxed]

Nong Nuy Taxi Service and Massage Shop: This is more complicated because not directly in the town.
In the massage parlour is a fair skinned Burmese lady who speaks perfect English in her early 40's. She's skinny and no means a looker but some may fancy it.
The last time I were there was a year ago. I had an oil massage and she completely striped off, let me finger her pussy, tits, ass and a good French kisser while she gave me a HJ. She never rushed me and did not quote any prices and afterwards gave her 800 baht that included the massage, she was happy with that. She was probably up for FS but I didn't bother. The shop front has a glass sliding door with a curtain on the door for privacy that opened straight into a large room or shop and included a real bed. She did not lock the door that was a little off putting but no one else came in.
Directions: You will require own transport; it's out the way a bit. Taking you from the Night Bazaar. Travel up to the traffic lights by the Pantip Plaza. At the lights turn right into Sridonchai Road. Travel down until you reach the moat. As you hit the moat turn left into Ragang Road. The road is sign posted. Travel down a ways and then you will see a massage parlour on the corner where the road bears left and the road goes straight on. Don't bear left but go straight on. From then on the road becomes very narrow, almost like a footpath. Keep going and then the road turns sharp left. Go left with it; don't take the more narrower part that goes straight on. Go to the end of that road and you will come to a main road that has a blue concrete wall opposite. Turn left onto that road. The Nong Nuy Taxi Service and Massage Shop is about 50 metres on the left. It has a red and white hanging banner outside the shop with the name in English.Did you go back there after that visit yet Arthur? I know my way around and thinking about checking it out there. Could you let me know how you let her know you wanted 'the works'? Or she kinda expected what you wanted and just stripped all by herself? Just treading carefully, some places, if you don't really hint at what you want they don't really approach it properly (like you not wearing a towel for oil massage? You just spoke English to her asking for normal oil?

Cheers!

[Arthur Tick]

Did you go back there after that visit yet Arthur? I know my way around and thinking about checking it out there. Could you let me know how you let her know you wanted 'the works'? Or she kinda expected what you wanted and just stripped all by herself? Just treading carefully, some places, if you don't really hint at what you want they don't really approach it properly (like you not wearing a towel for oil massage? You just spoke English to her asking for normal oil?

Cheers!I have been there several times. I haven't visited there for the last few months, have been out the country for a while and back now. The woman speaks very good English and no need to speak Thai to communicate with her, in fact she's actually Burmese not Thai or so she said.

Here's the ploy. Go in and ask for a one hour oil massage. Strip off, lay on the bed, on your back not on your stomach, so you are facing the woman. Don't bother throwing a towel over yourself so she knows you're not the shy type and gives a hint of what you expect. If she places a towel over your private parts, give it a couple of minutes and throw it off again. But each time I went she did not bother with the towel.

Tell her you only want your front massaged, not your back or arms. Let her do her thing and eventually she will work her way onto your dick. She done this automatically when she could see I had a hard on. What I liked about it was that she did not mention money or a you want? How much thing. Once she starts doing the business on your dick start feeling up her tits then her crutch and pull off her undies, that is what I did. But don't go at it like a stallion on heat, just let everything gently take its course and you will score.

[Lemon Ade]

Hey Arthur,

Have you been back here at all since that last time? I know my way around and thought I would give it a shot, how did you go about making her know you wanted 'the works' when you asked for the oil massage? Or she kinda just did it on her own? I know some places if you don't at first say a few hints they won't really get it? Your Thai is fairly good or just said straight up?

Cheers,

ArthurI dropped by about a week ago. When I asked about massage, the woman working there said she'd "Have to call the massage lady". She didn't seem that keen, so I went elsewhere.

[Maaipi]

The shop is closed or change from owner.

Visit the shop a 2 months ago. There was a farang inside with a Thai lady.

He say to me the shop is close.


I have been there several times. I haven't visited there for the last few months, have been out the country for a while and back now. The woman speaks very good English and no need to speak Thai to communicate with her, in fact she's actually Burmese not Thai or so she said.

Here's the ploy. Go in and ask for a one hour oil massage. Strip off, lay on the bed, on your back not on your stomach, so you are facing the woman. Don't bother throwing a towel over yourself so she knows you're not the shy type and gives a hint of what you expect. If she places a towel over your private parts, give it a couple of minutes and throw it off again. But each time I went she did not bother with the towel.

Tell her you only want your front massaged, not your back or arms. Let her do her thing and eventually she will work her way onto your dick. She done this automatically when she could see I had a hard on. What I liked about it was that she did not mention money or a you want? How much thing. Once she starts doing the business on your dick start feeling up her tits then her crutch and pull off her undies, that is what I did. But don't go at it like a stallion on heat, just let everything gently take its course and you will score.

[Arthur Tick]

The shop is closed or change from owner.

Visit the shop a 2 months ago. There was a farang inside with a Thai lady.

He say to me the shop is close.Seems another one bites the dust. Good while it lasted.

[Beno69]

Here one more page with links to massage etc:

http://www.mychiangmai.org/

[Arthur Tick]

Here one more page with links to massage etc:

http://www.mychiangmai.org/It's the same old stuff as there is on Chiang Mai Locator only a lot less of it. The same old fake photos, there are no reviews and that site has a lot of fancy text and titles but says nothing. Like all these places they're about doing as little as possible, in the quickest possible time for as much as possible. I don't see anything on there that offers full sex without the massage or going through the bar ritual at rich bastards prices.

That site is only recycling what is on offer at all the other sites and we already know about.

[Canick1]

I'm an older American with no foreign language skills. Before coming to Chiang Mai, I spent three weeks in Viet Nam and Lao with no FS. The last thing I needed was another HJ happy ending in a Loi Kroh spa. So I RTFF's and decided to target Celebrities and Sayuri. In five days I had delightful sessions with Bum, Faa, and Dao at CelebX. I tried to select a fetching MILF at Sayuri, but the papasan wanted double Celeb's price for their midrange selection. So I walked back to CelebX. All three WGs cost 1400 each, and I tipped an additional 300. They were all enthusiastic and into the pleasure of it. The one significant difference is that Bum said no to DATY, and when I talked about it with papasan he said it was a hit-or-miss proposition. However, when I brought it up with Faa, she simply said it would take a tip, which was coming her way anyway. And Dao simply rolled over, spread wide, and enjoyed the ride almost as much as I did. Maybe Bum was coming off her period or something and papasan was covering for her. Otherwise, each lady gave a lively and titillating session in the tub followed by proficient CBJ and FS in multiple positions. Bum and Faa were good cuddlers after the deed, while Dao wanted to work me over some more with a massage. So thanks to the recommendations on this forum, my faith in women kind is restored, and I'm looking forward to more fun and games in Bangkok this weekend.

[Arthur Tick]

I have been reading good reports about what was called the Santitham 99 that used to be located in the Santitham Road and has since relocated to another area off the Super Highway and now called, 99 Karaoke, I have all ready checked it out on Google Street view.

The reports say; 99 Karaoke is a very local Thai brothel basically disguised as a bar / karaoke but is actually a brothel. It's mainly focused on a Thai clientele but the mamasan does speak English. Better speak a decent word of Thai and don't be surprised if either the business or some of the girls refuse you service. Buy a girl there, the girls usually take you to The Great Love Hotel. Other reports say; all the girls are 8's to 10's, and for 1200 baht includes the room, a full hour with massage and FS. I speak some basic Thai so not a problem for me. I read about that place sometime ago but have never tried it out.

Considering that most of the commercial sex scene in Chiang Mai has turned to shit I find this 99 Karaoke too good to be true and considering it suppose to be even cheaper than the soapies and minus the Loi Kroh Road type hags it sounds like an absolute bargain to me that makes me rather skeptical about the whole deal.

Have any of you ever been there or would recommend this place?

[Syzygies]

The one significant difference is that Bum said no to DATY, and when I talked about it with papasan he said it was a hit-or-miss proposition. However, when I brought it up with Faa, she simply said it would take a tip, which was coming her way anyway. And Dao simply rolled over, spread wide, and enjoyed the ride almost as much as I did. Maybe Bum was coming off her period or something and papasan was covering for her. Otherwise, each lady gave a lively and titillating session in the tub followed by proficient CBJ and FS in multiple positions..Thanks for the info. This is what I consider a really useful report. Makes me want to try next time in Chiang Mai.

As for girls not wanting DATY. You are right that can be their period time and have something stuffed inside the pussy to try to hide it. It's also possible that girl is scared of the stimulation, and doesn't want to get overly stimulated with the threat of orgasm.

Most hookers in Thailand say that they do not orgasm at work from normal fucking but certainly can more easily from a good DATY. There is considerable variation however in what turns girls on, and whether they will allow themselves to be highly turned on. Girls with no boyfriend and not too tired, may well allow themselves to enjoy it. Some girls told me they have a boyfriend but still were willing to enjoy themselves, when chemistry with customer was really good, I. E. Were not totally exclusive to their "boyfriend". Some of these girls were not that serious with the BF and possibly looking to get rid of him in the future. Everything is possible. Can't put every girl into the same box.

Some girls that retire and settle down with a BF, stop playing up, according to what they are telling me, however may not be 100% true. Thailand is generally very high on infidelity, I believe.

[Forever69]

Some girls that retire and settle down with a BF, stop playing up, according to what they are telling me, however may not be 100% true. Thailand is generally very high on infidelity, I believe.I think what you are missing and therefore leave out is that the boyfriends are with the girls well knowing what's going on and are in it purely for the money. If she stops working, then what?

[Arthur Tick]

I think what you are missing and therefore leave out is that the boyfriends are with the girls well knowing what's going on and are in it purely for the money. If she stops working, then what?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXuOFsC7Pv8

[PirateMorgan]

Skype photo of Chiang Mai PG girl.

[Naked Gunz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXuOFsC7Pv8I don't know if you can ever really stop them. At the end of the day all they know is how to fuck to get money, unless YOU put a ring on it. Even if you do that is it ever enough? She even told him "You think you give me big money". Family will come running when farang is now in the family. Thai women are the worst in the world, and the dumbest smart chicks I ever met. Its not just Thailand, I have a new colleague that's married to a Colombian. She's hot but the stories he told be about being married to her for fourteen years made me lose respect for him.

Great post, it brought back bad memories of when I tried to invest in a Thai. Losing proposition unless she is fucking fugly.

[EatALotOpus]

Hello all,

First time poster long time prowler. I welcome any constructive criticism. This is not a F* report but a heads up to the brothers that prefer to go bareback. Went to a massage parlor located on Loi Kroh Rd on the last day of Songkran. ML was little inebriated and the quality was almost non existent. However she was fun to chat with and very friendly. He was offered on the promises with full service at your hotel. I was not in the mood for it and we remained jovial. Spent an hour chatting and groping each other most of the time. Here is what I came away for my 200 bht donation. There are two ladies working the massage parlors on Loi Kroh Rd, infected with HIV. The ML informed me that one of the two ladies will go with a man and ask him to wear a cover. If he refuses, she does not inform him of her infection. She claims that some of her clients only profess that they are clean, not thinking or asking if she is clean. As of the other infected lady, I could not get any more intel other that she is infected. Asked where are they working and was pointed down the road toward the Old City. So if you enjoy BB keep that in the back of your mind.

[Syzygies]

Hello all,

First time poster long time prowler. I welcome any constructive criticism. This is not a F* report but a heads up to the brothers that prefer to go bareback. Went to a massage parlor located on Loi Kroh Rd on the last day of Songkran. ML was little inebriated and the quality was almost non existent. However she was fun to chat with and very friendly. He was offered on the promises with full service at your hotel. I was not in the mood for it and we remained jovial. Spent an hour chatting and groping each other most of the time. Here is what I came away for my 200 bht donation. There are two ladies working the massage parlors on Loi Kroh Rd, infected with HIV. The ML informed me that one of the two ladies will go with a man and ask him to wear a cover. If he refuses, she does not inform him of her infection. She claims that some of her clients only profess that they are clean, not thinking or asking if she is clean. As of the other infected lady, I could not get any more intel other that she is infected. Asked where are they working and was pointed down the road toward the Old City. So if you enjoy BB keep that in the back of your mind.I would be especially wary of long time hardened hookers that do BB easily. The odds are they may get HIV eventually. A lot of bare backing must/might catch up with them. I would like to see their proper test results myself. Some guys have to be the unlucky ones. The other thing, is the risk of simple diseases like Gonor. And Chlamydia are so easy to get (and fortunately very easy to cure once you are aware you got it).

I am even wary of young girls that may have been fucking around with low class Thai boys. That is almost always bareback stuff and risky. Hence so many unwanted pregnancies.

The risk of giving your GF a dose of the clap has to be important. Those that have no GF, may well take higher risks.

I am not meaning to preach, or anything like that. It's just about guys making their own decisions based on real risks that may not be very high at all under some circumstances. But like "Eat a Lot of Pus" says, the reality is that some girls will have HIV. We cannot assume they are banned from working. They all have to make money and corruption thrives.

[Arthur Tick]

I would be especially wary of long time hardened hookers that do BB easily. The odds are they may get HIV eventually. A lot of bare backing must/might catch up with them. I would like to see their proper test results myself. Some guys have to be the unlucky ones. The other thing, is the risk of simple diseases like Gonor. And Chlamydia are so easy to get (and fortunately very easy to cure once you are aware you got it).

I am even wary of young girls that may have been fucking around with low class Thai boys. That is almost always bareback stuff and risky. Hence so many unwanted pregnancies.

The risk of giving your GF a dose of the clap has to be important. Those that have no GF, may well take higher risks.

I am not meaning to preach, or anything like that. It's just about guys making their own decisions based on real risks that may not be very high at all under some circumstances. But like "Eat a Lot of Pus" says, the reality is that some girls will have HIV. We cannot assume they are banned from working. They all have to make money and corruption thrives.Hookers could be described as the in-betweeners when it comes to germs and viruses. When hookers have intimate contact with several men on a daily basis they are susceptible to every known disease. Even if a customer only has a common cold he is likely to pass it on to the hooker and she to her next customers. Just kissing can spread incurable oral herpes and even HIV in certain circumstances. Hookers don't have a reputation for being called dirty prostitutes for nothing.

But that's a risk we take when exchanging bodily fluids with prostitutes, that are really just biological sperm receptacles or almost like public conveniences for men.

[Syzygies]

Hookers could be described as the in-betweeners when it comes to germs and viruses. When hookers have intimate contact with several men on a daily basis they are susceptible to every known disease. Even if a customer only has a common cold he is likely to pass it on to the hooker and she to her next customers. Just kissing can spread incurable oral herpes and even HIV in certain circumstances. Hookers don't have a reputation for being called dirty prostitutes for nothing.

But that's a risk we take when exchanging bodily fluids with prostitutes, that are really just biological sperm receptacles or almost like public conveniences for men.You really do have an ugly turn of phrase, showing how you look down on prostitutes and perhaps also their customers. It would seem strange then if you actually used the services of hookers. How would you know how many men your woman has been with previously, or would only a virgin do? Personally I don't regard hookers as "dirty". Thai hookers are far cleaner than my Farang ex-wife, who I could not perform DATY on as it was just too foul down there.

I think you exaggerate a little. The common cold is caught through the nose by breathing in virus contaminated air. I catch all sorts of airborne viruses most times I take a long plane flight, even though not kissing anyone onboard. My nasal blood vessels are too close to the skin surface. Kissing is not considered a relatively significant risk factor for passing HIV. Probably no provable cases exist.

Cold Sores (Herpes Simplex type 1) yes. Its seems blood tests show I did contract that at some time in the past, even though I was not aware I ever had a cold sore, exactly. Perhaps mine was too small to be sure what it was. A large percentage of the population has contracted that at some time anyway. Kissing so many women so often, it might be freakish to actually avoid that one.

Once I caught a bad virus from a hooker, that seriously knocked me about for a few days, and that made me susceptible to a bacterial Impetigo ulcers infection. Its possible I even caught cold sores at the same time as that, with one condition possibly disguising another. I do agree that constant consorting with hookers, or amateurs (no charge girls) equally so, has health dangers, for those diseases easily passible by skin touch or by more delicate parts. My understanding is that general population (non hookers) are using condoms significantly less than hookers.

Many microbes we catch, are good for our health, but not all.

[Oliver Kitsoff]

On the mongering scene Chiang Mai is a dead loss every which way you look at it.

I joined Thai Friendly a couple of weeks ago and all I keep getting is messages from 50 plus year olds. The younger women seem to be mostly interested in chat and facebook and I'm not interested in that. Haven't found any desirable women on there that want to party or meet for short time. I am not old but on the older side and it seems the desirable women have age limits and out of bounds for me. Maybe the younger guys would have a better chance of scoring on there.

As for making any suggestions, I seriously don't have any as most of what's in Chiang Mai as been well covered all ready.L live in CM been here since early 2013 on a retirement xtn. Have a live-in TG, but she is away on biz.

I'm not that big a monger in CM, although I have done a few from the LK bars. I don't usually go for the classic monger 'stunners' anyway, so the 'look-quality' is not really an issue for me.

I like the girls to be a little on the dark and chubby side, I like big arses, and slutty by nature, the 'outlaw' ladies, the non-conformists, even within the P4 P culture, and also must have a good dirty personality.

Guess what, some of the plain jane girls are the best fucks, who woulda thought?

Also, CM is nothing like the south, but I accept that, why pine for the impossible when a return flight to BKK and a spartan but clean room (in the current downturn) both cost less than a BKK session? I'm a glass-half-full monger.

I know you are down on the scene here, and I can't really give you any 'secret venues' but PM me if you want a beer, and say what district / suburb is convenient.

The Muang is not necessarily the best place for an intro / meet beer if we both don't live there, right? .

[Oliver Kitsoff]

Hello all,

First time poster long time prowler. I welcome any constructive criticism. This is not a F* report but a heads up to the brothers that prefer to go bareback. Went to a massage parlor located on Loi Kroh Rd on the last day of Songkran. ML was little inebriated and the quality was almost non existent. However she was fun to chat with and very friendly. He was offered on the promises with full service at your hotel. I was not in the mood for it and we remained jovial. Spent an hour chatting and groping each other most of the time. Here is what I came away for my 200 bht donation. There are two ladies working the massage parlors on Loi Kroh Rd, infected with HIV. The ML informed me that one of the two ladies will go with a man and ask him to wear a cover. If he refuses, she does not inform him of her infection. She claims that some of her clients only profess that they are clean, not thinking or asking if she is clean. As of the other infected lady, I could not get any more intel other that she is infected. Asked where are they working and was pointed down the road toward the Old City. So if you enjoy BB keep that in the back of your mind.I don't want to start a BB debate.

Everyone has their own risk assessment and appetite.

I will say that statistically, it is not at all easy to get HIV from F to M vaginally, and almost not even possible orally.

Let's address a lot of fear and ignorance right now.

1. HIV needs an opening to your bloodstream to transmit, there is NO OTHER WAY.

Therefore, victims are usually in low health to begin with, they are undernourished, and have open sexual sores and other defence weakening STI's.

Such as the very high infection statistics in sub-saharan Africa.

HIV in vaginal fluid or saliva is minute, that's why they do blood tests, and not a vag or mouth swab. Duh!

2. The media and authorities want to control your behavior, they lie, or simply parrot outdated info about everything, but especially sex and drugs. To prove this point, it is simply not possible to get hooked on one hit of anything.

Nicotine is the most addictive substance on earth, and any smoker will tell you they had to 'work' at it to get hooked as kids. Use common sense guys, don't believe the hype.

3. I lived with an HIV+ BKK girl for 3 months before she was diagnosed (routine check) we bare-backed almost daily, even on start of 'red' days, she had been positive four years when she found out.

I am still -ve 2 years later. I also had four bareback encounters since, the last was with exchange of 'clean' blood tests before the session, as it was a pre-arranged bareback 'party'. I have barebacked most of my life, and have had NSU / Chlamydia many times. So is my HIV neg status just luck?

No, just statistically highly unlikely to get HIV from a pussy, even a bleeding one, if my skin is not open to my bloodstream.

4. Most of the worlds population carries the genital warts and herpes viruses. If you are a sexually active adult, you have been exposed, absolutely no question.

Outbreaks are another thing entirely. But having said that, all of it is mostly BS hysteria, your life will go on as normal with any, or indeed, all of these viruses.

Some people have the viruses, and never even show symptoms. Some get really knocked around, particularly with Herpes, but the first attack is usually the worst, then sometimes it never reappears. Like everything, YMMV.

5. Stop reading BS media 'MD' sites and go to the 'savage love' site or podcast.

Yes, he is gay, but those guys know what they are talking about with sex health, they HAVE had to -to survive.

6. Bottom line, if you are out there fucking, make sure you're getting the education you need to maximise your fun.

Then again, I prefer stupid people to stay scared, and be wrapped up 'safe' since, well, they're stupid to begin with. They're the ones who go and get a dose that's usually avoidable.

By NOT understanding a little about hygiene -and how viruses work.

[Arthur Tick]

L live in CM been here since early 2013 on a retirement xtn. Have a live-in TG, but she is away on biz.

I'm not that big a monger in CM, although I have done a few from the LK bars. I don't usually go for the classic monger 'stunners' anyway, so the 'look-quality' is not really an issue for me.

I like the girls to be a little on the dark and chubby side, I like big arses, and slutty by nature, the 'outlaw' ladies, the non-conformists, even within the P4 P culture, and also must have a good dirty personality.

Guess what, some of the plain jane girls are the best fucks, who woulda thought?

Also, CM is nothing like the south, but I accept that, why pine for the impossible when a return flight to BKK and a spartan but clean room (in the current downturn) both cost less than a BKK session? I'm a glass-half-full monger.

I know you are down on the scene here, and I can't really give you any 'secret venues' but PM me if you want a beer, and say what district / suburb is convenient.

The Muang is not necessarily the best place for an intro / meet beer if we both don't live there, right? .Thanks for the offer to meet for a beer. I live almost 50 kilometres from the town so if I'm visiting the town I want something to look forward to when I arrive there to make the trip worthwhile. I have a big chopper (motorbike that is) and can be in the town in about 45 minutes. Back in the old days I would go for a meal or a drink with mates and then we'the finish up at the bored housewives club what we used to call filling our boots but that's no longer possible.

No offence to you but I already have friends that I meet on occasions for a chat that usually follows by having nothing to do and then going straight home afterwards and most of my friends feel the same way I do. Now I'm looking for the full Monty and why I joined these forums. We meet up once a week invitations are sent by email and I can put you on our mailing list if you are interested, but sorry there is no totty there, just a load of boring old blokes. If we could go for a drink and you know some places where some action is we could follow on afterwards then I would love for us to meet up somewhere and may be arrange for some others to join us and that goes for anyone else.

[Oliver Kitsoff]

(SNIPPED)

No offence to you but I already have friends that I meet on occasions for a chat that usually follows by having nothing to do and then going straight home afterwards and most of my friends feel the same way I do. Now I'm looking for the full Monty and why I joined these forums. We meet up once a week invitations are sent by email and I can put you on our mailing list if you are interested, but sorry there is no totty there, just a load of boring old blokes. If we could go for a drink and you know some places where some action is we could follow on afterwards then I would love for us to meet up somewhere and may be arrange for some others to join us and that goes for anyone else.No offence taken Arthur. As a boring old bloke myself anything beats the tragic comments pages on Thai Visa. I'll PM you shortly.

[Dan D Dick]

Certainly not a mongers' destination, IMO. It appears there are two (2) ago-gos in town. One right across the moat from the hotel we stayed at (De Naga). 700 B bar fine; I have no idea how much for ST or LT. All were in bikinis / bras & panties. No topless or nude. Actually quite boring.

What I did: had my GF from Isan meet me in Pattaya. After a few days of clock-readjustment we flew Air Asia to Chiang Mai (UTP-CNX). The Pattaya airport (UTP) is about an hour south of the city; closer to 30 minutes in the very early hours. Cost 1000 B for taxi from taxi stand; certainly cheaper if you negotiate directly. But note Air Asia says they close their counters one hour before flight time; not sure if they really do or not but I recommend you CYA. We stayed at the De Naga hotel (13,500 B for 4 nights on Agoda). It has a pool (small) and is inside the old walled city. Excellent location & quiet. A few minutes walk to coffee shops, bars & restaurants as well as the re-constructed main gate. The ago-go we went to is directly across the moat from our hotel. 160 B from the Chiang Mai airport to the hotel. 250 B for the hotel car to return. Air fare for the both of us was about $200 r/t. ; less if you don't want to pick your seats & get a snack. Like around $130 US for both seats r/t total.

My recommendation: Visit Pattaya for a week. Get your clock straight (12 hrs difference for me). Find a gal you like & negotiate her LT price for the trip. Bar fine her for the duration. All Thai girls want a customer to take them to Chiang Mai. ALL. Then buy your tickets on the Air Asia site & pick a hotel. For me, 4 days was plenty in Chiang Mai. I visited the main temple with my GF then sent her on her own to see whatever she wanted while I smoked my cigars at the local coffee shop (Coffee Club. Starbucks on the other side of the main gate is no-smoking & has very limited outdoor seating).

Overall a good trip from my end but I would not want to show up alone.

Just my thoughts. Take 'them or leave 'them.

/ dddick.

[Beno69]

Certainly not a mongers' destination

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&mid=1Pq0R5KKnbNkw1NIme3Qc5wsPwlo

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ll=18.797565%2C98.972086&spn=0.00456%2C0.010568&msa=0&mid=1jkaVyDnx0gKZnqUjx64eV9mQh68


Maybe old Link, but still mostly OK!

[Wolfie2]

Hi guys,

I have booked flights to CM (following a couple of weeks in Phuket) for a week over Thai new year 10-17/4 next year. I have been there once before about 3 years ago stayed at the Raming and really enjoyed both CM and the Raming. I am looking at hotels, which would be better positioned for Songkran, not just water fights but parades and particularly music venues. I presume there will be live party bands in the street same as I saw in Bangkok 3 years ago. I was thinking or Raming or maybe hotel M on Thapae Gate? I am getting on a bit and do not like to walk too far (I will be renting a scooter) but need party bars (and the live music) within easy walk of the hotel.

[Oliver Kitsoff]

Hi guys,

I have booked flights to CM (following a couple of weeks in Phuket) for a week over Thai new year 10-17/4 next year. I have been there once before about 3 years ago stayed at the Raming and really enjoyed both CM and the Raming. I am looking at hotels, which would be better positioned for Songkran, not just water fights but parades and particularly music venues. I presume there will be live party bands in the street same as I saw in Bangkok 3 years ago. I was thinking or Raming or maybe hotel M on Thapae Gate? I am getting on a bit and do not like to walk too far (I will be renting a scooter) but need party bars (and the live music) within easy walk of the hotel.The entire moat area is one big party zone, so where you stay will only matter in terms of what you want to be near, eg your favorite non monger pub or restaurant or spinner den.

As an expat, doing songkran was fun once (before the crackdown) but I actually avoid it now.

It's basically a young idiot magnet. Morons who think its funny and fun to use ice water, fire high velocity and filthy moat water into one's face, risking eye ear nose and throat infections, and general arseholery, just because they can.

The other side of the coin is the police are being forced to crackdown on 'revealing' dress of partygoers, which started this year, so cold wet titties may not be much in evidence.

Also, live music (electric equipment) and H2O tend not to mix too well.

Finally, it's hot as hell, but then again, you can always cool down with the filthy moat water flying about.

But up to you!

[Oliver Kitsoff]

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&mid=1Pq0R5KKnbNkw1NIme3Qc5wsPwlo

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ll=18.797565%2C98.972086&spn=0.00456%2C0.010568&msa=0&mid=1jkaVyDnx0gKZnqUjx64eV9mQh68


Maybe old Link, but still mostly OK!Beno69.

Thank you for the first (topmost) link. Quite a good locator, if low on detail.

The second map has 3 venues on it and unspecified what they specialise in, in short the original creator should not have even bothered!

Whatever happened to the 'independent' beerbar run by the girls and not some gangsta, supposedly way out in Chiangmailand mubaan?

Too far from the action to begin with, but a shame it seems to have flopped.

It's time Thailand got a bilingual version of the 'peppr' app I am so fucking tired of mamasans barfines and other parasites.

I just want to meet the girl, figure her out, decide if I will buy her a normal drink in a normal bar, and fuck her, with ALL the profits going to her.

I'm sure many of them feel the same.

[Oliver Kitsoff]

Hi guys,

I have booked flights to CM (following a couple of weeks in Phuket) for a week over Thai new year 10-17/4 next year. I have been there once before about 3 years ago stayed at the Raming and really enjoyed both CM and the Raming. I am looking at hotels, which would be better positioned for Songkran, not just water fights but parades and particularly music venues. I presume there will be live party bands in the street same as I saw in Bangkok 3 years ago. I was thinking or Raming or maybe hotel M on Thapae Gate? I am getting on a bit and do not like to walk too far (I will be renting a scooter) but need party bars (and the live music) within easy walk of the hotel.Wolfie,

As a follow up to my first response, I don't mean to be a killjoy. I just think the Songkran is less and less fun each year, as I said its the idiots thinking up new ways to punk people who just want to have good natured fun, or the NCPO goons and their curmudgeon rules about clothing and girls dancing on the back of trucks. And OK I'm getting older myself, but who isn't?

I would suggest the bars within the Anusarn Market area would be the best places for live music, also the rooftop bars of Maya mall (hi so + hi prices) or lo so in KSK basement, as they are completely aircon or on rooftops (Blues Bar) its not always going to be top 40 hits stuff, but I don't recall any live music around the moat as the water slinging is just out of control, but maybe I'm wrong.
I imagine the clubs in the Nimman mubaan are also going to be jumping, but they are mainly Thai and regular kids, not spinners and keenok mongers. If you are young and 'handsum' you may get laid, you also may get your head kicked in by jealous Thai boys, just a thought.

Spicy is now a dead duck by 0100. I am not sure it will survive the crackdown. The Zoe @ Yellow complex has also suffered in the early closing rules. I guess they just cant pay the 'fines' anymore.

OTOH the Mandalay 'superclub' has reopened with off duty police as security, and it does seem to have a table or two of spinners waiting to be picked up. YMMV. But the bands and DJs are excellent and do a mix of Thai and Western hits.

Prices are cheap, table/bottle service will come in at under 1000 thb easily if you drink low end spirits. They will reserve your bottle for you, and give you a ticket as proof of 'ownership' so you can come back multiple times and enjoy. It shuts around 0400.

Anyway, I hope you have fun and don't get some shitty jungle bug from the water.

Regards, OK.

[Wolvenvacht]

Hi guys,

I have booked flights to CM (following a couple of weeks in Phuket) for a week over Thai new year 10-17/4 next year. I have been there once before about 3 years ago stayed at the Raming and really enjoyed both CM and the Raming. I am looking at hotels, which would be better positioned for Songkran, not just water fights but parades and particularly music venues. I presume there will be live party bands in the street same as I saw in Bangkok 3 years ago. I was thinking or Raming or maybe hotel M on Thapae Gate? I am getting on a bit and do not like to walk too far (I will be renting a scooter) but need party bars (and the live music) within easy walk of the hotel.Mixing rented scooters and Songkran is a really bad idea. Anyhow Chiang Mai is so small you can leg it easily or at the worst take a tuk tuk or taxi.

[Wolvenvacht]

I just want to meet the girl, figure her out, decide if I will buy her a normal drink in a normal bar, and fuck her, with ALL the profits going to her.

I'm sure many of them feel the same.I'm sure they don't otherwise we would see much more FLs roaming the streets and "normal" bars.

What you want is now taking place on various social media: ThaiFriendly, Date-in-Asia, Line and the like. Make contact there and then meet in a normal bar.

[Arthur Tick]

I'm sure they don't otherwise we would see much more FLs roaming the streets and "normal" bars.

What you want is now taking place on various social media: ThaiFriendly, Date-in-Asia, Line and the like. Make contact there and then meet in a normal bar.There are a few freelancers that have to be carefully filtered out from the ladyboys hanging about at and around the Tapae Gate area late at night and many can be [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) but look older with police disguised as tuk tuk drivers or in plain clothes keeping watch ready to pounce on any unsuspecting Farang tempted into the jailbait trap. Also many can be filthy and mentally disturbed. Even some of the most hardcore mongers I have known would not go near them. I have stayed in the town, gone out on the prowl at night, pulled a street girl, and had her back to my hotel room and in my bed within minutes of leaving my room. They're so cheap it is possible to grab 2 or even 3 at bargain rates. Maybe good for guys who fancy getting involved with an orgy on the cheap if they don't mind risking fucking a piece of street meat that may have STDs or who knows what other diseases, girls that haven't bathed or washed their clothes for maybe weeks, tramps in fact.

I tried Thai Friendly for several months after being recommended by a friend. Most of what I was getting were messages from past their sell by date Thai women begging for some Farang in shining armor on his white horse to come and rescue them from a life of loneness, being left poor and on the shelf for the rest of eternity. One had published on her profile claiming to be 59 but looked more to be 69 her photo wearing in a bikini. I almost threw up. The majority contacted me first and then had to block them for the messages to stop, they were literally begging me to respond to them. Some were obvious escorts that I had seen advertising on criagslist. Any younger desirable women up for it are demanding 2000 baht for short time expecting the guy to host at his place. One woman 32 years old or so she claimed, offering massage wanted 2000 baht for a so called massage followed by a HJ, no sex she said and the guy had to host into the bargain. Thanks but no thanks. The rest make it clear they are only seeking longer term relationships and that can be interpreted anyways we like. Most likely means looking for sugar daddies or mugs to finance them each month. Especially get suspicious when a stunning 20's or 30 something women says she is looking for men from ages 18 to 90 or any age. Also too many of the really hot looking girls have messages on their profiles saying; so and so name is receiving too many messages, please upgrade to contact her. Sorry, I'm not falling for that one. There are some sincere nice Thai women on there that is great for the guys seeking that sort of thing, but sorry it's not a mongers site for pulling and fucking, not by any stretch of the imagination, although I have no doubts some guys have struck lucky if the women really like them, but it's still very hit and miss no different to pulling a bird at a disco. I looked at the Chiang Rai profiles, more or less the same thing, Bangkok had more choice but the Pattaya section was much better and well stocked. So if planning a trip to Pattaya maybe a good idea to hook up with girls on there and arrange to meet them in Pattaya. But Chiang Mai is hardly worth the effort although I am sure some Jack the Lad saying he is in his 60's and scoring on there 2 dozen times a day will accuse me of doing it all wrong.

I also checked out Date in Asia, POF and some other free dating sites, all were much of the same, even had many of the same women on all those sites where Chiang Mai is concerned. Some women I noticed had been on there for several years, so something must be wrong somewhere.

The real stuff what I call the creme the la crème of Chiang Mai Thai pussy are the sideliners. These are young girls anywhere between the ages of 16 up to early 20's. They are mostly student girls looking to earn extra money to help pay for their Uni fees or similar wanting additional cash to buy their cell phones, computers, clothes and makeup the must haves for any spoilt young ladies that prefer not to work for it and why they're called sideliners. Most are going for 1000 to 1500 baht, well worth it for a piece of decent finger licking good young Thai pussy, only there is a catch. The majority of these girls only advertise on Thai forums or Thai dating sites and quite a few on facebook but only in Thai text and Thai language as these girls are not really into Farangs that much. So unless the Farang can speak, read and write in fluent Thai, then getting a hook up with a sideliner is virtually impossible. Another way is making contact via an agent. An agent can be any Thai person, a market stall seller, a taxi or bus driver, anyone. But we never get to know who these agents are. Another way if Farangs have a good Thai friend or an acquaintance that can speak English and help the Farang to make sideliner hookups on their sites. I can assure you all that these girls do exist but most are strictly reserved for the Thai clientele, we only get the seconds, the rejects that most Thais wouldn't even give a second glance or if they are lookers would expect and demand a lot more than 1500 baht from a Farang.

[Roll Aides]

I actually made that map quite some time ago, it was in response to the specific question many guys have when trying to find the two cheap brothels on that road that have been referenced many times in the CM forum but are a bit of a pain to find. The context was clearly referenced in the original post.

To clarify, there are (or were, that was 2011,) two "lady houses" there which cater mainly to low income Thai clientele (tuk tuk drivers, etc.) but are open and friendly to farang. As I recall the prices were 500-650 baht for ST. The facilities are not what you might call high end, if you can't tolerate a cold shower and slum-level bedding, skip it. On the other hand, they're cheap, friendly, and can be fun if you want a change of pace from the fishbowls. Good luck, and happy mongering.



The second map has 3 venues on it and unspecified what they specialise in, in short the original creator should not have even bothered!

[Arthur Tick]

I actually made that map quite some time ago, it was in response to the specific question many guys have when trying to find the two cheap brothels on that road that have been referenced many times in the CM forum but are a bit of a pain to find. The context was clearly referenced in the original post.

To clarify, there are (or were, that was 2011,) two "lady houses" there which cater mainly to low income Thai clientele (tuk tuk drivers, etc.) but are open and friendly to farang. As I recall the prices were 500-650 baht for ST. The facilities are not what you might call high end, if you can't tolerate a cold shower and slum-level bedding, skip it. On the other hand, they're cheap, friendly, and can be fun if you want a change of pace from the fishbowls. Good luck, and happy mongering.I read somewhere, can't remember exactly, that one of those brothels has gone and the really cheap and nasty one is hanging on by a thread, may even have been shut down by now for all I know. Also they are not Farang friendly even to the Farangs that speak Thai, because the owners fear that Farangs will bring them unwanted publicity and too much attention to them. Besides that I believe all the Chiang Mai lady houses are now history. It's amazing that Chiang Mai has to be the only city in the world that doesn't have a seedy area, all very prim and proper, so there will not be any chance of husbands or boyfriends sneaking out for a bit of humpty humpty with the local working girl at the brothel down the road or in fact anywhere in Chiang Mai.

There are small out of town bars along the roads all over Chiang Mai, the one's that usually have the coloured Christmas lights sparkling outside their entrances that do have available girls going on the cheap, but again are all very locally Thai orientated and one would have to know some Thais to show you where they are and how to get to know the girls in those places.

[John Hebbes]

Here one more page with links to massage etc:

http://www.mychiangmai.org/Did anybody tried already one of the B2B massage places like Absolute Paradise Spa, Fang VIP Members Club, Victoria Club, Raspberry Spa?

[Arthur Tick]

All around the outskirts of Chiang Mai city there are new glorified body to body massage parlors opening. Some are called clubs, such as the Pretty Club for example and others actually classifying themselves as body to body massage.

The Pros and Cons:

The only pros are the girls who are prostitutes and all the rest are total cons.

They prey on a first time customer's naivety, the object being to extract a customer of thousands of bahts in the quickest time possible, a sort of blitzkrieg on the wallet.

This is how it works:

A gullible guy walks into the premises. The first site that hits him is wall to wall eye candy, the girls of his dreams, 10 out of 10's, all dressed provocatively enough to wet the appetite of a saint. These are the bait.

Next, the customer will be shown a menu. It's lists a range of the services offered. Usually starting at 1000 baht per hour for a no thrills Thai massage up to 1700 baht for a one hour body to body oil massage. Printed under each listed service are the words; THIS IS A NON-SEXUAL SERVICE.

If the guy agrees to the full 1 hour oil body to body massage for the flat fee of 1700 baht as listed on the menu, then the girls will demand that he pays the full amount upfront.

Once he has paid, the guy will be given a choice of a girl and she will lead him into the massage room. Now this is when the first great disappointment begins. Most of us are under the impression that a body-to-body oil massage will be done in the nude. Not so in this case. The girl will ask the guy to lie on the bed flat on his stomach. Then she will either just leave her shorts on or both her shorts and bra. She will continue by pouring a whole load of goop onto the guy's back and legs and then proceed to slide up and down the guy. The reason the girl will insist that the guy lays on his stomach is so that she has full control of the situation in case the guy begins getting too amorous before the bartering process begins.

Within 4 to 5 minutes the girl will prod the guy for his attention and ask what else he would like the girl to do for him? What this means is, that whatever service the guy wants over and above what's on the menu is an extra. In other words, the guy's interpretation of what is involved in the process of an oil body-to-body massage may cost him thousands, and I mean thousands of bahts more than the prices listed on the menu. If the guy is unable to afford the extras or declines the girl's offer, than they don't care because the parlour already has his 1700 baht. In many cases the guy may not even receive the full 1700 bahts 1 hours worth of time.

If in the event that a customer complains, the staff will quickly remind him that it is a non sexual service as described on the menu. Yes, the quoted non-sexual service part is there to cover they're own asses, so the customer has no legalities if he wishes to take his complaint further.

In these places the girls are the carrots to tempt the donkeys or should I say; *******es. You have been warned.

[Forever69]

Did anybody tried already one of the B2B massage places like Absolute Paradise Spa, Fang VIP Members Club, Victoria Club, Raspberry Spa?There were some encouraging reports about absolute paradise just a while back here. Just use the search function in this thread. Do not be discouraged by a t who is all gloom and doom about Chiang mai. But continues to live here? I suspect it's a money problem.

Truth is when I go to the bar area on Loi kroh Road with the boxing ring for example there are nice choices but no customers really. I took out a real nice spinner there recently twice for 1200 bt short time. Take the time and go back a few pages there are many current reports.

[Member #4591]

All around the outskirts of Chiang Mai city there are new glorified body to body massage parlors opening. Some are called clubs, such as the Pretty Club for example and others actually classifying themselves as body to body massage.

The Pros and Cons:

The only pros are the girls who are prostitutes and all the rest are total cons.

They prey on a first time customer's naivety, the object being to extract a customer of thousands of bahts in the quickest time possible, a sort of blitzkrieg on the wallet.

This is how it works:

A gullible guy walks into the premises. The first site that hits him is wall to wall eye candy, the girls of his dreams, 10 out of 10's, all dressed provocatively enough to wet the appetite of a saint. These are the bait.

Next, the customer will be shown a menu. It's lists a range of the services offered. Usually starting at 1000 baht per hour for a no thrills Thai massage up to 1700 baht for a one hour body to body oil massage. Printed under each listed service are the words; THIS IS A NON-SEXUAL SERVICE.

If the guy agrees to the full 1 hour oil body to body massage for the flat fee of 1700 baht as listed on the menu, then the girls will demand that he pays the full amount upfront.

Once he has paid, the guy will be given a choice of a girl and she will lead him into the massage room. Now this is when the first great disappointment begins. Most of us are under the impression that a body-to-body oil massage will be done in the nude. Not so in this case. The girl will ask the guy to lie on the bed flat on his stomach. Then she will either just leave her shorts on or both her shorts and bra. She will continue by pouring a whole load of goop onto the guy's back and legs and then proceed to slide up and down the guy. The reason the girl will insist that the guy lays on his stomach is so that she has full control of the situation in case the guy begins getting too amorous before the bartering process begins.

Within 4 to 5 minutes the girl will prod the guy for his attention and ask what else he would like the girl to do for him? What this means is, that whatever service the guy wants over and above what's on the menu is an extra. In other words, the guy's interpretation of what is involved in the process of an oil body-to-body massage may cost him thousands, and I mean thousands of bahts more than the prices listed on the menu. If the guy is unable to afford the extras or declines the girl's offer, than they don't care because the parlour already has his 1700 baht. In many cases the guy may not even receive the full 1700 bahts 1 hours worth of time.

If in the event that a customer complains, the staff will quickly remind him that it is a non sexual service as described on the menu. Yes, the quoted non-sexual service part is there to cover they're own asses, so the customer has no legalities if he wishes to take his complaint further.

In these places the girls are the carrots to tempt the donkeys or should I say; *******es. You have been warned.I see this a completely different way than you. If the customer knows upfront it's a non sexual service, then the said customer should realize that extras will cost more. Full service for example. At this point, said customer should enquiry upfront with the potential lady he wishes to take, how much more full service will cost. Common sense in my mind.

[Arthur Tick]

I see this a completely different way than you. If the customer knows upfront it's a non sexual service, then the said customer should realize that extras will cost more. Full service for example. At this point, said customer should enquiry upfront with the potential lady he wishes to take, how much more full service will cost. Common sense in my mind.You are right but they are not always completely upfront with what's on offer. For example most including me would think that the definition a B2 B oil massage involves the girl being completely naked as standard practice then maybe FS would be the extra, as that's what it's should be all about. 3 years ago I visited the Pretty club, booked for a one hour B2 B massage. Was stunned when the girl demanded double the fee for her to undress but not until I was in there laying naked on the bed of course and then I was only given 40 minutes not the full hour that I had already paid for in advance. A total rip-off. Having no experience of that beforehand how would I have known that the B2 B so-called massage did not mean a real B2 B massage until I paid a lot more money. Obviously I know now from that experience and I'm passing this information on to others so they don't fall into the same trap or meaning, not taking anything for granted.

I go along with OliverKitsoff's comment, I am really interested in getting a short time fuck without all the BS, but if you don't mind paying thousands of bahts for quick sniffter with a bit of pussy or a quick fuck than fair dues to ya.

[Member #4591]

You are right but they are not always completely upfront with what's on offer. For example most including me would think that the definition a B2 B oil massage involves the girl being completely naked as standard practice then maybe FS would be the extra, as that's what it's should be all about. 3 years ago I visited the Pretty club, booked for a one hour B2 B massage. Was stunned when the girl demanded double the fee for her to undress but not until I was in there laying naked on the bed of course and then I was only given 40 minutes not the full hour that I had already paid for in advance. A total rip-off. Having no experience of that beforehand how would I have known that the B2 B so-called massage did not mean a real B2 B massage until I paid a lot more money. Obviously I know now from that experience and I'm passing this information on to others so they don't fall into the same trap or meaning, not taking anything for granted.

I go along with OliverKitsoff's comment, I am really interested in getting a short time fuck without all the BS, but if you don't mind paying thousands of bahts for quick sniffter with a bit of pussy or a quick fuck than fair dues to ya.So actually, what you have just said is you haven't learnt your lesson after at least 2 bad experiences. How difficult is it to understand? Negotiate price and services upfront before paying. If something changes in the room, get up, get dressed, and go down to demand your money back or choose a different girl whose willing. I'm sorry mate but these experiences were totally your fault. Anyways, thanks for sharing and helping the newbies to learn from your mistakes.

[Robert Long]

So actually, what you have just said is you haven't learnt your lesson after at least 2 bad experiences. How difficult is it to understand? Negotiate price and services upfront before paying. If something changes in the room, get up, get dressed, and go down to demand your money back or choose a different girl whose willing. I'm sorry mate but these experiences were totally your fault. Anyways, thanks for sharing and helping the newbies to learn from your mistakes.Dog is right on. The buyer has control, it's all about "The Golden Rule". He who has the gold makes the rules. Don't go in blind. Get the contract agreed to before entering into the deal. Be upfront, this is what I want, point blank. Then no surprises.

RL.

[Blake1]

To clarify, there are (or were, that was 2011,) two "lady houses" there which cater mainly to low income Thai clientele (tuk tuk drivers, etc.) but are open and friendly to farang. As I recall the prices were 500-650 baht for ST. The facilities are not what you might call high end, if you can't tolerate a cold shower and slum-level bedding, skip it. On the other hand, they're cheap, friendly, and can be fun if you want a change of pace from the fishbowls. Good luck, and happy mongering.One does still exist and the prices are 400 and 500 baht ST (includes girl, barfine and room! Depending on the lady, although some might try to get 600 baht if you are a first timer. I visit them about twice a month and have taken about 10 girls there. Some were very very pretty, very young and a little bit shy (with CBJ), although these girls do not stay there very long. One girl was sent back downstairs before the deed as she would only get naked and lie on the bed with no touching allowed. And I do have repeated business with a little girl named "La", not the cutest but a 5/6 out of 10 by my standards, slim, nice breasts, average face, but a great kisser, all positions allowed, and a nice BBBJCIM finish on every occasion. She's one of the 500 baht girls. I give her 600 because she's that great in bed!

The two papasan are very friendly, the oldest even speaks decent English and I've never felt unwelcome. He gave me his telephone number, so I can now check if La is available before I go.

The place is a little bit weird and I wasn't 100% confident on my first visit. But now the girls know me and call "Laaaaaa" when they see me come 555. It's also possible to go up with two girls, I was offered that possibility a few times.

Hope they will stay in business as it is one of a rare breed now in Chiangmai!

[Arthur Tick]

One does still exist and the prices are 400 and 500 baht ST (includes girl, barfine and room! Depending on the lady, although some might try to get 600 baht if you are a first timer. I visit them about twice a month and have taken about 10 girls there. Some were very very pretty, very young and a little bit shy (with CBJ), although these girls do not stay there very long. One girl was sent back downstairs before the deed as she would only get naked and lie on the bed with no touching allowed. And I do have repeated business with a little girl named "La", not the cutest but a 5/6 out of 10 by my standards, slim, nice breasts, average face, but a great kisser, all positions allowed, and a nice BBBJCIM finish on every occasion. She's one of the 500 baht girls. I give her 600 because she's that great in bed!

The two papasan are very friendly, the oldest even speaks decent English and I've never felt unwelcome. He gave me his telephone number, so I can now check if La is available before I go.

The place is a little bit weird and I wasn't 100% confident on my first visit. But now the girls know me and call "Laaaaaa" when they see me come 555. It's also possible to go up with two girls, I was offered that possibility a few times.

Hope they will stay in business as it is one of a rare breed now in Chiangmai!Could you give us the location please?

[Forever69]

One does still exist and the prices are 400 and 500 baht ST That one is a karaoke off Nimman the other I think is now the brick bar Soi 5 Nimman, closes around 6 pm! All described here in the forum before Mr T.

[Jay548]

One does still exist and the prices are 400 and 500 baht ST (includes girl, barfine and room! Depending on the lady, although some might try to get 600 baht if you are a first timer. I visit them about twice a month and have taken about 10 girls there. Some were very very pretty, very young and a little bit shy (with CBJ), although these girls do not stay there very long. One girl was sent back downstairs before the deed as she would only get naked and lie on the bed with no touching allowed. And I do have repeated business with a little girl named "La", not the cutest but a 5/6 out of 10 by my standards, slim, nice breasts, average face, but a great kisser, all positions allowed, and a nice BBBJCIM finish on every occasion. She's one of the 500 baht girls. I give her 600 because she's that great in bed!

The two papasan are very friendly, the oldest even speaks decent English and I've never felt unwelcome. He gave me his telephone number, so I can now check if La is available before I go.

The place is a little bit weird and I wasn't 100% confident on my first visit. But now the girls know me and call "Laaaaaa" when they see me come 555. It's also possible to go up with two girls, I was offered that possibility a few times.

Hope they will stay in business as it is one of a rare breed now in Chiangmai!I think this place is nearby my hotel on Nimman, but I'm not quite sure. Is it the building with the circular signage (that's blank) right above the entrance? It's only open during the daytime, it seems. Just walk right on in?

[Nuevo]

Hello Blake,

I live in Chiang Mai on Huay Kaew Rd. Just around the corner via Maya to Niemanheiman. I was told of this place, but the directions given were not usable. If you are willing to do so could you provide me directions to the brothel. It would probably be best to provide to location via a PM. Also, if you are close we could hook up for a couple of brews. My treat, of course. .

I look forward to hearing from you.


One does still exist and the prices are 400 and 500 baht ST (includes girl, barfine and room! Depending on the lady, although some might try to get 600 baht if you are a first timer. I visit them about twice a month and have taken about 10 girls there. Some were very very pretty, very young and a little bit shy (with CBJ), although these girls do not stay there very long. One girl was sent back downstairs before the deed as she would only get naked and lie on the bed with no touching allowed. And I do have repeated business with a little girl named "La", not the cutest but a 5/6 out of 10 by my standards, slim, nice breasts, average face, but a great kisser, all positions allowed, and a nice BBBJCIM finish on every occasion. She's one of the 500 baht girls. I give her 600 because she's that great in bed!

The two papasan are very friendly, the oldest even speaks decent English and I've never felt unwelcome. He gave me his telephone number, so I can now check if La is available before I go.

The place is a little bit weird and I wasn't 100% confident on my first visit. But now the girls know me and call "Laaaaaa" when they see me come 555. It's also possible to go up with two girls, I was offered that possibility a few times.

Hope they will stay in business as it is one of a rare breed now in Chiangmai!

[TimmyInCM]

Hello Blake,

I live in Chiang Mai on Huay Kaew Rd. Just around the corner via Maya to Niemanheiman. I was told of this place, but the directions given were not usable. If you are willing to do so could you provide me directions to the brothel. It would probably be best to provide to location via a PM. Also, if you are close we could hook up for a couple of brews. My treat, of course. .

I look forward to hearing from you.Hi Nuevo & Blake,

I've just moved to Chiang Mai and buy the sounds of it live very close to Neuvo (on Huay Kaew Rd, just past the canal road) and I'm also interested in checking out this brothel but can't seem to locate it either.

Timmy.

[Wolvenvacht]

Hello Blake,

I live in Chiang Mai on Huay Kaew Rd. Just around the corner via Maya to Niemanheiman. I was told of this place, but the directions given were not usable. If you are willing to do so could you provide me directions to the brothel. It would probably be best to provide to location via a PM. Also, if you are close we could hook up for a couple of brews. My treat, of course. .

I look forward to hearing from you.I thought the basic idea of ISG is to spread information around about good and bad places to monger? So giving directions by PM seems a bad idea.

[Forever69]

I thought the basic idea of ISG is to spread information around about good and bad places to monger? So giving directions by PM seems a bad idea.Look for B, I know it as Kanha karaoke.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=18.788505%2C98.9851&spn=0.014206%2C0.049197&hl=en&t=h&ctz=-420&vpsrc=6&msa=0&source=embed&ie=UTF8&mid=1rrZW1iCX5YN1DJtLDLhtSo58Ds0

The brick bar. Niman. Soi 5 - end near Sirimangkalajarn Road, very close to Maja daytime only.

[Nuevo]

Look for B, I know it as Kanha karaoke.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=18.788505%2C98.9851&spn=0.014206%2C0.049197&hl=en&t=h&ctz=-420&vpsrc=6&msa=0&source=embed&ie=UTF8&mid=1rrZW1iCX5YN1DJtLDLhtSo58Ds0

The brick bar. Niman. Soi 5 - end near Sirimangkalajarn Road, very close to Maja daytime only.I'll give it a look.

[Rick Rock]

So there are no BJ bars in Chiang Mai. Where do long term residents go if they want a quick no strings BBBJCIM?

[Wolvenvacht]

So there are no BJ bars in Chiang Mai. Where do long term residents go if they want a quick no strings BBBJCIM?If by "long term residents" you mean "Thai", I'm not too sure that BBBJCIM is something that is high on their list.

If one can believe the stories bargirls tell about Thai men, they are most conservative sexually. Much more than a quick fuck in missionary or doggy is not expected. Even in Bangkok, the BJ places are almost exclusively visited by farang.

[Rick Rock]

If by "long term residents" you mean "Thai", I'm not too sure that BBBJCIM is something that is high on their list.

If one can believe the stories bargirls tell about Thai men, they are most conservative sexually. Much more than a quick fuck in missionary or doggy is not expected. Even in Bangkok, the BJ places are almost exclusively visited by farang.I'm talking about farang. That's why I'm posting here on a website full of them, and in English.

[Wolvenvacht]

I'm talking about farang. That's why I'm posting here on a website full of them, and in English.I don't think there are enough long time farang residents in Chiang Mai to make it economically worthwhile to run a "BJ only" service.

[Arthur Tick]

I don't think there are enough long time farang residents in Chiang Mai to make it economically worthwhile to run a "BJ only" service.Going back 20 odd years, there were BJ services in Chiang Mai. If seeing a hairdresser's with all female staff and the shop window painted over black, was an indication that not only a blow dry but also a blow job was available. I tried many of those hairdressers and at the time a blow job cost no more than 200 baht, 100 baht in some places and all were young desirable girls.

Taking into consideration there were a lot less residential Farangs in the city 20 years ago than there are now, I don't accept that there are not enough customers to warrant the service and I believe it's the clampdowns that put a stop to this.

[Arthur Tick]

Over the last few years I have noticed there has been a discrete change of the staffing of women in the Chiang Mai massage parlors. It has now evolved into a 4 tier system.

1: Average massage parlors in and around town. Staffed by middle aged and old ladies.

2: Loi Kroh Road and close by areas low grade youngish women mostly geared up for quick happy endings some demanding up to 1200 baht for HJ excluding a so-called massage that can over and done within minutes.

3: Young more desirable girls that 7 years ago and before used to staff the average massage parlors as standard have now moved on to separate parlors sometimes calling themselves B2 B that can charge from 1500 baht up to 3000 baht for massage and HJ, and again can all be over and done with in minutes.

4: So-called soapy massage parlors where hardly anyone receives a massage, fast and furious mechanical service can charge from 1200 baht up to 3000 baht usually over in 40 minutes.

So if searching in and around town for massage parlors that are staffed by pretty girls you will be hard pushed to find any in the standard massage parlors. Big business has taken over and the women have been graded into categories according to age and looks, the higher the scale from 1 to 10 the more they charge.

The scene has really changed in Chiang Mai.

[Syzygies]

Look for B, I know it as Kanha karaoke.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=18.788505%2C98.9851&spn=0.014206%2C0.049197&hl=en&t=h&ctz=-420&vpsrc=6&msa=0&source=embed&ie=UTF8&mid=1rrZW1iCX5YN1DJtLDLhtSo58Ds0

The brick bar. Niman. Soi 5 - end near Sirimangkalajarn Road, very close to Maja daytime only.Interesting Map. Not sure why he has only Thai script for names of some places: Duean Phen (Full Moon) night club and also Dee Jai Karaoke.

Perhaps because his spelling is a bit off:
Loh Kroh should be Loi Kroh, of course. Kroh sounds like Crop without the P.
NimmanHeimann should be NimmanHaemin (sounds like Nim-Marn-Hey-Min). He must be German to use Heimann (not very close). LOL. I imagine shortening to Nimmarn would be adequate.
Correct vowel sounds are very important in Thai (not in English).

[Forever69]

Is there any sign of nightlife entertainment in Chiang mai?

[Mickthemanus]

Is there any sign of nightlife entertainment in Chiang mai?Yes there is. The places in the Loi Kroh Road are open but music is off or on low volume. I visited two "soapy massage" parlors. First the Celeb and there were some, not many but some, nice looking girls there. I was in a hurry and didn't check the "models" but opted for a standard girl. The day after I went to the Sayuri Complex. OMG. Way more girls and the high end girls there are truly high end. Amazingly beautiful and very nice in the room.

Mick

[Zeus9]

I was in just yesterday and it was very busy on a Tuesday at 2 pm. Not a lot of girls when I first walked in, but several started showing up. There were probably 20 punters on the couches weighing their options. Looked like all locals. There were maybe 20 girls there at first, but the numbers were going up by the time I left. I grabbed a girl for 1500. I forget how the numbers work there, but she didn't provide massage or slide. She told me that she had just come up from Bangkok because she didn't have enough customers there over the last 2 weeks. We all know why. Apparently the sallies in Chiang Mai haven't been affected as much. She said a lot of girls have come up also to work temporarily. So that's probably the reason for the increase in numbers and quality that was reported a few days back.

The service from my Issan girl was slightly above average. She wasn't into DFK, but loved DATY. She wasn't mechanical either. Decent enough GFE. She offered two pops, but I didn't go for it. She said "you no like me", 555! She was really pretty, but once the dress came off there was some baby damage. A little bit of stretch marks, and a baby zipper. She said she was 28. For 1500, I wasn't disappointed. On the way out there about 7 models hat weren't there before. They all looked really stunning! I should have stopped to ask the pricing. I'm going to make another trip to find out.

[Dash77]

One does still exist and the prices are 400 and 500 baht ST (includes girl, barfine and room! Depending on the lady, although some might try to get 600 baht if you are a first timer. I visit them about twice a month and have taken about 10 girls there. Some were very very pretty, very young and a little bit shy (with CBJ), although these girls do not stay there very long. One girl was sent back downstairs before the deed as she would only get naked and lie on the bed with no touching allowed. And I do have repeated business with a little girl named "La", not the cutest but a 5/6 out of 10 by my standards, slim, nice breasts, average face, but a great kisser, all positions allowed, and a nice BBBJCIM finish on every occasion. She's one of the 500 baht girls. I give her 600 because she's that great in bed!

The two papasan are very friendly, the oldest even speaks decent English and I've never felt unwelcome. He gave me his telephone number, so I can now check if La is available before I go.

The place is a little bit weird and I wasn't 100% confident on my first visit. But now the girls know me and call "Laaaaaa" when they see me come 555. It's also possible to go up with two girls, I was offered that possibility a few times.

Hope they will stay in business as it is one of a rare breed now in Chiangmai!Took a stroll up here today as was in the mood for some cheap and seedy fun.

Went into what I assume is the place. White frontage with black circle and no other signs.

The whole place fell silent when I walked in and people seemed to shocked that I had walked in. There were a number of girls sat about but none paid me any attention whatsoever. Tried to speak to the girl behind the bar who knew zero english and by the looks of it there was no one there at all who knew any English.

Didn't really find the place at all welcoming, maybe I caught it on a bad day and to be fair I know only very basic Thai.

[Arthur Tick]

Took a stroll up here today as was in the mood for some cheap and seedy fun.

Went into what I assume is the place. White frontage with black circle and no other signs.

The whole place fell silent when I walked in and people seemed to shocked that I had walked in. There were a number of girls sat about but none paid me any attention whatsoever. Tried to speak to the girl behind the bar who knew zero english and by the looks of it there was no one there at all who knew any English.

Didn't really find the place at all welcoming, maybe I caught it on a bad day and to be fair I know only very basic Thai.About 6 years ago I visited one of these places in Chiang Mai with an American friend, can't remember which one it was now.

I do speak reasonable Thai and yet the moment my friend and I walked in there the staff and the only 2 available girls stared at us as if we just arrived from the planet Mercury.

I chose a girl, it was dirt cheap only 300 baht. Was taken to a room on the fourth floor of a nearby building that looked like it was going to be a block of apartments but was never completed. As I walked into the room the floor was covered with unused and used condoms, like it hadn't been cleaned for weeks. Girl got on the bed, would only take her undies off, all the rest stayed on. I undressed, jumped on the bed next to the girl and the first thing that struck me was that the bed stunk of cats p*ss. The girl just laid there with no expression on her face, opened her legs ready for the fuck but no kissing and no other touching allowed, she just pushed me away.

After a couple of minutes I was almost throwing up from the rancid stench of cats p*ss I had to stop was feeling physically sick, got off the bed, got dressed, paid the girl and left. When I arrived home I could smell the strong odour of the cats p*ss on my body and remember spending 40 minutes under the shower to get rid of the smell.

That was the first and last time I visited those places and never again.

[Syzygies]

About 6 years ago I visited one of these places in Chiang Mai with an American friend, can't remember which one it was now.

I do speak reasonable Thai and yet the moment my friend and I walked in there the staff and the only 2 available girls stared at us as if we just arrived from the planet Mercury.

I chose a girl, it was dirt cheap only 300 baht. Was taken to a room on the fourth floor of a nearby building that looked like it was going to be a block of apartments but was never completed. As I walked into the room the floor was covered with unused and used condoms, like it hadn't been cleaned for weeks. Girl got on the bed, would only take her undies off, all the rest stayed on. I undressed, jumped on the bed next to the girl and the first thing that struck me was that the bed stunk of cats p*ss. The girl just laid there with no expression on her face, opened her legs ready for the fuck but no kissing and no other touching allowed, she just pushed me away.

After a couple of minutes I was almost throwing up from the rancid stench of cats p*ss I had to stop was feeling physically sick, got off the bed, got dressed, paid the girl and left. When I arrived home I could smell the strong odour of the cats p*ss on my body and remember spending 40 minutes under the shower to get rid of the smell.

That was the first and last time I visited those places and never again.Even though a somewhat negative report, I enjoyed immensely. Shows that you get what you pay for, and really we need to stay away from the lowest class stuff.

Very amusing.

When I first came to Thailand for mongering 25 years ago. I had a buddy who was Khee Niaow Mak Maak (super stingy) and he always had tales of looking for super cheap girls in Chiang Mai for 50 baht to 100 Baht, and I could never understand why he needed the cheapest possible, and how it was so thrilling.

[Arthur Tick]

Even though a somewhat negative report, I enjoyed immensely. Shows that you get what you pay for, and really we need to stay away from the lowest class stuff.

Very amusing.

When I first came to Thailand for mongering 25 years ago. I had a buddy who was Khee Niaow Mak Maak (super stingy) and he always had tales of looking for super cheap girls in Chiang Mai for 50 baht to 100 Baht, and I could never understand why he needed the cheapest possible, and how it was so thrilling.I was also here 25 years plus ago and during those times it was a completely different scene in Chiang Mai. It was possible to pull a piece of Asian street meat for 50 baht and some of those girls had motorbikes and would pull up besides Farangs walking in the street and offer themselves to them. But it was high risk, many of my then Farang acquaintances died of AIDs as did many of those street girls. In fact the AIDS problem became such a big epidemic that they were dropping like flies and another reason why I would not go with a street girl, especially the ladyboys, it is well known that a high percentage of them are HIV positive, but anyway LBs have never been my thing. The SpotLite girls were 400 baht ST back then, bar fine about 200 baht, plus there were takeaway girls available all over the city, even what became the Computer Plaza started out as a brothel.

Good times, fond memories.

[JohnSue]

Further to my post of about three years ago, the run down agogo's in the sub-Soi very near the clock tower all appear to have closed. Some of the beer bars were still going, and some had ladies in.

JS.

[FunMan13]

I was in Chiang Mai for the Yi Peng / Loi Krathong festival from Nov. 13 to 17. I went to Celeb MP twice. The prices posted are still good. On the first night, I went around 10:30 PM. There was only one 1700 bt girl who was quite chubby. I chose an early 30's 1400 bt girl who was quite slim and pretty. I got the standard drill and was happy with the experience.

Two nights later I returned around 8 PM. The lineup was a bit better. I chose a 1700 bt girl. The service was similar to the previous girl. The only difference was the ages of the girls. Happy mongering.

Funman13.

[Oliver Kitsoff]

I'm sure they don't otherwise we would see much more FLs roaming the streets and "normal" bars.

What you want is now taking place on various social media: ThaiFriendly, Date-in-Asia, Line and the like. Make contact there and then meet in a normal bar.It's not really the prerogative of the girls, they are not raised to think outside the box, ANY box, here.

There is also the inherent danger for a SW in a 'smaller' town like CM, where women are not on the sidewalks as much after dark as they are in downtown capital city asia. And of course the small handful of nice bars and hotels in CM would soon recognise the girls faces, and drive them out onto the street again.

Once the app (NOT smooci which is an escort front-end only) is created to allow freelancers to connect, it will be a game changer.

All the apps you mention are not designed for the sex industry, and they are hit and miss, as Arthur Tick described.

The problem I face with 'dating' sites, apart from the fact that I am not a holidaymaker looking for a 'guide' (another ruse, where, yes, they will take you around on their motosai, and hope to be the very well rewarded guide-with-benefits) is that my Mea has single friends on there, who would bust me if they saw my smiling horny face on Thai-whatever.

If the right app was there, the girls would certainly use it, instead of showing up at a bar night after night, taking pot-luck with drunk punters, and pickling their own livers, as the peer pressure to drink, and smoke is strong.

They spend their lives on their phones, an app makes perfect sense. If I was a millennial bar girl I know which option I would choose.

[Oliver Kitsoff]

I actually made that map quite some time ago, it was in response to the specific question many guys have when trying to find the two cheap brothels on that road that have been referenced many times in the CM forum but are a bit of a pain to find. The context was clearly referenced in the original post.

To clarify, there are (or were, that was 2011,) two "lady houses" there which cater mainly to low income Thai clientele (tuk tuk drivers, etc.) but are open and friendly to farang. As I recall the prices were 500-650 baht for ST. The facilities are not what you might call high end, if you can't tolerate a cold shower and slum-level bedding, skip it. On the other hand, they're cheap, friendly, and can be fun if you want a change of pace from the fishbowls. Good luck, and happy mongering.Thanks for the reply, I did not see the map in the original context of its post, someone had 'quoted' it without the post. I'm not the type who goes for the 'truck stop' low end girls.

I am very much into the FL / SW scene. But I am picky with SW, fortunately, in BKK and other asian big cities, quality can be found on the sidewalks, whether they are heading to or from a bar, or just moonlighting, as most of the FL at Sukhumvit Soi 7 Beergarden do.

In CM this year, 2016, I do recall seeing glamorous FL's lounging on, or in, tuk tuks near Duangtawan and Le Meridien Hotel fronts. This was some months ago and they seem to have gone. However, I also read Arthur Ticks post about police entrapment, and wonder if these were that set up? They seemed a bit incongruent, looking really nice in party frocks and the like, think AV idol style, chatting with scummy looking tuk tuk driver / pimp / cops?

[Syzygies]

They spend their lives on their phones, an app makes perfect sense. If I was a millennial bar girl I know which option I would choose.We already have We Chat App as example.

For the bar scene, an App replacement is just not going to work. The whole point of being in a bar, is to watch several girls concurrently, scantily clad, if clad at all, and decide if 1 in 40 appeals. Following that, call girl over for a chat, touch her, decide if she still really appeals or if the chemistry is not right, and then try another one.

How to replace all this with an App? Are we going to see the girls dancing naked on the App unshopped, and get to have a conversation with them? Why would be want to see girls in virtual if we can be in with them for real?

A major point for a massage shop is that small rooms are provided to fuck in. Without those there could be a large shortage of ST Hotel rooms.

An App has to make something simpler, quicker, easier, more reliable, and cheaper, and to be successful right? It is not so easy to achieve all those things. So have to find the right niche.

[Arthur Tick]

We already have We Chat App as example.

For the bar scene, an App replacement is just not going to work. The whole point of being in a bar, is to watch several girls concurrently, scantily clad, if clad at all, and decide if 1 in 40 appeals. Following that, call girl over for a chat, touch her, decide if she still really appeals or if the chemistry is not right, and then try another one.

How to replace all this with an App? Are we going to see the girls dancing naked on the App unshopped, and get to have a conversation with them? Why would be want to see girls in virtual if we can be in with them for real?

A major point for a massage shop is that small rooms are provided to fuck in. Without those there could be a large shortage of ST Hotel rooms.

An App has to make something simpler, quicker, easier, more reliable, and cheaper, and to be successful right? It is not so easy to achieve all those things. So have to find the right niche.In normal circumstances I would agree with you but we are dealing with the Chiang Mai scene here and want to make clear I go along with everything Oliver says; he makes a lot of sense, but there are too many complications involved.

Bar venues with scantily clad or completely naked desirable girls are limited in Chiang Mai, in fact I don't think there are any at all, except for the handful of bars in the Loi Kroh Road which in my opinion the women are the bitter end and it's all extremely tame. The 3 main bars, Foxy Lady, Spotlight and the Star Six, that these days never have naked girls on display or in shows, are total rip-offs and still very tame compared with the bar scene in Bangkok and Pattaya. If anyone knows of any bars or other places in Chiang Mai that has desirable scantily clad or naked girls up for grabs, then PM me and as a Christmas present I will meet you there and pay for the whole evening.

Smooci is just a fast track escort booking system that probably operates with the blessings of the police and is irrelevant to this thread because like so many of these services, not available in Chiang Mai, so it's pointless even mentioning it.

An app system does operate in Chiang Mai but these are strictly Thai orientated mostly used by what are known as sideliner girls. The reason I believe women are not using this method in Chiang Mai for the service of Farangs is because they fear the police will clamp down and arrest them for openly offering sexual services either by app or online. This is because they would be operating outside the scope of the big business escort agencies that are run by gangs and the police behind the scenes, or in other words, the competition would be bad for business. I guarantee that if someone created an app service with available girls for sex, all would be arrested and shut down within 6 months. Similar has taken place in Colombo, Sri Lanka, whereas so called high class prostitutes are allowed to operate in the big 5 star hotels, but the cheap backstreet brothels were all raided and shut down by the police.

Regarding the dating sites, I again agree with Oliver. For the guys who are already in relationships don't particularly want their details and photos online for the whole world to see. Also pulling women on those sites is pot luck, could end up taking weeks to get a fuck from one of those women or not at all or maybe lucky and score first time, it's like a lottery and certainly not ideal. There are freelancer sites online, Backpage and craigslist, but Backpage does not cover Chiang Mai and the Chiang Mai section of criagslist is less than useless.

This takes us back to square one, that the Chiang Mai monger and commercial sex scene is extremely disappointing and seems unlikely to change in the foreseeable future.

[Arthur Tick]

On New Year's eve met up with a friend in town and decided to have a few drinks, see in the New Year together and get a couple of girls to round off the night. I haven't seen this friend for 7 years and during that period we had a wow of a time in Chiang Mai New Years Eve 2009, bargirls literally throwing themselves at us. I thought this being new years eve there should be no problems in obtaining available girls considering the large numbers of tourists visiting for the occasion, I really believed they would be out in force.

Last night we first visited a bar in LK. It was crowded with mostly young couples and back packers, blaring loud music, couldn't hear ourselves think, no seats available, it was a crush standing inside and only a very girls were there that seemed to be hired by a beer company to promote the sales of beer. After one drink in there, had enough. All the bars seemed to be the same, young couples, back packers and very few girls.

Then at about 9. 45 pm we visited the Star Six bar. Business is now so bad that customers have no need to pay an entrance fee anymore; they can just walk directly into the bar. We went in and I was shocked. Appears the bar has been made smaller, still has the stage at the centre but only a little space around that with a few stools. There were 2 girls prancing around on stage and only 2 girls sitting in the bar area. No customers, not one, only me and my friend. Then literally within seconds of us sitting down the 2 girls pounced on us and then the 2 girls who were on stage joined us. An hour later 5 Chinese looking men walked in and a lone Australian guy I got chatting with and that was about it. Unlike back in the old days these girls were fully dressed, one even wearing a jacket saying she felt cold. We had a couple of drinks and felt obliged to buy the girls drinks; it was a hustle by those girls. They had 1 girl do a shower show on the stage but she was fully dressed, way too tame and I commented on that, more or less saying; this is crap. I asked one girl who targeted me; how much to go out short time? She quoted me, 2500 baht for short time plus 600 baht bar fine. I told her to forget it. Then she dropped to 2000 baht plus 600 baht bar fine. I still said; too much but she refused to budge on her price. I would have been willing to pay 1500 baht plus the 600 baht bar fine for short time. So I left it. While there had a chat with the mamasan. She told me that business is so slack that she doesn't know for how much longer the bar can remain open. This is now typical of the few remaining bars in the Loi Kroh Road and surrounding area.

Then at midnight we stood near the Tapae Gate for the countdown to 2017. Hundreds of tourists almost climbing over each other in a tightly packed area launching the balloons. After that was completed it was like someone had fired a starting pistol for everything to close. Instantly the shutters on the bars, massage parlors and restaurants began to come down. With still hundreds of tourists milling about they all began to disperse. The very few bars that did remain open were again packed to the hilt with young tourists but still very few girls.

About 12.20 am my friend and I decided there was no point in hanging around and we went our separate ways. I went for a Burger King and after that walked around looking for some action, but by then most of it was closed, no street girls, even the Spotlight and Spicy were closed. It seemed some bars were only open for privileged customers but to all the rest the doors were closed. Most of what I saw was a few freaky, creepy looking ladyboys standing in the shadows looking for business. So I gave up and went home. Celebrating the new year in town was really about going out drinking with a bunch of mates, definitely not much in the mongering department available and I certainly won't be bothering to do the same next year.

[Jktnoobie]

Celeb at CNX massage. This place is on Charoen Prathet Rd opp the the Soi 6 junction or opp and a bit south of Pornping Hotel. Fishbowl girls (1600 b) and sideline girls (1800 b). I took a pretty sideline girl and I guess she was one of the stars since the service was quite perfunctory.

Bar next to Celeb at CNX– can't remember the name of the bar but there were 8-9 very pretty hostesses here. They don't barfine and are just there to chat and drink with customers. 2-3 of them spoke some English. Beers and lady drinks were cheap and the girls were never pushy about ordering more drinks. Good music, good place to chill.

Foxy Lady gogo. This is on Tha Phae Soi 1, opp the Dusit D2 Hotel. Music as turned way down because TH was still in mourning. Girls were dancing in their bikinis. Maybe 2 pretty ones.

Bar complex / boxing ring. On the left of Loi Kroh as you walk towards the old city, near the junction of Kampangdin Rd. Manage to pick up a pretty one at a bar next to the StarSix gogo. I think the barfine was 500 b and LT was 2500 b. There are also a few pretty ones in the bars near the boxing ring but I suspect their job is just to pull in the punters and they don't barfine. Bought drinks for pretty girls at 2 different bars but when I asked about LT / ST they claimed they could not go with customer that night. The bars were empty on most nights but were packed with Chinese tourists on Friday night.

StarSix gogo– this is next to the bar complex / boxing ring. Girls were dancing in their bikinis. 3-4 pretty ones but the guys I was with quickly grabbed them.

Get a hotel near the Loi Kroh Rd / Chang Klan Rd junction and you will be within walking distance to all the above attractions. Email the hotel about their guest policy before you book. Many hotels I contacted charged a 500 b-800 b joiner fee.

[Crocodilexp]

A few years ago (around 2012), there used to be several low-end Thai oriented brothels in the small street between Neimmanhemenda Soi 13 and 15 or thereabouts. Very low key, 400-600 baht service, open in the daytime. Foreigners OK, but speaking Thai was useful, since we weren't their target market. Does anything remain of those?

Are there any similar places in Chiang Mai these days, either in Neimann area or elsewhere?

[Channy]

A few years ago (around 2012), there used to be several low-end Thai oriented brothels in the small street between Neimmanhemenda Soi 13 and 15 or thereabouts. Very low key, 400-600 baht service, open in the daytime. Foreigners OK, but speaking Thai was useful, since we weren't their target market. Does anything remain of those?

Are there any similar places in Chiang Mai these days, either in Neimann area or elsewhere?Good question Crocodile.

Especially since, we have one in this forum claiming all the low end brothels in North and north east has been closed by yellow shirt.

Not sure Arthur tick can answer, since he told us in one his November post he hasn t been to low end places since 6 years and has no intention to come back.

So maybe you will have to investigate again Crocodile. Or follow others northern road, who knows.

[Arthur Tick]

A few years ago (around 2012), there used to be several low-end Thai oriented brothels in the small street between Neimmanhemenda Soi 13 and 15 or thereabouts. Very low key, 400-600 baht service, open in the daytime. Foreigners OK, but speaking Thai was useful, since we weren't their target market. Does anything remain of those?

Are there any similar places in Chiang Mai these days, either in Neimann area or elsewhere?I have a big problem on these forums, that is I can only come across as negative because regarding the Chiang Mai commercial monger scene there is nothing positive to mention, so all I can do is apologise for that.

What you are referring to is what we used to call, the bored housewives club. They were 3 daytime brothels all next to each other. They were great, there used to be a whole group of us meet there on regular occasions. 60 baht for a large bottle of Chang beer and 300 baht for a girl, no hurried service. Sometimes I would take 2 girls when I was feeling particularly randy. The place was a complete dump, filthy and rough but we loved it and had the times of our lives there. I can remember after we finished in the huts with the girls us lads would compare together how well the girls performed. It still puts a smile on my face when I think back about those times.

But sadly those lady houses have long gone. At one time a karaoke bar opened in it's place, but think that's gone now as well and later another cheap brothel opened just a ways down in the location but believe that was levelled a couple of years a go. There is I believe still 1 cheap and nasty brothel left in Chiang Mai, somewhere around the back of the Neimann area. Go into Google search and type in Chiang Mai Locator. Then click on male entertainment in Chiang Mai. Details of the brothel are listed on there. But I have heard reports that this place is not Farang friendly, so it's really just a case of visiting and see how things work out.

[Arthur Tick]

I went into the male entertainment section of the Chiang Mai Locator website to see what was available.

I found the Anime Kawaii Shop and decided to give it a try. I went there and considered it as being the best of the worst. Details given on; CML are:

Anime Kawaii Shop is the place for gentlemen in search of a good massage by pretty girls with the possibility of a sensual twist.

Anime Kawaii Shop is one of the few places in town where you can get a proper Japanese body scrub (Akasuri). Anime does not provide body-to-body massage nor full sexual services. (Anime Kawaii shop was previously name Oshin Massage and Anime Massage.) Open from 10.30 to 24.00 daily.

They have various menus and I went for the 30 minute body scrub and 60 oil massage, combined cost, 600 baht, so not bad I thought.

My experience there and have visited 3 times now.

They have a good selection of girls and let you choose. Most are very young.

I choose a girl and she led me into the body scrub room, which is basically just a plain old shower room and a bed covered with a plastic waterproof sheet in the centre of the room. You strip off, lay on the bed, but unfortunately the girl keeps her clothes on during the whole process. She then fills a plastic dustbin with warm warmer from a shower spray hose. Then she takes a plastic type saucepan and pours water over you from the bin, followed by her using an old cloth with a type of scouring powder on the cloth and rubs it over your body, followed by more water, followed by more scrubbing and this process goes on for 30 minutes.

After the body scrub you dry off with a towel and the girl takes you upstairs to a massage room. You strip off and lie down on a floor mattress. Then the oil massage begins. Later the girl gives 2 options. A HJ for an extra 500 baht or a HJ with the girl naked for an extra 1000 baht, which mean the full monty will set you back 1600 baht. I always choose the girl naked option, couldn't resist it. But even when the girl is naked it's still very inhibited; touch her tits OK but no feely feely ass or pussy and FS a definite no, no. Also don't expect a proper professional massage, it's really just a relax rub over with hands. After the deed was done, paid the girl her 1000 baht so-called tip then paid the 600 baht menu service at the counter, said my goodbyes and went on my merry way.

The shop it's self is a dump that is counteracted by the girls being young and pretty. What I did like is that the prices are set from the start, no haggling, you know what you're getting and for how much, but in actually this is by no means a brothel, only a glorified HJ parlour.

Route description: Just across from the YMCA. From the north-western corner of the moat, take Hussadhisawee Road up north and take the first soi on the left, which is Sermsuk road. Take the second soi on the right and curve with it until you see the YMCA on your left. The shop is just a few steps down the road on the right. If not sure check it out on Google Street view or look on Chiang Mai Locator.

[Channy]

I have a big problem on these forums, that is I can only come across as negative because regarding the Chiang Mai commercial monger scene there is nothing positive to mention, so all I can do is apologise for that.

What you are referring to is what we used to call, the bored housewives club. They were 3 daytime brothels all next to each other. They were great, there used to be a whole group of us meet there on regular occasions. 60 baht for a large bottle of Chang beer and 300 baht for a girl, no hurried service. Sometimes I would take 2 girls when I was feeling particularly randy. The place was a complete dump, filthy and rough but we loved it and had the times of our lives there. I can remember after we finished in the huts with the girls us lads would compare together how well the girls performed. It still puts a smile on my face when I think back about those times.

But sadly those lady houses have long gone. At one time a karaoke bar opened in it's place, but think that's gone now as well and later another cheap brothel opened just a ways down in the location but believe that was levelled a couple of years a go. There is I believe still 1 cheap and nasty brothel left in Chiang Mai, somewhere around the back of the Neimann area. Go into Google search and type in Chiang Mai Locator. Then click on male entertainment in Chiang Mai. Details of the brothel are listed on there. But I have heard reports that this place is not Farang friendly, so it's really just a case of visiting and see how things work out.Well if I follow the link you give us, this closure is not so old and due to building project. Nothing to do with yellow shirt VS red shirt theory.

Maybe like in others towns, these places has been simply relocated somewhere else in Chiang Mai.

#Not farang friendly# I always this expression based on what? I don t know. In 18 years I've never meet a local brothel not farang friendly. But massage parlor (like Japanese only) yes. Of course in local brothels if you come everyday and never take any girls, the papasan or the mamasan will be irritated. , if like some trolls you claimed your money back because the girl doesn't filled your expectations don t be surprised if they showed you a machete or a baton.

Poor CrocodileXP he will have to explore again Chiang Mai in the search of eventual low end brothels. Or maybe explored others northern roads?

[Arthur Tick]

Last night I read an online blog that described the Thai dek sideline scene. Delved into it more and discovered there is a whole monger parallel universe out there.

There are Thai sites that for a small joining fee give access to hundreds of the real beautiful young Chiang Mai girls advertising their services and there are also hundreds of these girls openly advertising on facebook. Mostly students wanting to earn money for their education or just young girls wanting money to buy their Iphones and fancy goods the easy way. They are well organised using cell phone numbers and ID Line for contact. The going rates are 2000 baht, but considering what it can cost to visit a soapy massage or a no FS B2 B massage and then keeping in mind the amount 2 hours with an escort can cost I think that's a bargain for an 18,19 or 20 year old. These girls you won't find working in a bar or massage parlors.

There are youngish women advertising on dating sites for older Farang men, the most famous being Thai Friendly, but of course these are only going to be the small minority that can read, write and understand some basic English whereas the majority of dek sideline girls will not speak, read and write English language, plus most of the these young women on dating sites will be looking for mugs to sponsor them long term and rarely do they go short time except for silly sums of money. What this amounts to is that we may share the same spaces but are living in totally different worlds and in their world they are running a full blown operation for available young Thai pussy. Besides not being English speakers I also believe these dek line girls are reluctant to cater for Farangs because it would bring too much attention and although is on a vast scale the Thais prefer to keep it discretely among themselves without the involvement of foreigners. It has made me realise that most of the Thai women available to Farangs are mainly the dross or if the women are highly desirable it's going to cost a lot more than 2000 baht.

Copy and paste this: เ3604;3655;3585;3652;3595;3604;3660;3652;3621;3609;3660; into Google search both in the all and images section and this world will open up to you. But what frustrates me is that unless a Farang can speak, read and write fluently in Thai then are no ways to enter into their world. What this means is that in Chiang Mai the commercial sex scene for Farangs is virtually stagnant yet for Thais it is booming so we as foreigners are losing out and not enjoying the real adult sex scene that Chiang Mai has to offer.

[Ralph Kramden]

Last night I read an online blog that described the Thai dek sideline scene. Delved into it more and discovered there is a whole monger parallel universe out there.

There are Thai sites that for a small joining fee give access to hundreds of the real beautiful young Chiang Mai girls advertising their services and there are also hundreds of these girls openly advertising on facebook. Mostly students wanting to earn money for their education or just young girls wanting money to buy their Iphones and fancy goods the easy way. They are well organised using cell phone numbers and ID Line for contact. The going rates are 2000 baht, but considering what it can cost to visit a soapy massage or a no FS B2 B massage and then keeping in mind the amount 2 hours with an escort can cost I think that's a bargain for an 18,19 or 20 year old. These girls you won't find working in a bar or massage parlors.

There are youngish women advertising on dating sites for older Farang men, the most famous being Thai Friendly, but of course these are only going to be the small minority that can read, write and understand some basic English whereas the majority of dek sideline girls will not speak, read and write English language, plus most of the these young women on dating sites will be looking for mugs to sponsor them long term and rarely do they go short time except for silly sums of money. What this amounts to is that we may share the same spaces but are living in totally different worlds and in their world they are running a full blown operation for available young Thai pussy. Besides not being English speakers I also believe these dek line girls are reluctant to cater for Farangs because it would bring too much attention and although is on a vast scale the Thais prefer to keep it discretely among themselves without the involvement of foreigners. It has made me realise that most of the Thai women available to Farangs are mainly the dross or if the women are highly desirable it's going to cost a lot more than 2000 baht.

Copy and paste this: เ3604;3655;3585;3652;3595;3604;3660;3652;3621;3609;3660; into Google search both in the all and images section and this world will open up to you. But what frustrates me is that unless a Farang can speak, read and write fluently in Thai then are no ways to enter into their world. What this means is that in Chiang Mai the commercial sex scene for Farangs is virtually stagnant yet for Thais it is booming so we as foreigners are losing out and not enjoying the real adult sex scene that Chiang Mai has to offer.It could well be that the Chiang Mai girls you describe are not all that interested in having a farang screw the hell out of her all night long when short time with a short stick fills the bill.

[Arthur Tick]

It could well be that the Chiang Mai girls you describe are not all that interested in having a farang screw the hell out of her all night long when short time with a short stick fills the bill.Preferences don't fall into this, it's all about money and they all have their price.

The crux of the matter is; it's not the price but whatever the amount is; can we get value for money? A mate hired a Thai escort for 2 hours in Bangkok. She demanded 5000 baht for turning up and another 7000 baht for FS upfront. My mate said she was charming and sexy at first, then after he paid the money and got down to do the deed, she just laid there like a dummy, totally inhibited and went stone cold. She kept prompting him to hurry up and get it over with. After 10 minutes it became so boring that he couldn't perform and she had to finish him with a HJ. It was all over in 20 minutes flat. 12000 baht that cost him and he told me that was the biggest anti climax of his whole life.

[Forever69]

Preferences don't fall into this, it's all about money and they all have their price.

Why don't you Just move to pattaya? Still good full service there for 600 the way I think you want it. Chiang Mai isn't for you obviously since it is a place where most can find a girlfriend easily but not much on the street aside from a few ladyboys apparently. No need to reiterate endlessly about some good ole times. Or learn the thai language and use the dek sideliners you describe, or maybe hire a thai girl / boy to book them for you.

[Arthur Tick]

Why don't you Just move to pattaya? Still good full service there for 600 the way I think you want it. Chiang Mai isn't for you obviously since it is a place where most can find a girlfriend easily but not much on the street aside from a few ladyboys apparently. No need to reiterate endlessly about some good ole times. Or learn the thai language and use the dek sideliners you describe, or maybe hire a thai girl / boy to book them for you.I go to Bangkok for 2 weeks once every 3 months. I choose some girls on Thai Friendly and arrange to meet them there. Not as cheap as you think, but I do get what I pay for. As for reiterating about the good old days, I am simply giving comparisons to how CM used to be in the past and how it is today and considering this is the Chiang Mai section of the ISG; what else would you prefer to read on this thread?

[SirWilliam4]

I go to Bangkok for 2 weeks once every 3 months. I choose some girls on Thai Friendly and arrange to meet them there. Not as cheap as you think, but I do get what I pay for. As for reiterating about the good old days, I am simply giving comparisons to how CM used to be in the past and how it is today and considering this is the Chiang Mai section of the ISG; what else would you prefer to read on this thread?I get your point about the past. Now, having made that point, let's move on. So what if the past was better? We don't live in the past; we live in the present.

So, I (and I am sure many others as well) would be pleased to see you focusing your comments on "what is" today, and not "what was" yesterday.

SW4.

[Member #4591]

Last night I read an online blog that described the Thai dek sideline scene. Delved into it more and discovered there is a whole monger parallel universe out there.

There are Thai sites that for a small joining fee give access to hundreds of the real beautiful young Chiang Mai girls advertising their services and there are also hundreds of these girls openly advertising on facebook. Mostly students wanting to earn money for their education or just young girls wanting money to buy their Iphones and fancy goods the easy way. They are well organised using cell phone numbers and ID Line for contact. The going rates are 2000 baht, but considering what it can cost to visit a soapy massage or a no FS B2 B massage and then keeping in mind the amount 2 hours with an escort can cost I think that's a bargain for an 18,19 or 20 year old. These girls you won't find working in a bar or massage parlors.

There are youngish women advertising on dating sites for older Farang men, the most famous being Thai Friendly, but of course these are only going to be the small minority that can read, write and understand some basic English whereas the majority of dek sideline girls will not speak, read and write English language, plus most of the these young women on dating sites will be looking for mugs to sponsor them long term and rarely do they go short time except for silly sums of money. What this amounts to is that we may share the same spaces but are living in totally different worlds and in their world they are running a full blown operation for available young Thai pussy. Besides not being English speakers I also believe these dek line girls are reluctant to cater for Farangs because it would bring too much attention and although is on a vast scale the Thais prefer to keep it discretely among themselves without the involvement of foreigners. It has made me realise that most of the Thai women available to Farangs are mainly the dross or if the women are highly desirable it's going to cost a lot more than 2000 baht. By the way, my Thai is limited.

into Google search both in the all and images section and this world will open up to you. But what frustrates me is that unless a Farang can speak, read and write fluently in Thai then are no ways to enter into their world. What this means is that in Chiang Mai the commercial sex scene for Farangs is virtually stagnant yet for Thais it is booming so we as foreigners are losing out and not enjoying the real adult sex scene that Chiang Mai has to offer.I reported on this many times in the Bangkok thread. By the way, they are not Dek sideline girls. This is just the name of one web site. I have had many sessions and can tell you the best way to get started.

Believe it or not, most of the girls have a handler who books their customers for them. They will work out of a rented room if they are alone or a shared apartment with other working ladies. They mostly don't do out calls and the line accounts they use in their ads are often programmed with automatic replies. 80% are actually well organized prostitution rings so it takes a lot of weeding out to find the true sideline girls working independently to put themselves through school. Most of your observations are incorrect, so if you want the real story, feel free to PM or read my post in the Bangkok thread.

This is not a new discovery to say the least.

[Arthur Tick]

I reported on this many times in the Bangkok thread. By the way, they are not Dek sideline girls. This is just the name of one web site. I have had many sessions and can tell you the best way to get started.

Believe it or not, most of the girls have a handler who books their customers for them. They will work out of a rented room if they are alone or a shared apartment with other working ladies. They mostly don't do out calls and the line accounts they use in their ads are often programmed with automatic replies. 80% are actually well organized prostitution rings so it takes a lot of weeding out to find the true sideline girls working independently to put themselves through school. Most of your observations are incorrect, so if you want the real story, feel free to PM or read my post in the Bangkok thread.

This is not a new discovery to say the least.I checked out many of your posts on the threads and they virtually all come across as knowing everything, are objectionable, confrontational and aggressive to those who don't agree with you. Guarantee I have more experience of the Chiang Mai monger scene than you do. As for your claims to have knowledge of the real facts pertaining to my post, why would I need to PM you? Why not share your valuable knowledge and let us all in on the secret? I tell you why, it's because you are a load of hot air blowing in the wind and don't have sources for your information.

So either put up or shut up.

[Member #4591]

I checked out many of your posts on the threads and they virtually all come across as knowing everything, are objectionable, confrontational and aggressive to those who don't agree with you. Guarantee I have more experience of the Chiang Mai monger scene than you do. As for your claims to have knowledge of the real facts pertaining to my post, why would I need to PM you? Why not share your valuable knowledge and let us all in on the secret? I tell you why, it's because you are a load of hot air blowing in the wind and don't have sources for your information.

So either put up or shut up.I already have. You can search for my reports. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

[Syzygies]

I checked out many of your posts on the threads and they virtually all come across as knowing everything, are objectionable, confrontational and aggressive to those who don't agree with you. Guarantee I have more experience of the Chiang Mai monger scene than you do. As for your claims to have knowledge of the real facts pertaining to my post, why would I need to PM you? Why not share your valuable knowledge and let us all in on the secret? I tell you why, it's because you are a load of hot air blowing in the wind and don't have sources for your information.

So either put up or shut up.It is true that BKK Dog has posted about this type of mongering scene before. While you are new to it, he clearly was not. So if was me, I would take note of his warnings. Get thick skinned if necessary. I do speak Thai and message girls in Thai script so this world is open to me. However I am not in Chiang Mai often and would not go there for mongering. In Bangkok I have been concentrating on a few regular somewhat independent girls that I make appointments with using LINE. One is studying fashion design and another studying accounting degree. I don't have the energy to meet lots of girls via Backpage website or Dek sideline etc. A lot of the time I am too lazy to travel to the girl's location when her pics are not quite stunning. So my experience is not that broad in looking for independent girls online and am willing to learn. I have collected some LINE ids of prettier girls and still did not get around to pulling the trigger on most of them. The pretty ones must be inundated with messages from Thai boys, so it makes sense that the girls would need an automated Robot message answering and automated posting on web sites. If girls are really students, they have little time for mucking around messaging with heaps of guys, that are only potential customers. So makes sense to use handlers to try to weed out the waste of time people.

For one beauty I do occasionally, I am prepared to go to Lat Prao for her, however she is not in BKK that much. She studies in another province which I may have to consider visiting.

[Arthur Tick]

It is true that BKK Dog has posted about this type of mongering scene before. While you are new to it, he clearly was not. So if was me, I would take note of his warnings. Get thick skinned if necessary. I do speak Thai and message girls in Thai script so this world is open to me. However I am not in Chiang Mai often and would not go there for mongering. In Bangkok I have been concentrating on a few regular somewhat independent girls that I make appointments with using LINE. One is studying fashion design and another studying accounting degree. I don't have the energy to meet lots of girls via Backpage website or Dek sideline etc. A lot of the time I am too lazy to travel to the girl's location when her pics are not quite stunning. So my experience is not that broad in looking for independent girls online and am willing to learn. I have collected some LINE ids of prettier girls and still did not get around to pulling the trigger on most of them. The pretty ones must be inundated with messages from Thai boys, so it makes sense that the girls would need an automated Robot message answering and automated posting on web sites. If girls are really students, they have little time for mucking around messaging with heaps of guys, that are only potential customers. So makes sense to use handlers to try to weed out the waste of time people.

For one beauty I do occasionally, I am prepared to go to Lat Prao for her, however she is not in BKK that much. She studies in another province which I may have to consider visiting.Here we go again, another round of useless dribble.

You would not go to Chiang Mai for mongering, so what's your point in posting on the Chiang Mai forum? Being as I live in Chiang Mai I am only interested in what's available in this city, your information is of no use at all for those living or visiting Chiang Mai.

[Syzygies]

Here we go again, another round of useless dribble.

You would not go to Chiang Mai for mongering, so what's your point in posting on the Chiang Mai forum? Being as I live in Chiang Mai I am only interested in what's available in this city, your information is of no use at all for those living or visiting Chiang Mai.One might realise that mechanisms for hooking up with girls online, are not going to vary so much from place to place, be it Bangkok, Chiang Mai, or wherever. How it works is going to be similar.

Instead of being so arrogant, we should all realise we have new things to learn, and can have distorted perspectives when new to something. I am will willing to learn from useful experiences of others, especially as have found mongering in Chiang Mai to be pretty unsatisfactory to date, other than some Soapy visits too many years back.

If you don't want to benefit from what has been learned by others about connecting with girls online, so be it. I hate to see the forum, being a competition for each poster to be the most knowledgeable one, and dump shit on all the others.

[Forever69]

If you don't want to benefit from what has been learned by others about connecting with girls online, so be it. I hate to see the forum, being a competition for each poster to be the most knowledgeable one, and dump shit on all the others.You can lead the horse to the water but you cannot make it drink.

[Penguin69]

You can lead the horse to the water but you cannot make it drink.Or, as Dorothy Parker (I think) put it:

'You can lead a working girl to culture but you can't make her think'.

[Member #4591]

Here we go again, another round of useless dribble.

You would not go to Chiang Mai for mongering, so what's your point in posting on the Chiang Mai forum? Being as I live in Chiang Mai I am only interested in what's available in this city, your information is of no use at all for those living or visiting Chiang Mai.So how to hook up wth sideline girls is not useful information for Chainagmai? I didn't know that the profession only existed in Chiangmai. I guess all the sideline girls in Bangkok actually work for 7/11.

[Arthur Tick]

So how to hook up wth sideline girls is not useful information for Chainagmai? I didn't know that the profession only existed in Chiangmai. I guess all the sideline girls in Bangkok actually work for 7/11.Instead of going around in circles, why don't posters just give the appropriate forum and post numbers of what is relevant to this topic rather then saying; PM me or expecting those interested to search all their past posts to try and seek them out? Only need to point to the exact location rather than turn this into a guess the riddle or do you think that would make it too easy?

[Member #4591]

Instead of going around in circles, why don't posters just give the appropriate forum and post numbers of what is relevant to this topic rather then saying; PM me or expecting those interested to search all their past posts to try and seek them out? Only need to point to the exact location rather than turn this into a guess the riddle or do you think that would make it too easy?Instead of going around in circles, why don't some forum members RTFF before accusing others about not posting about a topic when they actually have? I didn't know any senior members until now that needed to be spoon fed.

[Arthur Tick]

Instead of going around in circles, why don't some forum members RTFF before accusing others about not posting about a topic when they actually have? I didn't know any senior members until now that needed to be spoon fed.You are still going around in circles and your posts are hardly informative. You're just making arguments for arguments sake. What's the point of trolling me, just cough up with some helpful info that I doubt you have.

[Member #4591]

You are still going around in circles and your posts are hardly informative. You're just making arguments for arguments sake. What's the point of trolling me, just cough up with some helpful info that I doubt you have.For the handicapped seniors like Arthur:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1932431#post1932431.

Just one of the many times I've discussed this topic. Use your superman Ninja Chiangmai ISG skills to hunt down the rest of my posts. It's takes a lot of energy I know to use the search feature. There are about 10 more posts you can easily find.

[Arthur Tick]

For the handicapped seniors like Arthur:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1932431#post1932431.

Just one of the many times I've discussed this topic. Use your superman Ninja Chiangmai ISG skills to hunt down the rest of my posts. It's takes a lot of energy I know to use the search feature. There are about 10 more posts you can easily find.Thanks for the info BKKdog. I done a Google translate on all your links and could not find even one located in Chiang Mai. Sometime ago I also found those links, only need to do a search in Google and a few more, but as I said; not easy for Farangs to break into that Thai orientated mongering scene. But I will do some more research into the Chiang Mai dek sideline girls and will report if I gain any good results.

[Member #4591]

Thanks for the info BKKdog. I done a Google translate on all your links and could not find even one located in Chiang Mai. Sometime ago I also found those links, only need to do a search in Google and a few more, but as I said; not easy for Farangs to break into that Thai orientated mongering scene. But I will do some more research into the Chiang Mai dek sideline girls and will report if I gain any good results.

I tried to post the correct thing to search for in Thai Characters but the forum won't accept the post. If you want to know what to search for in Thai, then PM me. I've just come up with plenty of available options in Chiangmai.

[Syzygies]

I tried to post the correct thing to search for in Thai Characters but the forum won't accept the post. If you want to know what to search for in Thai, then PM me. I've just come up with plenty of available options in Chiangmai.It is possible to get Thai Script into a post. I suggest firstly, post without Thai script, then edit and paste Thai script in. Save.

Unfortunately, if you edit post again after that, the Thai script can be lost, or you need to repaste it back in again.
Instead stuff like this appears: &# 3626; without the space. Sometimes I edit and Thai Script remains O.K. in displayed page based on those symbols. It's not reliable, and I have not yet detected the exact reason. In example below I change the size of the script.

Keep a copy of your post in Word or some other suitable editor, in case you need to paste entire post back in again.

It may not be possible to post URL links containing Thai Script. I haven't tried that.


สบายดีไหม

[Member #4591]

Thanks for the info BKKdog. I done a Google translate on all your links and could not find even one located in Chiang Mai. Sometime ago I also found those links, only need to do a search in Google and a few more, but as I said; not easy for Farangs to break into that Thai orientated mongering scene. But I will do some more research into the Chiang Mai dek sideline girls and will report if I gain any good results.Search this: Chiangmai sideline girls- เชียงใหม่ เด็กไซด์ไลน์

[Member #4591]

Thanks for the info BKKdog. I done a Google translate on all your links and could not find even one located in Chiang Mai. Sometime ago I also found those links, only need to do a search in Google and a few more, but as I said; not easy for Farangs to break into that Thai orientated mongering scene. But I will do some more research into the Chiang Mai dek sideline girls and will report if I gain any good results.Again, Dek sideline is one of the many websites, not the general term for anyone to search.

[Syzygies]

Again, Dek sideline is one of the many websites, not the general term for anyone to search.Actually as a general term Thais are using both 'Saao Sideline' and 'Dek Sideline' and there is at least one site incorporating the term Dek but more sites seem to refer to "Saao Sideline". Saao means a young girl, and Dek technically means a child but Thais and Japanese like to use terms like this for youngish school girls hooking part time, hopefully over the legal age.

A couple of example web sites:

https://www.dek24sideline.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=44 a Thai site not of much use to anyone here unless your Thai is damn good.

This and another site called Sexysideline.com, as examples, are not general and not specific to Chiang Mai, naturally.

http://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-side-line-girls-and-agents-in-chiang-mai-p38 a more general site in English explaining the scene, with some emphasis on Chiang Mai, but general principals could apply equally in other provinces.

Full time hookers are not considered Sideline girls. School girls only hooking part time, are considered to be Sideline girls.

Personally I have done the odd uni student hooking rather part time, however I did not use the Thai terminology for them. One was studying in Khon Kaen. They were simply part time girls, showing up whenever they pleased and got no salary. I kept in contact using LINE App. I found that some of these students had to concentrate on their studies a lot, and even when not studying had appointments with friends. So time available for hooking was very low overall. So it's not that great when I want specific girls, at the time I am available.

[Forever69]

Personally I have done the odd uni student hooking rather part time, however I did not use the Thai terminology for them. One was studying in Khon Kaen. They were simply part time girls, showing up whenever they pleased and got no salary. I kept in contact using LINE App. I found that some of these students had to concentrate on their studies a lot, and even when not studying had appointments with friends. So time available for hooking was very low overall. So it's not that great when I want specific girls, at the time I am available.Maybe now that you are on the topic you could explain some of the terminology since most of us don't read thai.

A friend told me two sisters means ladyboy. What is a moaklerbag? It comes up with google translate- most other stuff is relatively clear.

[Arthur Tick]

Maybe now that you are on the topic you could explain some of the terminology since most of us don't read thai.

A friend told me two sisters means ladyboy. What is a moaklerbag? It comes up with google translate- most other stuff is relatively clear.I thank BKKdog for all his efforts and links, very much appreciated.

I went into one of his Chiang Mai links and then done a Google translate job on the site. But it really is mind boggling. The Thai to English translation is awful, a lot of the descriptions used I could not understand and trying to guess what the jumbled translated English ads and comments mean is a very difficult task. Then I thought, if I try to contact one of those girls in English, machine translated into Thai, the situation is going to be the same for them only in reverse. I really cannot see how making any clear communications with them is possible. The only way I can think of bagging one of those sideline girls is by having a Thai friend do all the communicating on the site and on ID Line.

[Syzygies]

Maybe now that you are on the topic you could explain some of the terminology since most of us don't read thai.

A friend told me two sisters means ladyboy. What is a moaklerbag? It comes up with google translate- most other stuff is relatively clear.I did not look closely at those Thai web pages, before. Looked at some at time BKK Dog posted on them previously.

I very much doubt that two sisters means ladyboy (doesn't make any sense), however in Thai, Ladyboys are generally known euphemistically as "girls of the 2nd type". A translate software could easily stuff that up.

"girls type 2" could somehow come out as "2 girls" maybe.

Generally speaking, Thais on forums use a very unusual style of Thai including misspelled words, and made-up words, and significant slang. A Translate software could have a great deal of difficulty with it. Translate software for Thai to English does a fairly crappy job at the best of times. I guess these promotional adverts posted, should be not too difficult and contain some basic info, with a lot of drivel.

No clue how translate came out with Moaklerbag. That does not look like an English word.

My suggestion for Thai sites and translate of them it just to get an overall flavour of the style, without being able to understand every bit of the nonsense that will come out.

I give 3 examples now that I translated myself, which should be a bit better than the translate software, but sometimes I don't fully understand.

Example: "ID: golf_vios Pretty Phitsanulok girl, 'transparent' girl in style of schoolgirl, have young sisters, have changed to a new page, to have you choose every day, real white girls, good service, guarantee the looks, have a high desire together. ".

Another very brief: " sl Chaingmai sideline Chiangmai girls servicing Chaingmai okay Khaaaaaa! Line: sweetnightt + . ".

Here is an interesting one:

"Selling view by phone though the camera (videocam), take it all off, you can make requests, service like a girl friend, guarantee your excitement / arousal, can keep the time, I do till you you cum, I sell nude pics too, and nude video clips, see the face, fresh new camera, no hassle, are you guys interested? If interested contact on LINE: maykwang11".

In my case, to get interested in any of these girls, I need to see what they look like, and if pretty could will be interested. My Khon Kaen Uni student was especially pretty. Selecting her had nothing to do with her being a student. That was just coincidence. I just like pretty girls that like to fuck.

I thought was hard work looking through lots of Thai girl posts on sites with pics to find any girls that appealed to me. Did find a couple. I would not bother to try to read the Thai script, unless the girl's look really appealed.

[Mostek6502]

One reason translate is so poor is that in Isaan (northeast Thailand) people speak Isaan which is in fact the Lao language, they are all bilingual. I saw this with my own eyes. I took an Isaan girl to Lao and she spoke fluently with everyone we met. She could not read a single word of course! The funny thing is that Isaan people use the thai characters for writing. If you cut and paste this into translate it absolutely mashes it up.

[Forever69]

No clue how translate came out with Moaklerbag. That does not look like an English word.
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I know that. I googled it. What you would need to do is what we do, go on the thai site, right click, translate to english and find all these funny terms, go back find them in thai and make a translation for us. If it wasn't thailand I would think it is a condom. Since it is very frequently used. By the way I did answer a couple of ads, A. T. ,in simplest english and got some response, if the girl does not know any english at all she will not want to deal with us anyway. They all have google translate on their phone.

[Syzygies]

I know that. I googled it. What you would need to do is what we do, go on the thai site, right click, translate to english and find all these funny terms, go back find them in thai and make a translation for us. If it wasn't thailand I would think it is a condom. Since it is very frequently used. By the way I did answer a couple of ads, A. T. ,in simplest english and got some response, if the girl does not know any english at all she will not want to deal with us anyway. They all have google translate on their phone.Without having the Thai script relevant I have little chance. I don't want to go hunting for it. Not that energetic. If you want to post the Thai script not too lengthy together with the auto translate, I could make an attempt.

Might be fun to see how auto translate varies from my translate. I would be surprised if Google translate can do a good job unless very simple very precise language used.

[Arthur Tick]

I know that. I googled it. What you would need to do is what we do, go on the thai site, right click, translate to english and find all these funny terms, go back find them in thai and make a translation for us. If it wasn't thailand I would think it is a condom. Since it is very frequently used. By the way I did answer a couple of ads, A. T. ,in simplest english and got some response, if the girl does not know any english at all she will not want to deal with us anyway. They all have google translate on their phone.It seems the only hope of communicating with sideline girls online, is to learn a whole new language, Yinglish, plus all the regional variations and dialects that go with it.

If I start now, within the next 2 years I might be quite proficient at it. Better idea; maybe we could all chip in together and pay a Thai translator to do all the communicating and bidding for us? As a matter of fact this could turn out to be a lucrative business for a Thai proficient in English and Thai languages.

[Syzygies]

Here is an interesting one:

"Selling view by phone though the camera (videocam), take it all off, you can make requests, service like a girl friend, guarantee your excitement / arousal, can keep the time, I do till you you cum, I sell nude pics too, and nude video clips, see the face, fresh new camera, no hassle, are you guys interested? If interested contact on LINE: maykwang11".
Compare my translate of the Thai above to the auto translate of the page below:

"Selling a phone through the camera to remove all orders made to order. The service like a fan of the phone can be used to make time to complete the sale of his own porn. Sell ​8203;your porn clips in front of the camera is not very interested in if you interested contact Line: maykwang11. ".

You can see the auto Translate is a bit jumbled, and also misinterpreted some things. Important points were missed completely. It is not even clear the girl is selling a webcam strip show. "remove all orders" ha ha. That should have been "remove all of her clothes" LOL Sometimes the Thai script omits words that are understood. "Remove everything" clearly means the clothes, but an auto translate does not have that level of intuition.

The auto translate dropped some points completely like that she would show her face on the naked video stream.

So I warn guys that communication with girls via a translate software is very flawed and misunderstandings are quite easy to occur.

I include the Thai for anyone that can read it:

ขายวิวโฟน ผ่านกล้อง ถอดหมด สั่งได้ ทำตามสั่งได้ทุกแบบ บริการเหมือนแฟน รับโฟนสียว สามารถเก๊บเวลาได้ ทำให้จนเสร็จ ขายรูปโป๊ของตัวเองคะ ขายคลิปโป๊ของตัวเอง เหนหน้า กล้องสด ไม่เรื่องมาก มีพี่ๆคลไหนสนใจป่าว ถ้าสนใจ ติดต่อ Line : maykwang11

[Syzygies]

One reason translate is so poor is that in Isaan (northeast Thailand) people speak Isaan which is in fact the Lao language, they are all bilingual. I saw this with my own eyes. I took an Isaan girl to Lao and she spoke fluently with everyone we met. She could not read a single word of course! The funny thing is that Isaan people use the thai characters for writing. If you cut and paste this into translate it absolutely mashes it up.While most of this is true, it is not very relevant as to why plain Thai writing is mashed by the Auto Translate:

Another example:
ขาว หุ่นดี หน้าเด็ก เนื้อนุ่ม นมมหาลัย บริการประทับใจ
สนใจติดต่อขอรายละเอียดเพิ่มเติมได้ที่

Auto Translate:
White puppies in front of children, soft milk, college milk service impressed.
Please contact us for more details.

My Translate:
White skin, good figure, baby face, soft flesh, college girl tits, impressive service, if interested, you can contact us for more details.

Nothing whatsoever that could be translated to "puppies". LOL It just imagined that word or is trying to use it as a euphemism for something, but the tits had not been at all mentioned at that stage of the script. So that is mystifying. First word by itself is just "White". That has to be interpreted as white skin, not white puppies. LOL.

Part of the problem, is that the Thai does not use proper sentences. It is just a string of words, or clauses. The translate should be capable of seeing spaces between things in the Thai which suggest things to be translated separately, not combined.

[FormulaOneFan]

I have been chatting for weeks with a girl I met last month in BKK, and I agree. The online translators are a mess. I find it best when I write to her to use the english- thai translator, then run it back through the thai- english one to make sure the main ideas made it through. I'm sure this dumbs down what I'm writing to the level of a second grader, but at least I have the impression she knows what I'm writing.

Often I can't make heads or tails of what she is saying. Which in some ways makes it fun because I can just blatantly ignore messages that are gobbledegook.

[Franciscass]

Back from Songkran in Chiangmai. Two forgettable FS sessions but two enjoyable massages, one worth mentioning at Natchan opposite May Ping hotel. Her name is Fah cute fresh faced 22 yr old from Ubon. Been working for only one month but I tell you she gave me one of the most sensual massages I've ever experienced. Incredible soft hands and a seemingly natural ability at knowing her way around the male body. She had my full attention when coyly asking "you want special". She asked for a 1000 and for a minute I thought it was over before she accepted 500. I got the feeling she often gets the 1000. Anyway she resumes expertly massaging the shaft the sack the perineum and the asshole. She was reluctant to allow touching at first but then really got into it. I have had lots of HJ's where the objective is to get you off quickly but with Fah she takes her time and it was at least 15 glorious minutes before I popped. I went back twice next day but she was working on both occasions so I decided I would leave the experience for now as simply a sublime memory.

[Mostek6502]

I don't know what it does or the Thai language, but when I am using translate to talk to an Isaan girl on "line" the translate does a terrible job. It's only because they are using Thai characters to talk another language, IE Issan (which is the same as Lao).

[Arthur Tick]

I don't know what it does or the Thai language, but when I am using translate to talk to an Isaan girl on "line" the translate does a terrible job. It's only because they are using Thai characters to talk another language, IE Issan (which is the same as Lao).As I said; it is a parallel world and almost impossible to find a code to break in unless fluent in Thai and all the dialects that go with it. It's a shame because I recently heard of an undercover dek sideline scheme which is run by a Thai lady who was a receptionist in a Chiang Mai hotel not far from where I live. She was supplying girls from 16 to early 20's for 1500 baht. 1000 for the girls and 500 baht for the woman agent. I heard about this from the news as the agent was arrested, but I guess there are many more in operation. In the news report it said that these girls were supplied to Thai customers, police, local authority workers and businessmen. But hidden well out of sight from Farangs. A sideline agent could be operating next door to my house, but I still wouldn't get to know about it, unless by chance.

Consider this; to hire an early 20's escort from an escort agency can cost almost 6 times what the Thais are paying for the equivalent or even better quality dek sideline girls. Also I know in my area there are love motels, hire a room for two hours cost 100 baht, but again all strictly for Thais. I am starting to feel segregated and deprived living in this country.

[Syzygies]

I don't know what it does or the Thai language, but when I am using translate to talk to an Isaan girl on "line" the translate does a terrible job. It's only because they are using Thai characters to talk another language, IE Issan (which is the same as Lao).My GF sometimes speaks to me in Issan dialect (just to tease me I suspect since I understand perhaps only 50% of Issan. The real easy stuff or words common with Thai). However when she messages me, it is virtually always plain Thai. It is possible for her to throw in a simple Issan phrase in Thai script for fun, e. G. (here converted to Romanised) "Bor bpen nyang dork" (mai bpen rai. No worries) or "bpai la der" (let's go). However not common.

Normally Issan girls can type plain Thai script very well. So I am surprised if your girl really makes it difficult by using Issan in a message. Perhaps you can post an example phrase (in the Thai script), and I can confirm if it is really Issan dialect, since you would not be able to tell yourself, most likely.

The two girls I know that really mess up their Thai script somewhat are non Thai girls, one from northern mountains of Myanmar, and other from Savanakhet (Laos) who likes to use Issan like spellings of some words (Seu rather than Cheu, hak rather than rak). Real Thai girls make spelling mistakes or typos like anyone else, but otherwise it should be good Thai. Almost all Thai girls can speak plain Thai too.

Remember that auto translators already stuff up converting plain Thai to English, quite badly, so I will be surprised if Issan dialect is really used to make it totally impossible to work.

[Syzygies]

As I said; it is a parallel world and almost impossible to find a code to break in unless fluent in Thai and all the dialects that go with it. A language is an unbreakable code, unless the language is known somewhat. Americans used the Navaho native language as a basis for an unbreakable code during the war, since the enemy had no knowledge of the language whatsoever. Meanwhile the German's Enigma machine code, was breakable and assisted firstly by the "bombe" machine of rotating turrets, and later code breaking was done by the world's first computer Collossus. A completely unknown language is not breakable by computers. The language has to be learned by exposure to massive amounts of it in a meaningful context.

Google translate should be trying to match phrases or parts of phrases to known already translated texts, and failing that look up short phrases or words in dictionaries, and have some clues about the language grammar structure. Then it has to pick one of several possible meanings of a word based on context. Thai has such loose grammar structure and omission of implied words, that going from Thai to English maybe more difficult than the reverse. Many Thai words can be used as several of nouns, adjectives, verbs, and adverbs all from the same word. From structure of a sentence the program has to decide which it is.

e.g. "geng" = to be skilful (verb), skilful (adj), skilfully (adverb)
"Thorasap" = to telephone (verb), or Telephone (noun)
"Khmer" can be noun or adjective

A Thai pronoun like "khao" could mean he, she, or they, and my GF even uses it to mean "I" or "me". Needs a smart program to guess which one. LOL

[Arthur Tick]

A language is an unbreakable code, unless the language is known somewhat. Americans used the Navaho native language as a basis for an unbreakable code during the war, since the enemy had no knowledge of the language whatsoever. Meanwhile the German's Enigma machine code, was breakable and assisted firstly by the "bombe" machine of rotating turrets, and later code breaking was done by the world's first computer Collossus. A completely unknown language is not breakable by computers. The language has to be learned by exposure to massive amounts of it in a meaningful context.

Google translate should be trying to match phrases or parts of phrases to known already translated texts, and failing that look up short phrases or words in dictionaries, and have some clues about the language grammar structure. Then it has to pick one of several possible meanings of a word based on context. Thai has such loose grammar structure and omission of implied words, that going from Thai to English maybe more difficult than the reverse. Many Thai words can be used as several of nouns, adjectives, verbs, and adverbs all from the same word. From structure of a sentence the program has to decide which it is.

e.g. "geng" = to be skilful (verb), skilful (adj), skilfully (adverb)
"Thorasap" = to telephone (verb), or Telephone (noun)
"Khmer" can be noun or adjective

A Thai pronoun like "khao" could mean he, she, or they, and my GF even uses it to mean "I" or "me". Needs a smart program to guess which one. LOLMany of my ancestors came from Holland and I have been working on my family history for a number of years. This often involves using Google to translate Dutch into English and even then the translated English sentences can be mumbo jumbo. But being I am translating one European language to another European language it gives me a fighting chance of making sense of it all and eventually I manage to create an article in perfect English translated from the Dutch.

But translating an Asian language into a European language is a completely different ballgame, often there are no translations from certain Asian languages into English, so it becomes a guessing game. I find it really frustrating. It amazes me that after many years these machine translation services are unable to provide credible translations and can be at times completely useless, only giving a hint of the meanings of translated words. Hoping in the future someone will invent an automatic translation system that actually works.

[Mostek6502]

I should clarify this, I have not been clear. My Isaan girlfriend will post comments onto facebook or line (for all to read, not just me). These comments will be in the Isaan language (Lao) using Thai characters. They are really meant for consumption by her friends. I cut and paste them into translate to try and figure out what they are talking about. That is when the translation mashes it all up. Sorry, when she chats with me she uses "correct" Thai only rarely, mostly it is in English.

[Forever69]

Hoping in the future someone will invent an automatic translation system that actually works.Free of charge of course.

[GoodEnough]

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But translating an Asian language into a European language is a completely different ballgame, often there are no translations from certain Asian languages into English, so it becomes a guessing game. I find it really frustrating. It amazes me that after many years these machine translation services are unable to provide credible translations and can be at times completely useless, only giving a hint of the meanings of translated words. Hoping in the future someone will invent an automatic translation system that actually works.I have the same problem with Tagalog (Philippino), which all of the translation software bungles completely and the result is simply often gibberish. Given that Tagalog has no tenses and no conjugations, perhaps this is understandable. The problem in the Philippines (and perhaps Thailand) is that locals freely mix Tagalog with words and verbs from the regional patois (such as Visayan) with the result being a melange of at least two languages.

GE.

[Dg8787]

Free of charge of course.It is free of charge now and no one has come up with it. The power of "for profit" will come up with it!

We can wish for everything free and get nothing.

[Arthur Tick]

Free of charge of course.Sometimes when a service is offered for free and doesn't work, then that still amounts to receiving nothing, free or otherwise. If I offered you a mouldy past it's sell by date bar of chocolate, then in fact I am not giving you anything. I could say; I know it's useless, but it is free, so be grateful.

I would have no objections against paying a reasonable price for an automatic translation service that is accurate and works, but at the moment that option is not available. It would be well worth the price because being able to text in legible translated Thai and vice versa would open up many doors for us in Thailand that are presently keeping us firmly locked on the outside.

I have learned there is a booming mongers scene in Chiang Mai that is restricted and limited to us because of the language barriers. So paying for a decent service would be of great benefit and I'm sure many would be up for it.

[Member #4591]

Sometimes when a service is offered for free and doesn't work, then that still amounts to receiving nothing, free or otherwise. If I offered you a mouldy past it's sell by date bar of chocolate, then in fact I am not giving you anything. I could say; I know it's useless, but it is free, so be grateful.

I would have no objections against paying a reasonable price for an automatic translation service that is accurate and works, but at the moment that option is not available. It would be well worth the price because being able to text in legible translated Thai and vice versa would open up many doors for us in Thailand that are presently keeping us firmly locked on the outside.

I have learned there is a booming mongers scene in Chiang Mai that is restricted and limited to us because of the language barriers. So paying for a decent service would be of great benefit and I'm sure many would be up for it.I don't think you have the patience for it. With a little persistence, and tech savvy, you can enter that scene too.

[Forever69]

I would have no objections against paying a reasonable priceAre you telling me after probably 10 + years in chiang mai enjoying cheap food and lodging and thai hospitality you have no thai relation that would for a small price pound the keys on your behalf? What does that mean?

[Arthur Tick]

Are you telling me after probably 10 + years in chiang mai enjoying cheap food and lodging and thai hospitality you have no thai relation that would for a small price pound the keys on your behalf? What does that mean?What does it mean? It means I have failed, not only myself but also all the other posters on here as well. I must withdraw myself from society, become a monk and reflect on where I've gone wrong in life.

[Werqweq]

I don't think you have the patience for it. With a little persistence, and tech savvy, you can enter that scene too.I haven't tried it for chatting, but for other things I've found this one works much better than Google: https://www.thai2english.com/.

Was using it for a bit while trying to learn Thai too. I failed, but will take it up again soon I hope.

[Syzygies]

While most of this is true, it is not very relevant as to why plain Thai writing is mashed by the Auto Translate:

Another example:
ขาว หุ่นดี หน้าเด็ก เนื้อนุ่ม นมมหาลัย บริการประทับใจ
สนใจติดต่อขอรายละเอียดเพิ่มเติมได้ที่

Auto Translate:
White puppies in front of children, soft milk, college milk service impressed.
Please contact us for more details.

My Translate:
White skin, good figure, baby face, soft flesh, college girl tits, impressive service, if interested, you can contact us for more details.

Nothing whatsoever that could be translated to "puppies". LOL It just imagined that word or is trying to use it as a euphemism for something, but the tits had not been at all mentioned at that stage of the script. So that is mystifying. First word by itself is just "White". That has to be interpreted as white skin, not white puppies. LOL.

Part of the problem, is that the Thai does not use proper sentences. It is just a string of words, or clauses. The translate should be capable of seeing spaces between things in the Thai which suggest things to be translated separately, not combined.I fed the same example into thai2english.com:

"khao" to be white; light coloured.
"hun dee" good puppet.
"na thek" childish face.
"nua-num nom-maha-a-lai bor-ri-gaan-bpr-tap-jai" Nueanum Namomhalai Borikanprathapchai.

I don't see it is doing much better than Google, and the last phrase shown here is not translated at all for some reason. It should have been translated as "soft flesh, college girl tits, impressive service" or approximation.

So I have to remain sceptical to it's use for translating colloquial phrases that girls might write. I will try it on some formal Thai script another time and see how close it gets.

Anyone knows that the very common Thai expression "hun dee" means (the girl) has a good figure. "Good puppet" does not cut it. It means the software is not recognising a phrase and attempting to translate individual words without using context to choose the right meaning, when a word has several alternate meanings.

If a Thai word always had exactly one meaning and one way to translate it, then the software could do well. In reality to do well, it has to recognise common phrases, and at least groups of words that occur next to each other often.

If they don't have an adequate database of translated phrases, and a method to match them, why bother? If a word like "hun" has 3 or 4 meanings, it makes no sense to select any one of those meanings. Hence out came "puppet", a rare meaning for "hun" instead of "figure" a more common meaning. "mannequin" is another possible meaning.

Thai-language.com is a dictionary and sometimes recognises common expressions.
Fed this expression:

หุ่นดี

into it (hun dee) and it came up with:
(of male physique and female figure) well-built, in great shape.

So why does it do better than "good puppet"? O.K. Just got lucky this time. Most of the other expressions, less common, it would not know.

[Syzygies]

I haven't tried it for chatting, but for other things I've found this one works much better than Google: https://www.thai2english.com/.

Was using it for a bit while trying to learn Thai too. I failed, but will take it up again soon I hope.Sorry it certainly is not a method for helping to learn Thai. Perhaps you did not intend that meaning. You can use a dictionary to get all the possible meanings for a Thai word.

[Syzygies]

Did anyone try the Studio Spa?

Shown on this web page. I guess Kapoo clubs are called Spas these days:

http://www.kapooclubwebboard.net/forum/index.php?topic=1527.0

Scroll past the advertising to get to Map and pics.
I am yet to really get into Kapoo clubs due to fear of "dick scared " girls. However appeals to me more than wasting time meeting crappy girls online.

[Arthur Tick]

A few days ago I was looking at the male entertainments section on the Chiang Mai Locator.

Found the Victoria Club Massage, which claims for 1199 baht, you get 1 hour with a girl, includes shower with her, body to body massage and HJ all inclusive. It gave an ID Line address, so I contacted them via ID Line and asked, does this include the girl being naked or does that cost more? Received a reply; yes, the price includes everything. Thought; sounds like a good deal, so I'll give it a try and visited there last Tuesday, May 2nd, at 7. 30 pm.

Not easy to find. Directions: if the holiday Inn is on your left on the Lamphun Road Tumbol what Kate (106), almost opposite the Holiday Inn on the right is a Caltex petrol station or gasoline station is you're a yank. Go past the petrol station on your right and turn right into the first soi on the right, soi 9. Travel down there about 500 metres and the Victoria Club massage is on the left. Check it out on Google Street view if not sure.

Went in there and it was the strangest massage parlour set-up I have ever seen in Chiang Mai. It appeared to be a house transformed into a massage parlour. As I walked in there was an old lady, probably the mother, 2 young children, a boy and a girl, probably grandchildren and 2 young women, looked like sisters, one who was mother of the children. So this was a family affair. The mother of the 2 children greeted me, spoke a little English, I asked for a 1 hour oil massage and she replied, this is an exotic massage, I said fine, she gave me a menu and I opted for 1 hour the 1199 baht B2 B.

Without hardly any conversation she swiftly took me to a room upstairs that appeared to have been a bedroom at one time, had a mattress on the floor. I got undressed and she got undressed. Body not bad only she had lots of stretch marks that was a bit of a turn off. Average looking; give it a 4 out of 10. I asked her age and she said; 24, but I thought she looked 31 to 32 being more realistic. She led me to a shower room where she gave me a quick wash over with the spray hose, lasted about 5 minutes, if that. Back to the room, laid me on my stomach, massaged the bottom of my legs mostly, and then she slid up and down my back for about 1 minute, all in all lasted under 10 minutes. Turned me over, began the HJ almost immediately. She did let me finger her pussy, but no kissing, no really up close contact. If I became too amorous it was a, mi, mi, mi, meaning no in Thai and all rather fast and furious. Also what turned me off was that I could hear the children playing outside the room and was worried they might come barging in at any moment. The whole session lasted 25 minutes, no after session cup of tea, I paid my money including a 100 baht tip, wasn't disappointed as that was about what I expected it was going to be.

Although there are many B2 B massage parlors around Chiang Mai now, their techniques and prices may vary, but they all amount to around the same. Are they good value for money? IMHO, no. Are they worth a visit? Probably worth trying for one time if having low expectations at over inflated prices and just for the experience.

[Member #4591]

As I said; it is a parallel world and almost impossible to find a code to break in unless fluent in Thai and all the dialects that go with it. It's a shame because I recently heard of an undercover dek sideline scheme which is run by a Thai lady who was a receptionist in a Chiang Mai hotel not far from where I live. She was supplying girls from 16 to early 20's for 1500 baht. 1000 for the girls and 500 baht for the woman agent. I heard about this from the news as the agent was arrested, but I guess there are many more in operation. In the news report it said that these girls were supplied to Thai customers, police, local authority workers and businessmen. But hidden well out of sight from Farangs. A sideline agent could be operating next door to my house, but I still wouldn't get to know about it, unless by chance.

Consider this; to hire an early 20's escort from an escort agency can cost almost 6 times what the Thais are paying for the equivalent or even better quality dek sideline girls. Also I know in my area there are love motels, hire a room for two hours cost 100 baht, but again all strictly for Thais. I am starting to feel segregated and deprived living in this country.Here is the main site for Chiangmai.

http://cmxsideline.com/index.php

[Wolvenvacht]

As I said; it is a parallel world and almost impossible to find a code to break in unless fluent in Thai and all the dialects that go with it. It's a shame because I recently heard of an undercover dek sideline scheme which is run by a Thai lady who was a receptionist in a Chiang Mai hotel not far from where I live. She was supplying girls from 16 to early 20's for 1500 baht. 1000 for the girls and 500 baht for the woman agent. I heard about this from the news as the agent was arrested, but I guess there are many more in operation. In the news report it said that these girls were supplied to Thai customers, police, local authority workers and businessmen. But hidden well out of sight from Farangs. A sideline agent could be operating next door to my house, but I still wouldn't get to know about it, unless by chance.

Consider this; to hire an early 20's escort from an escort agency can cost almost 6 times what the Thais are paying for the equivalent or even better quality dek sideline girls. Also I know in my area there are love motels, hire a room for two hours cost 100 baht, but again all strictly for Thais. I am starting to feel segregated and deprived living in this country.I'm quite sure that an agency that provides 16 year old girls for sex is not a set-up I'd like to be associated with.

[Member #4591]

I'm quite sure that an agency that provides 16 year old girls for sex is not a set-up I'd like to be associated with.I totally agree. That's why I always deal through the public websites and insist on meeting the lady outside in a public place such as a shopping mall. When the meet up takes place, if there is anything amis, I cancel the encounter. Most of the sideline girls want you to do an in all but I never go for it.

[Arthur Tick]

I totally agree. That's why I always deal through the public websites and insist on meeting the lady outside in a public place such as a shopping mall. When the meet up takes place, if there is anything amis, I cancel the encounter. Most of the sideline girls want you to do an in all but I never go for it.Totally agree, I would never deal with pimps that supply under aged girls and that's why the woman mentioned was sent to jail. I too would prefer to make connections via a website and not through a dodgy agent, if it were possible to break the language barrier, which has been my point.

So if you could kindly let us all into your secret on how you archive this it would be a great help.

[Member #4591]

Totally agree, I would never deal with pimps that supply under aged girls and that's why the woman mentioned was sent to jail. I too would prefer to make connections via a website and not through a dodgy agent, if it were possible to break the language barrier, which has been my point.

So if you could kindly let us all into your secret on how you archive this it would be a great help.I cannot read and write Thai but I can speak enough to get by in social situations. If I don't get a good response after trying to chat with them on line, I call them up.

[Arthur Tick]

I cannot read and write Thai but I can speak enough to get by in social situations. If I don't get a good response after trying to chat with them on line, I call them up.I can also speak some Thai to get by in social situations, but not good enough to hold a fluent in-depth conversation with a Thai person. Which goes back to what I was saying, a foreigner would either have to read, type or speak fluent Thai in order to break into the sideline world. And my guess is; the majority of us are not up to those levels in Thai fluency, including me. This means that unless a sideline girl is able to understand a little English mixed in with Thai or be able to grasp what a foreigner is saying in bad Thai, then conversing with these girls is going to be extremely difficult.

[Member #4591]

I can also speak some Thai to get by in social situations, but not good enough to hold a fluent in-depth conversation with a Thai person. Which goes back to what I was saying, a foreigner would either have to read, type or speak fluent Thai in order to break into the sideline world. And my guess is; the majority of us are not up to those levels in Thai fluency, including me. This means that unless a sideline girl is able to understand a little English mixed in with Thai or be able to grasp what a foreigner is saying in bad Thai, then conversing with these girls is going to be extremely difficult.Open you mind and give it a try. I've had some success. You have nothing to lose. The idea is to flirt with them a little. If you come out of the gate being to direct and serious such as asking how much, what services you provide and so on, they get scared. Be casual about it and just go with the flow like you have nothing to lose. Talk with them a little. Tell them what you do in Thailand, where you live, where you come from, and compliment them on their looks.

[Blanquiceleste]

Having mongered around SEA for nearly 2 decades with a specific focus on Thailand, it is ironic how I have never visited CNX. Planning a trip in August. I have done the research and I have a few questions that I have PM'ed to Arthur Tick and BKKDog. Dog has replied but Arthur being the resident expert might add some real perspective, I think.

An open request to respond to the PM.

[Wolvenvacht]

I'm spending only one night in Chiang Mai and therefore did not have the time to go on an extened hunt. I took a tuktuk from thentrainstation to Sayuri Complex for 100 baht.

Once there the selection was extremely small. Only 3 girls in the fishbowl and 20 or so men watching them.

I ordered a soda and decided to wait a bit longer, a strategy that quickly paid off as cute no. 27 arrived in the fish bowl.

The papasan called her out for me and cashed 2200 baht. Has the price gone up? I vaguely remembered it to be 2000 baht. Perhaps it was the tuktuk's commission that was added.

Noo (Mouse) took me to the downstairs roo, undressed me and herself, prepared the bath and the soapie mattress and started her business. Long dark hair, tan skin, expressive eyes, tits between A and be-size, a trimmed partly shaven pussy and generally "spinner" type.

She started with a suggestive body-to-body slide that got me hard. I could lighly play with her breasts and pussy and she did some light sucking on my dick and balls.

Next was the bath service, where I got a good scrubbing and could continue to play with her.

Out of the bath, toweled down and on the bed. Hugging, light kissing, sucking her nipples (she did likewise with me), some mutual masturbation and then she put the cover on my dick and sucked me for a while, quite good and deep. While giving me a BJ I could see her pussy in the mirror and decide to take her in a few variations of doggy. She complied willingly and made me cum.

She cleaned my dick with some tissues and showered me in the bath tub.

It was a nice session. Nothing extraordinary but good peformance and good "take care". I gave her 200 baht tip and we parted ways.

As I said before, Sayuri Complex is a sure thing, solid standard service but nothing fancy.

[Syzygies]

I cannot read and write Thai but I can speak enough to get by in social situations. If I don't get a good response after trying to chat with them on line, I call them up.If you can already speak Thai reasonably well, learning to read and write is not such a huge project. You should consider taking it on. It does benefit messaging with Thai girls.

You can learn to read Thai without a teacher. I learned initially by a book. I happened to use the AUA book on reading and writing many years ago (25 years possibly), however I am sure there are good texts still available. Thai does have an alphabet, and where English spells 50% of words strangely, in Thai 90% have regular spellings, meaning I can spell 90% correctly by guessing, without actually knowing the spelling for certain. Thais misspell words too. The hardest part of spelling in Thai is probably just remembering which tone a word is.

The tone marks and rules are slightly tricky, but get used to it with repetition. Issan is worse for tone rules so thankfully there is no official written language for Issan.

You can get your reading going pretty well in just 6 months if you put in a bit of effort.

I have typed so many messages in Thai now, that I know where the all the basic letters are on the keyboard even, not having to hunt for them anymore. Smartphones assist with the spelling by guessing the word you are typing, and giving a few options (as long as get the initial letters right).

I have many thousand word Vocab lists Thai to English and visa Versa that can be plugged into a Flashcards App to learn. This can also practice reading by using the Thai script.

Reading the names of places that are in Thai only is a bit handy, also reading the menu in places where there is no English menu.

If you are here for the long term, reading Thai is a worthwhile project. Just so happens my GF does not speak English so all our messages have to be in Thai script.

In early days you can read a girls message in Thai and answer in English if girl can read English reasonably, since typing Thai starts so very slow. When you read a girl's message in English, it is not always clear what they mean, since grammar is poor, or use a word incorrectly. Thai is usually clearer.

I don't actually write Thai that often or that well. I type in Thai though and use standard Khetmanee keyboard in all situations to avoid getting confused.

My most confusing girls are Laos girls who don't speak English but type Laos variations of Thai words in Thai script (so spelling altered from normal Thai way). For example "chorn" meaning spoon becomes "sorn" in Laos style. Chiangmai girls could well spell a few words a bit strangely and use Chiangmai words like "jao" meaning you.

A Tha-yai girl from Myanmar, has been able to speak Thai sort of Chiangmai style for many years now, but only just recently learned to read and write Thai. She can message me now in Thai. It only took her a few months to learn even though her original schooling level was only to age 12 or so in Myanmar. Has no English. A highly educated person knowing more than one language should be able to learn to read Thai even quicker I would guess.

[Member #4591]

Having mongered around SEA for nearly 2 decades with a specific focus on Thailand, it is ironic how I have never visited CNX. Planning a trip in August. I have done the research and I have a few questions that I have PM'ed to Arthur Tick and BKKDog. Dog has replied but Arthur being the resident expert might add some real perspective, I think.

An open request to respond to the PM.Bangkok 112 does a few excellent night life and mongering walkthroughs on you tube. Please watch these:

https://youtu.be/f0vYRjunS9E

https://youtu.be/Ubee9hddrc0

[Smyke]

two enjoyable massages, one worth mentioning at Natchan opposite May Ping hotel. Her name is Fah cute fresh faced 22 yr old from Ubon. Been working for only one month but I tell you she gave me one of the most sensual massages I've ever experienced. Incredible soft hands and a seemingly natural ability at knowing her way around the male body. Anyway she resumes expertly massaging the shaft the sack the perineum and the asshole. She was reluctant to allow touching at first but then really got into it. I have had lots of HJ's where the objective is to get you off quickly but with Fah she takes her time and it was at least 15 glorious minutes before I popped. .After 3 days in Chiang Mai with very poor results and high prices, I decided to some research and found the above post. Wandered down at 6 pm and asked for Fah and a 1 HR oil massage (clothed).

Everything as described or better. I don't worry about getting the girl to strip off as I largely have my eyes closed to concentrate on the sensual experience. After I came, she wiped me down and then left the room. I thought that was the end, but she returned about 5 minutes later (giving me time to savour my climax) and proceeded to give another 5 minutes neck and shoulder rub with her sitting behind me and my head in her lap. Total damage 300 + 500 = 800 tbt.

[Krum Lov]

Is this place called "Maeping Beauty Salon"? Thanks.


After 3 days in Chiang Mai with very poor results and high prices, I decided to some research and found the above post. Wandered down at 6 pm and asked for Fah and a 1 HR oil massage (clothed).

Everything as described or better. I don't worry about getting the girl to strip off as I largely have my eyes closed to concentrate on the sensual experience. After I came, she wiped me down and then left the room. I thought that was the end, but she returned about 5 minutes later (giving me time to savour my climax) and proceeded to give another 5 minutes neck and shoulder rub with her sitting behind me and my head in her lap. Total damage 300 + 500 = 800 tbt.

[Arthur Tick]

Just had a look at the women for men section on craigslist and the casual encounters section of craigslist, for Bangkok and certain other cities, and there are freelance girls advertising on there in abundance, including students, MILFs, housewives, girls to suit all desires.

But in the same sections only pertaining to Chiang Mai, all that's available are gays, transvestites, ladyboys and weirdos just after photos and are probably fake.

Similar applies with the online escort agencies. To order an escort they are usually based in Bangkok and the customer has to pay extra for them to travel up to Chiang Mai. The very few that are based in Chiang Mai are in their late 30's or 40's, the rejects that wouldn't be acceptable in Bangkok asking for ridiculous money.

Question is: WHY? Do they vaporise if they travel north of Bangkok. I mean not able to even find one.

[D Cups]

I was there in 2012 and did not see any either. Had to go to some MP for a crappy HJ. Beautiful city, though. Was there in November for Loy Krathong. Beautiful. Especially from Roof Top Bar.


Just had a look at the women for men section on craigslist and the casual encounters section of craigslist, for Bangkok and certain other cities, and there are freelance girls advertising on there in abundance, including students, MILFs, housewives, girls to suit all desires.

But in the same sections only pertaining to Chiang Mai, all that's available are gays, transvestites, ladyboys and weirdos just after photos and are probably fake.

Similar applies with the online escort agencies. To order an escort they are usually based in Bangkok and the customer has to pay extra for them to travel up to Chiang Mai. The very few that are based in Chiang Mai are in their late 30's or 40's, the rejects that wouldn't be acceptable in Bangkok asking for ridiculous money.

Question is: WHY? Do they vaporise if they travel north of Bangkok. I mean not able to even find one..

[Arthur Tick]

I was there in 2012 and did not see any either. Had to go to some MP for a crappy HJ. Beautiful city, though. Was there in November for Loy Krathong. Beautiful. Especially from Roof Top Bar.

.This is a weird thing and although I've lived in CM for many years I am still at a loss to understand it.

I have never known of any city, in most countries of the world that does not it's fair share of freelancer girls. Even in England they advertise in abundance in the local papers or online local newspapers or online sites like craigslist and similar. But as regards CM, virtually nothing. Definitely something odd going on.

[Zeus9]

This is a weird thing and although I've lived in CM for many years I am still at a loss to understand it.

I have never known of any city, in most countries of the world that does not it's fair share of freelancer girls. Even in England they advertise in abundance in the local papers or online local newspapers or online sites like craigslist and similar. But as regards CM, virtually nothing. Definitely something odd going on.I saw the previously reported on freelancers in the alleys near the Thapae gate. Not really up to par for me, and I'm not extremely picky. I agree that there aren't the obvious online resources for Chiang Mai freelancers. I did have some success online in a more round about way. I traveled the Mae Hong Song loop by mototrcycle last October, but spent 4 days in CM after. There is t any action that I could find and in that area, so I spent some time setting up girls to meet when I got back to CM. Thai friendly worked nicely.

The first girl I met turned out to be a freelancer, but very discreet, and didn't even mention anything about money until we got back to the hotel. She was 25 with a super tight and well toned body. She had a set of decent bolt ONS, but I would have preferred that she never had them. We did the deed 3 times throughout half the night and each session got better as she opened up more. She was also into Game of Thrones and liked to do a bit of role play around that. She said that she was from Issan on the border of Laos, so she said that her parents were from Lao. Her English was pretty good as she had an older sponsor from the you. K. For the previous seven years. I was pretty much sure that she probably still has a few sponsors, and just decides to go out with someone for fun to make some extra cash and have a good time for free. She never gave me a price, so I just handed her 3000 the next day when I dropped her off at home. I usually won't pay that much, but she was one of the more gorgeous girls I've been around in Thailand. So the service, time spent, and stunning looks came cheap for 3000 I think.

The next night I took home a girl from a bar that isn't supposed to be a bar girl place. But they have some nice normal girls that work there that speak decent English. Somehow I took out the only girl that didn't speak much English, but my Thai needed some practice. She was young (maybe 22 I think), and from Kalisan Issan. She was pretty inexperienced and shy, which was kinda refreshing for once. Her friend at the bar told me that she had never left with anyone before. She was pretty enthusiastic in bed, and I think that she was genuinely turned on the whole time. I had to do some coaching, but she was pretty compliant and willing to please. I took her home in the morning and left her with 1500.

The same morning I picked up a girl at the bus station that I had started talking to on Thai friendly during that trip. She was a regular Thai lady that worked as a professor in a college in Lampang. She took the bus in to meet me. She was 35 and divorced with a teenage girl. She was really nice with a great personality. She was also pretty attractive with a small bit of baby damage. Older ladies are easier to spend time around if they aren't too bitter at life already. We spent all day and night together seeing sights. We were in the bed by 5 pm for the first round. She was good and horny from then until the next morning. We only l left to get dinner. Next morning I dropped her off at the bus station. I didn't give her any money as I totally believed that she wasn't in the game. I just paid for everything all day. She even offered to pay here and there. I still chat with her occasionally, but I think her search for other farangs has moved on. Good on her!

So in conclusion, the online dating sights are the way you will have to go for freelancers (in CM), and you might meet some good girls along the way too.

[Member #4591]

Just had a look at the women for men section on craigslist and the casual encounters section of craigslist, for Bangkok and certain other cities, and there are freelance girls advertising on there in abundance, including students, MILFs, housewives, girls to suit all desires.

But in the same sections only pertaining to Chiang Mai, all that's available are gays, transvestites, ladyboys and weirdos just after photos and are probably fake.

Similar applies with the online escort agencies. To order an escort they are usually based in Bangkok and the customer has to pay extra for them to travel up to Chiang Mai. The very few that are based in Chiang Mai are in their late 30's or 40's, the rejects that wouldn't be acceptable in Bangkok asking for ridiculous money.

Question is: WHY? Do they vaporise if they travel north of Bangkok. I mean not able to even find one.You are looking in the wrong spot. Look on we chat, Bee talk, Thai Friendly, Badoo, and many others that can be accessed from your smart phone.

[Arthur Tick]

I saw the previously reported on freelancers in the alleys near the Thapae gate. Not really up to par for me, and I'm not extremely picky. I agree that there aren't the obvious online resources for Chiang Mai freelancers. I did have some success online in a more round about way. I traveled the Mae Hong Song loop by mototrcycle last October, but spent 4 days in CM after. There is t any action that I could find and in that area, so I spent some time setting up girls to meet when I got back to CM. Thai friendly worked nicely.

The first girl I met turned out to be a freelancer, but very discreet, and didn't even mention anything about money until we got back to the hotel. She was 25 with a super tight and well toned body. She had a set of decent bolt ONS, but I would have preferred that she never had them. We did the deed 3 times throughout half the night and each session got better as she opened up more. She was also into Game of Thrones and liked to do a bit of role play around that. She said that she was from Issan on the border of Laos, so she said that her parents were from Lao. Her English was pretty good as she had an older sponsor from the you. K. For the previous seven years. I was pretty much sure that she probably still has a few sponsors, and just decides to go out with someone for fun to make some extra cash and have a good time for free. She never gave me a price, so I just handed her 3000 the next day when I dropped her off at home. I usually won't pay that much, but she was one of the more gorgeous girls I've been around in Thailand. So the service, time spent, and stunning looks came cheap for 3000 I think.

The next night I took home a girl from a bar that isn't supposed to be a bar girl place. But they have some nice normal girls that work there that speak decent English. Somehow I took out the only girl that didn't speak much English, but my Thai needed some practice. She was young (maybe 22 I think), and from Kalisan Issan. She was pretty inexperienced and shy, which was kinda refreshing for once. Her friend at the bar told me that she had never left with anyone before. She was pretty enthusiastic in bed, and I think that she was genuinely turned on the whole time. I had to do some coaching, but she was pretty compliant and willing to please. I took her home in the morning and left her with 1500.

The same morning I picked up a girl at the bus station that I had started talking to on Thai friendly during that trip. She was a regular Thai lady that worked as a professor in a college in Lampang. She took the bus in to meet me. She was 35 and divorced with a teenage girl. She was really nice with a great personality. She was also pretty attractive with a small bit of baby damage. Older ladies are easier to spend time around if they aren't too bitter at life already. We spent all day and night together seeing sights. We were in the bed by 5 pm for the first round. She was good and horny from then until the next morning. We only l left to get dinner. Next morning I dropped her off at the bus station. I didn't give her any money as I totally believed that she wasn't in the game. I just paid for everything all day. She even offered to pay here and there. I still chat with her occasionally, but I think her search for other farangs has moved on. Good on her!

So in conclusion, the online dating sights are the way you will have to go for freelancers (in CM), and you might meet some good girls along the way too.Good stories about your pulling abilities and conquests, I also have lots I can tell. But it still doesn't solve the mystery as to why there are hardly any or no freelance girls advertising on the CM sections of criagslist or anywhere else. I was recently discussing this with a friend, and he thinks, especially pertaining to craigslist, that when CM girls try to publish ads on CL their posts become immediately flagged and are then deleted. I actually tried myself posting on CL asking for Chiang Mai freelance girls and my posts did not see the light of day, within a couple of hours, flagged and deleted. And there is the classified site, Backstage. I tried an experiment. Posted an ad pretending to be a 28 year old CM woman looking to meet interesting guys and for fun. Got deleted, with a message saying; this ad does not meet our terms and conditions and no other explanation.

As regarding dating sites like TF and others. There are several girls on the Bangkok and Pattaya sections that are outright in what they are offering. But not the CM girls, they have to be very discrete. Reason I believe, if not discrete their profiles will probably be deleted. There are social media sites such as Badoo. But joining Badoo automatically connects you with your facebook profile. Not good for guys who already have girlfriends or are married.

I find it difficult to accept there are no freelance girls in Chiang Mai. I think if they try and advertise, some kind of system is blocking them. Not just my opinion but also a general consensus among my friends.

[Member #4591]

Good stories about your pulling abilities and conquests, I also have lots I can tell. But it still doesn't solve the mystery as to why there are hardly any or no freelance girls advertising on the CM sections of criagslist or anywhere else. I was recently discussing this with a friend, and he thinks, especially pertaining to craigslist, that when CM girls try to publish ads on CL their posts become immediately flagged and are then deleted. I actually tried myself posting on CL asking for Chiang Mai freelance girls and my posts did not see the light of day, within a couple of hours, flagged and deleted. And there is the classified site, Backstage. I tried an experiment. Posted an ad pretending to be a 28 year old CM woman looking to meet interesting guys and for fun. Got deleted, with a message saying; this ad does not meet our terms and conditions and no other explanation.

As regarding dating sites like TF and others. There are several girls on the Bangkok and Pattaya sections that are outright in what they are offering. But not the CM girls, they have to be very discrete. Reason I believe, if not discrete their profiles will probably be deleted. There are social media sites such as Badoo. But joining Badoo automatically connects you with your facebook profile. Not good for guys who already have girlfriends or are married.

I find it difficult to accept there are no freelance girls in Chiang Mai. I think if they try and advertise, some kind of system is blocking them. Not just my opinion but also a general consensus among my friends.You are the most stubborn member on the board I think. If nothing else, you conveniently left out We Chat which will be full of freelancers and all the others you came up with an excuse why you don't want to use them or can't use them or can't see anything. So up to you, continue posting this dribble about there not being any Chiangmai freelancers for what? When I'm there next month, I will post screenshots of We Chat for you to see. Will that convince you?

[Eszpresszo]

Good stories about your pulling abilities and conquests, I also have lots I can tell. But it still doesn't solve the mystery as to why there are hardly any or no freelance girls advertising on the CM sections of criagslist or anywhere else. And do we assume that there were no such thing as freelancers before Craigslist appeared on this planet? Note to Arthur: Craigslist is a relatively new phenomenon that exists primarily for selling junk you don't need. Its not a hookup portal, though some might use it for that reason. On the Bangkok Craigslist page, you won't find many freelance women there either and yes, those are older. But, you walk out on Sukhumvit and they are abundant freelancers in the touristy areas. Younger women don't need to resort to Craigslist, nor do they want to have their image plastered all over the world. Can you imagine all the inquiries they will get from curious guys from all over the globe who will never set foot in Thailand? There's no conspiracy here, just a lot of better options for freelancers, as BKK Dog has just noted. And I will look forward to his trip report from CM.

[Franciscass]

Is this place called "Maeping Beauty Salon"? Thanks.No, its called Natchan Massage Shop. It's directly across from the side entrance of the MaePing The girl's name is Fah.

When I met her during Songkran she was very new to the business quite shy and offered only amazingly good HJ'S. I would be interested to know if she has since developed her services to include hotel visits.

[Arthur Tick]

You are the most stubborn member on the board I think. If nothing else, you conveniently left out We Chat which will be full of freelancers and all the others you came up with an excuse why you don't want to use them or can't use them or can't see anything. So up to you, continue posting this dribble about there not being any Chiangmai freelancers for what? When I'm there next month, I will post screenshots of We Chat for you to see. Will that convince you?I never said there are no CM freelancers, try reading my post again. I said there seems to be no CM freelancers advertising on craigslist and other classified sites. Also some may prefer not to have their identities or photos spread over a social media and Wechat is a social media. The same as some may not want to publish their details on online dating sites and would rather keep their freelancer encounters discrete, an option through limit choice is very difficult to find in Chiang Mai.

Just like your amazing powers to be able to communicate with Chiang Mai sideline girls whereas for you language is no barrier. Why don't you publish all your pick up strategies on here so we may all learn from your experiences? Oh sorry, forgot, you already have, only need to seek on ISG and we will find.

[Zeus9]

Good stories about your pulling abilities and conquests, I also have lots I can tell. But it still doesn't solve the mystery as to why there are hardly any or no freelance girls advertising on the CM sections of criagslist or anywhere else. I was recently discussing this with a friend, and he thinks, especially pertaining to craigslist, that when CM girls try to publish ads on CL their posts become immediately flagged and are then deleted. I actually tried myself posting on CL asking for Chiang Mai freelance girls and my posts did not see the light of day, within a couple of hours, flagged and deleted. And there is the classified site, Backstage. I tried an experiment. Posted an ad pretending to be a 28 year old CM woman looking to meet interesting guys and for fun. Got deleted, with a message saying; this ad does not meet our terms and conditions and no other explanation.

As regarding dating sites like TF and others. There are several girls on the Bangkok and Pattaya sections that are outright in what they are offering. But not the CM girls, they have to be very discrete. Reason I believe, if not discrete their profiles will probably be deleted. There are social media sites such as Badoo. But joining Badoo automatically connects you with your facebook profile. Not good for guys who already have girlfriends or are married.

I find it difficult to accept there are no freelance girls in Chiang Mai. I think if they try and advertise, some kind of system is blocking them. Not just my opinion but also a general consensus among my friends.I have had good success with badoo also. And yes, some girls are very transparent on their profiles about providing company for hire. I set up a Badoo profile without linking it to my Facebook account. I like to be a bit discreet also. I also understand someone not wanting to have a profile on any dating site. We chat doesn't require much info, but it is loaded with ladyboys in Bangkok and Chiang Mai. I've had a little luck with it in Bangkok, but not CM. There didn't seem to be that much on offer last time I was up there. I even looked into the sideline websites, but I have trouble getting the girls to respond even in Bangkok. Those sideline sites (such as fanfinfin or 69 sideline) seem to be geared towards local clientele. Those girls aren't as willing to meet a Falang yet. Maybe just a combo of language, preference, and them also trying to be discreet.

So in my research I also found it a bit difficult to find obvious freelancers online in Chiang Mai. But I'm not as into just picking up a FL off the street. There are some late night bars and clubs that are notorious for freelancers, but I don't want to wait until after 12 pm to start hunting. I'll try out some of the other apps suggested when I get back in country. I was only mentioning my experiences as to the main successes that I had in CM.

[Zeus9]

Good stories about your pulling abilities and conquests, I also have lots I can tell. But it still doesn't solve the mystery as to why there are hardly any or no freelance girls advertising on the CM sections of criagslist or anywhere else. I was recently discussing this with a friend, and he thinks, especially pertaining to craigslist, that when CM girls try to publish ads on CL their posts become immediately flagged and are then deleted. I actually tried myself posting on CL asking for Chiang Mai freelance girls and my posts did not see the light of day, within a couple of hours, flagged and deleted. And there is the classified site, Backstage. I tried an experiment. Posted an ad pretending to be a 28 year old CM woman looking to meet interesting guys and for fun. Got deleted, with a message saying; this ad does not meet our terms and conditions and no other explanation.

As regarding dating sites like TF and others. There are several girls on the Bangkok and Pattaya sections that are outright in what they are offering. But not the CM girls, they have to be very discrete. Reason I believe, if not discrete their profiles will probably be deleted. There are social media sites such as Badoo. But joining Badoo automatically connects you with your facebook profile. Not good for guys who already have girlfriends or are married.

I find it difficult to accept there are no freelance girls in Chiang Mai. I think if they try and advertise, some kind of system is blocking them. Not just my opinion but also a general consensus among my friends.I have had good success with badoo also. And yes, some girls are very transparent on their profiles about providing company for hire. I set up a Badoo profile without linking it to my Facebook account. I like to be a bit discreet also. I also understand someone not wanting to have a profile on any dating site. We chat doesn't require much info, but it is loaded with ladyboys in Bangkok and Chiang Mai. I've had a little luck with it in Bangkok, but not CM. There didn't seem to be that much on offer last time I was up there. I even looked into the sideline websites, but I have trouble getting the girls to respond even in Bangkok. Those sideline sites (such as fanfinfin or 69 sideline) seem to be geared towards local clientele. Those girls aren't as willing to meet a Falang yet. Maybe just a combo of language, preference, and them also trying to be discreet.

So in my research I also found it a bit difficult to find obvious freelancers online in Chiang Mai. But I'm not as into just picking up a FL off the street. There are some late night bars and clubs that are notorious for freelancers, but I don't want to wait until after 12 pm to start hunting. I'll try out some of the other apps suggested when I get back in country. I was only mentioning my experiences as to the main successes that I had in CM.

[Arthur Tick]

I have had good success with badoo also. And yes, some girls are very transparent on their profiles about providing company for hire. I set up a Badoo profile without linking it to my Facebook account. I like to be a bit discreet also. I also understand someone not wanting to have a profile on any dating site. We chat doesn't require much info, but it is loaded with ladyboys in Bangkok and Chiang Mai. I've had a little luck with it in Bangkok, but not CM. There didn't seem to be that much on offer last time I was up there. I even looked into the sideline websites, but I have trouble getting the girls to respond even in Bangkok. Those sideline sites (such as fanfinfin or 69 sideline) seem to be geared towards local clientele. Those girls aren't as willing to meet a Falang yet. Maybe just a combo of language, preference, and them also trying to be discreet.

So in my research I also found it a bit difficult to find obvious freelancers online in Chiang Mai. But I'm not as into just picking up a FL off the street. There are some late night bars and clubs that are notorious for freelancers, but I don't want to wait until after 12 pm to start hunting. I'll try out some of the other apps suggested when I get back in country. I was only mentioning my experiences as to the main successes that I had in CM.When I signed up on Badoo, used a different email address, only my first name, yet it still connected me to my facebook account and knew my gmail address. Don't know how but it did. All I can think of is that it traces me online by my IP address. I am only connected online with my home PC. So unless having another ISP I can't see any ways to hide my other social media accounts from them.

What it means is; anyone viewing my profile on Badoo will be able to also see details of my FB profile. Not ideal and why I deleted my account on there.

[MakeItOrBreak]

When I signed up on Badoo, used a different email address, only my first name, yet it still connected me to my facebook account and knew my gmail address. Don't know how but it did. All I can think of is that it traces me online by my IP address. I am only connected online with my home PC. So unless having another ISP I can't see any ways to hide my other social media accounts from them.

What it means is; anyone viewing my profile on Badoo will be able to also see details of my FB profile. Not ideal and why I deleted my account on there.You must have allowed it to connect these two. There is no link if you sign up with a different account. Tracing IP only works if I you have a static one which most people don't. Remarkable enough AIS in Thailand gives IPv6 or rather by requirement and then we will most likely see behavior your describing in the future. But as is right now 99,9% certainty you are responsible for what happened.

My five cents!

[Member #4591]

When I signed up on Badoo, used a different email address, only my first name, yet it still connected me to my facebook account and knew my gmail address. Don't know how but it did. All I can think of is that it traces me online by my IP address. I am only connected online with my home PC. So unless having another ISP I can't see any ways to hide my other social media accounts from them.

What it means is; anyone viewing my profile on Badoo will be able to also see details of my FB profile. Not ideal and why I deleted my account on there.For the record, badoo is very smart with Facebook. It uses Facebook to recommend friends for you, add additional friends and allow you to qualify for free premiunim features by inviting your Facebook friends. If you are so paranoid about this then download badoo on your mobile phone as an app. You won't have that problem. If you insist on using the browser version, then clear your cookies and history first. I would stick to just the app because the app utilizes location based searches for ladies nearby you. In my opinion, this is what you need.

[Arthur Tick]

This escort agency has a Chiang Mai section, so I made inquires.

Hi.

I am an English expat living in Chiang Mai and would like to hire a real female escort (no ladyboys or transgender) from your agency who is based in Chiang Mai and not having to travel up from somewhere else.

Not concerned about the costs.

Look forward to your reply.

Thanks.

THE RESPONSE:

Good Morning Sir.

Thank you for contacting Absolute Angels Bangkok.

Yes, we offer services in Chiang Mai.

We have 1 female escort (VIP Kate) who is based in Chiang Mai but unfortunately she is still on vacation. We do not have an estimate time on her return.

Kate is our only Chang Mai based escort.

We apologize for any inconvenience.

[Khundak]

So folks went to Sayuri tonight.

Prices were far ahead of the quality! Top row girls 3000, second 2500 and third 2200.

Picked one from the top row as she looked hot, was nice but rushed the bath routine in the.

Dingy bath, 20 second blow and couple of positions. And all over, let us leave. In and out in.

30 min, damage 3000 THB (100 $).

Don't know why it features as cheap and good in most internet searches!

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[Mostek6502]

Visited CM in July, many excellent experiences, some follow.

One girl I met at the east gate. She worked for a courier company and started work at 09:00. We agreed to meet at 08:00, she called twice to say she was on her way, and at 08:50 she turned up. While waiting some cute Chinese girls came over and we started chatting. They then asked for me to take photos with them feeding the birds. Thank you lovely girls, their English was very good. I should have suggested we join up and go for a day out together. Stupid me. Anyway, we go into a cafe and ordered mango and sticky rice. She was a bit heavy for a Thai girl, but had a very pretty face. We only chatted for ten minutes and she was late for work. I thought I would give her a miss. She was 34, no children.

Two days later she calls me and says she is coming to the hotel. "oh, OK then. ". Lucky for me I was uncommitted, So she turns up with an overnight bag. We go out for good dinner and return to the hotel. Have shower separately and she puts on her "cozies" and gets into bed (why do Thai girls always wear clothes to bed). I told her to drop all the clothes and get into bed. This was three weeks ago now, but I can recall that she was extraordinary, her enthusiasm was unbelievable. She absolutely loved it. She was very noisy and came hard several times. I could feel her clamping on me like a vice. After we have a nice chat and go to sleep. I wake in the morning with her giving me a fantastic BJ, we went for it and then showered. I reached for my wallet and she was absolutely aghast! I said "no, you said you collected banknotes". I gave her a A $20 note which she was very happy to have. We had breakfast and she went to work, and that was it. How good was that! She drops out of the sky into my bed and then leaves the next day not wanting anything. I love this place.

Another encounter was a girl who had just posted herself on TF, I think only the day before, in the title she said she was freelancing (A friend told her to be honest in the description), We chat and agree to meet. Attractive, fantastic body, she went to the gym everyday. Her name was Ice, 33. She arrives on her motor scooter and we chat. Would you like a beer? Yes, ok. We walk to 7-11 buy some chiangs and chips. We watch TV, share the beers, she tells me about herself. She has just finished a professional masseuse course (she has photo of the diploma) and is short of money, so thought that freelancing might do it. I was her first customer. I took lots of photos and videos and when I asked her what she wanted, she said 1000 baht. I gave her 1500. I called her a few days later and this time picked her up from her apartment. We went out for dinner this time and had another great time and I offered her 1500 and she said, you bought me dinner, 1000 is OK. I have seen on her posts on line that she has met a guy her own age. Best of luck to her, she was really nice.

I was looking for a girl on Loi Kroh Road. The bars at the entrance to where the Muay Thai ring is had three absolutely stunning girls and I was going to have a beer and choose one of them. I asked one of them and she wanted 2000ST. I refused, I thought it was too much after getting lucky for next to nothing the last week (many stories omitted) . I left. As I walked back to my car I started talking to a ladyboy and a freelancer. Very interesting stories about life. The freelancer started handling my junk through my shorts and I weakened. She was in her 30's, asked for 1200 baht. Took her back to the hotel and I could not do it. She did try very hard to get me in the mood, but to no avail. The fear of what I might catch scared the life out of me. She was a bit upset I could not do it and suggested I did not need to pay her. I paid her what she asked, and she walked herself out of the hotel. I had never picked up a freelancer before.

I have found that polite conversation with girls on TF and then Line produces good results. Many girls just want a break from life, farangs offer this without anyone catching them out.

Sorry, no photos. The quality of photos ISG is rubbish and does not do the girls justice.

[Arthur Tick]

Visited CM in July, many excellent experiences, some follow.

One girl I met at the east gate. She worked for a courier company and started work at 09:00. We agreed to meet at 08:00, she called twice to say she was on her way, and at 08:50 she turned up. While waiting some cute Chinese girls came over and we started chatting. They then asked for me to take photos with them feeding the birds. Thank you lovely girls, their English was very good. I should have suggested we join up and go for a day out together. Stupid me. Anyway, we go into a cafe and ordered mango and sticky rice. She was a bit heavy for a Thai girl, but had a very pretty face. We only chatted for ten minutes and she was late for work. I thought I would give her a miss. She was 34, no children.

Two days later she calls me and says she is coming to the hotel. "oh, OK then. ". Lucky for me I was uncommitted, So she turns up with an overnight bag. We go out for good dinner and return to the hotel. Have shower separately and she puts on her "cozies" and gets into bed (why do Thai girls always wear clothes to bed). I told her to drop all the clothes and get into bed. This was three weeks ago now, but I can recall that she was extraordinary, her enthusiasm was unbelievable. She absolutely loved it. She was very noisy and came hard several times. I could feel her clamping on me like a vice. After we have a nice chat and go to sleep. I wake in the morning with her giving me a fantastic BJ, we went for it and then showered. I reached for my wallet and she was absolutely aghast! I said "no, you said you collected banknotes". I gave her a A $20 note which she was very happy to have. We had breakfast and she went to work, and that was it. How good was that! She drops out of the sky into my bed and then leaves the next day not wanting anything. I love this place.

Another encounter was a girl who had just posted herself on TF, I think only the day before, in the title she said she was freelancing (A friend told her to be honest in the description), We chat and agree to meet. Attractive, fantastic body, she went to the gym everyday. Her name was Ice, 33. She arrives on her motor scooter and we chat. Would you like a beer? Yes, ok. We walk to 7-11 buy some chiangs and chips. We watch TV, share the beers, she tells me about herself. She has just finished a professional masseuse course (she has photo of the diploma) and is short of money, so thought that freelancing might do it. I was her first customer. I took lots of photos and videos and when I asked her what she wanted, she said 1000 baht. I gave her 1500. I called her a few days later and this time picked her up from her apartment. We went out for dinner this time and had another great time and I offered her 1500 and she said, you bought me dinner, 1000 is OK. I have seen on her posts on line that she has met a guy her own age. Best of luck to her, she was really nice.

I was looking for a girl on Loi Kroh Road. The bars at the entrance to where the Muay Thai ring is had three absolutely stunning girls and I was going to have a beer and choose one of them. I asked one of them and she wanted 2000ST. I refused, I thought it was too much after getting lucky for next to nothing the last week (many stories omitted) . I left. As I walked back to my car I started talking to a ladyboy and a freelancer. Very interesting stories about life. The freelancer started handling my junk through my shorts and I weakened. She was in her 30's, asked for 1200 baht. Took her back to the hotel and I could not do it. She did try very hard to get me in the mood, but to no avail. The fear of what I might catch scared the life out of me. She was a bit upset I could not do it and suggested I did not need to pay her. I paid her what she asked, and she walked herself out of the hotel. I had never picked up a freelancer before.

I have found that polite conversation with girls on TF and then Line produces good results. Many girls just want a break from life, farangs offer this without anyone catching them out.

Sorry, no photos. The quality of photos ISG is rubbish and does not do the girls justice.Interesting your story about Ice (33) on TF and was going to thank you for the heads up.

So I went onto TF looking for Ice (33) freelancer, Chiang Mai. Just to make sure I searched for girls, 30 to 35 in Chiang Mai. Ice, Chiang Mai, freelancer, not a sign of her. Oh, she just happened to meet a guy of her own age after you. Darn, missed the boat again.

[SirWilliam4]

Went to Shower Massage located in the Riverside Hotel yesterday. Short walk from the Night Market area.

Walked in about 2 pm. Papasan escorted me in the door. Fishbowl with about a dozen ladies. (Probably a lot more later in the evening.) Not one of them paid any attention to me, but understandable when the papasan told me it was one-way glass and they couldn't see out. No real stunners; no real uglies. A nice collection of fives and sixes, I'd say. 1400 thb for 1-1/2 hours of "everything". There was a group of sideliners sitting off in a dark corner (1800) but I did not walk over to look too closely.

Picked #24 because she looked thin and the best of the bunch. Off to the room. Clothes came off to reveal an okay body with no baby damage, but not really outstanding either. A- breasts and not much of a waist. Did all the usual, including a trip to the bath tub. She attempted to be nice, but all-in-all it was a "ho-hum" sort of experience. Got the job done. Didn't cost a fortune.

WIR? Not with #24. Might try my luck one more time another day.

SW4.

[Member #4591]

Heading back to Chiangmai shortly again and it's nice to see others are having success here. It's a welcome change to the dribble of one who always complains about there being no action and online is not good and no freelancers and so on. Way to go guys. I will follow suit and report my anticipated success. I'm already making contacts with many freelancers part time and full time on the chat apps and dating sites. The beer bars seem like a great bet and the videos of Bangkok 1112 on You tube are a great help to navigate the area. I plan on going to Spicies night club as well for some freelancer pick ups.

[Arthur Tick]

Yes, I do post my experiences on picking up sideline girls and other freelancers from the Internet, even have my own user blog.





Please do tell. It would be a welcome change to the complaining about Badoo, escort websites, massage places and the sideline websites, and so on. Please share your ultimate wisdom and conquests with the dating websites, chat apps and freelancers. I really want to learn from the Chiangmai master. I'm not being sarcastic, this is a sincere request, I'm waiting to hear about them so I can use the info on my upcoming trip.There was a troll who tagged along with every post I made. Eventually he got banned. I am wondering if you are that same poster, either reincarnated or maybe have two or more IDs on here.

We will see.

[Krum Lov]

Yes, very dull I know. Sorry. But does anyone know if I can buy hummus in either rimping supermarket (nim city) or the smaller big see supermarket just off sridonchai Road? I think the big see super supercenter sells it, but it's too far from me. Many thanks.

[Ralph Kramden]

Went to Shower Massage located in the Riverside Hotel yesterday. Short walk from the Night Market area.

Walked in about 2 pm. Papasan escorted me in the door. Fishbowl with about a dozen ladies. (Probably a lot more later in the evening.) Not one of them paid any attention to me, but understandable when the papasan told me it was one-way glass and they couldn't see out. No real stunners; no real uglies. A nice collection of fives and sixes, I'd say. 1400 thb for 1-1/2 hours of "everything". There was a group of sideliners sitting off in a dark corner (1800) but I did not walk over to look too closely.

Picked #24 because she looked thin and the best of the bunch. Off to the room. Clothes came off to reveal an okay body with no baby damage, but not really outstanding either. A- breasts and not much of a waist. Did all the usual, including a trip to the bath tub. She attempted to be nice, but all-in-all it was a "ho-hum" sort of experience. Got the job done. Didn't cost a fortune.

WIR? Not with #24. Might try my luck one more time another day.

SW4.Well good sweet Jesus son of Mary, someone finally posted some new and useful information on this thread after many months of mostly hot air. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[GeoffAH]

Sorry not a trip report but rather some commentary info on App use in CM and Spas and limited info on Sideline.

Location based apps such as Wechat are a no go for CM. CM is strictly a Line ID place. Because of the amount of PRC tourists that is all you will find on Wechat. For a while only ladyboys in CM used Wechat but even they have given up as Thais were basically swamped out of it. Line is the only way to go in CM.

Anyhow. I have the Line ID of some 23 Spas in CM that cater primarily for Thais (so we are not talking about Celebrity or Sayuri). A basic level of Thai is critical for most (but not all of these places). Most accept Farang no problems, others are a bit exclusive and you being there can actually put Thai penis envy punters off returning so some businesses are just an absolute no. And to quote Racey "some girls will, some girls won't" as far as having a farang client. Sort it out on Line first do not waste your time or theirs. Girls are all in their early 20's at latest, some uni, all small framed, baby damage nil, silicone nil though very few have the odd nose jobs, even tattoos are pretty much a nil. This is what the local Thai demographics requires.

Most have daily updates on their Line ID with information and photos of who is working when, promotional deals, and a few cost outline or services.

If you are familiar with Thai and want to give it a go you could start with these as illustrative:

Raspeberry Spa is a good example of a daily updated Line home page. There Line ID has picture of the girls, new starters, who is on roster so you can reserve a favourite if you want.

Little Mermaid Spa will take Farangs no problem. Some English is spoken there, not a lot by any means, some days none. It is a favourite of visiting Chinese Singaporeans who again are not big fans of Issan tans and there are a few fairer toned Chiang Rai girls that speak Mandarin. Has pictures of who is on shift and is open noon till midnight. This is probably the easiest one to get to as off Chang Klan.

Miss Spa is an example of one of the bigger spas. So popular that a few of their Line accounts reached maximum subscribers and hence the 02 addition to the current Line ID. There Line ID web page often shows costs (IE B2B 1600) and phone number and hours open (10.00 am to 2. 00 am) so handy for the early in the day time.

If you are taking a tuk tuk ask for a landmark (restaurant or bar is a good idea) by Line or Google map away otherwise expect to pay more. I ride an mc so not much help there but for Little Mermaid there are a heap of bars / restaurants and as said it is just of Chang Klan which has numerous drop off points. I think the Singaporeans get dropped off at some Korean restaurant opposite so maybe find out the name of that. Having said that. Its August and will soon be persisting down.

There are SideLine agents. I have two Line Ids and am known to them I am sorry but I am reluctant to post their Line ID's as do not want them flooded with google translate requests. I basically use them now and rarely go to the Spas except when there is a new girl and / or a promotion and a day time visit. Night time more uni students are off so a lot better with sidelines. CM being an uni town there are basically oodles of sidelines. Again, not all farang friendly as some are just plain scared of size, language problems, body odour, services required, etc etc, you name it.

I would personally stay away from some of the web based Thai sideline forums featuring adverts for CM, not so much an issue with tracking but rather some "sideline" girls seem to have been at University for many many many years and really not up to the standard for spas or agents and I think this is why they freelance as sidelines. A lot of these girls have photos on their Line ID and I have sincere doubts (standard of Thai university education notwithstanding) that they would want a brother, uncle father neighbour finding out. Here I am talking about smaller Thai sites like nongsldotcom.

If you can speak Thai then there is an option to pick up the Line Ids for sideline agents the way I did, which is talking to Thai clients in the Spas and mentioning it to the girls when there was a bit of a click and I asked for their Line ID, most gave their ID if clicked, and a few gave agents Line. Once I has agents I was happy with, and they were happy with me I stopped following up on that.

Anyhow. It is a lot better than some believe and Loi Kroh just presents as the far smaller and easier option but realistically some Thai language skills are required not only in making arrangements but also when in the room makes everything run a lot smoother. No Thai, and tourists on a short stay or digital gonads or slackpackers or begpackers etc then Loi Kroh is your go or Celeb as a walk then Sayuri / Pandora by tuk tuk. Celeb is not that bad and an easy walk down a soi from the night market. You can get a feed and a drink one the way back Also in Celeb (sorry have not been to the others in yonks) you can take drinks bought on premises up to the room, so LEO can be a conversation lubricant. They will bring up glasses, ice, Large LEO etc while the tub is filling. It makes things run a bit smoother and have no probs eating into your 90 minutes. I just find Celeb a lot more accommodating if I am in town for parking, familiarity, un-rushed service, welcoming, non discriminatory pricing. As I recall it opens from about 1.00 pm ish and has a shift and closes around midnight if you are not already in (so to speak). If I was staying in a hotel on holidays I would not be bothered with the others, Celeb for me is just that convenient I would say that the majority of Loi Kroh will not see their 30th birthday again, and equally a few not see their feet on the 7/11 scales again. The good ones have bfs, have gone, or are in Bangkok. There are some diamonds, but there is a lot of stone.

If anyone wants more Line Ids then I will add a heap of current ones but I say again really no use for the vast majority unless you speak (and better write) reasonable Thai, and establish that they are Farang friendly (and most are) otherwise they just do not respond or give up.

[GeoffAH]

My apologies people. It would appear that the Line IDs I provided in my original post for the CM Spa businesses have been deleted or edited out. I did not think about any conflict with sponsors etc perhaps or perhaps Line IDs fall under same category as an email address, or link to posts on other sites with photos, both of which are not permissible on the forum. In hindsight is my bad. And hence will not be able to provide business Line IDs.

I could provide physical address of some but this negates the basis of my post, to use the Line App to make arrangements or view choices first, in Thai language etc.

[Franciscass]

Sorry not a trip report but rather some commentary info on App use in CM and Spas and limited info on Sideline.

Location based apps such as Wechat are a no go for CM. CM is strictly a Line ID place. Because of the amount of PRC tourists that is all you will find on Wechat. For a while only ladyboys in CM used Wechat but even they have given up as Thais were basically swamped out of it. Line is the only way to go in CM.

Anyhow. I have the Line ID of some 23 Spas in CM that cater primarily for Thais (so we are not talking about Celebrity or Sayuri). A basic level of Thai is critical for most (but not all of these places). Most accept Farang no problems, others are a bit exclusive and you being there can actually put Thai penis envy punters off returning so some businesses are just an absolute no. And to quote Racey "some girls will, some girls won't" as far as having a farang client. Sort it out on Line first do not waste your time or theirs. Girls are all in their early 20's at latest, some uni, all small framed, baby damage nil, silicone nil though very few have the odd nose jobs, even tattoos are pretty much a nil. This is what the local Thai demographics requires.

Most have daily updates on their Line ID with information and photos of who is working when, promotional deals, and a few cost outline or services.

If you are familiar with Thai and want to give it a go you could start with these as illustrative:.Far and away the best most helpful report I have read on CM or indeed on any thread.

[Dion Cassius]

Sorry not a trip report but rather some commentary info on App use in CM and Spas and limited info on Sideline.

Location based apps such as Wechat are a no go for CM. CM is strictly a Line ID place. Because of the amount of PRC tourists that is all you will find on Wechat. For a while only ladyboys in CM used Wechat but even they have given up as Thais were basically swamped out of it. Line is the only way to go in CM.

Anyhow. I have the Line ID of some 23 Spas in CM that cater primarily for Thais (so we are not talking about Celebrity or Sayuri). A basic level of Thai is critical for most (but not all of these places). Most accept Farang no problems, others are a bit exclusive and you being there can actually put Thai penis envy punters off returning so some businesses are just an absolute no. And to quote Racey "some girls will, some girls won't" as far as having a farang client. Sort it out on Line first do not waste your time or theirs. Girls are all in their early 20's at latest, some uni, all small framed, baby damage nil, silicone nil though very few have the odd nose jobs, even tattoos are pretty much a nil. This is what the local Thai demographics requires.

Most have daily updates on their Line ID with information and photos of who is working when, promotional deals, and a few cost outline or services.

If you are familiar with Thai and want to give it a go you could start with these as illustrative:

Raspeberry Spa is a good example of a daily updated Line home page. There Line ID has picture of the girls, new starters, who is on roster so you can reserve a favourite if you want.

Little Mermaid Spa will take Farangs no problem. Some English is spoken there, not a lot by any means, some days none. It is a favourite of visiting Chinese Singaporeans who again are not big fans of Issan tans and there are a few fairer toned Chiang Rai girls that speak Mandarin. Has pictures of who is on shift and is open noon till midnight. This is probably the easiest one to get to as off Chang Klan.

Miss Spa is an example of one of the bigger spas. So popular that a few of their Line accounts reached maximum subscribers and hence the 02 addition to the current Line ID. There Line ID web page often shows costs (IE B2B 1600) and phone number and hours open (10.00 am to 2. 00 am) so handy for the early in the day time.

If you are taking a tuk tuk ask for a landmark (restaurant or bar is a good idea) by Line or Google map away otherwise expect to pay more. I ride an mc so not much help there but for Little Mermaid there are a heap of bars / restaurants and as said it is just of Chang Klan which has numerous drop off points. I think the Singaporeans get dropped off at some Korean restaurant opposite so maybe find out the name of that. Having said that. Its August and will soon be persisting down.

There are SideLine agents. I have two Line Ids and am known to them I am sorry but I am reluctant to post their Line ID's as do not want them flooded with google translate requests. I basically use them now and rarely go to the Spas except when there is a new girl and / or a promotion and a day time visit. Night time more uni students are off so a lot better with sidelines. CM being an uni town there are basically oodles of sidelines. Again, not all farang friendly as some are just plain scared of size, language problems, body odour, services required, etc etc, you name it.

I would personally stay away from some of the web based Thai sideline forums featuring adverts for CM, not so much an issue with tracking but rather some "sideline" girls seem to have been at University for many many many years and really not up to the standard for spas or agents and I think this is why they freelance as sidelines. A lot of these girls have photos on their Line ID and I have sincere doubts (standard of Thai university education notwithstanding) that they would want a brother, uncle father neighbour finding out. Here I am talking about smaller Thai sites like nongsldotcom.

If you can speak Thai then there is an option to pick up the Line Ids for sideline agents the way I did, which is talking to Thai clients in the Spas and mentioning it to the girls when there was a bit of a click and I asked for their Line ID, most gave their ID if clicked, and a few gave agents Line. Once I has agents I was happy with, and they were happy with me I stopped following up on that.

Anyhow. It is a lot better than some believe and Loi Kroh just presents as the far smaller and easier option but realistically some Thai language skills are required not only in making arrangements but also when in the room makes everything run a lot smoother. No Thai, and tourists on a short stay or digital gonads or slackpackers or begpackers etc then Loi Kroh is your go or Celeb as a walk then Sayuri / Pandora by tuk tuk. Celeb is not that bad and an easy walk down a soi from the night market. You can get a feed and a drink one the way back Also in Celeb (sorry have not been to the others in yonks) you can take drinks bought on premises up to the room, so LEO can be a conversation lubricant. They will bring up glasses, ice, Large LEO etc while the tub is filling. It makes things run a bit smoother and have no probs eating into your 90 minutes. I just find Celeb a lot more accommodating if I am in town for parking, familiarity, un-rushed service, welcoming, non discriminatory pricing. As I recall it opens from about 1.00 pm ish and has a shift and closes around midnight if you are not already in (so to speak). If I was staying in a hotel on holidays I would not be bothered with the others, Celeb for me is just that convenient I would say that the majority of Loi Kroh will not see their 30th birthday again, and equally a few not see their feet on the 7/11 scales again. The good ones have bfs, have gone, or are in Bangkok. There are some diamonds, but there is a lot of stone.

If anyone wants more Line Ids then I will add a heap of current ones but I say again really no use for the vast majority unless you speak (and better write) reasonable Thai, and establish that they are Farang friendly (and most are) otherwise they just do not respond or give up.Thank you for the info.

I will be in CM in a week and since I don't speak Thai (and because I will be staying only for a week) I think I'll stick to the farang friendly venues: Foxy Lady, entertainment complex, Celeb, Zoe.

Any recommendation?

[Ralph Kramden]

Sorry not a trip report but rather some commentary info on App use in CM and Spas and limited info on Sideline.

Location based apps such as Wechat are a no go for CM. CM is strictly a Line ID place. Because of the amount of PRC tourists that is all you will find on Wechat. For a while only ladyboys in CM used Wechat but even they have given up as Thais were basically swamped out of it. Line is the only way to go in CM.

Anyhow. I have the Line ID of some 23 Spas in CM that cater primarily for Thais (so we are not talking about Celebrity or Sayuri). A basic level of Thai is critical for most (but not all of these places). Most accept Farang no problems, others are a bit exclusive and you being there can actually put Thai penis envy punters off returning so some businesses are just an absolute no. And to quote Racey "some girls will, some girls won't" as far as having a farang client. Sort it out on Line first do not waste your time or theirs. Girls are all in their early 20's at latest, some uni, all small framed, baby damage nil, silicone nil though very few have the odd nose jobs, even tattoos are pretty much a nil. This is what the local Thai demographics requires.

Most have daily updates on their Line ID with information and photos of who is working when, promotional deals, and a few cost outline or services.

If you are familiar with Thai and want to give it a go you could start with these as illustrative:

Raspeberry Spa is a good example of a daily updated Line home page. There Line ID has picture of the girls, new starters, who is on roster so you can reserve a favourite if you want.

Little Mermaid Spa will take Farangs no problem. Some English is spoken there, not a lot by any means, some days none. It is a favourite of visiting Chinese Singaporeans who again are not big fans of Issan tans and there are a few fairer toned Chiang Rai girls that speak Mandarin. Has pictures of who is on shift and is open noon till midnight. This is probably the easiest one to get to as off Chang Klan.

Miss Spa is an example of one of the bigger spas. So popular that a few of their Line accounts reached maximum subscribers and hence the 02 addition to the current Line ID. There Line ID web page often shows costs (IE B2B 1600) and phone number and hours open (10.00 am to 2. 00 am) so handy for the early in the day time.

If you are taking a tuk tuk ask for a landmark (restaurant or bar is a good idea) by Line or Google map away otherwise expect to pay more. I ride an mc so not much help there but for Little Mermaid there are a heap of bars / restaurants and as said it is just of Chang Klan which has numerous drop off points. I think the Singaporeans get dropped off at some Korean restaurant opposite so maybe find out the name of that. Having said that. Its August and will soon be persisting down.

There are SideLine agents. I have two Line Ids and am known to them I am sorry but I am reluctant to post their Line ID's as do not want them flooded with google translate requests. I basically use them now and rarely go to the Spas except when there is a new girl and / or a promotion and a day time visit. Night time more uni students are off so a lot better with sidelines. CM being an uni town there are basically oodles of sidelines. Again, not all farang friendly as some are just plain scared of size, language problems, body odour, services required, etc etc, you name it.

I would personally stay away from some of the web based Thai sideline forums featuring adverts for CM, not so much an issue with tracking but rather some "sideline" girls seem to have been at University for many many many years and really not up to the standard for spas or agents and I think this is why they freelance as sidelines. A lot of these girls have photos on their Line ID and I have sincere doubts (standard of Thai university education notwithstanding) that they would want a brother, uncle father neighbour finding out. Here I am talking about smaller Thai sites like nongsldotcom.

If you can speak Thai then there is an option to pick up the Line Ids for sideline agents the way I did, which is talking to Thai clients in the Spas and mentioning it to the girls when there was a bit of a click and I asked for their Line ID, most gave their ID if clicked, and a few gave agents Line. Once I has agents I was happy with, and they were happy with me I stopped following up on that.

Anyhow. It is a lot better than some believe and Loi Kroh just presents as the far smaller and easier option but realistically some Thai language skills are required not only in making arrangements but also when in the room makes everything run a lot smoother. No Thai, and tourists on a short stay or digital gonads or slackpackers or begpackers etc then Loi Kroh is your go or Celeb as a walk then Sayuri / Pandora by tuk tuk. Celeb is not that bad and an easy walk down a soi from the night market. You can get a feed and a drink one the way back Also in Celeb (sorry have not been to the others in yonks) you can take drinks bought on premises up to the room, so LEO can be a conversation lubricant. They will bring up glasses, ice, Large LEO etc while the tub is filling. It makes things run a bit smoother and have no probs eating into your 90 minutes. I just find Celeb a lot more accommodating if I am in town for parking, familiarity, un-rushed service, welcoming, non discriminatory pricing. As I recall it opens from about 1.00 pm ish and has a shift and closes around midnight if you are not already in (so to speak). If I was staying in a hotel on holidays I would not be bothered with the others, Celeb for me is just that convenient I would say that the majority of Loi Kroh will not see their 30th birthday again, and equally a few not see their feet on the 7/11 scales again. The good ones have bfs, have gone, or are in Bangkok. There are some diamonds, but there is a lot of stone.

If anyone wants more Line Ids then I will add a heap of current ones but I say again really no use for the vast majority unless you speak (and better write) reasonable Thai, and establish that they are Farang friendly (and most are) otherwise they just do not respond or give up.More very useful information from a thorough ISG reporter. Thank you very much. Perhaps this thread is coming to life.

[GeoffAH]

Dion / Ralph,

Sorry if this meanders a bit but thought I would cover a bit more general CM info as well as your questions.

Just a P.S. On the Sideline thing to start. Your chance with CMU (Chiang Mai University) girls are not good at all (and that is being very nice). It is the prestigious university, requires a lot of money to go there. The girls here have money, cars, fashion, rarely stray from Nimman, and eyes on a Thai sponsor / husband. If you find out the girl is going to Rajabhat or Payap your chances improve markedly, more so with Rajabhat. Even then most would prefer long term Thai sponsor. These girls need the money. At uni they will usually hang out in the Thai bars / clubs in Santitham. Post univ the CEC / Boxing bars are littered with graduates some last ditch husband hunting at 30, or kids and father Thai shot through so again not many in their early 20's). Like most of Thailand late in the month when money is short sees numbers of part timers and Line availability pick up.

Freelance wise for me is just a big no no in CM. Along the eastern inside road of the moat you will see them sitting on benches from about 10.00 pm. Not the same as Nana parking lot at all, older, bigger, below average as you go north along that road you come to younger and very much dirtier girls (after Thapae Gate). Age would be an issue here and language ability and skill level. Strictly no no with it for me. Throughout the whole length maybe a dozen tops in number.

Around the same time of night the outside Eastern road of the moat becomes lady boy freelance groups. Maybe a dozen tops in number again.

Around 11.30 at night you get a few more freelancers on Loi Kroh, less than half a dozen I suppose. These are not bar girls (they are still at work and if need baht will negotiate at bar, or go Zoe or Yellow etc). Freelancing in CM they have a greater chance of being seen by coworkers and is just not a good look. Age, looks are working against these freelancers. CM bars do no have that high a standard so if a lady freelances only in CM (as opposed to getting a Line ID from a bar girl for a day time meet) I genuinely believe that there are problems to be avoided. They are basically predatory on drunks coming out of the bars and will hang around until they think no more will come (or it gets cold or raining). A few lady boys are in this mix / area as well.

To be fair I really do not go out to Zoe at all. If Techno / Rap / Trance etc, backpackers, DJs, dancing is your thing then by all means go and have fun with pick ups the secondary aim. It's a Backpacker Digital Nomad type place as far as I am concerned and for me that just puts me off. The other thing is that Zoe and Spicy were handy when the bars closed as they were open later (Spicy sometimes till sun up) so you had a lot of bar girls going to these places after finishing up at their regular workplace. If you are aged 50 or so upwards you will stick out in the crowd That does not happen at the moment for a few reasons.

Problem post junta is that CM were closing for along time at midnight (including Zoe and Spicy) but now most bars as well as Zoe and Spicy stretch out to 1. 00 am On Loi Kroh most nights you will see the police coming round at that time to check. There are some semi lock ins but no neon lights, doors drawn, music turned down or off type scenario. No one wants to (understandably) push the envelope. Arthur has correctly mentioned that the best years of CM as a mongering venue are well gone. You can have fun for sure, but if that is your sole reason for coming to CM then there are far better destinations.

Another reason it is low season so maximum girls descending on Zoe / Spicy after their job for minimum punters, not worth the effort. The bar girls might go there very occasionally for fun but they pretty much no that nomads and backpackers = no money. You do get a fair amount of youngish Thais from Farang geared hostels, guesthouses, fast food joints, restaurants going there for fun nights out dancing and chatting and taking selfies.

Another reason is that it is now the start of the rainy season in earnest so most girls / ladies will just kick off home if they have made enough money on lady drinks for the next days food. Financial planning is not a Thai bar girl attribute. Eating is.

I do not want to be down on the CEC / Boxing complex. I go there maybe once or twice a week, usually on Sunday at the moment when it is dead quite just to have a yack with a few ladies I have known for years. It is more or less a social visit not a mongering visit. Sundays and Saturdays the bars will have fewer girls and clients. Reason being is that the tourists are usually hitting the walking street markets that occur on these nights.

As far as Go Go venue is concerned, they are all within walking distance of each other (Spotlight a bit further out). Not really my scene. The venues are a lot smaller than Bangkok and once you have seen Bangkok clubs as far as standard of girls, number of girls, music, dancing, costumes, general attitude and professionalism. , CM clubs quickly lose any appeal. Some like Spotlight, some Foxy, Star XIX have never heard anything good about. Foxy would be my pick simply because it is a short walk from the CEC Boxing bars so if no joy you can double back to the bars. I am trying not to sound negative but in CM it is just not a case that a particular go go is "the" place to go. Much like the Spas (Sayuri / Pandora / Celeb) it is pretty much the same standard so I look at other factors like how to get there, what next, is it worth the travel time to A over be etc Go Gos have very few girls dancing most times single digits, a few layers of clothing, and shuffle more than dance as far as I am concerned. Again I have experienced the odd good night, as opposed to consistently good nights in Bangkok.

IF you are staying for a brief period like a week with no Thai language skills, at this time of year (raining and low season), I would generally stick to the CEC Boxing bars as you can wander from one to another easily, Foxy as a go go (or Spotlight a bit further walk) or Star XIX which is adjacent to the CEC Boxing bars but just not my scene (but again its a one minute walk if that for you to pop your head in so why not). Spa wise again there is no "the" place to go. Celeb wins for me as fixed price, not rushed, familiarity, no transport issues, enough of a selection through the day more so in evening after say 7,00 pm, Farang friendly no problem at all, papasans not pushy.

Mongers want different things as far as size, age, skin tone, PSE, GFE, language, silicone, bar theme, music style, volume etc and CM is just not big enough to cover all tastes. I actually enjoy going to the CEC Boxing bars but more to play pool, have a chat with a few girls, and just generally have a relaxing fun time. I am going to enjoy myself rather than monger (not that the two are mutually exclusive). I do have one Burmese 28 year old that I take out of there maybe once a week or fn. Not a stellar body but always fun with a great attitude, after a few drinks and she is well on the way to enjoying herself. Never had a problem with her. Stop at Tesco to pick up a few items for breakfast, romp at night, wake up romp in morning, she gets up showers and cooks breakfast, I get up shower and eat breakfast. Works for me.

[Dion Cassius]

Dion / Ralph,

Sorry if this meanders a bit but thought I would cover a bit more general CM info as well as your questions.

Just a P.S. On the Sideline thing to start. Your chance with CMU (Chiang Mai University) girls are not good at all (and that is being very nice). It is the prestigious university, requires a lot of money to go there. The girls here have money, cars, fashion, rarely stray from Nimman, and eyes on a Thai sponsor / husband. If you find out the girl is going to Rajabhat or Payap your chances improve markedly, more so with Rajabhat. Even then most would prefer long term Thai sponsor. These girls need the money. At uni they will usually hang out in the Thai bars / clubs in Santitham. Post univ the CEC / Boxing bars are littered with graduates some last ditch husband hunting at 30, or kids and father Thai shot through so again not many in their early 20's). Like most of Thailand late in the month when money is short sees numbers of part timers and Line availability pick up.

Freelance wise for me is just a big no no in CM. Along the eastern inside road of the moat you will see them sitting on benches from about 10.00 pm. Not the same as Nana parking lot at all, older, bigger, below average as you go north along that road you come to younger and very much dirtier girls (after Thapae Gate). Age would be an issue here and language ability and skill level. Strictly no no with it for me. Throughout the whole length maybe a dozen tops in number.

Around the same time of night the outside Eastern road of the moat becomes lady boy freelance groups. Maybe a dozen tops in number again.

Around 11.30 at night you get a few more freelancers on Loi Kroh, less than half a dozen I suppose. These are not bar girls (they are still at work and if need baht will negotiate at bar, or go Zoe or Yellow etc). Freelancing in CM they have a greater chance of being seen by coworkers and is just not a good look. Age, looks are working against these freelancers. CM bars do no have that high a standard so if a lady freelances only in CM (as opposed to getting a Line ID from a bar girl for a day time meet) I genuinely believe that there are problems to be avoided. They are basically predatory on drunks coming out of the bars and will hang around until they think no more will come (or it gets cold or raining). A few lady boys are in this mix / area as well.

To be fair I really do not go out to Zoe at all. If Techno / Rap / Trance etc, backpackers, DJs, dancing is your thing then by all means go and have fun with pick ups the secondary aim. It's a Backpacker Digital Nomad type place as far as I am concerned and for me that just puts me off. The other thing is that Zoe and Spicy were handy when the bars closed as they were open later (Spicy sometimes till sun up) so you had a lot of bar girls going to these places after finishing up at their regular workplace. If you are aged 50 or so upwards you will stick out in the crowd That does not happen at the moment for a few reasons.

Problem post junta is that CM were closing for along time at midnight (including Zoe and Spicy) but now most bars as well as Zoe and Spicy stretch out to 1. 00 am On Loi Kroh most nights you will see the police coming round at that time to check. There are some semi lock ins but no neon lights, doors drawn, music turned down or off type scenario. No one wants to (understandably) push the envelope. Arthur has correctly mentioned that the best years of CM as a mongering venue are well gone. You can have fun for sure, but if that is your sole reason for coming to CM then there are far better destinations.

Another reason it is low season so maximum girls descending on Zoe / Spicy after their job for minimum punters, not worth the effort. The bar girls might go there very occasionally for fun but they pretty much no that nomads and backpackers = no money. You do get a fair amount of youngish Thais from Farang geared hostels, guesthouses, fast food joints, restaurants going there for fun nights out dancing and chatting and taking selfies.

Another reason is that it is now the start of the rainy season in earnest so most girls / ladies will just kick off home if they have made enough money on lady drinks for the next days food. Financial planning is not a Thai bar girl attribute. Eating is.

I do not want to be down on the CEC / Boxing complex. I go there maybe once or twice a week, usually on Sunday at the moment when it is dead quite just to have a yack with a few ladies I have known for years. It is more or less a social visit not a mongering visit. Sundays and Saturdays the bars will have fewer girls and clients. Reason being is that the tourists are usually hitting the walking street markets that occur on these nights.

As far as Go Go venue is concerned, they are all within walking distance of each other (Spotlight a bit further out). Not really my scene. The venues are a lot smaller than Bangkok and once you have seen Bangkok clubs as far as standard of girls, number of girls, music, dancing, costumes, general attitude and professionalism. , CM clubs quickly lose any appeal. Some like Spotlight, some Foxy, Star XIX have never heard anything good about. Foxy would be my pick simply because it is a short walk from the CEC Boxing bars so if no joy you can double back to the bars. I am trying not to sound negative but in CM it is just not a case that a particular go go is "the" place to go. Much like the Spas (Sayuri / Pandora / Celeb) it is pretty much the same standard so I look at other factors like how to get there, what next, is it worth the travel time to A over be etc Go Gos have very few girls dancing most times single digits, a few layers of clothing, and shuffle more than dance as far as I am concerned. Again I have experienced the odd good night, as opposed to consistently good nights in Bangkok.

IF you are staying for a brief period like a week with no Thai language skills, at this time of year (raining and low season), I would generally stick to the CEC Boxing bars as you can wander from one to another easily, Foxy as a go go (or Spotlight a bit further walk) or Star XIX which is adjacent to the CEC Boxing bars but just not my scene (but again its a one minute walk if that for you to pop your head in so why not). Spa wise again there is no "the" place to go. Celeb wins for me as fixed price, not rushed, familiarity, no transport issues, enough of a selection through the day more so in evening after say 7,00 pm, Farang friendly no problem at all, papasans not pushy.

Mongers want different things as far as size, age, skin tone, PSE, GFE, language, silicone, bar theme, music style, volume etc and CM is just not big enough to cover all tastes. I actually enjoy going to the CEC Boxing bars but more to play pool, have a chat with a few girls, and just generally have a relaxing fun time. I am going to enjoy myself rather than monger (not that the two are mutually exclusive). I do have one Burmese 28 year old that I take out of there maybe once a week or fn. Not a stellar body but always fun with a great attitude, after a few drinks and she is well on the way to enjoying herself. Never had a problem with her. Stop at Tesco to pick up a few items for breakfast, romp at night, wake up romp in morning, she gets up showers and cooks breakfast, I get up shower and eat breakfast. Works for me.Thanks a lot for your detailed presentation of the mongering scene in CM. I'll be in CM for tourism purposes: anything that will "enlighten" my free time will just be a wellcome bonus.

[Member #4591]

Dion / Ralph,

Sorry if this meanders a bit but thought I would cover a bit more general CM info as well as your questions.

Just a P.S. On the Sideline thing to start. Your chance with CMU (Chiang Mai University) girls are not good at all (and that is being very nice). It is the prestigious university, requires a lot of money to go there. The girls here have money, cars, fashion, rarely stray from Nimman, and eyes on a Thai sponsor / husband. If you find out the girl is going to Rajabhat or Payap your chances improve markedly, more so with Rajabhat. Even then most would prefer long term Thai sponsor. These girls need the money. At uni they will usually hang out in the Thai bars / clubs in Santitham. Post univ the CEC / Boxing bars are littered with graduates some last ditch husband hunting at 30, or kids and father Thai shot through so again not many in their early 20's). Like most of Thailand late in the month when money is short sees numbers of part timers and Line availability pick up.

Freelance wise for me is just a big no no in CM. Along the eastern inside road of the moat you will see them sitting on benches from about 10.00 pm. Not the same as Nana parking lot at all, older, bigger, below average as you go north along that road you come to younger and very much dirtier girls (after Thapae Gate). Age would be an issue here and language ability and skill level. Strictly no no with it for me. Throughout the whole length maybe a dozen tops in number..Your first 3 posts are great and I will use the information on my next trip. Very good. You come across like an old vet in Chiangmai. A welcome change. I'm pretty sure by the way your posts are written that you are actually already a memeber but you've had to change your handle and register again. Anyways no matter, love your posts.

[Dion Cassius]

I am just back from Chiang Mai where I stayed a week.

First of all, I am very pleased with my choice of hotel: Suriwongse on Loi Kroh road, right in the middle of the action. I didn't have to walk more than 200 meters to get to foxy lady or the girly bars.

The hotel is certified guest friendly: I brought back my catch and didn't stop at the reception desk.

It is easy to get some action but it clearly a much tamer atmosphere than Bangkok or even Phuket.

First stop, the "entertainment complex" : some good looking girls and I had a good time. I tried to barfine a cutie but she asked for 3000 THB for short time. I said I was ok for 1500 but not more and she countered with 2000. I refused and left.

Foxy Lady: huge disappointment. Two girls on stage, 4 sitting next to the podium playing with their phone, and three or four with customers (there were maybe 4 of us). An old dancer came to sit with me but I was not tempted in the least. A new set of girls started dancing and among them a looker with a perfect body. I asked for her to come to the waitress but she answered she was already with a customer. I didn't feel like staying any longer so I left without finishing my beer.

I went to Star Xix: once again, I was disappointed on arrival. 2 average looking girls on stage some others with the very few customers already there. Fortunately, a pretty one came to me, I bought her a lady drink and soon enough another one came: petite, very slim. I was quite happy but I was wondering if she was really interested because she kept coming and going (but not for dancing on stage). It was getting late and another cute girl arrived in the room, undressed in the corner and the girl who was with me said: "you like her, she's a wh_re" (at least that's what I understood). I said yes, so the girl sitting on my lap tells her to come and sit with us and 30 seconds later the new girl had her tongue in my mouth.

It was getting late and I finally barfined the last girl and we walked back to my hotel.

She did not disappoint: we undressed and immediately she started a bbj. She was very responsive and gave the impression to really enjoy the session.

I went also twice to Celeb: the first girl, a sideliner, was young and cute but the service was a bit rushed. The second time I took a regular (in the fishbowl) and she was much better. But both only provided covered blowjob.

I didn't go to Sayuri because it was further and I was lazy.

[Arthur Tick]

Last week I visited the Leelawadee Thai Massage, which is almost opposite Chiang Mai Railway station.

On the Charoen Muang Road heading from the town towards the Super highway, turn right in the Rotfal Ally, which is the Road where the railway station is. Travel down a few metres and on the right you will see the Oasis Hotel. That is it, the lower front of the of hotel is the Leelawadee Thai Massage. You can check it out on Google Street View.

Walked in and there was one old lady and another lady in her early 40's playing with her kid, a little boy. Got quoted 350 baht for an oil massage. Said OK; and the early 40's lady left her kid with the old lady and took me to the back of the shop into a semi wooden room with a sliding door. She began the so, so massage and after 20 minutes asked me if I wanted boom, boom for 1000 baht. Feeling desperate I went for it. She undressed and had the body one would expect of a 40 odd year old woman who had a kid or kids. No kissing, as cold as ice, asked me not to make any noise and could hear the kid shouting and running about outside the door. Got the deed over with, gave her the 1000 baht and paid the 350 baht massage fee outside. The whole deal lasted about 45 minutes.

So there you have it if you fancy a quick quite bang with an unattractive middle aged woman in a dumpy old massage parlour.

[Mokilok]

Hey all,

New here. Been going through a bunch of posts and have decided to check out Celeb (I'm living in the Niman area for the next 6 months so plan on checking out Ping Payom too). Anyway, this will be my first time at a soapy, hell, it will be my first time ever going to a brothel of any kind. So completely new to this, LOL.

A couple posts mentioned set prices, but other posts mentioned not asking the papasan about prices otherwise he'll raise them up. So when I go into Celebs, will the prices be listed and easy for me to see, or do I need to just assume it's something like 1400 Baht and give them the money without asking about prices?

[Arthur Tick]

Hey all,

New here. Been going through a bunch of posts and have decided to check out Celeb (I'm living in the Niman area for the next 6 months so plan on checking out Ping Payom too). Anyway, this will be my first time at a soapy, hell, it will be my first time ever going to a brothel of any kind. So completely new to this, LOL.

A couple posts mentioned set prices, but other posts mentioned not asking the papasan about prices otherwise he'll raise them up. So when I go into Celebs, will the prices be listed and easy for me to see, or do I need to just assume it's something like 1400 Baht and give them the money without asking about prices?Well, as no one yet has replied to you, I'l have a bash at it.

There are no price lists displayed in any Chiang Mai soapy so-called massage parlours.

I have heard of customers being charged from 1200 baht up to 3000 baht according to the moods of the papasans and how gullible they think a customer is. On average you should expect to pay around the 1600 baht mark, but as I said; the prices can vary greatly. These prices are meant to be for 90 minutes but I have rarely heard of anyone receiving that amount of time.

Do not expect services to be anything close to what is available in Bangkok and Pattaya. Usually no massage involved, mechanical fast and furious service with plenty of tissues involved. If BJ offered at most times the girls will insist over a condom, no BBJ. Beware if the girl offers you a second condom for a second pop, as for a second pop you will be charged double the price you were first quoted.

I have read a few good reports and bad reports regarding the CM soapies, but it's very hit and miss. All depends on your expectations. The least you expect, the least disappointed you will be.

[UsaInEurope]

L live in CM been here since early 2013 on a retirement xtn. Have a live-in TG, but she is away on biz.

I'm not that big a monger in CM, although I have done a few from the LK bars. I don't usually go for the classic monger 'stunners' anyway, so the 'look-quality' is not really an issue for me.

I like the girls to be a little on the dark and chubby side, I like big arses, and slutty by nature, the 'outlaw' ladies, the non-conformists, even within the P4 P culture, and also must have a good dirty personality.

Guess what, some of the plain jane girls are the best fucks, who woulda thought?

Also, CM is nothing like the south, but I accept that, why pine for the impossible when a return flight to BKK and a spartan but clean room (in the current downturn) both cost less than a BKK session? I'm a glass-half-full monger.

I know you are down on the scene here, and I can't really give you any 'secret venues' but PM me if you want a beer, and say what district / suburb is convenient.

The Muang is not necessarily the best place for an intro / meet beer if we both don't live there, right? .Hi Oliver -- you're my kind of guy. Darker, chubbier, dirtier -- let the "models" with crap attitudes be fought over by others. Thinking of CM over Christmas weekend. Beer on me if you'd like to oogle some ladies.

[TomsHouse]

Can someone please tell me exactly where Celeb is? Figured from posts it's somewhere just west of the river near Loi Kroh but can't narrow it down from there.

Thanks.

[Dion Cassius]

Can someone please tell me exactly where Celeb is? Figured from posts it's somewhere just west of the river near Loi Kroh but can't narrow it down from there.

Thanks.Clearly, you haven't tried very hard. Google map can help you pin point its location.

[Member #4591]

Can someone please tell me exactly where Celeb is? Figured from posts it's somewhere just west of the river near Loi Kroh but can't narrow it down from there.

Thanks.Celeb Massage Parlor.

Chang Moi, Mueang Chiang Mai District, Chiang Mai 50100.

https://goo.gl/maps/RGHyJgL7oyz

[Pita123]

My apologies people. It would appear that the Line IDs I provided in my original post for the CM Spa businesses have been deleted or edited out. I did not think about any conflict with sponsors etc perhaps or perhaps Line IDs fall under same category as an email address, or link to posts on other sites with photos, both of which are not permissible on the forum. In hindsight is my bad. And hence will not be able to provide business Line IDs.

I could provide physical address of some but this negates the basis of my post, to use the Line App to make arrangements or view choices first, in Thai language etc.If you sign up for the paid subscription you can share info via private messages.

[MadMan1112]

I'll be in CM on the 18th, wondering how available anal is. Is that something I can request at a soapy? Much appreciated. Not interested in ladyboys.

[Arthur Tick]

I'll be in CM on the 18th, wondering how available anal is. Is that something I can request at a soapy? Much appreciated. Not interested in ladyboys.Can't wait to see if or what responses you get for this question.

[Franciscass]

I'll be in CM on the 18th, wondering how available anal is. Is that something I can request at a soapy? Much appreciated. Not interested in ladyboys.I'm no expert on CM but enjoy my twice yearly visits. I've had good times at the massage shops and the odd hit at a soapy but finding anal, not something I'm particularly into, in my opinion will not be straightforward. You can request anything anytime anywhere but finding it at a soapy not very likely but go ahead ask the worse that can happen they will say no.

My suggestion would be to work the bars, buy some drinks, have a good time and let it be known this is what you are interested in and are willing to pay extra for. Then wait and see who steps forward. I feel there will be some working girls that do it but they most likely will not the prettiest or youngest.

[Rongyao]

Anyone been to a karaoke in CM recently? 2 years ago I had a good time at one but don't remember the name, just remembers that they had the best looking girls to me in one spot. Just jumped into a tuk tuk with girly pics all around and asked to go to a massage but ended up there. Had a line ID from one of the girls but I guess she closed it. Will be in CM later this month and want to see if I can find a good spot. I've heard some karaoke bars are a little risky on their tab record keeping. Read some other sites recommending cherry bay / bey, anyone been there?

[Explorer8939]

Celeb Massage Parlor.

Chang Moi, Mueang Chiang Mai District, Chiang Mai 50100.

https://goo.gl/maps/RGHyJgL7oyzLooking or something quick and easy, so I went to the Celebrities soapy, located 200 meters east of the Night Market. The fishbowl had ladies at 1500 and 1800 baht. I pulled a young 1800 baht lady, and off we went.

Once we were in the room, she got naked and she was stunning, perfect figure. She started the bath water, and gave me a Thai massage on the bed. Then I was led to the tub and given a bath, which seemed to be more for her benefit than mine. That lasted 5 minutes, and was not very stimulating, except for the girl being naked part.

Then, it was off to the bed, where I was given a covered BJ, and then she mounted me. Her position made it difficult to know if I was actually inside her, or somewhere between her legs. After a few seconds, I began to feel the stirrings of being about to cum, I tried to resist, and also I wanted to grab those titties. She responded by leaning back, I considered waiting her out and changing positions, but she was too hot, and I was too horny, and I finished. She pulled off the condom and held it up in triumph. Afterwards, she continued the massage, and then washed me down in the tub.

The tip was 200 baht.

[Arthur Tick]

I visited the SP Thai Massage in the Chang Klan Road. Oil massage 300 baht per hour. Got a plump woman, looks, 4 out of 10, asked her age, she said 34 but probably older.

After the so-called massage, which lasted about 10 minutes she asked if I wanted boom boom? I said OK but then the haggling started. How much you pay me? Offered her 1000 baht plus 300 baht massage fee. Then she said, you give me 1500 baht plus 300 baht for massage, but I stuck by my guns and told her 1300 baht inclusive, take it or leave it. She reluctantly said OK, she undressed and then again asked, can you give me 1500 baht? After that I'd had enough got bored, told her just give me a HJ because it felt impossible to feel relaxed, like being locked in a room with a high-pressure insurance salesman. She did let me finger her pussy, but no kissing. Then she began bouncing on top of me and groaning making out she was hot, but in-fact it was just her way of trying to get it over with a. S. a. P. In the end I helped myself while fingering her pussy. Whole deal lasted about 35 minutes. This was a couple of weeks ago, not been back since. These women are greedy, if received a decent service I would probably become a regular customer.

So there you have it, if fancying a quickie while having your head done in to give money, then try the SP Thai Massage.

Chang Klan Road, Chiang Mai, Thailand. Google map Coordinates 18.767369 - 98.999704.

[Lew Ashby]

This was the first stop of my 2nd trek through Thailand (Pattaya and Bangkok to follow) I'the honestly recommend fellow mongerers to save their capital for Pattaya / Bangkok! Just enjoy the great food (Cooking Love) and cheap clean massages (massages by ex prisoners).

Not much to say here, landed early evening and got some dinner. Stopped into Spotlight Agogo Christmas eve and was surprised by the amount of girls in there and few amount of dudes. Well not really it is Christmas eve, ha. Had a drink and surveyed what was available. #99 quickly caught my eye as she was a solid 8. When she got off the stage she immediately went to a customer so I did not bother. Bought some chicks for a few other girls, but nothing else really did it for me. We left. I guess I'm sleeping alone Christmas eve.

[Lew Ashby]

Stopped into Celeb Massage on the way to dinner, a couple lookers in there, but nothing that made me want to shell out the cash for it. Stopped into Foxy Lady around 11:30 and there were hardly any ladies in there. To Spotlight we went. Again nothing caught my eye. There were also a lot more dudes in there so we had a couple drinks and left. Walking back to the hotel down Loi Kroh Road, we happened to see a couple cute girls outside of the boxing beer bars. I made contact and at first they appeared to motion us away and crossed the road. We continued to walk and I gave another look and they motioned us to follow. OK I'll play the game. They lead us into My Tirak bar. Bought them drinks, stated what we wanted, agreed to 4000 LT, and off we went. As this happened 3 weeks ago, nothing really stands out. The girl (porn? Purn?) was shy in that she preferred to shower alone and came out with a towel on despite a pretty nice body. She was quite intimate during the session in terms of maintaining eye contact. Pounded her out twice and sent her on her way.

[Lew Ashby]

Our last night in Chiang Mai was a bit of a disaster. Didn't even bother with Spotlight, but walked through the beer bars. Our intention was to try a different one, but my buddies girl saw him when we were walking by outside and dragged him in. I saw my girl from the night before with a customer and another girl caught my eye from last night (Joy) so I figured I would go that route. OK, I knew better than to try and pull 2 girls from the same bar, but f it, I am only there one more night. Porn ended up coming up to me so I bought her a drink, but she was quite drunk and rotating between 2 guys. I wasn't going to try and get involved with that and the session was not that memorable anyway. Well long story short, Joy was playing pool with some other customers but I bought her drinks anyway. She came over and we talked terms same 4000 LT, great. An error here on my part was that we didn't really have much rapport and she did not seem that interested in me. Why did I keep buying her drinks? So the bar is closing down and the girls want to go to some other bar across the street that stays open past the closing time. I saw Joy and Porn talking about something and asked Joy about it and she said it was nothing. Well it turns out that Porn told her I paid her 4000 short time the night before! When we got back to the hotel Joy demanded the 4000 up front for short time! Get the f out of town. They walked out, good riddance.

The session probably would've sucked anyway, this money will be utilized much better in Patts.

[Arthur Tick]

Stopped into Celeb Massage on the way to dinner, a couple lookers in there, but nothing that made me want to shell out the cash for it. Stopped into Foxy Lady around 11:30 and there were hardly any ladies in there. To Spotlight we went. Again nothing caught my eye. There were also a lot more dudes in there so we had a couple drinks and left. Walking back to the hotel down Loi Kroh Road, we happened to see a couple cute girls outside of the boxing beer bars. I made contact and at first they appeared to motion us away and crossed the road. We continued to walk and I gave another look and they motioned us to follow. OK I'll play the game. They lead us into My Tirak bar. Bought them drinks, stated what we wanted, agreed to 4000 LT, and off we went. As this happened 3 weeks ago, nothing really stands out. The girl (porn? Purn?) was shy in that she preferred to shower alone and came out with a towel on despite a pretty nice body. She was quite intimate during the session in terms of maintaining eye contact. Pounded her out twice and sent her on her way.4000 baht for LT. Are you serious? I assume there would has been a bar fine plus drinks on top of that. You could have hired a top class escort for that amount of money. Sorry pal you were ripped off.

[Tibedoh]

Hi everyone,

New here. Where would I go in CM to find really beautiful, stunning girls? Willing to pay reasonable amount, not looking for cheap HJ. Also I don't drink and don't like the whole bar scene, just looking for quality.

Thanks everyone for tips in advance!

[Arthur Tick]

Hi everyone,

New here. Where would I go in CM to find really beautiful, stunning girls? Willing to pay reasonable amount, not looking for cheap HJ. Also I don't drink and don't like the whole bar scene, just looking for quality.

Thanks everyone for tips in advance!I doubt you will find this in Chiang Mai. I think CM has become the HJ capital of the world at FS prices.

Sometimes one maybe lucky to find a looker at one of the soapy so-called massage establishments, but hit and miss and the services are very mechanical, fast and furious. Besides them very little else available, if anything.

There are online escort agencies but most of those operate from outside of Chiang Mai and if requiring an escort they usually send one up from Bangkok at the customers expense, they also demand payments upfront, which means once paid the girls have achieved their objectives that is to get the money then after that whether a customer gets value for his money or not is again hit and miss. Expect to pay ridiculous prices for an escort service.

Otherwise, no, you won't find what you're looking for in Chiang Mai.

[Tibedoh]

I doubt you will find this in Chiang Mai. I think CM has become the HJ capital of the world at FS prices.

Sometimes one maybe lucky to find a looker at one of the soapy so-called massage establishments, but hit and miss and the services are very mechanical, fast and furious. Besides them very little else available, if anything.

There are online escort agencies but most of those operate from outside of Chiang Mai and if requiring an escort they usually send one up from Bangkok at the customers expense, they also demand payments upfront, which means once paid the girls have achieved their objectives that is to get the money then after that whether a customer gets value for his money or not is again hit and miss. Expect to pay ridiculous prices for an escort service.

Otherwise, no, you won't find what you're looking for in Chiang Mai.Thanks, what's the best soapy place in Chiang Mai to try, if I'm looking for prettier girls, better service and price is not main concern? I read there are 5 of them in the city. Celeb seems popular here, but has mixed reviews. Is Sayuri a good place to check? Also what time of the day should I go to get better selection of girls?

[Popper1]

Just a quick report on Chiang Mai. First time ever, and there for five days, two on business, three to blow. Figured I'd check out the scene. But, where to begin. Gee, how about the ISG. Duh!

The hotel I stayed at was family friendly, no bar gals allowed. Cost was 900 baht / night, but would not recommend it on this board. Downloaded CM notes from the ISG and read. Mentioned was the Imperial Mae Ping Hotel. OK, walked there, about 20 minutes walk from my hotel. Lots of action around there. Found a night scene, MPs, bars, and gals certainly were friendly enough.

First MP I went to was across from the Shangri-La (a rather expensive hotel), and I just assumed it was legit. Boy, I assumed wrong. Got the oil massage for 250 baht, and was taken to the end of the hallway to a nice size bed. Cool. There was no one inside the place except for me and her. Soon she offered 500 be for a HJ, 1000 for a BJ. We compromised and I paid 1000 baht in total for a hand job with her top off. Nice job. Second MP was between Mae Ping Hotel and Foxy Lady. Again, pretty much the same, 800 total for the HJ and massage, and again, I was the only person in the MP, no other customers. Third was down the street from Mae Ping on Loi Kroh Rd. She took off her top HJ, and nice time, recall damages was 800 baht. It was the only MP that had other customers. She made it clear that she'd be happy to spend the evening with me, which unfortunately I could not since I was leaving next morning to BKK (where I am now).

Visited Foxy Lady and got a 90 baht ice tea and spent figure 60 minutes there. Majority of the talent, below my standards. Three gals looked very nice. Rest were OK. I didn't even ask about BF or LDs, wasn't interested in either. Spoke to a guy who'd been living in CM for years, and he said nearly all the talent has been working at Foxy Lady for over five years, and reminisced the days when the talent was fresh.

In brief, based upon my first trip to CM for just a few days, I'd say good food, and things to do, buy (the night market is very cool). There a gym there costing 60 baht / day. Yes it had a small night scene, bar beers, MPs. BJs are HJs I suspect are available in nearly all the MPs w / a hot oil massage in the 800 - 1500 baht range. There could be a lot more there, but that was all I saw in the short time I was there. I could see spending a week or two there, perhaps. Or not.

Now need to RTFF for BKK updates.

--Popper

BTW: I took these pictures w/ my iPhone. Why are they sideways ... strange.

[Arthur Tick]

Thanks, what's the best soapy place in Chiang Mai to try, if I'm looking for prettier girls, better service and price is not main concern? I read there are 5 of them in the city. Celeb seems popular here, but has mixed reviews. Is Sayuri a good place to check? Also what time of the day should I go to get better selection of girls?They're all a much of muchness, meaning roughly about the same. They all have mixed reviews, no standard pricing, heard of customers being changed from 1200 baht to 3000 baht depending on how much they think a customer will pay. The service is fast, furious, mechanical and rarely is there any massage involved. Lookers are few and far between. Suppose to be a 90 minute service but no one ever gets that. Celebs used to be located at the Chiang Mai 2000 hotel that was so, so.

The Sayuri is meant to be the most popular, but I've heard they really try it on with the prices in there, also as it's busy, the odds are the girl you'll choose will have already been poked by several cocks before it's your turn and won't have much enthusiasm. Best times to visit, hard to tell. It's just the luck of the draw whether you will get a good one or not that is fresh and has the energy to perform.

I gave up on them years ago, definitely not good value for money anymore.

[Arthur Tick]

Just a quick report on Chiang Mai. First time ever, and there for five days, two on business, three to blow. Figured I'd check out the scene. But, where to begin. Gee, how about the ISG. Duh!

The hotel I stayed at was family friendly, no bar gals allowed. Cost was 900 baht / night, but would not recommend it on this board. Downloaded CM notes from the ISG and read. Mentioned was the Imperial Mae Ping Hotel. OK, walked there, about 20 minutes walk from my hotel. Lots of action around there. Found a night scene, MPs, bars, and gals certainly were friendly enough.

First MP I went to was across from the Shangri-La (a rather expensive hotel), and I just assumed it was legit. Boy, I assumed wrong. Got the oil massage for 250 baht, and was taken to the end of the hallway to a nice size bed. Cool. There was no one inside the place except for me and her. Soon she offered 500 be for a HJ, 1000 for a BJ. We compromised and I paid 1000 baht in total for a hand job with her top off. Nice job. Second MP was between Mae Ping Hotel and Foxy Lady. Again, pretty much the same, 800 total for the HJ and massage, and again, I was the only person in the MP, no other customers. Third was down the street from Mae Ping on Loi Kroh Rd. She took off her top HJ, and nice time, recall damages was 800 baht. It was the only MP that had other customers. She made it clear that she'd be happy to spend the evening with me, which unfortunately I could not since I was leaving next morning to BKK (where I am now).

Visited Foxy Lady and got a 90 baht ice tea and spent figure 60 minutes there. Majority of the talent, below my standards. Three gals looked very nice. Rest were OK. I didn't even ask about BF or LDs, wasn't interested in either. Spoke to a guy who'd been living in CM for years, and he said nearly all the talent has been working at Foxy Lady for over five years, and reminisced the days when the talent was fresh.

In brief, based upon my first trip to CM for just a few days, I'd say good food, and things to do, buy (the night market is very cool). There a gym there costing 60 baht / day. Yes it had a small night scene, bar beers, MPs. BJs are HJs I suspect are available in nearly all the MPs w / a hot oil massage in the 800 - 1500 baht range. There could be a lot more there, but that was all I saw in the short time I was there. I could see spending a week or two there, perhaps. Or not.

Now need to RTFF for BKK updates.

--Popper

BTW: I took these pictures w/ my iPhone. Why are they sideways ... strange.Mostly all the massage parlours in and around the city are offering HJs now, that's because business has become so bad that the staff need to provide extras to supplement their low incomes. In the Loi Kroh Road I've had reports of female staff demanding 1500 baht for a so-called quicky massage and HJ and some are quite aggressive, if not wanting a HJ the girls soon lose interest in the massage and many refuse to take no for an answer. So I stay well clear of those places.

The 3 main CM bars, Foxy Lady, Spotlight and Star Six have become over priced complete dumps, I lost interest in those too, no longer find them appealing in the least.

I am one of the guys like the guy you met, who has lived in CM for several years and have experienced better days on the CM mongering scene.

[Space Ace]

I spent 10 days in Chiang Mai back in November, and I'm only now writing this because I just signed up to the forum. For reference, I'm a white dude and speak no Thai, but that didn't seem to get in the way of anything, and never even had to use my phone to translate. I spent most of my time on Loi Kroh road. The first six days I stayed at Hotel Montha. I highly recommend it at $19 per night, guest friendly, and very nice clean rooms. Bed was a little hard but I was drinking enough that it it didn't matter! The other four nights were at Duangtawan Hotel, which was also nice and guest friendly, but it was $50 per night so Montha was a much better deal.

As for mongering, I got four oil massages at 250 baht, and all but one pressured me into HJ with no offers for anything else. The first two were great 45 massages, they asked about HJ, haggling, ending up at 1000 baht including the massage. The last one was two girls as I was drunkenly walking back to my hotel at 3 am, 750 baht each, 30 minute massage, HJ, tits out, groping.

I had mixed results with bar girls. The first night I was there I went out right at midnight when everything was closing, so I didn't have many options. I ended up with a petite older lady, 1500 baht for short time. She was 42 but still had a nice tight body. I took her to my hotel and I popped fast, like five minutes. In my defense it was my first time with an escort, I was stone sober, and she knew what she was doing. She was disappointed so after a little DATY we went for round 2 which ended with BBBJ. I tipped her 200 baht which she seemed very happy with. Overall a great first experience! Next time was a street girl who someone later told me was trans, but I didn't care because if she was she was post-op and I couldn't tell the difference. They could have been wrong though. Anyway, 1000 baht and I couldn't pop after about 30 minutes and I just kinda got bored so I have up. She was kinda disappointed too, she really seemed to want to please me. I assured her it was all good, I was very drunk, and gave her 1200 baht. The next time a girl dragged me into a bar on Loi Kroh Rd, I had one Chang, and asked if she wanted to split. She said 2000 baht, I said 1500, and we left. In my hotel she asked that I pay first, which I did, but I should have known that was a bad sign. After about 15 minutes of BBBJ I tried to fuck her and she refused. BJ only. I was pissed and couldn't pop, and she finally just left. With full payment. Never pay first! The other time was a super hot alt-looking chick with purple contacts and covered in tattoos. We agreed on 1500 plus 500 bar fine and she came back to my hotel. She was definitely the best fuck I had on my whole trip with the bonus of a nice soapy shower afterwards.

I went to Celebs soapy three times (I'd heard good things, and it was walking distance from my hotels). There are two groups of girls in the fish tank, one side was younger (18-25) with less experience, and higher priced at 1800 baht. The other side was mostly older (25-40?) but the host said they're better at massage and they were 1400 baht. The first time I picked a gorgeous young girl from the expensive side. Everything was very mechanical, massage was non-existent, and she just didn't seem to be into it at all. Second time I sat there for about 5 minutes and really didn't see anyone I wanted to hook up with, so I left. The host was totally cool with this. The third time I picked a nice looking girl, maybe 30, from the cheaper side. She was very attentive, gave a great quick massage while we were waiting for the tub to fill up, nice rubbing in the tub, and pretty great boom boom. I would go back there, but the hosts were right. The higher priced side has prettier girls, but the lower priced side has much better service.

I had the best experiences at Absolute Paradise Spa. This is a body-to-body oil massage place with 90 minutes at 1400 baht for most girls, 1600 for some, or 2000 for two girls, all including HJ. I went there four times, and I wish I had gone more. They bring out a lineup of all of the girls working at the time. I think there were 6, 3, 5, and 1 girls the times I went. There are some beautiful girls here. I think they were all under 25, nice bodies, very pretty faces. They start with a soapy shower with lots of awesome body-to-body rubbing. Then you move to the bed for nuru-style body-to-body oily rubbing and HJ. The standout thing here is they actually do the full 90 minutes and I popped twice every time. The first time was with probably the most gorgeous girl I saw in Thailand. She didn't offer any extras and I didn't ask, but round 2 in a 69 DATY while getting HJ was plenty good for me! I gave her a 500 baht tip because I thought the 2 pops was worth it. Second girl wasn't as pretty, but still great. She offered sex for 2000 baht that I declined, and CBJ for 500 that I accepted because I was probably going to tip her 500 anyway. The third time I picked two girls which was a lot of fun because there was a lot of laughing and joking, but still 100% attention on me. One of the girls jokingly asked about going out to dinner afterwards and I'm still kicking myself for not trying to meet her outside the spa. There was definitely a language barrier though since I don't speak Thai. The last time was amazing. There was only one girl to choose from and she was 1600 baht, but she was super hot so I had no problem with that. She was very pretty, tall (probably 5'9), banging body, and fake tits, though I'm pretty indifferent about that. Her name was Champagne, and unfortunately she's the only one I remember her name. Anyway, after the usual routine, pop once from HJ, second HJ is taking a while and she says, "you want fuck?" I asked how much, 1000 baht, and we were off to the races. She was a pretty great performer and it didn't take long for #2.

That's about all I remember. I had a fantastic trip and ate some of the best food in my life, and will definitely be going back.

[AmPervert]

I spent 10 days in Chiang Mai back in NovemberThanks for the excellent in depth report. I had wanted to check out Chiang Mai but I didn't want to go sexless for days either. This convinced me to go.

[Space Ace]

Thanks for the excellent in depth report. I had wanted to check out Chiang Mai but I didn't want to go sexless for days either. This convinced me to go.Going sexless would be tough, the bar girls can be very aggressive on Loi Kroh Rd! Just make sure to discuss what you want before you leave the bar. In addition to my one BJ only experience, there were a few more who I talked to who told me "no boom boom" and were BJ only. It always cost a drink or two to find that out, but it's better than being really disappointed in the room!

[Admin2]

I spent 10 days in Chiang Mai back in NovemberThanks for joining and posting such a detailed report. I want to go to Chaing Mai. I do have a question though, you tipped everybody, was there a reason for it? I'm asking because I'm curious if tipping is the norm in Chaing Mai (I want to check it out myself) because it's not here in BKK. If any of the older hands care to share I would like to know before I go.

[Franciscass]

That's about all I remember. I had a fantastic trip and ate some of the best food in my life, and will definitely be going back.Loved this post.

So much negative stuff about nothing worth mentioning in Chiang Mai. Goes to show with managed expectations and a happy go lucky positive attitude you can have a good time there.

On my trips sure it's not Bangkok but I've always found it enjoyably worthwhile mostly with visits to the massage shops and the odd encounter from the bars.

I enjoy the more laid back vibe of the place and rarely find the girls aggressive.

Agree with the need to check on what you're getting for your money and not paying upfront but that's holds true everywhere.

[Eagle1987]

Hi guys,

Eagle here. I'm travelling to Chiang mae next month. I would like to know if Thai friendly app is worth using for dating. My PM is active.

[SirWilliam4]

Hi guys,

Eagle here. I'm travelling to Chiang mae next month. I would like to know if Thai friendly app is worth using for dating. My PM is active.Lots of ladies there. Go for it.

SW4.

[Space Ace]

Thanks for joining and posting such a detailed report. I want to go to Chaing Mai. I do have a question though, you tipped everybody, was there a reason for it? I'm asking because I'm curious if tipping is the norm in Chaing Mai (I want to check it out myself) because it's not here in BKK. If any of the older hands care to share I would like to know before I go.I'm not sure if it's the norm, I had heard that you can get extras from tipping. I actually didn't tip everyone, only those who I felt went beyond what we agreed to, like MSOG.

[Zman429]

Hi guys,

Eagle here. I'm travelling to Chiang mae next month. I would like to know if Thai friendly app is worth using for dating. My PM is active.Yes and so is Tinder you can try it for free and pay if you want to continue. They just make you wait for 10 minutes to send each message if its in free mode.

[MissionBJ]

After reading a lot about celeb on this forum went there and everything was almost as mentioned in the forum. There were two sides cheaper side which was brightly lit up and expensive side which was kind of dark. The cheaper side had around 8-10 ladies while expensive side had 6 only. The cheaper side ladies looked like trans and therefore didn't want to try it. Went for expensive side where there were 3 ladies waving at me but I really liked the one in black who wasn't waving and was looking at her phone. She was wearing nice black outfit. So I chose her, went to the desk and paid, there is absolutely no bargains. But The prices I think are pretty reasonable specially where unlike Bangkok you don't have to tip the papasan. While the payment is done (they also accept credit cards) you turn around the girl is already waiting at the elevator. The girl puts your arms around her in the elevator. Once you reach the floor with the rooms, she asks you, if you want to use restrooms, which I recommend doing so, as there are no attached toilets in the room. And all that action you get on jhonny, its always better to [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) first before you go. So we go in this room as usual asked if you want a drink, to which I said yes we both get a beer. Sometimes drinking is better as by the time bath tub fills up you get to chat a bit and also get a little kissing and groping action sort of GFE. The drinks are bit expensive which I learned later when the bill came. After that both get naked nice massaging and BBBJ in the bath tub, after which they take you to bed with so called be. S Massage. Immediately after which she was on her knees begging for Doggy Style then she on top and finish with missionary. She was also moaning loudly the whole time which I am sure was fake. But was good for the jonny's ego I guess lolz.

Overall had a decent time and was satisfied enough to go back.

[RominRomeo]

Hi guys,

Eagle here. I'm travelling to Chiang mae next month. I would like to know if Thai friendly app is worth using for dating. My PM is active.Very much so.

I had visited Pattaya few moths ago and banged a few hotties off TF. I even bought a premiummembership for this purpose for one month.

You need to hunt a bit though. My experience is about 10-20% will respond. Be polite, they know what you are up to mostly. Pm me if you want more details. I practically crawled WS!

Cheers and have a blast.

[UsaInEurope]

You are the most stubborn member on the board I think. If nothing else, you conveniently left out We Chat which will be full of freelancers and all the others you came up with an excuse why you don't want to use them or can't use them or can't see anything. So up to you, continue posting this dribble about there not being any Chiangmai freelancers for what? When I'm there next month, I will post screenshots of We Chat for you to see. Will that convince you?I really struggle with We Chat. I'm fine on other apps (PinaLove, etc.) but this just never seems to work for me. What is your technique?

[MissionBJ]

Well as you read my last post. I was satisfied with cleb, so went back the next day. This time they remembered me and asked If I wanted the same girl as the night before (but she wasn't sitting in the line up). I said No, as I really liked this chick in the expensive side lineup and as a plus she was waving hard at me. Bingo! Went to the same process. Went to the room. But to my surprise this room was a bit darkly lit compared to the one I had night before. So I asked her to change the room, she was bit surprised at first but I was able to make her understand through google translator. She called by downstairs and within minutes, she took me to other room which had a better lighting. So we start the same process all over mentioned in older post. Same exact things just a different girl. This girl was bit more friendlier than the last one and of course was better looking. I asked her if there were any trans in the cheaper line up, to which she said no. And she showed me the street outside window where it was full of trans. She told me that's where you find trans not here.

Overall it was value for money. When and in Chiang Mai would definitely go back.

[JasonMaxed]

First MP I went to was across from the Shangri-La (a rather expensive hotel), and I just assumed it was legit. Boy, I assumed wrong. Got the oil massage for 250 baht, and was taken to the end of the hallway to a nice size bed. Cool. There was no one inside the place except for me and her. Soon she offered 500 be for a HJ, 1000 for a BJ. We compromised and I paid 1000 baht in total for a hand job with her top off. Hey Popper,

Nice mini stories, actually I was looking at 2 massage place opposite Shang' the other day, one a tall red building 'Plearn Massage'? And another minor parlour to the right of it, do you know which one are you mentioning here?

[NicFrenchy]

The cheaper side had around 8-10 ladies while expensive side had 6 only. The cheaper side ladies looked like trans and therefore didn't want to try it.Great reviews!!

I can safely say that you will never find a ladyboy in regular soapy / oily establishments in LOS, and if they have ladyboys, they will tell upfront.

Thais in the P4 P industry will lie about a lot of things but I have yet to see a proper establishment try and deceive its customers.

If there is one thing you need to be worried about, it's the age of girls. If they look really young, just be careful, some may be under 18 and my advice is to give them a pass (just learn Thai years and count back when they show you the ID).

[ScaredOfLuv]

I'll be in CM on the 18th, wondering how available anal is. Is that something I can request at a soapy? Much appreciated. Not interested in ladyboys.I'm here in CM now 1st visit staying 3 days.

[Adaptivia]

Any pharmacies here offering the kamagra or sidegra?

I was recommended peera, but visited today and she said it's not available.

[Tsunami]

I've been living in Santitam for a while, it's a nice area not far from everything. One day, I walk around and see this new place. It's called Daisuki or something.

The logo looked a bit different from the usual boring Thai massage pictures with a lady laying down and massage fingers on her back that you see everywhere in Chiang Mai, they all copy that from the internet. So I decide to go in.

A beautiful receptionist greets me in perfect English. I ask her if the place is for massage, stupid question of course, that was already written on the outside.

She says yes, hands me the menu. This is not the usual menu I see everywhere, my intuition was right, this is a different place.

This is our best-seller the girl says: Gogo-nutz massage.

What the hack is that? I ask. She turns the page and there is an explanation. The Gogo-nutz massage makes most men go nuts.

I laugh, well give me that, I say. Did you think of that yourself? She smiles.

A few girls show up, I can choose. Great, I hate to be allocated a plumb ugly girl. I choose Nit, but she has another booking soon. I ask if the receptionist is available, but she says she's the owner. So Ploy it is, if I remember correctly. She is not very beautiful, just cute, but I want to get a feel about what this place is about.

She takes me to a private room, we pass curtain rooms but we don't go in there.

I undress and lay down on my belly as if it's an oil massage.

She comes back in and starts to massage my legs. The massage is so so, but there is something about it that makes it quite pleasant. The softness of her hands? The slow approaching of my scrotum? The hesitation turn when she reaches my ass?

I start to get a hard-on. Now, her hands accidentally hit my boner, my balls, when she tries to reach my inner leg. I get even harder.

With every move, she does something that makes me want more. First I relax and sleep with the stroke of her hands on my legs, then she wakes him up by accident. I love it.

Now she puts a pillow under my knee. To reach the muscles on the other side, she says.

I wonder which muscles.

Her hands come dangerously close to my scrotum, then at the next move, touch it.

By this time, I'm getting quite excited. This is different from the 30 min massage without any feeling and 10 min 'do you want special' that I'm used to.

When she finally fully touches my cock, I have trouble not to come.

But she keeps going, and doesn't force me to ejaculate.

Can you sit like a dog? She asks.

Surprised, I say I'm not gay.

Not for gay, she says, so I sit up.

She now grabs my dick full on from behind, in between my legs, and I love it. I didn't realize I love it. With every stroke, she also touches my ass. I'm sure I'm not gay but somehow this feels good.

I almost come again, but she stops and let me turn over.

The rest of the handjob happens slow and careful, screwdriver movements, one hand stroking my balls the other around my stem, like a gun ready to be fired off.

When I finally come it's a fountain and a great relief.

Gogo-nutz massage. Did I go nuts? Well, maybe not yet, but then it was good. I normally go for full sex, but this type of very slow massage has it benefits.

Worthwhile to try.

Shop is in Santitam, near a 7 Eleven, forgot the name of the street. Basically walk from the Ram hospital straight on, and turn left at the first 7 Eleven.