Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand [Archive] - Page 10

PinkPearl

03-25-17, 20:52

I have received BBBJs from by now at least 500+ different girls in Bangkok, most of them P4 P girls like go-go girls, beer bar girls, FLs, blowjob bargirls, etc. , over the past nearly 5 years living here and not contracted gono or anything else from it. As a matter of fact, I have also engaged in BBFS with even more different girls in Bangkok, also most of them being P4 P as above, during that same time period and haven't contracted anything from doing that either. I get a blood check for HIV and STIs from Thai Red Cross every 2-3 months, have also had a few more thorough blood checks fairly recently and have never come up infected with anything whatsoever. Not boasting or encouraging anyone else to behave as I do. Just replying to the question based on my personal experience regarding this topic.People whose ancestors came from certain parts of the earth may have full or partial immunity from HIV and other diseases.

Circumcision also offers protection from some STIs, especially HIV.

The length of sex sessions would be another factor. Five seconds of bareback sex is not nearly as risky as 5 hours of it.

STIs are not the only issue with condom free intercourse. Many are concerned about a pregnancy. That's where being an expert at practicing withdrawal or coitus interruptus could help.

PinkPearl

04-02-17, 22:11

"4. You can find out if you are one of very few people who is almost completely immune to HIV. "

"An extremely small percentage of people (fewer than 1 per cent) are almost completely immune to HIV. There are companies that offer genetic testing to see if you have the particular genetic mutation that may make you immune, but the practice is controversial. In November, 2013, the USA Food and Drug Administration prohibited a California company, 23 and Me Inc. , from marketing its at-home DNA testing device because of concerns over "the public health consequences of inaccurate results. " In Canada, you can order a testing kit from Delta-32 in downtown Toronto for $199. "

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/world-aids-day-nine-things-you-should-know-about-hiv-in-canada/article21841352/

Syzygies

04-03-17, 10:05

EihTooms

04-03-17, 14:18

People whose ancestors came from certain parts of the earth may have full or partial immunity from HIV and other diseases.

Circumcision also offers protection from some STIs, especially HIV.

The length of sex sessions would be another factor. Five seconds of bareback sex is not nearly as risky as 5 hours of it.

STIs are not the only issue with condom free intercourse. Many are concerned about a pregnancy. That's where being an expert at practicing withdrawal or coitus interruptus could help.Getting a vasectomy many years ago was one of the best decisions I ever made for the sake of my sanity, financial well-being, and a life of barebacking pleasure with at least that last issue you mentioned pretty much off the table.

IMO, any man considering launching into a life of non exclusive bareback sexual activities ought to add getting a vasectomy to the list of simple, easy, considerate and prudent preparations for it along with being circumsized, always having in your possession a current (within 2-3 months) clean blood check document for the biggies, keeping things welll lubed either naturally or from the drug store, avoiding sexual sessions that could possibly break the skin of you or your partner (s), avoiding unprotected receptive anal sex, washing your genitals with warm soapy water soon after finishing rather than just rolling over and drifting off to sleep, etc.

Anyone have other such recommendations to include?

Eszpresszo

04-03-17, 17:02

I think this is a timely topic for any forum, but since Thailand is the only nation that has a thread devoted to safe sex, I thought this would be good enough of a place to post this. Notice there is no safe sex thread on the Philippines forum?

If you are bigger than average, you are not at a big advantage unless you are barebacking white women with their big size pussies. This sort of activity however, is the basis for the western nuclear family, which most of us are familiar with. I'm past that stage of my life, thank you, and now devoted to brown tiny, twats for hire from Asia and LatAm. But, I digress. Another con with being bigger than average is less choice among the premium condoms of the world. As we should all know, when the condom is too small, your sensation is reduced (contrary to what one might think) and the risk of breakage is higher. In fact, a lot of breakage could be largely attributed to too small of a fit along with lack of proper lube.

It has been noted that the size Large Okamoto 0.02 is too small for the average farang. That said, its important to note that Japanese products marketed to Asian customers, are sized in relation to Asian proportion. Some time back, I read an article written by a "gaijin" living in Japan, where he documented his search for condoms (he didn't speak the language yet and didn't know where to start looking). At the end of his Odyssey, he found that Japanese condoms don't come in a size "medium" or "small". They were always Large, Larger or Extra Large (in Japanese terminology). What is large to them might be too snug for the average gaijin / farang / bule. That said, we need to up the size a few levels for our own needs.

I tried the Okamoto XL Big Boy last February in the DR, and found it a bit snug. However, I was able to drop my load and have a satisfying orgasm in a small Dominica (who was surprisingly snug for a woman who claimed to have two children). I continued my field testing in the DR, using the Kimono Maxx for the first time, as well as my old standby, Kimono Microthin Large (a quality Japanese condom widely available in the US). However, you have other factors involved here, such as the amount of alcohol involved and the women on the receiving end.

Back home, I started to consider my other options and looked online. Sadly, the best selection is on eBay, not from retail vendors stateside. I was once able to find the Sagami Large at Whole Foods, but now they are only available online through third party vendors, and they are expensive because they can't be found in small quantities. Sagami Large seemed to have fit me pretty well last time I used them, but that was also in the early 90's when my GF was off the pill for some reason.

I ordered the Okamoto Mega Big Boy from a reliable eBay vendor in Lithuania, that I've used before. Now when you see the phrase "Mega Big Boy", and a photo of an elephant on the box, you are thinking John Holmes proportions. Guess again. It was a quiet afternoon and I decided to do a more scientific comparison. I popped one of those 50 MG Sildenafilo I bought in Colombia last year, grabbed a bottle of coconut oil from the cubbard, cued up an episode of Asian Street Meat on my PC and pulled out the MEGA Big Boy, the Kimono Microthin Large, the MAXX, and a Big Boy XL. Now we're cooking with grease! Yeah, I know this seems gross to you, but the things we do for science. And at least I had a controlled test environment, with a clear, sober head, and no distractions of "leche papi" or "Senor, I need more money to buy Pampers for my baby!

As I recalled, the Big Boy XL, which comes in a box with a horse on it, was a bit too snug, and my test confirmed it. Sensation is good, but still a bit snug at the base. Extra large for the Japanese man, perhaps. Note that this condom is translucent black, which elicited a giggle from the dark, creole Dominica who was on the receiving end last February. The Kimono MicroThin Large was as always, bordering on snug, but gets the job done. This is my standard condom, which I 've used in every place I've mongered in recently (Berlin, Medellin, Thailand, the DR). Now for the the Kimono MAXX is snug at the base, but has a flare at the top, which actually should increase the sensation. I do recall using it to success on a small "rubia" in Santo Domino recently, but that was after quite a few drinks. It was a bit disappointing this time. I will not use again.

Finally, I whipped out the Mega Big Boy. Unlike the XL, it is not black, but a typical off-white tint. To my delight. It slid on easily and didn't feel too snug. The MegaBig Boy didn't look like I had a tight sausage casing on my dick. It was snug enough to stay in place, but had a nice flare at the top with elbow room for the glans. The feel was good even though this was not the thinnest product from Okamoto. It is still "Sheerlon" like the "Beyond Seven" series you see in the US. I think I will order some more and do more field testing on my next outing (which won't be till the end of the year, sadly).

I plan to check out the Trojan Magnum "Bareskin", which has gotten very good reviews from men who are larger than average. In fact, better reviews than any other domestic US product I've researched. I also used the SKYN Large condoms, which are made from polyisoprene. I had good experiences with it with my ex-wife, the Hungarian princess with the snug twat. Post divorce, I used it mongering in Medellin and Berlin, next to the Kimono MicroThin. After that, I didn't care for it that much compared to the Kimono product. Also, the SKYN has an unpleasant taste apparently. In Medellin, where CBJ is standard, a gorgeous girl I chose at Energia, went down on it only to pull her head back and make a funny face, and pick up the wrapper of the condom to understand what she has just been mouthing. She indicated it had a bad taste, but continued the BJ only to hurry on to her standard Medellin Cowgirl routine. I switched to the Kimono after that, and no girls complained about the taste. Then again, few girls in other places wanted to do a covered BJ.

Anybody else have other suggestions? Other experiences? What do we have to do to get a Okamoto. 001 in a Mega Big Boy Size?

PinkPearl

04-04-17, 02:31

I this really worthwhile, given that 99% are not going to get the Immune result? If I am going to put down $200 on a long shot, I would like a massive payout for the win.

HIV cases per year in Thailand have dropped a lot over the years. Still a bit of a risk for long term hookers.It depends on one's bankroll & how motivated they are. I'd take it just out of curiosity, let alone the potentially huge STI & safe sex ramifications. An extra 200 bucks in my bank account on the day I die is probably not going to matter. The problem is, where, if anywhere, in the world can one get the test done?

"People with two copies of the CCR5 delta32 gene (inherited from both parents) are virtually immune to HIV infection. This occurs in about 1% of Caucasian people. ".

"One copy of CCR5-delta32 seems to give some protection against infection, and makes the disease less severe if infection occurs. This is more common, it is found in up to 20% of Caucasians. ".

http://genetics.thetech.org/original_news/news13

I think this is a timely topic for any forum, but since Thailand is the only nation that has a thread devoted to safe sex, I thought this would be good enough of a place to post this. Notice there is no safe sex thread on the Philippines forum?The PI safe sex thread was up when I looked a few minutes ago. Not sure about other nations, but one can always be created. Though one may have to be a paying member to have that privilege.

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Greetings Everyone,

Senior Members can start new threads.

Thanks,

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Syzygies

04-04-17, 06:51

Finally, I whipped out the Mega Big Boy. Unlike the XL, it is not black, but a typical off-white tint. To my delight. It slid on easily and didn't feel too snug. The MegaBig Boy didn't look like I had a tight sausage casing on my dick. It was snug enough to stay in place, but had a nice flare at the top with elbow room for the glans. The feel was good even though this was not the thinnest product from Okamoto. It is still "Sheerlon" like the "Beyond Seven" series you see in the US. I think I will order some more and do more field testing on my next outing (which won't be till the end of the year, sadly).

I plan to check out the Trojan Magnum "Bareskin", which has gotten very good reviews from men who are larger than average. In fact, better reviews than any other domestic US product I've researched. I also used the SKYN Large condoms, which are made from polyisoprene. I had good experiences with it with my ex-wife, the Hungarian princess with the snug twat. Post divorce, I used it mongering in Medellin and Berlin, next to the Kimono MicroThin. After that, I didn't care for it that much compared to the Kimono product. Also, the SKYN has an unpleasant taste apparently. In Medellin, where CBJ is standard, a gorgeous girl I chose at Energia, went down on it only to pull her head back and make a funny face, and pick up the wrapper of the condom to understand what she has just been mouthing. She indicated it had a bad taste, but continued the BJ only to hurry on to her standard Medellin Cowgirl routine. I switched to the Kimono after that, and no girls complained about the taste. Then again, few girls in other places wanted to do a covered BJ.

Anybody else have other suggestions? Other experiences? What do we have to do to get a Okamoto. 001 in a Mega Big Boy Size?Width of condoms is normally quoted as half of the circumference or the width of condom when unrolled and laid out flat.

Firstly, the naming of condoms like "Mega Big Boy" etc. Is all just marketing bullshit. The naming is not guaranteed to be an indicator of size. I have not done wide research so far. I tried Sagami .2 mm Large size, and wasn't happy it gave the best feeling. Polyurethane does not stretch and is slightly wrinkled rather than smooth. Was okay But more expensive than other options and feeling no better or slightly behind.

I also tried Okamoto 003 (width quoted at 52 mm) and found them to be rather tight and quite hard to get on, especially getting them to go over the head (of the dick), not covering full length of dick, but at least they do stretch. The small amount of stretch or snugness is not killing my feeling. I preferred these. Would like to try some others. Should I now try the 002 and 001 versions. I am concerned that 001 may break a bit too easily. I understand need to treat them gently.

"Mega Big Boy" packaging shows a width of only 46 mm so this makes it seem like they are even smaller? So that is a big put off. Picture of an Elephant does not impress me.

Now I am getting used to these thin condoms, it seems that returning to use Durex Comfort, or Ultrathin condoms would be very difficult with the feeling dampened too much, even though they are larger and much easier to get them on.

The condoms I can't use are extra strong thick ones like London. A girl OS pointed out she could stretch a London to put it on her foot like a stocking and no chance it would break. LOL.

I found it is critical when putting on condoms, not to get air trapped inside there, as that helps spoil the feeling and makes them more prone to slip off once any lube gets inside as well.

Eszpresszo

04-04-17, 15:06

Width of condoms is normally quoted as half of the circumference or the width of condom when unrolled and laid out flat.

"Mega Big Boy" packaging shows a width of only 46 mm so this makes it seem like they are even smaller? So that is a big put off. Picture of an Elephant does not impress me.

I found it is critical when putting on condoms, not to get air trapped inside there, as that helps spoil the feeling and makes them more prone to slip off once any lube gets inside as well.And there is the problem. There is no standardized system of measurement for condoms, as if Okamoto uses an alternate metric system or uses something other than Pi to measure circumference. Some of the descriptions I've seen for Okamoto products say something like "XX mm equals YZ mm in American condoms. " But make not mistake, the Mega Big Boy is distinctively larger. I don't have any calipers on hand to measure them. But laid out side by side the Mega Big Boy is visibly wider than the rest.

I did look on eBay again and found the Sagami Large at a reasonable price if bought in quantity. They ship from Japan, though. I also saw them on Amazon, and they were a bit dear. I will consider them again for my next laboratory test run.

Good points about putting the condom on correctly.

Eszpresszo

04-04-17, 15:08

The PI safe sex thread was up when I looked a few minutes ago. Not sure about other nations, but one can always be created. Though one may have to be a paying member to have that privilege.Thanks for pointing that out. I guess there are so many threads on the PI forum, I didn't scroll down far enough. But, my comment was in reference to the common practice of BB sex among PI girls.

PinkPearl

04-09-17, 00:08

Testing re HIV immunity at the Toronto lab can be done by international snail mail with your results returned by email, or in person.

When you do this they test you for 5 things:

1. "You will get tested for CCR5 Delta32. CCR5-delta32 is a deletion mutation of a gene and only 1% of the total population has two copies of this gene. Individuals who carry two copies of this genetic mutation are immune to Smallpox, The Bubonic Plague (Black Death) and are also resistant to HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Up to 20% of the population carry only one copy of this genetic mutation depending on your background and although they still run a significant risk of contracting HIV, the progress of the disease is greatly reduced and can result in a longer life expectancy. ".

2. "You will get tested for APOBEC3 G protein production. In a small number of people, one in every 300 infected with HIV, the virus is naturally suppressed without medical treatment due to APOBEC3 G. These people may carry high quantities of a protein APOBEC3 G that disrupts viral replication in cells. APOBEC3 G, or "A3" for short, is a protein that sabotages reverse transcription, the process HIV relies on for its replication. This process involves the virus transcribing its single-stranded RNA genome into double-stranded DNA that is incorporated into the cell's genome. A3 usually stops dormant viruses in the human genome, called endogenous retroviruses, from reawakening and causing infections. ".

3. "You will get tested for HLA-B27 and HLA-B57. Healthy individuals with HLA-B27 and HLA-B57 alleles who get infected with HIV-1 commonly remain healthy for decades without antiretroviral therapy. About 3 percent of the general population has HLA-B27 and HLA-B57. Individuals expressing the protective alleles HLA-B57 or HLA-B27 were both found to elicit immune responses against regions of the Hepatitis see Virus (HCV) polymerase protein that are critical to the ability of the virus to replicate. These immune responses force the virus to develop highly deleterious escape mutations that significantly impair virus replication, even resulting in the development of secondary 'compensatory' mutations by the virus in anattempt to minimize the effects of these escaped mutations. Importantly, HLA-B57 and HLA-B27 function to control HIV through a similar mechanism of selecting for highly deleterious mutations in critical regions of HIV. ".

4. "You will get tested for DRB1*13 and DQB1*6. These genes have been linked to HIV-positive individuals called nonprogressors, who do not progress to AIDS despite lack of treatment. Researchers have broadened our understanding of this phenomenon with their finding that those lucky enough to possess both DRB1*13 and DQB1*6 have T cells with super-strength in recognizing HIV. If ever infected with HIV; healthy individuals who carry both DRB1*13 and DQB1*6 genes and are not taking antiretroviral therapy (ART) are able to maintain low viral loads and near normal CD4 T-cell counts. Researchers also concluded that the preservation and expansion of both HIV-specific CD4 and CD8 T cells may be key mechanisms by which HIV controllers keep their virus in check. ".

5. "You will get tested for MTHFR C677 T and A1298 see. MTHFR (C677 T, A1298 C) have been associated with a variety of multifactorial disorders like Neural Tube Defects, vascular disorders, Down syndrome, osteoporosis, bad obstetric history, cardiovascular issues and male infertility. There are over 50 variants of MTHFR, it is most commonly broken down into either C677 t or A1298. The C667 t variation is more commonly associated with heart disease and stroke, while the A1298 variation is most commonly associated with chronic illnesses. ".

http://www.delta-32.com/

Dragovic100

04-25-17, 15:20

Hey guys,

I was wondering how many of you do BBBJ here in Pattaya or Bangkok or do you put a cover on it.

Syzygies

04-26-17, 07:21

Hey guys,

I was wondering how many of you do BBBJ here in Pattaya or Bangkok or do you put a cover on it.Only had CBJ one time in last year, from memory. Won't repeat that girl. All others BBBJ. Did not catch any disease.

It is possible to catch one of the very easy to catch diseases like Chlamydia for example, but still very unlikely. Chlamydia is easily treatable.

Had more than one condom slip off or broken accident in pussy for the year. That is slightly more risky in my opinion, but still have to be very unlucky.

Highest danger is pregnancy, if girl does not take the appropriate medicine after the accident.

Dragovic100

04-26-17, 12:23

Only had CBJ one time in last year, from memory. Won't repeat that girl. All others BBBJ. Did not catch any disease.

It is possible to catch one of the very easy to catch diseases like Chlamydia for example, but still very unlikely. Chlamydia is easily treatable.

Had more than one condom slip off or broken accident in pussy for the year. That is slightly more risky in my opinion, but still have to be very unlucky.

Highest danger is pregnancy, if girl does not take the appropriate medicine after the accident.About this in my encounter the first two times the condoms I bought regular sized ones from 7/11 kept making me lose my boner and it happened 2-3 times before the girl said the condom is too small form it's cutting the blood supply of. Then I ran down to get a magnum it worked fine and the girl was right condom was the problem. Now my question is I am not a guy who normally needs a magnum condom but in Thailand I did. Do anyone else feel the regular sized condoms in Thailand are not suited for us Farangs?

Crocodilexp

04-26-17, 18:04

Syzygies

04-26-17, 19:40

About this in my encounter the first two times the condoms I bought regular sized ones from 7/11 kept making me lose my boner and it happened 2-3 times before the girl said the condom is too small form it's cutting the blood supply of. Then I ran down to get a magnum it worked fine and the girl was right condom was the problem. Now my question is I am not a guy who normally needs a magnum condom but in Thailand I did. Do anyone else feel the regular sized condoms in Thailand are not suited for us Farangs?In your own country the standard condom size maybe 52, but in Thailand there are plenty of types that are 49 (standard Asia size). I used to use Durex Comfort size 54 or 56 with dark blue and magenta packing. It was very easy to get on (and off), also thinner for more feeling than many others.

I tried the Sagami Large size from Boots made from polyurethane. Did not develop a liking for it. Possibly due to it isn't totally smooth (wrinkles) and since it also does not really stretch at all. Yes was usable but expensive and I liked Okamoto better. I feel a non stretchable condom has a bigger danger of slippage.

Okamoto 003 Aloe green pack are available is 7 Eleven. This definitely a lot smaller than the durex comfort but also thinner. I find it quite a struggle to get it on, particularly first step to get it to go over the head (of the dick). However it does have some stretch to it. Just needed a new technique to stretch it a bit to put it on. I always put it on myself. The feeling is better than the Durex, so I have recently got used to this one. It is closer to the feel of bareback. Even it fits very tightly, the stretch is there, so not uncomfortable once it is on, for me. Probably not suited to anyone with a fat cock. I probably should be progressing to the 002 or 001 even thinner models. Care needed not to break them of course.

Putting on condoms it is important to not get bubbles of air and lube inside the condom. That will make it slip off too easily once the pussy grips at all. That is higher danger than breakage which is rare. If condoms rub against a sponge inserted in the girls pussy, that can abrade and break them. Fingernails is the big breakage danger.

There do exist very strong very thick condoms, suited to guys that are sensitive and tend to pop too quickly. That is not for me. Now I get used to the improved feeling, it is hard to go back. I use a good quality lube made by Ritex (not available in Thailand), I import it. I don't like the sticky gels made by KY and Durex that dry up too quickly.

PinkPearl

04-27-17, 19:24

The world's first antiviral condom enters market:

"Ansell, a global leader in protection solutions and the makers of LifeStyles and SKYN Condoms have announced the Canada launch of LifeStyles Dual Protect. The first condom of its kind, Dual Protect features patented VivaGel lubricant, developed by Starpharma. VivaGel, an innovative antiviral agent, has been proven in laboratory studies to inactivate HIV (human immunodeficiency virus), HSV (herpes simplex virus) and HPV (human papillomavirus). According to Canada's Public Health Agency, STI rates have been rising steadily since the late 1990's, further exemplifying the need for a product of this kind. ".

"VivaGel (SPL7013, or astodrimer sodium) is antiviral and has been proven in laboratory studies to inactivate up to 99.9% of HIV (human immunodeficiency virus), HSV (herpes simplex virus) and HPV (human papillomavirus), which are viruses that cause STIs. LifeStyles Dual Protect is the only condom of its type, providing barrier protection and incorporating the proprietary antiviral VivaGel in the condom lubricant. ".

http://www.canhealth.com/technology-for-doctors/worlds-first-antiviral-condom-enters-canadian-market/

Dragovic100

04-29-17, 17:05

In your own country the standard condom size maybe 52, but in Thailand there are plenty of types that are 49 (standard Asia size). I used to use Durex Comfort size 54 or 56 with dark blue and magenta packing. It was very easy to get on (and off), also thinner for more feeling than many others.

I tried the Sagami Large size from Boots made from polyurethane. Did not develop a liking for it. Possibly due to it isn't totally smooth (wrinkles) and since it also does not really stretch at all. Yes was usable but expensive and I liked Okamoto better. I feel a non stretchable condom has a bigger danger of slippage.

Okamoto 003 Aloe green pack are available is 7 Eleven. This definitely a lot smaller than the durex comfort but also thinner. I find it quite a struggle to get it on, particularly first step to get it to go over the head (of the dick). However it does have some stretch to it. Just needed a new technique to stretch it a bit to put it on. I always put it on myself. The feeling is better than the Durex, so I have recently got used to this one. It is closer to the feel of bareback. Even it fits very tightly, the stretch is there, so not uncomfortable once it is on, for me. Probably not suited to anyone with a fat cock. I probably should be progressing to the 002 or 001 even thinner models. Care needed not to break them of course.Are you suggesting not to put lube inside the condom if so why? When I was mongering in Germany and Amsterdam the ladies always put lube a drop or two inside the condom as well as outside the condom.

ParkVille

05-01-17, 18:49

XXL

05-01-17, 20:12

Are you suggesting not to put lube inside the condom if so why? When I was mongering in Germany and Amsterdam the ladies always put lube a drop or two inside the condom as well as outside the condom.Odd, I would have thought in order to be efficient the condom needs to slide on the outside, not on the inside. I've had girls wiping my cock with a paper towel before the condom was put on, never adding "drops" inside.

Note that Okamoto 0.02 is identical to Sagami large 0.02 except the Okamoto is lubricated. The lubrication makes it even more difficult to slide on so I prefer the Sagami. Thin polyurethane condoms are a struggle to put on but you get rewarded once they're on. I'd wish they'd bring a Sagami 0.02 "extra large" on the market since the 0.02 "large" is not large at all by normal standards.

I may retire in Thailand soon and if I don't have access to thin polyurethane condoms I'll be in trouble. Can you order condoms into Thailand through the internet?

Melor

05-01-17, 21:02

Note that Okamoto 0.02 is identical to Sagami large 0.02 except the Okamoto is lubricated. The lubrication makes it even more difficult to slide on so I prefer the Sagami. Thin polyurethane condoms are a struggle to put on but you get rewarded once they're on. I'd wish they'd bring a Sagami 0.02 "extra large" on the market since the 0.02 "large" is not large at all by normal standards.

I may retire in Thailand soon and if I don't have access to thin polyurethane condoms I'll be in trouble. Can you order condoms into Thailand through the internet?In Bangkok there is Central World shopping centre with Isetan chain supermarkets, I bought Sagami 0. 02 "large" there several times in 2014 and 2015, also I think it was still available last December (I did not buy so don't remember for sure).

Banana Boi

05-01-17, 21:53

like 9/10 I get bareback......As expected, getting bareback here super easy. Just everywhere, every gogo girl offers it.This is not my experience at all but I don't push or even ask for BBFS. Not denying it's not available in both BKK and Pattaya but '9/10' and 'every' seems extremely high.

Can I ask which gogo clubs you attend in Pattaya? Curious now to just do some research and talk to some girls.

I see from the Bangkok thread you like Africans. I'm sure every African will do BBFS for sure. Same applies to Beach Road girls. However, pretty sure that not 'every' gogo dancer from Sensations and Baccara are doing BBFS with most random men. If you can get BBFS from them you can likely get every Thermae girl in Bangkok to offer you BBFS.

Member #4591

05-02-17, 01:07

Syzygies

05-02-17, 09:40

Can I ask which gogo clubs you attend in Pattaya? Curious now to just do some research and talk to some girls.
The only way you can research this, in a non biased way, is to ask for BB and see if they agree, or just try to put it in. You must at least pretend you want it. If you ask a girl is she willing to do it with others, she will likely say no, even if her answer will be bullshit. Then you have to find out if she will do it for extra money. Then you just count up the unpersuadable girls.

Once girls hear of some friend of theirs catching an STD of some type, even if genital warts, they may suddenly change their attitude as well. I don't believe girls are consistent.

EihTooms

05-02-17, 19:22

Hey so I have been in Pattaya for the past 2 months, and thinking of going back to Bangkok. I think Pattaya quality isn't so great overall, and is super pricey (5 k ST at gogos due to 1. 5 k and 2 k barfines! If it isn't on walking street and it's in pattaya, it's probably not very good looking if sober. However, one major benefit to Pattaya is getting bareback is super easy, like 9/10 I get bareback and 1/3 of the time creampie if the girl likes having sex with me.

As expected, getting bareback here super easy. Just everywhere, every gogo girl offers it. But in my time in Bangkok, I never really tried to get bareback that much. But when I did, it always seemed to be more difficult because the scene there is more about soapies / massage and less about gogo's to me. And the Bangkok gogo girls I did take didn't really seem to keen on bareback at all. I think something to do with pattaya girls being newer and more ignorant hillbillies. Which has its advantages (easy to get bareback).

Any thoughts on where to get bareback in Bangkok? It seems gogo girls are not too keen on it. And neither are massage girls since they do so many guys in a day.My experience with BB has been exactly opposite of yours on almost every count. In the past 4-5 years, I have found it virtually impossible to get BBFS (or BBBJ+CIM, for that matter) with decent looking Pattaya girls and much easier to get it from Bangkok girls, who are better looking than Pattaya girls anyway. And among Bangkok girls, it has been much easier in my case to get BBFS from go-go girls than from massage shop girls, including in the few so-called PSE oily massage shops I have suffered through. Even easier for me to get it from above average looking go-go girls than with FLs either on Sukhumvit, Soi 4, in Beer Garden Soi 7 or in Thermae. However, it is still quite possible for me to get it from those girls. Just seems to be easier to ask for it, get a serious discussion and consideration of it and agreement to do it with go-go dancers in Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza.

Can't say there is any particular venue where it is offered more readily, though. No such thing as far as I know. But for those who would like to get a discussion and negotiation about it done and out of the way before you even pay the barfine, I am inclined to say it is most likely to be an option up for dispassionate discussion and reasonable negotiation without the girl being asked for it getting hysterical and recoiling in horror about it in the go-go bars where there is a two-tier barfine system. I am talking about the go-go bars where the barfine for some girls is, say, 700 baht, while for others it is 1,500 baht. I am talking about the bars where the higher tier girls are considered "Special Girls" and not exactly Coyotes. In too many cases, the Coyotes' barfines are ridiculously high compared to the other girls, like 3,000 baht vs 700 baht. Or they might not be available for barfine take-out at all. Those aren't the places or the girls I am talking about.

In the places where the two-tier barfine system is more like 700 baht vs 1,500 baht, I have found the "Special Girls" are more likely than most to be able to handle a question about whether or not they are ok with BBFS. After all, they and their bar are for whatever reason expecting the customer to pay an additional 800 baht for some supposed "Special" feature offered. IMO, I have not seen that those "Special" girls are automatically younger and more beautiful than the ordinary go-go girls. So, what is this supposed special feature of the "Special Girls"? It needs to be something. I believe it comes down to that they are simply more popular than the other girls and are taken out more often. For whatever reason.

It seems to me those girls have been asked more often than most if they are up for BBFS for that extra barfine cost. At least, in my experience, they are not nearly as ready to recoil in horror and then launch into a stern lecture about what a sick fuck you are to even suggest such a thing. That's what I get almost everywhere in Pattaya. But I have never gotten that reaction from one of the "Special Girls" in Bangkok go-go bars with the two-tier barfine system of the kind I mentioned. That doesn't mean those "Special Girls" will go along with BBFS, of course. I am just saying they would be more likely than most to understand why you are asking them about it. You're being asked to pay an additional 800 baht to take them out. Why? And once the subject is broached without a shock and awe reaction, it is now open for calm discussion and reasonable negotiation.

BTW, it also isn't necessarily so that only the 1,500 baht barfine "Special Girls" are up for at least a serious discussion and negotiation on BBFS. It turns out some of the 700 baht barfine regular go-go dancers in such a bar, some of whom might float your boat more than the "Special Girls" anyway, could very well be up for it, too. I realize that seems to be violating the possible "Special" element of the higher barfine girls, right? Well, I think this happens because some of those 700 baht regular girls would like to move up in status, popularity and income to a 1,500 baht "Special Girl" in their bar and they might justifiably calculate that saying "yes" to this question every now and then might be as good a way as any to be chosen and taken out of that bar more often and thereby earn their way into "Special Girl" status.

PinkPearl

05-02-17, 21:29

EihTooms

05-03-17, 02:08

IME in Bangkok girls who've done BB with me don't want other girls knowing they did it. They'll even ask for a condom if they're in my room with another Thai girl.

Generally I never ask for bareback until I already have the street girl in my room. Sometimes they agree to it without any discussion. Other times they ask how much I'll pay them. 2000 baht has always been enough, all in. Other times if they show reluctance I'll offer to let them see my recent negative HIV result or promise not to cum inside them.

Roughly half the NEP area streetwalkers were up for BB. All of them that I had tested for HIV, about 8 in all, tested negative. My plan was to test those I saw regularly.

In Singapore getting BB was possible with various nationalities. Five street girls were up for it. I did it with a Thai, a PRC, an Indonesian & a Vietnam female. Also a local Singaporean who appeared to be of South Asian ancestry, such as India.

I am circumcised & usually used coconut oil for lube & as a barrier against STI.

I was infected on a few occasions with minor STI that were easily treated.

Going forward I would consider using the antiviral gel available with Dual Condoms, as mentioned in a recent post. Just the gel, not the condom.

I am awaiting my results in tests re immunity to HIV.Yes, I would not even consider going bareback without being circumcised, having had a vasectomy, having a current (within 2-3 months) clean HIV / STI blood check document from a reliable source clinic, never engaging in uncovered receptive anal sex, avoiding prolonged bouts of "aggressive" sex likely to break the skin, keeping things well lubed and showering with hot soapy water soon after the deed is done. Maybe I will look into the antiviral gel you mentioned. But so far in my life it has not been necessary.

Can you tell us more about the "tests re immunity to HIV" you mentioned? Where, how much does it cost, how reliable is it presumed to be and so on?

Syzygies

05-03-17, 07:06

Roughly half the NEP area streetwalkers were up for BB. All of them that I had tested for HIV, about 8 in all, tested negative. My plan was to test those I saw regularly.
Where would you go for cheap HIV Test? Hospital charges a lot, or maybe was because I asked for full set of tests for all STDs and some others were more expensive to test, like long term Herpes test, did I ever have in the past HSV-1 or HSV-2?

ParkVille

05-03-17, 07:59

Where would you go for cheap HIV Test? Hospital charges a lot, or maybe was because I asked for full set of tests for all STDs and some others were more expensive to test, like long term Herpes test, did I ever have in the past HSV-1 or HSV-2?The Anonymous HIV Red Cross Clinic near Silom (just google it, it's fairly popular). It's like the default / best place in Bangkok and they do all STI tests for very reasonably prices. No inflated hospital mark-up prices.

ParkVille

05-03-17, 08:27

This is not my experience at all but I don't push or even ask for BBFS. Not denying it's not available in both BKK and Pattaya but '9/10' and 'every' seems extremely high.

Can I ask which gogo clubs you attend in Pattaya? Curious now to just do some research and talk to some girls.

I see from the Bangkok thread you like Africans. I'm sure every African will do BBFS for sure. Same applies to Beach Road girls. However, pretty sure that not 'every' gogo dancer from Sensations and Baccara are doing BBFS with most random men. If you can get BBFS from them you can likely get every Thermae girl in Bangkok to offer you BBFS.Iron, Skyfall, Happy, an ex-gogo girl working in one of the simon complex bars (the complex with frog bar, near skyfall). I have merely visited Bacarra / palace but the girls there seem to stuck up so I don't even bother and leave quickly. I did BF a bacarra girl back in 2012 and that was BB but we were both really drunk. Also, 2 freelancers. One who initiated contact with me on a baht bus. The other from insomnia / ibar. 2/3 massage girls on Soi honey. Another one from soi 13/2.

There are 4 types of girls when it comes to safe sex I have found:

1. Those who simply will not stray from using a condom for the given P4 P session (maybe / probably they go condomless with thai BF or some falangs in other settings, or simply 100% condom). Most likely be in a massage shop, and the more ST the encounter the more likely a condom is required. The more foreigners who visit, the more likely a condom is required (eg: pattaya soapies). I honestly don't even bother asking about BBFS in these kinds of encounters. Unless I have seen them before and I may even bring a very very recent STI test result.

2. Those will will provide BBFS but seem hesitant and are only doing it because it's their job (to service customer). I typically don't repeat with them as they know I want BBFS and they aren't comfortable providing it.

3. Those who will simply provide it, no problem. And are probably doing it to gain repeat business or *gasp* actually like having sex without a condom. Some even want me to cream pie because they'll hold me as I am about to orgasm.

4. Dirty sluts who specifically are trying to give me BBFS without me asking or motioning towards it. Condoms are nowhere to be seen. Almost all times, these girls are on yabba (rapid breathing, sweating, and their breath smells like fingernail polish). I had one girl who was high (in Ocean 2), offered me BBFS immediately, and smelled like she had been doing cocaine (but probably yabba). I came back 6-7 months later, she wasn't high, didn't remember me, and wouldn't provide BBFS. (Pattaya) Freelancers are much more likely to be on yabba as well, since they don't want work commitments getting in the way of partying on drugs with their Thai (boy) friends.

EihTooms

05-03-17, 08:43

The Anonymous HIV Red Cross Clinic near Silom (just google it, it's fairly popular). It's like the default / best place in Bangkok and they do all STI tests for very reasonably prices. No inflated hospital mark-up prices.Yes. For anyone not familiar with the Thai Red Cross testing clinic, the HIV test is 200 baht. Another 200 baht or so for each of several other tests. Most of the time these days it will take about 90 minutes from first entering the place to walking out with a printed results document. Some tests might require waiting a few days for results though. Bring your real passport, not just a photo copy, if you want a printed document with your name on it rather than just a verbal "ok, you're fine" result. I also got the HPV vaccination series there for about 2100 baht for each of the three shots spaced out 1-2 months apart.

It is about a 5 minute walk from Ratchadamri bts station on the Silom Line, hair pin turn at the bottom of the steps on Exit 1. It will be the single story building between the two water tower shaped buildings on the right side of Ratchadamri Road.

Syzygies

05-03-17, 11:41

The Anonymous HIV Red Cross Clinic near Silom (just google it, it's fairly popular). It's like the default / best place in Bangkok and they do all STI tests for very reasonably prices. No inflated hospital mark-up prices.Thanks for that. Could save me plenty of money. I might see if they can do any other types of blood tests too (non STD related), LOL.

Thanks to ET too. It's not often I get benefit from really useful info on the ISG. Most questions, fail to get really great answers. I can see though that once a question is very specific, very useful info is possible.

Syzygies

05-03-17, 11:49

I also got the HPV vaccination series there for about 2100 baht for each of the three shots spaced out 1-2 months apart.
I was not aware there were useful vaccinations for males of advanced age, like us. I thought HPV Gardasil was only for girls below a certain age. I once took a Tulip girl to get her vaccinated, due to the significant risks. Wasn't cheap at a hospital.

Is this against only the strains of HPV associated with Uterine cancers? There are many strains. We all have been infected with HPV of some type on some part of the body, at some time, right? Warts and papilomas. I guess guys barebacking have higher risks to catch strains of HPV in genital region.

EihTooms

05-03-17, 13:30

I was not aware there were useful vaccinations for males of advanced age, like us. I thought HPV Gardasil was only for girls below a certain age. I once took a Tulip girl to get her vaccinated, due to the significant risks. Wasn't cheap at a hospital.

Is this against only the strains of HPV associated with Uterine cancers? There are many strains. We all have been infected with HPV of some type on some part of the body, at some time, right? Warts and papilomas. I guess guys barebacking have higher risks to catch strains of HPV in genital region.I couldn't say what specific strain it was for or all strains. They have posters in the waiting area stating they offer the series. So I asked to begin that day. They knew my age but did not advise one way or another about that being an issue.

John Dough

05-03-17, 21:09

I am circumcised & usually used coconut oil for lube & as a barrier against STI.

I was infected on a few occasions with minor STI that were easily treated.

Going forward I would consider using the antiviral gel available with Dual Condoms, as mentioned in a recent post. Just the gel, not the condom.Perhaps you could try adding zinc oxide powder to your coconut oil to increase the antimicrobial action. Then you might not need the antiviral gel.

http://www.thedermreview.com/zinc-oxide/

Zinc oxide is a chemical compound that is thought to have been used in health and skin care applications for millennia. the oldest and the closest reference is believed to be the description of a healing salve, used to treat the eyes and open wounds. In todays medicine, zinc oxide is generally used to address skin damage, like burns or scars; irritations; and may even act as a protective layer on the skin to lock moisture in, while keeping pathogens out.

http://www.dermascope.com/resources/zinc-oxide-historical-uses-and-modern-benefits

Zinc oxide helps to aid in tissue growth and healing and is a natural antiseptic and antibacterial agent. It heals epidermal wounds and burns and treats and prevents skin rashes. This ingredient also protects against microbial pathogens. As a natural astringent, zinc oxide reduces acne-causing bacteria and minimizes pores. Zinc oxide protects against UVA and UVB light rays and is often used as a natural, non-toxic sunscreen to prevent photoaging and wrinkles. Due to the minimal risk of allergic reactions it is considered benign and safe for the skin.

http://thecoconutmama.com/coconut-oil-sunscreen/
Coconut Oil Sunscreen Recipe
Ingredients
1/2 Cup Virgin Coconut Oil
2 Tablespoons Non Nana Zinc Oxide
Instructions
Whip coconut oil up in a mixer or food processor.
Carefully add the zinc oxide (you don't want to inhale it!)
Once the oils and zinc oxide are mixed well pour them into a small container.

http://www.umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/condition/herpes-simplex-virus
In test tubes, zinc is effective against HSV-1 and HSV-2. In one small study, people who applied zinc oxide cream to cold sores saw them heal faster than those who applied a placebo cream.

PinkPearl

05-03-17, 22:06

Can you tell us more about the "tests re immunity to HIV" you mentioned? Where, how much does it cost, how reliable is it presumed to be and so on?Three reports on these subjects were posted earlier this year in this same thread. A search with my user name & the word immune brings them all up.

In addition to the site previously mentioned, here are some leads re possibly legitimate testing elsewhere:

http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/check-if-you-are-naturally-immune-to-hiv-via-23andme-results.28913/

http://www.cureaidsreport.org/ccr5-delta-32-registery/

http://thegeneticgenealogist.com/2007/03/29/are-you-immune-to-hiv-and-smallpox/

Where would you go for cheap HIV Test?Red cross or places poor Thai people use, I suppose. I'm sure many of your ladies of the night could tell you.

I use expensive Bumrungrad hospital which is a convenient 10 minute walk from NEP since it is located near my hotel & I don't want to spend a lot of time travelling to unknown areas of the city. Girls are impressed that I take them there. First time they have to get a Bumrungrad card. After that it takes about 1. 5 hours on average from arrival at the hospital to receiving printed HIV test results. While waiting there are shops & restaurants on the hospital property to enjoy in an air conditioned atmosphere full of eye candy. Or one can send them with cash to get it done by themselves & bring the results to one's hotel room.

Regarding HPV vaccinations it is not recommended for guys our age:

https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/parents/vaccine.html

John Dough

05-04-17, 00:46

I was not aware there were useful vaccinations for males of advanced age, like us. I thought HPV Gardasil was only for girls below a certain age. I once took a Tulip girl to get her vaccinated, due to the significant risks. Wasn't cheap at a hospital.The HPV vaccine is only recommended for girls of a certain age because that is the test data submitted to the FDA. It can still be useful for older men if you haven't already been exposed to the strain of virus in the vaccine, but your insurance won't pay for it.

https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/should-people-over-26-get-the-hpv-vaccine
Regardless of age, you'll probably still get at least a little protection.
The current version of the HPV vaccine covers nine different strains of the virus. The odds of having been exposed to every single one of these strains is low, even among people who have had several sexual partners. Sadly, it's impossible to know precisely how much benefit you'll get because we don't currently have an HPV test for men
The reason this vaccine is only recommended for people under 26 has nothing to do with safety. In fact, we know it's safe for older folks because, in some countries including Australia this vaccine is recommended up to age 45, at least for women. in a series of threes shots that cost $150-200 each. In total, I spent just over $600 for mine.

https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/hpv-vaccine-over-age-26-is-it-worth-it/
Currently the HPV (human papilloma virus) vaccines are approved in the United States up to the age of 26. This has nothing to do with safety but due to the fact that the studies submitted to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) involved this age range. There is nothing wrong with getting the HPV vaccine over the age of 26, although in most countries that will mean you have to pay for it yourself. It just means the older you are the less likely you will get the full protection as the risk increases with age that you have already been exposed. Since two doses seems to be as effective as three a strategy for women over the age of 26 who are paying out-of-pocket might be to consider 2 doses

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/06/left-out-why-is-it-so-hard-for-older-women-to-get-the-hpv-vaccine/258611/
Drug maker Merck's study of women 24-45 did show that the vaccine protects those with no prior exposure to the nastiest HPV strains
the CDC recommends the vaccine just for females ages 11 to 26 and males ages 11 to 21. What about the newly single 28-year-old who has had only two, long-term relationships? Or the 50-year-old divorcee who starts dating again after 20 years of marriage?

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/750749
Men are at risk for HPV-related disease, and yet even though there is a clear and proven medical benefit for vaccinations in boys and men, the cost effectiveness remains controversial.

Syzygies

05-04-17, 06:03

Regarding HPV vaccinations it is not recommended for guys our age:

https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/parents/vaccine.htmlThat is actually a pretty poor article in relation to it just makes recommendations for age groups, but explains little about the reasons for age group recommendations. It is not intending for people to understand at all to make there own informed decisions. It also ignores complex science involved, especially relating to strains of HPV, some of which are considered less dangerous.

We come to realise that other age groups are only excluded due to concerns about the cost effectiveness, low rates of people protected against cancers compared to those vaccinated, and that older people are more likely to be already exposed the viruses rendering the vaccinations potentially too late. Very much related to statistical probabilities and also the belief that vaccinating all girls and gays is enough to halt the spread of sexually transmitted HPVs. I the odd older guy gets a cancer or spreads HPV to a girl that gets a cancer, that is just a statistical anomaly, outside the major target area.

I offer these alternative a bit more informative sites:

http://www.hpvvaccine.org.au/parents/parents-what-is-hpv.aspx?link=home

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccines

Interesting to me that although, I don't have genitals warts to my knowledge at any time, it is quite possible to have been exposed to the viruses with no symptoms. HPV is described as the common cold of sexual diseases so everyone is likely exposed to them. I have certainly had warts and papilomas on other parts of the body, when younger, although none as a child to my memory, probably due to lack of direct contact with anyone else having them. Don't know precisely how these viruses were contracted. Could it have been via sex or kissing most likely?

Apparently "Senile warts" are not related to HPV.

Crocodilexp

05-04-17, 09:08

Where would you go for cheap HIV Test?Red Cross at Rachadamri road, across from the north-eastern corner of Lumpini park. Website: http://en.trcarc.org.

They offer anonymous testing very cheap, I think it was 200 baht or so for HIV. Results available after 1 HR. It's a bit crowded, but they're clean, organized and professional.

Edit: EihTooms already answered this. Sorry for duplication.

PinkPearl

05-04-17, 21:00

That is actually a pretty poor article in relation to it just makes recommendations for age groups, but explains little about the reasons for age group recommendations. It is not intending for people to understand at all to make there own informed decisions. It also ignores complex science involved, especially relating to strains of HPV, some of which are considered less dangerous.That page from the highly authoritative CDC was obviously just a brief summary. If you refer to the CDC search engine or related links, both on the same page, there is much more info to be found, such as:

"Efficacy and Immunogenicity Among Persons Aged over 26 years".

"HPV4 is not licensed in the United States for use in persons aged over 26 years. One randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of HPV4 was conducted in 3,819 females aged 24 to 45 years (140). In the end-of-study analysis, per-protocol efficacy against HPV 6, 11,16, and 18 persistent infection, related CIN, or external genital lesions was 88.7% (95% CI = 78.194. 8) (141). There were few CIN2+ events (one case in the vaccine arm and six cases in the placebo arm of the trial). In the ITT analysis, efficacy against vaccine type-related persistent infection or disease was 47.2% (95% CI = 33.558. 2), but efficacy was not demonstrated against CIN2+: 22.4% (95% CI = -42.558. 3). One month after the third dose, seropositivity to HPV 6, 11,16 and 18 was 98%, 98%, 99%, and 97%, respectively. At month 48, seropositivity was 92%, 92%, 97%, and 48%, respectively. GMTs were lower than those among females aged 16 to 23 years. There are no data from efficacy trials in males aged over 26 years. ".

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr6305a1.htm

I the odd older guy gets a cancer or spreads HPV to a girl that gets a cancer, that is just a statistical anomaly, outside the major target area.OTOH the potential side effects of older people taking such a vaccine are greater than with the young. Worst case scenario being death.

At almost 60 years of age, I won't be bothering with the HPV vaccine. For elderly guys our age, I'd suggest instead the vaccine against shingles.

EihTooms

05-05-17, 04:23

snip
"There are no data from efficacy trials in males aged over 26 years. "

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr6305a1.htm

OTOH the potential side effects of older people taking such a vaccine are greater than with the young. Worst case scenario being death.I didn't see a statement in that link about greater potential side effects including death for males aged over 26 years. Maybe I missed it. Is there one?

PinkPearl

05-05-17, 07:28

I didn't see a statement in that link about greater potential side effects including death for males aged over 26 years. Maybe I missed it. Is there one?Since there have been no research studies re the HPV vaccine & males over 26, as per the link, I don't expect you'd find info there on the related side effects in that age group. Anything I've read on side effects concerns allegations of young girls getting seriously ill, dying, etc. Sixty year old men tend to have weaker immune systems than the young people who usually get the vaccine.

"Flu shots or other vaccines may not work as well or protect you (old codgers) for as long as expected" relative to the young.

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/004008.htm

Old New Guy

05-05-17, 11:00

Lots of good data here, I wanted to say thanks guys.

BenZw126

05-13-17, 14:02

Banana Boi

05-13-17, 21:21

I had been with 2 girls in Bangkok, one had condom on for the blow job. Other asked me if I needed, with absent mind said no. Now have some sort of pimples on the penis head, some sort of infection.

Had booked Rebecca from smooci for day one <snip> Had booked J-NET, was nice but had most fun with her, compared to Rebecca. Which girl did the BBBJ and caused your problems?

Simian

05-14-17, 07:28

Syzygies

05-14-17, 09:12

New to this. I had been with 2 girls in Bangkok, one had condom on for the blow job. Other asked me if I needed, with absent mind said no. Now have some sort of pimples on the penis head, some sort of infection. So guys please always condom on for all kind of services.

Have been applying some cream to get rid of this, has come down 80% but not eliminated completely.After thousands of Bare Back blow jobs, many of us never saw any pimples on penis head, so we are not going to change now.

We have no clue what is your problem and sounds like you don't know either. What Creme? LOL. If your chemist gave a creme it probably means he knows something likely which is probably not an STD.

If was me, I would really like to be sure what it was. Tests to confirm in clinic?

ParkVille

05-15-17, 10:13

Yeah often times when I get red bumps on my penis, it's just an external irritation, not an STD. For example, I had a single red bump that would become more red after sex but mostly be invisible. It turned out, that the inter-netting in my swim trunks were abrasive (cheap) and caused this mere irritation (contact dermatitis). Certainly had me worried at first.

Contact dermatitis - "Some rashes look like an allergic reaction but really aren't, because your immune system wasn't involved. Instead, you touched something that took away the surface oils shielding your skin. The longer that thing stayed on your skin, the worse the reaction. It's called irritant contact dermatitis. ".

AussieDoug

05-15-17, 12:27

Any thoughts on where to get bareback in Bangkok? It seems gogo girls are not too keen on it. And neither are massage girls since they do so many guys in a day.I have not used a rubber in Thailand in the last 15 years, easy to get.

ParkVille

05-15-17, 15:56

I have not used a rubber in Thailand in the last 15 years, easy to get.So. Tell me your secret? Do you negotiate this up front?

AussieDoug

05-22-17, 11:48

So. Tell me your secret? Do you negotiate this up front?You are the customer, you have to be happy after all. I just tell them I have "no power" with a rubber on, and that is partly true in my case, so they think about it and usually agree.

But I guess I am a honest looking guy, and clean shaven etc, so not look any bit dodgy.

That said I have encountered many unmarried well educated girls with good fair dinkum jobs that would love to have a kid, they will tell you up front, they want a sperm donor, they can afford to bring up the kid, and they just want one, they have missed the marriage boat by the time they are 30. No strings attached.

Syzygies

05-22-17, 13:00

You are the customer, you have to be happy after all. I just tell them I have "no power" with a rubber on, and that is partly true in my case, so they think about it and usually agree.

But I guess I am a honest looking guy, and clean shaven etc, so not look any bit dodgy.
Amusing stuff.

So not looking dodgy proves that you did not consort with dodgy girls. LOL Actually "no power" story proves you did consort with dodgy girls. It just proves the girls are not that smart, I think. I have one girl that is smarter, just a little. She is somewhat paranoid about the chance that I have fucked other girls and may have done it without a condom or I had a condom accident. She wants to see a semi regular test result. All guys lie about BB right?, well not all but certainly most do. We all have a condom accident sometime, except for those never using a condom (LOL). I tell the truth at least 95% of the time. Sometimes stretch it just a little. She is officially attached and not playing around, so can't afford to catch something. Bad enough problem if her BF thinks hey, her pussy seems looser than it used to be. It should have shrunk while he was away. What has she been doing? Playing with a big dildo of course. Fortunately she has one with vibrator built in for the evidence.

I have to agree that no condom, does make things a bit easier. Very enjoyable to a semi erect dick (lubed) in the girl and let it grow inside her from the pussy massage. Doesn't work nearly so well with a condom on, especially if she is a bit tight and unrelaxed.

We all (almost all) carry these HPV (Human Papilloma Viruses) so I hope young girls are getting vaccinated before they go around barebacking.

I do recall a girl of the distant past allowing me BB regularly only after she felt sorry for my weak erection, one time. I did not tell her I was virtually fucked out with too much sex at the time. LOL In the modern day Viagra cures so many weak erections, so the weak erection would much less of a good excuse. Alternatively stop drinking so much alcohol, or lose weight. Easily fixed for many.

I recommend to all to lose a few kilos and see how much your sex power improves. Worked wonders for me. I used to be 9 kilos heavier than now, but still above ideal weight. Don't use Vitamin V with GF. She doesn't fuck long enough (40 minutes max) or often enough that I need a boost, and her pussy feels the best. If my dick was far too hard for far too long, she would know something was wrong. Keep Vit. V to assist when fucking difficult girls, e. G. Stiff legs, starfish, etc. Perhaps don't use it if you want the girls to give you BB because they are sorry for your weak power. LOL.

To keep risks of catching an STD lower, I recommend selective BBing of girls not likely to be doing it with every guy or many guys per week. My buddy caught the Gonnor in his first week in Thailand. He obviously wasn't very selective. Fortunately he had no wife at the time, but he stopped fucking for a few days.

ParkVille

05-22-17, 13:17

Alternatively stop drinking so much alcohol, or lose weight. Easily fixed for many.Well, in my case, I don't have 9 kgs (of fat) to lose. So won't work for me, and I train muscles as much as I can without getting too fatigued (over trained). I'm just mildly depressed, have anxiety / nervous problems and chronic sinusitis means my body is under attack a lot and it causes fatigue and less libido when I'm getting over a sinus infection. In my experience, of enjoying P4 P, it's all been tied to my mood and the P4 P is an enhancer, not a replacement for a good mood. Similarly, drinking alcohol is a good method to enhance a party, not THE way to party. I think for me, I need to overcome my p4 p addiction, focus on things that actually make me happy, and come back at it as a hobby, not an addiction. That's just what *I* reckon I need to do (too much information, I digress).

I recommend to all to lose a few kilos and see how much your sex power improves. Worked wonders for me. I used to be 9 kilos heavier than now, but still above ideal weight. I think that in your case, its possible the better self-image and increased confidence helped more than simply not having the fat there. But yes, exercise is tied to a healthy libido. But I think psychology is 80% of it.

Dan7373

05-22-17, 22:26

New to this. I had been with 2 girls in Bangkok, one had condom on for the blow job. Other asked me if I needed, with absent mind said no. Now have some sort of pimples on the penis head, some sort of infection. So guys please always condom on for all kind of services.

Have been applying some cream to get rid of this, has come down 80% but not eliminated completely.I suggest that you get tested for sexually transmitted diseases to find out what it is and treat it properly. Quite often people get infected with 2 or more sexually transmitted diseases at the same time. And only one of these infections might show symptoms at first, but no the other.

The pimples might be a sign of your whole body being infected. Some sexually transmitted diseases start out only as pimples or sores at the site of infection. But eventually this infection spreads to other parts of your body and damages your whole body.

Making the pimples go away doesn't mean that you got rid of the infection. And it doesn't mean that you have only one infection. You might have two or more.

Syzygies

05-23-17, 08:51

Well, in my case, I don't have 9 kgs (of fat) to lose. So won't work for me, and I train muscles as much as I can without getting too fatigued (over trained). I'm just mildly depressed, have anxiety / nervous problems and chronic sinusitis means my body is under attack a lot and it causes fatigue and less libido when I'm getting over a sinus infection. In my experience, of enjoying P4 P, it's all been tied to my mood and the P4 P is an enhancer, not a replacement for a good mood. Similarly, drinking alcohol is a good method to enhance a party, not THE way to party. I think for me, I need to overcome my p4 p addiction, focus on things that actually make me happy, and come back at it as a hobby, not an addiction. That's just what *I* reckon I need to do (too much information, I digress)..When mongering we are supposed to get relaxed. I am not suffering from any anxieties when playing with a girl, other than the fear she will be a very stiff legged star fish, if first try with her. LOL I am not a very stressed out person. Don't need the alcohol at all to relax and have fun. Yes P4 P is an addiction, so good to focus on quality less often rather than fuck yourself silly and try to do every possible girl. Collect some really fun girls, and dump them when no longer floating your boat well enough. I am almost down to one main Gik (almost a 2nd GF) and just a few other irregulars.

Some guys seem to suffer from the idea that they simply must try a girl at every shop, no matter how bad they look. LOL.

Like you I have somewhat chronic sinus problems. However I find the humidity in Thailand does wonder for it, and any issues generally clear up quickly in Thailand. Problems get worse in very cold climates with dry air. Even in a bad climate country, a simple cold won't stop me, but I do notice deteriorated sex if sinuses are bad enough. Need to be able to breath properly during DATY.

I think that in your case, its possible the better self-image and increased confidence helped more than simply not having the fat there. But yes, exercise is tied to a healhyl libido. But I think psychology is 80% of it.No no, that's silly. Plenty of very fat old men in Thailand are having a great time with young girls. Yes I did not want to be one of them. I notice a massive difference in my ability to handle a long sex work out without much huffing and puffing and being a ball of sweat. So there is no doubt at all the losing the kilos makes a big difference to energy levels. Thighs have less work to do in doggy, etc. There is no doubt that my weight loss and improved energy is not psycho somatic.

Doing GF is for just 40 minutes does not even raise a sweat now.

Banana Boi

06-03-17, 14:55

Syzygies

06-05-17, 03:15

EihTooms

06-05-17, 04:02

Lefeu

06-05-17, 04:37

ParkVille

06-05-17, 11:08

One of my buddies picked up a GoGo girl once. In the room, they both realized there was no condom around. No problem, the girl picked up the phone and called the office. A few minutes later, someone brought a condom. My buddy was charged a fee upon checkout.Sounds like the shorttime room. In which case, yes that is a very common occurence. The short-time room owners are also eager to sell them as they mark them up quite a bit.

Member #4591

06-05-17, 12:45

What does it mean when you get to your room and showered, then a girl says they have no condoms?

1. they really don't have condoms or they want you to supply the condom so they don't have to use one of their own.

2. a sign they are willing to do BBFS.

I always have condoms at home so I will say I do but I've always wondered this.When a girl says they have no comdoms, it's a clear sign they won't do BBFS otherwise why would they ask? In my experience, Asok place sells condoms and Baccara keeps a heap befind the downstairs bar. I have seen many girls checking out for a bar fine and grabbing them on the way out.

Anytime, I have ever received BBFS from any working girl whether go go girl, massage girl, or freelancer, it was never discussed. It just happened spontaneously. I have never asked for this from any workimg girl as it would be against my morals. If a lady offers that service, she won't talk about comdoms.

Finally, the safe sex thread should be area to talk about safe sex practices such as condoms, contraceptive choices for ladies, HIV, and other STDs. I am amazed that some members have delegated the safe sex thread to talk about how to get BBFS. Ridiculous!

Hey so I have been in Pattaya for the past 2 months, and thinking of going back to Bangkok. I think Pattaya quality isn't so great overall, and is super pricey (5 k ST at gogos due to 1. 5 k and 2 k barfines! If it isn't on walking street and it's in pattaya, it's probably not very good looking if sober. However, one major benefit to Pattaya is getting bareback is super easy, like 9/10 I get bareback and 1/3 of the time creampie if the girl likes having sex with me.

As expected, getting bareback here super easy. Just everywhere, every gogo girl offers it. But in my time in Bangkok, I never really tried to get bareback that much. But when I did, it always seemed to be more difficult because the scene there is more about soapies / massage and less about gogo's to me. And the Bangkok gogo girls I did take didn't really seem to keen on bareback at all. I think something to do with pattaya girls being newer and more ignorant hillbillies. Which has its advantages (easy to get bareback).

Any thoughts on where to get bareback in Bangkok? It seems gogo girls are not too keen on it. And neither are massage girls since they do so many guys in a day.

I have not used a rubber in Thailand in the last 15 years, easy to get.

Guys this thread is to discuss safe sex practices, not how to get BBFS.

Mogwai

06-05-17, 13:33

Finally, the safe sex thread should be area to talk about safe sex practices such as condoms, contraceptive choices for ladies, HIV, and other STDs. I am amazed that some members have delegated the safe sex thread to talk about how to get BBFS. Ridiculous!As far as I know this thread has been set up to give the often very hefty discussions about safe sex practices vs barebacking their own thread. But I could be wrong.

Anyway, for people who only want to practice safe sex I think it's important to know that BBFS is quite easy to get in Pattaya. It might help them in their decision to go there or not. Or to buy extra strong condoms, LOL.

Member #4591

06-05-17, 14:12

As far as I know this thread has been set up to give the often very hefty discussions about safe sex practices vs barebacking their own thread. But I could be wrong.

Anyway, for people who only want to practice safe sex I think it's important to know that BBFS is quite easy to get in Pattaya. It might help them in their decision to go there or not. Or to buy extra strong condoms, LOL.Is English your second language? "Safe sex thread" is not the place to talk about where to get bareback FS. It is the place to discuss the risks of bareback FS and how to practice safe sex and risks imvolived if you don't.

These discussions are strictly about where to find BBFS and do not belong here. In fact, they are prohibited by the forum guidelines. BBFS is not supposed to be the main topic of any post and I'm surprised admin has let it go on this long. It will just bring the safe sex police out in droves which we don't want. Here are the posting guidelines regarding this topic.

No Safe Sex Bragging.

Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment.

If you click on the original post of Parkville's, the subject line which you can't see when I quoted him is where to find BBFS. Sooner or later the safe sex police will be back and we don't want that for sure.

Banana Boi

06-05-17, 14:37

When a girl says they have no comdoms, it's a clear sign they won't do BBFS otherwise why would they ask? You're right!

Also correct that any BBFS is spontaneous.

XXL

06-05-17, 18:19

Finally, the safe sex thread should be area to talk about safe sex practices such as condoms, contraceptive choices for ladies, HIV, and other STDs. I am amazed that some members have delegated the safe sex thread to talk about how to get BBFS. Ridiculous!Likewise, the "Identifying transvestites" thread should be about how to avoid those obnoxious creatures, not about where to spot and befriend them, LOL.

EihTooms

06-06-17, 08:11

When a girl says they have no comdoms, it's a clear sign they won't do BBFS otherwise why would they ask? In my experience, Asok place sells condoms and Baccara keeps a heap befind the downstairs bar. I have seen many girls checking out for a bar fine and grabbing them on the way out.

Anytime, I have ever received BBFS from any working girl whether go go girl, massage girl, or freelancer, it was never discussed. It just happened spontaneously. I have never asked for this from any workimg girl as it would be against my morals. If a lady offers that service, she won't talk about comdoms.

Finally, the safe sex thread should be area to talk about safe sex practices such as condoms, contraceptive choices for ladies, HIV, and other STDs. I am amazed that some members have delegated the safe sex thread to talk about how to get BBFS. Ridiculous!

Guys this thread is to discuss safe sex practices, not how to get BBFS.Discussions about BBFS wind up here because several times on other threads when the subject is raised, authoritarian control freaks remind us to "Take this to the Safe Sex thread!" or something like that. So here we are. I have made the same observation as you when the subject of BBFS is raised. There should be a Real Sex Thread, i.e. sex without condom AND a Safe Sex Thread where everyone can compare the price, thickness, thinness, size and sturdiness of the condoms they buy, use and are actually having sex with.

Btw, to your opening question, the reason a Thai girl will ask if you have a condom EVEN THOUGH she is or will be just fine with engaging in BBFS with you is to 'save face', to make it at least appear to you that she is not necessarily agreeable to going BB with every customer. Just you. lol.

Syzygies

06-06-17, 11:57

Discussions about BBFS wind up here because several times on other threads when the subject is raised, authoritarian control freaks remind us to "Take this to the Safe Sex thread!" or something like that. So here we are. I have made the same observation as you when the subject of BBFS is raised. There should be a Real Sex Thread, i.e. sex without condom AND a Safe Sex Thread where everyone can compare the price, thickness, thinness, size and sturdiness of the condoms they buy, use and are actually having sex with.
From the Forums Posting Guidelines (link from front page):

"No Safe Sex Bragging! Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment. ".

It doesn't actually confine you to the Safe Sex thread at all. It's the opposite camp that are to be confined to the Safe Sex thread for their preaching. So as long as you are not "taunting" you should be okay However I recognise, that some members blow up on this issue very easily, creating a massive argumentative chain of posts, spoiling the Bangkok Thread for a period. However we are in the real world and we know very well that BBFS is going on a lot.

So you can mention BBFS "incidentally" in any thread you like, as I am sure you might.

Member #4591

06-06-17, 13:49

From the Forums Posting Guidelines (link from front page):

"No Safe Sex Bragging! Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment. ".

It doesn't actually confine you to the Safe Sex thread at all. It's the opposite camp that are to be confined to the Safe Sex thread for their preaching. So as long as you are not "taunting" you should be okay However I recognise, that some members blow up on this issue very easily, creating a massive argumentative chain of posts, spoiling the Bangkok Thread for a period. However we are in the real world and we know very well that BBFS is going on a lot.

So you can mention BBFS "incidentally" in any thread you like, as I am sure you might.Absolutely correct but members such as Parkville, are coming right out and asking where to find BBFS. I am afraid that it will spill over into the other threads and add fuel to the safe sex preachers which we all don't want.

Member #4591

06-06-17, 13:51

Sunlover2

06-06-17, 16:05

Btw, to your opening question, the reason a Thai girl will ask if you have a condom EVEN THOUGH she is or will be just fine with engaging in BBFS with you is to 'save face', to make it at least appear to you that she is not necessarily agreeable to going BB with every customer. Just you. lol.I think they ask if you have a condom because it spares them the hassle and expense of re-supply, and are more likely to be an appropriate fit.

If you do have your own they typically examine them to make sure they are of decent quality.

SL.

EihTooms

06-06-17, 16:52

I'm sorry but you are dead wrong. Asking where to find BBFS is not a topic that belongs on the safe sex thread. It does not belong anywhere on the board.Actually, it is highly debatable what the guidelines are really saying about discussions of BBFS. In fact, it would be helpful if the administrators clarified what they say about it in the guidelines:

[[NO Safe Sex Complaints.

No Safe Sex Complaints Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads. Any such "safe sex complaints" posted in the general discussion threads will be deleted without comment. However.

No Safe Sex Bragging Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment.

If you want to criticize another member for not following what you consider to be safe sex practices, then send him a PM.

It does no good to criticize members for not following what other members may consider to be safe sex practices for the following reasons:

1. It never serves to change any one's behavior.

2. It's a disincentive for members to contribute.

3. It almost always leads to arguments.

4. It provides a "cover" for Serial Antagonists to provoke other members.

To address the usual arguments:

1. If a guy wants to engage in sex without using a condom, that's his risk and his business.

2. If a girl wants to engage in sex without using a condom, that's her risk and her business.

3. If YOU want to protect yourself from either or both of the aforementioned parties, then YOU should use a condom for sex all the time and thus YOU will be protected from the allegedly unsafe sex practices of the other parties. ]].

BACK TO ME AGAIN:

I draw your attention to the one and only sentence in the entire write-up about safe sex "complaints, taunting, and bragging" that could possibly be construed to mean it is not ok to discuss BBFS or make it the focus of a report:

"No Safe Sex Bragging Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment. ".

That being the ONLY sentence that could possibly be construed to mean what you say it means while virtually every other word of the lengthy guideline is about telling YOU not to do what you are posting about here, I submit that the administrators could actually have meant YOUR references to someone having sex without a condom may only be made by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Otherwise, it falls under their definition of "complaining" or "taunting" other posters about it.

Frankly, it makes little sense to chastise posters attempting to do what you are doing right here and now, Bkkdog, in 99.9% of the administrators' entire statement on what constitutes "Safe Sex Complaints, Taunting and Bragging" and then plop that one out of sync sentence in there to mean what you say it means. Particularly when you consider the sentence that comes immediately before it and immediately after it. I think they are talking about YOU not devoting an entire post to "Safe Sex Complaints, Taunting and Bragging" as it is described and defined in virtually every other sentence, phrase and word of that rather lengthy guideline on the topic.

Even if that one and only somewhat non sequitur sentence in the guidelines means posting about having BBFS somewhere with someone should not be done to "taunt" others who do follow conventional safe sex procedures (and I think you have to twist and turn around virtually everything else said on the subject in the guidelines in order to reach that conclusion), I don't see where anyone is doing that here and can't remember ever reading such a post on this forum.

If I am wrong about my reading of it, I welcome a clarification by the administrators any time, please. Until and unless they do, Bkkdog, I think it is just as reasonable to conclude the guidelines are actually telling YOU to stop complaining and taunting other posters about their refusal to practice safe sex and especially telling YOU not to devote an entire report to such complaining and taunting as it is to conclude they are telling us what you think it means.

EihTooms

06-06-17, 17:45

I think they ask if you have a condom because it spares them the hassle and expense of re-supply, and are more likely to be an appropriate fit.

If you do have your own they typically examine them to make sure they are of decent quality.

SL.Yes, I agree with you on that point in the case where the girl will not proceed with FS unless someone produces a condom. But I was talking about the girls who ask if you have one and if you say no and they don't have one they just say oh ok, shrug it off and proceed with intimate behavior that leads to FS anyway.

Member #4591

06-06-17, 18:15

Actually, it is highly debatable what the guidelines are really saying about discussions of BBFS. In fact, it would be helpful if the administrators clarified what they say about it in the guidelines:

[[NO Safe Sex Complaints.

No Safe Sex Complaints Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads. Any such "safe sex complaints" posted in the general discussion threads will be deleted without comment. However.

No Safe Sex Bragging Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment.

If you want to criticize another member for not following what you consider to be safe sex practices, then send him a PM.

It does no good to criticize members for not following what other members may consider to be safe sex practices for the following reasons:

1. It never serves to change any one's behavior.

2. It's a disincentive for members to contribute.

3. It almost always leads to arguments.

4. It provides a "cover" for Serial Antagonists to provoke other members.

To address the usual arguments:

1. If a guy wants to engage in sex without using a condom, that's his risk and his business.

2. If a girl wants to engage in sex without using a condom, that's her risk and her business.

3. If YOU want to protect yourself from either or both of the aforementioned parties, then YOU should use a condom for sex all the time and thus YOU will be protected from the allegedly unsafe sex practices of the other parties. ]].

BACK TO ME AGAIN:

I draw your attention to the one and only sentence in the entire write-up about safe sex "complaints, taunting, and bragging" that could possibly be construed to mean it is not ok to discuss BBFS or make it the focus of a report:

"No Safe Sex Bragging Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment. ".

That being the ONLY sentence that could possibly be construed to mean what you say it means while virtually every other word of the lengthy guideline is about telling YOU not to do what you are posting about here, I submit that the administrators could actually have meant YOUR references to someone having sex without a condom may only be made by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Otherwise, it falls under their definition of "complaining" or "taunting" other posters about it.

Frankly, it makes little sense to chastise posters attempting to do what you are doing right here and now, Bkkdog, in 99.9% of the administrators' entire statement on what constitutes "Safe Sex Complaints, Taunting and Bragging" and then plop that one out of sync sentence in there to mean what you say it means. Particularly when you consider the sentence that comes immediately before it and immediately after it. I think they are talking about YOU not devoting an entire post to "Safe Sex Complaints, Taunting and Bragging" as it is described and defined in virtually every other sentence, phrase and word of that rather lengthy guideline on the topic.

Even if that one and only somewhat non sequitur sentence in the guidelines means posting about having BBFS somewhere with someone should not be done to "taunt" others who do follow conventional safe sex procedures (and I think you have to twist and turn around virtually everything else said on the subject in the guidelines in order to reach that conclusion), I don't see where anyone is doing that here and can't remember ever reading such a post on this forum.

If I am wrong about my reading of it, I welcome a clarification by the administrators any time, please. Until and unless they do, Bkkdog, I think it is just as reasonable to conclude the guidelines are actually telling YOU to stop complaining and taunting other posters about their refusal to practice safe sex and especially telling YOU not to devote an entire report to such complaining and taunting as it is to conclude they are telling us what you think it means.You totally missed the point. This thread is not for askimg where to find BBFS, it is for discussing safe sex. If one does this, it will start heated discussions about safe sex in the normal mongering threads. I swear, some of you really need to RTFF amd understand the posts.

EihTooms

06-06-17, 18:31

You totally missed the point. This thread is not for askimg where to find BBFS, it is for discussing safe sex. If one does this, it will start heated discussions about safe sex in the normal mongering threads. I swear, some of you really need to RTFF amd understand the posts.Then, according to my reading of those guidelines, BBFS discussions are acceptable in the regular threads, even discussions about where to find it. Therefore, no one should be telling posters who post about BBFS on the regular threads that they should "Take it to the Safe Sex thread" or anywhere else for that matter.

However, complaining and taunting other posters for posting about their not following so-called safe sex practices is not acceptable on any threads here, including this one. Would you agree?

Crocodilexp

06-06-17, 20:45

However, complaining and taunting other posters for posting about their not following so-called safe sex practices is not acceptable on any threads here, including this one. Would you agree?

From the FAQ: "Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread.". So, criticizing people for their unsafe sex is specifically allowed on this thread.

As far as I understand the FAQ, what you may not do anywhere is brag about unsafe sex (or call out others for doing it).

EihTooms

06-07-17, 02:23

From the FAQ: "Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread.". So, criticizing people for their unsafe sex is specifically allowed on this thread.

As far as I understand the FAQ, what you may not do anywhere is brag about unsafe sex (or call out others for doing it).Again, this is where the administrators would be helpful to clarify. In this case, it depends on the difference between "criticizing" and this:

"Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. "

Is more than one such taunting post within a 24 hour period considered "repeatedly"? Within a week? Occasionally? When does criticizing turn into complaining and taunting?

I might argue that asserting, and especially more than once, that asking where to find BBFS is a topic that does not belong anywhere on the board is already a form of excessive criticism or taunting on the subject since there is no such restriction listed in the guidelines about that.

Mogwai

06-07-17, 03:11

"Safe sex thread" is not the place to talk about where to get bareback FS. It is the place to discuss the risks of bareback FS and how to practice safe sex and risks imvolived if you don't.Correct, this thread is not the place to talk about where to get bareback FS and I never said it was. It is indeed the place to discuss the risks of bareback FS. But people who bareback and think those risks are often exaggerated should also be allowed to contribute to the discussion. That's all I was trying to say.

If you click on the original post of Parkville's, the subject line which you can't see when I quoted him is where to find BBFS. All that Parkville is saying in his post, is that BBFS is easier to get in Pattaya than in Bangkok. It's very general, he doesn't mention specific bars, agogo's or other places.

EihTooms

06-07-17, 04:44

All that Parkville is saying in his post, is that BBFS is easier to get in Pattaya than in Bangkok. It's very general, he doesn't mention specific bars, agogo's or other places.Yes, that is all he did really. Followed by some posts that imo went somewhat further than mere criticizing. Safe Sex fans could use that information as a reason to avoid one place or another due to its possibly being populated by more providers engaging in BBFS, I suppose. That would be true of any discussion of BBFS that includes "where to find it". Safe Sex fans ought to welcome such discussions since it tells them of places and venues to avoid.

However, in reply to his observation I must say my experience has been the exact opposite of Parkville's. Dramatically so.

Same with a genuine CIM finish for a BBBJ. I have found that much easier to get and from much better looking girls in Bangkok than in Pattaya. Fully appropriate to this thread, the CDC has assessed the likelihood of acquiring HIV from receiving a blowjob to be so tiny it doesn't even warrant one single digit chance in 10,000 BJ experiences with HIV-positive providers.

XXL

06-07-17, 19:46

Fully appropriate to this thread, the CDC has assessed the likelihood of acquiring HIV from receiving a blowjob to be so tiny it doesn't even warrant one single digit chance in 10,000 BJ experiences with HIV-positive providers.I'd be more worried about herpes from blowjobs. I've read in some medical papers that having one form of herpes could prevent you from contracting the other one, like having mouth herpes was a good predictor of not getting genital herpes and vice versa. To complicate matters, it also depended on whether you have HSP1 or HSP2 as both can infect mouth or genitals. The medical litterature is difficult to disentangle. I'd be interested to know more about this as I have cold sores (HSP 1 normally but I never had that ckecked). As a former member of barebacker's anonymous, it's the genital variant I should have got.

Syzygies

06-10-17, 03:58

I'd be more worried about herpes from blowjobs. I've read in some medical papers that having one form of herpes could prevent you from contracting the other one, like having mouth herpes was a good predictor of not getting genital herpes and vice versa. To complicate matters, it also depended on whether you have HSP1 or HSP2 as both can infect mouth or genitals. The medical litterature is difficult to disentangle. I'd be interested to know more about this as I have cold sores (HSP 1 normally but I never had that ckecked). As a former member of barebacker's anonymous, it's the genital variant I should have got.If you code an abbreviation, you want to think about its meaning and preferably expand it the first time.

E. g. HSV1 or 2 (Herpes Simplex Virus Types 1 or 2) or HPV (Human Papilloma Virus. Many different strains).

Now HSP1 and 2, I think that is meaningless to most of us. We can only guess you intended HSV-1 and HSV-2.

DudesOnTre

10-15-17, 14:04

Lefeu

10-16-17, 05:30

Syzygies

10-16-17, 12:45

Not sure if this is the correct thread, but let's see.

So I'm looking to have safe bareback sex in Pattaya, meaning to find a couple girls to spend the week or so, get tested and be safe.

Anyone have info if this is a working plan?

How much time does it take to get the results and where could one get those done?Yes its possible if you have the right money offer, without having done that myself. Testing at Red Cross in Bangkok gets a very fast prelim result and more definitive result comes later from virus amplification procedures (if no email in x days then everything is okay - I can't remember the delay). There is never any 100% guarantee but you would get a 99% guarantee good enough, to make getting struck by lightning as comparable.

So I don't concur with Lefeu exactly, except for sure there is no 100% guarantee of anything (especially monogamy in the mongering world).

Actually the biggest risk you would face is getting girls pregnant, if all of you are pre-tested for a wide variety of diseases (a bit expensive to get all tests for 3 persons. HIV only is cheap). As example some girls use 3 month vaccination against pregnancy. Some still get pregnant. "The pill" fails when girls forget to take it or not on time.

A very significant proportion of Thai P4P girls have been accidentally pregnant, and a high proportion of those did not get an abortion for religious reasons, or because it's illegal, or because they were in denial, or unaware, etc.

Crocodilexp

10-18-17, 11:48

So I'm looking to have safe bareback sex in Pattaya, meaning to find a couple girls to spend the week or so, get tested and be safe. Anyone have info if this is a working plan? How much time does it take to get the results and where could one get those done?
There are places where you can get tested for HIV plus Syphilis and get the results within 1 h. Red Cross clinic in Bangkok is one of them, I'm sure some exist in Pattaya too (which ones you can trust is something to consider). A few years ago, HIV tests used to only show results 3 months after exposure (in other words, you could still be HIV+ and get a negative result if you recently acquired it). Not sure how long the window is with the newer tests.

Testing for other STDs things like Gonorrhea or Chlamydia is not that quick, it takes a few days or even weeks for the results to come back. Those things are not lethal, but there are some antibiotic-resistant strains in Thailand that are not at all easy to cure.

Summary is, if you do some testing beforehand, you can be safer, but not really safe. If you have a regular partner, I wouldn't risk bringing something nasty back to them, and would stick with a condom. However, if you're single, you may well get an HIV test, do your bareback thing, and take the risk of catching something (and later curing it).

For mongering, I think an ED pill plus thin condom combination works way better (safer and more bang for the buck) than trying to concoct all kinds of schemes to decrease the risk of going bareback.

EihTooms

10-19-17, 06:17

A few years ago, HIV tests used to only show results 3 months after exposure (in other words, you could still be HIV+ and get a negative result if you recently acquired it). Not sure how long the window is with the newer tests.
When I get tested for HIV and Syphilis at the Thai Red Cross on Ratchedamri in Bangkok, the routine is to get the result/document from one of their experienced clinic technicians or counselors. She (it is typically a woman) will try to put in a word or two about wearing condoms and so on. One time I got tested along with a girlfriend and we both got the exit counseling together. These days it seems they are going with about 1 month between tests giving you the necessary and sufficiently accurate info. That is what the counselor told us when I went in with the girl; if we both only had sex with each other and got tested again in a month, we would know everything we needed to know.

That might not match the consensus of thought among the worldwide community of HIV testers, I don't know. But that is what the testers in Thai's Red Cross feel is enough. And chances are they are being overly cautious about it anyway, might even be enough to check again in just two weeks. Just my opinion there, of course.

BobLou

10-19-17, 07:27

I believe it is 6 weeks now.

When I get tested for HIV and Syphilis at the Thai Red Cross on Ratchedamri in Bangkok, the routine is to get the result/document from one of their experienced clinic technicians or counselors. She (it is typically a woman) will try to put in a word or two about wearing condoms and so on. One time I got tested along with a girlfriend and we both got the exit counseling together. These days it seems they are going with about 1 month between tests giving you the necessary and sufficiently accurate info. That is what the counselor told us when I went in with the girl; if we both only had sex with each other and got tested again in a month, we would know everything we needed to know.

That might not match the consensus of thought among the worldwide community of HIV testers, I don't know. But that is what the testers in Thai's Red Cross feel is enough. And chances are they are being overly cautious about it anyway, might even be enough to check again in just two weeks. Just my opinion there, of course.

BionicMan

10-19-17, 09:45

Not sure if this is the correct thread, but let's see.

So I'm looking to have safe bareback sex in Pattaya, meaning to find a couple girls to spend the week or so, get tested and be safe.

Anyone have info if this is a working plan?

How much time does it take to get the results and where could one get those done?I don't see this as a way to have safe sex, honestly.

The two girls might be your exclusive partner (supposing the whole process of checking is feasible and working, also time-wise), but who guarantees you are the esclusive partner for the two girls?

All this aside the need to find two girls ready for bareback.

If by culture and education they are not into it, your "story" will not convince them.

If money will convince them, it means many other can persuade them (past and present).

If by attitude they are ready for it, without too much hesitation, maybe not even money (I experienced it is quite normal amongst philipina working girls to enjoy if not even demand bareback) then, it is part of their daily working routine.

It is still a Russian roulette. You can mitigate it with plastic or rubber bullets, but still one csn shoot into your head.

Syzygies

10-19-17, 11:38

I don't see this as a way to have safe sex, honestly.
It is strange he added the word "safe" to his question, since no one knows what he means by the term. Maybe he can avoid a major risk of dying but cannot be totally free of all risks. I tend to ignore his "safe" word. The important point really is his wish to fuck both girls bareback.

Lee66

10-19-17, 11:50

Look into preexposure prophylaxis for std, in google. , truva#the for hiv. Doxycycline for syphilis, chlamydia, and most gonorrhea.

Syzygies

10-19-17, 12:25

There are places where you can get tested for HIV plus Syphilis and get the results within 1 h. Red Cross clinic in Bangkok is one of them, I'm sure some exist in Pattaya too (which ones you can trust is something to consider). A few years ago, HIV tests used to only show results 3 months after exposure (in other words, you could still be HIV+ and get a negative result if you recently acquired it). Not sure how long the window is with the newer tests.
I have looked into this for HIV tests. The Red Cross gives you your test result within one hour. It is not guaranteed certain test. It merely reports that negative means there is a high probability you have not had HIV for long enough for the Virus to become so amplified as to test positive. It is still possible you have contracted HIV in the last few weeks, but unlikely to be missed if you had it for significant time, e. G. Over 3 months.

The Red Cross then perform a subsequent backup Virus Amplification test. This takes several days to get a result. However the result is significantly more reliable in that any HIV contracted more than two weeks prior is almost certain to be detected. If you test positive to the backup more certain test, they will contact you, in order to do another independent verification test. If no contact occurs, then you are clean.

So your certificate from the initial test does not mean so much, in reality. You have to wait for several days of no contact from them, e. G by email, to really have the all clear signal. So when you show the girl your paper printed test result, it really means you did not have HIV for over 3 months, and unlikely over a month.

The amplification test would be expensive in some clinics. Red Cross are able to do it much cheaper using a sneaky scientific technique. They can take everyone's blood samples from a specific time period or number of testees, each person's samples split into two. Let's call then the A and the be sample. Then perhaps they mix the A samples for say 100 people together and run the virus amplification procedure. If the A sample 100 batch tests positive to HIV, then they have to retest all 100 be samples on an individual basis. If the A sample 100 batch test is negative, then testing the 100 be samples can be avoided as the entire batch of 100 persons get the all clear. I don't actually know the optimal size of each batch and how many persons are in it.

Nothing gives you an absolutely clean bill of health unless you abstained for 2 weeks prior to your test. Then as soon as you fuck again you are not longer 100% clean.

So in the end, the practical reality of testing is merely to greatly reduce the probability of having caught HIV.

Statistical number do not have significant cases of HIV proven to have arisen through oral sex (and always harder for man to catch it anyway relative to a woman). So I therefore don't consider BBBJ or DATY to be a significant risk to a male (for HIV). Just doesn't happen. Other diseases are much easier to contract.

I am therefor far more concerned about new diseases coming along like the Mycoplasma Genitalium, and the very easy to catch traditional STDs like Chlamydia (as example). I once had non-specific Urethritus (causing painful peeing) and my only BB partner at the time had nothing. In fact I think I had no other sex partners for a significant time then. So I never knew exactly what sort of bacterial infection it was or how I got it. I was probably better off to say nothing to her till I got the test results which did not identify a known definite STD.

Next Red Cross visit I can test for HIV, and Mycoplasma, and do long term IgG test for ever having contracted Herpes HSV-2 (long ago) or not. I don't really know if ever had it. Certainly no specific symptoms.

Maybe I had a common cold sore HSV-1, maybe not. No clear symptom experienced, but 80% of mongers should have had a cold sore contracted at some point, even if not aware of it being that for certain.

Soroche

10-20-17, 00:16

I have looked into this for HIV tests. The Red Cross gives you your test result within one hour. It is not guaranteed certain test. It merely reports that negative means there is a high probability you have not had HIV for long enough for the Virus to become so amplified as to test positive. It is still possible you have contracted HIV in the last few weeks, but unlikely to be missed if you had it for significant time, e. G. Over 3 months.

The Red Cross then perform a subsequent backup Virus Amplification test. This takes several days to get a result. However the result is significantly more reliable in that any HIV contracted more than two weeks prior is almost certain to be detected. If you test positive to the backup more certain test, they will contact you, in order to do another independent verification test. If no contact occurs, then you are clean.

So your certificate from the initial test does not mean so much, in reality. You have to wait for several days of no contact from them, e. G by email, to really have the all clear signal. So when you show the girl your paper printed test result, it really means you did not have HIV for over 3 months, and unlikely over a month..Hepatitis A be and see should be included as a significant percentage of the Thai population has one of these and I believe its fairly easy to acquire as the virus is tough and hard to kill and can be transmitted through sex or even a pedicure with unsterilized instruments. A and be can be prevented with a course of 3 injections over 6 months and see now has a new vaccine that is about 95% effective. I'm not sure why the second and third letters of the alphabet automatically change to be and see. Anyone know how to fix that?

Mogwai

10-20-17, 08:22

I'm not sure why the second and third letters of the alphabet automatically change to be and see. Anyone know how to fix that?It's the auto-correction of this forum that's to blame for this. You can correct the auto-correction by clicking on 'Edit Post' after you have uploaded your post. But once you've logged out you cannot do this anymore.

EihTooms

10-20-17, 10:06

Hepatitis A be and see should be included as a significant percentage of the Thai population has one of these and I believe its fairly easy to acquire as the virus is tough and hard to kill and can be transmitted through sex or even a pedicure with unsterilized instruments. A and be can be prevented with a course of 3 injections over 6 months and see now has a new vaccine that is about 95% effective. I'm not sure why the second and third letters of the alphabet automatically change to be and see. Anyone know how to fix that?I did a Google search for the Hepatitis C vaccine you mentioned and the only credible source info I found is there is still no vaccine for it. I got the vaccine series for Hep A + B and a booster years ago and recently for HPV. But I have not read elsewhere that there is a new vaccine for Hep C. Do you have a link for a report on that?

Soroche

10-20-17, 12:02

I did a Google search for the Hepatitis C vaccine you mentioned and the only credible source info I found is there is still no vaccine for it. I got the vaccine series for Hep A + B and a booster years ago and recently for HPV. But I have not read elsewhere that there is a new vaccine for Hep C. Do you have a link for a report on that?The name of the drug is Solvaldi and it is manufactured by Gilead a US drug company and approved by the FDA. Actually, it is not a vaccine but an 84 pill (minimum) course of treatment. The treatment is $100,000 in the US but you can get the pills in India for $1000 US.

BobLou

10-20-17, 12:19

There is none for hepatitis C.

I did a Google search for the Hepatitis C vaccine you mentioned and the only credible source info I found is there is still no vaccine for it. I got the vaccine series for Hep A + B and a booster years ago and recently for HPV. But I have not read elsewhere that there is a new vaccine for Hep C. Do you have a link for a report on that?

Dextro Sol

10-21-17, 01:43

Goatscrot

10-21-17, 05:16

One thing that I have been thinking about lately is this: You stick your cock into a womans mouth and let her suck it without protection, you lick the womans pussy without protection. So why is it so important to use a condom when I fuck her pussy? For me it seems like the condom only is to protect from pregnancy. Or is it in any way less likely to catch some disease if you only do oral sex?You are far more likely to get a STI from vaginal intercourse than you are oral, giving or receiving.

Syzygies

10-21-17, 07:38

It's the auto-correction of this forum that's to blame for this. You can correct the auto-correction by clicking on 'Edit Post' after you have uploaded your post. But once you've logged out you cannot do this anymore.Well you can log back on again. Moderated Posters probably cannot edit their posts, I guess, unless there is a trick technique.

I find that spellings get changed as I type as well. E. g. "Mamasan" is automatically changed to "Mamas an".

One thing I do to defeat Auto Corrector. Before hitting the Post button, highlight entire post and copy it to the clip board. After posting, edit the post and paste the entire saved clipboard text back over, replacing the entire post.

This corrects the autocorrector (auto-masher) and also allows Thai Script to work better (provided it has spaces around it).

It does not overcome use of banned words like "p iss".

BobLou

10-21-17, 08:00

Please go though this.

https://futurism.com/scientists-may-have-discovered-a-functional-cure-for-hiv/

Franga

10-21-17, 08:02

One thing that I have been thinking about lately is this: You stick your cock into a womans mouth and let her suck it without protection, you lick the womans pussy without protection. So why is it so important to use a condom when I fuck her pussy? For me it seems like the condom only is to protect from pregnancy. Or is it in any way less likely to catch some disease if you only do oral sex?You can catch HIV from vaginal sex, but not oral sex, that is the main difference. You can still catch pharyngeal gonorrhoea from BBBJ.

Mogwai

10-21-17, 08:48

Well you can log back on again. Moderated Posters probably cannot edit their posts, I guess, unless there is a trick technique.Yes, good point. Most likely only senior members can edit their posts. I didn't think of that.

You can log back on again but then you won't be able to edit your old posts anymore.

Syzygies

10-22-17, 07:46

Yes, good point. Most likely only senior members can edit their posts. I didn't think of that.

You can log back on again but then you won't be able to edit your old posts anymore.Well the point is that a Moderated poster does not even see the post after posting it, so cannot select it for editing.

Crocodilexp

10-23-17, 07:24

Nothing gives you an absolutely clean bill of health unless you abstained for 2 weeks prior to your test. Then as soon as you fuck again you are not longer 100% clean.This is important to emphasize.

Now, for a moderately active sex worker who had 5-20 partners during those 2 weeks, the risk immediately after a clean test is roughly similar to that for a normal sexually active woman who got a clean test about 1-2 years ago.

Not reassuring enough to do BBFS or BBA+ from my perspective.

Bushes

10-23-17, 08:33

One thing that I have been thinking about lately is this: You stick your cock into a womans mouth and let her suck it without protection, you lick the womans pussy without protection. So why is it so important to use a condom when I fuck her pussy? For me it seems like the condom only is to protect from pregnancy. Or is it in any way less likely to catch some disease if you only do oral sex?One is suppose to use Oral Dam. However, note Michael Douglas' joke about his throat cancer. The Internet has a lot of information but one needs to be able to filter and understand and ask a professional.

Syzygies

10-23-17, 19:38

One is suppose to use Oral Dam. However, note Michael Douglas' joke about his throat cancer. The Internet has a lot of information but one needs to be able to filter and understand and ask a professional.You could have quoted the joke, it was any good. Dirty jokes are usually the funniest.

Not every doctor is an expert in this field of STDs. A specialist in the field will be better of course, and I am sure will suggest that oral sex risks are far lower (at least for the man), but not totally risk free. Even the toilet seat has some risk. LOL.

Bushes

10-24-17, 08:01

You could have quoted the joke, it was any good. Dirty jokes are usually the funniest.

Not every doctor is an expert in this field of STDs. A specialist in the field will be better of course, and I am sure will suggest that oral sex risks are far lower (at least for the man), but not totally risk free. Even the toilet seat has some risk. LOL.Syzgies,

As they say, what do you call the doctor who came last in his class?

Michael Douglas had throat cancer a little while ago. He was quoted as saying it was because he ate too much pussy over the years. (Or maybe just Zeta's) I think I read that HPV can cause throat cancer and that the risks are higher for men than for women. There was a recent study that with the actual numbers. It was really not that funny a joke but did cause me to chuckle.

AussieDoug

10-24-17, 11:50

Hepatitis A be and see should be included as a significant percentage of the Thai population has one of these and I believe its fairly easy to acquire as the virus is tough and hard to kill and can be transmitted through sex or even a pedicure with unsterilized instruments. A and be can be prevented with a course of 3 injections over 6 months and see now has a new vaccine that is about 95% effective. I'm not sure why the second and third letters of the alphabet automatically change to be and see. Anyone know how to fix that?All Thai people are vaccinated against Hep be as a child, Hep A, is somewhat difficult to vaccinate against, but not all that serious when infected, Hep see is another game.

Mumbai Guy

07-20-18, 18:18

What things should I bear in mind for not catching any disease? I'd need more info. .That is a funny question. If you want to be 100% safe then stay away from P4 P. There is always some risk involved when you have sex with a P4 P girl. However you can minimize the risks by taking basic precautions like use of condoms for penetrative sex. Avoid BBBJ or DATY if you suspect a girl is not hygienic or has bad pussy odor.

Bushes

07-20-18, 18:23

A famous lady once famously said "Just say no."

What things should I bear in mind for not catching any disease? I'd need more info..

JoseNosay

07-21-18, 10:42

What things should I bear in mind for not catching any disease? I'd need more info. .Avoiding catching any disease is a losing battle, all humans have a disease that eventually kills them, so why fight a losing battle. But to avoid the hardship & stigma of STDs.

HIV: Teno-EM / Truvada works like condoms and make infection near impossible, if your IQ allows you to understand how they work go read more, if you take Gilead scientists word even better (BB sex is real sex).

Most* Other infections: require Antibiotics, think of it as a good time to do a major clean up that you needed anyways (since you fear diseases), then take yogurt (or probiotic supplements).

If you psychologically afraid of diseases, then sir. Stay away from mongering & all kinds of risky interaction with bio-entities (including nasty food staff). Await death, as another old peasant who gets force-fed the bitter dish of death against his will.

HectorG

07-21-18, 16:32

HIV: Teno-EM / Truvada works like condoms and make infection near impossible, if your IQ allows you to understand how they work go read more, if you take Gilead scientists word even better (BB sex is real sex).
l.How soon before visiting Thailand should you start on Truvada? Do you keep taking it after? And is it available in Pattaya pharmacies?

JoseNosay

07-21-18, 16:51

How soon before visiting Thailand should you start on Truvada? Do you keep taking it after? And is it available in Pattaya pharmacies?

Start one week before sex & keep taking it for one month after sex.

Its available in Thai Govt Hospitals, go to the CDC talk to the doctor.

For specialty clinic, google Silom Pulse Clinic in Bangkok. Make an Appointment ($30/ bottle, another $120 for tests).

If you want to start mongering right away, order the Thai or Indian generic version from an online pharmacy that ships to you ($50/ bottle). Try to start dosing 1 week before mongering.

Robert Long

07-21-18, 22:50

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XXL

08-11-18, 09:20

Gladiator69

08-19-18, 17:20

Avoiding catching any disease is a losing battle, all humans have a disease that eventually kills them, so why fight a losing battle. But to avoid the hardship & stigma of STDs.

HIV: Teno-EM / Truvada works like condoms and make infection near impossible, if your IQ allows you to understand how they work go read more, if you take Gilead scientists word even better (BB sex is real sex).

Most* Other infections: require Antibiotics, think of it as a good time to do a major clean up that you needed anyways (since you fear diseases), then take yogurt (or probiotic supplements).Truvada is more than 90% effective against HIV if taken correctly. As an user, I think it's another layer of protection in case condom breaks or when things get too hot and decided to go bareback. But Truvada does not protect against pregnancy or herpes (both motherfuckers follow you for life). Every action has consequences, nothing is 100%; but hey, you are in Thailand surrounded by all these hot girls, just grab some condoms and enjoy their accompany.

Syzygies

09-23-18, 09:02

That is a funny question. If you want to be 100% safe then stay away from P4 P. There is always some risk involved when you have sex with a P4 P girl. However you can minimize the risks by taking basic precautions like use of condoms for penetrative sex. Avoid BBBJ or DATY if you suspect a girl is not hygienic or has bad pussy odor.P4 P girls are probably not more risky than non P4 Ps with a lot of partners. Could be the reverse.

Syzygies

09-23-18, 09:23

The first pic should be the Sagami 002 but it says "non natural latex condom". I hope this is a mistranslation for non natural latex (polyisoprene) is as crappy as latex.

The 2nd pic is Okamoto 003. Am I right in remembering that it is only 0.0002 thicker than the Sagami 0.002 which is in fact 0.0028 thick, the rounding down to 0.002 being commercially clever but arithmetically wrong?The translation is reasonable. The Thai says "This condom does not contain any natural latex rubber". This means it contains something else probably synthetic. The Thai phrase does not attempt to say what it is, only what it does not contain. Some girls claim to be allergic to latex.

I use these Okamota 003's because I can buy them easily in 7 Eleven and because the feel is superior to me to others I tried, including Sagamis. Sagami condoms go on wrinkled and are not really stretchy (non latex). This I don't like. Okamotos are latex and stretch well, which they need to since they are slightly too small. Using the right technique I can get them on easily, firm fit, with no bubbles hopefully, but okay Because the stretch force is not severe. I always put them on myself rather than have the girl struggle with it and cause the harm on to go down.

With any latex condom, lube is needed for any fucking beyond a quickie. Girl natural lube does not last and not enough for latex. I like very slippery myself, as it feels more normal. I always use lube even without condoms. Can easily graze a girls pussy skin if lube is inadequate from latex friction.

Syzygies

09-23-18, 09:42

Most* Other infections: require Antibiotics, think of it as a good time to do a major clean up that you needed anyways (since you fear diseases), then take yogurt (or probiotic supplements).
Taking Antibiotics is fine if really becomes necessary, however routine taking is not good. Destroys your gut bacteria. Changes your metabolism. It becomes hard to get your gut bacteria back into good shape. You need to starve the bad bacteria from sugars and eat a very high fibre diet to promote the right types. Your gut bacteria may never return to normal. Fast weight gain occurs and is hard to lose it again.

Probiotics may have benefits but studies show they are rather doubtful. Might depend greatly on the type. Keffir might be a lot better than Yogourt drinks. I am not an expert here. However wise to be sceptical.

https://www.alexfergus.com/blog/11-reasons-to-avoid-yakult-and-other-probiotic-drinks Yakult is high added sugar or artificial sweeteners. Bad. Many Yogourts have sugar added. No good. They sell zero percent fat yogourt but it still has sugar. The old low fat is good for you myth is still around. Sugar is more fattening than is fat in food.

https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2018/09/probiotic-supplements-are-not-universally-beneficial-and-sometimes-may-be-harmful-studies-find/

https://www.livescience.com/63513-probiotics-benefits-questioned.html

It is better not to take long term antibiotics. Don't destroy your gut bacteria balance if possible.

Taking antibiotics with a cold or flu may be a bad idea. Was a bad idea I tried to treat pimples with long term anti-biotics. Changed me from skinny to able to gain weight easily. The correct way would have been to have a healthy diet low in sugar and starches, drink water.

I have some spare antibiotics in case of catching an STD or similar, but I really don't want to use it.

My personal bias is to a low sugar low starch high fibre diet. I never worry about fat content of foods. Not a vegetarian but don't overdo meat intake. Low meat is greatly assisting weight loss too. It is easy to see weight gains when sugar and simple starch intake goes up.

If you have serious weight problems, it could be your gut bacteria population is imbalanced and feeding the wrong bacteria with sugars, beer, and starchy foods like bread, potatoes, rice, pasta etc. Research the internet to find the latest theories. The science of the metabolism is still in its infancy. The old avoid saturated fats myth was promoted by the fraud "not even scientist" Keyes. He was known to cherry pick his data. How is it that Eskimos on very high fat diets (animal fat) are not prone to heart disease? The fallacy was so obvious. Disproving stupid theories is a lot easier than proving anything.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/it-aint-the-fat-people#section8

https://academic.oup.com/jhmas/article/63/2/139/772615

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/21/opinion/when-the-government-tells-you-what-to-eat.html

Government dietary advice has been bad for so long. No need to believe them at all, even their latest updates are likely to include myths. Maybe in another 200 years, we will understand the importance of choosing what we eat better, and no more about causes of Alzheimers, heart disease, cancer etc. I prefer to take less risks and avoid chemicals and additives in food if possible, eat natural fresh stuff like our ancestors did. Unfortunately when young, I already ate a lot of junk. Can't undo that now.

No one seems to think high fibre vegetables are bad for you (not including potatoes here). No one thinks pure plain water is bad for you.

Sandman33

01-08-19, 16:17

I have read quit a bit of this thread, and it is important to note that most medical studies are incorrect and cannot be replicated. For example see:

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778

"Science is facing a "reproducibility crisis" where more than two-thirds of researchers have tried and failed to reproduce another scientist's experiments, research suggests. ".

There is one obvious reason for this, namely that it is almost impossible to isolate just one factor, just one life-style choice, so as to assess the relevant of that factor, and its own individual and unique risks. Thus the chances are that those that have engaged in BBFS have also engaged in BBBJ. Those that have engaged in DATY probably have also engaged in BBBJs. Thus it becomes very difficult to associate what the risk is individually, ie. , only engaging in BBFS and not also in DATY or BBBJ (or any individual habit). Further, a man always sees what he wants to see, so it is easy to delude oneself as to the real risks, and convince oneself that a certain practice is not particularly risky.

HIV (and most STDs) are passed on by the exchange of bodily fluids. What if you have DATY with a girl who has just finished her period, but is still excreting very small, but almost invisible, quantities of blood? Ditto, if the girl is about to come on to her period. DATY at this time of the month, may involve the man licking (and ingesting) very small quantities of blood.

There is a risk with any sex, and in my opinion there is no substitute for both parties thoroughly washing (including mouth wash) both before sex, and promptly after sex. It is nice to hold a girl in your arms after sex, but despite the temptations it is best for both to thoroughly wash ASAP, and then go back to hugging and kissing. It is a good idea to use not simply ordinary soap but a proper anti bacterial wash. Anyway one can always have a bit of fun in the shower, although for the girl she needs to makes sure she washes internally.

At one time, before the relatively recent change in the law, many German FKK clubs offered tabulos days (all forms of uncovered sex) and I have never seen a study where it has been shown that the risks of attending that type of Club is significantly higher than FKK clubs which practiced entirely safe sex.

Syzygies

01-09-19, 04:00

There is a risk with any sex, and in my opinion there is no substitute for both parties thoroughly washing (including mouth wash) both before sex, and promptly after sex. It is nice to hold a girl in your arms after sex, but despite the temptations it is best for both to thoroughly wash ASAP, and then go back to hugging and kissing. It is a good idea to use not simply ordinary soap but a proper anti bacterial wash. Anyway one can always have a bit of fun in the shower, although for the girl she needs to makes sure she washes internally.
Do you have studies to show how much more effective a so called "anti-bacterial" soap is over an ordinary soap? I suspect marketing hype may exaggerate it. If you consult Gynaecologists, I believe they advise girls that vaginas are not meant to receive soap at all. Mucks up the bodies natural balance, and high pH may not be good promoting fungal infections such as thrush. Hence they do make special wash lotions for vaginas. A good wash after sex is essential especially the hands as well which have collected bacteria.

As for surveys re STDs, one problem is many people may be lairs, and some famous researchers had to be discredited, since the fantasized average American's sex life was much better than reality.

Perhaps it is possible to isolate some subjects that received BBBJ and did DATY but never did BBFS, and find in these cases an much lower rate of HIV. Perhaps some guys never took a BBBJ as well. Lesbians might be indulging in DATY only. Anyway I believe it was possible to say that they had a hard time proving that subjects ever got HIV from DATY, or numbers so low as to be quite unsure. Certainly they deduced the risk was far lower than BBFS, already a quite low risk for the guy, but higher risk for the girl. After so many years of research and varying results, some sort of average pattern emerges, but risk rates may have a significant error margin.

I believe I read of studies some time back on lesbian partners practising DATY and one of them being HIV positive, and finding the virus was not passed on in general. So DATY maybe very low on the scale of risks.

It is believed that saliva is very good at protecting against STDs. It is generally accepted that DATY and BBBJ are lower risks than BBFS, however I believe I once contracted Chlamydia from a BBBJ although cannot prove it 100% (depends on how long it takes to surface after contact). The doctor did not necessarily believe me at all. Once you have had more than one partner, is hard to prove which one gave it to you unless you have their positive test as well, and negatives for the others. Very large samples are needed to make better deductions.

Franga

01-14-19, 17:04

HIV (and most STDs) are passed on by the exchange of bodily fluids. What if you have DATY with a girl who has just finished her period, but is still excreting very small, but almost invisible, quantities of blood? Ditto, if the girl is about to come on to her period. DATY at this time of the month, may involve the man licking (and ingesting) very small quantities of blood.
HIV infection occurs through direct entry into the bloodstream, not via the exchange of bodily fluids like you claim.

Ingesting a girl's blood does not result in the transmission of HIV.

Direct entry to the bloodstream can occur for example if you have an open wound on your dick (caused by a herpes blister for example), or via needle sharing.

If DATY resulted in HIV transmission then most of the entire adult age human population would probably be HIV positive by now. Don't you think?

Franga

03-24-19, 16:16

I recently posted about a possible STD picked up in Pattaya. I posted about it in the Bangkok Reports, so have now switched to the Safe Sex in Thailand section.

Guys, many thanks for your suggestions. Today I walked into the Pattaya City Hospital which is on Soi Buakhao close to Soi Lengkee.

I got an appointment with a doctor but had to pay a 1000 baht deposit first.

After describing my illness (inflammed penile urethra that made peeeing extremely painful, plus a small clear yellowish discharge from the tip), the doctor directed me to have a uriine test. I had to deliver only 30 ML to a small container. The results were to take only one hour.

The uriine test was inconclusive for STD's but did show high Leucocytes (white blood cells) indicating that they were fighting an infection.

So the doctor then wanted to test the penile discharge for possible gonorrhea so I smeared my dick on two small glass plates. The results became available after two hours but did not manage to pick up an indication of gonorrhea, which the doctor said could be due to the initial injection that I had at a clinic 3 days earlier.

She concluded that I probably have a gonococcal infection (but unproven), and prescribed a 7 day course of Doxycycline antibiotics. 2 x 100 MG per day.

Plus she prescribed Ibuprofen 400 MG, 3 times daily as an anti-inflammatory, plus Paracetamol 500 gm, 2 tabs every 6 hours for pain relief.

All up the cost for everything (consultations, uriine test, medications) was 892 baht (about $30 usd). Extremely reasonable.

The doctor's name was Dr Petcharat Sae-wong, a fairly young female who spoke good English and seemed to know what she was doing.

I will see how things progress, but overall I think it is best to avoid clinics where they don't test you, and go to a hospital instead.

PedroMorales

03-24-19, 16:58

The doctor's name was Dr Petcharat Sae-wong, a fairly young female who spoke good English and seemed to know what she was doing. I will see how things progress, but overall I think it is best to avoid clinics where they don't test you, and go to a hospital instead.As Dr Sae-Wong works in Pattaya, no doubt she is familiar with STIs. Good, cautionary report.

MongerForSex

03-24-19, 23:26

I got an appointment with a doctor but had to pay a 1000 baht deposit first.

After describing my illness (inflammed penile urethra that made peeeing extremely painful, plus a small clear yellowish discharge from the tip), the doctor directed me to have a uriine test. I had to deliver only 30 ML to a small container. The results were to take only one hour.

The uriine test was inconclusive for STD's but did show high Leucocytes (white blood cells) indicating that they were fighting an infection.

So the doctor then wanted to test the penile discharge for possible gonorrhea so I smeared my dick on two small glass plates. The results became available after two hours but did not manage to pick up an indication of gonorrhea, which the doctor said could be due to the initial injection that I had at a clinic 3 days earlier.

She concluded that I probably have a gonococcal infection (but unproven), and prescribed a 7 day course of Doxycycline antibiotics. 2 x 100 MG per day.

Plus she prescribed Ibuprofen 400 MG, 3 times daily as an anti-inflammatory, plus Paracetamol 500 gm, 2 tabs every 6 hours for pain relief.
Next time, go to a clinic and see an urologist specialist in male organs or a venereologist specialist in infectious diseases. You need to visit a specialist that's used to this kind of problem. A specialist can easily tell you what you have when you visit him / her. She is general practicioner or specialist? Antibiotics can affect the test, that's why you are asked to have a test before taking the treatment.

I hope things will be better for you.

EihTooms

03-25-19, 04:43

...

After describing my illness (inflammed penile urethra that made peeeing extremely painful, plus a small clear yellowish discharge from the tip), the doctor directed me to have a uriine test. I had to deliver only 30 ML to a small container. The results were to take only one hour.

The uriine test was inconclusive for STD's but did show high Leucocytes (white blood cells) indicating that they were fighting an infection.

So the doctor then wanted to test the penile discharge for possible gonorrhea so I smeared my dick on two small glass plates. The results became available after two hours but did not manage to pick up an indication of gonorrhea, which the doctor said could be due to the initial injection that I had at a clinic 3 days earlier.

She concluded that I probably have a gonococcal infection (but unproven), and prescribed a 7 day course of Doxycycline antibiotics. 2 x 100 MG per day.

Plus she prescribed Ibuprofen 400 MG, 3 times daily as an anti-inflammatory, plus Paracetamol 500 gm, 2 tabs every 6 hours for pain relief.
... As I recall, your symptoms occurred the day after getting a blowjob, is that right? Forgive me if I am misremembering it. But this still might apply to others.

The only times I have gotten a "scare" about possibly getting a STI due to experiencing the same symptoms you described was after getting an overly aggressive blowjob or engaging in prolonged, also overly aggressive fucking, especially if the girl is an enthusiastic rider in cowgirl position and just can't seem to get enough of it. LOL.

And in those cases, I went to a clinic and got the same results; no sign, evidence or indication of an STI. But there was an indication of some kind of internal penile damage, abrasion, trauma, inflamation or whatever that caused the symptoms. And I believe that is all there is to it. In my case, that is. There was simply too much tugging, pulling, squeezing, ramming, slamming and so on from the girls hands, mouth, pussy and pelvis from the sex acts and it eventually did some damage to the inner workings of my dick. Some pretty delicate tubing in there, you know.

Again, sorry if I misremembered what precipitated your symptoms. But I thought I read about your symptoms and the onset of them happening the day after getting a blowjob and, I swear, I almost chimed in then with what probably was going on based on my rare experience with the same thing.

Franga

03-25-19, 05:56

She is general practicioner or specialist?
She is a general practitioner from what I observed. Yes, the problem I had was trying to find someone who was a specialist. It is quite hard to do that using online resources. Maybe it would be easier to find a specialist in Bangkok, as Pattaya is a bit of a small town. Thanks.

Franga

03-25-19, 06:07

As I recall, your symptoms occurred the day after getting a blowjob, is that right?Yes, I had a BBBJ followed by sex with condom with a girl who I had seen many times before without any issues.

Then I think the next day I noticed a slight pain in the urethra in the knob area of my penis, like when you get soap up there. I thought it may have just been a sort of traumatic injury and decided to see how it developed. Things were reasonably okay for about 4 days then became rapidly much more severe when the burning sensation when peeeing manifested itself. So I sought treatment after that.

But I know what you mean about the rough sex. In fact I find some handjobs to be a bit too severe on the skin of the penis that I don't think they are worth having sometimes. Thanks for your input.

Robert Long

03-25-19, 07:44

Yes, I had a BBBJ followed by sex with condom with a girl who I had seen many times before without any issues.

Then I think the next day I noticed a slight pain in the urethra in the knob area of my penis, like when you get soap up there. I thought it may have just been a sort of traumatic injury and decided to see how it developed. Things were reasonably okay for about 4 days then became rapidly much more severe when the burning sensation when peeeing manifested itself. So I sought treatment after that.

But I know what you mean about the rough sex. In fact I find some handjobs to be a bit too severe on the skin of the penis that I don't think they are worth having sometimes. Thanks for your input.I agree about some hand jobs being rough. It takes me a long time to finish and so I have given up on any hand jobs. As we age the skin gets thinner and no matter how much lube they use it can get very sore. Many ladies want to see me finish but it just will not happen every time. They get excited and want to finish me before the session is over. Sometimes I just quit and say sorry, can't finish.

RL.

Bumholes1

03-25-19, 10:05

Yes, I had a BBBJ followed by sex with condom with a girl who I had seen many times before without any issues.

Then I think the next day I noticed a slight pain in the urethra in the knob area of my penis, like when you get soap up there. I thought it may have just been a sort of traumatic injury and decided to see how it developed. Things were reasonably okay for about 4 days then became rapidly much more severe when the burning sensation when peeeing manifested itself. So I sought treatment after that.

But I know what you mean about the rough sex. In fact I find some handjobs to be a bit too severe on the skin of the penis that I don't think they are worth having sometimes. Thanks for your input.After more than 30 years in Thailand, and plenty of boom boom, I found that 1 x 400 MG Norfloxacin tablet dd the trick as regards STD's.

Franga

03-25-19, 10:34

After more than 30 years in Thailand, and plenty of boom boom, I found that 1 x 400 MG Norfloxacin tablet dd the trick as regards STD's.Okay good to know. I will see how this doxycycline treatment goes first. It would be good to have an alternative treatment though.

But I am reading on Wikipedia that Norfloxacin is not really used much anymore due to bacterial resistance. Thanks.

MongerForSex

03-25-19, 15:47

Okay good to know. I will see how this doxycycline treatment goes first. It would be good to have an alternative treatment though.

But I am reading on Wikipedia that Norfloxacin is not really used much anymore due to bacterial resistance. Thanks.Keep having BBBJ, next time directly wash your penis for few minutes without using soap after sex and drink a lot of water. Bacteria can't live outside the body so long.

Wikipedia is not accurate but don't use Norfloxacin tablet without knowing the real problem. You already used many different antibiotics. Go and see a good venereologist. I am sure you can find one. Be careful of unecessary antibiotics because std can be resistant. Drug resistance only happens when you take unecessary antibiotics or your treatment is not well prescribed.

Franga

03-26-19, 03:44

Keep having BBBJ, next time directly wash your penis for few minutes without using soap after sex and drink a lot of water. Bacteria can't live outside the body so long.

Wikipedia is not accurate but don't use Norfloxacin tablet without knowing the real problem. You already used many different antibiotics. Go and see a good venereologist. I am sure you can find one. Be careful of unecessary antibiotics because std can be resistant. Drug resistance only happens when you take unecessary antibiotics or your treatment is not well prescribed.Thank you so much for your advice. Yes, I am still suffering a lot at the moment and I don't detect any improvement. However I have only taken 3 of my doxycycline pills so far. I will take your advice and try and find a venereologist today. I will head to the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital where I believe they have a Urology Department. But I am sure that I will never have BBBJ ever again.

Franga

03-26-19, 14:20

PedroMorales

03-26-19, 14:46

Today Dr Pornchai Chayaboon Panyasuppakun picked up an easy 7550 baht ($240 usd)! That is an outrageous cost. Chlamydia, which you had is very common, especially in Pattaya where they play Pass the STI. However, it is possible to pick up more than one STI at a time and you have have had a blood test to look for the more serious culprits. His failure to give a blood test and the outrageous amount he charged you is a big vote against Clap Central aka Pattaya. Very very unsatisfactory.

MongerForSex

03-26-19, 17:31

Today I went to the Urology Department at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital on Sukhumvit Road in North Pattaya. Very nice there, all clean and spick and span. I had been warned of the high prices there so filled my wallet full of thousand baht notes prior.

Got a consultation and examination from one of the specialists there, Dr Pornchai Chayaboon Panyasuppakun. He prodded me a bit in the lower abdomen and took a look at my minor discharge. It was great to be able to talk to someone knowlegeable about my condition.

He concluded that I definitely didn't have gonorrhea, which was music to my ears as I was concerned about picking up a drug resistent strain that I could never get rid of.

He said that gonorrhea develops very rapidly after exposure like within a day and you have a pus like discharge. I never had any discharge until day 5 and it was only watery. Also he said that gonorrhea is very easy to detect in a test (and my test at the Pattaya City Hospital didn't pick it up).

He also said it wasn't Chlamydia as I had had the azithromycin pills 5 days earlier so that would have cleared that up by now.

I asked him if I could pick up bacteria from food particles present in a woman's mouth, while getting a BBBJ, and he said no.

He recommended a uriine test to see what type of bacteria was causing my urethral infection. But get this: it takes one week to get the result! (At the Pattaya City Hospital my uriine test only took one hour).

And the cost of the uriine test was 7550 baht ($240 usd)! They do tell you the price before you do the test though and ask if you want to proceed.

The consultation plus nursing fees and uriine cup amounted to 1000 baht ($32 usd).

Anyway, I would say that the Urology Section at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital is probably your best bet for any STD type infections. Bring a full wallet though.Next time for any std related to your penis, penile infection or skin condition in your penis. Go see an urulogist or dermatologist / venereologist. Never take antibiotics prescribed by nurses or general practicioners, general practicioners don't know how to deal with infectious diseases. If she was a good doctor and not sure about your condition, she would have to refer you to a specialist (urologist or venereologist) instead of giving you unecessary antibiotics.

Finally it was not caused by std, antibiotics you took affected the test and caused some trouble. Your health has no price.

I am dermatologist / venereologist and knew many things may cause your problem but just because you are in Thailand, the first thing the unskilled general practicioners and nurses think is STD.

Keep enjoying BBBJ and clean your genital after every intecourse and stay away from google and wikipedia.

Franga

03-26-19, 18:01

Next time for any std related to your penis, penile infection or skin condition in your penis. Go see an urulogist or dermatologist / venereologist. Never take antibiotics prescribed by nurses or general practicioners, general practicioners don't know how to deal with infectious diseases.Yes you are right. The first clinic I walked into automatically assumed Gonorrhea or Chlamydia so I ended up taking a shot in the ass plus pills which were not needed. I also assumed that must be the case too from what I had read about the symptoms online.

Then the second doctor at the Pattaya City Hospital thought that I probably did have gonorrhea even though they couldn't detect it in the test they did. They even had an injection solution ready to jab me in the ass again when I insisted on talking it over with the doctor first. So I only ended up with Doxycycline pills instead.

Finally the urologist specialist at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital determined that I definitely do not have gonnorhea, but some other bacterial infection.

So, a lot of misdiagnoses. Partly my fault for not going to a specialist first. Really thank you for your input MongerFor Sex.

MySecretLife

03-26-19, 19:18

Today I went to the Urology Department at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital on Sukhumvit Road in North Pattaya.
Got a consultation and examination from one of the specialists there, Dr Pornchai Chayaboon Panyasuppakun. He prodded me a bit in the lower abdomen and took a look at my minor discharge. It was great to be able to talk to someone knowlegeable about my condition.

He recommended a uriine test to see what type of bacteria was causing my urethral infection. But get this: it takes one week to get the result! (At the Pattaya City Hospital my uriine test only took one hour).

And the cost of the uriine test was 7550 baht ($240 usd)! They do tell you the price before you do the test though and ask if you want to proceed.

The consultation plus nursing fees and uriine cup amounted to 1000 baht ($32 usd).
Franga,

Glad to know that you've finally consulted a Urologist. Based on above quoted report, I presume Doctor might have ordered a "Uriine Culture & Sensitivity" test to identify the correct bacterium culture growth. But cost of the test sounds astronomical to me personally (nothing is precious than health). In India, a "Uriine Culture& Sensitivity" test doesn't cost more than INR 1500 ( 22 USD). I am unsure if your Doctor has prescribed the same test. Based on the sensitivity and culture growth, Doctor might prescribe accurate Antibiotic dosage. I was mentioning about similar "Uriine Culture & Sensitivity" test in my other earlier post for UTI. However, I am unsure if your doctor has prescribed the culture & sensitivity test or a different test.

I agree with MongerForSex sir about drinking lot of water.

Wish you speedy recovery!!

Keep having BBBJ, next time directly wash your penis for few minutes without using soap after sex and drink a lot of water. Bacteria can't live outside the body so long.

Keep enjoying BBBJ and clean your genital after every intecourse and stay away from google and wikipedia.MongerForSex,

Sir, Really glad to know that we've a Venereologist in ISG forum.

At the risk of sounding to be naive, I'm posting this request, but I feel it is good to get it answered from a Venereologist.

Could you please care to elaborate about the above quoted excerpt from your earlier post where you advised to wash penis with out soap after the deed.

To be very frank and honest, there are lot of myths (to me personally at-least) associated to how to safely take-off the condom(to prevent any infection) and male genitalia cleaning after the deed. There are lot of PH balanced antibacterial washes, wet-wipes and shower-gels in the market. After the deed, is it safe and sufficient to clean genitals in running water with out any soap?

Thank you,

MSL.

PedroMorales

03-26-19, 20:17

MongerForSex,

Sir, Really glad to know that we've a Venereologist in ISG forum.

At the risk of sounding to be naive, I'm posting this request, but I feel it is good to get it answered from a Venereologist.

Could you please care to elaborate about the above quoted excerpt from your earlier post where you advised to wash penis with out soap after the deed.

To be very frank and honest, there are lot of myths (to me personally at-least) associated to how to safely take-off the condom(to prevent any infection) and male genitalia cleaning after the deed. There are lot of PH balanced antibacterial washes, wet-wipes and shower-gels in the market. After the deed, is it safe and sufficient to clean genitals in running water with out any soap?

Thank you,

MSL.We are all using the web here. Most of the point and shoot information was developed to deal with GIs, marines and sailors who will shoot their loads regardless. If the guy was bonking hookers in Pattaya, it is odds on a sexual related disease he has, not some exotic virus. When you put your penis into hookers, you are playing Hooker Roulette and the advice, such as it is, can be dangerous if you forget you are in the Las Vegas of STIs. Sure, various STIs hate fresh air, water, soap and what not but don't think they will all lie over meekly to the free information you get on the Internet.

Rocky V

03-26-19, 23:33

But I am sure that I will never have BBBJ ever again.Yes, that would be the safest way to enjoy sex as the girl may have STDs in her throat, which may pass onto your penis during BBBJ. There is a antibiotic-resistant strain of gonorrhea in the SE Asia, which is spreading fast and, although you don't probably have that, it is better to avoid BBBJ at least in that part of the world.

I myself caught gonorrhea twice from BBBJ in Germany, but it was successfully treated with antibiotics.

Stay safe!

Rock.

MongerForSex

03-27-19, 02:44

Sir, Really glad to know that we've a Venereologist in ISG forum.

At the risk of sounding to be naive, I'm posting this request, but I feel it is good to get it answered from a Venereologist.

Could you please care to elaborate about the above quoted excerpt from your earlier post where you advised to wash penis with out soap after the deed.

To be very frank and honest, there are lot of myths (to me personally at-least) associated to how to safely take-off the condom(to prevent any infection) and male genitalia cleaning after the deed. There are lot of PH balanced antibacterial washes, wet-wipes and shower-gels in the market. After the deed, is it safe and sufficient to clean genitals in running water with out any soap?

Thank you,

MSL.Washing your genital with soap is not advised like shaving your genital with removal hair cream. It's too chemical and penile skin is too sensitive and fragile. After every intercource (vaginal or anal sex) just remove your condom gently and throw it away. you can wash your hands with soap, (soap is ok for hand skin because it's more solid and thicker) and shower your penis with water.

Soap can cause inflamation, abrasion (minor cuts) or alergy. Cuts and mucous membrane increases the risk of sti. Sti is not std for example you can have STI and never develop STD.

You can be sexually active and have sex without condom for decades and never have symptomatic STD. For example, 90% of people have HSV but most of them have never developped blisters in their life, that's why HSV is not required for serology tests. We only treat HSV when it's symptomatic.

WHY condoms are important? To protect you from some common bacterial STI (Chlamydia, Gonorrhea) , other less common bacterial STIs that are always symptomatic, very contagious and causes ulcers (syphilis, chancroid, granuloma inguinale) and parasite STIs and also prevent child birth.

HIV is rare in drug free straight people and not easily transmitted from a woman to a man. Most people overestimate HIV and underestimate other STDs. You can't catch hiv from BBBJ, DFK, DATY and broken condom because saliva blocks hiv even if there are minor cuts and small quantity of blood, it's not enough to contaminate from mouth because of the saliva if not everybody is contaminated today because most of people have gum disease. HIV is a very weak virus that's not easily transmitted unlike other STIs.

STIs are not well understood and studied, There are many factors. Medicine is complicated and STIs are more based on fear, guilt and shame than other more agressive and deadly diseases. Just tell yourself. Are you more scared of STI or the stigma?

MySecretLife

03-27-19, 04:13

Washing your genital with soap is not advised like shaving your genital with removal hair cream. It's too chemical and penile skin is too sensitive and fragile. After every intercource (vaginal or anal sex) just remove your condom gently and throw it away. you can wash your hands with soap, (soap is ok for hand skin because it's more solid and thicker) and shower your penis with water.

Soap can cause inflamation, abrasion (minor cuts) or alergy. Cuts and mucous membrane increases the risk of sti. Sti is not std for example you can have STI and never develop STD.

Are you more scared of STI or the stigma?MongerForSex sir,

Thank you for your detailed response.

I'm from India, in India there is still public stigma associated (not a broad generalization) with consultation, testing and treatment of STDs. So, to be honest, stigma.

Regards,

MSL.

Franga

03-27-19, 09:15

To MySecretLife,

No, I don't know what type of uriine test that the doctor has asked for. He said it was to identify the bacteria. Yes, it is a huge cost ($240 usd), but I think that is the modus operandi of this hospital. Consultations are moderately priced, but when you want them to do anything then the prices are astronomical.

Anyway, I don't have a choice, but I am not happy about having to wait one week to get the test result. At the moment I am 3 days into taking the doxycycline pills, but have not detected any change in symptoms. The doctor did say it would take 4 days though.

Thanks for your posts.

Geneva Guy

03-27-19, 11:01

To Add to Monger's comments:

-Norfloxacin is not good to treat any (all) STIs. Gonorrhea is now resistant to quinolone antibiotics (norfloxacin, ciprofloxacin, levofloxacin, etc). Treatment is 250 MG of ceftriaxone intramuscularly (in the butt) and even some gonorrhea is resistant to this drug.

-Chlamydia is not quite a bacteria but it is killed by antibiotics. Unfortunately, in Asia, there is some resistance. Doxycycline for 7 days (taken on an EMPTY stomach) or azithromycin 1 gram by mouth as a single dose is still recommended, but response can be slow.

-Syphillis is still treatable with long acting penicillin as an injection (in the butt).

Now, for these guys that say they go to the doctor and get "tested" regularly (blood tests), let's get some things clear. The things that you can test for with a blood test is HIV, hepatitisB (if you have never been vaccinated, do so promptly, Vietnam and China has a lot of hepatitisB still), hepatitisC, syphillis and hepatitis A (transmitted by fecal contamination of food, you can get hepatitis A vaccine also). Blood testing for HSV (herpes) is useless (there are 2 types of HSV type 1 in the mouth and type 2 on the genitals / ass, testing for HPV can be done, but there are so many types of HPV that one cannot test for all of them (an no one does). You cannot test the blood for chlamydia or haemophilus decrey (chancroid). So these blood tests that show you are clean do not test for all STIs including gonorrhea.

The ONLY STI vaccines are hepatitisB and Hepatitis A. HPV vaccine is used in women / men ages up to 45 never exposed to HPV, and about 35-50% of the population already has been exposed to HPV so the vaccine is not given in those cases.

So don't be lulled into a sense of comfort, these blood tests are limited and if you are told otherwise, you are wasting your $.

For the OP that is taking doxycycline for dick pain / burning. Well, if you have chlamydia, take the drug on an empty stomach, did you get cultured for gonorrhea and get a shot of ceftriaxone in the butt also?

Also, don't use Wikipedia as a source for medical information. If you want a real source, use Medscape (free to register and use) or go to the WHO website and use their resources, sheesh!

GG.

Franga

03-27-19, 12:42

For the OP that is taking doxycycline for dick pain / burning. Well, if you have chlamydia, take the drug on an empty stomach, did you get cultured for gonorrhea and get a shot of ceftriaxone in the butt also?
Yes, I did get tested for gonorrhea (not found), and I did get the ceftriaxone in the butt also. But my urologist yesterday said that it is definitely not gonorrhea. He also added that gonorrhea is easily curable.

I don't have Chlamydia as I took the 1 g of azithromycin at the same time as the butt injection.

I am only taking doxycycline pills as it was previously prescribed by another doctor after my butt injection appeared not to work.

The urologist is still waiting for the result of my uriine test (one week wait). I think he won't prescribe anything until he knows which bacterial strain I have. These doxycycline pills don't appear to be having any effect as there is no change in symptoms after 3 days of usage.

Thanks for your interesting post.

MongerForSex

03-27-19, 13:12

There are over 50 strains of hpv that are sexually transmitted, vaccine lowers the risk of hpv16 and hpv18 that may cause cervical cancer and penile cancer and hpv 6 and hpv11 that often cause warts. But it only lowers the risk and doesn't protect you against every strain of hpv. HPV vaccine is recommended for teens that have never been exposed to HPV. Most people with good immune system can keep hpv from causing warts or leading to cancer, hpv goes away within one year.

Hepb vaccine lowers the risk of Hep B, it's rarely transmitted by sexual contact but more ofter by blood contact. Hep B may lead to liver disease or cancer. Good immune system can clear accute heptitis before it developes into chronic hepatitis.

Syphilis is 100% curable when treated early (primary, secondary and early latent syphilis). There is no resistant strain. Syphilis is often not noticeable in gay men and women when the painless ulcer is in their vagina or anus and secondary syphilis can mimic many other medical diseases but syphilis is very symptomatic. Syphilis is only contagious when chancres or secondary syphilis rash are present. Latent and tertiary syphilis are not contagious. Most untreated people with syphilis don't develop tertiary syphilis. Late latent syphilis cause negative results in RPR and VDRL tests, that's why if you notice a painless ulcer or rash all over your body, you must see a dermatology / venereology that's specialist in skin conditions and infectious diseases. Because the diagnose is 100 per cent accurate when performed in primary and secondary syphilis and 100% curable. Untreated syphilis may naturally resolve, may be latent for life or may progress to tertiary syphilis.

Syphilis is curable with only a single intramuscular injection of long acting penicillin that will cure a person with primary, secondary and early latent syphilis. Doxycycline is another option to cure primary, secondary and early latent syphilis. This option is offered to people that are allergic to pencillin, you have to take it orally twice a day for 14 days. If you don't want to play the russian roulette, go and see a venereologist and get cured, stay away from general practicioners, nurses or sexual centers that test blood that are often performed by people that are not specialist in infectious diseases because false negative and false positive often happens without knowing the real symptoms and the cause of the disease that may alter many antibody tests.

Gonorrhea and chlamydia are easily cured if well treated by someone who is used to this condition (venereologist or urologist).

The strains are resistant today not because the strains become smarter but because many people take unecessary antibiotics or medication is not well prescibed by unskilled medical professionals.

Stay away from Google, Youtube, wikipedia or WHO website or online appointments, go see a good specialist in person. A specialist will laugh if you say you are scared of and caught std because he knows it's not as dangerous as people think and it's 100 per cent curable and know most people coming to their office, thinking they have std because they have warts, discharge or some pimples. Penile skin condition or discharge that are often caused by other things that have nothing to do with std.

MySecretLife

03-27-19, 18:57

Stay away from Google, Youtube, wikipedia or WHO website or online appointments, go see a good specialist in person.
Thank you for the brilliant post.

Regards,

MSL.

MongerForSex

03-29-19, 22:04

The urologist is still waiting for the result of my uriine test (one week wait). I think he won't prescribe anything until he knows which bacterial strain I have. These doxycycline pills don't appear to be having any effect as there is no change in symptoms after 3 days of usage.

Any update? Your symptoms are getting better? Please stop taking doxycycline pills (if you don't see any improvement) until you get your result. Because not every urinary tract infection is cured by doxycycline. Tell me what kind of bacteria you picked when you get your result.

Franga

03-30-19, 10:12

Any update? Your symptoms are getting better?Yes, there appears to be an improvement in my symptoms. About 3 days after starting the doxycycline pills I noticed a reduction in the pain upon urination. From what I what I would call 95% bad to 70% bad. But it is still painful even 6 days after starting the pills.

I have now taken 12 of the 14 doxycycline pills, so I will continue them till finished. I am starting to feel generally okay, but two days after starting the pills my eyes became reddish and have remained that way. This might be a side effect of the pills.

There has also been a reduction in the clear ooze coming out of my urethral opening, which I think is just my body's reaction to fight the bacterial infection. It's still there in minor amounts all the time, but not as much as prior to starting the pills.

My test result will be available on 2 April, when I go back to the urologist at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital. I will post the result here.

I would be interested in any further comments you have and in your experience in dealing with UTI's how long it would it take to recover and be pain free. Thanks.

PedroMorales

03-30-19, 10:21

. I am starting to feel generally okay, but two days after starting the pills my eyes became reddish and have remained that way. You'd get conjunctivitis by rubbing your eyes with your hands that had been at your genitals. That is quite common. STI link here https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/eyes/conjunctivitis#causes-of-conjunctivitis.

I'd be quite concerned your treatment did not blast it. I'd even consider a run into Bumrumgrad Hospital. Although Pattaya is a magnet for STIs, it should be in their interest to control it, not to turn it into a cash cow. I would go all out to smash this infection if I were you.

Goatscrot

03-30-19, 10:36

Yes, there appears to be an improvement in my symptoms. About 3 days after starting the doxycycline pills I noticed a reduction in the pain upon urination. From what I what I would call 95% bad to 70% bad. But it is still painful even 6 days after starting the pills.

I have now taken 12 of the 14 doxycycline pills, so I will continue them till finished. I am starting to feel generally okay, but two days after starting the pills my eyes became reddish and have remained that way. This might be a side effect of the pills.

There has also been a reduction in the clear ooze coming out of my urethral opening, which I think is just my body's reaction to fight the bacterial infection. It's still there in minor amounts all the time, but not as much as prior to starting the pills.

My test result will be available on 2 April, when I go back to the urologist at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital. I will post the result here.

I would be interested in any further comments you have and in your experience in dealing with UTI's how long it would it take to recover and be pain free. Thanks.There is the possibility of a multi-drug resistant infection, but you'll know which anti-bios the bacteria can be killed with when you get the results of the culture. Also bacteria can infect your prostate as well, which can take quite a long time to clear, and need antibiotics for a long time as well. My first STI was in the US when I was 24. The bacteria got into my prostate and I was on antibiotics for months to clear it. Actually turned me from a shooter into a dribbler. Never been quite the same since.

MySecretLife

03-30-19, 10:57

I would be interested in any further comments you have and in your experience in dealing with UTI's how long it would it take to recover and be pain free. Thanks.

Hi Franga,

In India, UTI culture test report usually doesn't take more than 5 days after providing the sample in a sterile container. Even before I have started pursuing this hobby, I've suffered from recurring UTI few years back due to drug resistant bacteria. I was treated with "Magnix Forte" IV injections twice a day, for 5 days. I was admitted into hospital for 5 days.

Since Doc found that my UTI infection gone up-to prostate, During discharge, I was prescribed with "Alfuzosin 10 mg" and "Levofloxacin 250 mg" tablets for 3 months 1 hour before going to bed. After discharge and once I resumed daily routine, I didn't even masturbate for 3 months in the fear of any recurring UTI.

To answer your question, once UTI culture test identifies the antibiotic resistant and sensitive information and the grown bacterium, Doctor prescribes a Oral or IV antibiotic course ranging from 3-7 days. After completing the Antibiotic medication course, you should be doing fine.

Though I didn't find any logic or scientific evidence, after research from Internet, I have started including "Cranberries"(not juice) in my diet since then in small quantities, it is helpful so-far. Also, I've started drinking adequate quantities of water to hydrate my body and flush out any bacteria.

Addendum:

i.) After completing my 3 months antibiotic course, I was diagnosed with a Mild Anemic Condition due to low hemoglobin, for which I took supplements. You might also want to check your general blood parameters after completing the treatment.

ii.) Since most of the times drug resistant bacteria has an effect on Prostate also, you might want to bring up this point with your doctor during your consultation on 2nd April 2019.

iii.) Please note that I'm not a medical professional, in the spirit of "An Old Patient Is Better Than A New Doctor" and with an intent to help, I'm writing this note, so please consume my report with a pinch of salt.

Regards,

MSL.

MongerForSex

03-30-19, 11:52

Yes, there appears to be an improvement in my symptoms. About 3 days after starting the doxycycline pills I noticed a reduction in the pain upon urination. From what I what I would call 95% bad to 70% bad. But it is still painful even 6 days after starting the pills.

I have now taken 12 of the 14 doxycycline pills, so I will continue them till finished. I am starting to feel generally okay, but two days after starting the pills my eyes became reddish and have remained that way. This might be a side effect of the pills.

There has also been a reduction in the clear ooze coming out of my urethral opening, which I think is just my body's reaction to fight the bacterial infection. It's still there in minor amounts all the time, but not as much as prior to starting the pills.

My test result will be available on 2 April, when I go back to the urologist at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital. I will post the result here.

I would be interested in any further comments you have and in your experience in dealing with UTI's how long it would it take to recover and be pain free. Thanks.What I learnt from experience is everybody is different. In the meantime, stay hydrated (drink a lot of water and practise good hygiene until you get your result) What I don't understand is why you keep taking antibiotics prescribed by the previous doctor. I think your antibiotics don't improve anything. It's better for you to wait for the result and have the right antibiotics. What you are doing now is dangerious because you are taking medication without knowing what you really have. We know it's UTI but we don't know what kind of bacteria, how progressive it is. In Brazil, the test lasts 2-3 working days. Do you have the number of your doctor? It's also possible for him to have the result ASAP when he calls the lab. When you have sides effects especially the one affecting your eyes, it's important to let your doctor know ASAP. But you can't let him know because he is not the doctor that prescribed the medication. UTI also improve overtime without antibiotics so your antibiotics have nothing to do maybe.

Franga

03-30-19, 15:23

What I don't understand is why you keep taking antibiotics prescribed by the previous doctor. I think your antibiotics don't improve anything.

UTI also improve overtime without antibiotics so your antibiotics have nothing to do maybe.Yes, the antibiotics prescribed by the previous doctor were supposedly for a gonoccocal infection. Which the urologist said I definitely did not have. So it is strange that the urologist actually agreed for me to continue using the doxycyline.

I would probably agree with you that the doxycycline are not really improving anything. I would have expected a much more rapid response to curing the infection than I am getting, given that it is currently 6 days since I started taking the antibiotics.

I may see about re-visiting the hospital tomorrow, 31st March, especially now that I have these red eyes, which makes me look like I have a virus. The fact that the hospital makes me wait one week to get the uriine test result is just ridiculous. Like you say it should only be 2 to 3 days like in Brazil.

Thanks for your advice.

Franga

03-30-19, 15:32

To MySecretLife,

Many thanks for all that information in your post. It certainly sounds like you had a very difficult time getting rid of that infection. At least it appears that there are some drugs available to help cure my infection. I have also started drinking some sort of Cranberry juice mix as well. Really appreciate it. Franga.

Franga

03-30-19, 15:41

Also bacteria can infect your prostate as well, which can take quite a long time to clear, and need antibiotics for a long time as well.Goatscrot, Thanks for this info. Certainly a spreading of the infection from the urethra to the prostate is a scary thought. I did ask the urologist about the likelihood of the infection spreading and he appeared to indicate that it was minimal I think.

Sunny70

03-31-19, 04:23

Not sure, if my 1st report got uploaded or not, hence doing it again.

MongerforSex,

Info shared by you is excellent. I would like to share here my own experience for the benefit of all the members. I am 49 years old and an Indian. In the last week of September 2017, I had some red spots on Penis, went to my skin specialist and he diagnosed HSV. After 2 days, it became worse and I was writhing in pain, even foreskin withdrawal used to scare the shit out of me. Gave me a course of antibiotics. After a month, I got relief from it but my spots on head and foreskin were not going away although I was not in pain. I went in for 2nd opinion to some Head of the deptt. Of hospital of Skin and VD. He started treating me for Candida and I was put on Sporonox- anti fungal tablets- 2 tabs a day for 1 month. My spots on head and foreskin didn't go. I was advised to go in for a biopsy. The sample was taken from the foreskin, and the result was not conclusive of anything and I was made to go merry go around to a lot of docs and various hospitals. Some docs mis-read the biopsy and even diagnosed it to be the dreaded word see. Me and my family were completely broken up and shaken. Cannot even describe the number of tours to hospitals and the top specialists that I consulted but the best ones were pretty sure that I need to wait and not rush even if it is see. Some had even recommended Circumcision but the best ones said they are not convinced. Went in for a 2nd Biopsy and the sample was taken from the head. They diagnosed it as HPV and told me that it was Warts which had to treated with application of Imiquimod cream. Started the course which lasted around 6 weeks and anyone who has gone through it must be knowing that it is literally a torture for the patient with pain, burning, blood oozing out from the area and what not. Finally, my warts began to diminish and one fine day they were gone. I was under the watchful eyes of my docs and getting myself checked up every fortnight. After the application of Imiquimod cream, I have scars on my penis head like we have after any injury that heals but those cuts and scars remain for the rest of yr life. They put me on some medicines to improve my immunity system. Let me also inform here that relations with my wife have soured after this episode and we are mere housemates with both of us sleeping in different rooms. I also wish to inform that I was a patient of Prostitis too and was administered 14 injections of Ertapenem thru IV. But that's a different story altogether.

Now, after getting a clearance from my docs that I could restart my sexual activity, I was mentally not in the right frame of mind and was fearful of it. I had undergone a lot of pain- physically and mentally, relations with my wife are no more, business had suffered as was not taking interest in it. Was relying on masturbation to relieve myself. But, a monger is always a monger. Had my 1st encounter in Ending of Dec. , 18 and was extra cautious in choosing the lady too. Started with the pricey ones with special relevance to hygiene and that they were charging more and hence less customers. But that's all bull shit. I am again diagnosed with fungal infection. Just finished a 21 day course of Sporonox. Anti fungals- twice a day on 25th of March and am all clear. Although, my doc has cleared me but he still wants me to abstain from any activity for a month. Dunno and I argued with him. But his POV is that he wants to ensure that the scars are not something else. I told him that they were there earlier too but still, he told me that its my wish but Pl wait.

I was a very active monger before Sept, 17 in India and abroad but this last 1.5 year has completely put me on the back foot and confused and shaken up.

Sorry for the long post guys but for the benefit of everyone, had to share my experience.

Cheers.

There are over 50 strains of hpv that are sexually transmitted, vaccine lowers the risk of hpv16 and hpv18 that may cause cervical cancer and penile cancer and hpv 6 and hpv11 that often cause warts. But it only lowers the risk and doesn't protect you against every strain of hpv. HPV vaccine is recommended for teens that have never been exposed to HPV. Most people with good immune system can keep hpv from causing warts or leading to cancer, hpv goes away within one year.

Hepb vaccine lowers the risk of Hep B, it's rarely transmitted by sexual contact but more ofter by blood contact. Hep B may lead to liver disease or cancer. Good immune system can clear accute heptitis before it developes into chronic hepatitis..

Franga

03-31-19, 12:45

Today Sunday, I revisited the Bangkok Hospital Pattaya to address my UTI. My original doctor was not available as he does not work Sunday or Monday. Now I know why my Uriine test result was going to take 7 days and that is because the doctor was not scheduled on day 5 or 6. Crazy.

Anyway, they actually had my test result (it was now day 5 since the test) and everything was negative. They only tested for the sexually transmitted bacterias though, and not any non-sexually transmitted bacterias.

This is what they tested for:

Trichomonas vaginalis.

Mycoplasma hominis.

Mycoplasma genitalium.

Chlamydia trachomatis.

Neisseria gonorrhoeae.

Ureaplasma urealyticum.

Ureaplasma parvum.

All "not detected".

So, either I never had any of the sexually transmitted bacterias, or I was too late in having the uriine test having done the test 2 days after starting the doxycycline antibiotics and 5 days after having a Ceftriaxone injection plus azithromycin pills.

This new doctor said that the doxycycline pills were working as I had a lessening of the symptoms (passing fluid is now only a small sting instead of a very severe burning sensation).

He did not know why my eyes were red (they had been reddish continually for 5 days), and suggested I see an eye doctor about this!

He did not prescribe any further treatment except to maybe take some Ibuprofen pills for the next 3 days or so.

When I asked him how long it would take for the UTI to go away he said 2 to 3 weeks. As I have just finished one week since starting the doxycycline pills this makes sense. I had a very severe urethral infection and it takes time for this to heal.

So, I will monitor the progress. Hopefully there will be no complications.

I suppose my takeaway from all this is that I am going to protect my urethral opening much more rigorously. No more BBBJ, or other sharing of fluids like kissing. Until you experience a week of burning pain in your penis, you will swear away from all unsafe sex practises. It has been the worse week of my life so far with some very dark days.

Thanks to all board members for your very useful suggestions.

MongerForSex

03-31-19, 13:20

To Franga

You have to understand many people with UTI never experienced BBBJ. Your problem did not come from STD but come from another bacterial infection. You have bad experience because you visited unexperienced general practicioners and checked out google. (The big mistakes that most people do when they see something not normal concerning their male organs).

Next time, go see a specialist first, you don't have to see an eye specialist, it's a side effect caused by the antibiotics you took, that may also be the side affect caused by injection you took. My advise is to wait for the urologist you saw. The symptoms dissapear very fast when you use the right antibiotics. The antibiotics has nothing to do with your well being because UTI can also clear without antibiotics after few weeks. Antibiotics are used for emergency when you suffer so that the symptoms dissapear very fast, even when the symptoms dissapear very fast, you have keep using antibiotics to sure all bacterias are killed but if the symptoms don't dissapear very fast, that means your antibiotics are not effective.

Antibiotics are the cause of your red eyes and the problem will go away. Your problem is not serious. Please do like I said, drink a lot water and even if it burns. It helps clear bacterias that way until you see your urologist.

I had patients diagnosed with syphilis, gonorrhea and other medical conditions who got red eyes, rash etc after recieving injection in their buttock. Doxycycline also causs soreness and redness in your eyes.

I am sure you did not have gonorrhea because it cures very easily. your previous doctor was not able to detect gonorrhea but what I know you had a bacterial disease that was not easy to detect because of the unecessary antibiotics you took from unexperienced medical professionals.

Keep enjoying

MongerForSex

03-31-19, 19:45

Sunny70

04-01-19, 02:28

To Sunny.

Bad specialists also exist. It's possible to remove the scar but it's very expensive, you can also try some natural treatments. There are many bad specialists in India, many doctors are not well educated. In Brazil, public hospitals suck, it's better to see a doctor in a private center, it's more expensive but it's more effective..MongerforSex- Thanks Sir for yr reply. Mine was just a case of the 1st Biopsy not showing anything conclusive and bad luck. I had consulted the best of doctors; top of the notch in their respective fields. Dermatologists and Cancer specialists (they came very late in the pic). Both of these guys were sure of the opinion that the spots were not the dreaded see after carefully examining it physically but the problem was the 1st Biopsy as it also clearly did not define as to what it was. It was left to the specialists to decipher the report. I did not consult any quacks or uneducated doctors but went to the best of private hospitals and all head of departments. I can very well afford the treatment and have links and access to them. It was another HOD of Dermatology of a hospital who suggested that I get my 2nd biopsy done to rule out HPV. It took me a month to find out the best lab and the best doc to do it. I got it one and it was diagnosed as HPV causing warts. To be on the safe side, I was in consultation with 2 best Dermatologists and both of them were on the same page to start with Imiquimod.

Could you pl suggest the natural treatments for removal of scars on the head? Also, I do wish to continue to enjoy my life and not be cowed down by my past experience. To be on the safe side, I have become very cautious as to whom I meet, very particular with hygiene and usage of plenty of water to clean myself after the removal of condom. I also understand that in spite of all precautions, mongering is still risky but I am doing my best at my end at my end. I have cut down on my meetings to very few encounters a month, not at all going to ones who satisfy multiple guys in a day, look out for young girls who just started (seeking arrangements) or housewives who are very very discreet. I hope you understand what I wish to convey. I am very very scared and confused as to how should I go about my sexual life as cannot simply masturbate to satisfy myself till I am alive. I am 49 years old and was very very ambitious and aggressive with respect to my life, business and am very keen to move forward the regain my mojo.

Looking forward to hear from you. Pl oblige.

From a confused, scared and clueless monger.

Regards.

MongerForSex

04-01-19, 18:22

MongerforSex- Thanks Sir for yr reply. Mine was just a case of the 1st Biopsy not showing anything conclusive and bad luck. I had consulted the best of doctors; top of the notch in their respective fields. Dermatologists and Cancer specialists (they came very late in the pic). Both of these guys were sure of the opinion that the spots were not the dreaded see after carefully examining it physically but the problem was the 1st Biopsy as it also clearly did not define as to what it was. It was left to the specialists to decipher the report. I did not consult any quacks or uneducated doctors but went to the best of private hospitals and all head of departments. I can very well afford the treatment and have links and access to them. It was another HOD of Dermatology of a hospital who suggested that I get my 2nd biopsy done to rule out HPV. It took me a month to find out the best lab and the best doc to do it. I got it one and it was diagnosed as HPV causing warts. To be on the safe side, I was in consultation with 2 best Dermatologists and both of them were on the same page to start with Imiquimod.

Could you pl suggest the natural treatments for removal of scars on the head? Also, I do wish to continue to enjoy my life and not be cowed down by my past experience. To be on the safe side, I have become very cautious as to whom I meet, very particular with hygiene and usage of plenty of water to clean myself after the removal of condom. I also understand that in spite of all precautions, mongering is still risky but I am doing my best at my end at my end. I have cut down on my meetings to very few encounters a month, not at all going to ones who satisfy multiple guys in a day, look out for young girls who just started (seeking arrangements) or housewives who are very very discreet. I hope you understand what I wish to convey. I am very very scared and confused as to how should I go about my sexual life as cannot simply masturbate to satisfy myself till I am alive. I am 49 years old and was very very ambitious and aggressive with respect to my life, business and am very keen to move forward the regain my mojo.

Looking forward to hear from you. Pl oblige.

From a confused, scared and clueless monger.

Regards.1. Your dermatologists were idiots, they mistook HPV for HSV, a good dermatologist can't be mistaken about that.

2. The first biopsy was not well done, because the stupid dermatologist didn't add your disease to the list of the diseases to be tested. When your sample is sent to the lab, your sample can't be tested for every disease, the laboratory needs the diagnosis of the dermatologist to confirm the diagnosis, to say how serious the disease is, we can say if the disease is benign or malign without knowing the disease. That's why the diagnosis of the dermatologist is important. There are thousands of skin diseases.

3. If he did not find the disease, he would ask for another sample to be tested for another disease until the diagnosis is confirmed. It's impossible to diagnose for every disease just with one sample. Your dermatologists misdiagnosed you.

You need to find a good cosmetic dermatologist to discuss available alternatives with him. I don't know how serious your scar is. You can try apple cider vinegar or coconut oil, It will lower your scar but not completely. You have to see a good cosmetic dermatologist to discuss different alteratives and he could advise you better.

Practising good hygiene is important, stay away from Google that say it's useless to wash your genitals after sex and some scientific studies states it increases the risk of sti. Bad hygiene increases the risk of std.

No disease is supermutant. But I still advise you to use condoms for vaginal and anal sex because vaginal and anal sex cause abrasion (minor cuts increase the risk of std).

MySecretLife

04-02-19, 19:37

Today Sunday, I revisited the Bangkok Hospital Pattaya to address my UTI.
Anyway, they actually had my test result (it was now day 5 since the test) and everything was negative. They only tested for the sexually transmitted bacterias though, and not any non-sexually transmitted bacterias.

This is what they tested for:

Trichomonas vaginalis.

Mycoplasma hominis.

Mycoplasma genitalium.

Chlamydia trachomatis.

Neisseria gonorrhoeae.

Ureaplasma urealyticum.

Ureaplasma parvum.

All "not detected".

He did not know why my eyes were red (they had been reddish continually for 5 days), and suggested I see an eye doctor about this!

He did not prescribe any further treatment except to maybe take some Ibuprofen pills for the next 3 days or so.

When I asked him how long it would take for the UTI to go away he said 2 to 3 weeks.Hi Franga,

Sorry for the delayed response and glad to know that your Uriine Culture report doesn't show any sexually transmitted bacteria. I hope you are feeling relatively better.

I'm unsure about the Uriine Culture test protocol followed by the hospital you've visited. IMHO, it is quite strange to see the way the Uriine Culture test was done by the hospital lab you've visited which tests only for sexually transmitted bacteria. Whether your doctor has prescribed only such specific tests or instructed them accordingly. I'm attaching a sample report snapshot from India, where lab technicians test sensitivity of the sample against various antibiotics and tries to identify the grown organism.

Wish you speedy recovery.

Regards,

MSL.

MongerForSex

04-02-19, 20:14

Hi Franga,

Sorry for the delayed response and glad to know that your Uriine Culture report doesn't show any sexually transmitted bacteria. I hope you are feeling relatively better.

I'm unsure about the Uriine Culture test protocol followed by the hospital you've visited. IMHO, it is quite strange to see the way the Uriine Culture test was done by the hospital lab you've visited which tests only for sexually transmitted bacteria. Whether your doctor has prescribed only such specific tests or instructed them accordingly. I'm attaching a sample report snapshot from India, where lab technicians test sensitivity of the sample against various antibiotics and tries to identify the grown organism.

Wish you speedy recovery.

Regards,

MSL.Thank you for sharing, he ran into stupid medical professionals. It's common people are misdiagnosed and receive the wrong medication. Conventional medicine is very good when it's used correctly but there are more and more mistakes from stupid medical professionals.

Franga

04-02-19, 20:21

To MySecretLife,

Thanks for that post. Yes, I am feeling a lot better now. Just last night was the first time that I felt no pain in my urethra while passing uriine. So that is quite amazing. It looks like those doxycycline pills worked.

So in summary, I started taking the doxycycline pills 8 days after being infected by the bacteria in my urethra. It had built up quite a head of steam at this stage. Pain during uriination was excruciating for about a week.

The treatment was for 2 doxycycline pills per day for 7 days.

After exactly 3 days of treatment, I started to notice a diminishing of the pain during urination.

After 5 days it felt like a sting rather than a burning sensation.

After 8 days the pain disappeared completely.

Also the reddishness in my eyes started to diminish, and I started to feel well again at about 7 days after starting the pills. So I feel that I am on a full recovery schedule at this stage.

I suppose I will never know what type of bacteria it was, but in the future I will be practising safe sex that's for sure. That burning during urination is one of the worst things that I have ever experienced.

Thanks for your help and MongerForSex also. It's great to have a support network here.

HorseTrader

04-02-19, 21:57

... Thanks for that post. Yes, I am feeling a lot better now. Just last night was the first time that I felt no pain in my urethra while passing uriine. So that is quite amazing. It looks like those doxycycline pills worked. ...

Glad to hear you are feeling better. In 2006 I was getting frequent BBBJ and also had 1 time when the condom came off during intercourse. I ended up with gonorrhea and chlamydia, which gave me all of the symptoms that you suffered. My treatment was much the same as yours and within about 10 days I was feeling much better. I have never again felt like that, fortunately.

In about 2008 my urination started to gradually get slower and slower. My primary care doctor diagnosed it as enlarged prostrate, which is common for my age; the medications didn't help. By 2010 my urination stream was so slow that I almost couldn't go. It was diagnosed by a urologist and I required surgery to fix the problem. He said it was likely caused by my fight with gonorrhea/chlamydia from years prior. After surgery I had to wear a catheter for 2 weeks, also not fun. After the experience the urologist told me that I should have seen him sooner when simpler procedures could have fixed my problem. Suggest over the next few years you monitor your urination stream and see a urologist as soon as it gets slow. My 2010 surgery was the worst part of my 2006 STI.

Franga

04-03-19, 04:41

Suggest over the next few years you monitor your urination stream and see a urologist as soon as it gets slow.Yes, this is my biggest concern: whether there has been any damage to the prostate gland caused by this recent UTI. The urination stream seems good at the moment, but I will monitor it over the next few years. And like you say, address the problem more promptly. Thanks for the advice.

Ed Setra

04-04-19, 10:02

MongerForSex

04-04-19, 11:42

I notice that some clued-in and conscientious professionals are taking PrEP for their own protection.

Trust and credibility aside, if a service provider is genuinely taking PrEP according to the correct schedule will it give her customers any added protection?I don't advise you to use PREP, It increases the risk of other std. Prep affect the immune response to some bacterial diseases and may damage some organs when it's used for long term (ex treponema padilum and other bacterial diseases).

You won't have trouble with AIDS but I advise you to use the condom for other STDs. There is a 10 year study in straight serodiscordant couples in 1990, it was the longest study, nobody was infected with HIV. Catching the same stds many times may damage your body and increase the risk of drug resistance.

Don't use the fucking Prep and use condoms to stay healthy. Prep is more recommended for people at risk (MSM).

AramiKumar

04-04-19, 19:57

Couple years back. I had same symptoms. After an expected BBBJ from MP girl in Bombay. Burning sensation while urination. Yellow discharge. Enlarged testis.

After [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) culture it turned out to be E-coli. Treated by Doxycycline.

Today Sunday, I revisited the Bangkok Hospital Pattaya to address my UTI. My original doctor was not available as he does not work Sunday or Monday. Now I know why my Uriine test result was going to take 7 days and that is because the doctor was not scheduled on day 5 or 6. Crazy.

Anyway, they actually had my test result (it was now day 5 since the test) and everything was negative. They only tested for the sexually transmitted bacterias though, and not any non-sexually transmitted bacterias.

This is what they tested for:

Trichomonas vaginalis.

Mycoplasma hominis.

Mycoplasma genitalium.

Chlamydia trachomatis.

Neisseria gonorrhoeae.

Ureaplasma urealyticum.

Ureaplasma parvum.

All "not detected".

So, either I never had any of the sexually transmitted bacterias, or I was too late in having the uriine test having done the test 2 days after starting the doxycycline antibiotics and 5 days after having a Ceftriaxone injection plus azithromycin pills..

Franga

04-05-19, 05:58

Couple years back. I had same symptoms. After an expected BBBJ from MP girl in Bombay. Burning sensation while urination. Yellow discharge. Enlarged testis. After culture it turned out to be E-coli. Treated by Doxycycline.Yes, I have been wondering for a while whether my UTI was caused by E Coli. It is interesting that we were both treated by doxycycline and it worked. Though I did not have enlarged testes like you experienced.

I am also going to be more careful when I go to the toilet to take a dump. To not to get any faeces near to my urethra.

I appreciate your feedback. Thanks.

Syzygies

04-05-19, 10:44

I am also going to be more careful when I go to the toilet to take a dump. To not to get any faeces near to my urethra.
Mystified! Never heard of that! Not sure how it gets near. In Thailand we wash well, not just wipe with paper.

If you have something, best to get a test in a big hurry and be sure what it is! Guesswork is known to fail even when doctors do the guessing.

Even I if wanted to start treatment straight away, I would still get the test straight away as well. Sick of being diagnosed wrong.

And putting up with a problem too long for that reason.
E. g. "cold sores" that weren't, and were actually a simple bacterial infection, easily treated.

With all your hassles with the hospital, sounds like the wrong place. Hospitals charge a lot and seem to be slow. I can get immediate tests at Red Cross in Bangkok, cheaply and fast results. If there is no good fast clinic in Pattaya could be worth a trip to BKK. ha ha.

Surely there is a clinic that can take a look under the microscope and propose the likely tests needed, or am I wrong.
I recall a test outside Thailand where STD clinic took a dick swab and looked under the microscope straight away. The doctor then commented that the types of bacteria I was concerned about were not there, but healthy sperm was detected. ha ha. Not that long since my last cum. I reckon bacterial infections must be detectable quite quickly by experts if you are in the right place for it. At the time I had an eye infection, so was concerned in case was Chlamydia that may have been in genital region as well. Turned out not to be the case. No discharge but just making sure.

MongerForSex

04-05-19, 17:32

Mystified! Never heard of that! Not sure how it gets near. In Thailand we wash well, not just wipe with paper.

If you have something, best to get a test in a big hurry and be sure what it is! Guesswork is known to fail even when doctors do the guessing.

Even I if wanted to start treatment straight away, I would still get the test straight away as well. Sick of being diagnosed wrong.

And putting up with a problem too long for that reason.
E. g. "cold sores" that weren't, and were actually a simple bacterial infection, easily treated.

With all your hassles with the hospital, sounds like the wrong place. Hospitals charge a lot and seem to be slow. I can get immediate tests at Red Cross in Bangkok, cheaply and fast results. If there is no good fast clinic in Pattaya could be worth a trip to BKK. ha ha.

Surely there is a clinic that can take a look under the microscope and propose the likely tests needed, or am I wrong.
I recall a test outside Thailand where STD clinic took a dick swab and looked under the microscope straight away. The doctor then commented that the types of bacteria I was concerned about were not there, but healthy sperm was detected. ha ha. Not that long since my last cum. I reckon bacterial infections must be detectable quite quickly by experts if you are in the right place for it. At the time I had an eye infection, so was concerned in case was Chlamydia that may have been in genital region as well. Turned out not to be the case. No discharge but just making sure.Now people think they catch STDs in the toilets, it's sad how the stigma can scare people. His eye infection was caused by the antibiotics he took. It's very common to have soreness and redness in the eyes, that's a side effect of the antibiotics. It's no use being paranoid. STD clinics are not able to detect every bacteria. As a expert, just by looking at a penis I can say the diagnosis before the lab confirms. It's better to see a medical professional that's specialist in infectioous diseases. Concerning tests, often the faster the worse.

Franga

04-05-19, 18:22

Mystified! Never heard of that! Not sure how it gets near. In Thailand we wash well, not just wipe with paper.
The reason for my extra caution is that I have been reading that most urinary tract infections are caused by bacteria present in your own body. I am not talking about sexually transmitted bacterias here but things like E. Coli for example.

So I am thinking about my own toiletry methods and I realise that the last piece of paper that I use on my ass I also use to wipe the uriine off my urethra. Now is there any possible contamination there? Maybe. So now I will use a clean piece of toilet paper from now on to do the final wipe of my urethra. It may be meaningless, but better safe than sorry. After that I always use soap and water to clean everything.

Syzygies

04-06-19, 03:12

As a expert, just by looking at a penis I can say the diagnosis before the lab confirms. It's better to see a medical professional that's specialist in infectioous diseases. Concerning tests, often the faster the worse.I agree that specialists are better than GPS normally, however still have had misdiagnosis by specialists. Worth getting a test to confirm. I insist.

One skin specialist diagnosed my scalp acne as dandruff. I was outraged, he could be so stupid. As a lay person with a lot of acne experience, I can tell the difference. A skin specialist ought to be able to understand also. Second skin specialist agreed was acne without doubt but is given a different medical terminology when under the hair. Just a silly example.

I did have to put up with Chlamydia far too long once because no test and specialist misdiagnosed (guessed wrong). Too much guessing going on. Agree that visible evidence can be fairly conclusive for some conditions, but not all. Normal GP once diagnosed "Cold Sores" on my mouth but skin specialist later laughed and said was very obvious to him they were Impetigo bacterial infection and not cold sores.

Sick of being given wrong treatments. Hence testing is important to me.

In all professions, humans are fallible and fuck up, so worth double checking anything where there can be doubt. Their is an old saying, "everyone gets promoted to one level above their level of competence". Or looking at it another way, very few are 100% competent to do their job. Everyone can learn and make mistakes.

Goferring

04-06-19, 03:38

Sick of being given wrong treatments. Hence testing is important to me.Just be mindful of incubation and detectability timelines.

I once had a horrendous recovery from tropical malaria as, by the time I got to a treatment centre, my blood samples had cleared and doctors were reluctant to provide medication. My blood may have been clear but I still felt like I was going to die for the next 30 days. Not a fun experience.

MongerForSex

04-06-19, 10:19

I agree that specialists are better than GPS normally, however still have had misdiagnosis by specialists. Worth getting a test to confirm. I insist.

One skin specialist diagnosed my scalp acne as dandruff. I was outraged, he could be so stupid. As a lay person with a lot of acne experience, I can tell the difference. A skin specialist ought to be able to understand also. Second skin specialist agreed was acne without doubt but is given a different medical terminology when under the hair. Just a silly example.

I did have to put up with Chlamydia far too long once because no test and specialist misdiagnosed (guessed wrong). Too much guessing going on. Agree that visible evidence can be fairly conclusive for some conditions, but not all. Normal GP once diagnosed "Cold Sores" on my mouth but skin specialist later laughed and said was very obvious to him they were Impetigo bacterial infection and not cold sores.

Sick of being given wrong treatments. Hence testing is important to me.

In all professions, humans are fallible and fuck up, so worth double checking anything where there can be doubt. Their is an old saying, "everyone gets promoted to one level above their level of competence". Or looking at it another way, very few are 100% competent to do their job. Everyone can learn and make mistakes.All skin specialists are not specialist in infectious diseases, All skin specialists are not dermatopathologists. There are many kinds of skin specialists like bone specialists and other specialists, medicine is very vast. I always test to confirm. Tests are also misdiagnosed and not 100% accurate because some medical conditions may affect some antibody tests (HIV syphilis etc ). It's better to see a specialist to rule out some conditions, to diagnose you, to know your symptoms, your sexual history, your family history to give you the right medication and to test you for the right desease.

Every specialist must diagnose and send the sample to the lab to confirm it.

Dave96

04-15-19, 09:20

Anyone has ever had a red pimple on their penis?

I got a red pimple after having sex, protected vaginal sex and unprotected oral sex.

Syzygies

04-16-19, 01:50

Anyone has ever had a red pimple on their penis?

I got a red pimple after having sex, protected vaginal sex and unprotected oral sex.As a person prone to pimples, I have had them almost everywhere over many years, including the balls. On dick is a bit unusual.

If it is a pimple, then harmless. Pimples are lumps, and can develop a white head (pustule).

Not really so red unless you irritated it by squeezing etc. So I am guessing you may have something that is not actually a 'Pimple'.

No experience with that.

Go get checked might be best if you have any doubts.

CzarNicholas

04-16-19, 02:08

Gargano19

04-16-19, 06:33

Anyone has ever had a red pimple on their penis?

I got a red pimple after having sex, protected vaginal sex and unprotected oral sex.I had a red pimple on my balls last year, not on dick. It was not because of sex though. Though that pimple caused lot of itching and embarrassment once in public place, when couple of people saw me scratching my crotch area via jeans.

Anyways, pimples are normal, but never heard it happening on dick. If it stays and you feel uncomfortable, just go see a doctor.

MongerForSex

04-16-19, 11:59

Anyone has ever had a red pimple on their penis?

I got a red pimple after having sex, protected vaginal sex and unprotected oral sex.Pimples or bumps are common on the penis. Most of them are harmless as long as they don't burst into ulcer.

Common causes.

Bacterial infection causes pimples due to bad hygiene, an irritation from or an allergic reaction to shampoo, or soap, an irritation from shaving, rubbing on clothing can cause bumps, ingrown hair, Folliculitis, staphylococcus Infections caused by cuts, cuts caused by intercourses and masturbation or scratches caused by an objet, when they close up, a bump forms and will decrease. Hirsutoid Papillomas Molluscum contagiosum, lymphocele. Oily skin cause pimples on penis, septic spots can also happen in penis. There are many other conditions, Dr Google is not your friend.

Normal bumps on penis: Fordyce spots, pearly papule, hair follicles.

Common std.

Herpes and warts.

DzikaBomba

04-16-19, 18:08

Anyone has ever had a red pimple on their penis?

I got a red pimple after having sex, protected vaginal sex and unprotected oral sex.Had that also. After a few days it developed to a yeast infection on my dick.

That's very common. Also from oral.

Dave96

04-18-19, 17:34

MongerForSex

04-19-19, 10:13

I visited a dermatovenereologist the day before yesterday, he said it's just a septic spot on the glans that will go away in few days. It doesn't look like HSV or HPV, he said it's no use testing for HSV because most of the people have it. I said it's maybe a syphilistic chancre, he told me it is not a chancre because it's not painless, doesn't look like chancre and won't become a painless ulcer, he told me I don't need to get tested for HSV and syphilis and just need to keep the area clean.

Four days later, the pimple disappeared. How is it possible to get a septic spot on the glans? I thought we only get them on the face. Can I trust the doctor? I am a bit paranoid about having HSV or syphilis.Your dermatovenereologist is right about your diagnosis, you can trust him because it's his field. Nobody is as skilled as a venereologist when it comes to infectious diseases. STD clinics are useless because they are not specialist in infectious diseases.

Don't worry about HSV because most of us have HSV and good immune can control it and don't worry about syphilis because a chancre is very noticeable. Septic spots happens all over the body. Just wash your genital area with warm water without using soap.

DimKO

04-19-19, 10:30

Hi guys,

I read this forum from time to time, mostly when going to "exotic" place.

I want to mention some medicine that is widely used by mongers and working girls in post USSR countries. It's called "chlorhexidine" and some better version of it "miramistin". Generally it is antiseptics that kill bacterias and all other shit. It can be bought in pharmacy (very cheap) and is used in urology, surgeries and as a skin disinfection.

It is sold in small bottles with a thin "adjuster" on the tip, so you can stick it in [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) channel and push liquid inside.

After sex you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) first, then put few mls inside your dick hold for about 15 sec, remove liquid and don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) for next 2 hours. Also it's good to spray it on surface of your dick and area around. Works better than just water or soap, but no one can guarantee you 100% defense, of course. No smell, no color, might burn a little when you first [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) afterwards.

I personally have been using it for 7-8 years, very sexually active years. 98% BJ are with no condom, sometimes BBFS and occasional broken condoms. Got only 1 minor problem during that period (ureaplasma or something like that, got cured with antibiotics in a week). So overall pretty good result for me.

I take few bottles with me on a trip from home, not sure you can buy it in Thailand. So maybe search for similar medicine or try to buy from online shop.

P.S. Recently if I want to have BBFS I test girls for HIV with express test. Cost 5-7 $, 10-15 minutes, uses blood from finger, compact. Makes me feel less worried.

LocalBoy4

04-19-19, 15:13

...So I am thinking about my own toiletry methods and I realise that the last piece of paper that I use on my ass I also use to wipe the uriine off my urethra. Now is there any possible contamination there? Maybe. ...Women are often advised to wipe 'front to back' to prevent UTI's. Something to do with stopping bacteria entering the p-hole.

MySecretLife

04-20-19, 04:30

Hi guys,

I read this forum from time to time, mostly when going to "exotic" place.

I want to mention some medicine that is widely used by mongers and working girls in post USSR countries. It's called "chlorhexidine" and some better version of it "miramistin". Generally it is antiseptics that kill bacterias and all other shit. It can be bought in pharmacy (very cheap) and is used in urology, surgeries and as a skin disinfection.

I personally have been using it for 7-8 years, very sexually active years. 98% BJ are with no condom, sometimes BBFS and occasional broken condoms. Got only 1 minor problem during that period (ureaplasma or something like that, got cured with antibiotics in a week). So overall pretty good result for me.

I take few bottles with me on a trip from home, not sure you can buy it in Thailand. So maybe search for similar medicine or try to buy from online shop.

P.S. Recently if I want to have BBFS I test girls for HIV with express test. Cost 5-7 $, 10-15 minutes, uses blood from finger, compact. Makes me feel less worried.

In India, we use Chlorhexadine 1% W / V along with Alcohol as skin disinfectant, usually called as handrub to keep hands germs free.

More concentrated 2% W / V along with Isopropyl Alcohol is used to clean skin surfaces prior to surgeries, used in ICU, OT.

I am unsure if you can directly apply or dip willy into the skin disinfectant handrub which is combination of Chlorhexadine Glutante plus Alcohol. I had severe burning sensation when I tried to apply Chlorhexdine liquid on my willy resulting dark pigmentation of my prepuce (I am uncircumcised) which took couple of weeks to heal after applying intensive moisturizer lotions. Like Betadine(Povidone iodine) mouthwash, we use Chlorhexadine based mouth wash for treating throat and oral infections. I remember reading a post on ISG that one punter used-to dip his willy in concentrated betadine liquid to act as a barrier for BBFS.

Provided client bears the cost, does FLs or Gogo girls in Thailand agree for rapid testing? Though it doesn't completely eliminate the risk of exposure, it gives fair confidence about her past encounters.

Syzygies

04-20-19, 05:22

Your dermatovenereologist is right about your diagnosis, you can trust him because it's his field. Nobody is as skilled as a venereologist when it comes to infectious diseases. STD clinics are useless because they are not specialist in infectious diseases.

Don't worry about HSV because most of us have HSV and good immune can control it and don't worry about syphilis because a chancre is very noticeable. Septic spots happens all over the body. Just wash your genital area with warm water without using soap.Is it not useful when having HSV, to at least know what it is? Surely those that have regular painful outbreaks, usually want to know what it is. I have one acquaintance who says, ever time he catches a cold, he will also get "cold sores" around the mouth and lip area. So he knows it is coming. I don't really know much about the predominantly genital HSV-2.

I have been misdiagnosed as having HSV-1 on the mouth when was actually Impetigo bacteria. Interestingly long term test for HSV seem to be unreliable (I got one positive and a subsequent re-test negative so I don't know which one was right), but test for whether one has a current outbreak should be reasonably reliable, and could explain a current sore if it was actually the cause. Was suggested to me a 3rd long term test for HSV would be useless though, and not really prove anything.

MySecretLife

04-20-19, 05:42

MongerForSex

04-20-19, 18:13

Is it not useful when having HSV, to at least know what it is? Surely those that have regular painful outbreaks, usually want to know what it is. I have one acquaintance who says, ever time he catches a cold, he will also get "cold sores" around the mouth and lip area. So he knows it is coming. I don't really know much about the predominantly genital HSV-2.

I have been misdiagnosed as having HSV-1 on the mouth when was actually Impetigo bacteria. Interestingly long term test for HSV seem to be unreliable (I got one positive and a subsequent re-test negative so I don't know which one was right), but test for whether one has a current outbreak should be reasonably reliable, and could explain a current sore if it was actually the cause. Was suggested to me a 3rd long term test for HSV would be useless though, and not really prove anything.HSV test is useless when you have no symptom, When your infection is not active, HSV test is negative. That's why it is important to visit a dermatovenereologist when it comes to infectious diseases. Many people are misdiagnosed because antibody tests are not accurate and many medical conditions can trigger a positive result.

I recieved many misdiagnosed patients, a patient misdiagnosed with HIV came to my office, when I checked his skin, it was evident his skin disease was not virulent and caused by his immune system, he is now diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. I refered him to a rheumatologist, another patient misdiagnosed with syphilis, it was evident his genital ulcer was caused by tuberculosis bacteria. Another patient misdiagnosed with tertiary syphilis, it was evident his face skin destruction was caused by leishmaniasis and so on. That's why it is better to see a venereologist.

Many doctors without experience mistake impetigo bacteria for HSV. There are also many different types of eczema. Only an experienced skin specialist can recognize them. I see 20 patients a day and am used to seeing different skin conditions and I studied dermatovenereology.

Antibiotic overuse or unecessary antibiotics make bacterias more resistant.

Syzygies

04-21-19, 06:44

Please correct me if I'm wrong, HSV PCR test is more definitive and conclusive test than IgG & IgM methods, Isn't it? My understanding is that PCR test directly looks for virus. A Venereologist I consulted last year in Bangalore - India, told me not to get tested for HSV (for both the strains I & II) when having cold or flu because it can give false-positive results for both IgG & IgM methods.Thanks for that. It was IgG IgM methods that were getting unreliable results. I think IgG was supposed to detect if ever had HSV. However even then I really wanted to know, if I ever had HSV, whether was type 1 or 2, which the tests did not specify.
So I won't be bothering with those any more. I never had identifiable symptoms, but supposedly, not everyone does. If I have in fact avoided both, I must have been quite lucky since majority of Americans I read have had at least one of the two, or both. I am not American but I don't know statistics for my country. We certainly see cold sores often enough (I don't seem to have had any).

Genital Herpes seems to have a big stigma which is possibly quite overblown given the abundance of it. I don't like to do girls with genital warts (HPV strains) but that is mainly because the feel is spoiled by non smooth pussy. Condom might be mandatory. Don't really know the risks.

The worst problem when having an STD, for me is what to tell partners. I told one girl I had a dick discharge. She was the only girl I was fucking (but she had an official BF someone else). Testing did not identify an STD, but my problem was fixed. She was tested but found no problem, so I did not catch the whatever from her, and there was no other sexual contact. She stopped giving me BBFS from then on, thinking I was a risk, yet I had not done anything risky other than with her. Being 100% honest did not work out best.

Another time I got Chlamydia. I told the only girl I had been fucking BBFS, yet she claimed to have nothing. That left only a one off BBBJ as a possible cause. In the end I don't know if she was lying and gave it to me, although she was taking medication for some other problem. She also had another BF I believe (although denied it).
Again no points for honesty. I have since learned how incredibly easy it is to transmit Chlamydia, so from BBBJ is certainly possible. Even getting it off a "toilet seat" is actually conceivable. Ha ha. Outside the human body it does not die absolutely immediately on air contact. Can be caught from finger in pussy, for example. The importance of washing hands is high.

So mysterious things that never seemed to have straightforward explanations.

Param Ahmad

04-21-19, 07:13

I read about blood tests for herpes simplex virus (HSV) many years ago. What I read said both IgM and IgG tests need a period of days or weeks to become positive for herpes simplex (HSV-1 or 2). IgM tests will go negative after a period of time, but that doesn't mean you no longer have HSV. What I read said IgG tests for HSV can be negative after some number of weeks after acquiring the infection but will thereafter become positive and remain so for the remainder of your life. I'm not remembering how long you must wait after sexual contact for an IgM or IgG test for HSV to become positive, but according to what I read in medical textbooks, a positive IgG test, although it tests for antibodies rather than the virus itself, is a reliable indication you have a lifelong case of HSV. The test cannot determine whether the infection is oral or genital, but so-far I don't recall any references to oral HSV-2. In some areas, HSV-1 causes more genital herpes than HSV-2, so testing negative for HSV-2 but positive for HSV-1 does not mean you don't have genital HSV.

This article tells you what you need to know about IgM and IgG blood tests for HSV: https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-does-a-positive-herpes-igg-test-mean-3132937. It says it can take months after being infected for a HSV test to detect antibodies to HSV.

Syzygies

04-21-19, 08:02

... but according to what I read in medical textbooks, a positive IgG test, although it tests for antibodies rather than the virus itself, is a reliable indication you have a lifelong case of HSV. The test cannot determine whether the infection is oral or genital, but so-far I don't recall any references to oral HSV-2.My first IgG test was positive, but the subsequent one (after a delay) was negative. So I either got a false positive or a false negative. Reliable means what exactly? People can still fuck it up, or just the answer is not definitive. The experts seem to suggest this test is not that worthwhile. My experience is I learned nothing useful from it. Was a waste of time and money.

I actually asked for a HSV-2 specific test the 2nd time, but I did not get that. Was actually standard IgG. So you really have to know yourself, exactly what test you want and understand its reliability. Lay testers probably don't have the knowledge and may think to do near enough is good enough.

Once asked for a Uric Acid test, and the staff thought I had asked for U-rine test. ha ha. New staff, was the excuse. So check the test sheet specifies what you really wanted. Imagine you want an "Oxidised Low Density Lipo-protein" test. Not easy to get that over broad HDL/LDL tests but much more useful.

MongerForSex

04-21-19, 10:36

My first IgG test was positive, but the subsequent one (after a delay) was negative. So I either got a false positive or a false negative. Reliable means what exactly? People can still fuck it up, or just the answer is not definitive. The experts seem to suggest this test is not that worthwhile. My experience is I learned nothing useful from it. Was a waste of time and money.

I actually asked for a HSV-2 specific test the 2nd time, but I did not get that. Was actually standard IgG. So you really have to know yourself, exactly what test you want and understand its reliability. Lay testers probably don't have the knowledge and may think to do near enough is good enough.

Once asked for a Uric Acid test, and the staff thought I had asked for U-rine test. ha ha. New staff, was the excuse. So check the test sheet specifies what you really wanted. Imagine you want an "Oxidised Low Density Lipo-protein" test. Not easy to get that over broad HDL/LDL tests but much more useful.Antibody tests are difficult to understand, almost everybody has herpes, you can develop outbreak anytime in your life or never. HSV1 in your genital protects you from HSV2.

Cholesterol test is useless, it was proved people with higher cholesterol live longer and high cholesterol protects you from cancer, there is no link between Cholesterol and heart disease. Many people get misdiagnosed today, conventional medicine is good as a last resort when you suffer from an advanced disease ( very active bacterial disease that can kill you EX tuberculosis but if it's latent , it is better not take antibiotics ) or for emergency (accident, bullet wound) or for reconstruction or if you were born with an organ that doesn't function ( EX diabete type 1 ) but not for preventive measures (prostate colon screening etc).

I vsited a dentist 12 years ago, he said I have a cavity after the radio, I did not let him treat it. I still don't have a hole or a pain in my tooth.

Banana Boi

04-22-19, 06:07

MongerForSex

04-22-19, 09:16

Apologies if this has already been discussed as I do not follow this thread. Just read on Love Pattaya Thailand that there is a self testing HIV kit you can purchase at local pharmacies. Not sure how accurate it would be but I guess it's better than nothing.

Article also states in 2017 there were about 440,000 people in Thailand with HIV. Live Thailand population site indicates 68,950,856 people live in Thailand today.The rapid test is not accurate, better to get tested in a laboratory, you must see a specialist before getting tested.

Common false positive results in rapid test: Immune disease (rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, Sjgren's syndrome etc), Lyme disease, Tuberculosis, flu, tetanus and hepatitis vaccination, Hepatitis, Malaria, Hemophilia, Leishmaniasis, Syphilis, Leprosy, Lymphoma, Liver disease, Malignant Neoplasm and other medical condions.

Syzygies

04-24-19, 05:28

Cholesterol test is useless, it was proved people with higher cholesterol live longer and high cholesterol protects you from cancer, there is no link between Cholesterol and heart disease. I agree Cholesterol test is useless, but many doctors still go with it. No way I would be taking Statins, but many "top" heart specialists are still going with that despite studies showing that Statins does not make guys over 50 live any longer. I guess Statins is really a separate topic from Cholesterol. Cholesterol lowering is possibly a side effect of Statins, but Cholesterol is little to do with heart disease. No one ever proved that Colesterol was involved in heart disease. Even Oxidized LDLS causing heart disease is not well proven, it seems.

Cholesterol is actually a harmless substance, when really they mean LDLs. I am not a doctor so don't fully understand, but neither do the doctors.

The USA National health council or whatever they were called, went with the fudged theories of an administrator non-scientist, I forget his name, now the saturated fat myths have to be debunked. Eskimos eating saturated fat from seal blubber were very low on heart disease. Ha ha.

USA (and other countries) continued to get fatter and fatter on low fat high sugar junk food. Eating fat was probably irrelevant.

This website is useful:

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/07/27/saturated-fat-cholesterol.aspx

The modern evil is really sugar and simple starch carbohydrates (that convert to sugar very rapidly).

Someone published that diet drinks with zero calories are still fattening. I debunked that one easily with my own testing. Diet soft drink e. G. With Stevia never caused me to put on weight or stopped me losing weight. Sugary drinks do stop me losing weight easily. To me keeping weight in control is dominantly about eating real food, high fibre, low sugars, low starches, and don't eat till full. Just enough. Its really not that hard. In Thailand lots of high fibre veg oriented food with some meat is available. Lots of plain water is available to drink. Ha ha.

I had been eating some bad foods OS (garder to find good stuff), but last few weeks moved to healthy organic with plenty of fruit and veg (Exclude potatoes) and water. Lost 4 unwanted kilos fairly quickly.

Getting back to sex, what better way to improve your sex life and stamina than by shedding those unwanted kilos. Mrs has been horny most nights lately and I did not use any Viagra. She likes to start with a good DATY. Years ago she like a fairly short duration DATY as was very sensitive, but now she goes with it for longer for multiple pops even before I put the dick in. Medicinal weed smoking certainly boosts my Mrs' sexual desires a lot, helps her chill out and feel horny. I don't smoke at all myself. Don't need that. I am already very relaxed.

MongerForSex

04-24-19, 11:19

I agree Cholesterol test is useless, but many doctors still go with it. No way I would be taking Statins, but many "top" heart specialists are still going with that despite studies showing that Statins does not make guys over 50 live any longer. I guess Statins is really a separate topic from Cholesterol. Cholesterol lowering is possibly a side effect of Statins, but Cholesterol is little to do with heart disease. No one ever proved that Colesterol was involved in heart disease. Even Oxidized LDLS causing heart disease is not well proven, it seems.

Cholesterol is actually a harmless substance, when really they mean LDLs. I am not a doctor so don't fully understand, but neither do the doctors.

The USA National health council or whatever they were called, went with the fudged theories of an administrator non-scientist, I forget his name, now the saturated fat myths have to be debunked. Eskimos eating saturated fat from seal blubber were very low on heart disease. Ha ha.

USA (and other countries) continued to get fatter and fatter on low fat high sugar junk food. Eating fat was probably irrelevant.

This website is useful:

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/07/27/saturated-fat-cholesterol.aspx

The modern evil is really sugar and simple starch carbohydrates (that convert to sugar very rapidly).

Someone published that diet drinks with zero calories are still fattening. I debunked that one easily with my own testing. Diet soft drink e. G. With Stevia never caused me to put on weight or stopped me losing weight. Sugary drinks do stop me losing weight easily. To me keeping weight in control is dominantly about eating real food, high fibre, low sugars, low starches, and don't eat till full. Just enough. Its really not that hard. In Thailand lots of high fibre veg oriented food with some meat is available. Lots of plain water is available to drink. Ha ha.

I had been eating some bad foods OS (garder to find good stuff), but last few weeks moved to healthy organic with plenty of fruit and veg (Exclude potatoes) and water. Lost 4 unwanted kilos fairly quickly.

Getting back to sex, what better way to improve your sex life and stamina than by shedding those unwanted kilos. Mrs has been horny most nights lately and I did not use any Viagra. She likes to start with a good DATY. Years ago she like a fairly short duration DATY as was very sensitive, but now she goes with it for longer for multiple pops even before I put the dick in. Medicinal weed smoking certainly boosts my Mrs' sexual desires a lot, helps her chill out and feel horny. I don't smoke at all myself. Don't need that. I am already very relaxed.What I learned as a doctor is that many doctors are idiots or dangerous, They just follow the medical book, they only study the medications but don't study how strong the body is because it's not beneficial.

Most tests are waste of time for preventive measures, Colon screening, breast screening, prostate screening, mole removal, std tests, dentist radio, heart screening, cholesterol tests, tuberculosis blood tests etc.

I don't find the conventional medicine to be good for preventive measures.

Viagra is good when you have medical problem but nowadays people use viagra without having any issue.

Masturbation can keep your male organ healthy. Keep enjoying your retirement, you will die of something someday.

Biggusdickus

04-24-19, 13:17

The rapid test is not accurate, better to get tested in a laboratory, you must see a specialist before getting tested.No test is 100% accurate, but the rapid test is almost as accurate as the Elisa they do in the lab. No need to see a specialist; just keep in mind that a positive result needs to be confirmed by a lab test because it might very likely be a false positive result.

If you're really interested in the test accuracy (sensitivity and specificity etc.) just read the leaflet that comes with the test. And once again, remember, so many healthy people do that test that the small percentage of false positive results among the healthy outweighs the high percentage of true positive results among the diseased. So don't be alarmed by a positive result, just get re-tested in the lab!

FL Hawk

04-25-19, 07:47

HSV1 in your genital protects you from HSV2.
Is inverse true as well?

I was cold sore free until a few days after I gave a woman oral sex in my 40's. She had refused intercourse, so possibly she knew she was having an outbreak that was not visible to me. I don't believe I kissed her either. It was a primary infection as it lasted nearly 3 weeks. Later, I had a blood test to identify which type I had (I had no outbreak at the time of the test), sure that I had type 1. Well, it came back type 2 to my surprise. Strange.

Thanks for your important contributions to this forum, Doc. I had never heard of your particular specialty.

MongerForSex

04-25-19, 15:45

Is inverse true as well?

I was cold sore free until a few days after I gave a woman oral sex in my 40's. She had refused intercourse, so possibly she knew she was having an outbreak that was not visible to me. I don't believe I kissed her either. It was a primary infection as it lasted nearly 3 weeks. Later, I had a blood test to identify which type I had (I had no outbreak at the time of the test), sure that I had type 1. Well, it came back type 2 to my surprise. Strange.

Thanks for your important contributions to this forum, Doc. I had never heard of your particular specialty.The test just says you have HSV 2 but we don't know where in your body, the only way to diagnose hsv blisters is by taking a sample from the sore and using a microscopy. Your cold sore may be HSV1, HSV1 may take up to 6 months to be positive when it started to be active and then overtime it becomes negative again, may or may not cause outbreaks again. HSV2 rarely cause blisters in the mouth like HSV1 rarely cause blisters in the genital areas. It may also be canker sores that may take up to 5 weeks to go away. The pain normally goes away from the 5th day to 12th day maximum. If you have HSV1 in your mouth, for sure, you don't have HSV2 in your mouth. STDs tests are complicated, there are still many mistakes like any medical test. Nothing is better than my dermatoscopy and microscopy to diagnose skin diseases. I always send the samples to confirm my diagnosis because it's compulsory. Almost everybody has HSV in their body but never develop any symptom, you can also get HSV without having sex.

Rare Monger

04-28-19, 10:48

Guys,

If the escorts come with their test results for the previous day can you trust them or is there any other way to do this other than the self test kits if This is discussed previously please guide me to the page guys thank you.

Rare Monger

04-28-19, 14:59

Syzygies

04-29-19, 07:31

Can I ask an escort to take a test the previous day before meeting me are they any reliable than pricking a girl in the room for a rapid test I know both won't rule out any new infections but I would be less worried.Wear two condoms if you are so scared, is my advice. HIV is not easy to catch if you are well protected. Other STDs can be easy to catch, but not with care and condoms so much. If you want BBFS, then Escorts are probably not your best bet. Try to consider which type of venues are likely to provide the girl that is willing to waste time for your requirements, and needs the money.

Anything is possible if you pay enough money to make it worthwhile for the girl, no matter your requests seem quite unusual. So I think it is possible to take a girl to the Red Cross for testing, if she is willing, and you pay her the right compensation. Escorts, maybe too difficult, especially if she does not know you already. A girl maybe able to show you her recent test results, I never tried to see that to date.

The difficulty is finding someone to reply that has done exactly as you suggest, since it is rather unusual.

MongerForSex

04-30-19, 01:13

Can I ask an escort to take a test the previous day before meeting me are they any reliable than pricking a girl in the room for a rapid test I know both won't rule out any new infections but I would be less worried.Most straight men contracted hiv from drug use or transfusion. Some so called straight men contracted hiv but they are not really straight because they consider themselves as straight men but they had sex with transexuals or men.

Be careful of gonorrhea and chlamydia, they are very common in straight population, so use a condom. Don't worry about hiv as long as you stay away from gay sex and iv drug. STD clinics are bullshit, they just want everybody to get tested even people that are not at risk just not to discrimate MSM and drug users and also because they need to keep their job. Most people working in std clinics are not specialists and many of them are volunteers. Many studies proved that vaginal sex is not a risk for hiv. There is no epidemic in straight population. I am not interested in working in std clinics because I make less money because it's non profit organization. Thre's money but not for people working in clinics only for laboratories and pharmaceutical companies. I did not study many years to work as a volunteer or for a low salary for companies that take advantage of me and pretend to be non profit. Most specialists are independents and make their own money.

Syzygies

04-30-19, 09:55

Many studies proved that vaginal sex is not a risk for hiv. There is no epidemic in straight population. I agree with most of that, e. G. Chlamydia and Gonorrhea clearly easily caught, however I think studies have shown women can catch HIV from vaginal sex, maybe not so much men will catch it this way.

There are many cases in the villages where child became an orphan because both parents died of AIDs. This is known. I didn't think the parents were drug addicts in all cases. Generally accepted that some innocent Thai wives caught AIDs from their husband who was up to, who knows what? Do you dispute these possibilities?

Most medical web sites claim that it is not that hard for a women to pick up aids from a male dick, but the reverse is quoted as far more difficult.

Can every woman with AIDs be put down to anal or intravenous drugs, or blood transfusions? I doubt it. I agree for men, we would be looking at very small percentages not involved in anal sex, drugs, or tranfusions.

MongerForSex

04-30-19, 11:30

Can every woman with AIDs be put down to anal or intravenous drugs, or blood transfusions? I doubt it. I agree for men, we would be looking at very small percentages not involved in anal sex, drugs, or tranfusions.Unfortunately, science is not easy to understand. There is no epidemic in straight population , I agree with you, it's easier for women to get hiv from men , gay population is the most affected.

Syzygies

05-01-19, 09:00

Unfortunately, science is not easy to understand. There is no epidemic in straight population , I agree with you, it's easier for women to get hiv from men , gay population is the most affected.It becomes more important for a girl to see the guy's HIV test results, than for the guy to see her HIV test results, regularly. The girl is the one taking the much greater risk. The guy should also test for Chlamydia ideally, before going back to wife / GF in case of no symptoms. Always a significant risk if his girls are willing to do BBFS with nearly anyone. Incredibly easy to catch if the girl has it.

Some girls are inconsistent. May do BB on occasion when desperate for the money, and then on a subsequent occasion not make it available (having thought about the risks some more), or upping the price. Ha ha.

Lay person's views based on reading up, and personal experience. I will probably never know for sure if I ever had Herpes or not after inconsistent test results, but had Chlamydia 2 times in my life (long ago) so am aware of ease to catch it from wayward girls. On both occasions I was not fucking many girls BBFS (only one), was taking BBBJ, but I still got it. One case transferred by finger, and other case unsure if from BBFS (the girl denied having anything but could have been lying) or BBBJ.

Would be interesting to know if a lot of guys needing to do anal are doing that without condoms, since that definitely seems very risky. I would not do that myself. Tends to indicate stupid girls will to die soon too. I am aware of one hooker supposed to be HIV positive with mainly Thai and other Asian clients for many years. She must be close to 50 YO now and has not died (that I know of). She was very pretty back in 1991, when I met her and her female friend. I never tried her but would have liked to (was doing her friend instead). No clue which activities led to the HIV however I imagine BBFS was very common. No clue if she got into drugs, but quite possible, had a long term Thai pimp I think.

Catire

05-01-19, 10:18

Syzygies, Thai citizens get free or very cheap HIV / AIDS medical care and pill therapy.

With the new drugs, their viral levels can become almost undetectable. (and if their viral load is low enough, becomes very difficult to catch it from them).

I know a Thai woman who I discovered was HIV positive and she is now in that program and on drug therapy. HIV / AIDS is no longer a death sentence. Magic Johnson has lived without issues for how many years now? And when he dies, it won't be because of AIDS / HIV.

The general risks of transmission are now fairly well known.

Roughly speaking. The female (receiver) risk is double the male's (givers).

Vaginal sex around 1 in 4000 chance (this is if doing bareback and partner is infected) for a guy. 1 in 2000 for woman.

Anal sex 1 in 2000 maybe 1 in 1500 for man. 1 in 1000 can be as low as in 1 in 500 for a woman.

There are other factors.

A) if the guy is circumsized. He has additional protection (hasn't been specifically "quantified" I don't think, but everyone agrees it "reduces" transmission rates for men.

B) how "rough" the sex is. The rougher the sex, the higher likelihood of tiny tears and abrasion where the virus can pass via blood. (the unlubricated rectal lining and easiness of tiny rectal tears is the scientific and logical explanation for the difference in transmission rate between vaginal and anal

Catire

05-01-19, 14:37

Rare Monger

05-01-19, 14:57

Thanks for the reply guys but that is not the H I am worried about, the last time I came to Pattaya was 10 yrs ago and I took a girl from a gogo everything went so well in the room she gave me a BBBJ and I DATY the girl luckily she was not a dancer but the youngest waitress there probably 19 yr old and I was so afraid and took a test right after I returned from the trip and Ian sure that I will not BBFS even if it was a known girlfriend but BBBJ is mandatory and DATY if it goes really well but it is about the cold sores and dick warts like the guy few pages ago Ian worried about can a test the previous day rule out these conditions.

I think I can take antibiotics and cry a little while peeing inside a toilet if it is chlamydia or any other uti.

MongerForSex

05-01-19, 16:11

This is interesting. Transmission probabilities are higher in Africa (and Thailand) BTW.

But age matters. Being geezers helps most guys here. Less likely to catch / transmit (though unsure if this holds up with vast age difference between partners).

And viral load matters a LOT. Which is perfectly logical.

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/gray2/

ok, i stand corrected. They HAVE quantified circumcision effects. and they are HUGE (see e.g. on anal sex for top/bottom for e.g.) (1 in 900 to 1 in hundred something!!!)

and in North America, the vaginal act appears to be more like 1 in 2500 for guy, 1 in 1250 for woman

https://www.poz.com/article/HIV-risk-25382-5829

btw, if I were living in Thailand or spending a lot of time there and barebacking around with prostitutes I would be on PrEP. (18 dollars a month in Thailand... 2000 a month in US)Be careful with Prep, it increases the risk of syphilis. Syphilis is increasing due to hiv medication, Prep, Chemsex, steroid and illigal drug.

Syphilis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS-5emVVRXs.

https://www.poz.com/article/hiv-medications-possibly-including-prep-may-raise-susceptibility-syphilis

Straight couples in san francisco. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/13950732_Heterosexual_Transmission_of_Human_Immunodeficiency_Virus_HIV_in_Northern_California_Results_from_a_Ten-year_Study.

Fucking medical companies always want to sell their shit for anything, they treat a problem to create another problem. Cancer is the biggest business followed by stds.

You don't get hiv easily, there are many factors. If not everybody would be hiv posive. I don't beleive in luck, I beleive in factors. Scare tactic is a good way to make business.

Most scientific datas are useless. Scientists and doctors never agree each other.

MongerForSex

05-01-19, 16:29

It becomes more important for a girl to see the guy's HIV test results, than for the guy to see her HIV test results, regularly. The girl is the one taking the much greater risk. The guy should also test for Chlamydia ideally, before going back to wife / GF in case of no symptoms. Always a significant risk if his girls are willing to do BBFS with nearly anyone. Incredibly easy to catch if the girl has it.

Some girls are inconsistent. May do BB on occasion when desperate for the money, and then on a subsequent occasion not make it available (having thought about the risks some more), or upping the price. Ha ha.

Lay person's views based on reading up, and personal experience. I will probably never know for sure if I ever had Herpes or not after inconsistent test results, but had Chlamydia 2 times in my life (long ago) so am aware of ease to catch it from wayward girls. On both occasions I was not fucking many girls BBFS (only one), was taking BBBJ, but I still got it. One case transferred by finger, and other case unsure if from BBFS (the girl denied having anything but could have been lying) or BBBJ.

Would be interesting to know if a lot of guys needing to do anal are doing that without condoms, since that definitely seems very risky. I would not do that myself. Tends to indicate stupid girls will to die soon too. I am aware of one hooker supposed to be HIV positive with mainly Thai and other Asian clients for many years. She must be close to 50 YO now and has not died (that I know of). She was very pretty back in 1991, when I met her and her female friend. I never tried her but would have liked to (was doing her friend instead). No clue which activities led to the HIV however I imagine BBFS was very common. No clue if she got into drugs, but quite possible, had a long term Thai pimp I think.Herpes is useless, you have herpes for sure like me. Everybody has herpes in their body. You can get herpes even without having sex. For example, when you were a child you liked to put your finger in your mouth or other thinks or maybe you get herpes from your mother when she kissed you when you was a baby. Don't worry about herpes.

When did you get chlamydia? Did you [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) and wash your dicks in the past after sex? Did you use soap? Herpes tests is not accurate when it says it's active maybe it was due to your impetigo bacteria. False positive also happen in herpes tests. Now I am sure you don't get anything anymore, when we were young, we made more mistakes.

I always use condoms for sex, I don't want to have unwanted babies. When you make a baby in Brazil, you are fucked because you have to pay for the rest of your life. I prefer using condoms because I can I last longer and the sensation is not very strong because when I bareback, I come very fast and hate it, the sensation is very strong and also to avoid bacterial diseases

Syzygies

05-02-19, 12:28

Herpes is useless, you have herpes for sure like me. Everybody has herpes in their body. You can get herpes even without having sex. For example, when you were a child you liked to put your finger in your mouth or other thinks or maybe you get herpes from your mother when she kissed you when you was a baby. Don't worry about herpes.

When did you get chlamydia?

Herpes tests is not accurate when it says it's active maybe it was due to your impetigo bacteria. False positive also happen in herpes tests. Now I am sure you don't get anything anymore, when we were young, we made more mistakes.
My Chlamydia was many years ago, due to no not washing hands or dick properly, etc. When one is not sure of the specific incident, with more than one possibility, then is hard to be sure of the fine details about washing behaviour etc. Was at least 15 years ago. However Chlamydia in one eye clearly came from finger in pussy. That is the sure one. Misdiagnosed for 2 or 3 weeks by eye specialist before I had to guess myself and demand a test plus Chlamydia treatment (easy to fix quickly if treated). Clearly washing of hands before rub the eyes is real important.

I don't know for a fact if ever had Herpes or not. I don't agree that everyone has it. High percentage in USA but I am not from there. Never tested positive to active Herpes. Long term tests had contradictory results. So maybe,maybe not. Maybe a false positive (or a false negative). My mother, father, siblings and myself never had a cold sore to my knowledge, nor any other definite indicator. Sister in law, yes have seen her cold sore. Seems to be very hard to sure one way or the other, so not too concerned about it. If no symptoms, no pain, then no worries.

MongerForSex

05-02-19, 14:51

My Chlamydia was many years ago, due to no not washing hands or dick properly, etc. When one is not sure of the specific incident, with more than one possibility, then is hard to be sure of the fine details about washing behaviour etc. Was at least 15 years ago. However Chlamydia in one eye clearly came from finger in pussy. That is the sure one. Misdiagnosed for 2 or 3 weeks by eye specialist before I had to guess myself and demand a test plus Chlamydia treatment (easy to fix quickly if treated). Clearly washing of hands before rub the eyes is real important.

I don't know for a fact if ever had Herpes or not. I don't agree that everyone has it. High percentage in USA but I am not from there. Never tested positive to active Herpes. Long term tests had contradictory results. So maybe,maybe not. Maybe a false positive (or a false negative). My mother, father, siblings and myself never had a cold sore to my knowledge, nor any other definite indicator. Sister in law, yes have seen her cold sore. Seems to be very hard to sure one way or the other, so not too concerned about it. If no symptoms, no pain, then no worries.I have never had any symptom either, what I mean, everybody has herpes without having symptom all their life. I don't know people are scared of herpes because we almost all have it. The stigma kill people.

MongerForSex

05-08-19, 15:09

STDs per. Act risk.

https://srconstantin.wordpress.com/2015/04/30/std-statistics/

Syzygies

05-09-19, 04:31

STDs per. Act risk.

https://srconstantin.wordpress.com/2015/04/30/std-statistics/These numbers seem to have some strange anomalies, or perhaps someone can explain:

Quote on Chlamydia:

"Estimated per-encounter male-to-female transmission risk for unprotected intercourse was determined to be 0. 9%; with a condom it's 0. 053%. " That is a figure when not known if the girl has it or not.

So well over ten times less likely with a condom, or risk reduction by over 90%. Makes sense although I know transmission on finger is possible.

Elsewhere is says incidence is reduced by 60% by use of condom (for Chlamydia):

"Condom Effectiveness: high (reduces risk by 60%.

That is both contradictory and seemingly a rather low improvement. Accidental condom breakages are quite low. Slip off also rare. Yes he could catch from her BBBJ. Can this be part of the discrepancy.

Chlamydia having symptoms in only 2 to 4% of men? Can this be true? Seems very low and I certainly had symptoms 2 times.

I believe one time, I may well have got it from BBBJ, not so young woman (well over 25) from Grace Coffee shop, a very long time ago, e. G. 20 years ago.

With general 3 to 5% prevalence in population and 32% chance of transmission per act (with no condom), one would expect Guys to be catching it from young girls quite regularly, yet many guys doing habitual Bareback claim to have never had it. Can we put this down to having it, but no symptoms and not even knowing they have it?

It is a pity the HIV transmission rate for vaginal sex is not quoted separately for male and for the female, as I believe the rates are vastly different from what I read previously, e.g. perhaps the girl is at 10 times the risk with a HIV partner, and the guy is actually fairly low risk from HIV girl.

MongerForSex

05-09-19, 10:46

These numbers seem to have some strange anomalies, or perhaps someone can explain:

Quote on Chlamydia:

"Estimated per-encounter male-to-female transmission risk for unprotected intercourse was determined to be 0. 9%; with a condom it's 0. 053%. " That is a figure when not known if the girl has it or not.

So well over ten times less likely with a condom, or risk reduction by over 90%. Makes sense although I know transmission on finger is possible.

Elsewhere is says incidence is reduced by 60% by use of condom (for Chlamydia):

"Condom Effectiveness: high (reduces risk by 60%.

That is both contradictory and seemingly a rather low improvement. Accidental condom breakages are quite low. Slip off also rare. Yes he could catch from her BBBJ. Can this be part of the discrepancy.

Chlamydia having symptoms in only 2 to 4% of men? Can this be true? Seems very low and I certainly had symptoms 2 times.

I believe one time, I may well have got it from BBBJ, not so young woman (well over 25) from Grace Coffee shop, a very long time ago, e. G. 20 years ago.

With general 3 to 5% prevalence in population and 32% chance of transmission per act (with no condom), one would expect Guys to be catching it from young girls quite regularly, yet many guys doing habitual Bareback claim to have never had it. Can we put this down to having it, but no symptoms and not even knowing they have it?

It is a pity the HIV transmission rate for vaginal sex is not quoted separately for male and for the female, as I believe the rates are vastly different from what I read previously, e.g. perhaps the girl is at 10 times the risk with a HIV partner, and the guy is actually fairly low risk from HIV girl.It's just a number, To me, chlamydia, hiv and syphilis can't be transmitted orally. Many dermatologists agree with me. As I said, HIV is not quoted separately because people don't want to descriminate MSM, Even syphilis is not quoted separately. Drug free straight men don't need to get tested for hiv. Act means many things, It depends. To me, per act means per intercourse. I don't agree with syphilis and hiv statistics. Anyway STDs are not dangerous unlike modern diseases (heart disease, stroke, alzheimer, cancer diabete). Herpes is often asymptomatic, immune system clear HPV within 6 months or 1 year, Chlamydia is often asymptomatic in men and can go away on its own, Immune system clear acute Hepatitis on its own before it's serious, You must be a heavy drinker or heavily medicated to develop chronic hepatitis, Syphilis is less virulent today, most untreated people don't develop tertiary syphilis, (geral paresis, gummas, syphilis cardiovascular disease and syphilis ocular are almost inexistent) if you have syphilis and diabete, you are more likely to die of diabete complications. HIV is not a concern for straight men and Gonorrhea is painful but won't kill you, gonorhea can also clear on its own. I know I don't act like most std doctors, that's why I am special, I don't like to use fear tactic because I don't care about pharmaceutical business, I just care about my business, I only want returning clients. Human immune evolved and became resitant to stds. Gonorrhea could kill you in the past, today even if you don't treat gonorrhea, it won't kill you. The most dangerous virulent diseases today are tuberculosis, influenza / pneumonia and pneumococcal pneumonia.

Roaming Rob 1

05-09-19, 11:47

It's just a number, To me, chlamydia, hiv and syphilis can't be transmitted orally. Many dermatologists agree with me. As I said, HIV is not quoted separately because people don't want to descriminate MSM, Even syphilis is not quoted separately. Drug free straight men don't need to get tested for hiv. Act means many things, It depends. To me, per act means per intercourse. I don't agree with syphilis and hiv statistics. Anyway STDs are not dangerous unlike modern diseases (heart disease, stroke, alzheimer, cancer diabete). Herpes is often asymptomatic, immune system clear HPV within 6 months or 1 year, Chlamydia is often asymptomatic in men and can go away on its own, Immune system clear acute Hepatitis on its own before it's serious, You must be a heavy drinker or heavily medicated to develop chronic hepatitis, Syphilis is less virulent today, most untreated people don't develop tertiary syphilis, (geral paresis, gummas, syphilis cardiovascular disease and syphilis ocular are almost inexistent) if you have syphilis and diabete, you are more likely to die of diabete complications. HIV is not a concern for straight men and Gonorrhea is painful but won't kill you, gonorhea can also clear on its own. I know I don't act like most std doctors, that's why I am special, I don't like to use fear tactic because I don't care about pharmaceutical business, I just care about my business, I only want returning clients. Human immune evolved and became resitant to stds. Gonorrhea could kill you in the past, today even if you don't treat gonorrhea, it won't kill you. The most dangerous virulent diseases today are tuberculosis, influenza / pneumonia and pneumococcal pneumonia.I guess I was one of the unlucky ones. Last year after visiting Pattaya two times I contracted Syphilis. Always used a condom for intercourse but had BBBJ multiple times. Not sure if I got it the first trip or the second trip. They were about 9 month apart. Basically the only symptom I had was a low grade fever for several months. First major signs was loss of motor function, pain in joints and blurred vision and a rash located on an area not normally associated with syphilis. Those signs did not show up until about 4 months after returning home after my second trip to Pattaya.

Treatment was 21 day continuous drip of penacilin unfortunately the damage was already done to one of my eyes I am now basically blind in one eye.

MongerForSex

05-09-19, 21:24

I guess I was one of the unlucky ones. Last year after visiting Pattaya two times I contracted Syphilis. Always used a condom for intercourse but had BBBJ multiple times. Not sure if I got it the first trip or the second trip. They were about 9 month apart. Basically the only symptom I had was a low grade fever for several months. First major signs was loss of motor function, pain in joints and blurred vision and a rash located on an area not normally associated with syphilis. Those signs did not show up until about 4 months after returning home after my second trip to Pattaya.

Treatment was 21 day continuous drip of penacilin unfortunately the damage was already done to one of my eyes I am now basically blind in one eye.I feel sorry for your experience, I would like to know what kind of test did you have? How old are you? Did you notice a chancre? Bacterial meningitis can be caused by many bacterial diseases. I am sure you were misdiagnosed. Many diseases can be caused by spirochetes though treponemal tests are not accurate. You meant you contracted Syphilis last year, Tertiary syphilis can't be that fast. I don't know if you posted to scare people or if you were just misdiagnosed by an unskilled doctor. Your symptoms can be caused by many pathologies. Anyway many bacterial diseases can trigger treponemal tests and many bacterial diseases can be cured by penicilin. 21 days is too long for syphilis. So the bacteria you contracted must be more resistant than treponema pallidum. Treponema Pallidum are too weak and can't be resistant to antibiotics unlike many other bacterial diseases. I hope you get better and keep living. Your experience is not easy to live.

Roaming Rob 1

05-09-19, 23:11

I feel sorry for your experience, I would like to know what kind of test did you have? How old are you? Did you notice a chancre? Bacterial meningitis can be caused by many bacterial diseases. I am sure you were misdiagnosed. Many diseases can be caused by spirochetes though treponemal tests are not accurate. You meant you contracted Syphilis last year, Tertiary syphilis can't be that fast. I don't know if you posted to scare people or if you were just misdiagnosed by an unskilled doctor. Your symptoms can be caused by many pathologies. Anyway many bacterial diseases can trigger treponemal tests and many bacterial diseases can be cured by penicilin. 21 days is too long for syphilis. So the bacteria you contracted must be more resistant than treponema pallidum. Treponema Pallidum are too weak and can't be resistant to antibiotics unlike many other bacterial diseases. I hope you get better and keep living. Your experience is not easy to live.I am 49 years old straight man that had visited Thailand 1-2 times a year for about 10 years then stopped coming for about eight years until last year when I visited two times. As many people do I have Herpes so yes I had an outbreak after my last visit so I didn't think anything about the chancre. The other symptoms I experienced after my last visit I just wrote them off as getting older and did not think anything more about it.

I visited the eye Dr for an exam because I noticed my blurry vision was getting worse. He saw that my ocular nerve was severely swollen and sent me to Ophthalmologist who in turn sent me to Neurologist because they thought I had possibly had a stroke or early signs of Multiple Sclerosis. They performed a CAT scan, MRI, lumbar puncture and multiple blood draws. Everything came back negative. I had not been forthcoming with the Dr's about my mongering activities. I consented to be tested for STI / STD's and came back positive for Syphilis. I went to two other Dr's to have second and third opinions. Each time after testing I showed positive for Syphilis.

I was given an injection of Penicillin and and told to come back for another blood test 2-3 weeks later. I still tested positive for syphilis. The Dr told me they have seen an increase recently of some strain of syphilis coming out of SE Asia that was not responding to the normal treatment protocols. It was decided to give me the 21 day continuous drip Penicillin treatment. I have since been tested and all results are negative.

I am not saying I contracted Syphilis on my last visits because I just don't know. What I am saying is I was used condom each and every time for intercourse but did do BBBJ all the years I have visited Thailand. I never performed oral on the ladies. Even though Ocular Syphilis is rare there has been a recent increase in Ocular Syphilis coming out of Asia. The Dr says even though Ocular Syphilis is normally associated with Tiertary Syphilis they have seen others who are are experiencing this occurrence shortly after exposure.

MongerForSex

05-10-19, 05:31

I am 49 years old straight man that had visited Thailand 1-2 times a year for about 10 years then stopped coming for about eight years until last year when I visited two times. As many people do I have Herpes so yes I had an outbreak after my last visit so I didn't think anything about the chancre. The other symptoms I experienced after my last visit I just wrote them off as getting older and did not think anything more about it.

I visited the eye Dr for an exam because I noticed my blurry vision was getting worse. He saw that my ocular nerve was severely swollen and sent me to Ophthalmologist who in turn sent me to Neurologist because they thought I had possibly had a stroke or early signs of Multiple Sclerosis. They performed a CAT scan, MRI, lumbar puncture and multiple blood draws. Everything came back negative. I had not been forthcoming with the Dr's about my mongering activities. I consented to be tested for STI / STD's and came back positive for Syphilis. I went to two other Dr's to have second and third opinions. Each time after testing I showed positive for Syphilis.

I was given an injection of Penicillin and and told to come back for another blood test 2-3 weeks later. I still tested positive for syphilis. The Dr told me they have seen an increase recently of some strain of syphilis coming out of SE Asia that was not responding to the normal treatment protocols. It was decided to give me the 21 day continuous drip Penicillin treatment. I have since been tested and all results are negative.

I am not saying I contracted Syphilis on my last visits because I just don't know. What I am saying is I was used condom each and every time for intercourse but did do BBBJ all the years I have visited Thailand. I never performed oral on the ladies. Even though Ocular Syphilis is rare there has been a recent increase in Ocular Syphilis coming out of Asia. The Dr says even though Ocular Syphilis is normally associated with Tiertary Syphilis they have seen others who are are experiencing this occurrence shortly after exposure.I think you could have another bacterial disease, many meningoencephalitis and some few other spirochetes diseases like syphilis can cause symptoms like stroke. I am dermatovenereoloist from Brazil and ocular syphilis also happens but more often in MSM on hiv medication or on truvada and people using chemsex, it often aftects both eyes. You were unlucky to contract a disease that made you blind in one eye. Syphilis rarely becomes tertiary but if it become, it's very fast, it often happens in people with HIV if not your immune system clears it on its own or the disease stays latent for life. If you have syphilis, the tests don't become negative very quickly after treatment and treponemal tests may stay positive for life even after treatment. Did you have RPR, VDRL, TPHA and FTA-ABS tests? It's a pity it was so long before understanding your symptoms were caused by bacterias. Because we must rule out first bacterias and virus when young people have symptoms like stroke, no matter if you are sexual active or not. Because stroke is more frequent in people over 60. Because when bacterias are suspected, antibiotics are used, no matter what bacterial disease is the cause. Intramuscular injections are directly used for precaution and can cure any bacterial disease, when bacterias are suspected to be the cause of the stroke-like symptoms. If you contracted syphilis from BBBJ , you would notice a chancre on your penis. We will never know what really caused your problem.

Syzygies

05-10-19, 05:35

It's just a number, To me, chlamydia, hiv and syphilis can't be transmitted orally. Many dermatologists agree with me. And many don't I guess.

Since I caught Chlamydia in the eye off a finger, one time, I know how very easily it can be transmitted, so I would not discount the possibility to catch certain STDs from a BBBJ. It maybe statistically quite low, but stating that it cannot be caught, just means you don't have the proof. It is very hard to prove impossibility.

I had Chlamydia after sex with just two girls, one tested negative to Chlamydia and the other (from Grace Coffee shop) gave BBBJ only. So I have to consider the BBBJ was a possible source, even if normally improbable. I am no expert on how quickly the bacteria dies, outside the body, or from saliva. I just allow for possibilities. Maybe she just finished a BBBJ with another guy having Chlamydia a short time earlier. We do know Chlamydia is transmitted quite easily. Web sites do say STDs can be caught from BBBJ. We just know the vast majority of times, it is not that.

MongerForSex

05-10-19, 13:41

And many don't I guess.

Since I caught Chlamydia in the eye off a finger, one time, I know how very easily it can be transmitted, so I would not discount the possibility to catch certain STDs from a BBBJ. It maybe statistically quite low, but stating that it cannot be caught, just means you don't have the proof. It is very hard to prove impossibility.

I had Chlamydia after sex with just two girls, one tested negative to Chlamydia and the other (from Grace Coffee shop) gave BBBJ only. So I have to consider the BBBJ was a possible source, even if normally improbable. I am no expert on how quickly the bacteria dies, outside the body, or from saliva. I just allow for possibilities. Maybe she just finished a BBBJ with another guy having Chlamydia a short time earlier. We do know Chlamydia is transmitted quite easily. Web sites do say STDs can be caught from BBBJ. We just know the vast majority of times, it is not that.You did not contract chlamydia from the girl you had sex with, Trachoma is the bacterial disease that causes more blind people worldwide, that bacteria infect the eyes easily. You can contract it without having sex. Trachoma affecting eyes is not sexual disease but it's caused by the same bacteria. Most websites are inaccurate. I have been studying infectious diseases for many years and I know what I am talking about. I have a basic knowledge of non virulent diseases (immune diseases cancer etc) but I focus more on virulent diseases. Oral area is not a good place for chlamydia. Bacterial diseases are complicated to understand. For example, Tuberculosis only kills you in the first years after the exposure but if it doesn't, it remains latent for life. 2 billions people have untreated tuberculosis in the world. Most of them don't die of it. Tuberculosis is one of the most difficult bacterial diseases to treat. Tuberculosis is one of the most dangerous and kill more people than any std. People can also be blind because of tuberculosis. Meningoencephalitis caused by extrapulmonary tuberculosis is the most dangerous, because you are more likely to die unlike other bacterial meningoencephalitis. Extrapulmonary tuberculosis happens in 25 per cent of people with active tuberculosis.

Syzygies

05-11-19, 03:38

You did not contract chlamydia from the girl you had sex with, Trachoma is the bacterial disease that causes more blind people worldwide, that bacteria infect the eyes easily. You can contract it without having sex. Trachoma affecting eyes is not sexual disease but it's caused by the same bacteria. Most websites are inaccurate. I have been studying infectious diseases for many years and I know what I am talking about. I have a basic knowledge of non virulent diseases (immune diseases cancer etc) but I focus more on virulent diseases. Oral area is not a good place for chlamydia. "Same bacteria" sounds a bit silly. They must be different, if they infect different areas and are caught in different ways. Have to be different strains. I fear you are trying to dumb it down a bit too much, which can give the wrong impression.

However useful to learn there are different strains of Chlamydia, and that I did not catch it from finger in pussy after all, possibly. I was certainly told I had Chlamydia pink eye after lab tests (not in Thailand). Eye problem was first caught just when leaving Thailand. If was supposed to be called Trachoma, why would the eye hospital call it Chlamydia? Dumbing it down would lead to confusion? First eye specialist treated me for Conjuctivitus with Chloromycetin which was not working at all. So no test occurred at that time. Hence I always believe getting tests done is important. So can Trachoma be caught from a pussy or not? Not quite clear on that. Can it get to the eye by finger rubbing the eye? Seems the simplest way to get there.

This confusion caused me to get genital STD tests many years later when having a pink eye problem again, that was not responding to initial treatment. i.e. I was fearing a possible Chlamydia infection. If we are told you can get Chlamydia in the eye, why would we think it was a different disease to the STD and a different bacterium?

In Thailand the situation is somewhat worse. Thais go to a GP, who diagnoses something and gives them several packets of different pills. The doctor tells them little about their condition (which could even be wrong diagnosis) and does not tell them what the pills are. I at least insisted to know what medication I was proposed to take.

You have Thais catching a bad cold or maybe a flu virus and then going to the hospital for very expensive flu shots, useless I am sure if they already caught those particular flu strains. Also the price should be way lower. Why waste several thousand Baht. Thais also think medication from the doctor can cure a cold or flu virus. "Yaa Gae Wat" is the Thai expression for medicine to cure a cold. Ha ha. Personally I don't bother to see a doctor for a cold. I know he can't help me.

MongerForSex

05-11-19, 06:54

"Same bacteria" sounds a bit silly. They must be different, if they infect different areas and are caught in different ways. Have to be different strains. I fear you are trying to dumb it down a bit too much, which can give the wrong impression.

However useful to learn there are different strains of Chlamydia, and that I did not catch it from finger in pussy after all, possibly. I was certainly told I had Chlamydia pink eye after lab tests (not in Thailand). Eye problem was first caught just when leaving Thailand. If was supposed to be called Trachoma, why would the eye hospital call it Chlamydia? Dumbing it down would lead to confusion? First eye specialist treated me for Conjuctivitus with Chloromycetin which was not working at all. So no test occurred at that time. Hence I always believe getting tests done is important. So can Trachoma be caught from a pussy or not? Not quite clear on that. Can it get to the eye by finger rubbing the eye? Seems the simplest way to get there.

This confusion caused me to get genital STD tests many years later when having a pink eye problem again, that was not responding to initial treatment. i.e. I was fearing a possible Chlamydia infection. If we are told you can get Chlamydia in the eye, why would we think it was a different disease to the STD and a different bacterium?

In Thailand the situation is somewhat worse. Thais go to a GP, who diagnoses something and gives them several packets of different pills. The doctor tells them little about their condition (which could even be wrong diagnosis) and does not tell them what the pills are. I at least insisted to know what medication I was proposed to take.

You have Thais catching a bad cold or maybe a flu virus and then going to the hospital for very expensive flu shots, useless I am sure if they already caught those particular flu strains. Also the price should be way lower. Why waste several thousand Baht. Thais also think medication from the doctor can cure a cold or flu virus. "Yaa Gae Wat" is the Thai expression for medicine to cure a cold. Ha ha. Personally I don't bother to see a doctor for a cold. I know he can't help me.Trachoma is also chlamydia, but the name is different because it affect a different area, trachoma is caused by the same bacteria that causes chlamydia trachomatis.

You went to a developping country, trachoma is common in developping countries. Trachoma is the infectious disease causing the most eye problems followed by river blindness. Washing your hands and face with clean water is the only way to prevent it. Children also catch trachoma, they don"t have sex.

Most doctors don't like to sound stupid although they are stupid. They don't tell about their condition because they don't know what to say. As a specialist, I also studied the cause of the disease because it's my field. I will give you an example. Eye specialist will know your eye was infected by a bacterial disease but he won't know the cause and what kind of bacteria is the cause because his field only focus on eyes. Even neurologists or many other doctors don't know about infectious diseases. Medicine is vast. If you have a cold, better not to take a pill, I don't know why doctors keep giving inecessary pills to their patient, because it's bad for their body. Antibiotics are good when the disease is active but taking unecessary antibiotics can lead to drug resistance in the future, when you contract an active bacterial disease. If you have symptoms, go and see a doctor, without symptom, better not to see a doctor. When you see a doctor when you have symptoms, better to seek different opinions. I don't beleive in preventive measures, because it does more harm than good. If you have latent tuberculosis, better not to take antibiotics, but if you have active tuberculosis, you take antibiotics because you are less likely to develop drug resistance. Taking many antibiotics for preventive measures may cause drug resistance in the future.

Syzygies

05-12-19, 06:27

Trachoma is also chlamydia, but the name is different because it affect a different area, trachoma is caused by the same bacteria that causes chlamydia trachomatis.

You went to a developping country, trachoma is common in developping countries. Trachoma is the infectious disease causing the most eye problems followed by river blindness. Washing your hands and face with clean water is the only way to prevent it. Children also catch trachoma, they don"t have sex.

I don't beleive in preventive measures, because it does more harm than good. If you have latent tuberculosis, better not to take antibiotics, but if you have active tuberculosis, you take antibiotics because you are less likely to develop drug resistance. Taking many antibiotics for preventive measures may cause drug resistance in the future.Same same but different. To a technical person it has to be a different strain even if is being given same generic name, otherwise just does not make any sense.

I did learn eventually how much lots of antibiotics (originally for acne treatment) stuffed my gut, and changed me from a skinny person to one who gains weight easily. I now really try hard to avoid antibiotics unless absolutely necessary. So last minor gut problem did not take them and I would not be taking them for a cold any more.

Any course of antibiotics was usually followed by rapid weight gain in recent years.

I am reasonably convinced now that a very healthy diet, particularly cutting out sugars in food (possibly low dairy too), would have likely been a better treatment for acne. At age 17 it did clear up miraculously for a couple of months while overseas, which clearly caused a big change in what food and drink I was consuming.

I have never been interested to take flu shots. I am aware of friend of the family who died of "heart attack" immediately after a flu shot or vaccination for something. Maybe not coincidence. Forgot the detail now. I really believe many chronic diseases can be caused or contributed to by bad diets, chemicals, and even medications taken in the past.

I have a certain allergy now which I suspect was caused by a past medication (but can't be certain).

There are so many things that the medical field does not really know yet. The huge debate about Statins, as example, and their side effects. I try to maintain very good low carbs diet now to avoid heart disease.

Yes only take the very necessary medications, and be sure they are beneficial rather than harmful.

I don't really know if Glucosamine is really safe to kept taking, but I get a bad knee problem if I don't, from past experience. If I take it, the knee issues go away.

MongerForSex

05-14-19, 07:42

Same same but different. To a technical person it has to be a different strain even if is being given same generic name, otherwise just does not make any sense.

I did learn eventually how much lots of antibiotics (originally for acne treatment) stuffed my gut, and changed me from a skinny person to one who gains weight easily. I now really try hard to avoid antibiotics unless absolutely necessary. So last minor gut problem did not take them and I would not be taking them for a cold any more.

Any course of antibiotics was usually followed by rapid weight gain in recent years.

I am reasonably convinced now that a very healthy diet, particularly cutting out sugars in food (possibly low dairy too), would have likely been a better treatment for acne. At age 17 it did clear up miraculously for a couple of months while overseas, which clearly caused a big change in what food and drink I was consuming.

I have never been interested to take flu shots. I am aware of friend of the family who died of "heart attack" immediately after a flu shot or vaccination for something. Maybe not coincidence. Forgot the detail now. I really believe many chronic diseases can be caused or contributed to by bad diets, chemicals, and even medications taken in the past.

I have a certain allergy now which I suspect was caused by a past medication (but can't be certain).

There are so many things that the medical field does not really know yet. The huge debate about Statins, as example, and their side effects. I try to maintain very good low carbs diet now to avoid heart disease.

Yes only take the very necessary medications, and be sure they are beneficial rather than harmful.

I don't really know if Glucosamine is really safe to kept taking, but I get a bad knee problem if I don't, from past experience. If I take it, the knee issues go away.I did not say medicine is bad, medicine is good when it is well used. Antibiotics saved my life, I suffered from severe tuberculosis and also developed tuberculosis ulcer on my thorax when I was 12 years old, the treatment was heavy, some bacterias are more difficult than other bacterias to kill. Those bacterias are from non sexual diseases and are more contagious. For example, gonorrhea was treated with penicilin many decades ago. Today, it's impossible to treat gonorrhea with penicillin. Gonorrhea is easily cured with the right antibiotic, the treatment is not heavy. Many antibiotics don't work for gonorrhea.

Fortunately, I come from an upper class family in Brazil because public hospitals suck in Brazil. I decided to study medicine because of tuberculosis. I studied venereology and dermatopathology. I focus on infectious diseases (virus, bacteria, parasite).

Many diseases are caused by Chlamydia trachomatis infect different areas. (non-gonococcal urethritis, trachoma, lymphogranuloma venereum etc). You can contract trachoma from infected people, those bacterias live in the mouth, throat and eye or you can also contract from unclean objects (towel, bathrobe and washcloth).

For example, syphilis is caused by treponema pallidum but other diseases are also caused by treponema pallidum (yaws, bejel, pinta). You contract pinta from death animals or direct contact with infected people with present lesions on the skin (tropical disease, you contract yaws from direct contract (tropical disease), you contract endermic syphilis (Bejel) from mouth contact. You contract syphilis from sexual intercourses (vaginal and anal). CDC states syphilis can be contracted from oral sex but there is no proof because most people having oral sex also have vaginal or anal sex. Syphilis is complicated like HIV because Many scientists don't agree each other. General paresis of the insane is believed to be another non virulent diseases. General paresis can't be cured and the progression of the disease can't be stopped by penicillin either. Tubes dorsalis can't be stopped either. They say these diseases develop from 30 to 50 years later, it's inexistent today. Treponema can't be cultured (general paresis and tubes dorsalis). Many bacterial meningitis can be cured by penicillin and bacterial meningitis may also cause blindness and brain problems.

Statin is useless, people keep dying of heart disease (the first cause of death in the world). There is no proof cholosterol causes heart disease or stroke. I don't believe in bad and good cholosterol. Many doctors don't believe either.

MongerForSex

05-14-19, 10:26

I have a certain allergy now which I suspect was caused by a past medication (but can't be certain).

https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death

Cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death and kill way more people than any disease and statin did not change anyting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsISdNl2tWo

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/study-says-theres-no-link-between-cholesterol-and-heart-disease/

Studies are useless, because most scientists don't know the real cause, they just use hypothesis for all diseases, they always beat about the Bush, they never agree each other. Always blablabla.

Syzygies

05-14-19, 10:57

Statin is useless, people keep dying of heart disease (the first cause of death in the world). There is no proof cholosterol causes heart disease or stroke. I don't believe in bad and good cholosterol. Many doctors don't believe either.I agree with you here, that that there is no sound scientific stuff that all can agree on. Statins are not proved to save lives of guys over 50 last I read. Cholesterol is a harmless substance. Its a misnomer. Oxidised Low Density Lipoproteins technically are not Cholesterol at all, but seem to be known as bad cholesterol.

Doctors don't even test for Oxidised Low Density Lipoproteins, that I know of. The do more general "cholesterol" tests. I don't give a shit what my general Cholesterol levels are. The body self regulates it. Makes its own cholesterol.

I believe the whole low-fat diet idea was totally stupid. Sugars are so easily digested and converted to body fat. Also the simple starches like potato and rice. Eating fat is actually less fattening. The body has to do far more work to digest fat. I never worry about my fat intake other than I don't order anything deep fried normally, since we don't know what oils they cooked it in. So less cooking oil is better in case we get bad ones, or even oxidised oils, too much Omega 6, trans fats etc. The advantage of saturated fats, once maligned, is that they don't oxidise. Polyunsaturates do oxidise and go off easily. Is the answer taking anti-oxidants? Better not to consume oxidisable oils. Rather than take Omega 3s to balance the Omega 6 load, better to reduce the Omega 6 load. Don't use oils with significant Omega 6 levels.

Much more easy to be healthy by cooking my own food, and having farm fresh produce no pesticides sprayed, still can be toxins in soil. I can choose a sensible cooking oil, and stay away from simple carbs, hence my weight is reducing on the farm.

In the end I think it is possible for all to be much healthier by not eating chemicals, the wrong food, stuff in foil packets, and crap food. I aim to keep my sugar intake very low, from all sources. Also generally don't eat rice, rice noodles, potato and very low bread.

Syzygies

05-14-19, 12:00

https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death

Cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death and kill way more people than any disease and statin did not change anyting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsISdNl2tWo

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/study-says-theres-no-link-between-cholesterol-and-heart-disease/

Studies are useless, because most scientists don't know the real cause, they just use hypothesis for all diseases, they always beat about the Bush, they never agree each other. Always blablabla.https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cardiovascular-disease-death-rates-by-age this does show some decline in death rates for cardiovascular disease, however the decline is quite minimal allowing for better levels of care and medicine advancement. Means people are to some extent dying ,more from other causes, possibly cancers increasing.

I like this one:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-risk-factor-50-69years

Shows I am not exposed to a great deal of risk factors, work hard to keep my weight in control, my worst risk factor is low physical activity which I knew needed working on. Unsafe sex is not rated that high for a risk factor.

Everyone has got to die of something. We all got to go sooner or later is a very Thai way of thinking, therefore do risky things, no problem.

MongerForSex

05-14-19, 17:25

Same same but different. To a technical person it has to be a different strain even if is being given same generic name, otherwise just does not make any sense.I can't explain you, maybe my english is not good enough for medical explanation. Trachoma is caused by the same bacteria but it's caused by another subtype of chlamydia trachomatis. For example borrelia burgdorferi causing lyme disease is the same type of bacteria (spirochetes) as treponema pallidum causing treponematoses, Treponema denticola and other treponema bacterias causing gum disease etc. There are some bacterias (types of bacterias) but many subtypes of bacterias and they all infecte people in a different way.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/trachoma/symptoms-causes/syc-20378505

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/trachoma/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20378509

You believed you contracted chlamydia from putting your finger into a pussy. Fearmongering really works.

Don't worry about safe sex because they can't calculate, because the biggest std killing the most people are AIDS and Hepatitis. Aids killed 950 000 people in 2017 , many of them did not contract it from sex, most of them are in Africa and only 25000 people died of hepatitis, many of them did not contract it from sex. I don't know how they calculate (people died because of unsafe sex.). Maybe they also calculated vaginal, anal, oral and penile cancer caused by hpv. We will all die someday. most things are not understood, if you try to be saved from heart disease, a worse disease will kill you ( cancer).

Hack351

05-24-19, 06:36

BrazilRio

05-25-19, 07:30

FL Hawk

05-26-19, 14:03

Syzygies

05-26-19, 14:48

MongerForSex

05-26-19, 21:56

A few trips ago I came back with both chlamydia and gonorrhea and I am sure I got something again, the pain is starting and there is discharge. I have already stopped all activities. I don't care about the shot in the ass or the 2 horse pills they give you but I don't want to be judged by my primary care Dr in the states. Is there something I could buy at a pharmacy or a clinic I can go to? I'm in Pattaya Beach now.Before taking any antibiotic or medication, go and see a health professional. You better see a urologist. Avoid drug resistance (overuse and unecessary use). What is the color of your discharge? But anyway go and see a urologist, staff working at the pharmacy won't help you because guess is useless. Only a good specialist can tell you your problem. Don't make the same mistake as some members. (SEEKING TREATMENT WITHOUT BEING CHECKED BY A GOOD AND SKILLED SPECIALIST). As a dermatovenereologist living in Brazil, I don't judge my patients because I don't care about how they live and their lifestyle. Many professionals won't judge you because it's not professional.

AussieDoug

05-27-19, 18:06

PedroMorales

05-27-19, 18:18

A few trips ago I came back with both chlamydia and gonorrhea and I am sure I got something again, the pain is starting and there is discharge. I have already stopped all activities. I don't care about the shot in the ass or the 2 horse pills they give you but I don't want to be judged by my primary care Dr in the states. Is there something I could buy at a pharmacy or a clinic I can go to? I'm in Pattaya Beach now.You are in arguably the hooker capital of the world, you seem to have STIs and you are asking what to do. You sound like an entry in a teen's agony column newspaper. Go to Pattaya's best hospital or Bumrungrad in Bkk. That is your first port of call. Deal with the problem now an the maybe deal with it later in the USA too, after you get sound medical advice in a Thai medical centre.

Alternatively, you can do what the women do. Wave a chicken over your head, so a wai to a bunch of flowers and spread your disease far and wide.

Globalnomad5

05-28-19, 03:05

Goatscrot

05-28-19, 07:49

I keep reading that there is a real risk of catching herpes or warts even in fully protected vaginal sex.

I can see how it can happen theoretically, via skin-to-skin contact. But how high is the risk really, in the absence of visible sores?Yes, the inoculation point can be almost any point of contact in the area, not just on your pecker. Warts can appear on your taint, ass, and pelvis and herps the same. If you monger enough, chances are you are going to contract one or both and condoms are not going to protect you. The vast majority of long term mongers I know have one or both. The only true fire method is to have one partner that you know and trust. If you engage in P4 P, it's just a part of the game. If you are not willing to take that risk, then I might suggest another hobby.

MongerForSex

05-28-19, 08:22

I keep reading that there is a real risk of catching herpes or warts even in fully protected vaginal sex.

I can see how it can happen theoretically, via skin-to-skin contact. But how high is the risk really, in the absence of visible sores?HSV and HPV are not really dangerous if your immune system is good, you won't develop warts or outbreak of herpes. Almost everybody has HSV, If you have HSV1, you are immune to HSV2. Every sexual active person catch hpv in their life, hpv goes away on its own within 6 months - 2 years. You can also catch hpv causing warts in other parts of your body without sex. There are over 100 types of hpv. 14 are cancer causing. (cervical, oral, anal, vagina and penile cancer).

DzikaBomba

05-30-19, 18:08

Does someone know if Bifonazole is available in Pharmacies in Thailand?

LivingFossil

05-30-19, 23:18

Yes, the inoculation point can be almost any point of contact in the area, not just on your pecker. Warts can appear on your taint, ass, and pelvis and herps the same. If you monger enough, chances are you are going to contract one or both and condoms are not going to protect you. The vast majority of long term mongers I know have one or both. The only true fire method is to have one partner that you know and trust. If you engage in P4 P, it's just a part of the game. If you are not willing to take that risk, then I might suggest another hobby.Sometimes I think I want to monger for life. But there is no cure for herpes, if you ever want to settle down with someone you got to tell them they'll get it too. Heavy stuff.

I never DATY or have BBBJ, no disrespect to those who do.

I want to smash all these girls but want to settle down one day STD free. So conflicted!

Catire

05-31-19, 03:10

HSV and HPV are not really dangerous if your immune system is good, you won't develop warts or outbreak of herpes. Almost everybody has HSV, If you have HSV1, you are immune to HSV2. THIS IS STUNNINGLY INCORRECT.

HSV1 is so called oral herpes, and yes most people have it.

Having it does not make you immune to catching HSV2 , aka genital herpes. And it doesn't matter how good your immune system is if you come into contact with viral outbreak of HSV / genital, you will catch it and you will have an outbreak.

Google is your friend, you know.

https://www.hopkinsallchildrens.org/Patients-Families/Health-Library/HealthDocNew/Is-It-Possible-to-Develop-an-Immunity-to-Genital-H

Travv

05-31-19, 04:46

Repost of article on how to prevent infection by herpes and bacteria. Chemical and Engineering review study of personal lubricants - 9 times lower risk of infection using coconut oil as lubricant.

Studies raise questions about safety of personal lubricants. Some experiments find cell damage and increased risk of sexually transmitted infections.

"Although most people will list only K-why Jelly when asked to recall the names of personal lubricants, hundreds of the products are being used for sex across the globe. These sex aids are designed to make things easier. So it's a little unsettling that experiments carried out in recent years have indicated that some of the products might be smoothing the way for disease transmission.

Used to reduce friction and increase pleasure during intercourse, lubricants are about a $219 million market in the USA Alone, according to the Chicago-based market research firm SymphonyIRI Group.

For instance, K-why Warming Jelly, which has an osmolality more than 30 times the body's own fluid, increased herpes transmission more than ninefold compared with rodents not administered lubricant (BMC Infect. Dis. , DOI: 10.1186/1471-2334-10-331).

http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i50/S...sonal.html2012

Commenter Michael: "These studies suggest that perhaps light, vegetable based oils, typically shunned because they are not water soluble like natural body fluids, may be a better base for formulating personal lubricants. " I. E. Antibacteriological and antiviral oil like Coconut oil for lubrication. . . That do not damage skin and increase herpes transmission, unlike K-why Jelly.

In a nutshell, herpes viruses have a lipid (fatty) skin - " Regarding the natural treatment of herpes infection, we can take advantage of the characteristics of the virus to impact its tendency to erupt. Since the virus is essentially a piece of DNA surrounded by a fatty layer, if we target this aspect we can largely "disable" the virus. Luckily, we have two substances which are known to target this tendency of the virus. . . (#2 coconut oil). https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/ask-the-doctor/herpes/.