Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Franga]

I'd really appreciate some help on what to do.Probably the only issue is whether you have picked up a bacterial infection in your urethra. If you rapidly develop a pus discharge (like overnight) then suspect gonorrhea. If no discharge then other strains may manifest themselves after 2 days or more, with a burning when peeing sensation after 4 days.

You should be right for herpes as you washed up straight after the event. For HIV it is also highly unlikely.

Make sure your condom is fully lubed up at all times, and reapply during the session if necessary. I now use the Sagami Large condom, 69 baht each, which are made of polyurethane and seem pretty strong, even though they are fairly thin.

[GuySexLife]

Probably the only issue is whether you have picked up a bacterial infection in your urethra. If you rapidly develop a pus discharge (like overnight) then suspect gonorrhea. If no discharge then other strains may manifest themselves after 2 days or more, with a burning when peeing sensation after 4 days.

You should be right for herpes as you washed up straight after the event. For HIV it is also highly unlikely.

Make sure your condom is fully lubed up at all times, and reapply during the session if necessary. I now use the Sagami Large condom, 69 baht each, which are made of polyurethane and seem pretty strong, even though they are fairly thin.Washing doesn't prevent herpes where did you find that info? You forgot to mention syphilis. Syphilitic ulcer can appear 3 days to 90 days after exposure even more in some cases, unprotected oral sex is high risk for syphilis. HIV is also likely in Thailand. HPV warts can appear months even years after exposure. Condoms only lower the risk but don't protect completely.

[Bad Duck]

Probably the only issue is whether you have picked up a bacterial infection in your urethra. If you rapidly develop a pus discharge (like overnight) then suspect gonorrhea. If no discharge then other strains may manifest themselves after 2 days or more, with a burning when peeing sensation after 4 days.

You should be right for herpes as you washed up straight after the event. For HIV it is also highly unlikely.

Make sure your condom is fully lubed up at all times, and reapply during the session if necessary. I now use the Sagami Large condom, 69 baht each, which are made of polyurethane and seem pretty strong, even though they are fairly thin.[CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) seemed OK in the morning. I'll keep an eye on it. Thinking of going to Pulse Clinic to get some PEP.

[MongerForSex]

Visited Snow White In Bangkok today. Met a plump Thai girl called "yarakat" or something that sounds like that. She did the usual. Massage and playing around. She was quite mechanical if you ask me but I wasn't complaining. She put on the condom. Rode me. She got tired and I decided to do doggy. While in the doggy, I slipped out. The condom was ok. Then I don't know if I entered her vagina or anus. It just went in. Came in 2 minutes. Pulled out and saw that the condom had broken.

Totally freaked out. Washed up. Peed whatever I could.

Didn't SW have an HIV scare? Substandard condoms.

I'm trying to keep calm. But I know I'm stressing out too.

I'the really appreciate some help on what to do.I am sure you won't be positive for hiv. The only shit you may get is gonorrhea, chlamydia, hsv and hpv. Less likely syphilis. Stop stressing out and keep fucking girls. Don't ruin your vacation for small details. If you find no symptom in your dick after three weeks. That means you have no STD except for HPV. Because HPV can develop months later. Put hiv behind you. Many men had the same experience as you.

[Ioneto]

If the skin of your penis showed no laceration it is practically impossible to hang AIDS, which needs contact with your blood. Worried instead of venereal diseases such as hepatitis.

[Turgid]

Ah, you think a "wise" monger would try to hold a tiny square of flimsy rubber in place (on all four corners) while trying to perform oral sex on a dripping snatch, so that you can see nothing and feel nothing? That's your opinion? What would even be the point of doing it? I don't think your mathematical equation is very imaginative or thought provoking. IMO, it would be wiser, if you wanted to use a prophylactic for that situation. To use a wide, thin, strong and transparent plastic wrap vs. A dental dam.A wise monger would not use a tiny square but a bigger square. Easier to hold in place and suck to your hearts delight.

[Mombie75]

Visited Snow White In Bangkok today. Met a plump Thai girl called "yarakat" or something that sounds like that. She did the usual. Massage and playing around. She was quite mechanical if you ask me but I wasn't complaining. She put on the condom. Rode me. She got tired and I decided to do doggy. While in the doggy, I slipped out. The condom was ok. Then I don't know if I entered her vagina or anus. It just went in. Came in 2 minutes. Pulled out and saw that the condom had broken.

Totally freaked out. Washed up. Peed whatever I could.

Didn't SW have an HIV scare? Substandard condoms.

I'm trying to keep calm. But I know I'm stressing out too.

I'the really appreciate some help on what to do.Unprotected vaginal sex as a man penetrating a woman who is HIV+ would statistically put you at a transmission risk of 0.67% per episode.

Your risk from your description is negligable.

I would not be worried in your described case unless you had an open wound on your penis or you came into contact with blood, both scenarios sound very unlikely.

[Franga]

Washing doesn't prevent herpes where did you find that info?
This is based on my experience only. The 2 times that I have picked up herpes was when I did not wash my cock off with soap and water. Now I religiously wash off after the event. Surely the soap kills the herpes virus that may exist on the skin. That is my opinion.

[Chinatown Guy]

A wise monger would not use a tiny square but a bigger square. Easier to hold in place and suck to your hearts delight.A bigger square of dental dam? I've seen many dental dams and I've never seen nor aware of any larger than 15 cm X 15 cm. Do what you like, but I just don't understand how you could get any pleasure out of using something that resembles a small square of tire inner tube? What would be the point of it? I don't know why you are so stuck on a dental dam? Do you not see the greater pleasure you could have from my idea with the larger size so you don't have to worry about the rubber sheet sliding away, much thinner material for greater feeling, great visibility as it is clear rather than opaque and you might even feel something brother!

[MongerForSex]

Washing doesn't prevent herpes where did you find that info? You forgot to mention syphilis. Syphilitic ulcer can appear 3 days to 90 days after exposure even more in some cases, unprotected oral sex is high risk for syphilis. HIV is also likely in Thailand. HPV warts can appear months even years after exposure. Condoms only lower the risk but don't protect completely.I don't agree with what you say. 90 days is too much for syphilitic ulcer to appear. I have never seen any chancre developping 90 days after exposure. The maximum incubation is three weeks. The only STD causing genital ulcers that develop months later is granuloma inguinale. That std is rare. Oral sex is low risk for STDs. HSV 2 and hpv may be prevented. Good immune prevents outbreaks. Recurrent outbreaks are less severe. Most people with symptomatic hsv only develop one outbreak in their life. Hsv blood test is not accurate. Culture for hsv is the only way to be sure you have hsv. Most people can live normally with hsv. I don't worry about hiv. Do a favor for yourself. Stop googling STDs.

[Turgid]

............Do you not see the greater pleasure you could have from my idea with the larger size so you don't have to worry about the rubber sheet sliding away, much thinner material for greater feeling, great visibility as it is clear rather than opaque and you might even feel something brother!I'm not knocking your idea but be careful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2v7jlIBL1A

[Chinatown Guy]

I'm not knocking your idea but be careful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2v7jlIBL1AOMG! That is too funny! Thanks. Maybe I didn't explain my method clearly enough! LOL. No, I'm not promoting Erotic Asphyxiation! In all seriousness, I've never tried the method but thought it had merit. I've always used a condom, down under, but for some reason, I have tended to be cavalier when it comes to eating at the why even though I know it's risky with a SW. But, you've got me thinking.

[Bad Duck]

Unprotected vaginal sex as a man penetrating a woman who is HIV+ would statistically put you at a transmission risk of 0.67% per episode.

Your risk from your description is negligable.

I would not be worried in your described case unless you had an open wound on your penis or you came into contact with blood, both scenarios sound very unlikely.No laceration on the penis. I remember cumming in her so I freaked out. Did a rapidHIV test to check out the baseline and it was clear so the only scare is what happened that day.

Doctor prescribed me PEP. That's ongoing.

It's been nearly 48 hours now and no burning sensation when I [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134). I keep looking for any signs of STIs but maybe it's too early?

I'm also assuming girls at massage parlours like Snow White get screened and tested? I remember asking her if she's OK, she said "I OK" and then she said that she gets tested once a month. But I've learned never to believe people at face value.

Trying to educate myself on other STIs but can't think of what I should be looking for. I'm.

Not sure which antibiotics to get started on.

Should I be taking something to stop any potential STI from developing?

[Syzygies]

Substandard condoms.
The biggest worry when condom breaks if come inside pussy, is actually if girl could get pregnant. Ha ha. Otherwise don't worry so much.

Other guys are claiming to have barebacked so many girls for years and caught nothing. Yet other guys caught Gonorriah or Chlamydia very first on first week in Thailand.
So not sure who to believe. Ha ha. Can it just be luck?

Really experienced guys should know it has started to feel too good and condom might be damaged. Can always pull out and check.

Condom breakage is most common due to a sharp fingernail or abrasion, from insufficient lube or girl has a rough surface sponge inside pussy etc. Not many condoms are truly substandard, in my belief.

Have you ever seen condoms blown up holding a fair bit of water. They are reasonably strong stretchy but there are limits.

The so called dental dams are ludicrous in my view. I have licked hundreds of pussies with no problems. Never kept count. I don't think one's mouth is such a risky area to catch an STD.

[Syzygies]

I don't agree with what you say. 90 days is too much for syphilitic ulcer to appear. I have never seen any chancre developping 90 days after exposure. The maximum incubation is three weeks. The only STD causing genital ulcers that develop months later is granuloma inguinale. That std is rare. Oral sex is low risk for STDs. HSV 2 and hpv may be prevented. Good immune prevents outbreaks. Recurrent outbreaks are less severe. Most people with symptomatic hsv only develop one outbreak in their life. Hsv blood test is not accurate. Culture for hsv is the only way to be sure you have hsv. Most people can live normally with hsv. I don't worry about hiv. Do a favor for yourself. Stop googling STDs.A question if I may. I used to fuck a girl BB every week. She claimed to have a herpes sore flair up on occasions, it was not on or in her pussy, but on her ass not that far away, maybe a few centimetres from her pussy. I saw it. It did not look as bad as a typical cold sore type thing, but I don't have expertise to know. I fucked her quite unconcerned about it. Never got such thing myself, nor a cold sore, to my knowledge, unless had a very atypical one.

So the question is, is a HSV2 lesion possible on the ass a few centimetres away from the pussy? Is it likely that she misunderstood what it really was? Would there be a danger of spreading something? It was a bit scaley like, light coloured and not large, close in appearance to a senile wart in my view, but not long term enough to be that. I don't know if she had the tell tale tingling (for cold sores) before it appeared.

[Franga]

So the question is, is a HSV2 lesion possible on the ass a few centimetres away from the pussy?Yes, I think it is possible. I think it is called shingles though.

I myself have had a classic herpes rash develop on the back of my leg at times. It is pretty nasty when it appears, and it always manifests itself in the same location. I hit it with a dose of oral acyclovir pills to kill its metabolism over the course of several days, plus acyclovir ointment. Usually totally cleared up in 7 days.

[Syzygies]

Yes, I think it is possible. I think it is called shingles though.

I myself have had a classic herpes rash develop on the back of my leg at times. It is pretty nasty when it appears, and it always manifests itself in the same location. I hit it with a dose of oral acyclovir pills to kill its metabolism over the course of several days, plus acyclovir ointment. Usually totally cleared up in 7 days.Technically Shingles is not from HSV2 (Herpes Simplex Virus).

Shingles is from Herpes Zoster (as far as I recall without researching it all again), and I thought it was usually a fairly wide spread rash, based on my brother having Shingles once around waist area and I got a look at it, supposedly an aftermath of a previous Chicken Pox if I remember right.

However the info could still be useful if occasional small lesion outbreaks of Shingles are possible. I had thought that Shingles was usually a one off large area blister rash type thing, but my experience is very limited naturally having only ever seen "shingles" once to my knowledge.

I just looked up the web and it quoted Varicella Zoster (same virus as Chicken Pox), so possibly totally unrelated to Herpes. Other links mention Herpes Zoster. Perhaps it has been renamed from Herpes to avoid confusion with what is commonly considered herpes.

So maybe the girl had shingles (one spot), but seemed to reoccur more than once and basically in the same spot each time. So still a bit sceptical if that would be what is likely.

You stated "classic herpes" on back of the leg. So that sounds consistent. Probably not Shingles.

[MongerForSex]

Technically Shingles is not from HSV2 (Herpes Simplex Virus).

Shingles is from Herpes Zoster (as far as I recall without researching it all again), and I thought it was usually a fairly wide spread rash, based on my brother having Shingles once around waist area and I got a look at it, supposedly an aftermath of a previous Chicken Pox if I remember right.

However the info could still be useful if occasional small lesion outbreaks of Shingles are possible. I had thought that Shingles was usually a one off large area blister rash type thing, but my experience is very limited naturally having only ever seen "shingles" once to my knowledge.

I just looked up the web and it quoted Varicella Zoster (same virus as Chicken Pox), so possibly totally unrelated to Herpes. Other links mention Herpes Zoster. Perhaps it has been renamed from Herpes to avoid confusion with what is commonly considered herpes.

So maybe the girl had shingles (one spot), but seemed to reoccur more than once and basically in the same spot each time. So still a bit sceptical if that would be what is likely.

You stated "classic herpes" on back of the leg. So that sounds consistent. Probably not Shingles.It's possible to have hsv lesions on the ass or it may just be pimples. It may be many things or nothing. Even if she had hsv. You could be immune to hsv without knowing it. Many people have hsv without knowing it. Good immune prevents outbreaks. I don't know why so many people are scared of hsv. Hsv is nothing and very easy to live with that. Most people with symptomatic hsv only develop one outbreak in their life time, the first outbreak is the most painful, the reccurrence is less severe. Shingles can recur but rarely recur three times. Immune problem is the cause of reccurrence.

Shingles can also appear on the genital area but it's less common than HSV 2 and HSV 1. Most infected people only get shingles once. The virus causing shingles and chickenpox is not the same as the virus causing cold sores and genital ulcers.

[Amnesia]

Did a rapidHIV test to check out the baseline and it was clear so the only scare is what happened that day.Not sure what you mean "to check out the baseline" but a rapid HIV test that early after an exposure is pretty useless. The earliest you can do a test is ca. 9-11 days after the exposure, and that would be a quite expensive HIV PCR test which tests the actual presence of the virus rather than antibodies. That's also why a PCR test is considered most accurate. If you want peace of mind, go to Bumrungrad two weeks after your exposure and get the test for ca. 4,000 THB. You'll get the result the next day (the anonymous clinic at the Red Cross is cheaper but takes 7 days turnaround time).

Most rapid tests check for the presence of antibodies. Statistically, most people start to develop a detectable amount of antibodies by four to six weeks after an exposure. That's why taking an antibody test before that doesn't provide you a reliable information. Do it 4-6 weeks after and a negative test result can be trusted 95%. The remaining 5% are the people who develop antibodies later than that. That's why doctors typically recommend having a confirmation test at the 3 or even 6 months mark.

4th generation tests also check for antigen in addition to antibodies. Antigens would typically develop earlier than antibodies; therefore, a 4th generation test at four weeks may be considered pretty reliable and more than a 3rd generation antibody-only test. The anonymous clinic at the Red Cross is using a 4th generation test; so are using the major private hospitals. Turnaround time is always within 1-2 hours only, and the cost is from 200 THB (Red Cross) to 1,500 THB (private hospitals).

If you're really panicking, get the PCR test and have peace of mind. But looking at what you shared, it sounds pretty unlikely to almost impossible that you could have gotten an infection. Even doctors will tell you that catching HIV as a male from vaginal sex is unlikely. They'll tell you to worry more about bacterial infections (Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Syphilis, etc.). HIV is a weak virus and many things must go right for it to affect someone. Even if you were unlucky enough to actually meet a girl who is infected, it would depend on her viral load and actual blood contact. Even if you were unlucky enough to actually meet a HIV+ girl whose viral load is high, the chance of getting infected would still be low.


Doctor prescribed me PEP. That's ongoing.Even more unlikely then. Note that PEP might influence test results.

But the only way to be sure is to get tested.


Should I be taking something to stop any potential STI from developing?You're clearly panicking. Taking antibiotics without knowing whether you need them is not a good idea. You might develop resistance. Why don't you go to a hospital and do a you-are-I-and-e PCR test for 7 STIs? It will cost you ca. 7,000 THB at a hospital, and maybe half of it at an STI clinic. You'll get the results after a couple of days and can get the right antibiotics if needed.

Otherwise most people have long taken Azithromyzin as a single 1 g dose (4 x 250 MG) when they noticed discharge from their cock. The alternative regime is Doxycycline 100 MG twice a day for 7 days. I have treated myself this way before when I didn't want to go to a hospital.

However, should the discharge be not clear and fluid, but rather yellowish and thick, it would be more likely Gonorrhea than Chlamydia or one of the other bacterial infections, and for this the recommended treatment these days includes an injection in your ass (so no way around a hospital visit).

If you ask me: Since you seem to be panicking, only a test will give you peace of mind. I went through this panicking before to an extent that I was so stressed that I would develop situational depression including gastrointestinal symptoms that I would then interpret as HIV symptoms. The only way out was to do a proper test to get peace of mind. Do a HIV PCR test, a you-are-I-and-e PCR test, and a syphilis test. If you're not vaccinated against Hepatitis, do that as well. You'll have peace of mind then, and in case of a bacterial infection you can get antibiotics and are fine.

NOTE: Where it says "u-r-i-n-e" I actually wrote about getting checked a sample of your yellow water.

[Bad Duck]

This is pretty insightful and helpful. I'm quite at ease now. Plus I've had some time to stop panicking and think about it. I've evaluated the risk to be rather low right now. I'll continue with PEP and do the full spectrum of tests.

Reading medical shit online is a terrible idea because with the more we read, people tend to get more paranoid.

Thanks for the help man.


Not sure what you mean "to check out the baseline" but a rapid HIV test that early after an exposure is pretty useless. The earliest you can do a test is ca. 9-11 days after the exposure, and that would be a quite expensive HIV PCR test which tests the actual presence of the virus rather than antibodies. That's also why a PCR test is considered most accurate. If you want peace of mind, go to Bumrungrad two weeks after your exposure and get the test for ca. 4,000 THB. You'll get the result the next day (the anonymous clinic at the Red Cross is cheaper but takes 7 days turnaround time).

Most rapid tests check for the presence of antibodies. Statistically, most people start to develop a detectable amount of antibodies by four to six weeks after an exposure. That's why taking an antibody test before that doesn't provide you a reliable information. Do it 4-6 weeks after and a negative test result can be trusted 95%. The remaining 5% are the people who develop antibodies later than that. That's why doctors typically recommend having a confirmation test at the 3 or even 6 months mark.

[MySecretLife]

Not sure what you mean "to check out the baseline" but a rapid HIV test that early after an exposure is pretty useless. The earliest you can do a test is ca. 9-11 days after the exposure, and that would be a quite expensive HIV PCR test which tests the actual presence of the virus rather than antibodies.

Most rapid tests check for the presence of antibodies. Statistically, most people start to develop a detectable amount of antibodies by four to six weeks after an exposure. That's why taking an antibody test before that doesn't provide you a reliable information.

4th generation tests also check for antigen in addition to antibodies. Antigens would typically develop earlier than antibodies; therefore, a 4th generation test at four weeks may be considered pretty reliable and more than a 3rd generation antibody-only test.

If you're really panicking, get the PCR test and have peace of mind.

Otherwise most people have long taken Azithromyzin as a single 1 g dose (4 x 250 MG) when they noticed discharge from their cock. The alternative regime is Doxycycline 100 MG twice a day for 7 days. I have treated myself this way before when I didn't want to go to a hospital.

If you're not vaccinated against Hepatitis, do that as well. You'll have peace of mind then, and in case of a bacterial infection you can get antibiotics and are fine.
Amnesia,

I appreciate you for taking time for composing an elaborated post outlining about Rapid test, PCR test, 4th Gen Antigen test, possible bacterial infection, Azithromicin, Doxycycline and Hepatitis vaccine.

Regards,

MSL.

[Syzygies]

Not sure what you mean "to check out the baseline" but a rapid HIV test that early after an exposure is pretty useless. The earliest you can do a test is ca. 9-11 days after the exposure, and that would be a quite expensive HIV PCR test which tests the actual presence of the virus rather than antibodies. That's also why a PCR test is considered most accurate. If you want peace of mind, go to Bumrungrad two weeks after your exposure and get the test for ca. 4,000 THB. You'll get the result the next day (the anonymous clinic at the Red Cross is cheaper but takes 7 days turnaround time).

Most rapid tests check for the presence of antibodies. Statistically, most people start to develop a detectable amount of antibodies by four to six weeks after an exposure. That's why taking an antibody test before that doesn't provide you a reliable information. Do it 4-6 weeks after and a negative test result can be trusted 95%. The remaining 5% are the people who develop antibodies later than that. That's why doctors typically recommend having a confirmation test at the 3 or even 6 months mark.
Well I have to guess a baseline is to see what result he gets from previous exposures, since too early for HIV to show up from the latest encounter.

Red Cross is cheap and has a quick test and also the more accurate amplification test. I don't see the problem to wait 7 days for the result really. In fact they don't contact you unless you are not all clear. Why pay expensive? He has to wait a reasonable period before being tested anyway. I think they believe it is detectable in well under 4 weeks these days with amplification test. So I agree 2 weeks is a good choice. 4000 is a waste of money since extremely unlikely to have HIV.

At Red Cross U-rine tests, e. G. For Chlamydia and Gonorrhea, are more expensive than blood tests for HIV, and Syphilis.

A girl had stopped giving me BBFS. I thought she was getting very worried about catching something from me, so I got all the common STD tests again. Then I found out her reason was not that. While I had tested frequently for HIV and Syphilis, she had not, so she was refusing BBFS based on her having no test for many months. Ha ha! Even I would take the risk with her, she would not. I know I am not her only BBFS partner, but don't believe she has very many. Withdrawing BBFS before her test is done, suggests she has very few BBFS partners most likely, especially until she gets tested again. Puzzling.

I think if guys are worried about HIV, they can get a test done from time to time, but need not be straight after any specific incident where catching it is so unlikely (if not injected into your bloodstream). Then may as well test for Syphilis as well since its effects can be bad if no symptoms so far. I am not even scared of girls having period blood. Have certainly fucked my regular in that circumstance.

[Syzygies]

Visited Snow White In Bangkok today. Met a plump Thai girl called "yarakat" or something that sounds like that. She did the usual. Massage and playing around. She was quite mechanical if you ask me but I wasn't complaining. She put on the condom. Rode me. She got tired and I decided to do doggy. While in the doggy, I slipped out. The condom was ok. Then I don't know if I entered her vagina or anus. It just went in. Came in 2 minutes. Pulled out and saw that the condom had broken.

Totally freaked out. Washed up. Peed whatever I could.

Didn't SW have an HIV scare? Substandard condoms.

I'm trying to keep calm. But I know I'm stressing out too.

I'the really appreciate some help on what to do.No big deal pal. No need to freak out. HIV almost impossible to catch (extremely unlikely), so other common STDs are more possible. Treatable. So look for discharge, Chancre etc. , if nothing, don't worry. Maybe don't fuck your wife for a few days until seems all clear if very worried. Re HIV, no rush to do anything at all about it, since chances are so remote. I just get a test once in a while to be able to show to girls if they want to see it. E. g. Every 3 months at Red Cross.

Azithromycin preventative is possible against Chlamydia as example, so like treating it even you have not got it. Similarly for Gonorrhea can take an antibiotic. If me, I would not bother with no symptoms (better to be tested first) since I know antibiotics stuff up my gut digestive system. I prefer not to take antibiotics unless absolutely necessary, even give bad belly time to clear up by itself before taking drastic treatments.

[Rick Rock]

No big deal pal. No need to freak out. HIV almost impossible to catch (extremely unlikely), so other common STDs are more possible. Treatable. So look for discharge, Chancre etc. , if nothing, don't worry. Maybe don't fuck your wife for a few days until seems all clear if very worried. Re HIV, no rush to do anything at all about it, since chances are so remote. I just get a test once in a while to be able to show to girls if they want to see it. E. g. Every 3 months at Red Cross.

Azithromycin preventative is possible against Chlamydia as example, so like treating it even you have not got it. Similarly for Gonorrhea can take an antibiotic. If me, I would not bother with no symptoms (better to be tested first) since I know antibiotics stuff up my gut digestive system. I prefer not to take antibiotics unless absolutely necessary, even give bad belly time to clear up by itself before taking drastic treatments.No oral antibiotic has been recommended for gonorrhea for many many years, especially in Asia. Because they don't work anymore. The current recommended treatment for gonorrhea is ceftriaxone via injection. The dose is 125 MG in North America though in the Asia Pacific region 250 MG - 1 g is given.

Few qualified physicians would give such medication to an asymptomatic person in any event.

HIV is not "impossible to catch" by any means. You can ask any of the 40 million people living with the disease, including 500,000 in Thailand.

You can get post exposure prophylaxis in Bangkok. You take it orally for 30 days and it greatly reduces any risk of HIV exposure.

[Rick Rock]

You're clearly panicking. Taking antibiotics without knowing whether you need them is not a good idea. You might develop resistance. Agreed that you shouldn't take antibiotics randomly, though many people do it in Thailand.

But you can't develop resistance to antibiotics. Bacteria can and does develop resistance. People cannot.

[GuySexLife]

I have a question. If we catch syphilis or hepatitis see.

When you go to the std clinic, If I understand well, you still test positive for treponemal tests even after treatment. They use trepsure anti treponema EIA to test syphilis, they stopped using non treponemal tests as first tests. What if a person was infected with syphilis in the past. How they will know they were infected in the past or reinfected?

I also heard we stay positive for HepatitisC after adequate treatment. How they will know if someone was infected in the past or reinfected?

Anyone who was infected with Syphilis or Hepatitis see can share their experience on blood tests or any medical professional in here?

[Syzygies]

The dose is 125 MG in North America though in the Asia Pacific region 250 MG - 1 g is given.
Why is that dose so different? Different strains of the bacteria? More resistant in this region?



HIV is not "impossible to catch" by any means. You can ask any of the 40 million people living with the disease, including 500,000 in Thailand.
Yeh not impossible but incredibly unlikely. We are far better off worrying about cancer, heart disease, being killed in a traffic accident, exploding mobile phones, being struck by lightning, being eaten by crocodiles or sharks, Cobra bite, bombs, fire in the Hotel, semi-military snipers, drowning, or even Tsunamis, etc.The numbers don't mean much when we don't have a break down of the method they caught it (which is often not known for certain).

E. g. Hemophiliacs, shared needle, other drug users, ass fuckers, etc.

Risk from a single hetero sex act (in pussy) is believed to be extremely small for a guy. Such that Monger for Sex reckons he never saw a case (sorry if I interpreted him wrong).

Its the social disgrace from STDs that is really so frightening, right? HIV prophlaxis after the event sounds silly to me except in special circumstances, e.g. stuck with a syringe known to contain HIV (or possibly). There are those that are really at high risk, and then all the large number of very worried.

Just my opinions. Think of how difficult it was for HIV children to be in a community early in the HIV scare. HIV people don't have to be considered a danger in normal life. An Indonesian gay that used to cut my hair many years ago died of Aids. Big deal, no need to be scared of him had I known anything in advance.

[Rick Rock]

Why is that dose so different? Different strains of the bacteria? More resistant in this region?Resistance in gonorrhea has historically emerged in Asia and migrated to the rest of the world. Australia and New Zealand are up to 500 MG. Japan where super gonorrhea was first reported recommends a full gram. Some knowledgeable physicians in Bangkok actually dose even higher when gonorrhea presents in their patients.

"Notably, particularly in Asia many strains with a ceftriaxone MIC = 0.25 mg/L, i.e. ceftriaxone resistant according to the European resistance breakpoints, which lack a mosaic PBP2 are also circulating. E.g., gonococcal strains with ceftriaxone MIC = 0.25 mg/L and non-mosaic PBP2s have been described in China, South Korea (PBP2 IV and V with G542S, and XIII with A501TV and P551S), and Vietnam (PBP2 XVIII with A501T and G542S [51])." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4546108/

"The New Zealand Sexual Health Society has recently changed its recommendation for gonorrhoea treatment from 250 mg ceftriaxone IM stat (in 2009), to 500mg IM stat (in 2012), given with azithromycin 1 g stat to cover concurrent chlamydia infection. This increase in dose has been recommended to overcome emerging resistance of Neisseria gonorrhoeae to cephalosporins. It should be noted that although the relevant subsidy requirement for ceftriaxone is “treatment of confirmed ciprofloxacin-resistant gonorrhoea”, the prevalence of ciprofloxacin resistance is as high as 54% in some areas in New Zealand" https://bpac.org.nz/BPJ/2012/november/docs/bpj_48_correspondence_pages_44-45.pdf

" Resistance to fluoroquinolone was widespread in countries and areas in the Western Pacific Region by the 1990's. More recently, ceftriaxone-resistant strains of and. Gonorrhoeae have been reported in Japan and Australia, and globally there have been increasing reports of and. Gonorrhoeae resistance to azithromycin. The H041 strain of and. Gonorrhoeae that is resistant to extended spectrum cephalosporins was isolated in Japan in 2009, and the genetically similar A8806 strain was identified in Australia in 2013. Today, ciprofloxacin and penicillin resistance is widespread in most countries and areas in the Western Pacific Region, with the exception of remote parts of Australia and New Caledonia, and isolates with decreased susceptibility to ceftriaxone and azithromycin are widely reported. ".

https://iris.wpro.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665.1/13688/WPR-2017-DCD-001-eng.pdf

I would imagine the reasons the dosage is higher in Asia would be the same reasons STDs and HIV are higher in Asia, and in particular Thailand. Similar factors involved.

[TheAmericanBoy]

I have a question. If we catch syphilis or hepatitis see.

When you go to the std clinic, If I understand well, you still test positive for treponemal tests even after treatment. They use trepsure anti treponema EIA to test syphilis, they stopped using non treponemal tests as first tests. What if a person was infected with syphilis in the past. How they will know they were infected in the past or reinfected?

I also heard we stay positive for HepatitisC after adequate treatment. How they will know if someone was infected in the past or reinfected?

Anyone who was infected with Syphilis or Hepatitis see can share their experience on blood tests or any medical professional in here?I caught syphilis in 2005. I get tested last week, RPR and EIA are negative but TPPA is still positive. The doctor says it will be positive for life. I always used condoms for oral, vaginal sex before catching syphilis. I stopped using condoms because I think it's ineffective, I stopped using condoms for oral sex. I bareback girls when she agrees. I never caught anything even herpes except for syphilis. I get tested every 3 months. I am still negative for syphilis and all other STDs are negative. I am sexually active.

[MongerForSex]

I have been barebacking girls since I was diagnosed with stomach cancer in January 2019. I prefer spending money and enjoying the rest of my life to spending money on treatment that won't save me. Why be scared of and get tested for STDs when I know I will die of cancer. I now stop visiting medical professionals trying to steal my money. They are all useless. I prefer living shorter and very well to living longer in a hospital.

I am now in Colombia and fuck girls with condom or condomless. I loved Thailand, it was very easy to bareback in Thailand, HIV and other STDs don't scare me. Since I started being sexually active, I feel healthier and live stress free. Life is good when fear doesn't exist. Cancer is the best thing that happens to me, because I live 100 %. Now and know what life means and have time to do all what I wanted in my life. Next destination for sex will be Brazil.Enjoy your life and be strong.

I hope you will enjoy Brazil.

[Syzygies]

I always used condoms for oral, vaginal sex before catching syphilis. So what is the theory for how it might be caught despite using condoms? Is there one? Surely not by kissing?

No condom slip off?

I have thought that finger in pussy and then touching other parts could be faint risk even if low probability. However I would love to hear any more plausible alternatives, for most likely ways the bacteria could be passed.

I love putting fingers deep in girls pussies for a variety of reasons. One is to check for sponge retarding penetration, another is to feel how her uterus is placed and will it likely cause problems if obtrudes too much (she has to have one unless LB or hysterectomy), finally fingers in the girl while tongue kissing helps get up real fast.

Years ago I caught Trachoma in the eye.

Here is a web site quote:

"Chlamydia can be spread during vaginal, anal, or oral sex, and can be passed from an infected mother to her baby during childbirth. The eye infections may also be spread by personal contact, flies, and contaminated towels in areas with poor sanitation. Chlamydia trachomatis only occurs in humans. ".

So my theory was I caught this from a hooker by fingers in her pussy. Doctor did not say anything like that but he called it Chlamydia. However it seems there are several types:

"Trachoma is caused by Chlamydia Trachomatis, serotypes (serovars) A, be, and see" After Monger for sex wrote a bit vaguely, I read that the Sexual Chlamydia are most commonly serotypes E and F and some others but not the same one as in the eye infection. So its the same bacteria, well actually not quite the same. There are several strains of HIV also with differing risk factors. Does not get much publicity.

Possible to be infected by more than one type of Chlamydia concurrently too. So the idea of catching it from the pussy becomes unlikely. Contaminated towel becomes more likely. However fingers rubbing on the eye is still highly likely to have put it in the eye I think.

Are condoms really ineffective? I really doubt that, but depends on the thing being transmitted and how easy that is. Still I am not averse to BBFS with selected girls that I think maybe less risky somehow (perhaps getting tested). Perhaps not choosing a girl that barebacks many guys every day, indiscriminately. Std rates are higher for hookers in Bangkok than in the country I read, particularly HIV. Hopefully most hookers with HIV are treating it with anti-retrovirals (90%) to reduce chances to pass on. I have no clue if they would insist on condoms or not. At least most hookers with it, will know they have it these days.

[BMoreDog69]

They only cover your dick, and depending on the condom, your dick, etc, they may not cover all of your dick that well.

To really prevent an STD transfer, and they are all a little different, you need to prevent most of the contact we're interested in. For example, herpes is a good example of an STD that you can get from non-penetrative sexual contact. It could be oral, or maybe some stripper / camel-toe slide, before suiting up for the main event.

For those concerned, while a bit fussy and messy, and more expensive, female condoms give a bareback like sensation, and actually do a better job of preventing genital contact during sex.

[Turgid]

................I love putting fingers deep in girls pussies for a variety of reasons. One is to check for sponge retarding penetration............That may very well be an ordinary piece of sponge crudely used to retard penetration. I think its quite difficult to detect the specially designed vaginal sponge, sold in pharmacies, through normal fingering as the sponge is made of soft material that feels like normal vaginal tissue. I think many working girls use them especially those who do bare back sex as they block the girl's cervix to keep sperm from getting into her uterus, and they continuously release spermicide. I'm not sure about their effectiveness in preventing the girl from getting STDs. No doubt many working girls who insist on CFS use them as well. Have you ever detected a vaginal sponge?

[Syzygies]

That may very well be an ordinary piece of sponge crudely used to retard penetration. I think its quite difficult to detect the specially designed vaginal sponge, sold in pharmacies, through normal fingering as the sponge is made of soft material that feels like normal vaginal tissue. I think many working girls use them especially those who do bare back sex as they block the girl's cervix to keep sperm from getting into her uterus, and they continuously release spermicide. I'm not sure about their effectiveness in preventing the girl from getting STDs. No doubt many working girls who insist on CFS use them as well. Have you ever detected a vaginal sponge?Ha ha. You really surprise me. I will have to go buy one, since I am very skeptical indeed that it will really feel like vagina tissue. I detect "luuk jiap" (literally means like fluffy baby chick) quite regularly in pussies. Some are really rough and some a bit smoother. If I can detect them, then they always obstruct the dick badly and make the fuck feel terrible for me, since I am not really short in the dick. As far as I know, there do not exist smooth ones feeling like a real pussy, but I will go find out.

So I do believe that some girls maybe using proper pharmacy items, and others maybe using something homemade that was cheaper.

I concede that I might not detect if something was 5 inches plus in there, but that is already past the uterus. So my fingers can always feel the uterus opening and if it was covered by anything. Bear in mind, very few girls have a vagina of over 5 inches in length before it get stretched by the sexual activity, unless they are abnormal, I think. I guess my longest middle finger reaches about 4. 5+ inches, past the uterus cervix usually at 4 inches or often less.

I do experience variation in the feel of vagina lining, with some girls extremely smooth and others a little more corregated (small undulations), but certainly feeling quite different to sponge like material.

Strangely some guys reckoned they never experienced girls with a sponge stuffed up there, meaning just blindly unaware, never sticking the fingers in deep at all, and possibly having short dicks too (Ha ha). I have experienced abrasive action of the sponge break a condom causing me to CIP as was not aware tip of condom was damaged (base of condom still in place), actually more than once but many years ago. It was not smooth enough by any means. It is quite unnatural thing to be there. In the modern day, I just can't fuck a girl with a sponge up there and have to get them to take it out. Some have denied it being there after I already discovered it (too late) but still were willing to surreptitiously take it out.

It is possible I have not detected such an obstruction for sure, if in very deep, and indeed extremely smooth such that dick did not feel anything was amiss, but I am doubtful. Sometimes I did not finger every girl deeply in the past if everything was going real smooth, and possibly if she was a regular. Tonight my Thermae girl pussy was not feeling good with dick in her pussy, so I certainly used digits to probe very thoroughly looking for anything strange, which I did not find. Her cervix was normal enough perhaps slightly descended.

Some girls never use a sponge in there, some only on their period (the major reason), and some use all the time. I am not really experienced with girls that allow BBFS using it with spermicide, however if it covered the cervix to prevent sperm entry that would mean it is in far too shallow and would likely be a severe obstruction. A dutch cap to prevent pregnancy is quite a different thing. I don't actually have any experience with any hookers at MPs allowing CIP but using a sponge. As far as I know, none of my regulars uses a sponge, and they don't like me to CIP either. If I finger, I can always feel the cervix opening clearly. (not covered).

I would rather have the nice feeling pussy but pull out to cum, instead of CIP. Sponges make the fuck feel so crappy. Dicks don't like abrasion.

[MongerForSex]

I caught syphilis in 2005. I get tested last week, RPR and EIA are negative but TPPA is still positive. The doctor says it will be positive for life. I always used condoms for oral, vaginal sex before catching syphilis. I stopped using condoms because I think it's ineffective, I stopped using condoms for oral sex. I bareback girls when she agrees. I never caught anything even herpes except for syphilis. I get tested every 3 months. I am still negative for syphilis and all other STDs are negative. I am sexually active.Syphilis test is less accurate than hiv test. Maybe you never had syphilis.

[XXL]

They were only available at Boots' and they were never plentiful. You would have to check several Boots pharmacies to muster maybe 4 or 5 pieces. Now for the past week I've tried in vain to find any in Pattaya. As usual the pharmacies could tell me nothing except the familiar "no hab". My suggestion they might want to order a load of them as I was prepared to buy in bulk only elicited a grin. A pharmacy placing orders? Ah-ah-ah, another crazy farang scheme!

With so many useless brands of condoms on the shelves it had to be this one that went missing.

It is infuriating to see condom technology remaining stuck in the 1920s. Any howsoever innovative condoms have been hard to get and beset by flaws like ridiculously inadequate lengths or girths. It's like a conspiracy was afoot to force men into unprotected sex.

[Syzygies]

It is infuriating to see condom technology remaining stuck in the 1920s. Any howsoever innovative condoms have been hard to get and beset by flaws like ridiculously inadequate lengths or girths. It's like a conspiracy was afoot to force men into unprotected sex.Okamoto 003 are stretchable latex and readily available in 7 eleven, however they are made for Japanese. You really have to stretch them to get them on, and length does not reach the whole way. Would be nice if they sold a larger size.

I always put them on myself because I know the technique required. I am scared if the girl stuffs around trying to work out how to get it on, the dick will have gone down by that time. At least they don't slip off easily unless too much lube gets inside the condom. I used to use the large size Durex Comfort and sometimes still revert to those. Not that thick but still thicker than the 003's. Polyurethane condoms like Sagami never worked well for me because they don't really stretch (also makes it hard to get on) and I don't like the wrinkly quality.

It becomes easier just to have regular BB girls, and forget the condoms.

I am waiting for Okamoto 002 but in at larger width and length, rather than what seems like small size only. Condoms need to well hidden. The Mrs would know what they are for.

[EihTooms]

Okamoto 003 are stretchable latex and readily available in 7 eleven, however they are made for Japanese. You really have to stretch them to get them on, and length does not reach the whole way. Would be nice if they sold a larger size.

I always put them on myself because I know the technique required. I am scared if the girl stuffs around trying to work out how to get it on, the dick will have gone down by that time. At least they don't slip off easily unless too much lube gets inside the condom. I used to use the large size Durex Comfort and sometimes still revert to those. Not that thick but still thicker than the 003's. Polyurethane condoms like Sagami never worked well for me because they don't really stretch (also makes it hard to get on) and I don't like the wrinkly quality.

It becomes easier just to have regular BB girls, and forget the condoms.

I am waiting for Okamoto 002 but in at larger width and length, rather than what seems like small size only. Condoms need to well hidden. The Mrs would know what they are for.For those on the fence about going BB regularly for lack of enough sensation to make the sex worth it at all but are still worried about unwanted pregnancy, why not try using lamb skin condoms instead of latex?

I have tried Trojan NaturaLamb condoms recently and they seemed to allow more sensation than any others I've tried. No, I still did not finish wearing one in 3 separate attempts with three different girls. However, I felt that if I had abstained from sex for a week or two, was really super turned on by the girl, her pussy was perfectly snug and I was willing to risk rupturing just one vital internal organ rather than several in order to make it happen within a couple of hours working at it I might have been able to squeeze off an orgasm wearing one of those. In other words, they felt much better than any latex condom I have ever tried.

However, the big trade off for them feeling more "natural" is they do not protect against STDs. And they say so right on the packaging. Maybe that means this comment doesn't belong in this thread, except that the topic was condoms. They only help to prevent pregnancy. But they might assure a girl for whom there is no proof the man has gotten a vasectomy, which is always the case really, that she won't get pregnant. That is somewhat the reason I was willing to try them myself.

There are no lamb skin condoms sold anywhere in Thailand that I have found. Probably because they don't protect against STDs. I had to order mine on Amazon. Came to about $3.50 USD or about 105 THB per condom including shipping costs at today's exchange rate. I assume they are cheaper if you buy them over the counter in a country where they are sold.

[XXL]

Just tried out one. Zero feeling. Because latex.

I had an Okamoto 002 polyurethane left. It refused to roll down properly. When I tried to put it right it snapped. Anyway anything that says 002 is unavailable now it seems. Deal breaker for me.

I'll try Amazon with hotel address. Need to be at hotel when it is scheduled to arrive.

[Turgid]

Just tried out one. Zero feeling. Because latex.

I had an Okamoto 002 polyurethane left. It refused to roll down properly. When I tried to put it right it snapped. Anyway anything that says 002 is unavailable now it seems. Deal breaker for me.

I'll try Amazon with hotel address. Need to be at hotel when it is scheduled to arrive.A few days ago I was with a hooker and she insisted on putting on the condom herself. She told me that she does not roll down the condom as it could slide towards the tip of the penis during sex. I allowed her to put the condom on me and she opened it wide an put it flush on the entire length of my shaft. During sex the condom did not slide at all. I have had the condom applied every now and then in that manner in the past but never made a mental note of the result. However, on many occasions in the past I have had to keep pulling the condom back to the base of the penis during sex. That did not happen on this occasion. Could it be that after having sex for over 40 years I have finally ascertained a way to avoid the condom sliding during sex? Time will tell.

[Travv]

There should be a review on Amazon on how to use poly Sagamis for larger guys. I am also unable to get the Sagami. 002 Large on unless I go through this procedure. Step one. Lubricate yourself with coconut oil. Oil does not affect poly Sagamis. Step 2. Unroll Sagami. Step 3, Pull the unrolled Sagami onto yourself, relying on the coconut oil to get it to slide on and fit. Step 4, Lubricate Sagami with more coconut oil. Done.


Just tried out one. Zero feeling. Because latex.

I had an Okamoto 002 polyurethane left. It refused to roll down properly. When I tried to put it right it snapped. Anyway anything that says 002 is unavailable now it seems. Deal breaker for me.

I'll try Amazon with hotel address. Need to be at hotel when it is scheduled to arrive.

[FL Hawk]

These are incredibly thin and they will fit most western dudes. I accidentally received their regular size and, ugh, way to tight for this otherwise averge-sized western dude. Sent them back to Japan for a refund.

Not that I was able to cum with them, nothing new there for me. On my last Pattaya trip I only had a couple to try and since Secret kept me sufficiently drained, I could not give them a fair test.

They are expensive but available on eBay.


Just tried out one. Zero feeling. Because latex.

I had an Okamoto 002 polyurethane left. It refused to roll down properly. When I tried to put it right it snapped. Anyway anything that says 002 is unavailable now it seems. Deal breaker for me.

I'll try Amazon with hotel address. Need to be at hotel when it is scheduled to arrive.

[Syzygies]

A few days ago I was with a hooker and she insisted on putting on the condom herself. She told me that she does not roll down the condom as it could slide towards the tip of the penis during sex. I allowed her to put the condom on me and she opened it wide an put it flush on the entire length of my shaft. During sex the condom did not slide at all. I have had the condom applied every now and then in that manner in the past but never made a mental note of the result. However, on many occasions in the past I have had to keep pulling the condom back to the base of the penis during sex. That did not happen on this occasion. Could it be that after having sex for over 40 years I have finally ascertained a way to avoid the condom sliding during sex? Time will tell.Nothing can prevent sliding so easily I think. I use a similar technique to get it on, but still can slide.

If there were absolutely no air inside the condom slipping maybe be minimal because of the vacuum. Not easy to achieve zero air inside. The less the better. The technique for putting condom on certainly matters when it comes to keeping the air amount as low as possible.

If bottom rim of condom starts to pushed over some lube, then that lube promotes slippage too. So even without air, the base of condom can start sliding around a bit.

[Syzygies]

These are incredibly thin and they will fit most western dudes. I accidentally received their regular size and, ugh, way to tight for this otherwise averge-sized western dude. Sent them back to Japan for a refund.

Not that I was able to cum with them, nothing new there for me. On my last Pattaya trip I only had a couple to try and since Secret kept me sufficiently drained, I could not give them a fair test.

They are expensive but available on eBay.These can be ordered from Shopee web site for 455 Baht (pack of 3) but web site is in Thai. I see these are Polyurethane, so I lose interest, due to lack of stretching ability and wrinkles. I already did not like Sagamis, but each to their own preference.

I see Mega Big Boys XL by Okamoto are supposed to be made of Sheerlon (whatever that is) and quoted as extra thin but no thickness measure is given. I suppose one just has to try and see if like them. I saw can order 10 for 680 Baht.

[Retiree1968]

Gonorrhea often cause pain in the epididymis? Bangkok is good to treat gonorrhea? Anyone already had gonorrhea or chlamydia? What about health insurance?

[Kirsia123]

Where can I purchase PEP in BKK without a presxription? What should I expect to pay?

I am close to Sukhomvit.

The condom broke when I met a Lady from Cherry. I managed to pull put after less than 30 sec but I want to minimize any risk.

/ Kirsia.

[MrKim]

Where can I purchase PEP in BKK without a presxription? What should I expect to pay?

I am close to Sukhomvit.

The condom broke when I met a Lady from Cherry. I managed to pull put after less than 30 sec but I want to minimize any risk.

/ Kirsia.Try:

https://www.pulse-clinic.com/

https://www.medconsultasia.com/sexualhealthclinic

I've not tried these myself but you should be able to find what you are looking for there.

[Syzygies]

Where can I purchase PEP in BKK without a presxription? What should I expect to pay?

I am close to Sukhomvit.

The condom broke when I met a Lady from Cherry. I managed to pull put after less than 30 sec but I want to minimize any risk.

/ Kirsia.Some worry too much, however need to find the right pharmacies for non prescription stuff perhaps, and describe exactly which medication you are looking for. Like me, They might have no clue what PEP is at first glance. I always asked for medication by name of the major active ingredient, whatever that might be, e. G. Allopurinol for gout.

Genuine Brand names can be expensive, but I don't know if generics are available for Truvada and what the ingredients are.

ET,

Are you the expert on this topic? LOL.

I used to use Charoen Pharmacy but it closed. I found a useful pharmacy staying open quite late in evening and having stuff I wanted was called L.B. Pharmacy right next to 7 Eleven between Soi 5 and Soi 7. The L.B. Is funny but may be unrelated to ladyboys. Both myself and the staff at the Pharmacy were a little puzzled by a previous customer that just left, whether was a real girl or a ladyboy. We thought girl but none of us were too sure. I could see they were slyly having a chuckle so I joked around with them just a little on the topic of picking a ladyboy or not (not in English). Ha ha.

Who be good if we could compile a list of useful Pharmacies in Sukhumvit including their typical hours. It does get annoying when you need a pharmacy at night and can't find one open close to where you are, then if you do they might not sell what you want. Particularly more difficult outside Bangkok too. Charoen always used to do the job.

Once in rural Thailand asked for Sidegra, but said no have but they recommended a herbal alternative. Unfortunately I don't really believe the herbal ones will really work, to transform me to sexual superman at my age. So far I found the most effective alternative approach was weight loss and healthy eating.

[Syzygies]

Try:

https://www.pulse-clinic.com/

https://www.medconsultasia.com/sexualhealthclinic

I've not tried these myself but you should be able to find what you are looking for there.Re Dr Donna at the second one. I tried this health place once. In the end I was not impressed. I had wanted several tests done, and I got results for the minor tests, but the most important one, they forgot and failed to do completely despite me paying for it, and me wanting the results urgently. I had to go back to their inconvenient location deep in Soi with bad traffic, to get a refund.

These days I just use Red Cross (Ratchadamri) for all my tests, far cheaper and more efficient.

I know PEP is different issue, but Dr. Donna (from England maybe but perhaps Indian looking) employs cheap Thai office assistants probably with low training, to do the hack work, but they are unreliable. As I speak Thai, I have little need for English speaking doctor. Just a waste of money for me.

[AussieDoug]

Where can I purchase PEP in BKK without a presxription? What should I expect to pay?

I am close to Sukhomvit.

The condom broke when I met a Lady from Cherry. I managed to pull put after less than 30 sec but I want to minimize any risk.

/ Kirsia.I assume you mean PREP, like a drug sold under the name Truvada, now most of the customers for that event are in the gay community, the actual and truthful chances of you catching it from a lady friend is very, very, very, very small, lots more very's used by my doctor, who isn't into gilding the lily. There is a discrete (so their sign says) clinic in the Times Square building near Asoke BTS station, across the road from Robinsons. Never asked obviously but you can give it a try, maybe they less likely to rip you off, seeing themselves as a service.

[Turgid]

.............Once in rural Thailand asked for Sidegra, but said no have but they recommended a herbal alternative. Unfortunately I don't really believe the herbal ones will really work, to transform me to sexual superman at my age. So far I found the most effective alternative approach was weight loss and healthy eating.What do we monger for? For fun. Mongers are hedonists, lovers of pleasure. I enjoy sex and I also enjoy eating and drinking. I used to smoke but gradually did so less and less until I do not smoke today, there was no trauma in the transition. In my younger days I would drink to intoxication and sometimes pass out: I no longer have the desire to do that, I drink in moderation which suits me fine. I used to eat a lot of so called junk food, hamburgers, fried chicken and fries, pizza, etc. But over a period of time lost the desire for that. I eat what I enjoy eating; I will never lose the taste for steak and baked potatoes, spaghetti and meat balls, lamb chops, barbeque, wings, turkey etc. I eat what I enjoy. I am not a sexual superman but for my age (mid 60's) have perfectly enjoyable encounters. Over recent years I have started exercising more, not gym work or other work outs that cost a ton but just walking on days on which I am not mongering.

[JoseNosay]

Where can I purchase PEP in BKK without a presxription? What should I expect to pay?

I am close to Sukhomvit.

The condom broke when I met a Lady from Cherry. I managed to pull put after less than 30 sec but I want to minimize any risk.

/ Kirsia.Prep can be used in the same way as Pep, but since you are worried you might as well go Prep all the way & never worry again.

They deliver directly to the hotel, give it 5 days or so since they come from India.

https://getpreponline.com/shop/

If you are paranoid & must get it right away, go the prep clinic 60 Silom Road next to Boots near Al Saray restaurant, same price but you have to pay extra money for the kidney tests & HIV test.

[Syzygies]

What do we monger for? For fun. Mongers are hedonists, lovers of pleasure. I enjoy sex and I also enjoy eating and drinking. I used to smoke but gradually did so less and less until I do not smoke today, there was no trauma in the transition. In my younger days I would drink to intoxication and sometimes pass out: I no longer have the desire to do that, I drink in moderation which suits me fine. I used to eat a lot of so called junk food, hamburgers, fried chicken and fries, pizza, etc. But over a period of time lost the desire for that. I eat what I enjoy eating; I will never lose the taste for steak and baked potatoes, spaghetti and meat balls, lamb chops, barbeque, wings, turkey etc. I eat what I enjoy. I am not a sexual superman but for my age (mid 60's) have perfectly enjoyable encounters. Over recent years I have started exercising more, not gym work or other work outs that cost a ton but just walking on days on which I am not mongering.I believe is eating for nutrition, health and taste. I reprogrammed myself a little. I decided there is no need to eat all the bland carbohydrate filler food. So no need to eat lots of rice, noodles, bread, pizza crust, pasta, and potatoes. Because those things are actually bland and little taste by themselves, they are not difficult to give up for me. Thai people tell the taste is so powerful because the food is meant to be toned down with rice, but I am reducing or eliminating the rice. I make my own version of a Pizza but replace the pastry crust with eggs to transform it into a very tasty omelette (assuming nice toppings).

The real bad thing is sugar and especially high sugar drinks, so I drink a lot of coffee no sugar, and water, and no sugary soft drinks, or sugary juices. Good fruit replaces fruit juice.

The only way to control weight for many of us is to control the food intake. Exercise alone will not work for most overweight people.

So giving up most sweet food (but not all), and eliminating a lot of bland fillers, is not so difficult. Can use low calorie sweeteners like Stevia and Monk fruit, if really have to have sweet. I do eats cake at times, and lower sugar chocolates, but just have to control it. I use Stevia or similar to sweeten very low sugar Yogourts, and often flavour it with real fruit.

I found that when I was really determined to control everything, could consistently lose half a kilo per week for an extended period, after big loses in first week or 2. I don't intend to get well over weight again. A diet is permanent, not temporary. I can still enjoy tasty food, steaks no problem, however for meat it is wise to not make the serving too large, and I skip the French fries (which never really interested me that much). I never had to worry about my intake of fats and oils, in terms affecting my weight. I just avoid polyunsaturates and of course Trans fats for other reasons, also avoid Omega 6's getting to high. So ordering deep fried in a restaurant is not appealing to me since we don't know what oils they use.

I provide this advice for those wanting to lose weight but really struggling to do so. Restrict your carbs and calories, and for sure can lose weight. After a while we get used to eating less and healthier choices. I recommend lots of mongering and other activities to take the mind off eating. Many people eat junk fillers due to stress and boredom. High fibre veg is essential to a healthy gut, and improved ability to control weight.

After a food binge day, it takes only a couple of days or so to get back on track, but binges cause fluid retention and weight yoyos.

I never see the need to enter a KFC, Maccas, etc. Other junk food (high sugar and carbs) venues. I don't really regard Maccas as supplying food, more so a sugar fix.

I don't normally drink alcohol nor sweet drinks in a bar. Soda water is a no sugar option. Occasional alcohol.

While in Thailand, best to give up wanking completely, if possible. It does not help unless you are the guy that can't avoid cumming to quickly (opposite to me).

[Syzygies]

I assume you mean PREP, like a drug sold under the name Truvada, now most of the customers for that event are in the gay community, the actual and truthful chances of you catching it from a lady friend is very, very, very, very small, lots more very's used by my doctor, who isn't into gilding the lily. There is a discrete (so their sign says) clinic in the Times Square building near Asoke BTS station, across the road from Robinsons. Never asked obviously but you can give it a try, maybe they less likely to rip you off, seeing themselves as a service.PEP stands for Post Exposure Prophylaxis.

[XanderFran]

Hello,

I'll be staying near Nana Plaza and was wondering if there's a pharmacy nearby that sells Sildenafil Citrate?

Also which would you recommend. Kamagra or Apcalis?

I don't like the jelly tho and found it be less effective.

Last time I was there, The small pharmacy close to Nana Plaza was selling these. Do they still do?

[Syzygies]

Hello,

I'll be staying near Nana Plaza and was wondering if there's a pharmacy nearby that sells Sildenafil Citrate?

Also which would you recommend. Kamagra or Apcalis?

I don't like the jelly tho and found it be less effective.

Last time I was there, The small pharmacy close to Nana Plaza was selling these. Do they still do?The Charoen Pharmacy past the petrol pump closed. Government would not allow them a renewal mixed license to sell alcohol and cigarettes etc. As well as medicine.

I recommend L. B. Pharmacy on Sukhumvit in between Soi 5 and 7 since it stays open late when many others have closed.

Personally I recommend Kamagra or the Thai equivalent brand Sidegra. That is only personal preference since last I used Apcalis, I did not notice that it worked effectively for me. Others prefer it. You can try both and decide yourself which is better. I find Sildenafil far more powerful than Tadalafil, so that I can use a pill fragment piece. I also do not like jelly and never use it. Not easy to use a proportion of the pack and keep the rest. Too messy. Easy to bite off a piece of a pill.

Many hookers don't really like it that really old guys can keep it up and fuck for very extended time like "superman" or young studs, when in the old days, many older guys could not get it up reliably (ED) or at least had to pop quickly before it went down again (not helped at all by alcohol most likely). My first time with Kamagra try, I had hard on while driving the car to meet the girl, just because a thought of her naked crossed my mind. Ha ha. That never happened before. Normally watching nude girls does not cause me a hard on. Seen dancing pussy so many times.

[HorseTrader]

... Many hookers don't really like it that really old guys can keep it up and fuck for very extended time like "superman" or young studs,... Same complaint from Tijuana hookers. They should appreciate these boner pills, without them their customer base would be much smaller. Less money for hookers, bars, massage, restaurants, hotels, and airlines. Then there is all the money that old farang send to girls in Isaan after sex vacation to pay for sick water buffalo, mother's leaking roof, and grandmother's medicine. A decent chunk of Thailand economy wouldn't exist without those boner pills. Personally, I'm expecting to add a lot of money to the Thai economy over the next 2 months because I can enjoy the girls twice a day with the pills compared to twice a week without those pills. Without those pills I'the be spending my money elsewhere.

[Syzygies]

Same complaint from Tijuana hookers. They should appreciate these boner pills, without them their customer base would be much smaller. Less money for hookers, bars, massage, restaurants, hotels, and airlines. Then there is all the money that old farang send to girls in Isaan after sex vacation to pay for sick water buffalo, mother's leaking roof, and grandmother's medicine. A decent chunk of Thailand economy wouldn't exist without those boner pills. Personally, I'm expecting to add a lot of money to the Thai economy over the next 2 months because I can enjoy the girls twice a day with the pills compared to twice a week without those pills. Without those pills I'the be spending my money elsewhere.Yes a good way look at it.

I was once a 3 girls a day sex tourist, but got a bit past that now. It is a good remedy though, if have been severely deprived for long periods. Now I am happy with one per day, if its a really good one, or maybe two (if in really horny mood) happens occasionally. I can go a day with nothing if the talent is not available.

For me quality is a bit more important now than quantity. I would much rather one superb fuck than 3 ordinary ones in the day. I feel like each extra fuck is normally giving diminishing returns. If I was still 35, as in first sex laden trip to Thailand, I might think differently. I do miss first thing in the morning fucks though.

[Applesauce]

I recommend L. B. Pharmacy on Sukhumvit in between Soi 5 and 7 since it stays open late when many others have closed.

Personally I recommend Kamagra or the Thai equivalent brand Sidegra. Silly question here. Do I just walk into the pharmacy and ask for or show them a Google images picture of the sidegra box? When in Hong Kong I just show them a picture of hippagra (local Chinese brand of viagra) box on my phone. The guy writes down the cost and I pay in cash with neither of us ever saying a word to each other (I don't speak Canto or Mando and the guy might not speak English).

[HorseTrader]

Silly question here. Do I just walk into the pharmacy and ask for or show them a Google images picture of the sidegra box? When in Hong Kong I just show them a picture of hippagra (local Chinese brand of viagra) box on my phone. The guy writes down the cost and I pay in cash with neither of us ever saying a word to each other (I don't speak Canto or Mando and the guy might not speak English).I've never had a problem using English in any pharmacy in that area.

[XanderFran]

The Charoen Pharmacy past the petrol pump closed. Government would not allow them a renewal mixed license to sell alcohol and cigarettes etc. As well as medicine.

I recommend L. B. Pharmacy on Sukhumvit in between Soi 5 and 7 since it stays open late when many others have closed.

Personally I recommend Kamagra or the Thai equivalent brand Sidegra. That is only personal preference since last I used Apcalis, I did not notice that it worked effectively for me. Others prefer it. You can try both and decide yourself which is better. I find Sildenafil far more powerful than Tadalafil, so that I can use a pill fragment piece. I also do not like jelly and never use it. Not easy to use a proportion of the pack and keep the rest. Too messy. Easy to bite off a piece of a pill.

Many hookers don't really like it that really old guys can keep it up and fuck for very extended time like "superman" or young studs, when in the old days, many older guys could not get it up reliably (ED) or at least had to pop quickly before it went down again (not helped at all by alcohol most likely). My first time with Kamagra try, I had hard on while driving the car to meet the girl, just because a thought of her naked crossed my mind. Ha ha. That never happened before. Normally watching nude girls does not cause me a hard on. Seen dancing pussy so many times.Thanks for the information, I will try out Kamagra and see how it goes.

Safe mongering!

[Turgid]

My major concern in using condoms is that they tend to slip down during sex with the possibility of coming off altogether. I find that applying them in a certain way reduces the possibility of that happening. I ask the girl to pinch the tip of the condom to allow a space at the tip of the penis; while she is doing that I expand the base of the condom and extend it over the entire shaft of the penis to its base. I find that the condom stays on the penis during sex when applied that way. A working girl showed me that many years ago.

[Crocodilexp]

I'll be staying near Nana Plaza and was wondering if there's a pharmacy nearby that sells Sildenafil Citrate?

Also which would you recommend. Kamagra or Apcalis?Try the pharmacy in Foodland Soi 5. For genereic Sildenafil Citrate, I'd try Sidegra (the Thai generic brand), rather than Kamagra which tends to be less consistent. It costs 100 baht for 4 x50 MG pills, 180 baht for 4 x100 MG pills, if you pay more they're fleecing you.

Apcalis is a Cialis generic, it's OK if Cialis works for you, but the effects are substantially different than Sildenafil.

[FunExplorer]

Your below article makes an interesting reading. I am scared to go bareback even though there is lot of desire for the same. All these years I have used condoms. Can you please provide me a link to the article you mentioned that "There was a study done in san Francisco, it was proved straight men can't get HIV from women". I would appreciate the same.

I would also be thankful if punters can provide some more inputs on going bareback. I know it is all one's risk but may be newer research throw more light on the subject.


As a dermatologist / infectologist, I would say.

Truvada is a medicine to prevent hiv from HIV negative people.

Truvada is also a medicine to treat HIV. It must be used together with other medicines for hiv positive people. Truvada is more often used in Gay community.

Serious side effect.

Worsen hepatitis and some other viral diseases if you have.

Truvada may cause sever liver problem, sever kidney problem, sever bone problem, too much lactid and acid in your blood, changes in your immune system, it may affect some types of immune system..

[Sinofaguo]

"There was a study done in san Francisco, it was proved straight men can't get HIV from women". I would appreciate the same.There are plenty of studies showing you have statistically less chances getting HIV as a man having vaginal sex with a woman, than the woman does having sex with you. Just like there is less risk for the woman recieving vaginal sex than from a gay person recieving sexual intercourse up his ass.

That being said no one can claim "it is proved straight men can't get HIV from women" because there are plenty of HIV positive men whom are not gay or junkies and don't partake in anal sex.

The woman with whom you'll have sex is not a robot. Most studies are based on a representative scope of the population, yet the woman you have sex with can have a profile with a much higher risk (which changes the stat which applies to you when you have sex with her).
For instance you statistically have more chance of getting HIV from a WG who has unprotected sex with multiple partners daily than with a girl who's had limited partners in her life.
For starters she has more chances of having other STDs with sores and such which give a higher risk of transmitting and catching STDs such as HIV.
Being a WG she is more likely to have prolonged rough sex with multiple partners before your time comes with cuts and bleeding which makes vaginal then risky.
If you have anal sex with that WG again you are at risk since anal sex provokes frictions, cuts and bleeding (which is why Gay people are at risk).

Theres not only HIV but many others STDs, some which you can catch at your first uncovered intercourses which will help HIV transmission at a future uncovered sexual intercourse with the same or another HIV positive lady.

Again men are not immune to HIV. There are scenarios which lower your risk a lot on a statistical point of view and other which will raise your risk.

[HorseTrader]

Your below article makes an interesting reading. I am scared to go bareback even though there is lot of desire for the same. All these years I have used condoms. Can you please provide me a link to the article you mentioned that "There was a study done in san Francisco, it was proved straight men can't get HIV from women". I would appreciate the same.

I would also be thankful if punters can provide some more inputs on going bareback. I know it is all one's risk but may be newer research throw more light on the subject.The Czar seems to have left the forum long ago, I’ll contribute what little I remember.

SFCITYCLINIC.ORG publishes a good chunk of STD material. They once had a chart that listed various sex acts and stated how likely it was to transmit various STDs from an infected partner to the uninflected partner. Although I can no longer find that chart, I remember that there is a low transmission rate of HIV from female to male for vaginal sex. It did not state that straight men cannot get HIV from women.

If anybody can find that chart now, I would appreciate a link to it.

[EihTooms]

The Czar seems to have left the forum long ago, Ill contribute what little I remember.

SFCITYCLINIC.ORG publishes a good chunk of STD material. They once had a chart that listed various sex acts and stated how likely it was to transmit various STDs from an infected partner to the uninflected partner. Although I can no longer find that chart, I remember that there is a low transmission rate of HIV from female to male for vaginal sex. It did not state that straight men cannot get HIV from women.

If anybody can find that chart now, I would appreciate a link to it.I don't know about the SFCITYCLINIC.ORG source regarding the risk of various STDs per sex act but the Center For Disease Control produced a list showing the risk of getting HIV per sex act with an HIV-Positive partner. See link below.

For example, a man would have 4 chances in 10,000 or, put another way, 1 chance in 2,500 acts of bareback Vaginal Intercourse with an HIV-Positive woman of being infected by HIV (or engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercourse with 2,500 different HIV-Positive women, I suppose).

However, those figures don't account for co-factors such as whether or not the 1 case out of 2,500 exposures involved a man who was circumsized, did he have an open sore on his penis while engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercouse with his HIV-Positive partner/s, perhaps from another STD infection or, for that matter, how about the possibility that 1 or more gay men per 10,000 survey, research and study subjects simply lied about his being heterosexual and how he must have gotten HIV from engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercourse with a woman and certainly not from engaging in bareback Receptive Anal Sex with an HIV-Positive partner or 10.

According to these CDC studies, the risk of a male or female being infected by HIV from either giving or receiving bareback Oral Sex from an HIV-Positive partner is too Low to warrant a number.

Estimated Per-Act Probability of Acquiring HIV from an Infected Source, by Exposure Act*
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html

[Bad Duck]

Some time ago when I was touring Bangkok, I had the unfortunate event of dealing with the stress of a torn condom. What a nightmare it was because my immature self did not know how to react. I was scared, alone, and felt hopeless. I had to do a lot of research to find the right help and this forum had people come out to give me some advice too. It was a scary time and I know that there are other people that feel the same. I just wanted to say that if you ever go through the same ordeal of a broken condom, first don't panic. There's a lot that can be done so relax. Today while browsing around, I found a great link that can help anyone understand what needs to be done if your condom breaks and how to go about testing yourself. It's not as scary as you think it is.

https://www.bangkokpunters.com/bangkok-hiv-test/

Without the help of this forum, I have to say that I would have been lost. I'm back to safe mongering in my homeland, Mumbai.

I'm more than happy to chat with anyone on PM if you need any advice.

[DzikaBomba]

Prep can be used in the same way as Pep, but since you are worried you might as well go Prep all the way & never worry again.

They deliver directly to the hotel, give it 5 days or so since they come from India.

https://getpreponline.com/shop/

If you are paranoid & must get it right away, go the prep clinic 60 Silom Road next to Boots near Al Saray restaurant, same price but you have to pay extra money for the kidney tests & HIV test.Ordering through this page went very well, also during the pandemic. But now they seem to be offline.

Do you know what happened to them? Or have another reliable source?

[Pokeris]

Ordering through this page went very well, also during the pandemic. But now they seem to be offline.

Do you know what happened to them? Or have another reliable source?I use this website to buy before. They are reliable and good prices.

https://www.greencrosspharmacy.online/prep-en

[StirlingArcher]

Hi,

Any good ladies out there on smooci who are ready for bb?

Before vilisa, phirin and jaajaa used to be ready for it, but those ladies haven't been available after the pandemic.

[NicFrenchy]

Hi,

Any good ladies out there on smooci who are ready for bb?

Before vilisa, phirin and jaajaa used to be ready for it, but those ladies haven't been available after the pandemic.I'm not sure they will openly admit it bud I guess more than half the ladies would be ok to BB, and the other half would for a fee.

Maybe not on the first visit, but once they "know" you and feel comfortable.

[Franciscass]

I don't know about the SFCITYCLINIC.ORG source regarding the risk of various STDs per sex act but the Center For Disease Control produced a list showing the risk of getting HIV per sex act with an HIV-Positive partner. See link below.

For example, a man would have 4 chances in 10,000 or, put another way, 1 chance in 2,500 acts of bareback Vaginal Intercourse with an HIV-Positive woman of being infected by HIV (or engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercourse with 2,500 different HIV-Positive women, I suppose).

However, those figures don't account for co-factors such as whether or not the 1 case out of 2,500 exposures involved a man who was circumsized, did he have an open sore on his penis while engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercouse with his HIV-Positive partner/s, perhaps from another STD infection or, for that matter, how about the possibility that 1 or more gay men per 10,000 survey, research and study subjects simply lied about his being heterosexual and how he must have gotten HIV from engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercourse with a woman and certainly not from engaging in bareback Receptive Anal Sex with an HIV-Positive partner or 10.

According to these CDC studies, the risk of a male or female being infected by HIV from either giving or receiving bareback Oral Sex from an HIV-Positive partner is too Low to warrant a number.Excerpt from study.

"Factors that may decrease the risk include condom use, male circumcision, antiretroviral treatment, and pre-exposure prophylaxis. None of these factors are accounted for in the estimates presented in the table."

This is somewhat confusing. I may be misinterpreting but it seems that the study didn't take into account condom use which is what we are discussing.

Over to you ET.

[EihTooms]

Excerpt from study.

"Factors that may decrease the risk include condom use, male circumcision, antiretroviral treatment, and pre-exposure prophylaxis. None of these factors are accounted for in the estimates presented in the table."

This is somewhat confusing. I may be misinterpreting but it seems that the study didn't take into account condom use which is what we are discussing.

Over to you ET.The comment about what may increase or decrease "risk" of transmission is standard and necessary. It is also separate from the topic of the studies, IMO.

As I read it, all of those figures are based on "exposures", which is defined in the first sentence of the report this way:

"The risk of getting HIV varies widely depending on the type of exposure or behavior (such as sharing needles or having sex without a condom)."

As is the case with every other act listed in that report, such as needle sticks, an "exposure" would mean direct contact without protection.

If they actually studied sexual acts and published results where they had no idea whether 10% or 100% of the respondents had been using condoms with every act or never with any act of Oral, Anal or Vaginal Sex asked about, they would have no basis on which to suggest one takes a higher or lower risk to wear one.

[CaliGuy33]

Anyone know of any reputable STI clinic in Pattaya?

Haven't engaged in any unprotected FS, but have done plenty BBBJ. Have a bump on the johnson, hopefully is nothing, but I want to make sure of it.

Any info helps.

Thanks.

[Vendelo]

Anyone know of any reputable STI clinic in Pattaya?

Haven't engaged in any unprotected FS, but have done plenty BBBJ. Have a bump on the johnson, hopefully is nothing, but I want to make sure of it.

Any info helps.

Thanks.Is it the size of a pinhead? It may multiply quickly. HPV filiform wart. Doc will burn it off.

[PPeterr]

Hi,

First post on this forum, but I've read a lot and really appreciate everyone's willingness to share their knowledge and experiences. Thanks for that.

My question is about oral sex and condom use. I read and understood that the vast majority of people receive and give oral sex without a condom, I think it feels risky, not only in terms of HIV, but other sexually transmitted diseases. Can you who are more experienced help me understand how you think and reason. I'm going to Bangkok and Pattaya for the first time soon and don't really know how to approach it.

Thanks for all the experience.

[Thomas9]

My question is about oral sex and condom use. I read and understood that the vast majority of people receive and give oral sex without a condom, I think it feels risky, not only in terms of HIV, but other sexually transmitted diseases. Can you who are more experienced help me understand how you think and reason. I'm going to Bangkok and Pattaya for the first time soon and don't really know how to approach it.It's all down to personal risk tolerance. Some people are afraid to leave the house. Others enjoy skydiving. Some avoid sex before marriage. Others like to enjoy regular BBFSCIP with strangers.

Taking an international flight in itself carries some risks, including long term health risks. And then there's the risk of taking a taxi in Thailand. Not to mention the air pollution in Bangkok.

My advice would be to read up on the risks (ideally from somewhere with scientific backed data, rather than anecdotes on this forum), and then weigh the risks and make your decision. I imagine factors such as age, existing health conditions, whether you're married, etc. Will affect your appetite for risk.

I will also say that I expect you will be heavily tempted to cross a few of your own personal lines once you are in Thailand.

Know the risks, prepare, but also: enjoy!

[HorseTrader]

I imagine factors such as age, existing health conditions, whether you're married, etc. Will affect your appetite for risk.One of the biggest factors is if you can maintain a boner and finish using a condom. For many, it’s no condom or no sex.

[EihTooms]

Re Unsafe Sex Bragging deleted by Admin]

EDITOR'S NOTE:This report was edited in accordance with the Forum's Posting Guidelines prohibiting the posting of reports inquiring or bragging about Avoiding Safe Sex Practices. Please read: the Forum s & Posting Guidelines for more information. Thanks!I wouldn't want to violate that Policy or Guideline either. But, honestly, I can't find an entry in the Policies & Guidelines section prohibiting or even addressing the acts of inquiring about or bragging about avoiding safe sex practices.

I do see an entry prohibiting bragging about engaging in safe sex practices and quite a bit about not denigrating others for not engaging in safe sex practices though.

Do I just keep missing it in the Policies & Guidelines section? Can you please quote the exact passage where the former Guideline is mentioned rather than the latter?

Thanks much.

[Goatscrot]

I wouldn't want to violate that Policy or Guideline either. But, honestly, I can't find an entry in the Policies & Guidelines section prohibiting or even addressing the acts of inquiring about or bragging about avoiding safe sex practices.

I do see an entry prohibiting bragging about engaging in safe sex practices and quite a bit about not denigrating others for not engaging in safe sex practices though.

Do I just keep missing it in the Policies & Guidelines section? Can you please quote the exact passage where the former Guideline is mentioned rather than the latter?

Thanks much.I think it's a good policy. Shouldn't be bragging about either or.

[EihTooms]

I think it's a good policy. Shouldn't be bragging about either or.Only one of those types of bragging are cited as violations of this website's Policies & Guidelines.

And it is understandable why, imo.

If a poster responds to a question about what the service is like at Such-and-Such Happy Ending PSE Shop, is he "bragging" to reply that it's great, he gets rimming, anal, cum on face, everything he wants with every girl in that shop every time?

Or is he merely replying by relating his experience there?

Similar to gilolo's reply to a poster's question.

The Policies & Guidelines here go to great lengths and into great detail about what is different about bragging about engaging in safe sex practices, denigrating others who don't and why doing so is futile anyway. I don't think any other issue is dealt with so thoroughly.

On the other hand, again, I have yet to locate the Policy or Guideline here prohibiting the mention of getting BBFSCIP or any other sex act deemed unsafe by anyone else, particularly as a reply to a specific question about it rather than as a field report dedicated solely to where to get that, uncovered anal sex or, under some circumstances, DFK, COF, Rimming, etc.

[Goatscrot]

Only one of those types of bragging are cited as violations of this website's Policies & Guidelines.

And it is understandable why, imo.

If a poster responds to a question about what the service is like at Such-and-Such Happy Ending PSE Shop, is he "bragging" to reply that it's great, he gets rimming, anal, cum on face, everything he wants with every girl in that shop every time?

Or is he merely replying by relating his experience there?

Similar to gilolo's reply to a poster's question.

The Policies & Guidelines here go to great lengths and into great detail about what is different about bragging about engaging in safe sex practices, denigrating others who don't and why doing so is futile anyway. I don't think any other issue is dealt with so thoroughly.

On the other hand, again, I have yet to locate the Policy or Guideline here prohibiting the mention of getting BBFSCIP or any other sex act deemed unsafe by anyone else, particularly as a reply to a specific question about it rather than as a field report dedicated solely to where to get that, uncovered anal sex or, under some circumstances, DFK, COF, Rimming, etc.Again, I think it's a good policy to not talk about it either way. Folks that use condoms don't want to constantly read about those who don't in every post or report they put up. In turn, those that don't would rather not hear any preaching about condoms.

[HorseTrader]

Again, I think it's a good policy to not talk about it either way. Folks that use condoms don't want to constantly read about those who don't in every post or report they put up. In turn, those that don't would rather not hear any preaching about condoms.I see no problem if someone posts they did bareback or covered, the problem is bragging. For example, if someone says they banged 90% of the girls in Pattaya and each one was bareback, I would consider that bragging and that post is a nuisance. On the other hand, if such a post stays online, the veterans will immediately realize that it is BS and know that other posts from that particular member are likely to also be BS.

Long ago I directly benefited from such posts, when I did my first mongering visit to Bangkok and experienced only CBJ and CFS my first 2 sessions. I posted what happened and other members flagged that BBBJ is usually available all over Thailand. Of course, I know that now and suspected it at the time, but I benefited directly from that discussion.

[EihTooms]

Again, I think it's a good policy to not talk about it either way. Folks that use condoms don't want to constantly read about those who don't in every post or report they put up. In turn, those that don't would rather not hear any preaching about condoms.I think "preaching" on this website can only apply to posts denigrating or shaming others for not engaging in what they personally deem to be safe sex practices. Wearing condoms ranking high on that list. Perhaps for everything as some punters and many providers certainly argue, right?

Bearing in mind a notable percentage of people in the world consider anything other than strict monogamy and definitely P4 P as "unsafe sex. " Which, if we followed what they think is a good policy this website would not exist at all.

There are posters on the Pattaya Reports forum right now promoting and supporting the idea that "you don't want to kiss" working girls, presumably on the basis that there is something unsafe or disgusting about it and not on the basis that it risks both of you being swept off your feet in love because of it.

Where would "preaching" about supposedly safe sex end on a website like this?

Which is why the Policies & Guidelines here go to great lengths on the issue of "bragging about safe sex practices" as a violation but has virtually nothing to say about mentioning any sexual behavior that is legal.

Moreover, they even go on to explain why my or anyone else's comments or reports about getting bareback sex does not prevent anyone opposed to it from continuing to wear a condom for anything and everything with everyone everytime, avoid DFK, BBBJ or, for that matter, to avoid P4 P altogether if that is what you deem to be safe.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

I see no problem if someone posts they did bareback or covered, the problem is bragging. For example, if someone says they banged 90% of the girls in Pattaya and each one was bareback, I would consider that bragging and that post is a nuisance. On the other hand, if such a post stays online, the veterans will immediately realize that it is BS and know that other posts from that particular member are likely to also be BS.

Long ago I directly benefited from such posts, when I did my first mongering visit to Bangkok and experienced only CBJ and CFS my first 2 sessions. I posted what happened and other members flagged that BBBJ is usually available all over Thailand. Of course, I know that now and suspected it at the time, but I benefited directly from that discussion.Hmmmm.

But.

BUt.

BUT.

90% of the girls I bang are BB.

I rarely don't do BB, as I don't choose to bang the ones that won't.

Am I bragging in saying that?

I don't think so, as I'm not alone in that success rate.

Be I banging arounf my known traps in Rawai, or when traveling in say Bangkok or Hua Hin.

How do I get so much BB?

By knowing how to pick those that will, those that might, and those that won't but did anyway.

BTW.

I very very very rarely pick those that I know will go BB.

Especially avoiding those that openly and easily give it away.

I value my health too much for that.

[Tvataham274]

Hmmmm.

But.

BUt.

BUT.

90% of the girls I bang are BB.

I rarely don't do BB, as I don't choose to bang the ones that won't.

Am I bragging in saying that?

I don't think so, as I'm not alone in that success rate.

Be I banging arounf my known traps in Rawai, or when traveling in say Bangkok or Hua Hin.

How do I get so much BB?

By knowing how to pick those that will, those that might, and those that won't but did anyway.

BTW.

I very very very rarely pick those that I know will go BB.

Especially avoiding those that openly and easily give it away.

I value my health too much for that.Could you clarify? Are you saying that you pick girls who don't look like they would BB, but then convince them to do BB?

[GerryGa]

Could you clarify? Are you saying that you pick girls who don't look like they would BB, but then convince them to do BB?I shouldn't bother but ok, It never fails to amaze me how much traction nonsense posts get on the forum from seemingly otherwise smart members. You got to know when you're being played. Yes BB is readily available hereabouts but only if you put the time and effort in but no way is it standard practice on the part of the girls. Secondly this guy cares about his health but only goes BB most of the time. Enough said.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

I shouldn't bother but ok, It never fails to amaze me how much traction nonsense posts get on the forum from seemingly otherwise smart members. You got to know when you're being played. Yes BB is readily available hereabouts but only if you put the time and effort in but no way is it standard practice on the part of the girls. Secondly this guy cares about his health but only goes BB most of the time. Enough said.Hehehe GG.

The nonsense post IMO was the earlier one that I replied to about bragging.

Was I playing you?

Well actually no, not at all.

You said "you need to put the time and effort in. " and I partially agree with you on that.

It is correct, but just as often, you can put in the time or the effort.

I have used the effort, more like the understanding, knowledge and approach, and achieved it in a single first session,.

Whilst other times, when I have the time, I ave deliberately let it come slowly, progressing to it over a few sessions.

And I can assure you I do care about my health, and still practice BB very very very often.

I have lived in Thailand, and mongered consistently for 7 years now, having done so before that as a frequent visitor for five or so years.

My friends, who follow my activities from outside Thailand call me Houdini, as I've never (yet) caught anything.

I go BB as its actually more natural, with more sensation to both parties involved, and hence generates more involvement, more passion, more GFE if you want to say that.

I guess I'm different to a lot of the mongers on here who are consistently sprouting on about "bad" Thai working women.

I guess the ones they choose and find are, because that's how they are also perceived by the good ones, as bad, and hence also to be avoided.

The "ladydrink" discussion on spending or not spending is a key point in this.

It differentiates to the working girls easily the monger who just wants to fuck, to use them as a receptacle.

And for sure the bad working girls use ladydrinks against you, if you let them do so.

But it's a game, it's always been a game, but it is one were both parties can win.

You have to know the odds, play the game, take the risks, learn from your losses, know when to cut and run, and when to go all in for the prize.

Enough replied.

Happy mongering, or as I call it punting.

P.S. My Phuket thread is quiet, so I have time to bother you big boys here with my "wisdom".

[EihTooms]

Hmmmm.

But.

BUt.

BUT.

90% of the girls I bang are BB.

I rarely don't do BB, as I don't choose to bang the ones that won't.

Am I bragging in saying that?

I don't think so, as I'm not alone in that success rate.

Be I banging arounf my known traps in Rawai, or when traveling in say Bangkok or Hua Hin.

How do I get so much BB?.A 90% success rate in getting BBFSCIP is easy to achieve if, as you do and as I do, we essentially screen the candidates for their likelihood of agreeing to it with us before we commit to taking them. I would not see that as bragging.

However, Horse Trader said, "if someone says they banged 90% of the girls in Pattaya and each one was bareback, I would consider that bragging and that post is a nuisance."

And that isn't the same thing as what we claim.

Like you, I also have never caught any disease, bug or virus from sex in all my mongering years which by now number roughly 45+ with easily 2000+ different bareback sex partners. Not bragging. It should have been more. LOL.

I did have one easily treatable case of trichamoniasis in my pre mongering years at about age 21. From a sweet regular girlfriend I met in college. Not a prostitute.

I really can't say I diligently avoided girls who "openly and easily give it away. " Honestly, I'm not even sure what that is supposed to look and sound like.

In my experience, it is just as likely that cute dental assistant who shared so much fabulous chemistry with me on our first dinner date after meeting her in the dental office that we were locked at the nether region bareback in her living room before we kicked off our shoes had that much chemistry or more with 5 other dental patients earlier in the week. Meanwhile, the Soi 4 street girl who agrees to BBFSCIP before I even finish the question might have agreed to it with me only because she has observed and singled me out in the area as a pretty good candidate for long term repeat income and otherwise says no to it.

Also, I am sure I have had bareback sex with hundreds of women, pro and non pro, who go bareback with every man they date or customer they session with as well as hundreds who are nit picky selective about it. Yet my 45+ year record of bareback mongering without a bug still stands. So I can't say it is because I am so brilliant about choosing well. Lucky, maybe. Brilliant, no.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

A 90% success rate in getting BBFSCIP is easy to achieve if, as you do and as I do, we essentially screen the candidates for their likelihood of agreeing to it with us before we commit to taking them. I would not see that as bragging.

However, Horse Trader said, "if someone says they banged 90% of the girls in Pattaya and each one was bareback, I would consider that bragging and that post is a nuisance."

And that isn't the same thing as what we claim.

Like you, I also have never caught any disease, bug or virus from sex in all my mongering years which by now number roughly 45+ with easily 2000+ different bareback sex partners. Not bragging. It should have been more. LOL.

I did have one easily treatable case of trichamoniasis in my pre mongering years at about age 21. From a sweet regular girlfriend I met in college. Not a prostitute.

I really can't say I diligently avoided girls who "openly and easily give it away. " Honestly, I'm not even sure what that is supposed to look and sound like.

In my experience, it is just as likely that cute dental assistant who shared so much fabulous chemistry with me on our first dinner date after meeting her in the dental office that we were locked at the nether region bareback in her living room before we kicked off our shoes had that much chemistry or more with 5 other dental patients earlier in the week. Meanwhile, the Soi 4 street girl who agrees to BBFSCIP before I even finish the question might have agreed to it with me only because she has observed and singled me out in the area as a pretty good candidate for long term repeat income and otherwise says no to it.

Also, I am sure I have had bareback sex with hundreds of women, pro and non pro, who go bareback with every man they date or customer they session with as well as hundreds who are nit picky selective about it. Yet my 45+ year record of bareback mongering without a bug still stands. So I can't say it is because I am so brilliant about choosing well. Lucky, maybe. Brilliant, no.IMO, 45 years blemish free is not just luck, there is clearly a bit of thought, brilliance even there, in selection.

[Detwing1]

In my experience, it is just as likely that cute dental assistant who shared so much fabulous chemistry with me on our first dinner date after meeting her in the dental office that we were locked at the nether region bareback in her living room before we kicked off our shoes had that much chemistry or more with 5 other dental patients earlier in the week. Meanwhile, the Soi 4 street girl who agrees to BBFSCIP before I even finish the question might have agreed to it with me only because she has observed and singled me out in the area as a pretty good candidate for long term repeat income and otherwise says no to it.

100% spot on.

[Banana Boi]

How many guys on here are actually going to be truthful and say they caught some sort of disease from BBFS or BB anal?

[HorseTrader]

90% of the girls I bang are BB.

I rarely don't do BB, as I don't choose to bang the ones that won't.

Am I bragging in saying that?

I don't think so, as I'm not alone in that success rate.
Over the last couple of years it has been getting more and more difficult for me to use a condom. Now, I almost always pre-arrange for BBFSCIP and still have about 10% to 20% who refuse or squawk about it in the room. If they refuse, I send them away, usually without money. The few times that I don't pre-arrange BBFSCIP, I have about 50% success rate of getting it. The other 50% I end up with just a BBBJ or just a HJ.

Immediately after my session, I always wash thoroughly and piss. I had a nasty case of the clap in 2006 but have been fine since then.

[MohdirFan82]

I recently contracted Chlamydia in Philippines, and even used condom with almost all my encounters.

However never had contracted STD in Thailand.


How many guys on here are actually going to be truthful and say they caught some sort of disease from BBFS or BB anal?

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Over the last couple of years it has been getting more and more difficult for me to use a condom. Now, I almost always pre-arrange for BBFSCIP and still have about 10% to 20% who refuse or squawk about it in the room. If they refuse, I send them away, usually without money. The few times that I don't pre-arrange BBFSCIP, I have about 50% success rate of getting it. The other 50% I end up with just a BBBJ or just a HJ.

Immediately after my session, I always wash thoroughly and piss. I had a nasty case of the clap in 2006 but have been fine since then.I understand and get where you are coming at this from.

But I very very rarely prearrange or discuss BB before leaving for the room, and never discuss CIP.

I feel that doing so and getting agreement would end up with me being with the girls that would do it, and do it often and easily.

And they are not the girls that afterwards I would feel safe doing it with.

When I do discuss it, it is always in a lighthearted way after the girl that has raised using a condom later.

As I said, I want her to want to use a condom, then I want her to allow it as no condom with me, as special.

OK now, go for me, as being delusional of it being only me, LOL.

But remember, I am chasing newbies, so even if it is not just men she does it with, she hasn't got a long time in bar history of BB.

And yes, she could probably have been fucking bareback back home in the village rampantly.

Tho again, that type is not what I seek out, I seek out the quieter ones.

Most of the girls I choose are more scared about getting pregnant.

A concern I easily overcome as I had a vasectomy 35 years ago.

[Goatscrot]

How many guys on here are actually going to be truthful and say they caught some sort of disease from BBFS or BB anal?Probably very few indeed. I'm a condom guy but have on rare occasions over my decades of mongering, not wrapped, and considering the number of times I've contracted something from a slip up, I'd say it's very unlikely that folks who BB all the time can avoid getting an STI on occasion.

I'm also amazed that older folks, I'm no spring chicken myself, are willing to risk getting an sti, because as you get older the chances of it affecting your prostate are much greater. Any infection or irritation in the urinary tract once you're over 50 can present a problem. While I still engage in BBBJ, the main event is always wrapped.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Probably very few indeed. I'm a condom guy but have on rare occasions over my decades of mongering, not wrapped, and considering the number of times I've contracted something from a slip up, I'd say it's very unlikely that folks who BB all the time can avoid getting an STI on occasion.

I'm also amazed that older folks, I'm no spring chicken myself, are willing to risk getting an sti, because as you get older the chances of it affecting your prostate are much greater. Any infection or irritation in the urinary tract once you're over 50 can present a problem. While I still engage in BBBJ, the main event is always wrapped.It is a lottery for sure, Goatscrot, but it is one where you can swing the odds to favour you.

No lies, no BS, in 10 years plus of BB mongering in Thailand, the only thing I have caught was scabies.

And that is passed just from body to body contact, so a condom would not have helped.

[EihTooms]

Probably very few indeed. I'm a condom guy but have on rare occasions over my decades of mongering, not wrapped, and considering the number of times I've contracted something from a slip up, I'd say it's very unlikely that folks who BB all the time can avoid getting an STI on occasion.

I'm also amazed that older folks, I'm no spring chicken myself, are willing to risk getting an sti, because as you get older the chances of it affecting your prostate are much greater. Any infection or irritation in the urinary tract once you're over 50 can present a problem. While I still engage in BBBJ, the main event is always wrapped.I envy you for being able to feel pleasurable sensation enough to keep it up and achieve an orgasm while wearing a condom. I have only managed to do that once since I first had sex at 19. I think it was when I was 21 or 22, don't really remember the year.

That includes trying a dozen different condoms with all the recommended lubes inside, outside and all around them over the years. My most recent test run with a condom was 2-3 years ago with a top-rated and highly recommended lamb skin condom that was touted to be as close to bareback as possible because it is so natural, thin and porous. Consequently, it only protected against pregnancy, probably not necessary for me having gotten a vasectomy, and did nothing to prevent STI / STDs. Said so right on the package. But at least it was a condom.

Still a no go for me. The damage done to my half erect dick from all that accordian squeeze action on it after she finished her cowgirl ride was bad enough to keep me out of action for 5 days while it healed.

I am 70 years old now.

I think the likelihood of someone revealing they got an STI / STD here is fairly high considering we are essentially anonymous except among the few of us who have met in person or have communicated elsewhere.

I think it is even more likely that pro condom crusaders would capitalize on the anonimity to make up a scary story about getting a horrible dose of something as a "for the greater good" tactic.

[Falcon 95]

Like you, I also have never caught any disease, bug or virus from sex in all my mongering years which by now number roughly 45+ with easily 2000+ different bareback sex partners. Not bragging. It should have been more. LOL.

What you say is statistically impossible. It has nothing to do with luck, like you claim.

[Sky Ryder]

Probably very few indeed. I'm a condom guy but have on rare occasions over my decades of mongering, not wrapped, and considering the number of times I've contracted something from a slip up, I'd say it's very unlikely that folks who BB all the time can avoid getting an STI on occasion.

I'm also amazed that older folks, I'm no spring chicken myself, are willing to risk getting an sti, because as you get older the chances of it affecting your prostate are much greater. Any infection or irritation in the urinary tract once you're over 50 can present a problem. While I still engage in BBBJ, the main event is always wrapped.To start, I will say that I have never had BB anal sex. Everyone has to make their own decisions, but for that to happen, it would have to be with someone that I had a reasonable expectation of exclusivity and extensive prior preparation. So not likely to happen in the P4 P world.

As far as BB vaginal sex, I will admit that I have had three cases in about 5+ decades of active sex, the first was at age 19 and was with the second working lady I was ever with. The last time was more than ten years ago. One case of the clap, and two cases of the non-specific type. I don't have a checklist, however am pretty fastidious about pre and post hygiene protocols. As age has increased the lack of sensitivity when using a cover is more pronounced, which I will admit is a factor in my decision process. I have also adjusted my expectations and try to be more holistic when it comes to the actual act of sex. As silly as it sounds, I do make a special effort to take in the sight of a younger, lithe, lady moving in rhythm with me, the curves of her body, the feeling of her skin, the way it feels to hold her ass in my hands if we are in doggy or her hips if it is cowgirl. All the sounds and surroundings if they are special all add to the very pleasant memories that last much longer than the "money shot". Twenty years ago, these things would be a passing notion most times as I went to search for the next opportunity.

I do not plan to eliminate BB from my repertoire, but will continue to make "informed" decisions. Is it a risk, certainly, but one I accept if I wish to participate in this activity.

Only my opinion.

Sky.

[GerryGa]

Look I've been bare backing for over 50 years, right. Never had a problem never expect to. Covered sex is useless vanilla sex for pussies, we lads know what real sex is right and how to get it right. Sure, the fear mongers will tell you it's risky, a danger to your health but so what, its minimal and I'm willing to take that risk, as its my god given right. So what if I might be asymptomatic with say gonorrhea or chlamydia and pass on the infection. Some of us get tested regular some of us don't, no big deal. Some of us have had vasectomies most of us haven't. So what if a girl gets pregnant, she should know better right. Some of us concentrate on the "off the bus" newbies, easy pickings for an experienced dude, a few tequilas, some good times pussy play, get them all hot and bothered, all lust and heat and she can't stop herself. It's natural right. You know she loves it bareback and will be back again the next day for more. With some you got to put in more time but that's part of the fun, right, the chase, right. So what's the big hullaballoo, I'm having a good time, that's all that matters right.

[Amnesia]

How many guys on here are actually going to be truthful and say they caught some sort of disease from BBFS or BB anal?I had plenty STI, including a very nasty one, which, together with a couple of HIV scares, made me largely stop the bareback. I probably fucked bareback whenever I could since I had sex for the first time 25 years ago, including pros and non-pros, in Thailand and in several other countries, including some high-risk encounters (if pros aren't high-risk enough). I always felt anxious when my cock started to leak; I never went for HIV tests until I had to, and then I panicked and was certain that the test must come back positive.

I had a nasty STI a couple of years ago which wouldn't go away but also wouldn't show up on any test, including PCR. At that point you start googling and learn about Mycoplasma Genitalium and Prostatitis (good luck if it's both). I had a hospital here order a new antibiotic from France for me but still have some urinary symptoms as my bladder often doesn't seem to fully empty when I drink a lot. It also caused me loss of libido and erection issues, which could all point towards prostatitis (whether bacterial or non-bacterial who knows). Due to all the antibiotics I took during that time, I got some weeks of diarrhea which made me believe I have HIV (luckily until today I'm negative).

I tried to stop the bareback but had relapses. I tried to at least limit it to non-pros but those seem to cause even more STI these days I feel (I actually only sometimes fuck pros when I'm lazy and prefer non-pros over it, so I had a lot of them over the years). Since that scary STI episode I think I had three STI out of ten bareback fucks, and one wasn't even PIV but just a blowjob. All of them were regular girls I met through dating apps.

I love bareback sex; condoms are a big turnoff for me. But the STI scares just became too much for me and I'm somewhat glad that I'm able to control my urge better now and stopped the bareback sex. Fortunately I love licking pussy, so I usually frequent massage and Kapoo places and enjoy a handjob with the girl sitting on my face.

[Coolie High]

Look I've been bare backing for over 50 years, right. Never had a problem never expect to. Covered sex is useless vanilla sex for pussies, we lads know what real sex is right and how to get it right. Sure, the fear mongers will tell you it's risky, a danger to your health but so what, its minimal and I'm willing to take that risk, as its my god given right. So what if I might be asymptomatic with say gonorrhea or chlamydia and pass on the infection. Some of us get tested regular some of us don't, no big deal. Some of us have had vasectomies most of us haven't. So what if a girl gets pregnant, she should know better right. Some of us concentrate on the "off the bus" newbies, easy pickings for an experienced dude, a few tequilas, some good times pussy play, get them all hot and bothered, all lust and heat and she can't stop herself. It's natural right. You know she loves it bareback and will be back again the next day for more. With some you got to put in more time but that's part of the fun, right, the chase, right. So what's the big hullaballoo, I'm having a good time, that's all that matters right.Wait you're kidding right. Did you just come on here and actually write for ALL the world to see that you could careless if you pass on STDs to other people. Are you NUTS? Thats absolutely F $$#ING disgusting. Anyone who has that mentality is a certified douchebag and are adding on to the pile of shit the world is already in. I don't like condoms like everybody else but do your part and man up and take care of your health and stop spreading dieases.

Have a good time but don't be collasal prick that only cares about his nut, disregarding getting females pregnant while literally being a walking vineral diease 🤮 Don't be that guy!!

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Look I've been bare backing for over 50 years, right. Never had a problem never expect to. Covered sex is useless vanilla sex for pussies, we lads know what real sex is right and how to get it right. Sure, the fear mongers will tell you it's risky, a danger to your health but so what, its minimal and I'm willing to take that risk, as its my god given right. So what if I might be asymptomatic with say gonorrhea or chlamydia and pass on the infection. Some of us get tested regular some of us don't, no big deal. Some of us have had vasectomies most of us haven't. So what if a girl gets pregnant, she should know better right. Some of us concentrate on the "off the bus" newbies, easy pickings for an experienced dude, a few tequilas, some good times pussy play, get them all hot and bothered, all lust and heat and she can't stop herself. It's natural right. You know she loves it bareback and will be back again the next day for more. With some you got to put in more time but that's part of the fun, right, the chase, right. So what's the big hullaballoo, I'm having a good time, that's all that matters right.So your point is exactly what GG?

Or are you just playing us to up your post count?

Where do you actually stand on the question of bareback or not?

Because the above commentary from you just sounds like a rehash of my, and others, posted validation of our thinking and positions.

So, if you're just here to be anonymously argumentative, a troll per se, please move along and go play elsewhere.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

To start, I will say that I have never had BB anal sex. Everyone has to make their own decisions, but for that to happen, it would have to be with someone that I had a reasonable expectation of exclusivity and extensive prior preparation. So not likely to happen in the P4 P world.

As far as BB vaginal sex, I will admit that I have had three cases in about 5+ decades of active sex, the first was at age 19 and was with the second working lady I was ever with. The last time was more than ten years ago. One case of the clap, and two cases of the non-specific type. I don't have a checklist, however am pretty fastidious about pre and post hygiene protocols. As age has increased the lack of sensitivity when using a cover is more pronounced, which I will admit is a factor in my decision process. I have also adjusted my expectations and try to be more holistic when it comes to the actual act of sex. As silly as it sounds, I do make a special effort to take in the sight of a younger, lithe, lady moving in rhythm with me, the curves of her body, the feeling of her skin, the way it feels to hold her ass in my hands if we are in doggy or her hips if it is cowgirl. All the sounds and surroundings if they are special all add to the very pleasant memories that last much longer than the "money shot". Twenty years ago, these things would be a passing notion most times as I went to search for the next opportunity.

I do not plan to eliminate BB from my repertoire, but will continue to make "informed" decisions. Is it a risk, certainly, but one I accept if I wish to participate in this activity.

Only my opinion.

Sky.Your position enunciated above on this is understandable given your reasoning explained.

Enjoy your punting.

For me, also being an older man, it is not at all about the money shot, far far far from it.

The chase, the seduction, the journey as it unfolds, the pleasure given, and the look of it in her eyes, her sounds, her voice, and her actions.

Her wanting to be totally, naturally there with me, that is what I look for and savor when found and fully experienced.

That is my addiction, not the fucking.

[Goatscrot]

To start, I will say that I have never had BB anal sex. Everyone has to make their own decisions, but for that to happen, it would have to be with someone that I had a reasonable expectation of exclusivity and extensive prior preparation. So not likely to happen in the P4 P world.

As far as BB vaginal sex, I will admit that I have had three cases in about 5+ decades of active sex, the first was at age 19 and was with the second working lady I was ever with. The last time was more than ten years ago. One case of the clap, and two cases of the non-specific type. I don't have a checklist, however am pretty fastidious about pre and post hygiene protocols. As age has increased the lack of sensitivity when using a cover is more pronounced, which I will admit is a factor in my decision process. I have also adjusted my expectations and try to be more holistic when it comes to the actual act of sex. As silly as it sounds, I do make a special effort to take in the sight of a younger, lithe, lady moving in rhythm with me, the curves of her body, the feeling of her skin, the way it feels to hold her ass in my hands if we are in doggy or her hips if it is cowgirl. All the sounds and surroundings if they are special all add to the very pleasant memories that last much longer than the "money shot". Twenty years ago, these things would be a passing notion most times as I went to search for the next opportunity.

I do not plan to eliminate BB from my repertoire, but will continue to make "informed" decisions. Is it a risk, certainly, but one I accept if I wish to participate in this activity.

Only my opinion.

Sky.Pushing 60's here. Can't say my sensitivity had decreased, but I drink minimally, don't smoke, eat healthy, and have been a regular with exercise, both strength and cardio, since the early 90's. And believe me, it makes a difference.

[Goatscrot]

Look I've been bare backing for over 50 years, right. Never had a problem never expect to. Covered sex is useless vanilla sex for pussies, we lads know what real sex is right and how to get it right. Sure, the fear mongers will tell you it's risky, a danger to your health but so what, its minimal and I'm willing to take that risk, as its my god given right. So what if I might be asymptomatic with say gonorrhea or chlamydia and pass on the infection. Some of us get tested regular some of us don't, no big deal. Some of us have had vasectomies most of us haven't. So what if a girl gets pregnant, she should know better right. Some of us concentrate on the "off the bus" newbies, easy pickings for an experienced dude, a few tequilas, some good times pussy play, get them all hot and bothered, all lust and heat and she can't stop herself. It's natural right. You know she loves it bareback and will be back again the next day for more. With some you got to put in more time but that's part of the fun, right, the chase, right. So what's the big hullaballoo, I'm having a good time, that's all that matters right.Certainly hoping this is sarcasm.

[GerryGa]

Certainly hoping this is sarcasm.Of course it is, perhaps with a touch of irony.

This was simply a parody, a synopsis of what proponents of barebacking have been posting forever. It illustrates in my humble opinion not the issue of the absolute right of consenting adults to engage in whatever they choose with each other but rather the danger working girls face particularly those newly arrived who have insufficient knowledge of contraception or the risks associated with contracting a STD.

[GerryGa]

Wait you're kidding right. Did you just come on here and actually write for ALL the world to see that you could careless if you pass on STDs to other people. Are you NUTS? Thats absolutely F $$#ING disgusting. Anyone who has that mentality is a certified douchebag and are adding on to the pile of shit the world is already in. I don't like condoms like everybody else but do your part and man up and take care of your health and stop spreading dieases.

Have a good time but don't be collasal prick that only cares about his nut, disregarding getting females pregnant while literally being a walking vineral diease 🤮 Don't be that guy!!I refer you to my reply to fellow member Goatscrot.

[NicFrenchy]

I needed a laugh today and all the BB posts were highly entertaining.

Ok, so here goes:

- a lot of girls are already in full BB mode with Somchai their BF (you know, the brother who always has motorcycle accidents).

- 99% of girls will do BB if asked, the smart ones will ask for an extra tip, others will gladly do it right off the bat.

Most Shops do not test their ladies, they however ask the ladies for a test every XX months, but it's easy for them to buy a fake one (or at least, it used to be).

We all partake in this hobby and should be OK with the risks that some with it; disease, scam, police (yes, it's still illegal and they can shake you for money if they feel like it).

Protect yourself as best you can and have fun.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Of course it is, perhaps with a touch of irony.

This was simply a parody, a synopsis of what proponents of barebacking have been posting forever. It illustrates in my humble opinion not the issue of the absolute right of consenting adults to engage in whatever they choose with each other but rather the danger working girls face particularly those newly arrived who have insufficient knowledge of contraception or the risks associated with contracting a STD.Be careful you don't fall off there.

Anyway, a thank you first for finally making your position known.

As to your argument, well you start it OK, in that everyone involved is a consenting adult, or at least should be on both counts.

Then you go off the rails basing it on the premise that newly arrived working girls are likely to "have insufficient knowledge of contraception or the risks associated with contracting a STD".

Really?

Have you ever met these Thai Isaan girls you are passing judgement about?

Have you ever really talked with them about things, about their understandings, their life, in Thai?

I have, and do so pretty much every time.

Be they an 18,19 yo, or young 20's, or even late 20's and into their 30's coming to work a bar for the first time, they are generally the same.

Single mothers, either teens with a young child (1-2 yo), early 20's with children, or older with teenagers of their own.

They're not naive pampered entitled Western girls and young women.

They know very well about contraception, morning after pills, pregnancy and child birth, and also about the risks of STD's.

The insinuation you make is that these girls are preyed upon by people like 'me".

That people like "me" are evil, manipulating the situation with alcohol, sexual lust, money or power games, to have them abandon safe practices.

And well I can't speak for all, as yes there are horrible sexual predators out there.

But that picture you paint and post in your responses is not me, nor is it anyone of those similar thinking "me's" that I know enough about to judge.

I could go on, and explain more, by necessity sharing too much of my personal situation and experiences.

But I know that would likely mostly be wasted effort on those who share your views and humble opinions.

Instead I will stop there, and allow those sitting on the fence to make their own judgments, based on hearing something factual on both sides of the argument.

[HorseTrader]

IMHO, there are at least 2 moral issues related to BB punting.

1. Pregnancy. Either have a vasectomy or be sure she is using something to prevent pregnancy. Many punters consider this a non-problem because the father will never be found and he won't get stuck with child raising effort or expenses. That is still your child, you are the father whether you know the child exists or not.

2. Disease. BB punters all need to be tested frequently. Never participate in BB sex if you feel anything abnormal in your urinary system.

If we all do these two things, the girl can make her decision to move forward with BB or decline.

[EihTooms]

Look I've been bare backing for over 50 years, right. Never had a problem never expect to. Covered sex is useless vanilla sex for pussies, we lads know what real sex is right and how to get it right. Sure, the fear mongers will tell you it's risky, a danger to your health but so what, its minimal and I'm willing to take that risk, as its my god given right. So what if I might be asymptomatic with say gonorrhea or chlamydia and pass on the infection. Some of us get tested regular some of us don't, no big deal. Some of us have had vasectomies most of us haven't. So what if a girl gets pregnant, she should know better right. Some of us concentrate on the "off the bus" newbies, easy pickings for an experienced dude, a few tequilas, some good times pussy play, get them all hot and bothered, all lust and heat and she can't stop herself. It's natural right. You know she loves it bareback and will be back again the next day for more. With some you got to put in more time but that's part of the fun, right, the chase, right. So what's the big hullaballoo, I'm having a good time, that's all that matters right.Look I have been mongering for over 50 years, right. Never had a problem never expect to. Meaningful personal relationships carefully developed over time before having sex for love or mutual pleasure is for pussies. We lads know sex for money is the only way to go. Sure, the moralists will tell you it's risky, deprives us and our partners of essential human relations and the spiritual rewards of true love and genuine affection. In all probability the ladies whose bodies we rent will be sidelined from the mainstream of society, squander critical years of potential education opportunities and career advancement that often handicaps them for a lifetime, regulating them to a bleak middle and old age of grinding poverty. Then there is the inevitable effect of the alcohol we ply them with on a nightly basis and the drugs they have to take just to make it from one sex customer to another. But that's there problem. By the time they reach an age where all of that comes crashing in on them we are well out of their lives and never see them anymore. No need to even mention how our mongering cheats and makes fools of our supposed "significant others" back home, saddling them with only a phony version of those silly vows we either pledged or implied along the way in order to convince them to partner with us. We had a good time, that's all that matters right.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

IMHO, there are at least 2 moral issues related to BB punting.

1. Pregnancy. Either have a vasectomy or be sure she is using something to prevent pregnancy. Many punters consider this a non-problem because the father will never be found and he won't get stuck with child raising effort or expenses. That is still your child, you are the father whether you know the child exists or not.

2. Disease. BB punters all need to be tested frequently. Never participate in BB sex if you feel anything abnormal in your urinary system.

If we all do these two things, the girl can make her decision to move forward with BB or decline.Agree, HorseTrader, that is well outlined.

And for the record, I have on #1, and do on #2.

[Sammon]

IMHO, there are at least 2 moral issues related to BB punting.

1. Pregnancy. Either have a vasectomy or be sure she is using something to prevent pregnancy. Many punters consider this a non-problem because the father will never be found and he won't get stuck with child raising effort or expenses. That is still your child, you are the father whether you know the child exists or not.

2. Disease. BB punters all need to be tested frequently. Never participate in BB sex if you feel anything abnormal in your urinary system.

If we all do these two things, the girl can make her decision to move forward with BB or decline.To add to this there are lots of scams. Girl will claim you are the father and tries play on your heart strings. Do not be a wimp. You are not the only guy she is having BB sex with. Testing frequently is a good idea.

[Goatscrot]

Be careful you don't fall off there.

Anyway, a thank you first for finally making your position known.

As to your argument, well you start it OK, in that everyone involved is a consenting adult, or at least should be on both counts.

Then you go off the rails basing it on the premise that newly arrived working girls are likely to "have insufficient knowledge of contraception or the risks associated with contracting a STD".

Really?

Have you ever met these Thai Isaan girls you are passing judgement about?

Have you ever really talked with them about things, about their understandings, their life, in Thai?

I have, and do so pretty much every time.

Be they an 18,19 yo, or young 20's, or even late 20's and into their 30's coming to work a bar for the first time, they are generally the same..You'd be surprised at the lack of knowledge about STDs among Thais. I've seen girls who had quite a few genital warts and they thought absolutely nothing was wrong with them. I've also seen girls with open herpes lesions that had no idea what was going on. I will agree that the majority of them know about many different forms of contraception, but when It comes to STIs they are not well informed. Mind you this comes from two decades plus living and mongering in Thailand.

[Goatscrot]

I needed a laugh today and all the BB posts were highly entertaining.

Ok, so here goes:

- a lot of girls are already in full BB mode with Somchai their BF (you know, the brother who always has motorcycle accidents).

- 99% of girls will do BB if asked, the smart ones will ask for an extra tip, others will gladly do it right off the bat.

Most Shops do not test their ladies, they however ask the ladies for a test every XX months, but it's easy for them to buy a fake one (or at least, it used to be).

We all partake in this hobby and should be OK with the risks that some with it; disease, scam, police (yes, it's still illegal and they can shake you for money if they feel like it).

Protect yourself as best you can and have fun.All so true. Yup, protect yourself as best you can.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

You'd be surprised at the lack of knowledge about STDs among Thais. I've seen girls who had quite a few genital warts and they thought absolutely nothing was wrong with them. I've also seen girls with open herpes lesions that had no idea what was going on. I will agree that the majority of them know about many different forms of contraception, but when It comes to STIs they are not well informed. Mind you this comes from two decades plus living and mongering in Thailand.I'm not surprised by anything in Thailand.

I left my naivete behind a long time ago, accepting that I'm not in Kansas anymore.

As to what you've found, well I guess that is quite likely if you monger in the bargain basement spots.

As to me, in my 10 years in Thailand I have rarely unwrapped a companion and found a bad pussy, those being smelly most often.

As I have never found visible issues, warts, lesions, as you put it.

Like I've said all the way through, I am selective, very selective spending time and effort to progress things.

And with that I guess any with such issues it seems for me get culled long before any likely action occurs.

[Goatscrot]

I'm not surprised by anything in Thailand.

I left my naivete behind a long time ago, accepting that I'm not in Kansas anymore.

As to what you've found, well I guess that is quite likely if you monger in the bargain basement spots.

As to me, in my 10 years in Thailand I have rarely unwrapped a companion and found a bad pussy, those being smelly most often.

As I have never found visible issues, warts, lesions, as you put it.

Like I've said all the way through, I am selective, very selective spending time and effort to progress things.

And with that I guess any with such issues it seems for me get culled long before any likely action occurs.Happend. To me in parking basement spots and pricey spots. Let's remember folks here don't get the same type of sex ed we do in the West. And of course when I find something afoul I don't proceed.

Remember what's in herpes lesions can also be internal and both can be very small. And in many cases a condom isn't going to protect you from contracting those.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Happend. To me in parking basement spots and pricey spots. Let's remember folks here don't get the same type of sex ed we do in the West. And of course when I find something afoul I don't proceed.

Remember what's in herpes lesions can also be internal and both can be very small. And in many cases a condom isn't going to protect you from contracting those.Correct, condoms don't protect you at all from a lot of potential STI's, herpes, warts, scabies, many others.

And then we add back in that all STI's can also be caught from natural oral sex, blowjobs and DATY.

Albeit at a lower likelihood and hence risk, but still can be and are often caught.

So riddle me this.

Do you wrap everything, your whole body, condom on your cock, gloves on your hand, and covid masks?

Leaving just your covered cock to peek out and enter her, no other body to body contact at all?

Yes, I am being stupid, going to an extreme, but.

I would say covered sex with the wrong women healthwise, is just as likely to give you problems as bareback sex with the right women.

Tho I would argue the wrong woman is always riskier.

In my opinion a condom doesn't protect you that much at all.

A good low risk selection criteria and screening process is much better.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Look I have been mongering for over 50 years, right. Never had a problem never expect to. Meaningful personal relationships carefully developed over time before having sex for love or mutual pleasure is for pussies. We lads know sex for money is the only way to go. Sure, the moralists will tell you it's risky, deprives us and our partners of essential human relations and the spiritual rewards of true love and genuine affection. In all probability the ladies whose bodies we rent will be sidelined from the mainstream of society, squander critical years of potential education opportunities and career advancement that often handicaps them for a lifetime, regulating them to a bleak middle and old age of grinding poverty. Then there is the inevitable effect of the alcohol we ply them with on a nightly basis and the drugs they have to take just to make it from one sex customer to another. But that's there problem. By the time they reach an age where all of that comes crashing in on them we are well out of their lives and never see them anymore. No need to even mention how our mongering cheats and makes fools of our supposed "significant others" back home, saddling them with only a phony version of those silly vows we either pledged or implied along the way in order to convince them to partner with us. We had a good time, that's all that matters right.Is that plagiarism buried in sarcasm ET?

I think some may have missed it.

But this tired out bemused Phuket scuba diver didn't. LOL.

100 post only, pfffttt, newbie pussy.

[EihTooms]

Is that plagiarism buried in sarcasm ET?

I think some may have missed it.

But this tired out bemused Phuket scuba diver didn't. LOL.

100 post only, pfffttt, newbie pussy.My reply to your earlier comment about it should appear in the Bangkok Reports thread where the original still resides after it passes the usual several hours of Moderation each and every one of my posts have inexplicably required for the past, oh, 3-4 years.

If it passes all the proper and rigorously fairly enforced Moderation standards and practices, that is.

[Bunky]

Washington Post, July 24,2023.

Public health officials are deploying a powerful new weapon in the war against rising sexually transmitted infections: a common antibiotic that works as a morning-after pill.

It is the latest advancement as the sexual health field shifts to preventive medicine — not just condoms, abstinence and tests — as the best hope for quashing the pathogens that can spread during sex.

For the past decade, people have been able to have unprotected sex with a low risk of contracting HIV thanks to daily pills known as PrEP, or pre-exposure prophylaxis. But they were still susceptible to bacterial bugs, including the recent spike in syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia — until now.

Recent studies show the antibiotic doxycycline taken after sexual encounters works as a post-exposure prophylaxis to prevent those infections. But experts are also worried about unintended consequences. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention plans to release guidelines later this summer for deploying the treatment, known as DoxyPEP, in hopes of addressing fears among medical professionals that preventive use would fuel antibiotic resistance — and the rise of drug-resistant superbugs.

"It's the first major intervention we've had for STIs since the vaccine for human papillomavirus" nearly two decades ago, said Jonathan Mermin, who leads STI prevention for the CDC. "But it is a new intervention, and because of that, there are potential benefits and potential risks. ".

Doctors, public health officials and sexual health clinics have embraced preventive pills as a realistic way to curb STIs because they preserve pleasure while protecting partners. Some doctors have started prescribing it to a narrow segment of the gay community considered at elevated risk for STIs.

"Just like PrEP was a game changer, this empowers individuals to make choices about their sexual health," said Jorge Roman, senior director of clinical services at the San Francisco AIDS Foundation, one of the first to widely distribute DoxyPEP. "It doesn't always have to be about condoms. ".

Doxycycline is already used as a front-line antibiotic treatment for chlamydia and occasionally for syphilis and gonorrhea. But its use for prevention has drawn concerns that it would no longer be effective in patients who use it regularly and that it may facilitate the evolution of antibiotic-resistant strains of the pathogens.

The drug's proponents say these concerns are overblown because the criteria for eligibility are often narrow: Transgender women and men who have sex with men — and only if they have condomless sex and contracted an STI in the preceding year.

Those were the demographics recruited for a study of 500 patients in San Francisco and Seattle that found DoxyPEP effective. The study found a roughly 65 percent reduction in syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia cases in those who used the antibiotic between 2019 and 2022, mirroring similar results from European studies.

Another study of DoxyPEP use by cisgender women in Kenya between 2020 and 2022 did not find the treatment effective, a result that surprised and stumped researchers. Anatomical differences could play a role, but health officials say other studies suggest doxycycline becomes concentrated enough in vaginal fluid to confer protection against STIs.

Experts say it's too early to conclude that DoxyPEP won't work for women and more research is needed. Another possible explanation is women enrolled in the Kenyan study may not have consistently used doxycycline after sex. Researchers note early studies that found PrEP ineffective in protecting African women from HIV were eventually explained by poor adherence to the drug regimen rather than biological differences.

Researchers studying DoxyPEP are scrutinizing whether it could also render antibiotic treatments less effective. The USA Study found a slight increase in antibacterial resistance, which the study's authors said merits long-term attention. But they also said the finding should be tempered by the fact doctors would also be administering fewer antibiotics if people avoid catching and spreading STIs.

David Hyun, director of the Antibiotic Resistance Project at The Pew Charitable Trusts, said he was concerned by patients in the study using DoxyPEP as frequently as 20 times a month. More data is needed to understand the long-term effects — for individuals as well as broader communities, he said.

"If you keep exposing a patient to antibiotics like doxycycline, you are raising the risk of that patient being colonized or infected with a resistant strain sometime in the future," Hyun said.

Some LGBTQ+ health providers suspect doctors may be using antibiotic resistance concerns to mask discomfort with condomless gay sex. They note that syphilis has yet to become resistant to penicillin since the antibiotic became the front-line treatment for the STI in the 1940's. And they point out doxycycline is widely used for other reasons, including long-term acne treatment and malaria prevention.

"We have used doxycycline for multiple other things," Shira Heisler, medical director of the Detroit Public Health STD Clinic, said during a May conference of the National Coalition of STD Directors. "And I think specifically now being like, 'We are not going to do it because of antimicrobial resistance' when it's specifically related to STIs is a good time to call out, 'This is what stigma is. This is what bias is. '.

Proponents of DoxyPEP said it offers a long-needed solution to a spike in STIs. The CDC recorded more than 2. 5 million cases of syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia in 2021, up from 1. 8 million in 2011.

In 2021,36 percent of syphilis and gonorrhea cases were in men who have sex with men, according to the CDC. The CDC says these disparities cannot be explained by differences in sexual behavior alone. When people have a smaller pool of potential sexual partners with higher rates of STIs, they are more likely to have sex with someone with an infection. Cases in cisgender women and heterosexual men have also been rising.

Experts say everyone would benefit from DoxyPEP being limited to those most at risk because that would break chains of transmission early and reduce the likelihood of infections spreading more broadly.

Some physicians say allowing people to have worry-free sex is a worthy goal on its own.

"My goal as a physician is to make sure my patients are able to have whatever type of sex they want and however much sex they want as safely as possible," said Boghuma Kabisen Titanji, an infectious diseases specialist in Atlanta. "And if DoxyPEP would allow them to do it, then I have no problem offering it. ".

Nick, a 35-year-old resident of Lafayette, Ind. , said he recently started taking DoxyPEP for peace of mind, knowing he would be less likely to get an infection as he has frequent condomless sex.

HIV was no longer a concern because he has been taking PrEP for a decade, said Nick, who spoke on the condition that his last name not be used so he could candidly discuss his sex life. But he has endured uncomfortable bouts of syphilis and chlamydia.

"If you are taking HIV PrEP, why not take another extra kind of safeguard too?" he said. "It's like a security blanket. ".

As the country considers how widely to distribute DoxyPEP, public health officials and activists are worried it will be the latest medical advancement to roll out in an inequitable way, following similar racial gaps seen with PrEP and mpox vaccinations. Federal officials say PrEP users are disproportionately White even though most new HIV cases are in Black and Latino people. The CDC estimates that most mpox cases have been in Black and Latino men, but only a third of vaccine doses have gone to them.

LGBTQ+ health providers are already reporting disparities, with White patients more likely to ask about DoxyPEP and Black and Latino patients less likely to be familiar with it.

During a discussion about DoxyPEP at the STD conference, one state health official noted that those who can afford to travel to Puerto Vallarta, a popular vacation destination among some gay Americans, can buy doxycycline to stockpile for themselves and their friends because the antibiotic is available over the counter in Mexico. But experts say concerns about antibiotic resistance would make it difficult for over-the-counter sales to occur in the United States.

Mermin, the CDC official, said equity is a top concern as the agency crafts its guidance for the use of DoxyPEP. It would be essential to ensure the medication is available in clinics serving people at the highest risk for STIs, he said, and to raise awareness outside of medical settings, such as on dating apps.

In London, Joey Knock said he started buying DoxyPEP outside of official channels, a common practice among some gay Europeans, last winter after regular bouts of gonorrhea.

But he limits his use to higher-risk nights, such as when he has unprotected sex in dark rooms with strangers.

"I'm someone who was averaging an STI a month," Knock, 33, said. "I've done the risk analysis for me, but it also benefits other people if me taking DoxyPEP means I don't get chlamydia, then I don't pass chlamydia around. ".

In San Francisco, the first major jurisdiction where public health officials recommended DoxyPEP, providers noticed patients taking a similar approach: Using it after higher-risk sexual encounters rather than every encounter.

"We need to do more analysis to see if that could be making DoxyPEP less effective or if perhaps people are making really good decisions about when to use it," said Stephanie Cohen, who leads STI prevention for the San Francisco Department of Public Health.

The San Francisco AIDS Foundation, which says it has connected more than 1,800 people to DoxyPEP, does not limit the antibiotic to people who have recently contracted a sexually transmitted infection, but counsels patients on the unknown risks of antibiotic resistance.

Anu Hazra, co-medical director of Howard Brown Health, an LGBTQ+ health provider in Chicago, said antimicrobial resistance is "probably the largest public health threat we have" but doxycycline for a small group of people pales in comparison to the rampant use of antibiotics in the meat industry and other sectors.

He and other experts say vaccines to prevent STIs could be another game-changer that does not carry the same baggage as antibiotics. A recent study showing that a vaccine for meningitis can also reduce the likelihood of contracting gonorrhea offers promise on that front. But DoxyPEP offers an immediate solution to an ongoing problem and could be pared back if antibiotic resistance emerges, Hazra said.

"We are seeing rising rates of STIs across the board for nearly a decade now. What we are doing now is not working," Hazra said. "We need to try something new. ".

[HorseTrader]

Washington Post, July 24,2023.

Public health officials are deploying a powerful new weapon in the war against rising sexually transmitted infections: a common antibiotic that works as a morning-after pill. ....Interesting article, thanks for posting it. Here are a couple of additional comments. First, for years I used long term daily doxycycline for skin problems, there were no known adverse effects. Second, long ago I read an article regarding the contents of a health department "rape kit", which contains everything necessary for situations where somebody reports a rape. One of the items in the rape kit was a single 250 mg azithromycin tablet, presumably to prevent bacterial infections. I don't know if that was a universal rape kit or just for that particular health department.

It seems reasonable to consider using an appropriate "morning after" antibiotic for those who participate in BB.

[Vicky Cooper]

So I recently underwent an endoscopy after months of constant burping & indigestion, burning in the upper abdomen. Turns out I am infected with H. Pylori and have been prescribed a proton pump inhibitor (Pantoprazol 40 MG twice a day) and antibiotics (Amoxcillan 1000 MG twice a day + Clarithromycin 500 MG twice a day) for 2 weeks. Two days into the course of medications & already feeling better.

Just wanted to know if DATY and kissing can cause H. Pylori infection. Never had stomach problems prior to my mongering days.

[Goatscrot]

So I recently underwent an endoscopy after months of constant burping & indigestion, burning in the upper abdomen. Turns out I am infected with H. Pylori and have been prescribed a proton pump inhibitor (Pantoprazol 40 MG twice a day) and antibiotics (Amoxcillan 1000 MG twice a day + Clarithromycin 500 MG twice a day) for 2 weeks. Two days into the course of medications & already feeling better.

Just wanted to know if DATY and kissing can cause H. Pylori infection. Never had stomach problems prior to my mongering days.Been there, done that, in the early 00's. No idea how I picked it up, but after the course of the triple therapy I felt about 80% better and then over the next couple months returned to 100%.

[WonderWhy]

So I recently underwent an endoscopy after months of constant burping & indigestion, burning in the upper abdomen. Turns out I am infected with H. Pylori and have been prescribed a proton pump inhibitor (Pantoprazol 40 MG twice a day) and antibiotics (Amoxcillan 1000 MG twice a day + Clarithromycin 500 MG twice a day) for 2 weeks. Two days into the course of medications & already feeling better.

Just wanted to know if DATY and kissing can cause H. Pylori infection. Never had stomach problems prior to my mongering days.I don't know if DATY and kising can cause H. Pylori infection. When I got it I was not doing either of those things. I cured it myself. I purchased some food grade Diatomaceous Earth and took a spoon full in a glass of water at least once per day for 6 weeks. I travel a lot and was afraid TSA would stop me for the white powder but I labeled it and never had an issue.

I hope the antibiotics work well for you.

[Geneva Guy]

So I recently underwent an endoscopy after months of constant burping & indigestion, burning in the upper abdomen. Turns out I am infected with H. Pylori and have been prescribed a proton pump inhibitor (Pantoprazol 40 MG twice a day) and antibiotics (Amoxcillan 1000 MG twice a day + Clarithromycin 500 MG twice a day) for 2 weeks. Two days into the course of medications & already feeling better.

Just wanted to know if DATY and kissing can cause H. Pylori infection. Never had stomach problems prior to my mongering days.No it cannot. Pussy doesn't have H pylorii nor does the mouth.

[SiamMan]

No it cannot. Pussy doesn't have H pylorii nor does the mouth.Don't know about pussy, but H pylori can be passed on through direct contact with saliva. For example:

Causes: H. Pylori infection occurs when H. Pylori bacteria infect your stomach. H. pylori bacteria are usually passed from person to person through direct contact with saliva, vomit or stool. H. pylori may also be spread through contaminated food or water. The exact way H. Pylori bacteria causes gastritis or a peptic ulcer in some people is still unknown.

[Werqweq]

Washington Post, July 24,2023.

Public health officials are deploying a powerful new weapon in the war against rising sexually transmitted infections: a common antibiotic that works as a morning-after pill.

Stuff like this is the reason I sometimes still read this thread. Thanks for posting.

[Param Ahmad]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, HSV PCR test is more definitive and conclusive test than IgG & IgM methods, Isn't it? My understanding is that PCR test directly looks for virus. A Venereologist I consulted last year in Bangalore - India, told me not to get tested for HSV (for both the strains I & II) when having cold or flu because it can give false-positive results for both IgG & IgM methods.Kary Mullis, the inventor of the polymerase chain reaction "test" (PCR), for which he received the Nobel prize in chemistry in 1993, PCR being a technique used to amplify DNA and detect viruses, said ". . . . with the PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody. " See https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/01/14/fact-check-kary-mullis-quote-pcr-tests-outdated-lacks-context/9198197002/ for this quote. For this reason, the PCR is not a valid test for illness, HSV, COVID-19, or any other illness, despite its accuracy in detecting genetic sequences of viruses. The finding of a virus in a sample taken from a sick person does not prove symptoms were caused by that virus unless, perhaps, you also get a negative test for every other conceivable cause of the symptoms. Therefore, all the numbers you see for prevalence of HIV or SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19 or any other illness based on PCR "tests" are misleading and invalid.

[Amnesia]

Kary Mullis, the inventor of the polymerase chain reaction "test" (PCR), for which he received the Nobel prize in chemistry in 1993, PCR being a technique used to amplify DNA and detect viruses, said ". . . . with the PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody. " See https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/01/14/fact-check-kary-mullis-quote-pcr-tests-outdated-lacks-context/9198197002/ for this quote. For this reason, the PCR is not a valid test for illness, HSV, COVID-19, or any other illness, despite its accuracy in detecting genetic sequences of viruses. The finding of a virus in a sample taken from a sick person does not prove symptoms were caused by that virus unless, perhaps, you also get a negative test for every other conceivable cause of the symptoms. Therefore, all the numbers you see for prevalence of HIV or SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19 or any other illness based on PCR "tests" are misleading and invalid.Amazing that more than three years after COVID started the Covidiots still haven't learned a bit and continue to spread their pseudoscience nonsense.

Why don't you just keep it for yourself and bang some chicks that tested positive for HIV or Gonnorhea but just aren't ill from it yet.

[Explorer8939]

Kary Mullis, the inventor of the polymerase chain reaction "test" (PCR), for which he received the Nobel prize in chemistry in 1993, PCR being a technique used to amplify DNA and detect viruses, said ". . . . with the PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody. " See https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/01/14/fact-check-kary-mullis-quote-pcr-tests-outdated-lacks-context/9198197002/ for this quote. For this reason, the PCR is not a valid test for illness, HSV, COVID-19, or any other illness, despite its accuracy in detecting genetic sequences of viruses. The finding of a virus in a sample taken from a sick person does not prove symptoms were caused by that virus unless, perhaps, you also get a negative test for every other conceivable cause of the symptoms. Therefore, all the numbers you see for prevalence of HIV or SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19 or any other illness based on PCR "tests" are misleading and invalid.You are 50% correct. PCR indeed is a technique to amplify DNA. But the standard "PCR test" also includes a second component, an agent to look in that amplified DNA for the Covid virus.

That's why the vast majority of people who died of Covid had a positive Covid test before they died.

[Explorer8939]

I made the classic mistake the other day, a lady banged me twice with a condom. The third time, she got lazy and didn't use a condom. By then, my dick was numb, and I didn't realize until after I shot inside her.

[CaliGuy33]

I made the classic mistake the other day, a lady banged me twice with a condom. The third time, she got lazy and didn't use a condom. By then, my dick was numb, and I didn't realize until after I shot inside her.Can we assume that all working ladies are on birth control?

I wonder that, as I am not a BBCIP guy, I always use protection, but I know a lot of guys don't, so I'm curious if they just assume the sex working ladies use birth control.

As far as STIs, you're gambling I guess.

[MikeNm]

I had a vasectomy years ago, so I never worry about knocking up the woman I'm with. Getting an STD by going bb is a different story. I wonder what percent of girls want a condom for pregnancy protection, STD protection, or both? I admit to going bbfscip a few times with girls that seemed healthy, and then wondering if I'd made a big mistake afterwards. I've drawn blanks in the Russian Roulette gun so far!

[Explorer8939]

Can we assume that all working ladies are on birth control?

I wonder that, as I am not a BBCIP guy, I always use protection, but I know a lot of guys don't, so I'm curious if they just assume the sex working ladies use birth control.

As far as STIs, you're gambling I guess.Not gambling, I screwed up.

What the ladies generally say about birth control is: If they have a live in boyfriend, they take the pill because he won't use a condom.

[Member #4813]

Kary Mullis, the inventor of the polymerase chain reaction "test" (PCR), for which he received the Nobel prize in chemistry in 1993, PCR being a technique used to amplify DNA and detect viruses, said ". . . . with the PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody. " See https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/01/14/fact-check-kary-mullis-quote-pcr-tests-outdated-lacks-context/9198197002/ for this quote. For this reason, the PCR is not a valid test for illness, HSV, COVID-19, or any other illness, despite its accuracy in detecting genetic sequences of viruses. The finding of a virus in a sample taken from a sick person does not prove symptoms were caused by that virus unless, perhaps, you also get a negative test for every other conceivable cause of the symptoms. Therefore, all the numbers you see for prevalence of HIV or SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19 or any other illness based on PCR "tests" are misleading and invalid.This is simply nonsense. If I went in for testing tomorrow and was tested for HIV, SARS-CoV-2, Hep b, etc. , they would all be negative. You cannot find almost anything in anybody.

If your blood is positive for HIV, believe me, you have HIV! Sometimes, the test is equivocal (rather than binary), but its positive predictive value is VERY high. There are excellent antibody tests as well, but these require that you have had the virus for a longer period of time, generally 2 weeks and rarely a few months.

Mullis, by the way, was a little bit nuts. He believed in UFOs and alien abductions. And, he famously said that HIV did not cause AIDS, despite abundant data, including PCR data. That all AIDS patients (100%)have evidence of the HIV genome in their blood, as detected by PCR, is unequivocally true. The use of PCR to detect AIDS can sometimes give complicated results, but there is zero doubt that when done and interpreted by experienced individuals, the data is very reliable.

Param: if you really believe in what you said, I think that if you ever get AIDS, you should not take anti-retrovirals, as these drugs are all designed to inhibit viral replication and doctors use PCR to monitor treatment efficacy. I guess you would call that type of medical care a waste of your time.

[Member #4813]

You are 50% correct. PCR indeed is a technique to amplify DNA. But the standard "PCR test" also includes a second component, an agent to look in that amplified DNA for the Covid virus.

That's why the vast majority of people who died of Covid had a positive Covid test before they died.This statement is simply nonsense. There is no standard "PCR test". There are PCR tests for HIV, and different PCR tests for COVID, and different PCR tests for herpes viruses, etc. Each pathogen requires unique "primers", which are synthetic starter DNA molecules that are used for DNA amplification.

As for your second statement: The COVID PCR test is positive for about the first 14 days of infection, although rare (really rare) individuals have been positive for months (especially immunocompromised patients who lack an immune system). Many, many people who die of COVID are PCR (and rapid antigen test) negative before they die. Modern medical techniques can keep them alive for months, long after the virus has stopped replicating.

[Werqweq]

Can we assume that all working ladies are on birth control?

I wonder that, as I am not a BBCIP guy, I always use protection, but I know a lot of guys don't, so I'm curious if they just assume the sex working ladies use birth control.
Bizarrely enough they don't seem to, in my limited experience. Sheer stupidity IMO, so best to keep a few packets of the morning-after pill in the house and the girl can swallow it before leaving.

I'm guessing most of those guys simply don't care. Here this week, gone next week, not their problem.

[Amnesia]

This statement is simply nonsense. There is no standard "PCR test". There are PCR tests for HIV, and different PCR tests for COVID, and different PCR tests for herpes viruses, etc. Each pathogen requires unique "primers", which are synthetic starter DNA molecules that are used for DNA amplification.
He didn't claim that there's one PCR test that tests for everything. It's pretty clear that the phrase "standard PCR test" refers to the PCR technology.




As for your second statement: The COVID PCR test is positive for about the first 14 days of infection, although rare (really rare) individuals have been positive for months (especially immunocompromised patients who lack an immune system). Many, many people who die of COVID are PCR (and rapid antigen test) negative before they die. Modern medical techniques can keep them alive for months, long after the virus has stopped replicating.The PCR test is positive for as long as it detect DNA / RNA of the virus. And that's exactly how it is supposed to work. All the Covidiots who get nuts about this either never had a clue about how this technology (or any tests in general for that matter) is supposed to work or intentionally compare it against something that it (and any other tests in general) was never supposed to do.

[Explorer8939]

This statement is simply nonsense. There is no standard "PCR test". There are PCR tests for HIV, and different PCR tests for COVID, and different PCR tests for herpes viruses, etc. Each pathogen requires unique "primers", which are synthetic starter DNA molecules that are used for DNA amplification.

As for your second statement: The COVID PCR test is positive for about the first 14 days of infection, although rare (really rare) individuals have been positive for months (especially immunocompromised patients who lack an immune system). Many, many people who die of COVID are PCR (and rapid antigen test) negative before they die. Modern medical techniques can keep them alive for months, long after the virus has stopped replicating.You are absolutely correct. In the context of a discussion about PCR tests for Covid, I used the shorthand term "PCR test" instead of "PCR test for Covid".

Also, I should have stated that just about everyone who died of Covid had a positive PCR test (for Covid) prior to their demise.

[Explorer8939]

A couple of weeks ago, I was staying at a new place, and woke up every morning with pain in my lower back. I chalked it up to a new bed.

I was also peeing frequently, which is not normal for me.

After it persisted, I put 2 and 2 together and realized that I probably had a kidney infection. I put myself on a regimen of amoxicillin and ciproflaxcin, which has cleared it up.

I suspect I got the infection from licking the pussy of a lady with a UTI.

Not much you can do to avoid that, except not lick pussy.

[EihTooms]

I think No condom ok HERE means BBJ. I asked a japanese friend who used to visit that place, he said it's not BBFS, just BBBJ.

Anal Suck for example in that shop means Rimjob.I wondered about that same thing when I first read about the "No Condom Ok" option there from other punters on this forum a few months ago. Then at least one poster here who frequented the Shop verified that it indeed means BBFS+CIP as confirmed by the mamasan there and by his personal experience with one of the girls who stipulated that service. Since then there have been other Field Reports posted in this forum that clearly stipulated that "No Condom Ok" meant BBFS+CIP on the menu of the girls booked and sessioned with.

Otherwise, if it is only referring to a BJ then that would mean fully 33+ of the girls working at Butterfly Massage require you to wear a condom for BJ unless they also include the "No Condom Ok" qualifier.

I would ask your Japanese friend if when he used to visit that shop did he ever book and session a girl who stipulated "No Condom Ok"? Up until a few months ago there were only 3-4 who did. And did the girls he booked and sessioned with who did not stipulate "No Condom Ok" really require him to wear a condom for a simple BJ, including the ones who listed "Mouth Finish" on their profile?

BTW:

ATTENTION: Some of you gents have sent me PMs asking for more information but I can't reply for whatever reason. Maybe you need to empty your mailbox.

[Zam007]

I wondered about that same thing when I first read about the "No Condom Ok" option there from other punters on this forum a few months ago. Then at least one poster here who frequented the Shop verified that it indeed means BBFS+CIP as confirmed by the mamasan there and by his personal experience with one of the girls who stipulated that service. Since then there have been other Field Reports posted in this forum that clearly stipulated that "No Condom Ok" meant BBFS+CIP on the menu of the girls booked and sessioned with.

Otherwise, if it is only referring to a BJ then that would mean fully 33+ of the girls working at Butterfly Massage require you to wear a condom for BJ unless they also include the "No Condom Ok" qualifier.

I would ask your Japanese friend if when he used to visit that shop did he ever book and session a girl who stipulated "No Condom Ok"? Up until a few months ago there were only 3-4 who did. And did the girls he booked and sessioned with who did not stipulate "No Condom Ok" really require him to wear a condom for a simple BJ, including the ones who listed "Mouth Finish" on their profile?

BTW:

ATTENTION: Some of you gents have sent me PMs asking for more information but I can't reply for whatever reason. Maybe you need to empty your mailbox.My friend and myself were discussing the dangers of BBFS and that it's just a matter of time this careless habit is going to explode in the MP scene.

One person with some serious STD is going to fuck it up for the rest of us and Thai authorities are going to come hard on them.

Offering BBFS like this is going to encourage others to offer the same services and before you know it Thai authroties are going to issue a blanket ban on all these establishments for a few months.

What my friend assured me that one girl she took who was seen offering no condom services replied to him that it was just for bbj.

I don't know about the other things. If they do offer BBFS so openly, I am not goin to enter that place. These guys are going to cause some serious problems.

That said, many massage girls were sometimes so horny they tried to shove my dick in them with no condoms and it was me who resisted and put the cover back on.

[MomoFarang]

I wondered about that same thing when I first read about the "No Condom Ok" option there from other punters on this forum a few months ago. Then at least one poster here who frequented the Shop verified that it indeed means BBFS+CIP as confirmed by the mamasan there and by his personal experience with one of the girls who stipulated that service. Since then there have been other Field Reports posted in this forum that clearly stipulated that "No Condom Ok" meant BBFS+CIP on the menu of the girls booked and sessioned with.

Otherwise, if it is only referring to a BJ then that would mean fully 33+ of the girls working at Butterfly Massage require you to wear a condom for BJ unless they also include the "No Condom Ok" qualifier.

I would ask your Japanese friend if when he used to visit that shop did he ever book and session a girl who stipulated "No Condom Ok"? Up until a few months ago there were only 3-4 who did. And did the girls he booked and sessioned with who did not stipulate "No Condom Ok" really require him to wear a condom for a simple BJ, including the ones who listed "Mouth Finish" on their profile?

BTW:

ATTENTION: Some of you gents have sent me PMs asking for more information but I can't reply for whatever reason. Maybe you need to empty your mailbox.Ok, Last week, mid afternoon.

Lined Butterfly, requested Zacha for outcall, no condom + anal. The answer came "available 4500 + 1000 + 2000".

The girl I got was quite attractive even though she didn't bear any resemblance with the one on the web site.

Great action, DT, Vaginal, Anal, CIA all BB.

I'd repeat right now if I was in still in Bangkok.

Maybe better to try, instead of pointless speculation.

[Parasitius]

My friend and myself were discussing the dangers of BBFS and that it's just a matter of time this careless habit is going to explode in the MP scene.

I've been on this forum over a decade and this comment still managed to take my breathe away. This gentleman seriously deserves an award. Sir, I hate to break it to you: you are literally amongst the most hopelessly naive 0. 01% of the world population.

Since time immemorial the BBFS rate has probably been 20-50% without fail in Thailand and actually all SE Asia plus Korea and Japan.

I've participated in raw gangbangs in Germany and Belgium for over ten years now, some with 100 participants.

If you seriously think what you do. You need to get out there and try to get a grip on reality, People don't use condoms. Period.

[MomoFarang]

I've been on this forum over a decade and this comment still managed to take my breathe away. This gentleman seriously deserves an award. Sir, I hate to break it to you: you are literally amongst the most hopelessly naive 0. 01% of the world population.

Since time immemorial the BBFS rate has probably been 20-50% without fail in Thailand and actually all SE Asia plus Korea and Japan.

I've participated in raw gangbangs in Germany and Belgium for over ten years now, some with 100 participants.

If you seriously think what you do. You need to get out there and try to get a grip on reality, People don't use condoms. Period.Ok, that's fine. But bareback doesn't mean that one doesn't protect himself by other means: TENO-them (PREP), Doxy (PREP and / or PEP), Cefixime + Azythromycin (PEP).

[Zam007]

I've been on this forum over a decade and this comment still managed to take my breathe away. This gentleman seriously deserves an award. Sir, I hate to break it to you: you are literally amongst the most hopelessly naive 0. 01% of the world population.

Since time immemorial the BBFS rate has probably been 20-50% without fail in Thailand and actually all SE Asia plus Korea and Japan.

I've participated in raw gangbangs in Germany and Belgium for over ten years now, some with 100 participants.

If you seriously think what you do. You need to get out there and try to get a grip on reality, People don't use condoms. Period.What you don't really get is that men from countries with High rates of HIV infections and other STDs are increasingly finding it easy to travel to Thailand nowadays. These guys won't be able to afford to travel to Europe, which is why things are a bit better in Central and West Europe. HIV infections in East Europe on the other hand is skyrocketing along with other STDs.

I was merely typing a part of the conversation we had and you are not the only person who has smashed chicks with no protection.

The difference is that intelligent men know when and where to do these things with the right women.

Save your sarcasm for someone else, go Fuck around and find out.

[Newton York]

I got to say, I agree too. In my long years of being alive, condom use doesn't seem all that common to me. I'm old enough to remember the years when it was not needed at all, with any chick, pro or amateur. But those were also the days when chicks didn't shave down there. Sheesh. Man, I had some crazy times in South East Asia during the war. Nowadays, in Bangkok, I use it just cause. But I'm so old now, I wonder if I should even bother anymore and try BBFS again, I miss the feeling of going into pussy raw. When did I become such a chicken shit coward? Why am I afraid of BBFS? Not even almost, but literally every dude I've ever spoke to who hobbies on a regular basis, says when they go bareback, days and weeks later they check back in and doctor clears them of anything. It's always consequence free. I know I don't have that kind of luck, cause I'm not a lucky person, that's why if I go bareback, my dick would probably fall off the next week. Ha!

[Newton York]

My friend and myself were discussing the dangers of BBFS and that it's just a matter of time this careless habit is going to explode in the MP scene.

One person with some serious STD is going to fuck it up for the rest of us and Thai authorities are going to come hard on them.

Offering BBFS like this is going to encourage others to offer the same services and before you know it Thai authroties are going to issue a blanket ban on all these establishments for a few months.

What my friend assured me that one girl she took who was seen offering no condom services replied to him that it was just for bbj.

I don't know about the other things. If they do offer BBFS so openly, I am not goin to enter that place. These guys are going to cause some serious problems.

That said, many massage girls were sometimes so horny they tried to shove my dick in them with no condoms and it was me who resisted and put the cover back on.I know if that happened to me, I'd never be able to resist. It never happens to me, cause I'm a shriveled old guy with a barely functioning dick even with penis pills. All that being said, I do wonder about going bareback. I miss it. I'm so old now, what have I got to lose? I say you lucky fucks there in Bangkok now, just go crazy, and do whatever, until something really bad makes it way thru the chicks, then you can feel like you dodged a bullet. At least you're there. I'm stuck here, not knowing if I will ever be able to go to Thailand to even take such an awesome risk. Beelzebub, I'd sell my soul right now.

[Newton York]

Bizarrely enough they don't seem to, in my limited experience. Sheer stupidity IMO, so best to keep a few packets of the morning-after pill in the house and the girl can swallow it before leaving.

I'm guessing most of those guys simply don't care. Here this week, gone next week, not their problem.This was decades ago, but I creampied a hooker here in the shithole northeast city I'm in now, no guesses which city. But a few days later I thought to myself, what if she gets pregnant? Then weeks later, I thought, what if she is pregnant, and with my kid? Years later, I forgot that I even forgot about it. But I still think about how awesome it was to cum insider her. That's all that matters guys. Don't worry about it. Just fuck, cum, and split. That's what the money's for! I'd give anything for more cash now, just so I can spill some seed back in Bangkok.

If they don't know you're real name, you're set. NEVER tell them who you really are.

[Zam007]

My friend and myself were discussing the dangers of BBFS and that it's just a matter of time this careless habit is going to explode in the MP scene.

One person with some serious STD is going to fuck it up for the rest of us and Thai authorities are going to come hard on them.

Offering BBFS like this is going to encourage others to offer the same services and before you know it Thai authroties are going to issue a blanket ban on all these establishments for a few months.

What my friend assured me that one girl she took who was seen offering no condom services replied to him that it was just for bbj.

I don't know about the other things. If they do offer BBFS so openly, I am not goin to enter that place. These guys are going to cause some serious problems.

That said, many massage girls were sometimes so horny they tried to shove my dick in them with no condoms and it was me who resisted and put the cover back on.Butterfly Massage has been shut.

I saw this coming. For sure other MPs would have complained because of the pressure it put on them to offer the same services so openly and discussed in multiple forums.

I am surprised it lasted this long.

[Zam007]

I know if that happened to me, I'd never be able to resist. It never happens to me, cause I'm a shriveled old guy with a barely functioning dick even with penis pills. All that being said, I do wonder about going bareback. I miss it. I'm so old now, what have I got to lose? I say you lucky fucks there in Bangkok now, just go crazy, and do whatever, until something really bad makes it way thru the chicks, then you can feel like you dodged a bullet. At least you're there. I'm stuck here, not knowing if I will ever be able to go to Thailand to even take such an awesome risk. Beelzebub, I'd sell my soul right now.I have barebacked a lot of times, but most of them were not hookers.

I don't enjoy covered sex as much as bareback, but I want to enjoy sex as long and healthy as I can.

It's only a matter of 1 or 2 more decades when I will also find myself in your situation, until then, I will try and play but also be as safe as I can.

I am glad you enjoyed whenever you could back in the day, but things have changed a lot these days.

[EihTooms]

Butterfly Massage has been shut.

I saw this coming. For sure other MPs would have complained because of the pressure it put on them to offer the same services so openly and discussed in multiple forums.

I am surprised it lasted this long.OK, everybody can relax.

Not only is the website for Butterfly Massage on Soi 24 just a short walk from Sukhumvit Road and turn left at The Bibimbab restaurant fully functioning:

Butterfly Massage

https://butterflymassage.x.2nt.com/english-page/lady_page-e.html

But my Boots On The Ground eye witness to the shop tonight at 8 pm confirmed it is Open and Thriving. There are tons of happy, smiling young ladies sitting outside just waiting for business.

Note to any other Massage Shop and / or similar P4P venue in Thailand; I have never seen as much worry and concern that a Sex Shop might be "closed" as I have seen on this site for Butterfly Massage. Its happy customers and potential customers really want that business to stay open, do very well and thrive.

I'm guessing that is because the enlightened, wise and up-to-date owners and management of Butterfly Massage Soi 24 have decided the most profitable, free and fair option is to allow their ladies an easy opportunity to increase their customer traffic and income by simply choosing to check and include BBFS+CIP as "No Condom OK" on their service list profile or not, it being entirely up to each lady.

Moreover, they have not required that any customer must go Bareback / BBFS+CIP with any girl there or anywhere else for any act of sex a girl there or elsewhere agrees to engage in with you. Really. Wear a condom even for DFK and a Handjob every time with every lady at that shop and elsewhere if it makes you happy.

[HorseTrader]

OK, everybody can relax.

Not only is the website for Butterfly Massage on Soi 24 just a short walk from Sukhumvit Road and turn left at The Bibimbab restaurant fully functioning:

Butterfly Massage

https://butterflymassage.x.2nt.com/english-page/lady_page-e.html

But my Boots On The Ground eye witness to the shop tonight at 8 pm confirmed it is Open and Thriving. There are tons of happy, smiling young ladies sitting outside just waiting for business.
I've been monitoring that website for a few months. At first there were only 1 or 2 girls who allowed no condom. At my last count, it was 11 of 42 girls allowing no condom. I'm old as dirt and BBFS has become the only sex where I can reliably finish. If they want my money, that's what I need.

On a side note, I've had a vasectomy so I'm not worried about pregnancy. For bacterial STDs, I use doxycycline as PrEP. I do worry about viral STDs but have been unaffected so far, perhaps post-sex washing and pissing has saved me so far. I get tested both before and after my semi-annual sexcations.

[MomoFarang]

I've been monitoring that website for a few months. At first there were only 1 or 2 girls who allowed no condom. At my last count, it was 11 of 42 girls allowing no condom. I'm old as dirt and BBFS has become the only sex where I can reliably finish. If they want my money, that's what I need.

On a side note, I've had a vasectomy so I'm not worried about pregnancy. For bacterial STDs, I use doxycycline as PrEP. I do worry about viral STDs but have been unaffected so far, perhaps post-sex washing and pissing has saved me so far. I get tested both before and after my semi-annual sexcations.11 out of 42, so roughly 1 out of 4. Thats more or less what I get around Sukhumvit, all type of venues included. At some bars in Nana Plaza it is more like one in two. But a lot depends on the choice of venue and girl. TF has also a high proportion, possibly higher than one in two.

Doxy is a very poor protection with a 50% risk reduction, I wouldn't rely too much on it. Go PEP with Azythromycin 1000 MG with Cefixime 800 MG. And don't forget Teno-them PREP for HIV. Even if you are a Geezer protection yourself is protecting others.

[HorseTrader]

Doxy is a very poor protection with a 50% risk reduction, I wouldn't rely too much on it. Go PEP with Azythromycin 1000 MG with Cefixime 800 MG. And don't forget Teno-them PREP for HIV. Even if you are a Geezer protection yourself is protecting others.I was under the impression that Doxy was better than 50% effective as PrEP, but well below 90%. With daily BBFS, I cannot use 1000 MG azithromycin or daily Cefixeme as PEP, too much antibiotic.

Schedule permitting, I'll get a last day test at the Thai Red Cross. If schedule doesn't permit, I'll be spending about $250 for an extensive at home STD test kit.

I always bring Azithromycin home, this trip I'll also bring home some cefixeme, which I have forgotten about. Good suggestion.

I’m actually not too worried about HIV. Data I’ve seen regarding female to male transmission is very low. If someone has revised data, I would appreciate seeing a link. The other thing is that HIV treatments are now highly effective, it is no longer a death sentence. My guess is that many Thai girls have HIV but it is controlled to a level where it cannot be transmitted via sex. I am aware that government medical system provides nearly free quarterly evaluations and medication for HIV patients. Again, if somebody has some scientific data to support or refute my hypotheses, I would appreciate them posting a link.

[Newton York]

I have barebacked a lot of times, but most of them were not hookers.

I don't enjoy covered sex as much as bareback, but I want to enjoy sex as long and healthy as I can.

It's only a matter of 1 or 2 more decades when I will also find myself in your situation, until then, I will try and play but also be as safe as I can.

I am glad you enjoyed whenever you could back in the day, but things have changed a lot these days.Things have definitely changed, and changed a lot. When I started in the hobby, the scariest STD, which I'll just say here has a three letter acronym, wasn't even a thing yet, goes to show how old I am. Those were the days though. But it's also about fellow hobbyists. Let's keep each other safe. The chicks are essentially products, goods for rent. And we want to take care of them for the next customer. I'd like to think of it as just courtesy. When I bang a chick, or go down on her, I'd like to think and definitely hope that she's clean.

[Newton York]

I was under the impression that Doxy was better than 50% effective as PrEP, but well below 90%. With daily BBFS, I cannot use 1000 MG azithromycin or daily Cefixeme as PEP, too much antibiotic.
My guess is that many Thai girls have HIV but it is controlled to a level where it cannot be transmitted via sex. I am aware that government medical system provides nearly free quarterly evaluations and medication for HIV patients. Again, if somebody has some scientific data to support or refute my hypotheses, I would appreciate them posting a link.Wait? What? Many Thai girls have HIV? That's freaking scary dude. At this point I'm willing to sell my soul to go back to Thailand to fuck as many Thai chicks as I can. I even want to try Butterflys where BBFS is on offer just to tempt myself to go bareback again, since I haven't in ages. Don't make me second guess myself dude. Thailand is all I have to live for now. I want to die, I really do, but not before one last trip to Thailand at least. And I definitely don't want to go slow cause of hiv. I want to go fast like getting hit by a bus, or David Carradine style, with a big smile on my face!

[Newton York]

OK, everybody can relax.

Not only is the website for Butterfly Massage on Soi 24 just a short walk from Sukhumvit Road and turn left at The Bibimbab restaurant fully functioning:

Butterfly Massage

https://butterflymassage.x.2nt.com/english-page/lady_page-e.html

But my Boots On The Ground eye witness to the shop tonight at 8 pm confirmed it is Open and Thriving. There are tons of happy, smiling young ladies sitting outside just waiting for business.

Note to any other Massage Shop and / or similar P4P venue in Thailand; I have never seen as much worry and concern that a Sex Shop might be "closed" as I have seen on this site for Butterfly Massage. Its happy customers and potential customers really want that business to stay open, do very well and thrive.

I'm guessing that is because the enlightened, wise and up-to-date owners and management of Butterfly Massage Soi 24 have decided the most profitable, free and fair option is to allow their ladies an easy opportunity to increase their customer traffic and income by simply choosing to check and include BBFS+CIP as "No Condom OK" on their service list profile or not, it being entirely up to each lady.

Moreover, they have not required that any customer must go Bareback / BBFS+CIP with any girl there or anywhere else for any act of sex a girl there or elsewhere agrees to engage in with you. Really. Wear a condom even for DFK and a Handjob every time with every lady at that shop and elsewhere if it makes you happy.Many thanks Eihtooms. It's a relief to know they're still around, though I'll need them to be around a lot longer, I don't know when I'll be able to go back to Thailand, but just knowing they're still there is keeping my spirits up. I'm on the fence about going bareback, but just knowing the option is available is the point for me. I'm always on the camp of one should be able to get to choose. More Austria, less Germany when it comes to the BBFS prostitution policies, that's my view.

I suspect it's also up to the chick if she wants to go bareback with the guy based on his looks. If he's an old and ugly as sin guy like me, the odds are higher she won't do it. Sucks for me. Man, I tell ya fellas, when I fell off the ugly tree, I hit every branch on the way down.

This is good fellas. This is a good thing. If the other joints see how well Butterflys is doing by giving this extra option, they just might do it too. And then when I'm finally, freaking back in Bangkok, the adrenaline rush I'll get from knowing that most of the chicks I'll bang there might go bareback, holy moses. That alone is worth the price of admission.

I tell ya fellas, I can't remember what place it was now, somewhere in Thonglor near Nikko Hotel I think, on my last trip, when I was banging the chick, her legs were wide open, my cock was raging, I had just removed the condom to have her blow me, but while I was on top, I very nearly put it in her pussy, I couldn't really control myself, but she softly said no, and I was able to think straight again. Sometimes you just want to fuck raw. Years ago on my Bangkok trip, I had an escort in my hotel room, and she offered to go bareback, but for some weird reason, I couldn't let myself do it. It's like I feel it's got to happen in the moment. When I can't control myself. If I'm given a choice or even a moment to think about it, I would just say no.

Years ago when I fucked the Korean chicks on a regular basis here in the city, this shitty, shitty american city, I went raw with one cause she just let it happen. It was so sexy I still have memories of it to this day. Cause even then I was having a tough time staying hard, so she took the condom off and she said to just put the tip in, and sure enough I did, and just kept pumping. Pretty soon she had her legs wrapped around me and I just kept going. We switched to cowgirl and I came hard with her on top. It was the most glorious creampie I ever gave a chick. Every time I saw her again after that first session, it was just raw animal sex. Grabbing at each other the second I was in the room, before even the whole shower thing, no condom required. Of all the working girls I've fucked, she's the one I miss the most. I wonder if she's doing ok, I wonder if I have a kid I don't know about somewhere. Ha! That'd be hilarious.

[EihTooms]

I was under the impression that Doxy was better than 50% effective as PrEP, but well below 90%. With daily BBFS, I cannot use 1000 MG azithromycin or daily Cefixeme as PEP, too much antibiotic.

Schedule permitting, I'll get a last day test at the Thai Red Cross. If schedule doesn't permit, I'll be spending about $250 for an extensive at home STD test kit.

I always bring Azithromycin home, this trip I'll also bring home some cefixeme, which I have forgotten about. Good suggestion.

Im actually not too worried about HIV. Data Ive seen regarding female to male transmission is very low. If someone has revised data, I would appreciate seeing a link. The other thing is that HIV treatments are now highly effective, it is no longer a death sentence. My guess is that many Thai girls have HIV but it is controlled to a level where it cannot be transmitted via sex. I am aware that government medical system provides nearly free quarterly evaluations and medication for HIV patients. Again, if somebody has some scientific data to support or refute my hypotheses, I would appreciate them posting a link.This is not specific to Thai women or their rate of infection but many might find it useful nonetheless. And I suppose it could likely pertain to all women and all men everywhere.

IMPORTANT NOTES: an "exposure" in these estimates is defined as you're engaging in that particular sex act with an HIV-Positive partner. It is not defined as per sex act with any partner anywhere at any time. That is clearly stated in the text of the report.

My reading of it also excludes an "HIV-Positive" partner who is taking enough effective drug treatment medication to lower their viral load to 0 (zero) or an undetectable viral load, as a "per exposure" partner candidate. Meaning in terms of risk they are essentially HIV free. Perhaps others will read it differently.

Also, these estimate figures might or might not be factoring in you having a co-factor such as a large open wound on or around your penis, not being circumcised and / or having a large open wound in or around your mouth or anus, depending on the sex act in which you are engaging. And the report does not cite separate rates of risk with or without such co-factors.

Therefore, I believe it is safe to say the estimate figures cited in this report are smaller (less likely to result in transmission) if you do not have such a co-factor, do not have a large open wound on or around the area of the sex act and have been circumcised:

Estimated HIV risk per exposure.
May, 2020

https://www.aidsmap.com/about-hiv/estimated-hiv-risk-exposure

Now, some common sex acts are not cited and given any estimates at all, such as receiving fellatio, as in you are the one getting a blowjob not the one on the "receptive" end and either giving or receiving cunnilingus. I assume that is because the risks of being infected by HIV from such acts are so low as to be statistically insignificant and can not be calculated. But I did not see it stated that way in the text so it is only an assumption on my part. Maybe I missed it.

[Werqweq]

Estimated HIV risk per exposure.
May, 2020

https://www.aidsmap.com/about-hiv/estimated-hiv-risk-exposure

Now, some common sex acts are not cited and given any estimates at all, such as receiving fellatio, as in you are the one getting a blowjob not the one on the "receptive" end and either giving or receiving cunnilingus. I assume that is because the risks of being infected by HIV from such acts are so low as to be statistically insignificant and can not be calculated. But I did not see it stated that way in the text so it is only an assumption on my part. Maybe I missed it.That is cited: "Receptive fellatio, no condom, viral load not known Estimates range from 0. 00% to 0. 04% (1 in 2500)".


Following the link from there leads to an article stating:
"A 10-year Spanish study conducted from 1990 to 2000 among serodiscordant heterosexual couples [19] observed no transmissions due to receptive oral sex among 8965 acts. We used data from this study to estimate 95% CIs for receptive and insertive oral sex transmission risk (95% CI 0–4). A study among lesbians also observed no transmissions due to oral sex [66]. A meta-analysis to establish the per-act transmission risk for oral sex could not be conducted because data were from three disparate sources [67]. Furthermore, estimating per-act transmission risk for low-risk acts, such as oral sex, is often confounded by the complex patterns of sexual exposure where higher-risk exposures occur during the same sexual encounter. Given these general limitations and the individual limitations of the previous estimates, we believe that although HIV transmission via oral sex is biologically plausible, we are unable to provide a precise numeric estimate."

But still as you say, the risk for getting HIV from a blowjob appears to be insignificant.

[EihTooms]

Werqweq: "That is cited: "Receptive fellatio, no condom, viral load not known Estimates range from 0. 00% to 0. 04% (1 in 2500)". "

Sorry to post a response this way. But for some reason I could not quote your post as usual no matter how many brackets and parentheses I removed from it. A weird glitch perhaps.

Anyway, I beg to differ; imo, "Receptive Fellatio" is referring to the person "receiving" the semen, not the person delivering it.

If it is the other way around then there is no citation at all for the risk associated with receiving the cum in one's mouth but only for the one shooting it into his partner's mouth.

Which makes no sense at all.

I know we colloquially refer to it as "getting (receiving) a blowjob. " But for the purposes of a study like this they don't mean it that way.

IMHO.

[Werqweq]

Werqweq: "That is cited: "Receptive fellatio, no condom, viral load not known Estimates range from 0. 00% to 0. 04% (1 in 2500)". "

Sorry to post a response this way. But for some reason I could not quote your post as usual no matter how many brackets and parentheses I removed from it. A weird glitch perhaps.

Anyway, I beg to differ; imo, "Receptive Fellatio" is referring to the person "receiving" the semen, not the person delivering it.

If it is the other way around then there is no citation at all for the risk associated with receiving the cum in one's mouth but only for the one shooting it into his partner's mouth.

Which makes no sense at all.

I know we colloquially refer to it as "getting (receiving) a blowjob. " But for the purposes of a study like this they don't mean it that way.

IMHO.I have re-read it now, and you are correct. Sorry for the mistake.

[HorseTrader]

Estimated HIV risk per exposure.
May, 2020

https://www.aidsmap.com/about-hiv/estimated-hiv-risk-exposure

Great link, thanks for digging it out. Those numbers are consistent with my memory of a report published a few years ago by the San Francisco Clinic.

[Zam007]

OK, everybody can relax.

Not only is the website for Butterfly Massage on Soi 24 just a short walk from Sukhumvit Road and turn left at The Bibimbab restaurant fully functioning:

Butterfly Massage

https://butterflymassage.x.2nt.com/english-page/lady_page-e.html

But my Boots On The Ground eye witness to the shop tonight at 8 pm confirmed it is Open and Thriving. There are tons of happy, smiling young ladies sitting outside just waiting for business.

Note to any other Massage Shop and / or similar P4P venue in Thailand; I have never seen as much worry and concern that a Sex Shop might be "closed" as I have seen on this site for Butterfly Massage. Its happy customers and potential customers really want that business to stay open, do very well and thrive.

I'm guessing that is because the enlightened, wise and up-to-date owners and management of Butterfly Massage Soi 24 have decided the most profitable, free and fair option is to allow their ladies an easy opportunity to increase their customer traffic and income by simply choosing to check and include BBFS+CIP as "No Condom OK" on their service list profile or not, it being entirely up to each lady.

Moreover, they have not required that any customer must go Bareback / BBFS+CIP with any girl there or anywhere else for any act of sex a girl there or elsewhere agrees to engage in with you. Really. Wear a condom even for DFK and a Handjob every time with every lady at that shop and elsewhere if it makes you happy.Well, I could be wrong about the news that the MP is still in action, but I in the long run I will be right about the MP getting shut down for such activities because a few MPs in the past have indeed got shut down for doing this so openly. I am not going to name them.

Safe Sex Everyone.

We need to enjoy as long as we can.

[Explorer8939]

If a bar girl is high volume, I always use a condom. That makes it tougher to cum, but there's always BBBJCIM.

There are some non-bargirls (former bar girls) that I do BB.

Anyone who says they have done 1000's of bar girls BB and never had an STD is lying, and probably posting from their mother's basement.

[Banana Boi]

Thanks Explorer for moving the conversation here.

[MassageLover81]

If a bar girl is high volume, I always use a condom. That makes it tougher to cum, but there's always BBBJCIM.

There are some non-bargirls (former bar girls) that I do BB.

Anyone who says they have done 1000's of bar girls BB and never had an STD is lying, and probably posting from their mother's basement.I'm curious how many of you have STDs?

I've never done bareback for anything including oral and I still got Herpes!

HPV is really prevalent.

How many of you have HPV?

I don't think we can even test for HPV, but HPV can cause six types of cancer: These include anal cancer, cervical cancer, oropharyngeal cancer, penile cancer, vaginal cancer, and vulvar cancer.

Thoughts?

[Explorer8939]

I'm curious how many of you have STDs?

I've never done bareback for anything including oral and I still got Herpes!

HPV is really prevalent.

How many of you have HPV?

I don't think we can even test for HPV, but HPV can cause six types of cancer: These include anal cancer, cervical cancer, oropharyngeal cancer, penile cancer, vaginal cancer, and vulvar cancer.

Thoughts?You can get herpes from kissing. Fortunately, it can be treated, or rather the symptoms can be treated.

HPV is probably prevalent in Pattaya. There's a vaccine, but not common here.

[EihTooms]

I'm curious how many of you have STDs?

I've never done bareback for anything including oral and I still got Herpes!

HPV is really prevalent.

How many of you have HPV?

I don't think we can even test for HPV, but HPV can cause six types of cancer: These include anal cancer, cervical cancer, oropharyngeal cancer, penile cancer, vaginal cancer, and vulvar cancer.

Thoughts?I don't know if HPV can be tested for exactly or tested easily but the last time I had a complete physical exam so thorough that anything regarding HPV was brought up at all was 5 years ago. I had undergone a check everything everywhere physical exam at Bumrungrad Hospital required by my health insurer because I turned 65.

But the only thing that showed up regarding HPV, as pointed out to me by the doctor explaining every result for every test conducted, was trace evidence of me having taken the 3 step HPV vaccine regime a few years earlier. Which I had done at the Thai Red Cross near Lumpini Park.

Otherwise, nothing. No traces of it or any other STD or STI in my system. Same as every blood test for various STD / STIs I have periodically taken before or since. Which with regard to HPV is amazing even to me with all the DATY I have done over the past 50+ years.

[Lcale1982]

I'm curious how many of you have STDs?

I've never done bareback for anything including oral and I still got Herpes!

HPV is really prevalent.

How many of you have HPV?

I don't think we can even test for HPV, but HPV can cause six types of cancer: These include anal cancer, cervical cancer, oropharyngeal cancer, penile cancer, vaginal cancer, and vulvar cancer.

Thoughts?Hmm none that I know of but haven't taken test yet this yet my insurance sucks ass. Called my doc and says he's retired so tried to call another doc on my medical group says only can see assigned doc. So ridiculous! Change to new assigned doc says won't be active til next mo WTF! OK done venting. No real symptons but figure I'd take a test its been a while. I've BB only in the states maybe like same few gals 10+ times. Not sure what Kgirls do but they some how seem to keep clean. Only did that a few years ago when I first really started. Only do covered FS now but do get BBBJ if they over that. Guess once I get a test and results I'll give an update.

[HorseTrader]

I'm curious how many of you have STDs?
Back in the early 2000's I used to get several weekly BBBJs from USA street walkers and I eventually got a nasty case of gonorrhea, which I let go too long before seeking attention. Those BBBJs were mostly in my car, which had no way to clean thoroughly.

My version of safe sex isn't very safe. Just before sex I drink lots of caffeine, which makes me urinate a whole lot about an hour later. I insist on shower together before sex and I clean her down under very carefully, though this cannot happen at some massage shops. I do BBBJ and BBFSCIP almost every session. As soon as I finish, I clean thoroughly and piss (by now the caffeine has kicked in). My doctor gives me daily doxy for a skin condition and that may fend off some bacterial infections. Maybe. If I have any weird feelings downstairs, I will take 1 g of Azithromycin. That has happened to me twice over the last several years and each time the bad feelings went away withing hours; the quick response makes me think the bad feelings were from overuse, not from a bacterial infection.

I get tested at the start and finish of every Thailand trip. Sometimes I get tested in the middle of my trip. I also get tested for HIV about 3 months after returning home. Haven't yet had a positive test for anything since mid-2000's.

I'm considering using PrEP for HIV during my next trip to Thailand. I know 2 tablet varieties of this, one being about $1 per day and the other being about $75 per day. Based on published data, those of us who never receive penetration (like me) have little to worry regarding HIV.

My process has not yet received the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval.

[MassageLover81]

I don't know if HPV can be tested for exactly or tested easily but the last time I had a complete physical exam so thorough that anything regarding HPV was brought up at all was 5 years ago. I had undergone a check everything everywhere physical exam at Bumrungrad Hospital required by my health insurer because I turned 65.

But the only thing that showed up regarding HPV, as pointed out to me by the doctor explaining every result for every test conducted, was trace evidence of me having taken the 3 step HPV vaccine regime a few years earlier. Which I had done at the Thai Red Cross near Lumpini Park.

Otherwise, nothing. No traces of it or any other STD or STI in my system. Same as every blood test for various STD / STIs I have periodically taken before or since. Which with regard to HPV is amazing even to me with all the DATY I have done over the past 50+ years.Wow congrats! That's amazing! You don't even have Herpes?

CDC said we all most likely have HPV even if we don't show symptoms. There are over 100 strains of HPV. HPV can be dormant and take 5-10 years to cause precancer and 20 years to cause cause cancer.

There is no HPV test for men.

CDC strongly recommends preteens to get HPV vaccine, so by the time they are sexually active, it will protect them from getting HPV.

I'm thinking of getting the HPV vaccine even though it doesn't seem to be recommended for people over 45 for some reason.

It's not clear to me why they don't recommend everyone to get HPV vaccine. Is it because insurance doesn't want to pay for it?

Thoughts?

Thanks!

[EihTooms]

Wow congrats! That's amazing! You don't even have Herpes?

CDC said we all most likely have HPV even if we don't show symptoms. There are over 100 strains of HPV. HPV can be dormant and take 5-10 years to cause precancer and 20 years to cause cause cancer.

There is no HPV test for men.

CDC strongly recommends preteens to get HPV vaccine, so by the time they are sexually active, it will protect them from getting HPV.

I'm thinking of getting the HPV vaccine even though it doesn't seem to be recommended for people over 45 for some reason.

It's not clear to me why they don't recommend everyone to get HPV vaccine. Is it because insurance doesn't want to pay for it?

Thoughts?

Thanks!I never thought about getting the HPV vaccine until after I moved to Thailand 12 years ago.

It was simply not on my radar as something to be concerned about. And it could have been because whatever I had read about it by then seemed to pertain mostly to young women being advised to take it.

My decision to get the 3 shot series was essentially a What The Hell, Why Not kind of thing. I was sitting in the Thai Red Cross Anonymous Clinic, waiting for the results of my HIV blood test, which I was getting done every 2-3 months just to know but mostly to have a Negative / Non-Reactive test result document in my name on hand should any of my partners want to see one, and I saw a poster on the wall saying the HPV vaccine series was available there.

So when I met with the nurse to receive my HIV test result I asked her about it:

Is there any reason I, as a (then) 62 year old man, should not take the HPV vaccine series?

No.

How much does it cost?

As I recall at that time, about 9 years ago, it cost about 2,100 baht per shot, totaling approximately 6,300 baht.

When can we start?

Right now. First shot today, next one a month or two later, next one a month or two after that.

So that's what I did. The first shot left my arm slightly sore for a few hours. No other side effects to speak of. I had health insurance at the time, but only for hospitalization, so I just paid out of pocket for each shot on the day I got it.

[LittleBigMan]

Vaccine or not to vaccine?

Conversation pre-teen obvious many of us past our price.

Medicare age one go see doctor LBM, you get new covid vaccine. Flu shot, shingles, etc, CAN I get HPV LOL!

[MassageLover81]

Vaccine or not to vaccine?

Conversation pre-teen obvious many of us past our price.

Medicare age one go see doctor LBM, you get new covid vaccine. Flu shot, shingles, etc, CAN I get HPV LOL!It seems like we can request for the HPV vaccine even if we are older than 45.

There are over 100 strains of HPV, and the HPV vaccine will prevent us from getting the cancer causing strains, assuming we don't already have the cancer causing ones.

[Explorer8939]

It seems like we can request for the HPV vaccine even if we are older than 45.

There are over 100 strains of HPV, and the HPV vaccine will prevent us from getting the cancer causing strains, assuming we don't already have the cancer causing ones.I believe that LBM was being facetious when mentioning an HPV vaccine, and was expressing anti-vax sentiment.

Still no information about whether Gardasil-9 is available in Pattaya.

[LittleBigMan]

I believe that LBM was being facetious when mentioning an HPV vaccine, and was expressing anti-vax sentiment.

Still no information about whether Gardasil-9 is available in Pattaya.Thanks, to be honest the talk is getting the vaccine when you are young. Fifty years ago when I got warts and Mono, the doctors made no mention of a vaccine cause it wasn't available as noted. At our age today if back home I was basically saying it would be kind of laughable one going into doctor office at medicare age, hey dr. Can I get the vaccine is it covered under the plan I like to continue eating beaver at my age and don't want to end up like Michael Douglas. LOL.

But also noted maybe no back home maybe it was you to go to Red Cross in Bangkok to get it, not sure BPH has it.

[Explorer8939]

I am well aware that Gardasil-9 is recommended for young people. The question is whether it's available for older people.

[SubCmdr]

BBFS 4 out of 10000 as per the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html

[EihTooms]

BBFS 4 out of 10000 as per the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.htmlPerhaps it should be mentioned that, according to that site, it is 4 out of 10,000 bareback insertive penis into vagina exposures with an HIV-positive partner, right? Not just 10,000 bareback fucks with 10,000 random women.

It could be 10,000 bareback fucks with the same HIV-positive partner, could be 1 fuck each with 10,000 different HIV-positive partners, or some combination of the two.

My guess is it would be rare for most of us to even meet an HIV-positive lady in our daily lives, much less fuck her. But it certainly can happen. Would it happen more than 10 times in our lifetimes, much less even close to 100 times, much less 10,000 times? Doubtful, imo.

Especially today when people with an HIV diagnosis have probably been put on a relatively low cost regime of medication that keeps their viral load so low it does not show up in a test and therefore they are not even considered "HIV-positive" at that time. Or the lady has such an early stage of infection that it is not showing up in any symptoms yet for her to know about it and seek medical care and at that stage the viral load might also be too low to infect a man inserting his penis into her vagina.

And, not to downplay any of these more than zero risks, but, seriously, what are the chances that at least 4 of the men who came up HIV-infected in a "10,000 exposures" survey told a bit of a fib about only ever having bareback heterosexual penis into vagina sex and, darn it all, plumb forgot to mention those one dozen or ten dozen times they got fucked in the butt by their longtime companion they never introduced to mom and dad? Only 4 in the study of what must have been hundreds or thousands? I would say the chances of that happening are pretty good.

Not to mention that study conclusion did not control for circumcised or not circumcised, co-factors of other ailments that produced an open sore on the man's penis at the time and so on. Those factors could also easily be in play among that "4 in 10,000 exposures with an HIV-positive partner" study conclusion.

[HorseTrader]

Especially today when people with an HIV diagnosis have probably been put on a relatively low cost regime of medication that keeps their viral load so low it does not show up in a test and therefore they are not even considered "HIV-positive" at that time. Or the lady has such an early stage of infection that it is not showing up in any symptoms yet for her to know about it and seek medical care and at that stage the viral load might also be too low to infect a man inserting his penis into her vagina.I have some insight into the Thai Government HIV care system. Several years ago one of my non-P4P friends got very sick and almost died when the doctors determined she had HIV. The HIV drugs brought her back to health and now you would have no idea she had HIV. Her only life limitation is she must take her daily HIV pills on an empty stomach and eat no food for 2 hours thereafter. Standard drug store HIV tests show negative. She has maintained the same job for 4-years now. She has quarterly doctor appointments where many local HIV patients are seen and evaluated. She gets her medication for the next 3 months and then lives a normal life. As of 3 years ago her HIV medication cost 200 baht quarterly. Since that time her medication has changed and I don't know the price of the new medication.

One observation she made is that more than half the HIV patients were ladyboys.

HIV is not the death sentence that it once was. For Thai people, it isn't even a terrible financial strain.

[LittleBigMan]

I have some insight into the Thai Government HIV care system. Several years ago one of my non-P4P friends got very sick and almost died when the doctors determined she had HIV. The HIV drugs brought her back to health and now you would have no idea she had HIV. Her only life limitation is she must take her daily HIV pills on an empty stomach and eat no food for 2 hours thereafter. Standard drug store HIV tests show negative. She has maintained the same job for 4-years now. She has quarterly doctor appointments where many local HIV patients are seen and evaluated. She gets her medication for the next 3 months and then lives a normal life. As of 3 years ago her HIV medication cost 200 baht quarterly. Since that time her medication has changed and I don't know the price of the new medication.

One observation she made is that more than half the HIV patients were ladyboys.

HIV is not the death sentence that it once was. For Thai people, it isn't even a terrible financial strain.Very accurate let me add, I'm certainly no expert I know it is very normal for others to talk about HIV as it was nothing today people will take what they read and mode it to justify what they are doing. In the early 80's my work I had people dying daily at that time it was unknown many chalk it up to some blood disease like Mono? I had many family and friends working at the health department at the time who put forth many regulations in the gay bath houses in our City. Just like the movie Phil, my ex-wife worked for a very high profile politician and her driver was gay visiting even before the diagnoses came that was the first time I saw the results of a person being sick or dying from it.

Living here who would have known got to have been over 15 years ago, I attended an expat meeting there I heard and met a Swiss doctor Dr. Seur in Pattaya along with another Thai doctor who oversaw the program at Chon Buri Hospital. Dr. Seur had a non-profit organization who help Thais with HIV, majority of his patients were as you noted Ladyboys.

I've seen some locals in Pattaya that shows the signs in fact my Thai neighbor across the road a LadyBoy had and die from it. Then years ago a GoGo girl I was seeing I met her friend who join us for dinner showed the signs in conversation later I ask to my surprise the answer was yes. She explained the taboo, afraid of the expense not being a resident of Chon Buri. I took her to see Dr. Seur to his private home turn into a clinic and yes many of his clients were Ladyboys, thereafter she was referred to the Thai doctor at Chon Buri hospital.

She was more comfortable than going to Banglamung since so many locals were there at Chon Buri, the doctor clinic area and office was like fort knox no signs tucked away in the back of building. She was started on a regime but more concerning to the lady she didn't want family or friends to know I've seen many outcast due to the ignorance of Thais. Just years ago, in Chon Buri, a non-profit had rented a large house open land serving Kids that were born with Aids neighbors found out and protest and demanded they leave the house.

Sadly, due to their education system believe more in rumors than anything. HIV is no longer a death sentences.

[Maringos]

Hi,

Plan my first trip to Bangkok soon and it seems that BB is the norm.

I am looking for PREEP pills to buy. Where can I find and how much is the average price?

Do I need a prescription?

Anonymity is important to me!

I looked few days back and didn't find that information. Any help?

Thanks.

[Explorer8939]

I had a silicon enhanced MILF over for drinks last year. One thing led to another and soon she was naked in bed, legs apart, waiting for Mr. Happy.

But, I knew she was married to a Farang husband, and so I pulled back, and ultimately sent her home (to her Thai kik). She moved to Germany with her husband.

Last night, a friend of hers told me she might have AIDS. The lady is in an out of the hospital and her hair is falling out. So, I may have dodged a bullet.

[Explorer8939]

How did the bargirl I mentioned before get HIV? She has a young Thai boyfriend, and young Thai men sometimes go with Farangs for quick money. And then pass any infections along to their Thai girlfriend.

Hopefully this lady hasn't infected her German husband.

[HorseTrader]

I had a silicon enhanced MILF over for drinks last year. One thing led to another and soon she was naked in bed, legs apart, waiting for Mr. Happy.

But, I knew she was married to a Farang husband, and so I pulled back, and ultimately sent her home (to her Thai kik). She moved to Germany with her husband.

Last night, a friend of hers told me she might have AIDS. The lady is in an out of the hospital and her hair is falling out. So, I may have dodged a bullet.


How did the bargirl I mentioned before get HIV? She has a young Thai boyfriend, and young Thai men sometimes go with Farangs for quick money. And then pass any infections along to their Thai girlfriend.

Hopefully this lady hasn't infected her German husband.Are you talking about the same bar girl in both posts? It seems to be a bit of a stretch from her friend saying she "might have AIDS" to her getting it from her Thai boyfriend to her maybe having given it to her German husband. Per separate links provided by SubCmdr (recently) and EihTooms (a while ago), it doesn't look like vaginal sex is a big contributor to HIV being passed from person to person.

Look to getting butt fucked and infected drug needles as major contributors to HIV transmission.

[HorseTrader]

I am looking for PREEP pills to buy. Where can I find and how much is the average price?

Do I need a prescription?

Anonymity is important to me!
I'm a bit surprised there have been no responses to this question, so I will post what little I know. Hopefully someone with more knowledge will chime in.

First, I asked this same question of a BKK friend and he didn't know, but he did suggest that there is an STD clinic in the Trendy Plaza on Sukhumvit Soi 13. It's on the ground floor more-or-less across the hall from the set of ATM machines. You might also try the Red Cross AIDS research center, which is near the northwest corner of Lumphini Park. Second is cost, which I researched in USA and found that there are two approved drugs for HIV PreP. One is very cheap (like $1 per day) while the other is very expensive (like too much for me to remember).

Another thought is that BB is not necessarily the standards, it is common but not always provided. Also, my internet reading indicates that you need to take PreP for some time before it's protection kicks in. I don't know if that means take it for a few days or a few months.

Please let us know if you get more reliable information.

[Explorer8939]

Are you talking about the same bar girl in both posts? It seems to be a bit of a stretch from her friend saying she "might have AIDS" to her getting it from her Thai boyfriend to her maybe having given it to her German husband. Per separate links provided by SubCmdr (recently) and EihTooms (a while ago), it doesn't look like vaginal sex is a big contributor to HIV being passed from person to person.

Look to getting butt fucked and infected drug needles as major contributors to HIV transmission.You are correct that transmission of HIV from a female to male via vaginal sex is relatively rare, whereas the reverse is less so.

[LittleBigMan]

You are correct that transmission of HIV from a female to male via vaginal sex is relatively rare, whereas the reverse is less so.Isn't the history of HIV spreading or rumor in Thailand? I've read long ago the spread came from the Thai males who like to go both ways and not surprise although one would think with one of toughest martial arts in the world I find many Thai male go about as if they have a bit of sugar in the tank. Watching Thais males around my village reason many expats uses the phrase " Soi Dog " towards Thai men they will fuck anything even a disease dog if it is free. LOL.

[Explorer8939]

Isn't the history of HIV spreading or rumor in Thailand? I've read long ago the spread came from the Thai males who like to go both ways and not surprise although one would think with one of toughest martial arts in the world I find many Thai male go about as if they have a bit of sugar in the tank. Watching Thais males around my village reason many expats uses the phrase " Soi Dog " towards Thai men they will fuck anything even a disease dog if it is free. LOL.The problem for Thai ladies in Pattaya isn't who their boyfriend fucks, it's who fucks their Thai boyfriend.

There are some Thai money boys living on my floor, they wait for calls from Farang customers, do their business, and then go with their Thai girlfriends.

[LittleBigMan]

The problem for Thai ladies in Pattaya isn't who their boyfriend fucks, it's who fucks their Thai boyfriend.

There are some Thai money boys living on my floor, they wait for calls from Farang customers, do their business, and then go with their Thai girlfriends.That might be the saying but twist in words the conclusion is really the same.

Not only your floor but before covid down near Soi 13, basically a ewhich man *****house where ladies go you think these younger
guys neglected older women go are all clean and straight.
There are many reasons why the spread and it isnt all for the reason you noting.

[Gabacho]

Thanks, to be honest the talk is getting the vaccine when you are young. Fifty years ago when I got warts and Mono, the doctors made no mention of a vaccine cause it wasn't available as noted. At our age today if back home I was basically saying it would be kind of laughable one going into doctor office at medicare age, hey dr. Can I get the vaccine is it covered under the plan I like to continue eating beaver at my age and don't want to end up like Michael Douglas. LOL.

But also noted maybe no back home maybe it was you to go to Red Cross in Bangkok to get it, not sure BPH has it.You can just walk into Walmart and get it at the in-store pharmacy. No need to ask a doctor. It's given up to age 45 (not sure how old your are). It's like $317 per dose if you don't have insurance to pay for it and it's 3 doses total over a course of 6 months. I also looked up for in Thailand there's a clinic called the Thai travel clinic in Bangkok they have gardasil 9 there and it's cheaper.

Also another vaccine to get is called Bexsero. It's for meningitis-be but it's used off label to reduce instances of gonorrhea and according to several recent studies it lowers your chances of contracting gonorrhea by 30-40%. Which isn't 100% but it may help nonetheless.

Also the varivax (varicella vaccine) for chicken pox offers cross-protection against herpes HSV2 infection. There was a test on Guinea pigs and they were given varivax and then infected with HSV2 and they had less outbreaks and (less severe herpes sores when they did have outbreaks) as compared to Guinea pigs who were not vaccinated with Varivax.

Also good to get Jynneos / Monkey Pox vaccine and Typhim VI typhoid fever vaccine as those diseases can be spread through sex although they aren't considered STDs.

Also Hep A & Hep be in a combined vaccine called twinrix is good to get Hep A can be spread through sex also.

Also if staying in Thailand long term maybe check out JE Vaccine (Japanese Encephalitis) and Dengue Fever vaccine the new one (Qdenga) those are to protect you from diseases you can get from mosquito bites.

Especially if you are traveling through Thailand by bus to smaller towns such as Hat Yai or Udon Thani or any places where they have pig farms near rice growing areas then definitely get the JE Vaccine.

[HorseTrader]

BBFS 4 out of 10000 as per the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.htmlI'm a bit of a geek who has had near zero training in probability, but I wanted to know what my chances are of catching HIV per trip. I made some assumptions: (a) 30% of Thai hookers are HIV positive and in a condition that they can transmit HIV via vaginal sex, (b) 40 BBFSCIP per trip, and (c) 4 in 10,000 applies to me. That 30% number is probably higher than reality, but my 40 BBFSCIP per trip is not too far off. Working through the math (remember near zero probability training, just online reading), I figure my chances of getting HIV on any given trip are 0.48%. So, about 1 in 200 chance of getting infection per trip. That's a risk that I'll run. Here are some other numbers, all assuming 30% of girls are HIV positive and can infect someone.

1 session: 0.01% chance.
10 sessions: 0.12% chance.
100 sessions: 1.19% chance.
1,000 sessions: 11.31% chance.
10,000 sessions: 69.88% chance.
40,000 sessions: 99.18% chance.

[TommySued]

I'm a bit of a geek who has had near zero training in probability, but I wanted to know what my chances are of catching HIV per trip. I made some assumptions: (a) 30% of Thai hookers are HIV positive and in a condition that they can transmit HIV via vaginal sex, (b) 40 BBFSCIP per trip, and (c) 4 in 10,000 applies to me. That 30% number is probably higher than reality, but my 40 BBFSCIP per trip is not too far off. Working through the math (remember near zero probability training, just online reading), I figure my chances of getting HIV on any given trip are 0.48%. So, about 1 in 200 chance of getting infection per trip. That's a risk that I'll run. Here are some other numbers, all assuming 30% of girls are HIV positive and can infect someone.

1 session: 0.01% chance.
10 sessions: 0.12% chance.
100 sessions: 1.19% chance.
1,000 sessions: 11.31% chance.
10,000 sessions: 69.88% chance.
40,000 sessions: 99.18% chance.Bad calculations. Also starting with wrong assumptions.

Prevalence of HIV is not higher within sexworkers than within non-sexworkers.

Those 0. 04 % „risk" from CDC are way too high; you can reduce down by a factor of at least 100.

Those „historic" numbers still include all the liars who pretend (ed) they got HIV from a woman. In reality they have / had sex with men & ladyboys.

You probably can't imagine how many so called hetero guys (also married to women and having children) are in reality hidden gays or bisexuals. Men on the downlow.

Women are HIV carriers but not HIV vectors.

When I went to the infectious diseases dept. At a clinic for the first time, the doc asked me if I had hetero- or homosexual sex.

I responded heterosexual (which is the truth), he replied „You are not at risk. But if you want to do the test, we can do it. However I am very sure that it will be negative. ".

So it was. And so it still is. After going BBFS for more almost 40 years now.

[HorseTrader]

Bad calculations. Also starting with wrong assumptions.
And your assumptions, references, and calculations are?

[LittleBigMan]

You can just walk into Walmart and get it at the in-store pharmacy. No need to ask a doctor. It's given up to age 45 (not sure how old your are). It's like $317 per dose if you don't have insurance to pay for it and it's 3 doses total over a course of 6 months. I also looked up for in Thailand there's a clinic called the Thai travel clinic in Bangkok they have gardasil 9 there and it's cheaper.

Also another vaccine to get is called Bexsero. It's for meningitis-be but it's used off label to reduce instances of gonorrhea and according to several recent studies it lowers your chances of contracting gonorrhea by 30-40%. Which isn't 100% but it may help nonetheless.

Also the varivax (varicella vaccine) for chicken pox offers cross-protection against herpes HSV2 infection. There was a test on Guinea pigs and they were given varivax and then infected with HSV2 and they had less outbreaks and (less severe herpes sores when they did have outbreaks) as compared to Guinea pigs who were not vaccinated with Varivax.

Also good to get Jynneos / Monkey Pox vaccine and Typhim VI typhoid fever vaccine as those diseases can be spread through sex although they aren't considered

Also Hep A & Hep be in a combined vaccine called twinrix is good to get Hep A can be spread through sex also.

Also if staying in Thailand long term maybe check out JE Vaccine (Japanese Encephalitis) and Dengue Fever vaccine the new one (Qdenga) those are to protect you from diseases you can get from mosquito bites.

Especially if you are traveling through Thailand by bus to smaller towns such as Hat Yai or Udon Thani or any places where they have pig farms near rice growing areas then definitely get the JE Vaccine.Thanks for the information. Based on my age 70, it isn't going to happen Wal-Mart or anywhere else. I'm wondering why up to 45 years of age since even if small how the hell did Michael Douglas get it in his 70-80. All the others I've been here for 20 years never even consider any shots before coming even Hep even Dengue and I'm not local being bitten I know I just stir at them and think how long can I go and then they are so into the bite SMACK their dead and these are the black one's. Never even put any type of mosquito cream NOTHING! Even after the bites no marks or itching.

By now near the end of my cycle if I'm not sick or dead I'm going to continue to do what I normally do just like I've been doing and go about life not trying to worry and enjoy myself when the moment comes.

[EverythingThai]

Do you guys enjoy talking about this? I'm asking because no matter what is discussed here in this thread, people will do what they want. Nothing said here will change that. To me, it seems like a bunch of guys discussing the dangers of going BB and trying to justify why they don't do it when in fact, they probably do go BB all the time. After doing so, they feel better advocating for safe sex in an anonymous sex forum to make themselves feel better. Why bother?

Wait, I will even go you one better. I bet you all want to go BB and you are trying to talk yourselves out of it by advocating for safe sex on here.

I say Nike "Just do it"

Do what you want.

[SubCmdr]

Do you guys enjoy talking about this? I'm asking because no matter what is discussed here in this thread, people will do what they want. Nothing said here will change that.But exactly how is this different from any other subject on ISG?

Subjects

How much to pay for your prostitutes?

Where to find your prostitutes?

Where to fuck your prostitutes?

Should you go down on your prostitutes? (personally I don't pay to eat pussy but to each their own).

How many lady drinks to buy your prostitutes?

I have a few questions for you: Do you believe the conversation should be censored based on your beliefs and practices? Why do you read the thread if your mind is already made up? Do you actually have an interest in it the subject of the thread? Does it upset in some way or do you take personal offense if someone else chooses to wear a condom?

I think condom use is personal decision and it is optional. I have found that individuals seem to have very strong opinions on the issue. I have never understood why that is since the decision is personal like getting the COVID vax or wearing a mask, riding a motorbike using a helmet or not. Currently, there are several posts about condom usage in the Pattaya Reports thread. Is that a problem for you?

[EverythingThai]

Do you guys enjoy talking about this? I'm asking because no matter what is discussed here in this thread, people will do what they want. Nothing said here will change that. To me, it seems like a bunch of guys discussing the dangers of going BB and trying to justify why they don't do it when in fact, they probably do go BB all the time. After doing so, they feel better advocating for safe sex in an anonymous sex forum to make themselves feel better. Why bother?

Wait, I will even go you one better. I bet you all want to go BB and you are trying to talk yourselves out of it by advocating for safe sex on here.

I say Nike "Just do it"

Do what you want.I think if this was something I was really worried about, instead of consulting unqualified medical professionals, I would consult a doctor on the best safe sex practices and the odds of becoming infected with an STD if having BBFS. This includes the medication people recommend in here. I would never take any medicine unless it was prescribed by a doctor. Anyways, that's my two cents worth.

[SubCmdr]

In my opinion if someone was truly unconcerned about Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions it they would not read this thread at all. Let alone participate in it by asking questions and posting. LOL!

I take medicines that hav not been prescribed by a doctor all the time. Not really something I am worried about.

[MassageLover81]

I'm wondering why up to 45 years of age since even if small how the hell did Michael Douglas get it in his 70-80..I'm over 45 and tried to get it the HPV vaccine from my pcp and he wouldn't get it for me in the beginning. I told him I will pay out of pocket and kept pushing for it and he finally ordered it off label.

I think it's an insurance payment thing.

It could take 5-20 years before HPV turns into precancer and cancer according to cancer. Gov.

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/infectious-agents/hpv-and-cancer#text=Although%20 research%20 has%20 focused%20 on, years%20 to%20 develop%20 into%20 cancer.

"Research has found that it can take 5 to 10 years for HPV-infected cervical cells to develop into precancers and about 20 years to develop into cancer. ".

Perhaps Michael Douglas loves to monger too.

[HorseTrader]

I think if this was something I was really worried about, instead of consulting unqualified medical professionals, I would consult a doctor on the best safe sex practices and the odds of becoming infected with an STD if having BBFS. This includes the medication people recommend in here. I would never take any medicine unless it was prescribed by a doctor. Anyways, that's my two cents worth.Some years ago I actually asked an infectious diseases doctor that question. He said it's more efficient transmitting from male to female than vice versa and it's not safe to go BB. Nothing else learned.

[Edk750]

I'm over 45 and tried to get it the HPV vaccine from my pcp and he wouldn't get it for me in the beginning. I told him I will pay out of pocket and kept pushing for it and he finally ordered it off label.

I think it's an insurance payment thing.

It could take 5-20 years before HPV turns into precancer and cancer according to cancer. Gov.

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/infectious-agents/hpv-and-cancer#text=Although%20 research%20 has%20 focused%20 on, years%20 to%20 develop%20 into%20 cancer.

"Research has found that it can take 5 to 10 years for HPV-infected cervical cells to develop into precancers and about 20 years to develop into cancer..I'm over the age limit for HPV vaccine. I tried Costco pharmacy, and they refused to do it. Checked with other pharmacies, who also refused. Nobody could tell me why. I even got an appointment with Planned Parenthood, and they cancelled the appt, once the Dr. Saw my age. Nobody will do it, even when paying fully out of pocket, and nobody will explain why.

[LittleBigMan]

I'm over the age limit for HPV vaccine. I tried Costco pharmacy, and they refused to do it. Checked with other pharmacies, who also refused. Nobody could tell me why. I even got an appointment with Planned Parenthood, and they cancelled the appt, once the Dr. Saw my age. Nobody will do it, even when paying fully out of pocket, and nobody will explain why.Here is my unprofessional take on the vaccine! Due to PC / Woke and many Doctors bedside manner just don't want to take an old MF, laughing you still getting pussy at your age! That was what I refer earlier in my comments being under Medicare in my annual wellness examine " hey dr. Can you get me the HPV vaccine " watch him face his body language get a go uncomfortable look at his face either he or she will turn red or want to bust out laughing.

I did do a bit of research in the number of articles I read it just noted ideal age that it is less effective even at 45 and that older than most likely have been exposed to some form of HPV.

[Gabacho]

Here is my unprofessional take on the vaccine! Due to PC / Woke and many Doctors bedside manner just don't want to take an old MF, laughing you still getting pussy at your age! That was what I refer earlier in my comments being under Medicare in my annual wellness examine " hey dr. Can you get me the HPV vaccine " watch him face his body language get a go uncomfortable look at his face either he or she will turn red or want to bust out laughing.

I did do a bit of research in the number of articles I read it just noted ideal age that it is less effective even at 45 and that older than most likely have been exposed to some form of HPV.The whole point besides it preventing you getting cancer in 20 years would also be to prevent you from passing it onto girls who you bareback. That is the whole reason they are vaccinating males with gardasil 9 because it was originally meant just for females.

[LittleBigMan]

The whole point besides it preventing you getting cancer in 20 years would also be to prevent you from passing it onto girls who you bareback. That is the whole reason they are vaccinating males with gardasil 9 because it was originally meant just for females.The point is if got it right both of us are too old to get it. That was the original discussion. So that being said based on posting that would elliminate everyone here so as noted why discuss just go on with our ways and do what so far works and not over think it.

[XXL]

This is from Bangkok Hospital:

[Explorer8939]

This is from Bangkok Hospital:The implication is that a doctor must be consulted first. That's probably expensive.

[SubCmdr]

I have found that treatment at Bangkok Pattaya hospital to very reasonable in price. When asked how I thought the pain I was experiencing in my ankle was a sexually translated disease, I explained to them that I have been fucking so much in the standing doggie position that I think my pain might be related related to that.

As a preventive measure they suggested that I fuck in a different position and use a condom. LOL!

How you like me now?

[LittleBigMan]

This is from Bangkok Hospital:There you go XXL. Has provided an answer for those 45 over and can't get it back home! Now the choice is up to you as they say!
As for expensive I think XXL just gave that price 20,000 guess it is like price for everything that seem to be discussed and always comes up. If you want it like everything just put up it is just like going out buying drinks and paying the piper.

As for hospital here from the outside looking in impressive but using it and I do myself, for emergency stuff and hope to god when you do you are awake and it is a simple procedure what I call cookie cutter stuff which is what everyone raves about something deeper that requires thought like shows of Dr. House, or the Good Doctor LOL, hope you got deep pockets and not something real serious. I you know me I've got twenty years of actual stories.

[Vigo]

Yes, that is the right area Vendelo.

Heavenly Bar.

Heavenly Massage.

Orchid Massage.

Coconut Massage.

"Unknown name" Massage.

Mama Restaurant and Bar Bar, which also has three massage / sex rooms at the back.

Saw probably a dozen acceptable 20 to early 30's women across all the shops around 4:00 pm in the afternoon.

Picked a very acceptable looks and body 23 yo from the offerings getting a good strong massage to start, then quickly moving to extras of to the hilt BBBJ, sixty nine, photos and videos, ending with bareback sex and bareback anal, sadly no creampie, all for the exorbitant sum of 2,000 baht, and a 300 baht tip.

I'll definitely be back there again.Some good info here. Any tips on staying safe with the bareback? Last time out there, I picked up chlamydia!

[HorseTrader]

Some good info here. Any tips on staying safe with the bareback? Last time out there, I picked up chlamydia!There is a thread titled something like "safe sex in Thailand". If you search that thread you will find some thoughts on the subject. None of those suggestions have the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Some good info here. Any tips on staying safe with the bareback? Last time out there, I picked up chlamydia!Search the web on Doxy-PEP.

Post exposure treatment using Doxycycline.

[EverythingThai]

But no matter, I really don't care about YOUR safety, I just want my visits to be safe from those who might contaminate the working girls.What makes you think we are going to come into contact with the same girls as you? What I or other members do is not relevant to what you do. Secondly, how could you possibly control who else sees one of the girls you see? For example, other customers, other boyfriends, other Kiks, a Thai BF or husband. You just can't control what these girls do. Therefore, no amount of preaching from you on here will protect you or change that. Everything you say is not relevant here. The Thai girl that goes with you will be fucking someone bareback. We know it won't be you, but it will be someone. So please crack on. Just know this, you will never be protected under your twisted logic, as every Thai girl you go with, no matter where they work or how they work, is fucking someone bareback. Plus you always wear a condom right? So, what are you worried about?

[SubCmdr]

What makes you think we are going to come into contact with the same girls as you?Good question!


What I or other members do is not relevant to what you do.Oh, shit. Everything comes out swinging. It's about to go down for real!


Secondly, how could you possibly control who else sees one of the girls you see? For example, other customers, other boyfriends, other Kiks, a Thai BF or husband. He has a good point!


You just can't control what these girls do.I man cannot know what your own fucking wife or girlfriend is doing. You know how many of those I fucked. And if you are a sponsor from a distance just ask Explorer (who is currently in Japan) how that is going to work out for ya.


Therefore, no amount of preaching from you on here will protect you or change that.I hear you brother!


The Thai girl that goes with you will be fucking someone bareback. We know it won't be you, but it will be someone. Preach brother Preach!


Just know this, you will never be protected under your twisted logic, as every Thai girl you go with, no matter where they work or how they work, is fucking someone bareback. Can I get a witness?


Plus you always wear a condom right? So, what are you worried about?Oh, you hurt them on that one. Probably goes down on these girls and is worried about lapping up the cum of other men. Holla!.

All you left out was: How you like me now?.

[Werqweq]

For anyone interested in starting to take PrEP (I worry about HIV, so for me PrEP was a game changer), I recently saw a recommendation for this clinic in Bangkok:

https://pribta-tangerine.com/prep-new-999/

The price of a the test, with a 30 day supply of PrEP, is only slightly higher than buying PrEP at a random pharmacy, so seems like an excellent choice. Caveat: I have not been to this clinic, but it was highly recommended, and I plan to go there next time, to get both the test and the PrEP medince.

[NoBuglyFitches]

I'm over the age limit for HPV vaccine. I tried Costco pharmacy, and they refused to do it. Checked with other pharmacies, who also refused. Nobody could tell me why. I even got an appointment with Planned Parenthood, and they cancelled the appt, once the Dr. Saw my age. Nobody will do it, even when paying fully out of pocket, and nobody will explain why.US pharmacies can't give you the vaccine because it is only approved by the US FDA up to age 45.

But they WILL do it if you get a doctor's prescription. Or your doctor can do it.

Or you can go to a new pharmacy and tell them you're 44 (if you pass on looks).

Cost is $220 per dose. You need 3 doses, spaced 6 months apart, so it's $660 total.

It's not approved for 45+ in the USA because no studies were done.

It is believed that over a certain age your body will not generate the necessary immune response, so vaccine would not be effective.

That said, you can get it at any age in either Hong Kong or Amsterdam (among others).

[GettingTang]

I have definitely put my dick in some suspect things over the years and knock on wood, to date I have never picked anything up. Now this is definitely not bulletproof, but it is worth consideration for a trip to Thailand. If you plan on going bareback a few times. Generally speaking, I will take my blowjobs bare and I cover up for actual fucking. But every once in a while if I get with a super hottie who is super into it, the heat of the moment takes over and I might take a dip in the pool without my raincoat on. It's kind of a case by case situation for me. If there's any odor or anything looks abnormal, I'm not going there for sure. Condom or not. That said, I have always done two things when engaging in this hobby. Before the deed, whether it be beer or water, I will make sure I have consumed enough that within about 30 to 45 minutes I will definitely be running to the toilet to urinate. I try to time this. And if I know I'm going to be partaking in a mongering adventure for several days, I will also take 100 MG of doxycycline every other day. This is basically assured to keep you from picking up any of the bacterial STDs. And urinating within a few minutes after the deed will also up the chances you walk away unscathed. Doxycycline is not practical to take for a one time encounter. But if you're going to somewhere like Patea and you're going to fuck 30 girls in two weeks, it's definitely something to consider. Especially if you might go bareback with a few of them. Now I know some doctors will say you should take 100 MG per day if on a mongering adventure, but this conflicts with drinking alcohol. It's not recommended to take that medication if you're going to consume large amounts of alcohol. But every other day seems to be still very effective and will allow you to drink alcohol.

[HorseTrader]

I have definitely put my dick in some suspect things over the years and knock on wood, to date I have never picked anything up. Now this is definitely not bulletproof, but it is worth consideration for a trip to Thailand. If you plan on going bareback a few times. Generally speaking, I will take my blowjobs bare and I cover up for actual fucking. But every once in a while if I get with a super hottie who is super into it, the heat of the moment takes over and I might take a dip in the pool without my raincoat on. It's kind of a case by case situation for me. If there's any odor or anything looks abnormal, I'm not going there for sure. Condom or not. That said, I have always done two things when engaging in this hobby. Before the deed, whether it be beer or water, I will make sure I have consumed enough that within about 30 to 45 minutes I will definitely be running to the toilet to urinate. I try to time this. And if I know I'm going to be partaking in a mongering adventure for several days, I will also take 100 MG of doxycycline every other day. This is basically assured to keep you from picking up any of the bacterial STDs. And urinating within a few minutes after the deed will also up the chances you walk away unscathed. Doxycycline is not practical to take for a one time encounter. But if you're going to somewhere like Patea and you're going to fuck 30 girls in two weeks, it's definitely something to consider. Especially if you might go bareback with a few of them. Now I know some doctors will say you should take 100 MG per day if on a mongering adventure, but this conflicts with drinking alcohol. It's not recommended to take that medication if you're going to consume large amounts of alcohol. But every other day seems to be still very effective and will allow you to drink alcohol.I do essentially the same thing. I don't drink much alcohol, but caffeine does the same thing. I drink a lot of Coke before and/or immediately after sex. For skin reasons, my dermatologist has me taking daily Doxycycline, so I'm covered there. Also, both of us wash before sex and I wash immediately after sex. Since I started this routine, I've stayed clear of all STDs. I only hope that good fortune continues. I get an extensive set of STD tests before and after visiting Thailand. I repeat my HIV tests a few weeks after returning home.

20-25 years ago I did many BBBJs with USA street hookers without cleaning, pissing, or antibiotics. Filthy habit. Once I got gonorrhea and was slow in seeking medical attention. A single does of oral antibiotics plus a single injection cleared the bacteria quickly, but there were unpleasant lingering effects for a few years.

[EverythingThai]

Ts 3 am I had just wrote a big post and then I was logged out. I have done it again as I want to inform fellow mongers as there is a lot of misinformation being posted on here.

I used to post here a few times way back but can't remeber my account.

I used to go to sw shop when it had a lot of hot performers like will momay and June who like a real anal probing.

I started of in tulips tho and there was some decent talent before like nadear and some very nice looking ones but I can't remeber the names maybe cee cee a few times was enough as I discovered sw shop and tulips seemed to go off. I dated a sw lady after that and so didn't go anymore. Last year I was in bkk and felt nostalgic as sukhunwit was not as good as before so I checked out tulip at 11.30 pm line up eas empty and nothing ID want even if drunk. Shortly after guitar closed up but even though ID gotten a large leo8 at 7-11 I didn't feel like taking her up on her offer as she was a bit bigger than my tastes but after reading about her huge pussy here I regret it.

Last after feeling bored with my GF and realisong how fast times slipping away I decided to visit tulips.

After reading all the bbcip post I thought I fancied some excitment.

I entered tulips after a big bottle of the leo8 nothing decent so I was disapointed then I saw a slimmish dark toned woman staring at me and I knew that was a good sign so took her.

In the room she suddenly seemed disinterested pulled her leggings off and told me shower. Quick wash of my balls and ass and that was it so I went out dried and got on the bed.

She took a condom oit her bag at the bottom. Of the bed and then started coming up and licking my man tits. That gets me very horney as I like the woman to make the moves. After that I got so horney I flipped her round and feasted on the pink hole it smelled clean so I inserted my tongue inside and she was moaning slightly and getting moist. It tasted clean so from. Past experience that's usually safe.

After 5 minutes of moaning and getring bored of her non deep sucking I turned her round she seemed to like some sloppy DFK and opened her legs nice and wide so I rubbed my throbbing 22 cm sicilian salami on it and then just slid it in causing more moaning. It was nice and wet and I was surpised how tight and I could feel kt squeezing so I just slid in and out for 10 minutes before turning her for doggy I could see her ass looked nice and wet and by this stage I thought what the hell I shouldn't but ill enjoy it so I touched the brown eye and rubbed it. She then quickly reached for the baby oil rubbed it on my throbbing glands and a quick rub on her backdoor.

She then went back to doggy position and said slowly. I like cock teasers but that dirty have your way attirude also excites me so I just started sliding in and she gasped a little and put her hand there to slow it up.

It slid in nice and easy but half way in it was jamming up and she was rounding and tesning a little so I just alid in and out slowly and it gradually loosened up until I was basically giving her an enema and some of the brown juices were releasing once it got a bit to much I went to rinse innthe shower and she came in and the bent over to get pentrated again. After 5 minutes I went back to the bed and did the front door which was tighter until I exploded really hard with the small pussy squeezing out every drop. She had a quick rinse innthe shower then sat on the bed looking at herself in the mirror. After this with 15 minutes left of the hour I disnt think ID have another shot but after 10 minutes I started fancying going inside the brown eye again but thought I might not enjoy it as much and stop where I was.

A few hours later the thrill must have boosted my t levels as for the next few days my salami was throbbing and I wanted to repeat the dirty thrill. After a week I went back I didn't tell her I was going I thought ID see who was there.

The last time I went I saw a tallish lady with dyed yellow hair I had really wanted her as she had nice looking tits bit a japanese guy had just taken her.

If anyone know who it was and if she is any good ID like to know.

I eemt about 8 pm earlier this week no nice ladys in the line up to old and overweight so stupidly I asked for the lady I had before and the reception called amd she appeared. This time I also stupodly said 2 hrs and gave her the change as ID not tipped 1st time.

She seemed a bit disinterested again and bit more tired this time. I thought she might of had a customer so I wdnt be licking the pinky hole incase I was tasting some mans juice.

After shower a little DFK then she putsome jell and I slid in for raw fun not as wet this time and not as squeezing. Turned around for the backdoor no brown water this time and it was still a little while to get the full length up there so I swapped holes a few times after about 30 minutes she seemed to be struggling to get pumped in the backdoor so I changed to the tighter pussy and finished there.

Altho she wasnt as into it she seemed to like having the yogurt inseminated amd didn't bother to wash it out. I hadn't enjoyed as much as was feeling a bit dirty and worried at risking it again. I asked if I could cancel the 2nd hour as it was just 55 minutes and she looked tired. Dhe asked the reception and came back saying I cld have have 200 be only so I said ok. At recption she got the 200 be and walked to the door with it and obvious that she wanted it. I felr the attitutde was becoming less good but since I hadn't tipped first time indidnt ask for it. But if it was a larger amount I would have as to many guys giving to much spoil it for everyone. Nowadays hookers here are becoming worse like in the west.

Well the reason I'm posting is because of all the total BS posts on here and the other forum saying they bb loads of p4 p ladys and catch nothing. A long time a go I used to bb bargirls and after cathing stds every few times I generally stopped doing it. The girls that don't bb are gerneally cleaner so these posts about the bb girls not giving them anything is pretty misleading to other mongers. Those are the type of guys who talk aboit thai women being uneducated when they mean the bargirls they talk to yet if they read any medical info they would know stds often don't have synptomns so if they test themselves they probably catch nothing as they already are infected.

This isn't a rant against bb or those guys as I also prefer it and occasional get tempted. Inlike knowing the providers do that as they are usually more hardcore but its wrong to mislead others about the risks.

2 days later I started getting burning urination and sticky discharge. I suspect its the clap as I don't think cm gives me symptomns. I'm testing this theory by treating clap only and if the discharge stops I’ll then see about doing a cm test. To do a full std test will cost more than the tulip session and now my GF will be infected also so I had to medicate her also by pretending the pills were vitamin see tablets I wanted her to eat.I want to correct your post. Nobody here that posts about BBFS with ladies has ever said they have never gotten an STD such as the big G or the big C. At least I have not read one such post recently. Including my own posts.

Secondly, I think your report is outdated as your visit to Tulip was from last year, unless you typed wrong. Therefore, it's not relevant IMHO.

Finally, everyone here who practices BBFS with the ladies knows what they are doing. Meaning they accept the risks. Therefore, we dont need you to post about this IMHO.

If any forum member practicing BBFS with the ladies is naive enough to believe they are 100% immune from STDs, they will find out soon enough thats not the case. There is always a chance you might catch something. The debate about female to male transmission of HIV is not what I am referring to. Just a general statement on this is what I am doing to hopefully educate others to never practice this hobby of BBFS thinking you are immune. In 15 years of being here practicing this hobby, I have caught something twice. Both times it was Chlamydia. I test for HIV every month and take medication to prevent it. No one is immune.

[Pimpampoumpipo]

Taking an antibiotic unnecessarily therefore has a double negative effect on an individual by altering their microbiome and protective barrier and by selecting resistant bacteria. It can thus increase the risk of a subsequent infection that is difficult to treat.

Antibiotic resistance is now reaching dangerously high levels in all regions of the world. New resistance mechanisms are emerging and spreading worldwide, undermining our ability to treat common infectious diseases. For a growing number of infections, such as pneumonia, tuberculosis, sepsis, gonorrhoea, and foodborne illnesses, treatment is becoming more difficult or even impossible as antibiotics become less effective.

In countries where antibiotics are available over the counter for humans and animals, the problem of the emergence and spread of resistance is even worse. Similarly, in countries without standardized treatment guidelines, antibiotics are overprescribed by health workers and veterinarians and overused by the general public.

Unless we take urgent action, we will soon enter a post-antibiotic era in which common infections and minor injuries will once again be deadly.

Antibiotic resistance is the phenomenon whereby bacteria become resistant to antibiotics. Bacteria exposed to antibiotics evolve and develop defense mechanisms that allow them to escape their action. This phenomenon affects both bacteria that cause infections (pathogenic bacteria) and generally harmless bacteria that are naturally present in our bodies (so-called commensal bacteria), in animals (pets or food production) and in the environment. When resistance has developed in one or other of these bacterial species, it can be transmitted to other species, and thus contribute to the expansion and spread of the phenomenon. Antibiotics thus become ineffective and can no longer treat us against infections caused by resistant bacteria.

Antibiotics act not only on the bacteria responsible for the infection to be treated, but they also act on bacteria that are useful to our body. All bacteria are therefore at risk of developing new antibiotic resistance mechanisms. The more antibiotics are taken, the greater the risk of developing resistant bacteria that make subsequent antibiotic treatments less effective for the patient and for the community.

[GettingTang]

Taking an antibiotic unnecessarily therefore has a double negative effect on an individual by altering their microbiome and protective barrier and by selecting resistant bacteria. It can thus increase the risk of a subsequent infection that is difficult to treat.

Antibiotic resistance is now reaching dangerously high levels in all regions of the world. New resistance mechanisms are emerging and spreading worldwide, undermining our ability to treat common infectious diseases. For a growing number of infections, such as pneumonia, tuberculosis, sepsis, gonorrhoea, and foodborne illnesses, treatment is becoming more difficult or even impossible as antibiotics become less effective.

In countries where antibiotics are available over the counter for humans and animals, the problem of the emergence and spread of resistance is even worse. Similarly, in countries without standardized treatment guidelines, antibiotics are overprescribed by health workers and veterinarians and overused by the general public.

Unless we take urgent action, we will soon enter a post-antibiotic era in which common infections and minor injuries will once again be deadly.

Antibiotic resistance is the phenomenon whereby bacteria become resistant to antibiotics. Bacteria exposed to antibiotics evolve and develop defense mechanisms that allow them to escape their action. This phenomenon affects both bacteria that cause infections (pathogenic bacteria) and generally harmless bacteria that are naturally present in our bodies (so-called commensal bacteria), in animals (pets or food production) and in the environment. When resistance has developed in one or other of these bacterial species, it can be transmitted to other species, and thus contribute to the expansion and spread of the phenomenon. Antibiotics thus become ineffective and can no longer treat us against infections caused by resistant bacteria.

Antibiotics act not only on the bacteria responsible for the infection to be treated, but they also act on bacteria that are useful to our body. All bacteria are therefore at risk of developing new antibiotic resistance mechanisms. The more antibiotics are taken, the greater the risk of developing resistant bacteria that make subsequent antibiotic treatments less effective for the patient and for the community.This is true, but also not true. It really doesn't apply using as a prep. Resistant bacteria becomes resistant when you're taking antibiotics for an infection and it doesn't clear it and so therefore it comes back. Now it knows how to evade the antibiotics. And then it develops resistance. If the bacteria never gets seeded in the first place, It won't become resistant because it never took on an infection. That's the reason for prep. Now it is true that specifically gonorrhea is becoming quite resistant and is in many cases requiring a three therapy treatment now. Azithromycin, Suprax and doxycycline as many times when someone picks up one of these things they get both of them. They get both chlamydia and gonorrhea. You can substitute suprax with the shot. Any one of these three antibiotics should clear both gonorrhea and chlamydia but due to the resistance now more frequent, doctors are now treating all infections with at least two antibiotics. Eventually, most likely will become resistant to these and after that? The world might change at least the sex world. Because gonorrhea will begin running repent, and it won't be treatable. So preventing it in the first place is your best bet. Taking one, 100 MG dose of doxycycline every other day during a mongering trip probably yields you about a 98% chance of not catching any bacterial related infection assuming you came into contact with it. Doing this does not cause bacterial resistance because if you're exposed to a resistant form of it, it was already resistant.

[Pimpampoumpipo]

This is true, but also not true....Please cite your sources.

For my part, all the points in my post come from official sites including the WHO: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/antimicrobial-resistance.

The answers to your post are already contained in mine.

A simple and quick search on the internet should be enough for your knowledge of the subject. There are a lot of sites that will enlighten you.

[HorseTrader]

Taking an antibiotic unnecessarily therefore has a double negative effect on an individual by altering their microbiome and protective barrier and by selecting resistant bacteria. It can thus increase the risk of a subsequent infection that is difficult to treat.



This is true, but also not true. It really doesn't apply using as a prep. Resistant bacteria becomes resistant when you're taking antibiotics for an infection and it doesn't clear it and so therefore it comes back. Now it knows how to evade the antibiotics. And then it develops resistance. If the bacteria never gets seeded in the first place, It won't become resistant because it never took on an infection. That's the reason for prep.


Please cite your sources.

For my part, all the points in my post come from official sites including the WHO: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/antimicrobial-resistance.

The answers to your post are already contained in mine.

A simple and quick search on the internet should be enough for your knowledge of the subject. There are a lot of sites that will enlighten you.I discussed the topic of antibiotic resistance when my dermatologist put me on daily doxy, that talk gave me the same impression that GettingTang presents. Essentially, the doxy susceptible bacteria entering my body will get killed before causing problems, and hence they don't evolve into doxy-resistant strains. Of course, this does nothing in the event a doxy-resistant strain enters my body from whatever source. This information was based on only about 2 minutes discussion with my dermatologist.

[Expat American]

I discussed the topic of antibiotic resistance when my dermatologist put me on daily doxy, that talk gave me the same impression that GettingTang presents. Essentially, the doxy susceptible bacteria entering my body will get killed before causing problems, and hence they don't evolve into doxy-resistant strains. Of course, this does nothing in the event a doxy-resistant strain enters my body from whatever source. This information was based on only about 2 minutes discussion with my dermatologist.Doxycycline has been used as a prophylactic for malaria for many years. The bigger issue is people getting infected, taking Doxy and then stopping before the infection is cleared fully. This is what causes resistant strains. But also if a disease gets widely spread, it can become resistant to certain antibiotics. Basically bacteria and virus mutate randomly. The more it spreads, the more it mutates. The more it mutates, more the probability of resistant strains. So actually prophylactic use should reduce spread and thereby reduce mutation and resistance. Of course antibiotics have effects on your gastric system and liver and so you don't want to take them all the time. But using doxy Prep for a few days or weeks is not harming anyone or anything.

[BlowLover]

Essentially, the doxy susceptible bacteria entering my body will get killed before causing problems, and hence they don't evolve into doxy-resistant strains.That is a complete misunderstanding of how resistant strains evolve or spread.

If the bacteria entering you are killed by the antibiotics, they would most likely never have "evolved" to a resistant strain, so your explanation misses the whole point: Resistant strains already exist, but typically in the wild they will not grow to become a problem because of competition from other strains. The problem with antibiotics is that it will kill all the other strains, eliminating the competition for the resistant strains, thus enabling them to grow and become a problem. During a normal infection you will be infected with different strains, and your immune system tries to kill them all. Antibiotics help your own system, by getting rid of most, and you get rid of the rest yourself. But if you keep ingesting antibiotics, your body will become a long term growth environment for resistant strains, if your own immune system misses an infection, it might be a problem. That could happen for several reasons, e. G. Another type of infection keeping it occupied or life style induced repression, e. G. Alcohol consumption.

This is the explanation that most outbreaks of resistant strains happen in hospitals, where patients' own system are typically not tops. It is also the explanation why e. G. Resistant STI's spread among sex workers and other people with many partners who already employ some sort of pep.

So the pep in effect raises your chances of catching a resistant strain, not the opposite, because it will not encounter competition in your body. Luckily the chance of that happening is still very low, so it will not matter significantly.

You should probably be more concerned about how it affects your microbiome.

[Pimpampoumpipo]

Essentially, the doxy susceptible bacteria entering my body will get killed before causing problems, and hence they don't evolve into doxy-resistant strains. Antibiotic resistance in bacteria can result either from mutations or from the acquisition of resistance genes that confer resistance to one or more antibiotics.

This applies to ALL bacteria, good and bad, which are constantly exchanging genetic material. This material circulates in the form of plasmids, extra DNA molecules distinct from chromosomal DNA, which contain genes coding for "cooperation" proteins.

New resistances spread much faster through these so-called "horizontal transfer" mechanisms: resistance is transmitted between organisms of different lineages, and not from one bacterium to its descendants.

These resistance mechanisms appear in the case of taking antibiotics that are too short, too long or too frequent.

On the other hand, when taking antibiotics, the "good" bacteria sensitive to the drug are eliminated and alter the microbiota, leaving the field open to the pathogen, if it is more resistant. The latter then finds itself in favorable conditions to develop and then disperse, due to easier access to resources. It is therefore possible to contract other types of diseases.

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_resistance.

Sources :
- Institut Pasteur : https://www.pasteur.fr/fr/centre-medical/fiches-maladies/resistance-aux-antibiotiques
- Biocodex Microbiota Institute : https://www.biocodexmicrobiotainstitute.com/fr/pro/resistance-aux-antibiotiques-le-microbiote-au-premier-plan
- Sante Publique France
- Assurance Maladie : https://www.ameli.fr/paris/assure/sante/medicaments/comprendre-les-differents-medicaments/antibioresistance
- WHO : https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/antimicrobial-resistance

[EverythingThai]

Very poor line up, fat and / or ugly. One very MILF "Pat" quit they said. Bye Bye Tupil!I thought it would be bye bye Tulip because the ladies consistently provide BBFS CIP to more than 80 % of customers.

[Noodle69]

I want to correct your post. Nobody here that posts about BBFS with ladies has ever said they have never gotten an STD such as the big G or the big C. At least I have not read one such post
recently. Including my own posts.

Secondly, I think your report is outdated as your visit to Tulip was from last year, unless you typed wrong.
Therefore, it's not relevant IMHO.

Finally, everyone here who practices BBFS with the ladies knows what they are doing. Meaning they accept the risks. Therefore, we dont need you to post about this IMHO.

If any forum member practicing BBFS with the ladies is naive enough to believe they are 100% immune from STDs, they will find out soon enough thats not the case. There is always a chance you might catch something. The debate about female to male transmission of HIV is not what I am referring to. Just a general statement on this is what I am doing to hopefully educate others to never practice this hobby of BBFS thinking you are immune. In 15 years of being here practicing this hobby, I have caught something twice. Both times it was Chlamydia. I test for HIV every month and take medication to prevent it. No one is immune.That's good info seems a lot of the customers are medicating and that is why get nothing. A lot can't be tho as idiots like me that don't catch it. I always BJ bare that never caught anything maybe just once. Some ladys do a regular std check but I suspect not in tulips. I dint take any prep so I'm glad I had no broken dick skin as obviously HIV risk is worse than minor chlamydia. I suspect this as every time I bb all holes and got symptomns gonorreah treatment didn't clear it.

The report was from my visit this year. Last year I had a chubby nakhom.

Phanom lady with a tattoo. Dnt remember the name?

I'd like to know who the tall busty lady was with dyed yellow hair I spotted last year as I would like to try her holes.

Has any 1 tried bbing the ladys with a buddy as I wld like try rather than the ffm.

[Noodle69]

Are the people who use antibiotics to prevent anything doing this just for short visits. It seems not very feasible for longer term use health wise to keep taking antibiotics? The peeing straight after BBBJ seems effective but not after FS. I thought the smelling method was a good test anyone else have experience in this? I don't think stds smell bad tho per say so dis may be a bad idea.

[Vivphab]

Where should I begin??

The Women:

I stayed a total of 52 days and fucked 110 women. I sourced all of them from Thai Friendly or had TF girls bring me other girls. The majority provided BBFS and all provided BBBJ standard (been taking doxycycline 100 MG per day which is available for 100 baht for 10 pills in the pharmacies).

Many of the girls told me they came from Isaan (an area of northern Thailand), some from Bangkok, some from Chiang Mai and some from Rayong, interestingly none said they were actually from Pattaya. Many said they worked the bars on soi buakhao and one named Crazy Kate said she used to work Soi 6. I even had one who claimed she worked in an agogo place called Pin Up on walking street, not sure if she actually did work there or if she was just telling me that to try to charge me more because she did try to ask for more money.

Most accepted 1200 baht for BBFS some outliers wanted 2000 baht (including the so-called pin up girl) and one outlier in the other direction named Tip gave me BBFS for only 800 baht. Some would take 1000 baht but then I noticed the ones that agreed to 1000 were usually fat or older like in their 30's. The best ones on TF in their low to mid 20's generally wanted 1200 baht condoms pretty much optional if the customer wants but sometimes the girl would mention "have condom" or "wear condom" I considered that a red flag and would just block them and move onto the next one until I get ones that don't mention condoms and usually if they don't mention condoms in the chat then they don't mention them in the room either, so that was my technique I was using. I tried to avoid saying "no condom" up front if they didn't mention condom because then that would result in them asking for more money for "no condom".

I've included some screenshots of the women who gave me exceptional BBFS sex. I feel a duty to contribute to the forum since you guys have helped me out along the way. Note: YMMV and just because they gave me BBFS I don't know if they would give you BBFS. It may depend on factors such as appearance and hygiene or even ethnicity so YMMV.

The Accommodation:

I stayed at an AirBnb on Soi 4. The named of the building was Pattaya Tower and for about $18 a day I had an entire furnished studio apartment on the 7th floor with a balcony, complete kitchenette, Cold AC, Hot Water Shower, Maid service every other day to clean my place, and a swimming pool and gym down on the first floor. There was also this really cool British dude there that would always stop and say what's up every time I saw him.

Food:

There are so many food options in Pattaya that it would be impossible to cover them all here. If you are into western food they have Mcdonalds and taco bell and they are both way better than in the states. The KFC here has these really good wings called zapp wings and these little amazing things called egg tarts, even if you hate KFC you have to try these egg tarts they are amazing and better than anything in the American KFC. There are also many street food options, as I mentioned previously, the Runway food court at 6 pm has good fried chicken and Papaya salad and all kinds of weird shit like grilled crocodile and frog leg kebabs among more normal things like beef pork and fish / seafood offerings. There is also a China town called SoHo Chinatown street food and they have some excellent fried pork belly there. They also have some good Indian food restaurants I had something called Chicken Chettinad and Butter Naan Bread from some place called Madras Darbar Indian Restaurant. It was pretty good.

Shopping:

I went to several different malls while I was there, mainly to watch some movies at the SF Cinemas. I was Alien Romulus, The Crow, and Beetlejuice Beetlejuice while I was there. The closest mall to my place was Called Central Marina, also Terminal 21 mall was a few minutes away on the baht bus, to the south were Central Pattaya mall and Royal Gardens Mall. I think Terminal 21 was the biggest and best shopping mall out of those four.

Weather:

The weather was a little warmer than what I am used to in Colombia and in the states or even Mexico for that matter. Quite humid too especially in the afternoons, so I stayed in doors most of the time. Only during the evenings was the weather a little but cooler but even then it still felt like it was in the 80's /30's. I did notice that recently it had felt slightly cooler especially after a rain storm so maybe the weather is starting to change.

Atmosphere

I kinda get the vibe that everyone here is on vacation and no one actually lives in Pattaya. I see a lot of Indian guys, not native American Indians but actual Indians like from India, I also see a lot of Korean and Japanese looking people and some Chinese and some Arabs too. There was a Chinese restaurant I went to on 2nd road and they greeted me by saying Nee How instead of Sawa Dee and their whole menu was all written in mandarin, luckily I have an app on my phone that can take pictures and decipher the symbols. Anyways it appears everyone in Pattaya is just on perpetual holiday. It's like a mecca of foreigner holiday-goers. Interesting to say the least.

New Adventures

I was getting rather bored there in Pattaya so I decided to take an adventure. I took the bus back to Bangkok and made my way to the Don Muang train station and I bought a one way ticket to Udon Thani on the overnight train for 202 baht and I took the 10 hour train ride here to Udon Thani. The train was old a rickety and made a lot of noise and burning smells when it stopped and bugs would come in through the window and get on me but it was an experience I will never forget and I got some pretty cool videos of the scenery at sunrise.

Repots on Udon Thani to come soon.

Gabacho.Friend isn't BBFS risky in pattaya where HIV affected people are more. The same girl you are having BBFS may have same with lot of other guies.

So I think though BBFS gives thrills but not safe and shall be avoided.

Viv.

[Gabacho]

Friend isn't BBFS risky in pattaya where HIV affected people are more. The same girl you are having BBFS may have same with lot of other guies.

So I think though BBFS gives thrills but not safe and shall be avoided.

Viv.Isn't there a safe sex thread for voicing these types of concerns?

[Gabacho]

Friend isn't BBFS risky in pattaya where HIV affected people are more. The same girl you are having BBFS may have same with lot of other guies.

So I think though BBFS gives thrills but not safe and shall be avoided.

Viv.Also the transmission rate from heterosexual intercourse from female to male during normal vagina coitus is something like. 05% 1/20th of 1% and that is if the female is infected and has a high viral load. With today's meds you can be positive and then become negative again, that is what is referred to as undetectable and a person who is undetectable cannot infect a person who is negative because their viral load is too low.

Anyways we shouldn't be cluttering up the Pattaya section with this stuff that is the whole point of having the safe sex thread.

[SouthEaster]

No. You want to wrap up go ahead. As for others, their choice, not your choice.

[SubCmdr]

Friend isn't BBFS risky in pattaya where HIV affected people are more. The same girl you are having BBFS may have same with lot of other guies.

So I think though BBFS gives thrills but not safe and shall be avoided.

Viv.


Isn't there a safe sex thread for voicing these types of concerns?Yes there is. This is the Pattaya Reports Thread.

BTW, your report was a straight drop the bat and watch walk off home run. A example for others to follow It was a report of distinction!

[Thampi62]

Also the transmission rate from heterosexual intercourse from female to male during normal vagina coitus is something like. 05% 1/20th of 1% and that is if the female is infected and has a high viral load. With today's meds you can be positive and then become negative again, that is what is referred to as undetectable and a person who is undetectable cannot infect a person who is negative because their viral load is too low.

Anyways we shouldn't be cluttering up the Pattaya section with this stuff that is the whole point of having the safe sex thread.According to UNAIDS survey on AIDS in 2024, the prevalence of AIDS IN Thailand is only 1. 31% and is below that of some European countries. Whatever it is in my opinion a second thought is considered before BBFS. But positive towards BB oral.

[Gabacho]

According to UNAIDS survey on AIDS in 2024, the prevalence of AIDS IN Thailand is only 1. 31% and is below that of some European countries. Whatever it is in my opinion a second thought is considered before BBFS. But positive towards BB oral.What you are quoting is the percentage of the population that is HIV possitive, not the transmission rate per sex act. Those are 2 very different things. However you bring up a good point. So, in Thailand only 1. 3% of the population is HIV possitive and then if you were to have sex with those particular people who are positive (and not taking meds because if they are on meds then they are undetectable and cannot infect you) then you would have a 1/20th of 1% chance (. 05%) of getting infected from normal vagina intercourse.

So I other words you are probably more likely to win the fucking powerball or mega millions lottery than you are to contract HIV from having unprotected vaginal sex.

[MadDin19]

According to UNAIDS survey on AIDS in 2024, the prevalence of AIDS IN Thailand is only 1. 31% and is below that of some European countries. Whatever it is in my opinion a second thought is considered before BBFS. But positive towards BB oral.If a country has an HIV rate of 1.31% then this refers to the entire population. In the red light districts of Pattaya or BKK you can multiply this number by at least 10.

[Vicky Cooper]

Folks this is embarrassing, On a short 5 day holiday in BKK, ( start of day 4 now at the time of writing this post) barebacked a girl on the first day and yesterday tried penetrating 2 LBs without a condom.

Today on day 4, I feel this urge to urinate every 30 minutes with a bit of discomfort in my bladder, it’s like a very mild dull pain, however no burning sensation or at this point in time, plan on glassing a doctor as soon as I head home on Saturday 5th October.

Seems to be a Urinary tract infection I guess. In the meantime any recommendations on an antibiotic as I dont want to ruin my last 2 days here in the LOS.

Would be grateful on any input.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Folks this is embarrassing, On a short 5 day holiday in BKK, ( start of day 4 now at the time of writing this post) barebacked a girl on the first day and yesterday tried penetrating 2 LBs without a condom.

Today on day 4, I feel this urge to urinate every 30 minutes with a bit of discomfort in my bladder, its like a very mild dull pain, however no burning sensation or at this point in time, plan on glassing a doctor as soon as I head home on Saturday 5th October.

Seems to be a Urinary tract infection I guess. In the meantime any recommendations on an antibiotic as I dont want to ruin my last 2 days here in the LOS.

Would be grateful on any input.Doxycycline 100 MG is the best.

[Nyezhov]

Folks this is embarrassing, On a short 5 day holiday in BKK, ( start of day 4 now at the time of writing this post) barebacked a girl on the first day and yesterday tried penetrating 2 LBs without a condom.

Today on day 4, I feel this urge to urinate every 30 minutes with a bit of discomfort in my bladder, its like a very mild dull pain, however no burning sensation or at this point in time, plan on glassing a doctor as soon as I head home on Saturday 5th October.

Seems to be a Urinary tract infection I guess. In the meantime any recommendations on an antibiotic as I dont want to ruin my last 2 days here in the LOS.

Would be grateful on any input.Why'all got some poop up your dick huh? Next time you want to have anal sex with a dude pretending to be a girl, perhapss you'll be smart and wrap it up. Meanwhile, bactrim is what they give for urinary tract infections.

[ShinyCrazy]

The current CDC recommendation for an oral antibiotic for a likely STD would be 2 grams of azithromycin (four 500 MG tablets) taken all at once. Be prepared for a little stomach upset.


Folks this is embarrassing, On a short 5 day holiday in BKK, ( start of day 4 now at the time of writing this post) barebacked a girl on the first day and yesterday tried penetrating 2 LBs without a condom.

Today on day 4, I feel this urge to urinate every 30 minutes with a bit of discomfort in my bladder, its like a very mild dull pain, however no burning sensation or at this point in time, plan on glassing a doctor as soon as I head home on Saturday 5th October.

Seems to be a Urinary tract infection I guess. In the meantime any recommendations on an antibiotic as I dont want to ruin my last 2 days here in the LOS.

Would be grateful on any input.

[Expat American]

Folks this is embarrassing, On a short 5 day holiday in BKK, ( start of day 4 now at the time of writing this post) barebacked a girl on the first day and yesterday tried penetrating 2 LBs without a condom.

Today on day 4, I feel this urge to urinate every 30 minutes with a bit of discomfort in my bladder, its like a very mild dull pain, however no burning sensation or at this point in time, plan on glassing a doctor as soon as I head home on Saturday 5th October.

Seems to be a Urinary tract infection I guess. In the meantime any recommendations on an antibiotic as I dont want to ruin my last 2 days here in the LOS.

Would be grateful on any input.Wow. BBFS Anal with a LB. You live on the edge don't you? But to your question, 2000 MG Azith will mostly do the job for most bacterial infections. Or a week or so of Doxycycline 100 MG per day. Now if you caught an HIV virus, unless you did a PEP protocol within 72 hours you are out of luck my friend.

[HorseTrader]

The current CDC recommendation for an oral antibiotic for a likely STD would be 2 grams of azithromycin (four 500 MG tablets) taken all at once. Be prepared for a little stomach upset.This is inconsistent with what I've read, please provide reference link.


Get an STD test done ASAP, there in BKK. May need a shot of ceftriaxone, or oral doxy, or azithro, depending on the STD. PULSE clinic is goodThis is consistent with what I've read.

NoBuglyFitches - Please tell us what you know about PULSE. I've seen it many times while accessing the series of ATMs, but I've never walked through their doors. Cost? Need for appointment? Time to get STD results and treatment? I normally get my STD testing elsewhere, though PULSE would be very convenient on Soi 13 near Sukhumvit.

[NoBuglyFitches]

NoBuglyFitches - Please tell us what you know about PULSE. I used them for a routine test in HK, not in BKK. Found prices here.

https://www.pulse-clinic.com/package-and-promotion

PCR28 test looks to be THB 8750, same day. Doctor will likely have a good idea on what STD, if any, is the likely culprit in the OP's case.

[Ed Setra]

Folks this is embarrassing, On a short 5 day holiday in BKK, ( start of day 4 now at the time of writing this post) barebacked a girl on the first day and yesterday tried penetrating 2 LBs without a condom.

Today on day 4, I feel this urge to urinate every 30 minutes with a bit of discomfort in my bladder, its like a very mild dull pain, however no burning sensation or at this point in time, plan on glassing a doctor as soon as I head home on Saturday 5th October.

Seems to be a Urinary tract infection I guess. In the meantime any recommendations on an antibiotic as I dont want to ruin my last 2 days here in the LOS.

Would be grateful on any input.Wow, you want an internet forum to give you advice to self-treat a STI without getting tested. And you want to spread it around for your last 2 days. My mind is in boggle overdrive.