Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand [Archive] - Page 2

Dana

05-26-04, 13:14

Cloud9 Seeker

Even though it might be more enjoyable and fun, I would hesitate to french kiss any Thai bargirl.

During my first trips to LOS, I was surprised the girls were kissing like that also. I asked one girl if she kissed every man that barfined her. She got this really stupid look on her face and said, "if man pay for me, why can't I kiss him?".

Anyway, the reality is that 99% of Thai bargirls will do ANYTHING as long as your paying, and have absolutely no clue about diseases. Even though it's hard to resist when you're having a good time, you might want to think twice about kissing them.

Have you ever seen that shapeless bald headed freak Nigel that has a thai bargirl website where he's doing all kinds of things without any protection? Just think about your sweet little bargirl licking the dirty a-hole of that ugly bastard the night before she's french kissing you, and you'll be more careful from now on!

I once foolishly accepted a bbbj in Phuket from a really cute girl, and wound up with the worst case of Gonorrhea imaginable. It lasted two months and took all kinds of anti-biotics to get rid of. It just isn't worth the risk.

Cloud Seeker

05-26-04, 13:43

Dana - gonorrhea?? That is truly wild.

Will think twice about opening my mouth next time, that's for sure. They took the initiative and I happily obliged, but I will not engage in this next time.

Seydlitz

05-26-04, 14:16

Cloud9 Seeker,

<what's the point of having condoms if her tongue was in my throat half the time?>

You cannot be serious, can you ?

Why don't you go reading good advice from authoritative sources ? I suggest the CDC at www.cdc.gov .

As far as I know, French kissing is not such a high risk activity. But if you feel uncomfortable, just don't do it.

Cloud Seeker

05-26-04, 14:35

Seydlitz - I certainly checked out CDC. Did you?

This from yahoo/health: (http://health.yahoo.com/health/centers/hiv_aids/101)
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Q: Can HIV be spread through kissing?

A: Although studies have found tiny amounts of HIV in the saliva of some people with HIV, researchers have found no evidence that HIV is spread to other people through kissing. However, the CDC recommends against "French" or open-mouthed kissing because of the possibility of contact with blood if the people kissing have any cuts or sores in the mouth.
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So, yes, I am serious. Risk might be low, but being a newbie, I am wondering what other pundits choose to do and what the norm among fellow members is.

Joe Zop

05-26-04, 18:56

Realistically, kissing is not a high risk activity for STD transmission. Yes, you can get an STD if your partner and you have open sores and transmit blood to each other, and certainly you can transmit herpes, generally HPV1, that way, as well as Hep B (but of course all smart LOS mongers have had their Hep shots, right?) There are also possibilities of transmitting gonorrhea (though you'd have to have your tongue pretty much massaging her vocal chords) and syphilis (only in the early infective stages, and you'd generally see a sore on the lip) via kissing, but overall these and the other risks are low to the point that most authorities consider kissing to be safe sex.

In the single case that documents HIV transmission via kissing, both partners had severe dental and gum problems, including canker sores, gingivitis, oral hairy leukoplakia, and periodontitis. So obviously, the circumstances in which HIV can be transmitted through kissing are rare. The CDC recommends against prolonged open-mouthed kissing with an infected partner based on this, but if you read the actual report where this case is documented you find the following "Although the exact route of transmission in this report cannot be determined, the most likely possibility is that the woman became infected..." this way, and that "such exposure may have occurred during "deep kissing." (My italics.) This is a couple that also had vaginal sex six times a month over the course of a year, had an incident of condom breakage, shared at times a razor and toothbrush, and seemed basically to be pretty haphazard about hygiene in general, so it's hard to put a huge amount of stock in the conclusions of the report regarding kissing, as the report itself notes that "other exposures to the man's blood or semen cannot be excluded." Basically, in other words, they don't exactly know, but they suspect this is how it happened, and the researchers certainly got a lot more attention from their conclusions this way than if they had decided that plain old sex had been the cause.

I say kiss away, unless you happen to be someone who's got severe dental problems, because the STD risks are nothing really to worry about. There are far more serious things with STDs on which to focus concern.

The Traveler

05-26-04, 20:41

Joe Zop

even if the risk is low, it isn't ZERO.

The Traveler

05-26-04, 20:46

Seydlitz

I feel uncomfortable with it. It's not just HIV. Would you kiss a BJ bar girl or one of Marc's chicks who also use to lick the customers a-holes ? I won't.

Take care

Seydlitz

05-26-04, 21:26

Traveler:

I would not kiss a BJ bar girl because I would not take one out. In the rare occasions (2 !) I have been to a BJ bar, it was for a BJ. The ladies there are good at what they do, but they are nothing to write home about, and not much to take home either.

Similarly, I would not kiss an Eden girl because I hate the place and its obnoxious owner, and would not be likely to be in physical contact with one.

So, in a nutshell, I do not feel uncomfortable with kissing a girl in general terms, but I am quite selective of my partners.

Anal rimming is an increasingly widespread practice in LOS, in massage parlours in particular (I routinely got it at Poseidon or Baron's for example), and a great thing to enjoy as the receiver. So it is not only Marc's ladies who lick customers a-holes, as you graphically put it :)

Anyhow, there is hardly any "dirty" sexual practice, provided that strict personal hygiene is enforced, as it is mostly the case among Thais. I am way more concerned by the potential presence of faecal colliforms on the hands of the cook preparing my meal in any restaurant, and not only in LOS for one, than on the tongue of a sex provider.

Considering that I only consort with young, clean, apparently healthy ladies, I reckon that the risk of getting infected by something serious is low enough compared to the enjoyment of French kissing.

However, I agree that intimate physical contact with a sexually promiscuous partner entails some level of risk, and I do understand and fully respect those like you who feel uncomfortable with kissing a P4P TG.

Seydlitz

05-26-04, 21:34

Cloud9 Seeker,

point well taken.

I meant that you cannot seriously mean that whatever risk created by a tongue in your mouth defeats the protective purpose of wearing a condom.

Forgive my being obsessive with the careful use of words in the context of safe sex, as old hands of this forum will testify, I am.

The Traveler

05-26-04, 21:44

Seydlitz

that was only an example since we know each other and I remember your good taste and high standards regarding girls.

It's more the imagination that the girl just had a dick in her mouth or her tongue was close to body parts that should never even come close to my face than the real danger of getting infected. The girls are usually very clean but you do not know anything about the hygiene of the last few customers.

Take care

Cloud Seeker

05-26-04, 23:34

Guys (and Seydlitz):

Thanks for providing the feedback - I came to the conclusion that French kissing is rather low-risk, but care is still required. Next time, I will think twice before opening my mouth.

Seydlitz- in my week in Thailand, NOT ONCE have I picked a non-bar girl; they were all bar workers alright. I can see why you're as comfortable with the kissing as you say you are - unfortunately, due to the short-time visit, I only frequented the bars (and a MP).

Anal rimming in Thailand! How did I miss that?? Man, I must go back to Thailand - so many things to do and so little time. I wonder if the girls at Darling do anal rimming - do you just ask the manager of the MP which girl does it or what?

(Sorry for going off topic)

Thanks,

Cloudy

Joe Zop

05-27-04, 05:48

Traveler, the only zero STD-risk sexual activity is personal masturbation -- even with a condom you've still got some degree of risk. You are far, far more at risk with the use of multiple partners than from deep kissing someone, so none of us is exactly speaking from some high plane of absolute safety here.

Personally I don't have any big thing about kissing some woman because she might have sucked somebody's dick or whatever, as that's what I want her to do to me, and if I'm gonna be worried about it I'm basically going to end up with a sexual partner I find unsatisfying. The mouth tends to clean itself -- that's what saliva does -- so if she's been blowing or licking some gother guy in the last hour and she's not infected with the specific goodies I mentioned in the specific ways I mentioned, then there's little to worry about.

We've all got our particular areas of personal squeamishness, but that doesn't mean they're based in fact or logic.

The Traveler

05-27-04, 07:23

Joe Zop

LOL, I want them to do the very same thing.
As I have already said, I am uncomfortable with the imagination of another dick in her mouth just a few hours/minutes ago. If you only see the scientific/medical point of view, congrats. I can't. Also like to avoid any unneccesary risk.

Seydlitz

05-27-04, 09:00

Cloud9 Seeker,

I do not like Darling too much, but last time I was there, I got anal rimming from the lady as a standard. No need to ask for it.

It is never sure that any particular lady will perform, and asking the papasan may be a good idea.

IMHO anal rimming is standard fare as a complement to BBBJ in massage parlors. If the lady does not do it on her own, then get her to lick your balls, push her head down and raise your butt. I am sure she will get the hint :)

Asian Monger #2

05-27-04, 09:45

Guys,

You want to talk about AR risks and other risks involved and the fact that a couple of minutes ago the same girl's mouth was sucking another guy's dick.

If you are familiar with the scene in China, the risks are even higher. It's like playing with fire. Really. No joke.

I believe that TGs have a reasonable level of knowledge about STD/AIDS so they know a bit more than those village girls in China.

Just my 2 cents, but don't shoot me down,

AM2

Cloud Seeker

05-27-04, 13:48

Seydlitz - gotcha.

Thanks for the heads up. Will do! ;-)

Stinky

06-01-04, 21:38

I just don't like kissing these girls because they all have rank breath. Even the hot ones. Seriously, that stuff thats lodged between their mossy teeth is a mixture of rotten thai food, plaque, sperm, and poo. I had to get this one chick to use mouthwash and it still didnt get rid of the smell.

I found that I was better off when I fucked the hotel receptionist and the waitress at a bar. I guess they have less partners, and less chance of stds. They also seemed to have marginally better dental hygene. Dudes, when you're paying them, give them a complimentary pack of floss to go along with it. Tell them that americans use it and they're sure to comply.

Cloud Seeker

06-03-04, 13:02

Stinky,

Couldn't disagree with you more! It looks like we have different experiences, but I had 5 girls during my week in LOS and (having kissed each one) not one's breath stank!

Hell, when I woke up one morning with a girl I barfined at mandarin (NEP) and she kissed - even then, her breath didn't stink (try kissing a caucasian chick in the morning - just the thought makes me sick).

The girl I barfined LT on Koh Samui actually carried a toothpaste in her purse.

I bought a few girls beer, so obviously, a few did smell, well, like beer, but what the hell, I guzzled many bottles of Singha myself, so it all sort of levelled off.

These girls might be a lot of things, but others sure have much to learn from them when it comes to hygiene.

Adjarn

06-10-04, 18:10

Stinky,

I have no idea where you've been picking up your girls in Thailand, but I have never seen what you're talking about. In fact, quite the opposite. Every Thai girl I've ever met, even the poor country girls, have always taken care of their choppers.

Of course, there are probably a few older girls that sit around drinking all day long, opening up the bottles with their teeth, and then drinking gallons of cum every night before passing out, and then waking up the next morning and starting again without thinking about brushing their teeth. It gives me chills just thinking about it.

Adjarn

Stinky

06-11-04, 19:00

Well, we all have our own experiences. I was referring to the girls of sukhumvit road. Their lives seem to consist of eating thai food and licking mens butts, so... bad breath central.

ChiMan II

06-16-04, 00:59

I have read alot of reports of condom breaking in thailand. I discovered this japanese condom called kimono ultra thin. It is the closed thing I have found to nothing at all. I do worry because of the thinness it may break. Any of you guys out there have a condom break? If so what was your mistake so the rest of us can learn.

Thanks

Marco Pole

06-19-04, 00:50

I had a condom break last year with a girl from NP but I realized it pretty quickly and threw on another one. I don't think there's really any secret...just bring your own condoms if you're on the larger size.

As for girls with bad breath/hygiene, I was in Thailand for 2 months last year and never had a problem with this. In fact, one girl I was with for a couple weeks made it a point to deeply wash herself with an anti bacteria soap after every session.

If you truly had as bad of an experience as you say, maybe its time to graduate from the skanks walking Sukumvit.

GettingTang

06-19-04, 01:27

Thai people in general are very clean. Thai women are sort of clean freaks. Every been to a Thai resaurant? Notice even if it is a lower end establishment, it's almost always spotless and clean. Thai people tend to bath quite regularly and frequently.

I have never encountered a nasty Thai girl, not in the real sense anyhow. I have had a few with yeast problems, but quickly booted them aside, but most come clean fresh and always bath before and after the encounter.

TANG~!

Opebo

06-19-04, 05:39

My two cents on the cleanliness issue - since I've been back here in the States all I encounter is the fishy pussy. Over there I never ran into that. The girls were always clean, even the high volume BB ones. Makes you wonder about how uneducated the average American working girl is.

On the food issue - I've never gotten even slightly ill in Asia. The food is so much better! Whenever I come back to the US I get a lot of digestive problems from stomach aches to diarhea. The food here is much, much less clean, and certainly a lot more processed and worse for you than in Thailand.

RCA Knight

06-19-04, 09:31

I definitely agree that Thai gals mostly do not stink. Most of them have very clean pussy and breath. But be careful after they eat sontam. This thing is full of spices, garlic, raw crabs and the mouth wash do not clear the smell away for hours and hours. I had experiences a few times with gals who just finished whole plate of their yammy sontam. When you try to kiss them you are like eating sontam yourselves.

Opebo

06-20-04, 07:22

RCA Knight,

I do eat sumtam all the time. Delicious stuff. However its better not to get a BJ for a good hour after a girl eats it.

The Traveler

06-20-04, 12:57

RCA Knight

The smell of somtam isn't a big prob, but the chili is, especially if you get a BBBJ :(

Stinky

06-24-04, 20:55

I don't feel like graduating beyond the bar skanks. I prefer this kind of seedy atmosphere (although I returned with the clap). T'was my condom that snapped. I'm kind of a grinder so its bound to happen.

How about you guys, anybody ever contract anything. How common is aids there anyway? I'm dreading the return of my bloodtest.

Dinghy

06-25-04, 07:08

Somtam and Thai BBQ work both ways - had a girl ask me if I had eaten the Thai BBQ during a DATY session. SORT OF NEED TO BE NICE TO THEM, TOO.

Domino

06-25-04, 07:50

Stinky: Interesting posts. I find most of these women, those who have teeth that is, generally have good teeth. This seems to hold throughout SE Asia. Floss is a very alien concept to these women. I found it hard to buy floss n Vietnam and I had to go to a pharmacy to get it (no luck in supermarkets or market stalls).

Lots of guys find the concept of kissing or eating out yellow pack hookers revolting. Others, of course, get off on less than hygienic "showers". As they say in Lancashire, there ain't nowt as strange as people.

Stinky

06-27-04, 01:12

Yes, Lancashire; wise words indeed. Those yellow gals with their pert bottoms and supple flesh, you cant have it all. Personally after a night on the sauce I'll go in for a good snog, but I never, AND I MEAN NEVER, have gone down below. I don't mean to offend some of the more sensitive members, but it just makes me think of period blood mixed with coffee. Nadda.

I'm fully aware that the poor things actually do brush their teeth, but they just don't know all of the modern techniques. I suppose next time, I'll put her down on my lap and school her in modern oral hygene: a proper thorough brushing (up from the gums; not side to side), followed by a few minutes to let the fluoride take effect. Then a gentle but thorough floss - paying close attention to the areas that seem to be bleeding. And then, to finish it all off, a nice alcohol-free, sensitive system, mouth rinse. Thats thirty seconds of swishing between the teeth, across the tongue, and finishing with a good gargle.

Ouch Me

07-05-04, 09:23

Okay. Safe sex in Thailand? How?

So I hear that Durex Maximums are the shit. What about durability during the friction slide?

Is it also true you can still get STDs from their cum juice where your rubber ends? Yikes!

Anyone know of someone to get hep from oral sex?

I know, lots of questions....just curious

Freeler

07-05-04, 15:19

Ouch Me,

Durex N11 are ever lasting. None ever broke when I used them - and I used up a lot by now:). I always use lube as well, just to be sure.

Hep B and C are sexualy contractable. Both badly fuck up your liver and that is bad news. Shots to protect you from Hep A+B are available. Rubbers keep both Hep B and C out.

If you happen to make a squirter with a nasty infection cum you could be in trouble and catch it too:(. Solution: Make sure she doesn't cum:D!

Gwailo

07-10-04, 19:45

<<On the food issue - I've never gotten even slightly ill in Asia. The food is so much better! Whenever I come back to the US I get a lot of digestive problems from stomach aches to diarhea. The food here is much, much less clean, and certainly a lot more processed and worse for you than in Thailand.>>

I've had just the opposite experience. Three trips to Thailand and every time I get some kind of intestinal infection. I'm not sure what causes it, I'm careful to only drink bottled water and no ice in my drinks but 3 times I've been sick accomanied by a fever. Antibiotics cleared it up but I still wasn't feeling good for about a week.
In spite of this problem I can't wait to go back again.

Gwailo

Dinghy

07-10-04, 19:53

Food in Thailand seems OK to me (never got sick - and I eat "pet pet") - but I sure got food poisoning in June in Cambodia. I think next time I won't have lobster. (on the beach)

Crypsis

08-09-04, 09:11

Yeah, stay clear of shellfish in general. Even if you don't catch any of the myriad nasties they host (salmonella, ciguatera, e coli, dinoflagellates), you still might find yourself with just about the worst case of the shits you can imagine. After a prawn soup in Hua Hin, I BARELY made it back to my hotel before that meal exploded out the other end. I was fine immediately thereafter, but it was very painful and unpleasant.

Keep in mind that places like Chaweng, Phuket and Hua Hin are situated in shallow, warm bodies of water with slow currents. Given the amount of agricultural runoff from upland farms and the coliform bacteria from treated sewage that pretty much goes directly into the Gulf and the Andaman Sea, it's a matter of time before those shrimp come back to haunt you. Generally speaking, the fish is all right since its caught farther from land than most of the shellfish, and they aren't bottom feeders.

Stinky

08-10-04, 06:06

I can agree with that. Or can I? The only places I'll eat that stuff is at five star resorts, but I still came down with a mild case or the poos. But then how can I turn down another sea food platter? Mine wasn't painful, I just became a little more frequent for a few days, and it wasn't severe enough to interfere with my drinking schedule. I did, however, get a littler nervous one night when an 800 baht/long time girl was licking my ass.

But seriously, who knows where I got it from? Was it from that glass of water that girly boy gave me that morning? Was it from drinking singha out of cans? Was it the bugs in the slurpy machine at 7-11?

I'm more interested in how my p.p. turned a painful pink colour at the end and started dripping puss when I was using dubes the whole time. Anyway, if you come down with the clap, I recommend neurofen (extra strong) till the antibiotics kick in. You won't even feel it. Also, make you sure you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) standing up or it burns.

I mean, all you can do is use rubbers, and drink bottled water, (and stay away from shellfish I guess). But lets be realistic, if you want to hang out in the jungle, you're at risk, and you'll just have to cross your fingers.

Anyone try dipping their cock in vodka after a session? I heard it works well in eastern europe.

Ouch Me

08-19-04, 06:39

When were you using dubes? Only with intercourse or even with BJs? You can get STDs from BJs also, such as herpes and genital warts. Damn these STDs suck. But they're here to stay.

As hard as it'll be, I'm planning on using condoms during oral sex as well as everything else, plus I don't plan on any deep kissing. I know it'll really take out the fun and spontaneity. Shit, it's going to be esp. tough when we shower and she wants to start sucking me or me to her!

Oral sex is my favorite too. Oh well. Can't take life time chances on a few hours of pleasure.

Stinky

08-19-04, 14:17

What do you mean "or me her?"

You eat out Bangkok *****s? That's disgusting.

The Traveler

08-21-04, 04:29

Stinky

"Anyone try dipping their cock in vodka after a session?"

That question brings back very old memories. Long ago my condom once broke, so I pulled out immediately and looked out for some desinfection. Nothing else handy but a bottle of Mekhong. Put it over my best part and I can tell you it fucking burns. :( Avoid it if possible. Since that time I always carry some Betaisodonna with me.

Eros74

08-22-04, 23:18

Hi Gentlemen,

Which are the diseases we can take with a not-covered bj? I would like to know your points of view. Cause i hear for example risk about herpes,but how much is this risk? Do you think or it is scientific risk that also doctors agree? Or better how many girls have herpes in mouth? My little opinion is very high risk for every disease in sex without rubber,but very little risk with not-covered bj,but probably i am a little ignorant about it,so i am here to learn what i dont know or what i know wrong. Thanks all!

The traveller,

Please what is "betaisodonna"?

Ouch Me

08-24-04, 07:54

Lukasek,

I believe you mean what diseases and the risks of BJs w/o a condom? Well, many of course, especially in Thailand. I recently read in LOS travel guide that they adjust their population stats some %age due to mortality rates from AIDS! And how accurate do you think Thai health stats are going to be? The stats they have are just the reported or known cases. There's probably hundreds more that are unreported! Yikes!

The thing with most STDs is you usually don't see it with your naked eyes (or dicks). So, if you inspect the BGs mouth before she blows you and it looks clear, you're fooling yourself. By the time herpes makes itself visible in their mouth with those little bumpy protrusions, she's REALLY infected. She could be infected and not show those bumps yet, they're just not visible, but still very contagious. AND the fucked up thing with herpes is its not curable, you just itch, have burning [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), and occasional discharges for the rest of your life. THAT SUCKS!

AND to top it off, it is still possible to contract HIV via oral sex, just not as likely as through intercourse. HIV only needs a portal of entry, like a membrane or broken skin. Her mouth is a perfect breeding ground for lots of germs...warm, moist, dark. Just like a girls little wet pussy.

Then there's also HPV. It's really not so bad for us men. We'll get little bumps on our Joes, nothing painful. But when we screw a girl, she gets infected, she'll likely only find out if she has a + pap smear, has to get the lesion or growth frozen or cauterized, but remains at higher risk for cervical cancer and urinary tract infections. So, if you get it, carry it back to your unsuspecting girlfriend or wife (or future gf/wife, what will you tell her?), then you and her are doomed. HPV also has no cure, just remission as with herpes.

So, cover up out there. Think with the head on your shoulders, not the one in the pants. It makes no sense to me to risk your lifetime for a few hours of pleasure!!!!

Wow, so many of the BGs and plenty of porn stars are walking germ specimens. Yikes again.

Holy shit, thats scary stuff.

Does that answer your questions?

Dinghy

08-26-04, 04:30

Betadyne (or betadine) a modified iodine that doesn't "burn" when applied. Highly effective antiseptic, though - but it DOES stain brown

Poobah

08-26-04, 08:51

Hep C, while theoretically possible to get sexually is really not transmitted that way. It is almost entirely transmitted via blood. Hence it's why so many IVDA get it. All the strains of Hepatitis are pretty different. There are like 7 of them out there now (maybe more since I last checked).

Lukasek. It's difficult to assign absolute risk. The best we are doing is a poor guess. There are diseases that are relatively hard to get, esp by a bj. You can get oral to genital transmission of Herpes and in fact it has been proven that viral shedding occurs even when a person doesn't have symptoms (although the greatest chance occurs when s/he has those little clear bumps that are breaking with rich viral juice).

HOWEVER, it is also true that unless you are a monk, you have probably been exposed to Herpes multiple times. You kissing a chick, you going down on a chick, she going down on you, etc etc. Once you get it, you can't get rid of it.

Gonorrhea , you are not going to get going down unless you are already immunocompromised. Almost every case of oropharyngeal gonorrhea (of the throat) is due to someone already having a weakened immune system (like AIDS).

Genital warts largely transmitted by genital to genital contact, although it can be spread by other skin contact. You can get molluscum on your face, arms, you name it, but I've never seen it anywhere but the groin. You have to burn those fuckers off or use a chemical like Podophyllin. There is a new one called Aldara (I believe) that activates your own immune system to kill the viri. Molluscum unlike Herpes will go away on it's own, but it might take YEARS (who wants to wait?).

The reason being is that your oral mucosa is designed to fight infection. Easy to see why, no? There are cellular components present in your mouth that don't exist anywhere else. So unless you have a break, or really bad gum disease the chances are low. There is always a risk, no one can say never, but for me, I just dont enjoy a BJ with a rubber and with certain chicks I like DATY too much (and they do too) to give it up.

The sum total of STD's I think I ever had was one. I had some questionable burning after one trip where I stupidly boned like three chicks sans condom. I didn't go in for the smear. Just did the Cipro/Azithro combo (although some strains of Gon in Asia are Cipro resistant) and it went away. If I am banging away too much for too long I just get some local irritation that is not infectious.

The lavage method of Betadine, Alcohol whatever I sort of pooh-poohed but a microbiologist buddy of mine turned my thinking around on that a bit. But really dipping your wick only gets part of the outer urethra (the inner part of your crank). You really need to get something like a small bulb syringe and squirt that stuff up and let it dribble out. I'm not prepared to go through that, but there are some dudes that do.

Anything really that lowers your viral/bacterial 'load' (amount of whatever nasty you are exposed to) lowers your risk. Therefore even doing something like pissing after sex is not all that unreasonable, but will never afford you the protection of a condom.

Poobah

08-26-04, 09:06

Joe, not to be antagonistic, but the real reason Condoms are not 100% are almost all due to breakage. The people either had them and didn't use them or kept boning once they broke. Maybe that's what you meant and I'm sorry if I misunderstood (and if you don't know what I'm referring to, sorry I went back a few pages as I check in here every few months).

Again you get back to viral/bactierial load. While there are small amounts of viri/bacteria that can get through a condom (and it's very small) with very vigorous activity your exposure is so low that your chances are greatly reduced. Not zero but pretty damn close.

And before someone starts in on that old chestnut 'but the HIV virus is smaller than the latex pores' let me lay that one in the intellectual grave it deserves. HIV does not infect solo. It has to piggyback on other cells to infect you and these are far larger than the latex pores.

If you want to wrap yourself in latex you will probably have a safe time. A great time? No, but a safe one.

I think each one of us should make an educated guess (and educated means doing a lot more research than asking your buds on WSG what they think!!). For me, I am going to engage mostly in covered sex (unless I check it out first), kissing , DATY etc. There are just some acts that by their absence really kill the intimacy, which is why I travel 24 hours in a plane instead of banging my local streetwalker.

Now, anal rimming. Ugh. Ditto for anal sex. Nasty shit, literally. Some of the worst, most drug resistant bacteria reside up your ass. It's why when you get shot or stabbed in the gut it's not the wound that kills you, it's all the horrible bacteria that spill into your gut.

Poobah

08-26-04, 09:16

One post about Condom breakage. The real reason most condoms break is not the thinness of the condom.

The mortal enemies of condoms are time, heat and friction (light also but how they are packaged takes care of that). Usually dudes that have condoms break have not stored them properly (the worst example being the poor sap that stores one in his wallet 'just in case' ). If you want to keep them fresh, keep them cool.

The other thing is, use lube if she's not juiced up. I haven't had a condom break in freaking years, and the time I remember I was with a particularly unenthusiastic partner and I sort of remember just banging away. I was thinking "damn, this chick is dry!!" and bam, condom broke.

I also pretty much buy my supply of condoms for my trip and then buy about half again what I think I'll need. I really have trouble with them and about the only ones that work for me are made of polyurethane (like Trojan Supra). That stuff blows latex away. I think it has more to do with how it transmits heat than how thin it is, although obviously thickness has a good deal to do with heat transmission as well.

One of the best tips I heard was when someone recommended putting a drop of lube in the tip of the condom before you put it on. Damn, that really helps too!!

I remember one sad day when I ran out of jimmies in Pattaya 3 freaking days before I was set to leave. Here I am begging for a good condom from my fellow travellers. Now I just don't like the selection of condoms in Thailand (about as varied as the selection of beer there). So imagine my surprise when a marine gave me one of the govt issued ones. Fucking a, they REALLY don't like those guys to enjoy sex do they? I would have gotten more sensation by wrapping a Michelin around my crank.

Joe Zop

08-26-04, 17:47

Poobah, I agree wholeheartedly that the reasons condoms are not 100% is because of breakage (or other forms of incorrect usage.) That was, in fact, precisely my point.

And like you I've not had a condom break for years, and I use the precise approach you do. I'd go further and say that even if you've got a condom that's been stored incorrectly, the right kind and amount of lube (meaning water-based) will probably still keep it from breaking.

Ljohnson

08-26-04, 21:05

I follow a very simple, painless practice which helps me to at least FEEL safer. And I think it does protect me somewhat.

After sex, I [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and take a shower, carefully washing my dick and the surrounding area with soap and hot water. While in the shower, I also take out my trusty bottle of hydrogen peroxide and liberally wash my dick (with special attention to the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) hole) with this inexpensive, antiseptic solution. No burning, not expensive, not time consuming.

So far, no STDs, no problems at all.

Eros74

08-26-04, 21:28

Dear Gentlemen,

First of all my thanks for all yours answers!

I think I was a little naive, cause as most of italians my friends I had some cold-smart-proud italian girls and nothing more and it is only few years I started to spend better my juice LOL and to have better fun travelling to monger.

I always thought it was enough to use condom during sex, and not during BJ, to avoid 99% of the risks of sexual diseases, now I see I had big luck. I was in almost every state of east europe, in russia and in brasil, (where I broke the one and the only condom in all my life in few minutes cause during anal I used vaselina, I knew oil-based not good but it gave me the owner of night club together towels and condoms.) still not in Thai, but surely I will.

In your opinion how to compare the risks of sexual disease in Russia, Thai and for example Argentina? Where the highest?

Ouch me: yes you answered me totally, I knew partly what you wrote and I still wonder that seems to be two kind of world, one real word full of risks of sex-disease and the second where most of the friends of mine that use to have sex without and seems nobody never took nothing, even if surely who took disease is shy to speak about it, at least in old-mentality-church closed-italian-mentality-head about sex. What are HPV?

Dinghy: did you use betadyne sometimes? Or only read about it and I guess its use on penis?

Poobah: "I just don't enjoy a BJ with a rubber and with certain chicks I like DATY too much (and they do too) to give it up. "

I am TOTALLY agree with you, I have your same point of view about it. unluckily!

In brasil I had local irritation for a few days, 11 women in 23 days for me was too much. I was used to have 2 or 3 italians girls at year LOL, and I thought I took some disease cause I broke condom, so when I comeback I did "tampone uretrale" (sorry I don't know it in english) tests, 5 tamponi-HELL-of-pain, however I had nothing but I definetly think is inside uretra that bactery goes and give infection and not around glandes, so probably betadyne only make our blame little smaller, if we had BJ or sex uncovered, but it doesn't really help against diseases.

I totally agree also with you about to make personal research, about absence of acts kill intimacy, I think that if I will sit down for hours riding in car or waiting in plane, then I want at least taste BJ without, but surely sex with, even if I will do it much LESS frequently than before read all your answers!

Sorry I don't know what is "anal rimming"? And I don't understand your sentences about it, please could you explain it?

One more time, many thanks.

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Gladiator

08-27-04, 00:07

It is also advisable to put some water-based lubricant, such as KY, on your tool before you cover it with the condom.

This has the following 2 advantages:

1. It increases greatly the sensation of pleasure during penetration –it is the closest I’ve ever seen to bareback sex.

2. It reduces the internal friction between the latex and your tool and as a result the chance of a breakage will be even more remote.

Ouch Me

08-27-04, 07:23

Poobah,

Are you in the medical field? Sounds like you know your shit. You are mostly in agreement with things I said. However, I'm not sure about your last explanation on herpes and repeated exposures. Are you implying that most of us have already been exposed orally to herpes and are just not showing symptoms yet? If so, then we (those of us that do oral sex) are all carriers even though asymptomatic, correct? Further, does that mean that we can begin to show symptoms some time down the road?

Herpes is not fun for sure, I mean no STD is. But herpes has no cure, spreads easily, and just makes you miserable. I hate this fact, esp since, like most of us out there, I love to eat raw fish! There's nothing like the taste, feel, and sound of a girl enjoying herself with my tongue action.

Shed some more light on this please. I'm very interested. I can resist some of the BJs to lessen my risk, but I find it REALLY hard not to eat fish with some beauty spread eagle in front of me.

Poobah

08-27-04, 16:17

That was a good point about the friction to the inside. Never thought of that!

Eros74

08-29-04, 21:48

Much thanks of all of you answer me! It seems I was a little naive.

Ouch me: Thank you guy for your long answer, but I don't know what is HPV? I have to say that i always had covered sex and only with bj I try to have it uncovered and until now i was in east europe, Russia and Brasil and never in Thai, where it seems to exists more risks? In, I hope, near future I hope to Thai too, now the fly from Italy are 350 euro with return.

Poobah:as you I had irritation local, after many garota in Brasil in few days, in that occasion I broke one rubber cause in night I use the one lub i found there, it was vaseline, yeah I know oil-based lubrificant. Never use it! It broke condom in 1-2 minutes! I came back home and i did tampon uretral, 5 hell of pain, only cause I had irritation cause different food, much alcool, much women, I took nothing luckily and yet now after one year no problem. However now i always covered sex and try to have not covered bj, even if now surely less than before read this reports of us because I totally agree with you that the absence of some acts kill the intimacy and if I travel so far when in Italy I can have SW for 30 euro, from Russia and all east europe. Is cause I would like ot have GFE and in my case means with not covered bj.

What is anal rimming?

I hope this post will be pubblicated,

Thanks!

Luca

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Scotty Monger

08-30-04, 03:49

Lukasek,

There is no "pretty" way to say this. Anal rimming, is basically licking someone's asshole. This is also called "tossing the salad". IMHO, this is very dangerous except in a long-standing monogomous relationship. I would never consider performing this on a provider, but some providers will perform this on you (often negotiated in advance).

Luego

Eros74

08-31-04, 01:39

Scotty Monger thanks,

I did many times anal rimming when i lick her down without knew the name and i also think that good bj must have anal rimming. I didn't think it is so dangerous and if it is, why do you think not dangerous in monogamus relationship? I think bacterya are in every ass LOL. So you mean you can take infections if you lick for few minutes the ass of your woman, even if you lick the ass out and obviously not put the tongue inside it? Once more thanks!

Luca

Stinky

08-31-04, 02:38

You guys can wash your [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) holes with antiseptic all you want but for us uncercumicized assholes the HIV enters via that tender little inch beneath the forskin because it has no layer of keratin. Always wear a condom. And, even if youre drunk, careful when you take it off so you dont get her **** slime on your PP. Also, dont roll around in the sack with her if shes all wet and slimy. AND KEEP SPREADING THE WORD ABOUT ORAL HYGENE.

The Traveler

09-15-04, 02:18

Lukasek

Betaisodona is an antiseptic The agent is a Poly(1-vinyl-2-pyrrolidon)-iodine-complex or in short PVP-Iodine. It's available as a salve, liquid soap and vaginal antiseptic.

The vaginal antiseptic is applicated with some sort of plastic bottle which you have to squeeze and turn around at the very same time. I used that stuff during my first years when HIV was still no prob and it probably protected me from some nasty diseases.

I remember that two friends of mine and me once went to Happy World in Bang Saen. That day we picked 17 girls in total. Since I had been there before some girls already knew me and also the oncoming procedure. They also promoted it to the other girls. I used to tell them that I was an ongoing doctor and that I will examine them for free. That was a picture, 17 naked girls lining up to get a free rinse by Doc Traveler :D

Eros74

09-16-04, 20:25

The Traveler,

Great great! You remind me when I was used to play with the girl lived in the house in front house of my grandmother to doctor and patient, but she was only one woman, I can only imagine how it was exiting that game for you! Great idea really.

Thanks for info on Betaisodona.

Fun Pete

10-19-04, 08:16

This was reporeted at Reuters on 10.19.2004:

CHAIYAPHUM - A one-legged German, accused of trying to infect nearly 100 teenage girls with HIV through unprotected sex, last night launched a tirade of abuse against Thai women, calling them "witches" and "monkeys".

Hans-Otto Schiemann, a 56-year-old former sailor from Schweinfurt in Bavaria, has become a figure of hate in northeastern Thailand, with posters plastered across the town of Chaiyaphum warning young women not to have sex with him.

Since Thailand has no laws dealing with people who deliberately infect others with the Aids virus, prosecutors have charged him only with immigration offences.

"Thai women are bad. Thai women are witches and they're monkeys," he told reporters outside the provincial court in Chaiyaphum, 340km northeast of Bangkok.

Residents say Schiemann, who has been in Thailand for much of the past decade, offered students aged from 15 to 17 around 4000 baht ($140) for sex as part of a campaign of vengeance against Thai women, whom he blames for his own HIV infection.

Sura Wisedsak, of the provincial health office, said that according to Schiemann's wife as many as 90 women had been deliberately exposed to HIV. If their other sexual partners were taken into account, the number of victims could be as high as 500.

Schiemann, who refused a prison blood test to confirm his HIV status, admitted he had HIV but said he had done nothing wrong, and had merely been an attractive figure in the relatively impoverished region because of his wealth.

He accused his Thai wife, Jiraporn Paktaku, who has Aids, of being part of a campaign to get him kicked out of the country. He is charged with overstaying a month-long tourist visa. The case has been adjourned until November 15.

The German Version Can be read here:
http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/2004/10/19/thai-maedchen/thai-maedchen__s__ex__seppel.html

Member #2745

10-21-04, 08:38

Big Swede

10-21-04, 19:24

I am in the LOS about every 4 months for about 1 week. Does anyone know where you can get a VD check up to see if you picked up anything. I got gonnorea one time and didn't find out until I got back to the US about 2 weeks latter. Still don't know who gave it to me.

There are quite a lot of clinics advertising both tests for HIV and other VD along sukhumwit and everywhere in pattaya. The quality of these clinics can vary a great deal.

Your best shot would be to visit one of the bigger hospitals and get your test done there. In bangkok i can recmend bumrungrad - http://www.bumrungrad.com/ . Very good also by western standard, cheap compared to the west but expensive by thai standards.

In pattaya the bangkok - pattaya hospital seems to have the best reputation - http://www.bph.co.th/pages/main.html .

Compared to the rest of south east asia thailand have got top notch healthcare - if you have to money to pay for it.

MarcoStraight

10-22-04, 19:23

Does anybody try Kamagra Oral Jelly ?
It is a liquid gel selled in BKK and in Pattaya as single dose containing 5 mg. of Sildenafil Citrate equivalent to Sildafenil 100 mg wich is the same component of Viagra.It comes from India and should be the gel's version of Viagra,faster with less side effect.
I've founded Kam. for 100 bath.Personally I've tried it and ..yes it works faster but it seems to be not so stronger than the original Viagra from Pfizer.:confused:

Clandestine782

11-15-04, 13:27

Where can I get a one day HIV test in Thailand (for the hooker that I want to do)? About how much?

What about Viagra? Where can it be bought if I want to have an over the top experience?

Please send all replies to my private message box.

The Traveler

11-17-04, 02:00

Clandestine

Do a short forum search and you will find lots of info regarding those two issues.

Anyway, Viagra and the like can be bought in most pharmacies. Almost all along Sukhumvit have it.

I recommend the Bumrungrad in BKK and the PIC hospital in Pattaya for a HIV test which will set you back around 1000-1500 baht.
A test might give some sort of quite doubtful "security". Do you intend to go bareback after a negative test of your lady of the night ?
If yes, you must be crazy. As you might know, the test will only detect antibodies, not the virus itself. So being tested negative doesn't mean to be HIV free. If she got infected less than three months ago the test still might be negative but she is already carrying the virus.
Better be safe than sorry and ALWAYS wear a raincoat.

Domino

11-17-04, 03:19

Clandestine:

1. Also, pay a bit more and get all the hepatitis tests done.
2. The Traveller is right in his advice.
3. Advice like this belongs on the public forum, not in your private mailbox.

The Traveler

11-17-04, 16:04

Clandestine

Domino's hint is worth to think about, there are more dangers than just HIV.
Even though many people have had Hepatitis A without knowing - cause no symptoms at all - a Hep. B or C infection is nothing you would like to bring home. No alcohol and a special diet without spice and fat for several months is just the smallest prob.
Let's not forget one of the oldest VDs, syphilis. The prob with it is, that the first symptoms aren't serious and often misinterpreted. The virus may rest for years and even decades but without appropriate treatment at the right time it will be back and do great damage.
So again, NEVER go uncovered and try to avoid any unnecessary contact with body fluids of any kind !

Domino

11-23-04, 13:39

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4032699.stm

This HIV article has some good links for anyone interested.

The hepatitis tests take a day longer to get the results. Sinking your dick into these women is playing Russian Roulette. I am off to the casino now. Update will follow when next I cross the bridge.

Dedalus

12-04-04, 20:35

Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has some current information regarding tpyical Viagra or Kamagra prices in Bangkok (Sukhumvit Area). I have not read anything new for a while.

Thanks,

Dedalus

The Traveler

12-05-04, 00:36

Dedalus,

I bought it only once to give it a try, had to pay 600 for some indian stuff in a pharmacy in soi 23, just behind the 7-11. Viagra was somewhat more expensive, around 1000+ as far as I remember.

I would rather invest the money in a better looking girl or someone with great attitude and skills or both, this is my "Viagra" :D

Dedalus

12-05-04, 04:57

Traveler,

Much obliged. Your last point is a valid one.

Dedalus

Coma Boy

12-10-04, 17:17

From CNN's web-site:

"One in 60 people out of the country's population of 62 million are infected with HIV. About one in 10 of those are between the ages of 15 and 24".

Scary stuff.

Thumbs Up

12-14-04, 23:18

this from the ap:

rutgers researchers may have stopped hiv

pirep001away, n.j. — researchers at rutgers university have developed a trio of drugs they believe can destroy hiv, the virus that causes aids, according to a published report.

the drugs, called dapys, mimic the virus by changing shape, which enables them to interfere with the way hiv attacks the immune system.

tests conducted in conjunction with johnson and johnson have shown the drug to be easily absorbed with minimal side effects. it also can be taken in one pill, in contrast to the drug cocktails currently taken by many aids patients.

“this could be it,” stephen smith, the head of the department of infectious diseases at saint michael's medical center in newark, said. “we're all looking for the next class of drugs.”

a research team led by rutgers chemist eddy arnold pre-published details of the most promising of the three drugs, known as r278474, last month in the electronic edition of the journal of medicinal chemistry. full details will be published in the journal in early 2005.

dr. arnold, 47, has worked at dismantling the aids virus over the last 20 years. he uses x-ray crystallography, a technique to determine the structure of molecules, the smallest particles that can retain all the characteristics of an element or compound.

the research has targeted reverse transcriptase, a submiscroscopic protein composed of two coiled chains of amino acids. it is considered hiv's key protein.

“reverse transcriptase is very important in the biology of aids,” dr. smith said. “if you can really inhibit reverse transcriptase, you can stop aids.”

the optimism about r278474 stems from its potential to interfere with an enzyme that the virus needs to copy and insert itself into a human cell.

“we're onto something very, very special,” dr. arnold said.

dr. arnold established his lab at rutgers' center for advanced biotechnology and medicine in 1987. his current 30-member research team is partnered with johnson and johnson subsidiaries janssen pharmaceutica and tibotec-virco nv.

an important advancement in dr. arnold's research came in 1990 when belgian scientist paul janssen was added to the collaboration. dr. janssen, considered a drug pioneer, published a paper that year that described a new drug that blocked reverse transcriptase but caused resistant strains of the virus to pop up too quickly.

dr. janssen sought out dr. arnold, who used crystallography to detail the structure of rt. their work ultimately led to the rt inhibitors.

“we may eventually win the war against hiv/aids. that would be an extremely rewarding and satisfying outcome,” dr. arnold said.

Member #3411

12-22-04, 12:37

Hello guys,

I do not want to spoil anyone's gusto but some very basic reserach about HIV and STD's was enough to scare the shit out of me.

I always had condom during sex but does any veteran over here came across any data showing the probability of getting HIV through oral sex? does DFK have any risk?

These questions might seem stupid, should have thought about the consequances before doing the act and I will have the test to be sure but there is this 3 month period that you should wait. It is too long to spend worrying.

I will appreciate your comments.

Thank you

Atre

Member #3411

12-22-04, 18:49

I've RTFF :)

JuiceSpike

12-22-04, 19:22

From what I know, you cannot contract HIV from a BJ but you can get other less damaging STD's... I think.

But always, always use a good quality condom for fucking.

juice

Gladiator

12-22-04, 21:07

Joe Zop

12-22-04, 22:02

Atreides75, the real worry with BBBJ is not HIV, which as the previous two replies have noted is something an extremely low probability in this instance, but with genital herpes, gonorrhea, and genital warts (among other things) which can all be contracted via oral sex. All of these except for herpes are also relatively low in probability, but they definitely can still happen, as I will personally attest, having gotten the clap from a LOS BBBJ.

JuiceSpike

12-22-04, 23:06

Did you get a refund from the girl that gave you the clap?

:D

juice

Joe Zop

12-23-04, 05:16

LOL, unfortunately, I was elsewhere by the time the affliction became apparent, as is generally the nature of these little things.

Besides, from a contractual perspective, one could say she gave all she promised, she just gave a little more than was desired...

JuiceSpike

12-23-04, 17:45

Yep, she sure gave you all she "had" :)

juice

Kaiser

12-28-04, 21:43

Actually, I heard that if you simply cross your fingers while you have sex you really wont catch any diseases.

Just a tip.

Janos Bacsi

03-01-05, 00:44

sukhumvit, one big nightlife and prostitution area?

sukhumvit has long been housing nana plaza, soi cowboy and thermae about right in the middle between the other two main entertainment areas. beerbars at nana plaza in front of the ground floor a-go-go bars are the rule, and soi zero under the highway has been around also for quite a few years now(though never very successful)

about two years ago clinton plaza, close to thermae, became a major attempt at creating another a-go-go entertainment place, located just 50 meters from sukhumvit road, in a prime location. however, due to 'legal' problems and a tendency by bar managers to charge high prices, it never really took off, and remains a secondary venue.

the last couple of years also saw the development of a beerbar area close to soi cowboy on the corner between asoke road and sukhumvit road. various sections of the rather large area are known as asoke plaza, and asoke corner. an (in) famous bar called [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901), apparently specializes in 'deep throat' like activities.

just recently on the opposite side of the road from thermae, at so called sukhumvit square a new assortment of beer bars are developing. sukhumvit square started of as an agglomerate of shops selling various thai art and handicrafts. probably the shops did not make enough money to pay the rent, and developing a new area for the girls to ply their trade, seemed to be a solution for that problem. quite a few larger sized bars there, mostly in open air, with some attractive girls.

this proliferation of beerbars and also of 'traditional thai massage' places, certainly has something to do with the economic crisis that developed in the years following 1997. on the other hand, more and more tourists are coming to thailand, creating a enlarging market for prostitution in various forms.

what is certainly new the last few years is active freelancer activity throughout central sukhumvit. girls are 'available' in front of robinson department store, close to ambassador hotel, and on the other side of the road, in front of pacific place (close to landmark hotel). furthermore, quit a few girls take up position in the evening and night, between soi 3 and soi 5 (soi foodland). when walking at night in between soi cowboy and nana plaza, it is quite impossible for male wanderers, not to get various propositions. katoeys are around close to nana intersection and in front of ambassador (there is a narrow passage in between ambassador entrance and a tourist information kiosk, where a lot of them are located). at night some of them seem to prefer the pedestrian bridge crossings. watch out for your wallet!

the foodland area at night has become a place where quite few unsavory characters hang out, including prostitutes, pimps, mobile telephone 'operators' etc.

all in all, central sukhumvit road, in between nana plaza and soi cowboy, a stretch of road about 1.5 km long, has become one large entertainment area with lots of beerbars and freelance prostitutes. it is quite puzzling why the development of a freelance market is being tolerated by the authorities, especially in view of the crackdown on other parts of the entertainment scene (go-go bars at nana plaza in particular). for sure sukhumvit is becoming an area of low grade criminality. hopefully this development does not go much further. unfortunately, police in bangkok have a habit of either driving around on motorcycles or directing traffic (or sitting in the traffic control boxes). not much walking around, checking out the area. just a few policemen walking down the sidewalk of sukhumvit, would do wonders in controlling the illegal activities going on there.

besides the description above it has to be noted that pornographic material is widely displayed and available on the sidewalk. while certainly illegal, there seems to be no enforcement fo the law.

The Traveler

03-01-05, 22:01

nottinon,

no criticism intended but where did you copy that article from ?
it's quite outdated, the bar area at asoke corner is (almost) gone, [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) isn't there anymore, it moved to soi 8 and clinton is history as well, just the bars in front are still there the part in the back is closed or gone too

btw, lots of police in civil clothes in the suk area. they mostly target drugs but will arrest pickpockets as well if they can catch one (only at night, during day time it seems to be too hot :()

Jaimito Cartero

03-02-05, 00:51

Nottinon,

no criticism intended but where did you copy that article from ?

If do a search on Google, or other search engines, and include a whole sentence enclosed in quotes, it will bring up a hit in many cases.

In this case, it brought up this site:

http://www.bangkokbargirls.info/articles.asp

Lee66

03-11-05, 12:08

I have been coming to sukumvit area for some 25 years at least 3 times a year, what you are describing is about 3 years old, back then you could walk from grace hotel soi3 up to ambassador hotel ,pass some 100 russian girls and many more thail girls all freelancing and some thai girls with momason. grace was full of freelancers from 24:00 to 04:00 hrs. also, chinatown area was full of girls in afternoon, A crackdown begain by thaksin some 5 months before apec The plain cloths cops would help round up the girls, take them to police station demand money for release, the stuoid girls would claim they need to work here to pay for baby moma etc, same story they us guys.. (thaksin wanted to convince foreign business men that bangkok had no street walkers?.) the crack down continued but not as fierce after apec. I was here in december 04 , there was police activity then I left for pp day before tsunami, came back in january for 2 weeks and I saw no police activity. I just came back this week and I here the police haven't been around for a while so I think it took a tsunami for thaksin to realize thailand needs the sex industry.

Domino

03-29-05, 01:57

Gentlemen (if such exist): Plese ocnvey this news to any loose ladies of your acquaintance. I do not want them losing their teeth, even though I am partial to bbbjs by toothless wonders. A concerned John T Domino

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/4335939.stm
Lip piercings 'can shrink gums'
Having a lip piercing is bad for the gums and can make them shrink back from the teeth, dentists warn. The longer people wear the piercing, the worse the recession is, researchers from Ohio State University in the US found - in a study of 58 young adults.

The British Dental Association reported in its official journal in 2003 of the same risk with tongue piercings. Oral piercing - a trend growing in popularity - can cause life-threatening infections and reactions, it said.

It will only be one or two teeth affected - but they are front teeth, so not ones you want to lose UK dental expert Professor Jimmy Steele, from Newcastle University The Ohio team said that people with lip piercings were far more likely to have receding gums than those without piercings.

Gum recession is associated with gum disease, which can cause the loss of teeth that are otherwise healthy.

When the dental researchers examined the young people's mouths they found average recession depth was more than double in those with piercings, compared with those without piercings.

Dr Dimitris Tatakis and his team presented their findings at a conference of the International & American Association for Dental Research.

Tooth loss

Professor Jimmy Steele, from Newcastle University's Dental School in the UK, said people who had, or were considering getting, a lip piercing should take heed of the findings. "The metal of the lip stud is physically rubbing over the gum at the neck of the tooth causing the gum to recede.

"Once this has happened, you don't get the gum back and it often becomes more difficult to clean and therefore even more prone to gum disease in the future. The effect is quite localised so it will only be one or two teeth affected - but they are front teeth, so not ones you want to lose."

He said it was only really a problem for long-term wearers.

He said taking the stud or ring out at night time and making sure the teeth were really clean would help reduce the risk of complications.

Fly for Thai

04-21-05, 02:52

not sure if i should post this under safe sex or not. but it will touch on some safe sex topics. i went to angel witch, nep on the 8th of april. i met a real sweet warm cutie. cut to the chase, i bar fined her. while she is getting changed into street clothes i pop a quarter of a 100mg viagra. i doubt that i’m going to need it. but i wanted a hard-on that could drive railroad spikes. we get back to my room and after the showers and some fooling around i reach for a condom. i started with a durex color and flavor condom for oral. as i roll it on i notice that it seems really tight. it’s a little painful to roll it on. but i ignore that. the blowjob was good. we fool around some more. i reach for a kimono ultra thin condom to replace the durex for the main event. as i roll this one on i notice that it too is too tight. i also see a little bruising on the shaft about a ½ inch below the head. i ignore that in anticipation of the main event. i’m using astroglide lube. we start and damn her pussy is so so tight. we go through some positions and eventually work our way to doggie. i get a little too aggressive i think. i miss the mark.

the condom doesn’t slip but catches on her skin. i know that i’ve bent it a bit too much. but i don’t really think too much of it. then as i try to re-enter her from behind i feel pain at the base of the head. i pull out altogether and take a real close look. i see a little blood in the condom. now that sends me from 0 to freaked real quick. i jump out of bed and head to the bathroom to take a closer look. i take the condom off. i take a quick shower washing the important parts. then i fill the condom with water to see if i can find any holes. i find no leaks in the condom. then i take a close look at my dick. the top 1/3 of the head is bruised. a nice dark bruise is forming on both sides of the shaft, but mostly on the right side. it appears that i tore a very tiny bit of skin at the tip of the urethra. she freaked out a lot less than i did but my jumping out of bed did scare her a bit. she took a quick shower. i then explain what happened and that we can’t have sex. we spent the night together. it was very s/o like.

in the morning i enjoy her body and do the best i can to make her feel good. it was pretty hot turning her on knowing that i wasn’t going to have sex with her. though i really wish i could have. for the next 2 days it burns when i [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) and when the [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) comes in contact with the cut. [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) reopens the cut so that i see a drop or two of blood when i [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111). the cut healed just fine in 2 days. the bruise faded completely within 10 days. i still can get a normal erection but feel just a hint of pain still at the base of the head. i think the pain will fade away altogether in a couple more days. this experience pretty much ruined my mongering while on vacation. i just wasn’t comfortable having sex with a dick that was in less then tip top shape. not to mention it hurt a little when i had a hard-on. i didn’t have sex again for the rest of the trip. however two days after getting bent i bar fined a girl in phuket. her name was tar and damn she was… i could fall in love. but i’m not going to do that. i don’t have her number or email and i’m back in the states. anyway, we didn’t have sex for the reasons listed above. but she did give me a handjob. though the hard-on hurt a bit, it felt great while getting a handjob. it was perhaps the best orgasm i had in years. i damn near drowned the girl in a massive facial.

anyone else experience anything like this? i think the viagra, the tight condoms and too little lube resulted in increased wear and tear on the woman maker. what do you think? would you have been comfortable having sex if you faced similar circumstances?

Johnson45

05-02-05, 14:25

Were can I get my HIV test in Udon Thani?

Johnson45

05-08-05, 04:14

This is not a mongering report but I want to share what I saw in Udon. I'm here visting a friend I met so I have not been out mongering.

We went to visit her family in outside of Udon (Nang Bua Lam Phu). In her little village of about 100 people there were two women with aids and there husbands and children had it also. One of them said they got it from her husband who also worked at a bar.

It was so scary to see this up close that it scared the hell out of me. It made me regret everytime I didn't use a condom.

When I was in pattaya I would ask farangs who lived there if aids is a problem and everybody said no. I wonder if it's becuase no one talks abot it when they get it.

Anyway I just wanted to share this. Its "up to you " what this all means.

I was so scared yesterday when we went to the hopital to get are blood test. We are both clean for HIV and Hep A. Hep B took to long for the results so I passed since I won't be here that long.

Good Luck All.

MS Clive

05-08-05, 07:36

Fly for Thai,

Please get STD checked. I recently got one - chlamydia. But I will live.

70% of US population has STDs but they do not know it. Especially common among teens. Much more common among SW and mongers, I bet. The statistic is huge but true. I did not know until my doctor here in the USA told me so.

I always use a condom for FS as well as BJ. Only on one occasion did I have a BBBJ for 15 sec or so. Yet I caught it. Apparently chlamydia bacteria also resides in the throat and I do enjoy kissing during FS. Maybe that's how I got it.

Please practice safe sex guys.

MS Clive

05-08-05, 07:47

Contracting HIV from a BBBJ is extremely unlikely, it’s like being struck by lightning, but as you know some people are actually struck by lightning now and then.

The risk appears when your hired mouth has open sores or a bleeding area (by the teeth, lips or wherever).

I remember one occasion in the Sacred City of Pattaya when, after a long BBBJCIM, the Beach Road worker took a towel and wiped millions of spermatozoa from her mouth. When she left the towel I noticed some small red stains on it, I asked her what it was and she pointed to her lower lip: I looked at it and it was bleeding slightly. The BBBJCIM had been so long that her lip had started to bleed! She had been blowing me bareback while her blood was coming out!

I knew that had been a high-risk experience and there was the chance of contracting HIV as well as other less serious shits.

Anyway, this was a few years ago and all my regular STD tests since then have been fine.

I keep enjoying BBBJ’s as usual, because after all we only live once.Gladiator,

Would you be giving us the same advice "you only live once" even if you had an STD? Well, if you only live once don't you want to live longer?

I got a bloody STD and I can tell you, I'd rather be impotent than to have HIV or even herpes. That will ruin your libido and much more.

Please do CBJ. Not that much different in feeling but do yourself and the girl that favor. Remember that if she does BBBJs, one thing is definitely true:

1) Either she already has a major STD and now using a condom is "up to you"
2) She has definitely sucked someone who has HIV. Do you want to share the same mouth? Remember that she gets around 20 clients per month and one of them will have the HIV. 14 out of 20 have some form of STD anyway.

If you want to gamble with your life do so. But do not do that if you are married and still mongering. You owe that to your wife (and kids).

The Traveler

05-08-05, 10:08

When I was in pattaya I would ask farangs who lived there if aids is a problem and everybody said no. I wonder if it's becuase no one talks abot it when they get it.

Johnson,

yes, that's the reason and you better be safe than sorry. Do always wear a condom !!!

I used to know two HIV positive girls myself. They caught it after they had been with me, but I tested anyway for peace of mind. One died several years ago and the other one left for good, don't know if she is still alive or not.

It's easy for the girls to avoid tests at gogos and MPs. They take a day off or pay the doc for a negative result. Freelancers and bar girls do not test at all. Nobody really knows the current rate of infection but I wouldn't dare to go bareback.

Furthermore given the time the body needs to develop antibodies after an infection, a test might be negative even though the girl carries the virus. So a monthly test doesn't help much.

I sometimes even test if they would allow me to have intercourse without protection. If they do not insist on a condom and would allow me to do it without protection, I immediately pay them and send them off. If they would do it with me, then they do it with others too.

Johnson45

05-08-05, 11:08

If they would do it with me, then they do it with others too.So many of them let me go bare back in Pattay about 6 months ago. Some of them I even pressured in to it. I feel bad about this now. They can be talked into it and its up to us to not do that.

Seydlitz

05-08-05, 11:52

It is very easy to have condomless sex in Thailand, for many reasons:

1. many girls do not care much, it is in their mentality to be fatalistic and fun-loving.
2. if you go to MPs that cater to the Asian market, condom use is not so frequent, as many Asian men do not want to use it. (They seem to believe AIDS is a Farang thing, that is why many such places are Asian only).
3. Girls can be carried away by the moment and lose sight of whether you use a condom or not.
4. if you are with a girl for some time, she will easily consider that she is your GF, and in their mind GF sex is condomless. "Some time" might mean several days, or just the second shot of the first encounter.

For all those reasons, you should never count on the girl to be the one enforcing safe sex. You are in charge, and you need to be strong enough to use condoms in all circumstances, because the choice is often entirely yours. Or else, you are into risk management area ...

Johnson45

05-08-05, 13:37

Anyone else experience anything like this? Last time I was in LOS for a month I took viagra all the time and got large bulging vain that didn't go down. Luckly it went down went I went back home. It took about three or four days of no viagra before it went down. It didn't hurt.

The Traveler

05-08-05, 16:10

Seydlitz,

good to see you back, hope everything we were talking about in our last mails went out fine.

I agree with all you said, but most girls I have been with - who cater the farang section of the sex biz - do actually insist on protection. They will provide BBBJ, but no fun without a condom.

These girls are well aware about the risks and do realize that they are the main source of income for their families which has to be protected.

Coma Boy

05-08-05, 18:24

I was bitten by the STD bug recently. Not a major one really: Chlamydia. Apparently 70% of the women in US have it. It is more common among teenagers. The symptoms are so often ignorable that patients do not know it.

I usually practice very safe sex: no BBBjs for me.

I may have let go a bit in BKK with a go-go girl who gave me a BBBJ for around 15 sec before the CBJ. I do not know if I was already infected but either I infected her or she infected me.

Never mongered since Jan 1st week of 2005.LOL- a taste of Chlamydia is good for you- nothing like Urethritis to help you repent sins. Plus, that uthethral swab sort of feels nice too.

Chlamydia is a good and relatively painless lesson, that could scare you just enough to stop you catching something worse in the future.

It is extremely difficult to catch this from oral so I doubt you caught it from the go-go-oral.

I didn't realise anyone actually did CBJs, I thought it was an urban myth. I've not once in my life had a CBJ.

Chlamydia is not only rife in Thailand, but also like you say in the US, and everywhere else. A recent study in the UK found that one in eight men, and one in ten women tested positive for Chlamydia. The figures were even higher for teenagers.

The biggest problem with Chlamydia is that 50% of men and 70% of women are asymptomatic, ie- they have no idea they have it. This is one good reason to visit a GUM clinic every so often, even if all seems happy downstairs. And if you test positive a mere seven to ten days on Doxycycline will calm the storm.

Hope your cock feels better soon and may your passion for mongering return with a vengeance.

Domino

05-09-05, 05:27

Chlamydia is a good and relatively painless lesson,.... And if you test positive a mere seven to ten days on Doxycycline will calm the storm.

Painless? Well so is pissing razor blades:)
a mere seven to ten days: it depends on the actual dose. Lots of Thai skanks are very dirty down there as they fuck through their illnesses and Thailand is well known for its virulent strains. Many of the hookers probably never get properly cleaned up at all. Skanking remains a risky proposition.

As an aside to all this: when one drinks water in Thai bars as Skinles does, the staff often think it is because you are infected as that is the reason most expats drink water. Maybe something to think of if you are trying to proposition a skanky Thai barmaid.

Dinghy

05-09-05, 19:54

Domino - really on the water?

I rarely drink anything except water or mixed water/something not sweet. To appease 1 bar owner, I actually had a beer (after I had eeen going there for a week) She was surprised

Much alcohol tends to cause "other" problems with my metabolism, but lots of fluids is good

(40 odd years ago, I had the occassion in PigAlley in Paris to unfortunate with a good looking French piece who gave me the gift that keeps on giving. - Been there, done that - wished I hadn't done her at all)

The Traveler

05-09-05, 22:42

As an aside to all this: when one drinks water in Thai bars as Skinles does, the staff often think it is because you are infected as that is the reason most expats drink water.

Domino,

where is the connection between drinking water and having a STD/VD ?
I understand that someone has to avoid alcohol if he got hepatitis, but water is just a soft drink. Hepatitis in a certain stage can easily be determined (or guessed) by the color of your eyes. Guess that's a better sign than drinking water.

The Traveler

05-09-05, 22:51

Dinghy,

I guess you are talking about herpes. It usually only breaks out if your immune system is weakened by something else.

I have heard that liquorice can be of help. Something in there - I forgot the name of the ingredient - is able to kill the herpes viruses. It's no cure for it, but give it a try.

Domino

05-10-05, 01:05

Drinking lots of water flushes the system and so clap carriers should drink lots of it. (Look at the posts in the overall safe sex section right now). The barrack room humor of Bkk's ex pat drinkers give rise to the comments about water drinkers in bars plus, no doubt, the many times they catch a dose. I mainly drink water and so the skanks call me water boy. Blueberry is a recommended drink too. I got the water and blueberrry advice from doctors btw.
I cannot comment on herpes except to say it has no known cure. Touch wood, I have not contracted it and so I have not looked at the old wive's "cures" concerning it.

JuiceSpike

05-10-05, 02:46

Chlamydia

Chlamydial infection is caused by a bacterium, Chlamydia trachomatis. Like gonorrhea, it's easily transmitted by sex without a condom, including oral sex and anal sex. Unlike gonorrhea, a chlamydial infection usually has no symptoms, or else very mild symptoms.

Chlamydia is the most common STD in the U.S. caused by a bacterium.

The symptoms of a chlamydial infection are usually slight pain during urination or a slight discharge, early in the infection, usually within one to three weeks after infection. Many people have no symptoms. For those who do, the symptoms usually go away until the disease reaches an advanced stage and causes inflammation and pain around the testicles or in the female reproductive system or swelling of the lymph nodes. By then, if not treated soon, the female or the male may become sterile.

A pregnant woman can easily pass the infection on to the eyes of her baby during delivery, causing a serious eye infection and possibly blindness. Chlamydia may also show up as pneumonia in the baby within 3 to 6 weeks of birth.

To determine whether you have a chlamydia infection, the doctor needs to take a smear from the urethra of the man or the vagina of the female and perform tests. It should be determined whether what you have is gonorrhea or chlamydia or non-specific urethritis (NSU), or a combination thereof.

A simple regimen of certain antibiotics usually knocks off chlamydia.

The best site I've found to date on gonorrhea is the U.S. National Institute of Health's web page at http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/stdclam.htm

juice

JuiceSpike

05-10-05, 02:48

Molluscum Contagiosum ("the clam")

Molluscum contagiosum, also known as "the clam", is a recently recognized STD that is not well understood. After a friend notified me of this one (who picked it up from a prostitute on Sukhumvit) and reading a lot of literature on this one, here's what I've put together:

A small bump appears on the skin. It can be on the scrotum or penis or anywhere in the genital area. In the center of the bump is what looks like a pimple but is not a pimple. The skin is moist around the bump, within a radius of a couple of centimeters, when it first comes out. It doesn't hurt or itch. It's fairly benign, but it grows a little for a few weeks to a few months, and then goes away. Apparently, the body fights it off. It generally does not recur. My friend's doctor cut out the central pimple, which turned out to be a hard white bump, as the doctor says that if you don't cut that out, then it will get a lot bigger and take longer to go away. His doctor said he had seen a lot of cases of molluscum contagiosum in farangs on Sukhumvit over the last year. My friend said that the bump that the doctor cut healed up real fast, but two other bumps showed up on his scrotum without the central pimple, and grew for a couple of months, then went away entirely.

There is no medicinal treatment for molluscum. From what I've read on Internet, the doctor usually doesn't do anything surgically, either, unlike what the doctor on Sukhumvit did. However, my friend said that after the central white dot was cut out, the moisture and some other symptoms were reversed and went away quickly.

On the Internet, many people have expressed that sexual desire was unusually and significantly increased during the early stages of mollusca and/or while the bump is present. The speculation is that there has been a natural selection process in which the molluscum promotes its own spreading by making the host more sexually active.

No known negative effects of mollusca are known yet, and indeed not much is known about it.

The best source of information on the web on mollusca that I've found so far is on http://www.syntac.net/dl/Clam/ but I've noted that it's starting to show up in medical sites for consumers, albeit more formally and with less information.

juice

Freeler

05-10-05, 05:25

Juice,

"Making the host more sexually active" and "No known negative effects of mollusca are known yet"

Sounds like fun:D!

JuiceSpike

05-10-05, 13:08

I thought it was funny too...:D

juice

Coma Boy

05-10-05, 13:28

This a a good web-site for Molluscum Contagiosum information.

http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23068963/

Especially amusing are the list of treatments. But, if you happen to find one on your weiner DO NOT use any method other than the liquid nitrogen.

These aren't too common on the penis, they normally occur on the torsos of children. But it is the sort of thing you could easily pick up if you're a BB fan.

In France they actually eat the liquid contained inside.

The Traveler

05-10-05, 19:15

Domino,

I am also a "water boy". I never drink any alcohol at home and extremely seldom on holidays. I guess any average British guy drinks more beer at one day than I had during my whole life. Alcohol doesn't taste to me and beer has the unpleasent effect that I have to go to the restroom very often.

That liquorice is able to kill herpes viruses is no "old wive's cure". It was detected some time ago, but anybody who wants to try that got to be careful. A high dosis of glycyrrhizin, which is an antiviral agent that can derived from the roots of the liquorice plant, can kill you. It might also be effective against HIV, SARS, cancer and other diseases caused by viruses.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE0503/S00014.htm
http://www.advancesinlifescience.com/features_19.htm
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=8115
http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/news-ng.asp?id=58452-liquorice-compound-may
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4307907.stm

The Traveler

05-10-05, 19:16

Gladiator

05-13-05, 00:04

Gladiator,
Would you be giving us the same advice "you only live once" even if you had an STD?

Yes, why not?

Well, if you only live once don't you want to live longer?

Not necessarily, I think a shorter but more pleasurable life is preferable to a longer but more boring one.

I got a bloody STD and I can tell you, I'd rather be impotent than to have HIV or even herpes. That will ruin your libido and much more.

I’d rather have any STD than be impotent.

Please do CBJ. Not that much different in feeling but do yourself and the girl that favor. Remember that if she does BBBJs, one thing is definitely true:
1) Either she already has a major STD and now using a condom is "up to you"
2) She has definitely sucked someone who has HIV. Do you want to share the same mouth? Remember that she gets around 20 clients per month and one of them will have the HIV. 14 out of 20 have some form of STD anyway.

If you want to gamble with your life do so. But do not do that if you are married and still mongering. You owe that to your wife (and kids).

I find CBJ’s very different in feeling, that’s why - as many other mongers - I prefer to increase my risk exposure.

In any case, there is no universal truth in this matter: you have to do a risk-reward analysis, evaluate your own personal situation and take the right decision based on your target rewards and the level of risk that you are willing to take. After doing this analysis, whatever decision you make (whether it involves BBBJ, CBJ or no BJ at all) will be the right decision.

JuiceSpike

05-15-05, 16:54

Always, always use them...

juice

W169

05-24-05, 05:15

When I was in Bangkok 2 months ago, in both occasions when I went to Nana Plaza by taxi, both the taxi drivers kept saying the girls there are 'dirty' and I should go to better places. Not sure how true this is or they simply tries to take me somewhere that they can get a commission.

Coma Boy

05-24-05, 07:31

Both the taxi drivers kept saying the girls at Nana are 'dirty' and I should go to better places. Not sure how true this is or they simply tries to take me somewhere that they can get a commission.Both reasons.

The girls at Nana ARE dirty, most Thai guys wouldn't go near them. NEP is full of girls who aren't attractive to kohn Thai.

But, yes, the taxi drivers are also keen for commissions.

Duniawala

05-24-05, 15:36

Both reasons.

The girls at Nana ARE dirty, most Thai guys wouldn't go near them. NEP is full of girls who aren't attractive to kohn Thai.

But, yes, the taxi drivers are also keen for commissions.

CB

Pardon my ignorance but could you define DIRTY in the context mentioned above.

Duni

Coma Boy

05-24-05, 17:10

Hi Duni.

It wasn't meant as an insult, I love every single one of them.

In the context below, dirty as in unclean, potentially infected etc. Plus, the fact that many of them have ya-ba habits.

(Plus, dirty as in promiscuous, like most of us).

W169

05-25-05, 10:05

Hi CB,

Thanks for a useful answer. However in a night scene like Bangkok, or as a matter of fact, anywhere in the world, does a 'clean' place exist? We just need to play safe a protect ourselves, right?

BTW what is ya ba habit? Excuse my ignorance.

Coma Boy

05-25-05, 19:03

There are plenty of clean girls here too. In fact, they outnumber the dirty ones tenfold.

It's just that the dirty ones are much more easily accessible. Especially for the instant action that most of us crave.

But yes, you're correct - we just need to protect ourselves.

Ya Ba is a methamphetamine that is usually smoked, and that many many bar-girls (and countless others) regularly use. It comes in little orange pills and these days is mostly manufactured in Burma. Has that sickly-sweet smell when burnt.

In Thai YA means drug/medicine, and BA means crazy.

W169

05-26-05, 06:23

Can you give me some suggestion on 'clean' place CB as I am heading back in a few weeks time.

A lot of people said these expensive massage parlour are clean as they have regular checkup for the girls..etc. In fact many go-go bars claims their girls are regularly checked too. I go to MP for the good services, not for its 'cleaniness'.

To me, I just think people have the illusion that things are better if you have to pay more for it, especially the locals who think STD/AIDS only comes from Westerners. What do you think.

Hey CB, do you live in Bangkok?

Coma Boy

05-26-05, 16:08

Depends if you mean cleaner-P4P or just clean. Somewhere like Route 66 on RCA is good for clean girls.

The girls working at upmarket karaokes and hostess bars are normally required to be tested regularly.

Anyway, I prefer dirty, and I know a lot more about dirty than clean.

I date a lot of students and other non-working girls and in general they are cleaner than bar-girls but you never know.

Okay, no more of this C word.

Hey CB, do you live in Bangkok?
I live in Chiang Mai but am in BKK at least ten days per month.

Coma Boy

05-26-05, 16:57

Have just remembered why we are talking about clean girls- it came from your cabby's comments.

I don't think anyone would dispute the fact that prostitutes are "dirtier" (in every sense of the word), and have higher STD prevalence than non-working girls.

There is always this Bangkok cabby opinion but I regularly hear the exact same sentiments from kohn Thai of all walks of life. (Just as I hear the exact same thing said about EDSA girls from cabbies in Manilla).

Not everyone in BKK shares our love of NEP girls!

Anyway, clean is good, but dirty is often necessary.

Any Hole

05-26-05, 23:58

i have just come back from 5 nights in bangkok and 5 nights in pattaya.

i think on the whole the thai girls are much cleaner and respectfull of catching std's than girls in england.

i found it very difficult to find young freelancers from the angels disco or outside in the car park to do owo, and cim from these girls was impossible.

most of these girls asked me if i had hiv because i was asking for oral without a condom, in england i always have oral without.

the massage parlours like annies and teen massage would do owo cim, but even then this involved several washes of my cock with a antiseptic wash and then they would rinse out their mouths with mouthwash before and afterwards, this is un heard of in english massage parlours.

in pattaya it was the same story as bangkok, i had a owo cim at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) in pattaya this again involved intense cleaning of my cock with antiseptic wipes, and then several gargling sessions by the girl, who then insisted on making me inspect her mouth to see she had no bleeding gums,or ulcers before she commenced.

in pattaya i took out the same bargirl two nights in a row, on the second night she said i could have sex without, and come inside her but obviously i declined i am not that kinky.

The Traveler

05-27-05, 23:07

Depends if you mean cleaner-P4P or just clean. Somewhere like Route 66 on RCA is good for clean girls.

Coma Boy,

when I was at RCA last time, February on a friday at 11:30pm, it was almost dead. All other bars - except Route 66 - were closed and even Route 66 was quite empty. I found a student for company and she told me that RCA is dying because most of the biz went to the Ratchada Soi 4 area, where we went later on. It was packed as usual.

Is RCA back to life or still a waste of time ?

Coma Boy

05-28-05, 06:29

RCA is making a comeback.

Route 66 merged with Interstate and has been converted into a very cool and extremely popular venue. I went a few weeks ago and had to stand in line to enter! Route 66 is definitely a good pick-up joint but certainly no P4P unless you meet a student who can't live without the latest Nokia. Any mongers wanting to pick up here should go with Thai friends, it isn't the sort of place to lurk alone.

RCA is certainly quieter than the old days and I didn't even see one Thai-teen gang-fight!

All in all though, I still prefer Ratchada.

Dinghy

05-28-05, 16:41

OK - where is RCA (or what does it mean) and no comic RTFF response (I usually don't venture much in BKK)

Coma Boy

05-28-05, 16:50

Dinghy:

Read the... oh, sorry.

RCA = Royal City Avenue.

Dinghy

05-28-05, 17:28

thanks I think... It's not a location talked about that I remember reading much before -Now that I know, i'll either look on a map or ASK (assuming I just decide to venture out there next trip)

Coma Boy

05-28-05, 18:09

Dinghy:

RCA is pretty much 99% Thai. Mostly students, but slowly attracting the Thai hi-so crowd.

Certainly not a good place for mongers, but if you've got special skills it's easy enough to pick-up there. Otherwise you'll leave feeling fucking frustrated at the hotties you couldn't chat to, and take it out on some poor Sukhumvit harlot.

Nearest BTS is probably Asok or Phrom Phong but best to take a taxi. In fact, you'd have to take a taxi from the BTS anyway. Typical Thai student scene- entrance fees, 1am closing, occassional police [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) testing, motorbike crashes etcetera.

Dinghy

05-29-05, 05:07

Coma - pood pa-sa Thai kongchun is about sam-kreung bee dek khon thai (to those who want to know - I speak like a 3-1/2 year old) getting dee gwar, though

Coma Boy

05-29-05, 07:43

You want to say:

Pom pood parsah Thai dai geng tao gab dek Thai ar yuu sahm kuab.

(Note: for ages under about ten you say "Kuab" instead of "Bee").

Keep it up Dinghy, you'll improve in no time.

Thulolado

05-29-05, 17:00

I don't think anyone would dispute the fact that prostitutes are "dirtier" (in every sense of the word), and have higher STD prevalence than non-working girls. [/QUOTE]

That's for sure, however, I'm tending to think that pros - well, those catering to farangs at least - are more knowledgeable about STDs and such. The only times I've been concerned about cleanliness has been with part-timers, the one's who only work occasionally. One pulled the 'very shy' routine and didn't want me to bathe with her then when I went in for some DATY it turns out she had an obvious and roaring yeast infection. She didn't even know that anything was wrong! Yea, a lot of STDs don't have any obvious symptoms, but I tend to think that the real pros have a higher awareness and (very hopefully) are cleaner than the non-working girls

Marco Pole

06-05-05, 07:17

Hey guys,

I read a report this evening in the washington post regarding the Aids rate in Japan that seemed alarming. In it they discuss how the Japanese have always denied the fact that Aids exists in significant numbers in their society etc etc and that lately, due to a number of factors, is has increased very rapidly.

One of the comparisons that they made was in relation to Thailand where they state that, according to the UNAIDS org, 1 in 100 people in Thailand are HIV positive. That seems like a ridiculously high figure! Are these just scare tactics or is there any truth to this?

Domino

06-05-05, 07:38

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35538-2004Jul7.html

Dear Mr Pole

I was intrerested in your post. As it gave no references, I looked up the WP and found a year ago the USA was asking, as ever, for Japan to give more money to America's pet projects. Japan has one of the world's lowest HIV rates. One major reason is that there is little IV drug use in Japan. So, follow the money trail with the Washington Post and discount their bs accordingly. Japan has a low HIV rate but its sex industry is largely closed to transient mongers which is just as well for the rest of us;)

As HIV rates are much higher than 1 in 100 in many places, parts of Thailand included, the rate is not ridiculously high as you claim. The bareback, DATY and others here are playing Russian roulette. They can pretend to shuffle and stack the deck all they like but there is a lot of disease out there to help us remember our LOS fling.

Thulolado: Apologists here for these fallen women might argue that they are often cleaner. However, in places like LOS where the customer is always right and where the skanks are illiterate field hands, and where the doctors can only tell them to breathe out on the way up (rinse it after every fuck), caution is probably advised.

Personally, I am saddened that men go to Thailand to abuse these diseased women.

The Traveler

06-05-05, 08:18

Coma Boy,

thanks for the RCA update. I will give it another chance next time. It used to be a good pick-up joint in the past and I hope it will be as good as it has been.

Coma Boy

06-05-05, 08:23

It seems to have become slightly more pricey and slightly more hi-so, and so isn't as good a pick-up joint as it used to be when it was just Thai teens out of their minds on 100 Pipers.

Marco Pole

06-06-05, 16:51

Domino,

Here is the article if you'd like to read it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/04/AR2005060400938_pf.html

I'm heading back to Thailand in a couple weeks to study at Chula and am looking forward to it regardless. I always cover up so I'm not too worried but one in 100 still seems a bit high. I could understand a figure like that in Africa but recent reports I've read seem to indicate that Thailand has shown a steady decline in new Aids cases in the past few years.

Anyway, better safe than sorry I guess.

MP

Coma Boy

06-06-05, 16:56

One in 100 still seems a bit high.One in 100 seems a bit low!

Marco Pole

06-06-05, 17:08

Yeah good point...guess I should rephrase that.

Bonsuk

07-05-05, 04:35

Well I just spent to many drunken nights with girls and became reckless in not using condoms all the time. I think I now have made the biggest mistake in my life. I do not have any stds, but I now have a gland infection in my pelvis area near the groin. I am afraid that this is the first sign of hiv infection. Does any body know if I can buy an orasure or any other kind of at home hiv/aids test kit in bkk or pattaya?

Also does anybody know what is Thai policy regarding testing at a clinic? If I am hiv positive, will I be registered as a carrier? Will it be listed on my entry through passport control? Thanks for any information, from scared and stupid.

Coma Boy

07-05-05, 07:48

That is not an early sign of HIV infection, it could be anything.

Just go to a good hospital, have them test you (use a fake name if you must), and then worry about the results afterwards.

If you've gone bareback more than a few times you have probably also caught (and spread) Chlamydia, which is often asymptomatic. But this is easily treated with a short course of antibiotics.

Report your symptoms to a doctor, and let the professionals work out what has caused the infection instead of jumping to conclusions. Be 100% honest with the doctors, they may frown disapprovingly but there is no point keeping secrets from them.

If you simply take a blood-test for HIV you'll still have the infection (and whatever else you may have picked up), whatever the HIV results.

Good luck.

Seydlitz

07-05-05, 10:38

In Victorian Britain, the high society believed that if you were infected with some STD's, the only effective cure was to have unprotected sex with a virgin, so that she would get the disease and the infected man would be clean again.

The effectiveness of this procedure was disappointing, though.

Seriously, as Coma Boy wisely advised, go to a real doctor, get yourself examined and get treated on the spot.

I would not worry too much about HIV if I were you. There are lots of nasty things that can be sexually acquired, especially when engaging into unprotected intercourse with promiscuous sex providers, but hardly anything that modern drugs cannot treat. It can be very unpleasant and even downright painful, but you will survive.

Act now.

Horatio

07-05-05, 15:54

[QUOTE=Bonsuk]Well I just spent to many drunken nights with girls and became reckless in not using condoms all the time.

First off good luck with the AIDS test. When you say you were reckless in not using condoms, did you pressure the Thai girls to not use them or did you just forget? I thought all TG's were pretty insistant on using condoms.

I hope things work out for you.

Regards Horatio

Coma Boy

07-05-05, 16:01

I thought all TG's were pretty insistent on using condoms.Not as insistent as they should be. I'd say about 4/10 are ready to go without protection. I am often the one insisting.

Seydlitz

07-05-05, 16:21

Let me cut and paste a previous post of mine on this:

It is very easy to have condomless sex in Thailand, for many reasons:

1. many girls do not care much, it is in their mentality to be fatalistic and fun-loving.
2. if you go to MPs that cater to the Asian market, condom use is not so frequent, as many Asian men do not want to use it. (They seem to believe AIDS is a Farang thing, that is why many such places are Asian only).
3. Girls can be carried away by the moment and lose sight of whether you use a condom or not.
4. if you are with a girl for some time, she will easily consider that she is your GF, and in their mind GF sex is condomless. "Some time" might mean several days, or just the second shot of the first encounter.

For all those reasons, you should never count on the girl to be the one enforcing safe sex. You are in charge, and you need to be strong enough to use condoms in all circumstances, because the choice is often entirely yours. Or else, you are into risk management area ...

Joe Zop

07-05-05, 16:46

Bonsuk, if you've "just spent" all those wild nights then the odds that what you're seeing is HIV are basically nil. It could be any number of things, and if what you're seeing is an infected prostrate those could include gonorrhoea, chlamydia, candida or a huge number of other things, either STD related or not. None of those is going to get you put on any list in LOS, and most types are treated with antibiotics or steriods and alpha-blockers.

But don't spend time worrying -- get checked out and get it dealt with. And then let folks here know what's what, so we can all learn from your experience.

Giotto

07-06-05, 05:16

Bonsuk,

Early signs of HIV (Primary infection) are flu like symtoms like sudden high fever, muscle ache and in some cases a skin rash. That occurs within a few days after the infection, in about 60 - 80 % of the cases, but disappears again after 5 - 10 days. And - sorry to say that - swollen glands CAN occur during the primary infection, too. But this symptom can occur with MANY different kinds of infections, which are easy to treat. And - many people do not experience any syptoms of a Primary Infection, so you can only be sure about it if you make a test.

On the other hand - the chance that you got infected with HIV is close to zero, if we talk about "a few nights", and if you have no open wounds / small fissures at your penis, which increases the risk dramatically.

There are Antigen tests available, which can check on the virus approx. 10 days to 2 weeks after the initial event. This tests are expensive, but I recommend to spend that money because the antibody tests will only give you results 6 weeks to 3 months after the infection. That time period will drive you crazy, you will experience mental stress in a way you never experienced before.

Pattaya International Hospital - go there and make a test, immediately.

Use condoms from now on, to protect the girls - and to protect US.

Whatever the outcome is - the HIV infection is nowadays NOT a death sentance any more. You will have to take a cocktail of medicaments all your life, change your life style (alcohol, smoking) and you will only have protected sex, if you care about others. But the average life expectation for newly HIV-infected people is rising every year, and many infected people will live their normal life and die of a heart attack one day, as other non-infected people too.

Good luck to you.

Giotto

Ralph Kramden

07-06-05, 15:05

Study Says Circumcision Reduces AIDS Risk by 70%

Here are the first two paragraphs from an article posted by the July 5 Wall Street Journal Online.

In a potentially major breakthrough in the campaign against AIDS, French and South African researchers have apparently found that male circumcision reduces by about 70% the risk that men will contract HIV through intercourse with infected women.

Other than abstinence and safer sex, almost nothing has been proved to reduce the sexual spread of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. World-wide, the major route of HIV transmission for many years has been heterosexual sex.

Domino

07-06-05, 15:24

sorry to disappoint but this kind of bullshit has been floating around for years. for over 100 years, all kinds of quacks have been promoting circumcision to cure everything from speech impediments to the clap and now hiv.
the key thing about cut v uncut is it allows these idiots measure, compare and contrast, and then to write idiotic papers, go to conferences, get money for more "research" and go to conferences to bareback skanks. papers have been appearing on hiv and circumcision for over 10 years just as they previously appeared on other hot topics of days gone by.

the japanese are generally uncut as are the south koreans. they have very low hiv rates. importantly, americans' cut rate is around 50% so it is easy to get groups of cut and uncut and look for significant differences in infection rates between them. (cut junkies v uncut).

in africa, muslims tend to be uncut but cleaner in hygiene and more prone to keep their dicks in their pants. also, it can be difficult to tell who is cut, uncut or half cut (in africa).

bottom line: it was probably a quiet day at the wsg. nonsense like that should be beneath them. i make this post as it might save someone reading it from believing having a cut dick will save them if they fuck a hiv ridden skank/whatever.
cold advice like this is needed when we see some of the bullshit recently written both here and in the wsg.

love, peace and death.
that should read wsj;)

Phuquer

07-07-05, 02:24

Agreed. This report (on WSJ) is crap, and dangerous. You can have microscopic lesions on your foreskin the same way you can have lesions on the head or base of your penis. Circumsision won't protect you at all. Let's not all go cutting off our tips and think we are protected. We are not. We are messing around in a dangerous hobby, and this report is going to convince some idiot who is circumsised that he is safe and he will go out and have unprotected sex with some beach road skank and get sick. Then he will say "But I am circumsised! I thought I was protected!" Use your brains, everyone. Wrap it up before you stick it in.

Giotto

07-07-05, 02:56

That circumcision report is dangerous nonsense. I don't really want to comment on that study; anybody who knows a little bit about that virus and the way it enters into the body will not even start a serious discussion about that study.

Even from the simple mathematical point of view it should not have any impact on our sexual behavior and the necessity for safe sex. The mentioned risk reduction still leaves us with that remaining 30 % ... so what does it help?

Breakthrough? A breakthrough would be the development of a vaccine, or a medicament which can destroy the virus in infected bodies. These are the fields serious scientists are doing research in.

Giotto

Ralph Kramden

07-07-05, 05:28

Gentlemen

My stance on practicing safe sex is well documented on the WSG Board. I am not advocating unprotected sexual intercourse.

The Wall Street Journal is not the National Enquirer or similar to any other tabloid publication, but one of the most highly respected newspapers in the world. They don't print trash or crap. Before you lambaste the article I informed you of, I suggest you read it in its entirety.

Personally, after reading about the study, I feel safer indulging in our dangerous pastime because I practice safe sex and am also circumcised.

Anon Sailor

07-07-05, 06:05

Read my post in the photo section in the Philippines about WHO/CDC, the Times is no better, they've had their source problems, articles can be total bullcrap.

Gentlemen

My stance on practicing safe sex is well documented on the WSG Board. I am not advocating unprotected sexual intercourse.

The Wall Street Journal is not the National Enquirer or similar to any other tabloid publication, but one of the most highly respected newspapers in the world. They don't print trash or crap. Before you lambaste the article I informed you of, I suggest you read it in its entirety.

Personally, after reading about the study, I feel safer indulging in our dangerous pastime because I practice safe sex and am also circumcised.

Lustforthrust

07-07-05, 06:18

reduces the chances of contracting HIV.

The study is considered significant because scientists have yet to discover an effective vaccine against the HIV virus or develop a reliable way to prevent infection other than through abstinence or safe-sex practices.

Previous studies have linked circumcision with increased HIV infection.

While these medical results--if they're published and validated--may help some parents decide whether to have their baby boys circumcised, conservatives face a dilemma about what to do: on the one hand, the story's in the Wall Street Journal; but on the other, the study was conducted by the French.

Can you imagine what Americans would do if a group of foreigners blew into town and tried to round up 3,000 men to be randomly circumcised? But then, South Africa IS a country where people actually believe you can prevent HIV by having sex with an infant, so go figure."

Domino

07-07-05, 11:01

Thought you guys might like to an overall Asian snap shot. Looks like, as Chairman Mao said, the East is red. Pity red means Aids.

Phuquer

07-07-05, 16:28

We are not attacking you. Not at all. We just think that the WSJ report is dangerous because it will lead some people to believe that they can have unprotected sex as long as they are circumsised. I did read the report, I do understand what they wrote, but I also know what some who read the report will interpret it to mean. It is dangerous.

Duniawala

07-07-05, 17:22

Thought you guys might like to an overall Asian snap shot. Looks like, as Chairman Mao said, the East is red. Pity red means Aids.

Domino

The map looks outdated as India is also a place where the AIDS virus is spreading rapidly. Just my 2 cents.

Domino

07-07-05, 23:05

Duni: The map is tryng to highlight two things:
1. where HIV ACCELERATION rates are expected to reach Olympian levels soon. Papua New Guinea is expected to get gold and Chinan silver.
2. places with low HIV rates: Japan and South Korea win here with Pakistan and the Philippines dubiously following.
Although India and Thailand have impressively robust rates, the acceleration of those rates does not seem to be so much of an issue. The map writes a message that India has gold for HIV quantity in Asia.
Although PNG is an institutional mess, and the growth rates there should be bullish, there is no room for complacency anywhere.
Recent posts claiming circumcision is a protective against HIV, or that taking "only" a few chances is ok (ie not fucking the skank for a very long period of time) are either misinformed, naive or very dangerous.
I write the last peice as someone who was led to believe the fact that I have little bit off the top would protect me from the clap in Thailand. It didn't. And in case one of our English low life trolls is reading this, I posted about my clap when I got it. There is no such thing as safe sex with Thai skanks.

Duniawala

07-08-05, 02:29

Domino
OK, I see your point. Agree with you and others regarding BS article on circumcision. It is irresponsible and does more harm than good.

D-

Bonsuk

07-08-05, 08:50

Well I just recevied my results from my HIV test and thankfully it came out negative. A fellow monger mentioned a new and very clean clinic on Suk and Soi 11. You can't see the clinic from the street, its inside an alley way behind the 7-11 on Soi 11, it's also along the same alley way as Cheap Charlies bar. The test cost 500 bht and results are given the next day. They don't ask for id, so you can write down any name you want on the test form.

The reason I had an HIV test was that I had gotten mono from a girl in Vietnam 2 months ago, and last week I developed a gland infection while working in Bkk! I felt that my immune system must be very weak to be getting sick so often. Let me point out, I am very healthy, trim and workout at the gym. When I went to the doctor to get checked out, I was told I had a gland infection which was caused by having sex with prostitutes. This caused pure panic in me, thinking that I might have Aids.

I have been mongering for several years now, and when I first started I was very strict about using condoms, but as I became more comfortable with visiting prostitutes I became complacent for many reasons.

1. I would have a girlfriend and frequent prostitutes at the same time. Nothing beats the feeling of going bareback, and it's firmly implanted in your mind when you have a girlfriend. So when you visit a really hot looking working girl you think of how good its going to feel w/o a condom. This is especially true when I was drunk, when I am drunk I lose all sensiblity and discipline.

2. When I was travelling or on a business trip I would get very lonely and sometimes it can be very easy to develop a "relationship" with the girl, over time this would lead to sex w/o a condom.

3. Hanging out and talking to other mongers, I would find out that many never use condoms! They don't like to use them and don't think that they can get Aids. Many of these guys have been in Asia for years, so it gave me a false sense of security that hiv is not possible to catch.

4. I've travelled to some remote areas where the brothel workers do not have condoms or even know what they are. These is especially true in remote areas of China and Indonesia, so always carry condoms.

All this said and done, before my test I had some difficult thinking of how I was going to cope with being HIV positive. I am 32 years old and realized how I would have wasted my life if I was positive. All of the time spent going to school and geting my BA, MBA and building my career would be flushed down the drain. The disappointment in my parents in finding out I am carrying HIV, would be devastating. And most importantly, I would never have the experience of getting married and raising a family.

This was a very scary experience that really scared me straight, we all know that we should use condoms when mongering, and there is good reason to. I never really considered what responsibilty we have when having sex with prostitutes as I was always looking for a good time. Just think what your life would be life would be like if you are HIV positive and what effects it would have on you and your responsiblities to your family. I know I never considered these issues before and hope that everyone can learn from my experience in order to avoid putting your health and life on the line by not using condoms.

Bonsuk

Frankfurter

07-08-05, 09:53

Hi friends,

Just came back from the TOP CLINIC, 2nd. Rd., in Pattaya where I had a chat with the doctor. I asked him what the majority of the cases are, which he sees. He tells me that almost all customers, Farang and Thai alike, fall into two categories:

1. Respiratory illnesses (what brought me to the clinic; I picked up a bad case of bronchitis probably on a bus)

2. Ghonorea

He urges NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, to exercise the hobby without a condom!
In his opinion, there is a 99.99% chance NOT TO AQUIRE HIV, but currently a almost certain chance to catch Ghonorea (nasty, long lasting, fun spoiling) in Pattaya.

AliasDonkey

07-23-05, 16:08

All this talk about AIDS raised a curious question within me.

If you guys don’t mind me asking, how many of you guys get BBBJ with these girls?

I haven’t when I went, either that or I was too drunk to notice LOL.

There is nothing like the Bare back feeling but I usually do it with the girls I know from back home.

Coma Boy

07-24-05, 06:30

BBBJ is pretty standard over here. I've never come across a CBJ, am still not sure if they actually exist.

I'd imagine a girl only requests cover if the wiener looks unclean or something.

As for the risk, I don't believe it to be too high, and it's a risk I happily take.

I'd imagine eating **** and ass is slightly riskier. One girl I know told me she has had a customer who put a condom on his tongue for the task. Odd.

JuiceSpike

08-02-05, 14:38

DISEASE CONTROL: Ministry to target TB during HIV treatment
Published on August 02, 2005

Two-in-one programme will tackle diseases as part of Bt30 health scheme

The Public Health Ministry will conduct a free tuberculosis treatment programme for people living with HIV/Aids in order to reduce the growing number of people living with both diseases.

Deputy Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said the two-in-one treatment programme was aimed at curing tuberculosis along with the life-saving anti-retroviral treatment under the government’s Bt30 healthcare scheme.

About a third of people living with HIV/Aids were found to also have tuberculosis, which accounts for 12 times the infection rate among non-HIV/Aids sufferers, he said.

The ministry was forced to shift its approach for the treatment of both tuberculosis and HIV/Aids by integrating the treatment programme for HIV/Aids patients.

“The more tuberculosis patients who are cured, the less chance there is that the disease will spread to the rest of the population,” Anutin said.

Working-class people with low incomes make up the majority of people who contract tuberculosis, which kills about 6,000 every year in Thailand, Anutin said. About 10,000 new infections are recorded every year.

Despite the high number of tuberculosis cases, only 55,000 people enrolled in the treatment programme, which takes about six to eight months.

Dr Somchai Phinyoporn-

panitch, deputy director-general of the Disease Control Department, said 76 per cent of the treated cases were successful. The success rate is much lower than the World Health Organisa-tion standard of 85 per cent, he said.

The drug resistance rate of people living with HIV/Aids and tuberculosis is considered high at 5 to 7 per cent, compared to about 1 per cent in the general public.

This prompted the ministry to monitor drug resistance and report on a four-month basis in every province.

As part of the two-in-one treatment programme, tuberculosis patients who have tested positive for HIV/Aids will be evaluated for HIV/Aids treatments such as anti-retroviral drugs. People living with HIV/Aids who have tested positive for tuberculosis will be enrolled in the treatment programme.

The Nation

JP2U

08-03-05, 08:53

I was never impressed with the choice of condoms available in Thailand which ranged from cheap Thai made stuff to basic Durex or other brands. Ultra-thin condoms with increased sensitivity which I'd rather have seem to be unavailable.

I'll probably bring my own supply next time. Unless anyone knows where to get some of those ultra-thin 'skinless' Japanese brands from any specialty shops in BKK.

Top 10 condoms reviewed:

http://www.condomdepot.com/reviews/best-condoms.htm

Coma Boy

08-03-05, 09:07

Wow- those Crown Skinless and Kimono look amazing. If anyone finds them here please post location.

I generally use Durex Featherlite, Jeans, or Comfort, but always steal imported condoms when friends from overseas visit.

I accidentally used one of those numbing condoms (Performax) a couple of weeks back, it was horrible, I couldn't finish after about three hours. Good cardio though.

Havrum

08-08-05, 07:30

What really are our chances of getting HIV? Has anyone ever stopped and calculated their risks. I think that Western countries got so paranoid about aids that you can be with a girl for months and she'll still insist on a condom. Consider this:

.5% chance that the woman has HIV

10% chance that you contract it when having unprotected sex with someone infected with HIV (this is especially low if you don't cum inside from what I understand)

Therefore, that is a 1/2000 chance of getting HIV when having sex. If you are having unprotected sex with only 3 or 4 different girls at a time on a continual basis (who you change every few months or so), that you met at clubs, and having protected sex with prostitutes, it is unlikely you will ever get HIV, and if you do you'll be so old that something else is going to kill you first anyways.

I'm not saying that unprotected sex is generally a smart thing, sometimes its alright and sometimes it isn't. What I am challenging is the conventional wisdom that condoms should always be used with someone whom you don't know, and that calculated risks can't be made in regards to sex. When I get to the point where I'm not even thinking about a condom, it is in such an impassioned moment with a woman as to be in a low risk situation anyways. I.e. you wouldn't be in that state of mind in a dirty brothel or with some professional cold hooker from a bar. I can take 1/1000 long shot to have great sex with several beautiful girls, whom I feel good about, instead of a lifetime of boring, protected sex. Just driving an automobile is a calcuated risk that people unquestionably take, yet unprotected sex, with about the same risk of injury or fatality, is unquestionably rejected.

Consider that people in many developing countries like Thailand and Argentina, whom 10% or less use condoms on a regular basis as reported by polls. These guys are out doing it all of the time without a rubber and very few are contracting anything, why should we miss out on the fun? Of course someone would be at a huge risk if they went around to brothels everyday having unprotected sex, but that is completely different than doing it with just a few, non-working girls every month.

One more thing to consider, how much of HIV contracted through heterosexual sex comes from unprotected anal sex? Probably a very large amount. If you are someone who doesn't like anal sex and never engages in it, your chances probably go down much more.

I bet that quite a few people who preach condom usage are hyprocrites who regularly don't use condoms, who simply want you to use them to reduce their risk of catching anything.

Coma Boy

08-08-05, 15:39

0.5% chance that the woman has HIVYeah, good luck with those odds in Thailand!

You should also consider what you may be giving to the girls, not just what they may give you.

Keep it wrapped fool!

Fly for Thai

08-09-05, 01:24

I bet you are right. I bet most people wouldn't catch anything that can't be cured (well, maybe herpies). But condoms are a very cheap and easy form of insurance that lets me sleep at night. Have you tried the new ultra-thin condoms? May I suggest you try a variety pack to find a brand that fits best? I swear condoms are ten times better then they were when I was a teenager. For me the upside of unprotected sex doesn't equal the possible (however unlikely) downside of unprotected sex. Happy hunting F4T

PS I accept the risk when I drive. But I still wear a seatbelt.

The Traveler

08-10-05, 21:12

Havrum,

it's like playing lottery, the chances to win aren't very high but there is always someone who will win the jackpot.

You play but do you really want to win THAT jackpot ?

Pute Nut

08-10-05, 23:17

Havrum,

Do you have any source for those statistics? Or did you just make them up?

MonterreyDude

08-24-05, 23:55

Havrum.. it isn't only HIV.
It's a host of many STDs.
Guys that BB girls foolishly think they are the first ones to do that with the provider.
What's worse, the girls believe that their customer is someone that never buys sex from a provider.
Boy, is everyone wrong in this game....

What really are our chances of getting HIV? Has anyone ever stopped and calculated their risks. I think that Western countries got so paranoid about aids that you can be with a girl for months and she'll still insist on a condom.

Anon Sailor

08-25-05, 06:25

Hey,

Well, let me chime in on this thread, first, to let you know, I spent 21 years in Navy medicine, most of it in Asia (Philippines, Hong Kong, Japan, Thailand). Most of what is below is from my personal and professional experiences, not I “read somewhere…” bullcrap.

-The CDC/WHO are very political bodies, case in point, in 1986 while stationed at Subic, CDC dropped in and decided to test all of the working girls for HIV. They had a brief conference at the Naval Hospital Subic, at which they stated before testing that they would (from preliminary data) find that 60-70% of the working girls would be HIV positive. So they went forth and tested, finding 18 HIV positive girls in just under 10,000 registered hostesses in Olongapo City (via bi-weekly testing of all bar girls at the Olongapo City social hygiene clinic) Eighteen girls, that’s less than 1 %, all but one where over 30. But having this data in hand, CDC then went about pronounning that the HIV level was about 60%.

-A condom will not protect you from all STDs, if they are only 70% effective in preventing pregnancy then it figures that they are 70% effective against STDs.

-A condom will not protect you against herpes. The most common infection sites are the labial lips (minora and majora), as well as the public mound, none of which are covered by a condom.

-Chlamydia is the most common form of STD in Asia, it is a plant-animal, it’s hard to kill, and it’s getting worse. You would rather have Gonorrhea vice Chlamydia. It is often misdiagnosed as gonorrhea, and normal treatment protocols are ineffective against Chlamydia. Many clinics, both in the US and in Asia do not have the testing kit for it, which is interesting since it is easier and faster to test for it vice gonorrhea.

Bottom line, I could care less if you go bare back or not, it’s a risk you take. I might also add that a good number of working Thai girls (as well a working Filipino girls) have a boyfriend and/or husband who tends to be a reservoir for anything she might pick up either from her BF/Husband or you.

Organicgrowth

08-25-05, 08:59

I think that Western countries got so paranoid about aids that you can be with a girl for months and she'll still insist on a condom. .

Havrum,

The comments from the previous 5 posters says it all. Yes everything in flife is a calculated risk, however its not a risk worth taking in a an environment which you know to be loaded against the math.

Intelligent behaviour is the only answer. So those chicas who insist on a condom even after you have been with them for months are being intelligent.

Regards, Havanaman

Domino

08-25-05, 09:09

Coma Boy: Yes, Skinless condoms, like Skinless, are tops. Okamoto make them: like most tihngs Japanese, they are the best. I find them a little small but that is probably not a problem for you;)
Beating the odds: This is the wrong application of probability and lurs us into a false sense of protection. Most Pattaya skanks are STI infected. Ans syphilis is at pandemic propirtions in SE Asia like it is in Africa.
Uncle Domino
(looking after your welfare)

Organicgrowth

08-25-05, 10:29

Domino,

Please excuse my ignorance: please explain “skinless condoms”…

Regards, Havanaman

Domino

08-25-05, 10:58

Long long ago, when Havanaman was Havanaboy, there was a naughty website run by whatshisname before Jackson became The Skipper. A handsome stud, called John Hansum Man Skinless, decided to join the august and select band of warriors, who included such luminaries as Zxelda and Freeler, who were spreading their light over the Net. (Gladiator and Seydlitz were also there fearlessly spreading the word and their sperm) But John Skiness had to use a name according to the rules of the forum and so he chose his surname, which he got from the Okamoto company which is the world's biggest manufacturers of condoms. When John looked down to choose a name, he lighted on the packet of Skinless condoms he always keeps handy. Eureka.
Now why did Okamoto pick the name Skinless? For the following reasons: 1. Skinless condoms are like having no skin, no condom, skinless, a Japanese expression; it is like doing it skinless; 2. Japanese companies like to use English/Japlish as it sounds more upmarket: please remember that Japan is the only major non US/European country with lots of brand names (Korea, HK have some and Cuba has one). 3. the Japanese are shit at English so their English often gets mangled. Thus confusion with the meaning of Skinless.

Now I hope this information was useful to you as I have billed you $20US for my SIN Fund (skanks in Need): If you check my recent photos, you will agree that there are a lot of ugly skanks whose only hope of geting $20 is by scamming someone like you:)
Havanaman: Recently in Pattaya, I buttholed a skank with a Skinless condom. When I removed it, it was covered in shit. My delicate constitution finds it hard to deal with that and I almost got sick. I am scared of it happening again. Any advice?
shit, I am hot today. I already did post 888 in the Photo section and this is my 777 post. I wonder how 666 is getting along. Anyone want me to mention them in this post? It costs only $20 to SIN.

Coma Boy

08-25-05, 12:09

I find them a little small but that is probably not a problem for you.LOL, thanks Domino! Well, if they're too small for you, they'll definitely be too small for me! I am British after all.

If you don't want a shitty-dick after anal try asking the young lady to take a shit beforehand. Anyway, a few brown stains on the sheets adds to the magic of anal, and gives the occassion a certain element of theatre.

The worse thing is that I am quite partial to rimming, and I tell you, getting a taste in the mouth isn't pleasant.

Freeler

08-25-05, 17:55

Coma,

Please forgive me for not posting a picture that matches your latest post...:(.

Domino,

Over in the photo section:
Where did you get that duck photo? And, more important, who is that smiling bigtit in the picture with the duck? I see many familiar faces in your photos, but I don't remember her...

1Ball

08-25-05, 18:47

Coma,

Please forgive me for not posting a picture that matches your latest post...:(.

...

Freeler, you mean you actually have one ?

:eek:

Freeler

08-25-05, 18:56

1ball,

Check your pm... You kind of asked for it!

JuiceSpike

08-25-05, 19:11

Nice one Domino, especially the tender tone to it. As far as the SIN fund goes how do we know that you will actually not skank it?

Suspecious.

1Ball

08-25-05, 22:03

Go on Freeler, post the pic.
or is it too much, even for our esteemed friends on the Thai board?

Fucking blew me away. Yikes !!!

Johnson994

08-26-05, 00:09

JP2U

08-26-05, 02:09

Gonorrhea long lasting? In the couple times I've gotten it years ago, it was the simplest STD to clear up. 2 anti-biotic tabs a day and its gone in 2 days.

Syphilis was a bad experience though. After being diagnosed with it, the clinic that treated me told me to wait. I waited for 2 hours until closing time in the evening. I found out why they told me to wait. After all the patients were gone and I was the only one left, the doctor gave me the nastiest, longest lasting shot in the buttocks I'd ever experienced. I was screaming at the top of my lungs. But conveniently for him, no patients around to get frightened and leave. ;)

Coma Boy

08-26-05, 07:42

Coma,

Please forgive me for not posting a picture that matches your latest post.Post it!

Excrement is a romantic and beautiful thing.

Organicgrowth

08-26-05, 13:09

LOL. Thanks Domino, I think I understand now.

BTW Havanaman, not being as old as you are, can still remember being Havanaboy! Indeed Havanaman feels as old as the (over 20 year old..) chica he is about to plough...

Havanaman: Recently in Pattaya, I buttholed a skank with a Skinless condom. When I removed it, it was covered in shit. My delicate constitution finds it hard to deal with that and I almost got sick. I am scared of it happening again. Any advice?.

Yes…

Either be a good boy and stop it, or get your “skank” to dump a load before the fact… This is easily facilitated by getting your ride to take Bisacodyl (5mg should do the trick, assuming the painters are not in…) or one of the Fybogel drinks… If she takes the treatment when you first meet, she will be ready to “do backside” when you are ready for round two….

Regards, Havanaman

Gladiator

08-27-05, 03:04

Recently in Pattaya, I buttholed a skank with a Skinless condom. When I removed it, it was covered in shit. My delicate constitution finds it hard to deal with that and I almost got sick. I am scared of it happening again. Any advice?

That’s one of the reasons why I’m not into anal, I prefer to stick to pussies and mouths.

Equally, after a few accidental bites on my balls during the course of several different ball-sucking sessions, I finally decided to ban ball-sucking altogether and declared my balls a no-go area.

JP2U

08-27-05, 03:17

Johnson994

09-11-05, 02:40

JP2U

09-12-05, 03:47

When you had Syphilis, did you have any symptoms and what did it feel like when you had it?
Boy, that was a while back. During my condom-less BKK romps of the 80's. Symptoms of syph are slow developing, over a few weeks. I felt fatigue and noticed a slight sore developing on my penis.

Macho Dik

09-16-05, 07:07

Dear Fellow mongers,

Can some one will be infected when doing a comdomless blow job? I mean both cum in mouth or only sucking by hookers.

Please enlightened me with your precious ideas.

Macho Dik

09-16-05, 09:04

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Anon Sailor

09-16-05, 15:14

one can become infected with a STD via a condomless blow job, oral-pharygeal gonorrhea is common and worst yet it is usually virulent, one can also have herpes and/or syphilis sores inside the mouth and transfer it to someone via an uncovered blow job....better now!

Dear Fellow mongers,

Can some one will be infected when doing a comdomless blow job? I mean both cum in mouth or only sucking by hookers.

Please enlightened me with your precious ideas.

Abse2

09-21-05, 12:52

I have just got back from Pattaya as it was a short trip, was there back in June and was surprised that nearly all the girls did not bother about protection especially the second shot.

And on one occasion this beer bar babe I picked from Soi 7 was rubbing her pussy on the tip of my penis.(approx 0.5-1 inch)

Its only now I thought about it that got me worried as I did use protection for penetration but is this action of bare rubbing dangerous?

Infact girls in Bangkok are more persistent for protection then Pattaya and girls tend to brush their teeth before the main coarse and they normaly give BBBJ first.

Ab

Coma Boy

09-21-05, 16:45

This beer bar babe I picked from Soi 7 was rubbing her pussy on the tip of my penis. (approx 0.5-1 inch).That's a pretty small penis dude.

Abse2

09-21-05, 23:38

I know how you feel CB.

Indrid Cold

09-30-05, 19:34

Hi,

I am new, and I registered here to ask someone.

Before I try to describe my question, I apologize for my bad English, I am from Europe, and I can not speak or write English very good. But I think, it is enough.

In December I will go three weeks to Thailand, Phuket. The main-reason is the Tsunami-disaster almost a year ago. I am young, 20 years old, I will go alone. It is my first travel out of Europe. I do not go there only because girls or women.

But for the case, that I will meet a beauty lady, here my question:
If I there meet a women or a prostitute, do they have condoms? Or must I look by myself for condoms? If yes, should I buy some condoms in my home-country, or can I buy there condoms too (if yes, where?)? Because I think it is too dangerous, to sleep there with women, because I have read in a travel-book, that there a lot of people have AIDS.

By the way: I have not very much carnal experiences.

I will stay in a tourist-hotel the first and the last week. In the middle week, I will search a sleeping-place, when I am there. If I meet a lady, can I take her to my hotel-room, or should I not make this?

I would be very happy, if someone cound answer the questions, because it seems, that a lot people here was already in Thailand.

Best wishes,

Indrid

Indrid Cold

09-30-05, 19:40

Hi,

I am new, and I registered here to ask something.

Before I try to describe my question, I apologize for my bad English, I am from Europe, and I can not speak or write English very good. But I think, it is enough.

In December I will go three weeks to Thailand, Phuket. The main-reason is the Tsunami-disaster almost a year ago. I am young, 20 years old, I will go alone. It is my first travel out of Europe. I do not go there only because girls or women. I want see a lot from the island.

But for the case, that I will meet a beauty lady, here my question:
If I there meet a women or a prostitute, do they have condoms? Or must I look by myself for condoms? If yes, should I buy some condoms in my home-country, or can I buy there condoms too (if yes, where?)? Because I think it is too dangerous, to sleep there with women, because I have read in a travel-book, that there a lot of people have AIDS.

By the way: I have not very much carnal experiences.

I will stay in a tourist-hotel the first and the last week. In the middle week, I will search a sleeping-place, when I am there. If I meet a lady, can I take her to my hotel-room, or should I not make this?

I would be very happy, if someone cound answer the questions, because it seems, that a lot people here was already in Thailand.

Best wishes,

Indrid

Duniawala

10-01-05, 00:59

Mangofan

10-03-05, 12:18

Got royally freaked out last night. I was with this girl (19 year old hottie) and was having a grand time in the 'ol bedroom, with multiple positions and all that. Went to bend her over, and noticed that the condom had come a bit loose. Tightened it up and went back to work. I came, and when I pulled out I noticed that the fucking condom had broke. FUCK. I was freaking out. So I figure for about 30 seconds or so I was vulnerable. I wasn't using any KY or anything, but it was a fairly cheap condom (Lifestyles), so that could be the reason. Anyway, I told her that the condom had broken, and she kinda freaked out, but calmed down after I told her that I was safe. I asked if she had any diseases, she told me no, and then I asked her when her last test was (I have a great book that has all these questions in Thai --- called Thai for Lovers). She told me that she was tested 3 days ago, with negative results, and that she hadn't had sex since then, and that she ALWAYS uses a condom (she wouldn't even let me touch her pussy, so I believe her). She also told me that she just had her period so she probably wouldn't get pregnant. So I think I'm in the clear.
Lesson learned: Don't use cheap condoms and also use the KY if insertion becomes a bit "difficult"

Member #2041

10-03-05, 16:40

I gotta say, if a single broken condom freaks you out, you're in the wrong hobby.

MarcoStraight

10-03-05, 19:44

..... I do not go there only because girls or women. I want see a lot from the island.....

MmmmmmmmmBULSH..mmmmmm.. :D :D :D.

Coma Boy

10-05-05, 08:26

Don't worry too much, if you contracted anything chances are it will just be Chlamydia, which is often asymptomatic, but shouldn't be left unchecked. It is easily treatable with a week's course of Doxycycline (or similar).

If you bareback, or break a connie, more than a few times you will almost definitely pick up a dose of this beautiful bacterium.

Regular BB folk must be permanantly hooked on antibiotics.

Read this: http://www.google.co.th/search?hl=th&q=chlamydia

Johnson994

10-05-05, 12:41

MarcoStraight

10-05-05, 18:35

i see. the last time i was checked i tested positive for gonorrhea but who knows by now? i have taken so many diffrent antibiotics that nothing works any more.

that's why you should have taken a double treatment for both clamydia and gonorrhea anyway. like coma said the big problem of clamydia is that sometime is asymptomatic .in case you don't have symptoms the only way to find out if you get clamydia is the urethral swab test and a blood test.despite clamydia is not a virus it produces antibodies (igg,igm).for the first time vd's catcher (not my case) calmydia will show itself with symptoms like light swab (in the morning) , hitching sensation in the urethra and burning when [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111).best antibiotics for killing clamydia belong to macrolides family : erythromycin,azythromycin,iosamycin,roxithromicin.....commercial brand name : zythromax,erythrocyn,iosalide,rulid,etc....
dosage : 600 mg. on empty stomach every 6 hours for 2 weeks and you will kill clamydia straight away !! i know it very well, trust me.

Coma Boy

10-05-05, 18:48

Dosage: 600 mg. on empty stomach every 6 hours for 2 weeks and you will kill Clamydia straight away!! I know it very well, trust me.That'd kill it for sure, but perhaps a bit excessive, you'd probably puke dropping that much into any empty tummy.

Better off with 100MG Doxy, twice a day, after meals, for 7-10 days.

But, even better off, going to the doctor instead of listening to Marco and myself, despite our brilliance.

To be honest, those guys who bareback regularly are asking for trouble. But it isn't them I pity, it's the poor girls that they go with. What they are giving to the girls is far more disturbing than what they may catch from the girls.

I'd imagine that a lot of barebackers also do so because it is already too late, and they have nothing left to lose (which kind of makes them murderers).

I know several ex-hookers who learnt the hard way- the very hard way.

MarcoStraight

10-05-05, 23:34

I know several ex-hookers who learnt the hard way- the very hard way.

That's another reason avoiding madness.I Never , ever hit something without protection since very long time.

Sajer Guy

10-11-05, 12:44

For as much talk that gogo girls are safer than SWs or beerbar girls I am not especially inpressed with their desire to use condoms. My friend had three instances and I had one on the last trip where the gogo girls didn't plan to use condoms. We insisted on it, but there are plenty of guys who don't have that self-control and would go in anyway. The blood tests of the gogo girls would hopefully pick up an HIV case, but after weeks or months have elapsed. Who knows how many more guys she would bareback with.

Sajer

RCA Knight

10-14-05, 22:54

Horatio

10-14-05, 23:59

I heard erectile disfunction or impotence is the signal for heart disease. I am still in mid 30's, but I have so much erection problems in recent years. Now I can only get up 50% or less of the times. Or sometimes I will get erection but by the time I insert it into a woman it shrinks again. I do not have any psychological problem or any stress problem. I still get horny all the time but my son doesn't perform all the time. Is this a possible indication of heart disease?

This seems like an odd place to ask for information on this subject. If you are worried why dont you see your doctor? I would think it would be worth the money to find out.

How can you really determine that you do not have psychological problems? You could be loony as a toon and the loonieness masks the awareness that you are loony.

Best of luck to you and your son.
Horatio

Firedick

10-17-05, 07:01

You are correct that impotence can be a sign of cardiac problems. Afterall, Viagra's famous affect was an accidental discovery while testing as a heart med. A check up might be good for your piece of mind, which might also help your "son".

"Ditto" on the good luck.

FD

Duniawala

10-17-05, 14:01

RCA

You should get checked up fast. It could be a side effect of diabetes also.

Good luck

Dinghy

10-17-05, 20:06

RCA - and if you are a bit overweight and thirsty all the time, it is also a possible sign of diabetes (mostly the thirst - the weight is the precursor).

One of the main issues with diabetes is the deterioration of blood vessels to the legs and eyes and many undiagnosed diabetics die from resultant circulatory heart problems.

You aren't describing having libido problems - just physical "issues". A blood test is quick and cheap. GO TALK TO A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL If you are in Thailand, the test won't cost more than maybe 400B and probably not that much

Slim72

10-17-05, 23:11

Kilmarnock

10-18-05, 17:52

Hi guys,

I have a couple of questions:

Using a condom and assuming it doesn't brake, am I 100% safe of getting HIV and other diseases?

I'm also thinking of situations like when I am actually removing the condom, my hands will of course touch the condom and whatever tiny trace of blood might be on it, and I might touch a part of my body where I might have a small wound or scratch. Would this be enough to be in the risk zone?

Does anybody know what the statistics say about a guy getting HIV from a girl during normal intercourse? I've heard that it is very low chance of getting HIV as a guy just thru normal intercourse.

I'm going to thailand soon and I have been reading on this forum for quite a while now, and as I'm single and traveling alone I'm up for all kinds of adventures by night - except if it includes the slightest chance of getting infected.

I might be paranoid and too concered about my health - true or not I always get infected by all kinds of viruses - if someone at work is sick, I probably will get the same thing he/she has a couple of days later. That is - my immune system is probably not very good!

As you can guess I have very little experience with prostitutes, mainly because of these concerns.

SlimMate,

I do not think you are being paranoid. The risks are there. Anyone who plays the P4P game would be kidding himself if he did not acknowledge the risks.

If you are concerned, there are plenty of places where you can get an oily massage and HJ only.

Condoms? I have had them break. It happens, and can be damned scary.

Odds getting HIV when a condom does not break? Slim, but still possible.

One last option is the Thai Red Cross Anonymous Clinic just off Lumpini park and Soi Sarasin. HIV tests there with results in 20 minutes. You could bring a girl there if someting were to go wrong, or even before. At least you would know that she is HIV - (assuming this is the case). But of course the incubation period is 90 days, so you would only know her HIV history up until the 90 days you brought her there with you.

The Traveler

10-18-05, 23:21

Slim72,

if you are worried that your condom might break then use some lubricant.
Friction is the dead off every condom, so put some lubricant on your best part and lots of it on the condom. That way the condom won't break even if you fuck for hours (already tested :))

PosterLion

10-19-05, 02:10

RCA,

Being that I am a certified lunatic that has lost his certification documents, maybe I can help you in diagnosing your problem.

Go out and buy yourself some porn or dig some old porn out of your closet. Once you've got the new or old porn in hand, take a gander at it while Spanking-Your-Monkey (masturbating) with the other hand. If you can spank your way to a fully erect orgasm then your erection problem is psychological.

The moral of the story can be stated thusly: an orgasm in hand is better than none in the bush, but at the same time (at least for most of us), the one in the bush can be gotten once all else is forgotten.

poster

P.S. I advise you to heed the advice given by others and get your blood checked. Not only can a blood analysis diagnose diabeties, it can identify liver problems, HIV, and a plethora of other physical problems.

And on a side note, many times after hearing the Doc say, "All system are operating at spec", many people stop having the symptons they thought they were having in the first place. Or put another way, being aware of (factual) reality goes a long way toward dispelling rumors, myths, ghosts, and many other nonexistent supernatural anomalies.

RCA Knight

10-19-05, 16:22

Firedick

10-19-05, 22:43

Has anyone experience this "bored of pay money sex syndrome" in Thailand?? and your son started not to react to these hookers anymore??

Absolutely. On this last trip. If I wasn't hang'n with fellow ISG mongers like 1ball and Traveler (and was it Taz Marine?), I was bored outta my head. Spent more nights in my room with good take out food and bad TV than bar hopping.

I will go back to BNK for dental work, but for mongering, it's time for me to find some new places.

FD

1Ball

10-19-05, 22:53

I have to agree with FD and RCA on this one. The fun part, for me at least is looking for Miss Right Now. The actual act, I have found, is becoming more and more mechanical impersonal, and dull. I used to DFK, and DATY, but no more. So it pretty much boils down to BJ, slide on the raincoat, and start pumping. After 90 minutes or so of banging away, I feel like turning on CNN. :D
So, what to do about it ?

Moore2003

10-31-05, 03:03

Hello everyone on this forum,

First of all, let me thany you all for your advices. It is educational for newbies like me. I have one question for you all. I am kind a guy who like to lick and suck pussies but after reading all this safe sex reports I am wondering whether is it safe thing to do in Thailand. I am planing to visit to Pattaya in early of next year for first time, I would really appreciate your inputs.

Thanks

Coma Boy

10-31-05, 09:00

I am kind a guy who like to lick and suck pussies but after reading all this safe sex reports I am wondering whether is it safe thing to do in Thailand.I've eaten about a billion pussies and assholes, and have never caught anything worse than that-weird-coating-your-mouth-gets that can be cured with Listerine. I've always assumed it was from eating yeast-infected pussies.

Apparently Gonorrhea of the throat is possible, as I've often been throat-swabbed to check for it.

Maa Paa

10-31-05, 10:53

Thanks for all the advices on erectile disfunction. I tried the masterbation method. And I discovered that I can get up almost all the times by hand job myself and achieve ejaculation. And also I forgot to mention in last post that I can always get erect from some to full extend when sex with several of my steady non-pro girls that I do not use condom with.

I will check out my blood pressure and blood analysis to make sure. I am 182cm and always in range 68-71 kilos, quite thin. I start to wonder if I am just too bored of having sex with all these Thai hookers with all the condoms and no kissing and without any emotional excitement for all these years.

Has anyone experience this "bored of pay money sex syndrome" in Thailand?
and your son started not to react to these hookers anymore??Yes, I have. Reading your post I thought: Oh man, who is writing about my private, personal experiences?

Exact all the things you are writing about happend to me before. I have been to Thailand more than 10x before and sometimes I was bored about the behavior of most of the bargirls, about: "Hello, handsome man, sit down, come inside me" and so on and on. Getting laid with one of them in my room or a shorttime place there was no personal emotion coming from her. Most of them are just doing their business. I can't get angry about that but me and my friend between my legs are missing something. And so it happened that my friend could not do what I came for.

Some hours later, staying alone, I erected him by myself and everything worked (but without a girl staying with me).

Today I'm leaving for Thld. and I'm wondering what will happen to me this time.

Maa Paa

Member #2041

10-31-05, 18:49

Maa Paa, I can definitely relate. But for me, 10mg of Levitra solves the problem completely. I don't need it for non P4P sex, especially with someone I trust enough to not use a Condom - I never have this issue. And I don't need it when I use my own right hand. But when I P4P with a raincoat on, Junior often doesn't get excited enough on his own. Levitra cures this completely for me.

Firedick

10-31-05, 19:34

I agree with Coma. I, too, enjoy "chowing down" and have for years throughout SE Asia. I've never had anything orally. Take the advice from our self appointed "do gooders" and alarmists with a grain of salt. I am not opposed to safe sex, but sometimes the rantings here would lead you to believe that if you leave your hotel without a condom on you're gonna die ! Relax and have fun (with some common sense).

FD

Angel Eyes

11-01-05, 04:18

Today I'm leaving for Thld. and I'm wondering what will happen to me this time.

Maa Paa

Although I can't say I experienced the same feeling, I did get somewhat close to it, and it scared me...

However, the last 3 bar / go-go girls I've been with, last trip, simply said, gave me the feeling they liked me. So there was none of the no-kissing thing.

Actually, one of them seemed to be not very exited in bed, which is why I won't look for her again. But with the other two, it was fun in and out of the sack.

What I'm saying, basically, is look for a girl that likes you. It might be hard, given the amount of acting lessons some of them take ;-) but it's worth it!

Long91

11-01-05, 04:38

I've eaten about a billion pussies and assholes
Now That's tellin it like it is!

Seydlitz

11-01-05, 13:38

Take the advice from our self appointed "do gooders" and alarmists with a grain of salt. I am not opposed to safe sex, but sometimes the rantings here would lead you to believe that if you leave your hotel without a condom on you're gonna die ! Relax and have fun (with some common sense).
FD

In this time and age people have a tough time dealing with the very concept of risk. There is risk in everything we do (walking, driving, eating, etc.) but we hate the idea of taking a risk.

Is there a risk in engaging in intercourse with a promiscuous Thai lady? Of course there is. Is the risk high? Depends.

There are three areas of sex-related risk: pregnancy, STD and HIV. All three can be drastically reduced to the point of becoming negligible by practising safe sex (as in using condoms sensibly). Oral practices are generally considered as low risk behavior.

Risk management means also selecting the P4P TG to reduce the risk. A young lady fresh from the farm will be a much lower risk factor than a zombie from Beach Road in Pattaya.

Like others reported, in 15 years of mongering in Thailand I have never caught anything harmful, although it is true that in recent years I have reduced my sex-related activity in LOS more than I wanted.

I believe that if you are healthy yourself, pick visibly healthy sex partners and exercise some level of common sense in risk management, you can reduce the risk inherent to our hobby to very manageable levels.

Anon Sailor

11-01-05, 17:46

It’s called oral-pharyngeal gonorrhea, and usually denotes a strong strain.

I've eaten about a billion pussies and assholes, and have never caught anything worse than that-weird-coating-your-mouth-gets that can be cured with Listerine. I've always assumed it was from eating yeast-infected pussies.

Apparently Gonorrhea of the throat is possible, as I've often been throat-swabbed to check for it.

Anon Sailor

11-01-05, 17:49

experiences, and it gets more pronounced as you get older. I prefer one that kisses and does the full GFE thing, always works for me. I’ve been lucky on my recent trips; I seem to find a nicely compatible gal….

Yes, I have. Reading your post I thought: Oh man, who is writing about my private, personal experiences?

Exact all the things you are writing about happend to me before. I have been to Thailand more than 10x before and sometimes I was bored about the behavior of most of the bargirls, about: "Hello, handsome man, sit down, come inside me" and so on and on. Getting laid with one of them in my room or a shorttime place there was no personal emotion coming from her. Most of them are just doing their business. I can't get angry about that but me and my friend between my legs are missing something. And so it happened that my friend could not do what I came for.

Some hours later, staying alone, I erected him by myself and everything worked (but without a girl staying with me).

Today I'm leaving for Thld. and I'm wondering what will happen to me this time.

Maa Paa

Coma Boy

11-01-05, 18:02

It’s called oral-pharyngeal gonorrhea, and usually denotes a strong strain.It sounds particularly unpleasant.

I've never caught Gonorrhea in any form, yet a friend of mine has had it twice in the last two months, plus once in the throat.

Firedick

11-01-05, 19:21

No doubt it's possible to catch a whole host of nasties. I love riding motorcycles. Am I going to give it up cause it's inherently dangerous ? No. We make our choices and accept the consequenses. That's what adults do.

FD

Catmonger

11-06-05, 01:36

Can you get generic Viagra -Penegra, Kamagra, and Caeverta- from any pharmacy on Sukhumvit around Nana and Soi Cowboy? I'm concerned about using the www.rx-mex.net from the land of the free.

Kaki

11-06-05, 20:37

Guys,

I have a funny feeling when I am readng through the posts here which I shall explain why. I was at LOS about 1.5 month ago with a Thai WL. She is healthy looking, petite and her pussy has no foul smell what so ever. Out we went for a night out at some disco and once we reach my room, in the midst of sexual excitement and presence of alcohol, we did it bare.

After about 3 weeks I beginning to experience the classic symptoms of Chlamydia, and my full STD report confirms it. Now this is a rather easy to clear STD: a 1-day dose of Zithromax, also the symptoms are not that nasty. I just got it cleared about a week ago.

I have been mongering for about 5 years now and never have I gotten anything from eating pussy, BBBJ and FK. I am quite certain I got it from her cause she was my only partner for the last 2 months and did it bare too. She is about 25 and has been in the business for about 2 years.

My points here are:
- Just because the TG looks younger, clean and healthy and does not smell, I would not put my money on her NOT carrying any STD. In fact, Hepatitis A and B, which are not STD per se, are more infectious than HIV and some other STD. (Chlamydia is more of a STD cause the germs live in semen fluid and vaginal fluid, thus it is usually transferred during non protected intercourse and not just kissing.)

- For my part I do think oral sex (DATY, BJ, FK...) has lower STD risk factor.

- As cliche as it gets, guys, wear your condom! :)

- Lastly, clean up thoroughly before and after every battle! (Advice from my Chlamydia doctor :D)

Kick ass and be cool,
Kaki (Legs in Malay)

Traveler1234

11-06-05, 20:45

Guys,

I have a funny feeling when I am readng through the posts here which I shall explain why. I was at LOS about 1.5 month ago with a Thai WL. She is healthy looking, petite and her pussy has no foul smell what so ever. Out we went for a night out at some disco and once we reach my room, in the midst of sexual excitement and presence of alcohol, we did it bare.

My points here are:
- Just because the TG looks younger, clean and healthy and does not smell, I would not put my money on her NOT carrying any STD. In fact, Hepatitis A and B, which are not STD per se, are more infectious than HIV and some other STI. (Almost all Chlamydia cases are thorugh sexual contact, cause the germs live in semen fluid and vaginal fluid.)

- For my part I do think oral sex (DATY, BJ, FK...) has lower STD risk factor.

- As cliche as it gets, guys, wear your condom! :)

- Lastly, clean up thoroughly before and after every battle! (Advice from my Chlamydia doctor :D)

Kick ass and be cool,
Kaki (Legs in Malay)

Every monger should at the very least get both Hep B and Hep A vaccinations. Chances of getting both are higher than STD, whether you're covered or not. Eating out, french kissing are just very easy ways of transmission.

In the states and most Asian countries, hep b vaccine is given as a routine to all newborns. So why wouldn't you protect yourself?
As a life long carrier of hep B (pre-natal transmission), take my word for it - you don't want to contract either!

Kaki

11-06-05, 20:54

Every monger should at the very least get both Hep B and Hep A vaccinations. Chances of getting both are higher than STD, whether you're covered or not. Eating out, french kissing are just very easy ways of transmission.

In the states and most Asian countries, hep b vaccine is given as a routine to all newborns. So why wouldn't you protect yourself?
As a life long carrier of hep B (pre-natal transmission), take my word for it - you don't want to contract either!

Traveler1234 is spot on.

These are not really STD per se as I have said, and it is 100 times easier to contract than HIV. Unfortunately I was not jabbed with these 2 vaccines although I am asian...so I just pay for them. Hehe.

Kaki

Deep Diver

11-08-05, 07:54

Big Kev

11-08-05, 10:03

OK I had a friend who just came back from thailand and told me that this story happened to him and It sounds a bit strange to me so I would like some input as to if this was real or not.

My friend picked this SW up outside a local bar and took her back to his room for some nightly fun via a resteraunt. They both had some food and something to drink. He got back to the hotel and about 10 minutes into the event he felt a bit drained ( no pun here guys ), next thing he knew it was 14 hours later and he was about 1000 usd lighter.

One of his friends told him that he had been ruffied and rolled.

Now I have not heard this happeneing in thailand and I am not sure that he is just saying this because he spent too much money and is ashamed to say so after a week there or its true.

his friend told him that it happens regularly and that ruffies are available over the counter, which seems a bit strange to me but hey thats why I am here cause I dont know and I am asking you guys.
your comments?? ......Sounds very much like something that happened to me last summer. Too much to drink and already had fun with short-timer from Soi Zero. Around 2 in the morning decided to check out Nana parking lot. Brought two back to room at Majestic Grande Hotel. Showers, beers, a little fooling around. Next thing I know it is 6 pm the next day (actually I guess the same day -- but was 16 hours later), alone in hotel, camera gone, jewelry gone, 2,000 in US travelers checks gone. Wallet with US$ and Thai baht untouched for some reason, and I was able to get travelers checks replaced. Big, big bummer, but could have been worse.

Coma Boy

11-08-05, 10:11

Now I have not heard this happeneing in Thailand...It happens all the time. And not just in TH, all over SE-Asia.

Yi Ren

11-08-05, 12:05

It happens all the time. And not just in TH, all over SE-Asia.

It's not the first I've heard of it either - and as you say, Coma, not just in LOS.

Exactly why I do not carry with me excess cash. When in hotels, I lock the balance in the safe; when here at home (BKK), have locking drawers where I keep cash, cameras, etc.

But sorry to hear of another episode....

Coma Boy

11-08-05, 16:02

The only time someone attempted to drug me it just gave me an intense and very weird high.

I stayed conscious through the sex, had the girl leave, and then for some reason wandered the streets in a daze and somehow arrived back home and passed out. Felt very strange for the next 24 hours.

I guess it is a good idea to practice taking such drugs recreationally so as to build up a slight immunity.

Freeler

11-08-05, 18:48

Coma,

"I guess it is a good idea to practice taking such drugs recreationally so as to build up a slight immunity."

:D!

Deep Diver,

Was 'your friend' also taken for a ride by some guys who claimed they knew where to play a cardgame with nuttin' but gain?

Dinghy

11-08-05, 19:06

ah, yes, "safety" from a "short term perspective"

(cb - this is not intended at you, just responding to the "premise")

as to robbery - personally, i use a motion sensitive 120db computer theft alarm that would wake the entire floor so someone would notice what was happening (aside from the fact that i also put "cash" into the lockbox - so it's safe there)

i don't quite understand some folks - if you have concerns about drugging, you don't drink anything you haven't opened then you drink it all and another party never gets their hands on it. (particularly important when dealing with 3-somes) it's either that or have her take a drink first (find some simple excuse to offer it to her. if she won't drink it - caveat emptor). i seem to recall some discussion long ago and far away about rohyphenol (the "date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drug" - the "mickey finn" - might have munged the spelling) on tits where you would get a knockout dose when you licked (easily cured, of course, by "ap-nam duay" - make sure you well wash anything you want to lick)

too much thinking with the "little head" - and as to the guy who got "rolled" for the 40000b ($1000us) why was he so stupid as to be toting that much cash anyway? undoubtedly, he was also dealing with a beach road lady (no contact info, no work location, no longer in pattaya after departure (at least for the following month or so)) if i get rolled, they will get at most 3000b (mostly in small bills - that's the most i tote at one time, usually less) plus my cyber-dictionary (if they want it), maybe my laptop if i am carrying it and didn't lock it up (yeah, it's the potentially "expensive" loss, maybe $750 us) and whatever clothes they want to carry (assuming they get by the audio alarm and hit the "clean" bag instead of the "laundry" bag) of course, i doubt that most would wnat anything "large" - it makes them too "obvious". another option is to take a picture of her and her id and then lock up the camera - at least then there would be a "starting point".

at least it doesn't happen that frequently. (or in any event isn't reported that frequently)

Wilpower

11-10-05, 03:32

This Soi 33 BG can be found at The Office. She has herpes and claims she takes holiday when she is in outbreak, which is false. She speaks perfect English and has many sending her money. Someone on this site could be the next victim. Just warning fellow mongers. Peace.

007sam

11-12-05, 07:05

Seydlitz

11-13-05, 15:32

13/11/2005 12:02:50 PM
( Source: Reuters)
Man claims to have beaten HIV virus
LONDON (Reuters) - A man claimed on Sunday to be the first person to become clear of the HIV virus, which can lead to AIDS, after earlier testing positive for it.

This is interesting. An individual was tested positive for antibodies that are linked to HIV and later was tested negative. There are two ways to explain this.

a. This fortunate individual owns a body that has been able to eradicate singlehandedly not only the deadly virus for which there is no known cure, but also all trace of the antibodies to that virus that made him test positive in the first place.

b. The HIV tests are unreliable.

In science, the easiest explanation is often the best one. In all fairness, if the second test had been run consecutively rather than after a long time, this would have been called a "false positive" and the lucky guy would hav been told he was OK right away.

The real problem with accepting that the tests are unreliable is that those possibly worthless tests are the only reason why people are diagnosed HIV positive and submitted to dreadful drug cocktails that are likely to destroy one's immune system as effectively as HIV itself is supposed to do it. This is called AIDS by prescription.

There is definitely something fishy about the whole AIDS theory.