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Seydlitz,
So 20 million (source: Elsevier) aids deaths in Lesotho, Zimbabwe, Cambodia and other extremely poor countries were all caused by very expensive 'dreadful drug cocktails'?
You are kidding, right:(?
You are totally right. Deaths in the Third World cannot be attibuted to tritherapies atc. But AIDS in the Third World is a different thing than in the rich countries, if only in definitions. My comment was appropriate only for us rich boys.
In the US, you need two Elisa and one WB test positive to be HIV positive. In the Third World as per the WHO definition agreed upon at the Bangui Conference, no need for tests; you only need clinical symptoms (fever, dysenteria, etc.). Unfortunately these symptoms are regrettably common in Africa and elsewhere.
It is likely though that if tests were administered to African patients many too would turn positivee, but that would not mean much since their bodies are loaded with antibodies for hosts of tropical diseases.
My point here is not that AIDS does not exist nor that HIV causes it , just that the antibody tests are non-specific, and therefore unreliable. Let's not turn this into an AIDS debate, just one on the tests.
As a matter of considerable surprise for most people, AIDS in Africa is a different thing since it is non-gender specific (50% male and 50% female victims), while AIDS in the US and Europe never broke out to the general population and remains confined to the initial risk groups. I am talking of AIDS cases, not HIV infections.
This is interesting. An individual was tested positive for antibodies that are linked to HIV and later was tested negative. There are two ways to explain this.
a. This fortunate individual owns a body that has been able to eradicate singlehandedly not only the deadly virus for which there is no known cure, but also all trace of the antibodies to that virus that made him test positive in the first place.
b. The HIV tests are unreliable.
In science, the easiest explanation is often the best one. In all fairness, if the second test had been run consecutively rather than after a long time, this would have been called a "false positive" and the lucky guy would hav been told he was OK right away.
The real problem with accepting that the tests are unreliable is that those possibly worthless tests are the only reason why people are diagnosed HIV positive and submitted to dreadful drug cocktails that are likely to destroy one's immune system as effectively as HIV itself is supposed to do it. This is called AIDS by prescription.
There is definitely something fishy about the whole AIDS theory.
Yes, that’s interesting, but let’s not forget that this case was diagnosed by the British NHS, one of the most disorganised and inefficient health services in the industrialized world, so I find it hardly surprising.
Chances are the tests were flawed when he first tested positive and that went unnoticed by the NHS till one year later. There are a number of reasons why an HIV test can fail, especially in the NHS, where blunders abound.
Think of it this way: What is more likely: a blunder by the British NHS or that this Scottish guy has an immune system capable of destroying, for the first time in medical history, the HIV virus?
Few years ago there was a report about certain people in Africa (women, I believe) who tested positive for HIV antibodies but never got the disease itself. I forgot who published the report but I am sure googling will find it.
Duniawalla,
Yeah, hookers in Kenya.
Guess why that story died...:(
The Traveler
11-14-05, 21:55
Seydlitz, Freeler, Duni, Gladiator,
the ELISA test is usually used for AIDS/HIV tests. The ELISA is very sensitive but not very specific, therefore a positiv result doesn't necessarily mean to really have been infected with the HIV virus.
To verify the result a more specific test is made, which doesn't look for antibodies like the ELISA but for the DNS/DNA of the virus itself. If you test positiv this time you are definately infected.
The mentioned case refers to a British guy who tested postiv in May 2002. 14 months later he tested negative but he refused to show up again at the hospital for further tests.
BTW, the statement of the hospital that "they hadn't made any mistakes" at the first test is just a result of the interference of the guys lawyers. This guy tried to sue the hospital for false testing. Only after that attempt the hospital ensured everybody that their first test was ok.
Regarding African women (mostly from Kenya) who had unprotected sex with HIV infected men and didn't got infected :
Doctors believe that a gene - which was detected in the mid 90's - for a protein named CCRS might be responsible for it. The HIV virus needs this protein to enter a human body cell. People who carry a modified version of this molecule seem to have at least a limited protection against HIV.
Traveler,
As far as I understand, the ELISA test (patented by the very same Dr. Gallo who "discovered AIDS if I remember well) is administered first. If negative, you are OK. If positive, you get a second ELISA. If negative, you are OK. That is a "false positive. If positive, you get a Western Blot test. If negative, you are OK, false positie again, if you are positive, then you are HIV-positive.
The WB test is an antibody test too, but more sensitive. This is a cut and paste of http://www.msichicago.org/ed/AIDS/hivtst3.htm.
"The problem is that some proteins found in HIV are similar to proteins found in other infectious agents. As a result, just because something in the serum binds to a protein from HIV does not necessarily mean that HIV is present. For this reason, the Western Blot is more accurate than the ELISA test because it can indicate what, exactly, is binding to what. However, the ELISA test is easier and less expensive and can detect infection earlier. In combination, the two tests make a good team."
And also:
"In this [the WB] test, the proteins of HIV are laid out vertically, from largest to smallest, on a strip of film. Serum is added and any existing HIV antibodies will bind to the HIV antigens. A detection enzyme is then added, which latches on to the antibodies. Finally, a chemical is added that changes color when it comes into contact with the protein-antibody-enzyme layers. This multi-layer process is similar to that of the ELISA test. However, the final result is a unique series of shaded bands.
Interpretation of the Western Blot can be complicated, but a good rule of thumb is the "3 band rule": If three or more bands appear, there is solid evidence that antibodies to HIV have been detected. If one or two bands appear, the test is considered indeterminate. If a patient with an indeterminate test has engaged in high risk behavior, another test should be conducted in six months."
I am only aware of one other test that is conducted, the so called viral load test (the PCR test by Roche for example), but that is mostly for people who are diagnosed with AIDS, in order to monitor the progress of their current treatment. There are two kinds of viral load tests (PCR and bDNA). They both measure the amount of HIV RNA in a sample. (RNA being the "blueprint" that HIV uses to make more virus.) When comparing viral load test results to determine a trend, the same type of test must be used each time.
This is all high level bioscience, but as far as I read in various places, unfortunately the HIV virus has never really been fully isolated, and cannot be cultured in vitro to this day. The best work done in hat area was by Gallo's team in the early days, and they had to mix samples serums from several people to get a result that would be useable.
In all logic, in the absence of a true "golden standard", ie. a pure form of the virus that satisfies Koch's 3 postulates, there can be no test that is specific (ie detecting that virus and only that virus), and therefore no reliable test, be it one testing for antibodies, or even one testing for the RNA of the virus.
And then of course that does not help the debate about whether HIV truly exists (there are lots of retroviruses after all, all harmless to us except that one), and whether it can actually produce AIDS, alone or together with something else (a more and more attractive proposition).
It is allright to stick to the official gospel, but if you have an open and curious mind, you start reading, and thinking by yourself, and then it does not seem to add up so well. Nothing seems so sure, and a lot of things seem weird.
The Traveler
11-14-05, 23:29
Seydlitz,
absolutely correct.
ELISA is used for other kinds of tests as well. It can be "trimmed" for other kinds of infections. It is extremely sensitive but not very specific, just as you say. The more specific test is not always made with the WB, sometimes other tests are used which discover some strains of the DNA/DNS of the virus itself, not just the antibodies. But if the WB is used it is exactly as you say.
I don't want to discuss if HIV exists or not. I find that discussion very stupid. The millions of dead people should be prove enough, at least they are for me. I guess some people are just looking for an excuse to keep going with their risky behaviour. Sex is one of these things were people and their behaviour are merely driven by emotions than by a rational diagnosis. If guys have a prob with condoms (some have and can't get a hard on due to lack of sensitivity) they look for an excuse or try to lie to themselves. I prefer to be rather "safe than sorry".
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11-22-05, 04:45
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Hi,
Just came home from Thailand and before the trip I thought I wouldn't go with a prostitute down there.
But things turned out differently.
I'm freaked out about getting HIV, but when drunk I obviously don't think about that.
I met one girl in Koh Samui, she was 28 and spoke some english. After turning down offers from all beatiful girls down there for a week, this one was sitting alone and drinking a beer and looked bored. I was drunk and decided to cheer her up.
She did cheer up and we talked for 2 hours or so, and when the sun came up she asked me if I wanted to see her place.
Sure, I thought, and we went to her place, and t didn't take long before she started seducing me and well, we had sex.
For quite a time I may add, since I have a hard problem cumming when Im drunk.
We used protection, but not when she went down on me, and at some point she stuck her finger in my mouth, which she just had in her pussy.
There was no payment involved, she told me she wa bored and that she just wanted to sleep with someone for once who was young and fit.
I asked her how she earned money and she said she searched for farang boyfriends who could give her money.
Naive as I was, I didn't think she was a hooker before she told me that.Anyway, then she drove me back to my hotel.
Also in bangkok I met one girl late one night from cambodja who was 35. About the same story there. We talked for a while, and she came back with me to my hotel and we had sex. Protected of course, but when she went down on me she removed the comdom.
No payment involved here either a we hit it off very good and she probably thought I would stay longer (I left thailand the next day).
Now Im freaked out about getting HIV. I've read 1 million ppl out of what, 60 million, has HIV in Thailand.
Don't even want to think of what the stats says about Cambodja...
I asked the last girl if she had any diseases I should know about and she laughed and said "no, just got tested. Get tested every 3 months".
Of course, she may have lied.
The first girl however, I didn't ask.
Seeing all ppl here reporting having had sex with many many thaigirls without catching anything untreatable has calmed my mind a bit, and I dont have any symptoms (yet) of having anything, except being jetlagged and sunburned.
What do you guys think, am I overstressed about this or do you think I have made a serious mistake of letting them get down on me unprotected?
Slim
This Soi 33 BG can be found at The Office. She has herpes and claims she takes holiday when she is in outbreak, which is false. She speaks perfect English and has many sending her money. Someone on this site could be the next victim. Just warning fellow mongers. Peace.Here is a better picture of Kate.
Plenty of these young starlets have Herpes. Nowhere near as many as those with Chlamydia but still plenty.
The things to be aware of with Herpes are that you don't want to be around during outbreak time, and that it is just as easy to catch around your mouth as it is on your wiener.
When bar-girls want to turn off the lights, this isn't always due to repulsion or shyness. Let the buyer beware.
The Traveler
11-27-05, 21:27
Slim72,
calm down.
As far as I know the number of HIV infected people is much less than the number you mentioned. And the probability of contracting HIV through an uncovered BJ is not very big, even though it is above null.
Girls are usually more in danger than men. The surface of their vagina is much bigger as of your penis and it's more sensitive to injuries. Furthermore the virus load in saliva is muss less than in ejaculate and again the surface within the mouth is much bigger than of your penis and also more sensitive to injuries.
Don't get me wrong, I don't say that going unprotected bears a small risk - protect yourself and your partners - but no need to freak out.
What I do not understand is, if you are really so worried, why did you allow them to give you an unprotected BJ ?
Don't say you were drunk ! If you loose your self-control when being drunk then don't drink or at least not as much as you obviously did.
The Traveler
11-27-05, 21:29
007sam,
how do you know that she is a herpes carrier ?
Did you contracted it by her or do you only try to pay her back by outing her ?
Guess we all are quite grateful for such an info, but only if it's correct and not some sort of personal war.
007sam,
how do you know that she is a herpes carrier ?
Did you contracted it by her or do you only try to pay her back by outing her ?
Guess we all are quite grateful for such an info, but only if it's correct and not some sort of personal war.I have no reason to give anything but the facts, it is a 100% fact. I have no need to defend myself, just giving out the factual info.
RCA Knight
12-24-05, 16:08
i had a little skin peeling off from the shaft of the penis. i was thinking could it be some fungus or some allergy reaction to condom or the worst scenario std. but it was not obvious at all so left it for few weeks not taking any care of it.
some days ago i was eating at amari atrium so decided to make a visit to bangkok hospital in soi soonvijai. the hospital was so nice and modern and it was my first trip so i registered and all the receptionists can speak very good english. then a receptionist took me upstairs to see a docter. tuned out to be an older female dermatologist.
she looked at it for less than 10 seconds and concluded it was condom allergy and shows sign of eczema, no big deal. and prescribed some topical cream and some anti-allergy pills. that's it. cost was 1300 for 30 seconds of check up plus 10 little allergy pills and one small bottle of eczema cream that you can buy in drug store for 30 bahts and 15 bahts.
the only good thing about bangkok hospital is many cutie nurses walking around. and all of them speak good english. i remenbered i went to yanhee hospital last year for some root canal dental work and yanhee has so many cutie nurses that keep me going back even i finished my dental already and i had to find some other problems such as detox or facial cleasing ect to go back there just to chat around with all these cutie nurses. got a few numbers but did not turn into anything exciting. bangkok hospital too has nice high level cutie nurses. but in semitevij hospital, there are many cute young lady docters in the dental and dermatalogy departments that are over scale 8.
okay, about the cost. i have been to bunrumgrad, semitevij, payathai and now bangkok hospital, they are all really expensive. everytime way over 1000 bahts for a simple docter visit. i will never go again for small problems any more. i remember one time i went into chulalornkorn hospital, a public hospital, for some leg pain from over walking. only cost 120 bahts all together with medicine. and the chula hospital doctors can speak good english as well. i will stick to chula hospital for minor problems from now on.
by the way, if you are allergic to latex condom, always wash well after use to get rid of all the chemicals from the latex. then apply some moisture lotion to your penis to supply enough moisture to prevent over drying and flaking. then eczema can be avoided.
I posted a report with photo for those that
are latex intolerant or just don't like rubber.
Cheers
Traveler1234
12-24-05, 17:45
Okay, about the cost. I have been to Bunrumgrad, Semitevij, Payathai and now Bangkok Hospital, they are all really expensive. Everytime way over 1000 bahts for a simple docter visit. I will never go again for small problems any more. I remember one time I went into Chulalornkorn Hospital, a public hospital, for some leg pain from over walking. Only cost 120 bahts all together with medicine. And the Chula Hospital doctors can speak good English as well. I will stick to Chula Hospital for minor problems from now on.
Back in September, on my flight from HK to Bkk, a crown came loose and luckily I didn't swallow it. As soon as I landed, walked over to BP as I was staying at the Ascot on Soi 4 (gave me a chance to check out the action during the day time).
Up to the dental clinic, 5 minute wait, 30 minute session with dentist (middle age female, spoke excellent English) to clean and put back the crown. Total cost B$1,300....no way I could have gotten that done back in the states on such notice unless it happened on my home turf and with my own dentist.
Pleasantly surprised at level of service and low fees, IMHO.
Tamurlane26
12-25-05, 07:51
Here is an interesting conundrum and hope one of my more learned colleagues can assist.
I have to state am a lover of abalone and nothing gives me more pleasure than being able to enjoy a nice session of wandering my tongue in the nehter regions. However after this recent trip I may have to reconsider the wisdom of this.
Came down with a fever and passing it off as usual run of the mill left it for a few days. When I went to the doctor he informed me the tonsils were really inflamed and that had a bacterial throat infection. Normally a course of antimycillin(forgive the incorrect spelling) should have cleared this up. But one week later it is still hammering away.
One of my more witty friends then asked me if i had been going down on any nice young ladies as this could well be the source of the infection.
Any truth in this and does anyone know of a good cure to end this one ? More importantly how to avoid in the future. Once she has all soaped up there is no telling whether or not there is a bacteria lurking in the nether regions.
I look forward to your earnest support
Chalky,
That's a lotta words to say you've been eatin' pussy:)!
If your doctor gave you antimycin, then you apparently have a fungus.
Fungii are easy to get and next to impossible to get rid of. It will just keep on livin' in your throat and every now and then it will make its presence known - time for you to see the doctor.
The Traveler
12-26-05, 02:02
I have no reason to give anything but the facts, it is a 100% fact. I have no need to defend myself, just giving out the factual info.
Sam,
that's no answer to my question.
So please tell us, how do you know ?
Got infected by her or what else ?
Thanks
The Traveler
12-27-05, 23:07
007sam,
got it.
BTW, I didn't ask for any proof (and don't see your PM as proof either) just wanted to know how you knew about it.
Broken Condom!!
So while waiting for a cd to burn, I went into a massage parlour in Pattaya, found a cutie that massaged me. She upselled the boom boom for 1000, a little high but she was sooooo cute. 20 Yrs old.
As soon as she got the money tho, her attitude changed a little. For the worse. Anyway my dick was covered in Oil based lube and I rinsed it off because oil and condoms never go together.
COndom went on and she was happily pounding away. But after 10 secs something didnt feel right and I told her to get off. Condom had broken. I freaked out and ran to the bathroom and rinsed and scrubbed (Not hard) with shampoo and soap. She said she didnt have HIV. That was a little load off my mind.
I have been reading up on the risks, and the risks are low from what I have been reading and plus the short contact. But still listen up pplz.
BRING YOUR OWN CONDOMS AND LUBE!!!!!
ThaiVisitor
12-31-05, 11:03
Here is an interesting conundrum and hope one of my more learned colleagues can assist.
I have to state am a lover of abalone and nothing gives me more pleasure than being able to enjoy a nice session of wandering my tongue in the nehter regions. However after this recent trip I may have to reconsider the wisdom of this.
Came down with a fever and passing it off as usual run of the mill left it for a few days. When I went to the doctor he informed me the tonsils were really inflamed and that had a bacterial throat infection. Normally a course of antimycillin(forgive the incorrect spelling) should have cleared this up. But one week later it is still hammering away.
One of my more witty friends then asked me if i had been going down on any nice young ladies as this could well be the source of the infection.
Any truth in this and does anyone know of a good cure to end this one ? More importantly how to avoid in the future. Once she has all soaped up there is no telling whether or not there is a bacteria lurking in the nether regions.
I look forward to your earnest support
I'm allergic to penecillin so whenever I got any viral, fungal or bacterial infections, I take propolis, the more concentrated the better. It's a Bee product and is a natural antibiotic, and damn powerful too.
Cheers
Tee Vee
Fly for Thai
01-02-06, 02:52
Hi folks
I had some wear and tear issues during my last trip last April. I went to a local (Cincinnati) clinic to get tested about a week ago. Got HIV, Syphilis and Hepatitis tests. All negative. No worries. Keep it wrapped, use lube and shower before and after.
My Doc referred to sex with a sex worker if you use a condom as "pretty low risk".
Just a little something to put your mind to rest in case you are paranoid as I am.
Happy Hunting!
Traveler1234
01-02-06, 03:33
Hi folks
I had some wear and tear issues during my last trip last April. I went to a local (Cincinnati) clinic to get tested about a week ago. Got HIV, Syphilis and Hepatitis tests. All negative. No worries. Keep it wrapped, use lube and shower before and after.
My Doc referred to sex with a sex worker if you use a condom as "pretty low risk".
Just a little something to put your mind to rest in case you are paranoid as I am.
Happy Hunting!
Read my post on "Bangkok 2005 Reports" re hepatitis A and B.....be safe.
While fucking with a young (she said 19 yo) Thai girl (professional prostitute) taking her from the back my condom broke.
I realized it just when I came out, so I have been fucking her for about 2 minutes with my glandis in contact with her vagina and sexual fluid.
I immediately washed it carefully with plenty of soap and water, I pissed, and I watched and carefully examinated my penis: no any sign of little scares, or cuts, or wounds or red skin, the skin was normal as usual.
Supposing that the girl is 100% HIV positive.
What do you think is the risk of getting HIV?
What the risk to get other diseases?
Should I use any special cream or medicaments to prevent other diseases?
Thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge!
Actually I'm quite sure that, as all the skin of my penis was perfectly intact, there is no way HIV could have been transmitted to me, but who knows?
The Traveler
01-16-06, 23:40
While fucking with a young (she said 19 yo) Thai girl (professional prostitute) taking her from the back my condom broke.
Lorenz,
I strongly advise you to edit the first sentence or Domino will be after you endlessly for not checking her ID.
...
Supposing that the girl is 100% HIV positive
What do you think is the risk of getting HIV?
Should I use any special cream or medicaments to prevent other diseases?
The risk of transmitting HIV from a woman to a man is much smaller than vice versa, but it still exists. Who knows, maybe you got a lucky draw :(
Don't be too concerned, as long as there was no direct contact between any of her body fluids and your blood no need to worry. But remember, even if you haven't seen any scratches at your penis, there are always some microscopic ones, big enough for the virus to enter your body. On the other hand, a specific virus load is needed to get infected.
As far as I know there is some sort of medication which should be taken as soon as possible after the incident. It is some anti viral stuff to reduce any potential virus load to help your immune system, but I don't remember the name ((TAMIFLU ?). Best would be to visit a good hospital, any of the Bumrungrad for example, they should know.
Don't forget to make a HIV check in about 3 months to know for sure.
Black Boots
01-17-06, 16:51
Hi guys,
On my recent visit to Bangkok decided to have a check up for all parameters, had my check up done at Bumrngrad, should say the hospital is professional and good quality services.
Would recommend anyone in the need of medical assistance of all types.
Cheers,
Boots
Supposing that the girl is 100% HIV positive.
What do you think is the risk of getting HIV? What the risk to get other diseases? Should I use any special cream or medicaments to prevent other diseases?
The only truly effective remedy is deflowering a virgin at midnight on a full moon night while laying on a bed of freshly cut flowers.
Thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge!
You are most welcome :)
Seriously, you should not worry about HIV. Other STDs on the other hand are fairly easy to catch, and the cure to some is VERY unpleasant.
Incidentally, the remedy I suggested above is what the upper class in Victorian Britain actually believed would cure syphilis. Many were disappointed.
Tokyohomeboy
01-24-06, 14:32
Lorenz,
..As far as I know there is some sort of medication which should be taken as soon as possible after the incident. It is some anti viral stuff to reduce any potential virus load to help your immune system, but I don't remember the name ((TAMIFLU ?). Best would be to visit a good hospital, any of the Bumrungrad for example, they should know..It's not Tamiflu - that's for the regular flu or, now, birdflu. What needs to be taken are the same drug cocktails that an HIV+ person would take, as soon as possible after exposure. Bumrungrad should be able to help. If you're really worried, don't wait.
SCHOOLS
Chaturon okay with condom machine plan
SIRIKUL BUNNAG
The Education Ministry has no objection to the Public Health Ministry's plan to install condom-dispensing machines in schools, said Education Minister Chaturon Chaisaeng yesterday. The scheme had been proposed once before but a fierce outcry from conservatives forced the Public Health Ministry to back down.
The plan is being dusted off by health authorities who said it would help contain the spread of HIV/Aids and other sexually-transmitted diseases among youngsters.
Mr Chaturon yesterday said he has no objection to the plan, but suggested that, in light of public sensitivity, schools and universities should have the freedom to decide whether or not to allow condom-dispensing machines on their premises.
The institutions which agree to join the project must also work with the Public Health Ministry to organise sex education and HIV/Aids prevention programmes on their premises, he added.
Mr Chaturon said it is imperative that the two ministries work together to systematically promote the right value and perception about sex among the young.
'Young people must be made aware of the choice they have and of the proper path they should be taking,'' he stressed.
The education minister said the decision by academic institutions to join the scheme must not be profit-oriented. ''If that was the case, then the move would be no different from putting up condom dispensers in a hotel,'' Mr Chaturon said.
People who oppose the plan must try to see the gravity of the HIV/Aids situation in the country. Some of the measures launched to contain the HIV/Aids spread may be perceived as being unconventional and indiscreet on the surface, he said, ''but the question begging an answer is whether it is more acceptable to watch more and more young people get infected with Aids''.He said the issue was considered ''taboo'' in Thai society and thus always triggered a controversy whenever it was raised for public discussion
Will a guys gets any STD (aside from Herpes) when he did a licking spree on the Pussies of the *****s? Will appreciated your advises.Aside from Herpes it seems safe enough.
I've eaten a couple of thousand and the only thing I ever catch is some weird coating in the inside of my mouth, which either just goes away after 24 hours or can be banished with Listerine.
ThaiVisitor
02-05-06, 11:14
SYPHILIS
what is Syphilis
Syphilis is an STD caused by the bacteria Treponema pallidum. It's sometimes called the "great imitator" because early symptoms are so similar to other diseases. The disease proceeds through stages -- In primary syphilis, a chancre -- an open sore that's usually painless -- appears, most commonly on the genitals, usually 10-90 days after exposure. In secondary syphilis, a skin rash appears, on any part of the body, including palms of hands & soles of feet. In tertiary syphilis, the disease spreads to internal organs, where it can do serious damage. A pregnant woman can pass the disease on to her child. Having syphilis makes a person more susceptible to HIV. Early diagnosis is important because syphilis is readily treatable with antibiotics.
how to find out if you got it
To find out if you have syphilis the doctor must do a blood test. Syphilis is easily treated with penicillin. However, left untreated, syphilis is a deadly disease, and can kill a person years after infection. The first sign of syphilis is often a sore that doesn't hurt and that goes away even if you don't take any medicine. This sore is called a chancre. It usually appears on the penis, vagina, or rectum. Syphilis is most easily spread when someone has a chancre.
There is usually only one chancre, but sometimes there are more. The chancre is usually round. It often looks like several layers of skin are missing. Women who don't get treated for syphilis can give it to their unborn babies. Often these babies are born dead or have brain damage!
These are other signs of syphilis:
Losing patches of hair
Losing eyebrows
A rash on the body (anywhere on the body)
A rash on the bottom of the feet or the palms of the hands are another symptom of syphilis. You can not get syphilis by touching this rash, unless there are open sores.
Most men and women will go through a period of time when they don't have any signs of syphilis. They don't feel sick, BUT they still have syphilis. This can happen after the chancre has gone away, but before the rash appears. This can also happen after the rash goes away or their hair starts growing back.
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***********,
That's a nasty sore on your dick, bro. Better go see the doctor:).
ThaiVisitor
02-05-06, 11:18
GENITAL WARTS
What is it?
HPV is known by many names including venereal, anogenital, or genital warts, and condylomata acuminata. It is a viral infection of skin causing the growth of skin-colored, cauliflower-like masses of various sizes and shapes as shown by the arrows in this picture. (A tampon string is in place as she was menstruating at the time this photo was taken.) It has become very common over the last two decades infecting anywhere from 3% to 28% of the population.
Common Signs & Symptoms
Several weeks to months after being exposed to a sexual partner with HPV, these painless growths occur on damp or moist surfaces in either sex. Common locations include those pictured as well as around the anus. They often begin as tiny red spots and can grow quickly into cauliflower-like masses. Infection of a woman's cervix with certain strains of this virus can lead to cervical cancer. It is crucial, therefore, for all women who have this disease to have regular pap smears. (Actually, all women who are sexually active need to have regular pap smears to look for cervical problems.)
How's it Diagnosed?
Diagnosis is made when a physician sees the classic-shaped growths. If there is any question, a sample of the abnormal tissue (biopsy) can be taken and sent to the lab for microscopic analysis. Cervical HPV is diagnosed by taking a small sample of cervical cells with a popsicle-like stick (pap smear) and preparing this specimen on a slide for microscopic analysis.
How's it Treated?
Like most viral infections, there is no cure for Human Papillomavirus. Treatment consists of destroying the infected cells, but it often comes back due to infection of normal-appearing nearby skin. If left untreated, genital warts may go away on their own. One study showed that nearly 1/3 of all patients had spontaneous resolution of the growths.
For those not wanting to wait to see if they disappear on their own (e.g., most people), destruction of the abnormal cells can be done via a number of methods such as freezing the growths with liquid nitrogen, destroying the tissue with laser surgery, using a blistering agent (such as podophyllin - made from rain forest beetles), or burning them off with a potent acid (e.g., trichloracetic acid). A doctor trained in one of these techniques should be seen to prevent damaging the normal surrounding tissue.
A novel approach is to enhance ones own im***e system to fight off the genital warts. One such "im***e-enhancer" is a cream called imiquimod (Aldara). Imiquimod is currently available by a doctor's prescription only, but unlike the other treatments that require a health professional to apply, Aldara is applied by the patient themselves, in the privacy of their own home. The patient puts a small amount of the cream on the warts three times a week. Aldara is for the treatment of visible warts on the genitals and perianal area. It is not for treatment of cervical or intravaginal warts. Cervical or intravaginal warts are usually treated with freezing or by surgically removing the infected area.
How do I avoid Getting It (Prevention)?
Abstinence, and perhaps correct condom use may prevent transmission of this virus from one person to the next. It is crucial that all infected skin be covered to prevent skin to skin transmission. Since multiple areas of skin touch during intimate encounters, condom use is not terribly effective.
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ThaiVisitor
02-05-06, 11:24
PUBIC LICE
What are pubic lice?
Also called "crabs," pubic lice are parasitic insects found in the genital area of humans. Infection is common and found worldwide.
How did I get pubic lice?
Pubic lice are usually spread through sexual contact. Rarely, infestation can be spread through contact with an infested person's bed linens, towels, or clothes. A common misunderstanding is that infestation can be spread by sitting on a toilet seat. This isn't likely, since lice cannot live long away from a warm human body. Also, lice do not have feet designed to walk or hold onto smooth surfaces such as toilet seats.
Infection in a young child or teenager may indicate sexual activity or sexual abuse.
Where are pubic lice found?
Pubic lice are generally found in the genital area on pubic hair; but may occasionally be found on other coarse body hair, such as hair on the legs, armpits, mustache, beard, eyebrows, or eyelashes. Infestations of young children are usually on the eyebrows or eyelashes. Lice found on the head are not pubic lice; they are head lice.
Animals do not get or spread pubic lice.
What are the signs and symptoms of pubic lice?
Signs and symptoms of pubic lice include
Itching in the genital area
Visible nits (lice eggs) or crawling lice
What do pubic lice look like?
There are three stages in the life of a pubic louse: the nit, the nymph, and the adult.
Nit: Nits are pubic lice eggs. They are hard to see and are found firmly attached to the hair shaft.
They are about the size of the mark at the end of this arrow . They are oval and usually yellow to white. Nits take about 1 week to hatch.
Nymph: The nit hatches into a baby louse called a nymph. It looks like an adult pubic louse, but it is smaller. Nymphs mature into adults about 7 days after hatching. To live, the nymph must feed on blood.
Adult: The adult pubic louse is about the size of this circle and resembles a miniature crab when viewed through a strong magnifying glass. Pubic lice have six legs, but their two front legs are very large and look like the pincher claws of a crab; this is how they got the nickname "crabs." Pubic lice are tan to grayish-white in color. Females lay nits and are usually larger than males. To live, adult lice must feed on blood. If the louse falls off a person, it dies within 1-2 days.
How is a pubic lice infestation diagnosed?
A lice infestation is diagnosed by looking closely through pubic hair for nits, nymphs, or adults. It may be difficult to find nymph or adult; here are usually few of them and they can move quickly away from light. If crawling lice are not seen, finding nits confirms that a person is infested and should be treated. If you are unsure about infestation or if treatment is not successful, see a health care provider for a diagnosis.
How is a pubic lice infestation treated?
A lice-killing shampoo (also called a pediculicide) made of 1% permethrin or pyrethrin is recommended to treat pubic lice. These products are available without a prescription at your local drug store. Medication is generally very effective; apply the medication exactly as directed on the bottle. A prescription medication, called Lindane (1%) is available through your health care provider. Lindane is not recommended for pregnant or nursing women, or for children less than 2 years old.
Malathion* lotion 0.5% (Ovide*) is another prescription medication that is effective against pubic lice.
How to treat pubic lice infestations: (Note: see section below for treatment of eyelashes or eyebrows. The lice medications described in this section should not be used near the eyes.)
Wash the infested area; towel dry.
Thoroughly saturate hair with lice medication. If using permethrin or pyrethrins, leave medication on for 10 minutes; if using Lindane, only leave on for 4 minutes. Thoroughly rinse off medication with water. Dry off with a clean towel.
Following treatment, most nits will still be attached to hair shafts. Nits may be removed with fingernails.
Put on clean underwear and clothing after treatment.
To kill any lice or nits (attached to hairs) that may be left on clothing or bedding, machine-wash those washable items that the infested person used during the 2-3 days before treatment. Use the hot water cycle (130°F). Use the hot dryer cycle for at least 20 minutes.
Dry-clean clothing that is not washable.
Inform any sexual partners that they are at risk for infestation.
Do not have sex until treatment is complete.
Do not have sex with infected partners until partners have been treated and infestation has been cured.
Repeat treatment in 7-10 days if lice are still found.
To treat nits and lice found on eyebrows or eyelashes:
If only a few nits are found, it may be possible to remove live lice and nits with your fingernails or a nit comb.
If additional treatment is needed for pubic lice nits found on the eyelashes, applying an ophthalmic-grade petrolatum ointment (only available by prescription) to the eyelids twice a day for 10 days is effective. Vaseline* is a kind of petrolatum, but is likely to irritate the eyes if applied.
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ThaiVisitor
02-05-06, 11:28
chancroid
(kan-kroid) is also known as:
soft chancre
venereal sore
chancroid ( human genital ulcer disease) is an std caused by exposure to:
haemophilus ducreyi (a small gram-negative rod organism) which occurs mainly in developing countries, especially the african, asian and latin american nations.
infection from chancroid related to haemophilus ducreyi is decreasing in many areas but increasing in infections related to herpes simplex virus type-2 (hsv-2).
chancroid is a bacterial disease causing painful, irregularly shaped sores, but is a localized infection which can be treated and cured and has no long-term effects.
over 4,000 cases are reported annually occurring mainly in younger adults, although it can affect any age.
chancroid
the size can vary from 1-2 millimeters to several centimeters but is usually 1-2 centimeters in diameter.
the shape can be:
irregular
oval
round
unlike the chancre of syphilis:
the chancroid ulcer edge is soft
the ulcer changes shape when the edges are squeezed
symptoms
first signs of infection appear from 3-5 days and up to 2 weeks after contact, and usually a tender, raised bump develops where the bacteria entered the body:
inside/outside the vagina or rectum
occasionally on hands, thighs or mouth
on the penis
within 1-4 days the bump transforms into one or more shallow sores which break open and deepen, becoming:
filled with pus
inflamed
painful
ruptured
the next stage may persist for several weeks and may result in:
a painful open sore
purulent base of the ulcer
several lesions merging to form gigantic ulcers
in over half of the untreated cases the chancroid bacteria infects the lymph glands in the groin.
the lymph glands in the groin may
swell, creating a pus-filled bulge, known as a bubo
enlarge until they burst through the skin
drain continuously
remain open
become infected by other bacteria
may be firm or fluctuant
may rupture or ulcerate
the typical chancroid bubo:
appears about 1-2 weeks after the ulcer forms
is unilateral, spherical, and painful
in men
1-4 sores on the penis may develop
buboes appear in about 50% of male patients
the foreskin may swell
the ulcers usually are found in:
the prepuce near the frenulum
coronal sulcus
glans
rectal sores may:
bleed
cause pain when defecating
in women
buboes are uncommon in women
dyspareunia (painful sex)
dysuria (painful urination)
painless sores can develop on the cervix
several sores may develop around the vagina and rectum
vaginal discharge
the ulcers usually are found on the:
cervix
entrance of the vagina, particularly the fourchette
labia majora and minora
peri-anal area
rectal sores may:
bleed
cause pain when defecating
click here to view photos of chancroids
transmission
chancroid is transmitted through the skin by direct sexual contact with an infected individual through
anal sex
oral sex
vaginal sex
the infection is spread to other parts of the body by:
minor abrasions
physical contact
rubbing
scratching
other
an uncircumcised man is more likely to contract the disease than a circumcised man
any sexually active person can be infected with chancroid
if a person does not practice personal hygiene it is easier for the infection to be transmitted
it is more commonly seen in men than in women
risk factors
contact between scraped or broken infected skin increases the likelihood of transmission
ejaculation is not necessary for the infection to be spread
even if using a condom, sores may be present on areas not protected by the latex and can cause infection anywhere they contact receptive tissue
the bacteria are more likely to invade the sexual organs at the point of a pre-existing injury, such as a small cut or scratch
more outbreaks occur in:
drug users
people with other stds
prostitutes and their clients
re-infection can occur from:
minor abrasions
open wounds
the disease is not spread from person to person by casual contact such as:
clothing
door knobs
eating utensils
swimming pools
toilet seats
and
mothers do not pass it on to babies at birth
diagnosis
chancroid is usually diagnosed by:
culture or biopsy
gram stain
microscopic examination of a smear sample taken from the patient's sores
although the disease does not enter the bloodstream a blood sample is usually taken to check for the presence of other stds.
treatment
buboes may need to be drained with a needle under local anesthetic.
although treatment with antibiotics can cure the infection, strains are becoming more common that are resistant to:
ampicillin
chloramphenicol
penicillin,
tetracycline
conventional treatment
current treatment involves regular doses for up to two weeks of:
ciprofloxacin
erythromycin
trimethoprin
or a single dose of:
azithromycin
ceftriaxone
drug information
azithromycin (zithromax) is used to treat:
chlamydial and gonorrheal infections of the genital tract
mild to moderately severe infections caused by susceptible strains of microorganisms
contraindications
concurrent pimozide treatment (sudden death may occur)
hepatic impairment
hypersensitivity
interactions with other substances
decreased effects if taking:
aluminum antacids
magnesium antacids
increased toxicity of:
digoxin
theophylline
warfarin
if taking cyclosporine there is an increased risk of:
nephrotoxicity
neurotoxicity
side effects
bacterial or fungal overgrowth with prolonged use
cholestatic jaundice
may increase hepatic enzymes
site reactions can occur with iv route
caution
care should be used when dealing with patients:
who are debilitated
who are geriatric
who are hospitalized
with pneumonia
during pregnancy
it has not been established if it is safe for pregnant and lactating women
ceftriaxone (rocephin) is used to:
stop bacterial growth by binding to one or more penicillin-binding proteins
contraindications
erythromycin is used to treat patients allergic to:
cephalosporines
quinolones
contraindications
in liver disease
discontinue if the following occurs:
abdominal colic
fever
malaise
nausea
vomiting
ciprofloxacin (cipro) is a bactericidal antibiotic that is used to inhibit:
hypersensitivity
should not be used for children and adolescents under 18
interactions with other substances
dietary recommendations
include:
essential fatty acids, such as olive oil, nuts
fish and poultry
flax seed, (linseed) oil
fresh fruits and vegetables
organic foods where possible
plenty of fresh water ( drink as much as possible)
whole grains
avoid:
alcohol
carbonated beverages
dairy products
fruit juice
refined white flour, such as pasta, bread, desserts
sugar
nutritional supplements
proteolytic enzymes:
bromelain 400mg
wobenzyme n five tablets three to four times a day away from meals
and
vitamin c 1,000 mg three times a day with meals
zinc 30 mg daily
herbal treatment
goldenseal (hydrastis canadensis), strong infusion or poultice applied locally to sores
goldenseal (hydrastis)/vitamin a suppository
other treatments
warm sitz baths with several drops tea tree oil (melaleuca alternifolia) added
vaginal douche using one or both of the following herbs which have potent anti-microbial properties:
goldenseal (hydrastis canadensis)
oregon grape root (mahonia aqjuifolium
prevention
risk factors
douching or [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) after sex does not prevent stds
exposure of skin and mucus membranes with a high risk partner
if there are any signs or symptoms of chancroid abstain from sex until the infection is cured
help factors
carefully washing the genitals with antibacterial soap immediately after sex
limit one's sexual relationship to a single, uninfected partner
practice safe sex
use latex condoms or gloves put on before sex and disposed of responsibly immediately after sexual contact
other precautions
prognosis
chancroid does not seem to have any adverse effects on pregnancy or the fetus
complications
balanoposthitis, inflammation and partial loss of tissue, particularly of the glans, penis and prepuce, may occur
buboes may rupture taking months to heal completely
fistulous tracts, abnormal tube-like passages within the body tissues, may form
phimosis, tightness of the foreskin
scarring from extensive infection or from burst buboes may occur
untreated chancroid often results in ulcers occurring on the genitals, which can persist for weeks or months
risk factors
people with open chancroid sores are especially vulnerable to other stds
re-infection can occur immediately after cure as the body does not build up any natural resistance
in less than 10% of cases sores may return and these may be caused by:
it has been found that the genital ulcers of chancroid have:
been associated with the sexual transmission of the hiv virus
occurred as outbreaks in populations with a high incidence of hiv-1 infection.
cheers
tee vee :cool:
ThaiVisitor
02-05-06, 11:36
chlamydia
chlamydia is actually a group of different infections caused by different strains of the chlamydia bacterium:chlamydia pneumonia causes a type of walking pneumonia
chlamydia psittaci causes a type of pneumonia caused by birds
chlamydia trachomatis causes various sexually transmitted diseases
chlamydia trachomatis is currently one of the most common and widespread bacterial stds in the united states. it is estimated that more than 4 million people are infected each year. rates of chlamydia in the united states are highest in the west and midwest, with missouri having above average numbers.
symptoms
asymptomatic
it is called asymptomatic if there are no symptoms
in the beginning chlamydia may not make you feel anything so you may not even know you have it
it can just come and go
those who do notice that they have this infection will have certain symptoms for weeks or months, depending on the severity of the infection and whether treatment was undertaken early, or not at all. but, as it gets worse, you will begin to experience different symptoms
in pre-puberty girls
vaginal discharge and odor (vaginitis)
in post-puberty girls
discharge (off-white) and odor which comes from the cervix being infected
in women
chlamydia is often silent in women, with up to 90% of women asymptomatic. women can carry the bacteria for months or even years without knowing it. this makes screening very important.
symptoms can start to occur within 3 weeks after getting the infection and include the following:
constant lower abdominal pain
mild, milky or yellow mucus-like vaginal discharge
nausea and fever
pain during urination
pain during sexual intercourse
spotting between periods
chlamydia can also lead to:
cervicitis which is inflammation of the cervix.
5-13% of the women in the u.s. who get chlamydia get cervicitis.
salpingitis which is inflammation of the fallopian tubes
ectopic pregnancy
if a pregnant woman has chlamydia trachomatis the risk of an ectopic pregnancy is much higher. this is where the fetus does not grow in the womb but in the ectopic tubes.
chlamydia can silently linger for months without symptoms and the infection may move inside the body if it is not treated, where it may cause:
epidydimitis in men
pelvic inflammatory disease
pelvic inflammatory disease (pid) causes:
infertility
chronic pain
even death
in men
chlamydia causes something called non-specific urethritis (nsu) which can produce symptoms such as:
burning on urination (non-gonoccocal urethritis (ngu))
groin pain and swelling (epididymitis)
irritation around opening of the penis
mild, sticky, milky or mucus-like discharge from penis
pain when [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112)
swollen testes (which if not treated can lead to infertility)
testicular pain
symptoms may seem to "come and go"
in babies
1/4 of babies passing down the infected birth canal will get chlamydia pneumonia
1/2 of all babies born to infected women after delivery through the birth canal will develop chlamydial conjunctivitis (pink eye) a week after birth
in severe cases blindness may occur
the bacteria can be easily passed to the developing child within the uterus
the child may have respiratory diseases for a long time if not treated
other conditions
the infection can occur in the pharynx (throat) from oral-genital contact
the infection can be spread to the eyes causing inflammation of the lining of the eye (pink eye)
in tropical climates, a particular strain of c. trachomatis causes an std called lymphogranuloma venereum (lgv) which can get into the skin through tiny cuts.
after months or years it can spread to other lymph nodes causing:
genital problems
pain
proctitis (inflamed rectum)
skin breakdown (ulceration)
swelling
transmission
the bacteria causing the infection is transmitted by direct person-to-person contact through:
blood
passing it to a baby during birth
semen from the penis
touching eyes when infected
vaginal fluid
risk groups
babies (from infected mothers)
sexually active people, regardless of their sexual preference
sexually active teenagers (about 45%)
diagnosis
if you have certain symptoms or feel differently to how you normally feel and have been with an infected person, go to a doctor for confirmation.
chlamydial infection can be confused with gonorrhea because the symptoms of both diseases are similar and in some situations they occur together.
laboratory tests
a sample of the patient's genital secretions is tested in a laboratory using one of a wide variety of quick and inexpensive laboratory tests
culture
growing the organism in specialized tissue culture is one of the most definitive tests.
these tests are:
difficult to do
expensive
test results not available for 3-7 days
dna amplification
a process called dna amplification is used to detect the genes of the organisms in genital secretions ([CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109)). this method does not require an invasive sample, pelvic examination or swabbing of the penis
these tests are:
less expensive
more rapid
performed during a routine checkup
slightly less accurate
results available within 24 hours
amplicor chlamydia trachomatis test
recently, a new chlamydia test became available called amplicor chlamydia trachomatis test, which is carried out using:
a sample of a man's [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109)
a swab from a woman's cervix or urethra
results are available within 4 hours and not 3-7 days
prevention
due to lack of symptoms people who are infected with chlamydia may unknowingly infect their sex partners.
if you are sexually active, you can lower your risk by following these guidelines:
abstinence is the only way to be 100% sure of protection from chlamydia and other sexually transmitted diseases
drugs reduce your ability to make sensible decisions, such a:
becoming sexually intimate when drinking alcohol and/or taking drugs
condoms or diaphragms should be used during sexual intercourse:
anal
oral
vaginal
form a monogamous relationship
be tested before you have sex
both partners are faithful
limit your number of sexual partners
risk increases as number of partners increases
persons who have more than one sex partner, especially women under 25, should be tested regularly
regular check-ups for std's
do not wait for symptoms to appear
testing should be part of your regular examination
recommendations
annual screening of all sexually active females under 20 years of age
pregnant women should be tested
women with infection of the cervix should be tested
screening of women over 20 with one or more risk factors for chlamydia:
diaphragm contraception
lack of condom
multiple sex partners
new sex partner
[treatment
chlamydia can be in your body for a very long time unless treated with antibiotics. usually this consists of a 7-10 day treatment program.
a number of antibiotics are used to treat chlamydial infections including:
amoxicillin
azithromycin (one-day course)
doxycycline (seven day course) *
erythromycin *
tetracycline (some people are allergic to the drug)
ofloxacin
* able to be used during pregnancy
note
penicillin is not effective against chlamydial infections
the prescribed medication should be taken, even after symptoms disappear, until advised by your health practitioner
all sexual partners of a person with chlamydial infection need to be evaluated and treated to prevent re-infection.
cheers
tee vee :cool:
ThaiVisitor
02-05-06, 12:03
gonorrhea
gonorrhea gonococcal infection (clap, drip)
gonorrhea is:
an infection that is spread through sexual contact with another person
caused by a bacterium, neisseria gonorrhoeae
second only to chlamydial infections in the number of reported cases.
the gonorrhea germs are found in the mucous areas of the body:
genital tract
penis
rectum
throat
vagina
in women
the opening (cervix) to the womb (uterus) from the birth canal is the first place of infection
the disease can spread into the womb and fallopian tubes, resulting in pelvic inflammatory disease (pid) which can cause infertility in up to 10% of infected women and tubal (ectopic) pregnancy
risk groups
any person who is sexually active can be infected with gonorrhea
common among younger people, ages 15-30, who have multiple sex partners
increases in gonorrhea have been found among men who have sex with men
occurs more frequently in urban areas than in rural areas.
transmission
gonorrhea is spread
through sexual contact including:
penis to vagina (infection rate for males 30-50%, females 60-90%)
penis to mouth,
penis to rectum
mouth to vagina
from mother to child as the child passes through the birth canal during delivery causing:
eye infections
in children, usually due to sexual abuse it is found in the:
genital tract
mouth
rectum
other risk factors
an infected person can spread the infection to another area of their body by touching the infected area and transferring the excretions
clothing or wash cloths of infected people can spread the infection
symptoms
in men:
creamy or green, pus-like discharge from the penis
painful urination (burning sensation)
testicular pain
in women:
bleeding between periods
creamy or green, pus-like or bloody vaginal discharge
excessive bleeding during menstrual period
irritation of the vulva
lower abdominal pain
painful intercourse
painful urination (burning sensation)
rectal infection
throat infection
rectal infection:
constipation
creamy, pus-like discharge
itching
painful bowel movement with blood in [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113)
rectal bleeding
symptoms usually appear 2-7 days after infection in males, but it can sometimes take up to 30 days for symptoms to appear.
often there are no symptoms at all in:
10-15 % of men
80% of women
people with no symptoms are at risk of developing complications from gonorrhea and can unknowingly spread the infection.
from the time of infection gonorrhea can be spread and will continue to be spread until properly treated.
past infection does not make a person im***e to gonorrhea and previous infections with gonorrhea may allow complications to occur more rapidly and increase your risk of getting hiv.
long term complications
in men
epididymitis
an inflammation of the testicles that can cause sterility
in women
abscesses
ectopic pregnancy
a pregnancy outside of the uterus
pelvic inflammatory disease (pid)
an ascending infection that spreads from the vagina and cervix to the uterus and fallopian tubes, which can lead to sterility
perihepatitis
an infection around the liver
sterility
in newborns
gonorrhea can be transmitted to newborns.
diagnosis
many doctors prefer to use more than one test to increase the chance of an accurate diagnosis. there are three laboratory techniques usually used to diagnose gonorrhea:
staining biological samples
staining biological samples directly for the bacterium is carried out by placing on a slide a sample of the discharge from the penis or cervix and staining it with a dye
the doctor can usually give you the test results during the consultation
this test is more accurate for men than women, as only 1 in 2 women with the infection have a positive stain
detection of bacterial genes or nucleic acid (dna) test
detection of bacterial genes or nucleic acid (dna) test is carried out using [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) or cervical swabs to detect the genes of the bacteria
this test is often more accurate than culturing the bacteria
treatment
gonorrhea is treated with penicillin or other antibiotics in pill form or by injection, however, the disease is becoming more and more resistant to many standard medications.
antibiotics that are currently used are:
cefixime
ceftriaxone
ciprofloxacin*
ofloxacin*
tetracycline
* the antibiotics ciprofloxacin and ofloxacin should not be taken if you have gonorrhea and are:
pregnant
younger than 18 years old
gonorrhea and chlamydial infection, another common std, often infect people at the same time
a combination of antibiotics is taken which will treat both diseases, such as:
azithromycin
ceftriaxone
doxycycline
all sexual partners should be tested and treated if infected, whether or not they have symptoms of the infection.
if untreated the gonorrhea infection can spread:
into the reproductive tract
and through the bloodstream infecting:
brain (rarely)
heart valves
joints
the most common result of untreated gonorrhea is pelvic inflammatory disease (pid), a serious infection of the female reproductive organs.
gonococcal pelvic inflammatory disease (pid) often appears immediately after menstruation and causes:
in women
abscesses
perihepatitis, an infection around the liver, as a long-term complication
scar tissue to form in the fallopian tubes
sterilization in females
the embryo to implant in the tube causing a tubal (ectopic) pregnancy, which can result in miscarriage and sometimes death of the mother
the fertilized egg not to pass into the uterus if the tubes are partially scarred
in men
arthritis
epididymitis, an inflammation of the testicles that can cause sterility in the long term
other organ infections
skin problems
swelling of the testicles and penis
approximately 2% of persons with untreated gonorrhea may develop disseminated gonococcal infection (dgi).
symptoms include:
arthritis type pain
fever
skin lesions
cheers
tee vee :cool:
ThaiVisitor
02-05-06, 12:08
So make sure you have safe sex whether in Thailand or anywhere else you may want to "monger".
If there are any other STD information you want, just let me know and I'll continue.
Cheers
Tee Vee :cool:
Terry Terrier
02-05-06, 12:26
Sheesh! I need to book an appointment with the optician! When I first looked I thought it said PUBLIC LICE, and assumed it was another cynical post about the inhabitants of Sukhumvit!
Good posts Tee Vee. But you missed a bit out on Gonorrhoea (my one and only claim to fame with std's): I caught it from an uncovered blowjob. It festers in the mouth, as you state, and has the potency to get down the penile tract and infect the recipient of said blow job. I've heard that this one can be stubborn, but the antibiotic from my local clinic worked a treat for me.
aside from herpes it seems safe enough.
i've eaten a couple of thousand and the only thing i ever catch is some weird coating in the inside of my mouth, which either just goes away after 24 hours or can be banished with listerine.
i don't want to flame anybody but don't let anyone tell you oral sex is safe!
i've recently returned from los and about a week after my return i got a sore throat that wouldn't go away. as i had performed oral sex on a girl (non-pro), i was suspicious and decided to go to a clinic to have myself tested. i explained my problem to the doctor and she took a throat swab and [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) sample. the [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) was tested immediately but no bacteria were found. i had to wait a week for the results of the cell culture.
last thursday i got the diagnosis: chlamydia! i was given two 500mg azithromycin pills that i had to take simultaneously.
as i got chlamydia a few years ago from a girl (also thailand!) who had given me a blow job i should have been more careful.
these links might be informative:
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/news/stds_can_be_transmitted_through_oral_sex_as_well.htm
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/menshealth/facts/infectionoralsex.htm
Tamurlane26
02-05-06, 16:15
Correct indeed my sore throat came from Philippines but the issue is the same. A good forumer also gave the answer which is a throat wash called Peridex - gargle before and it will give 4 hours protection - it is the pink liquid usually found in dentists and according to my friend - who is a dentist and lover of abalone it is very effective.
My fever turned into a real nasty - white throat and unable to swallow for a week until another ent specialist correctly called the problem - another week of serious antibiotics and it has gone but a lesson to all concerned.
It may not be you but if she bbj someone who is not clean then kissing her can also do the trick - her pussy may be clean but her mouth may not and she may not even realise it.
So a nice gargle before going out and going down and you will be much safer in the long run.
from memory my original thread on this one is in Philippines thread
While fucking with a young (she said 19 yo) Thai girl (professional prostitute) taking her from the back my condom broke.
I realized it just when I came out, so I have been fucking her for about 2 minutes with my glandis in contact with her vagina and sexual fluid.
I immediately washed it carefully with plenty of soap and water, I pissed, and I watched and carefully examinated my penis: no any sign of little scares, or cuts, or wounds or red skin, the skin was normal as usual.
Supposing that the girl is 100% HIV positive.
What do you think is the risk of getting HIV?
What the risk to get other diseases?
Should I use any special cream or medicaments to prevent other diseases?
Thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge!
Actually I'm quite sure that, as all the skin of my penis was perfectly intact, there is no way HIV could have been transmitted to me, but who knows?
Here I am again.
One month is passed after the HIV risk exsposure, yesterday I had my blood test for HIV, was negative.
I wasn't able to find any literature and datas about how many weeks the HIV antiboidies need to come out and to be detected with a HIV test....
who could help me with that?
I'll make again the test in 6 weeks (2,5 months after risk) and in June (6 months after risk) but I would like to know usually when do the HIV antibodies come out!
Thanks!
Lorenz, it's my understanding that there is a window of up to 90 days for HIV, so to be sure you need to have a test 3 months after you accident for a true reading of your status.
Hi Lorenz remember to test for other STD's. For HIV to be save the delay are 3 months, 6 months and to be reaallllly save 12 months. But if you are tested in the USA with the new test you should be ok afther 3 months .... the second test it's to make sure and to see if you were "false negatif" or even "false positiv" this happen some time but it's very rare. Good Luck.
Sun rise
The Traveler
02-10-06, 18:51
I wasn't able to find any literature and datas about how many weeks the HIV antiboidies need to come out and to be detected with a HIV test....
who could help me with that?
I'll make again the test in 6 weeks (2,5 months after risk) and in June (6 months after risk) but I would like to know usually when do the HIV antibodies come out!
Lorenz,
the answer is 3 months. Some might test positive earlier, but 3 months is max.
If you do not develop any antibodies within that period, you never will. You will be safe then.
Good luck
Sorry guys, but I just can't take it !
If all this is about one condom breakage, then you're in the wrong sport. But at least the right forum.
Relax.
Don't the Germans have a saying something like: "worrying about something you can not control only multiplies the misery" ?
Sure, practice safe sex, but don't beat your brains out over an "oops".
FD
Exactly Firedick!
This is a risky game, it's a gamble. Don't play if you're not willing to accept the possible consequences- don't gamble what you can't afford to lose.
"Live by the pussy, die by the pussy".
Dear Fellow,
I heard that HIV symptons include night sweats. please advise if it is true and how you can differentiate the night sweats of HIV from other non-HIV related sickness.
How about some pimple like bumps at the back (shoulder blade) of the body. is this is the so called sores or rushes of HIV?
Thanks in advance
the red bumps could be anything and are "easily" checked
Night sweats are similar to waking up in a heavy sweat (routinely) - but if in LOS, it's sort of hard to tell (at least in a fan room).
the test is cheap - go have it done - cheap peace of mind
Be specially careful with TG's in one of soi6's most popular bars.
At least 1 infected girl working there!
Retired Army
02-22-06, 21:21
I don't want to flame anybody but DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU ORAL SEX IS SAFE!
As I got chlamydia a few years ago from a girl (also Thailand!) who had given me a blow job I should have been more careful.
These links might be informative:
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/news/stds_can_be_transmitted_through_oral_sex_as_well.htm
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/menshealth/facts/infectionoralsex.htm
You can also get Gonorrhoea and syphillys, especially from a woman who swallows. I speak from experience. What's the difference between a vagina and throat to bacteria? However, I have been told by medical experts that HIV doesn't like saliva and getting a BBBJ from a HIV+ individual doesn't represent much of a risk. But who want's to risk it? Now I use condoms for everything. If you have a girl who doesn't like CIM you can usually convience them to "go all the way" with a condom.
Retired Army
02-22-06, 21:25
The bumps are probably from the heat. However, if you are HIV+ you don't want to spread it around. So just get the damn test! For your own peace of mind and the rest of our safety.
Be specially careful with TG's in one of soi6's most popular bars.
At least 1 infected girl working there!
Don't keep us in suspense, tell us which bar!! In Pattaya or BKK?
Don't keep us in suspense, tell us which bar!! In Pattaya or BKK?BKK, Pattaya, wherever. What difference does it make?
There are infected girls in pretty much every bar.
There are infected girls in pretty much every bar.
No, there are not, but there easily could be, which amounts to the same, of course.
Pat!
If you carefully read you'll know the bar.
Retired Army
02-25-06, 00:44
Here are some links to good condom suppliers. Some of the super thin Japanese condoms are great. Albeit, a little snug for a falong schlong.
Undercovercondoms.com
Condomdepot.com
But it's not unique to Thailand -
"Sexual activity related injuries"
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11624436/
If the owner/manager knew about the girl wouldn't they let her go. In reality, it is probably true that more than half the bars have one more girls infected with HIV. If you use a condom for vaginal sex you should be okay. There is very little evidence that HIV has even been transmitted orally.
I would be willing to bet an airline ticket to Pattaya that there is at least one infection at the TS/TV bar on Soi 6.
Be specially careful with TG's in one of soi6's most popular bars.
At least 1 infected girl working there!
WOOO HOO,
As some of you might remember, awhile back I had a broken condom experience with some massage girl.
3 months later I got tested (Oh my god I was already planning my funeral) and it came back Negative.
Im so freaking happy.
Cant wait to get back there and fuck some girls.
Enjoy
BKK, Pattaya, wherever. What difference does it make?
There are infected girls in pretty much every bar.The unofficial statistic is: 30-50% of Thai BGs are HIV positive!
In my Thai mongering career I had two close calls:
A 'nice' girl I spent 4 days with in Patty, 1995, died of AIDS in 1997.
I tested HIV-negative.
In 2005 I had unprotected intercourse in Phuket and cought the clap (gonorrhea). What a bummer, ruined my holiday. I tested HIV-negative again.
Back in the homeland I had cought the clap from my own wife in 1975 long before HIV was invented (I can't be dissuaded that it's some biological warfare agent that was let loose, either by accident or by design)!
So for me rubbers make a lot of sense now.
Here's what to look for in the BG: skinny, needle marks, nervousness, jumpiness, moodyness, hyperactivity, always with a cold. So the ones who are a bit more volupteous and calm are the safer bets.
Any disease can be spread by exchange of bodily fluids, including by fellatio, cunnilingus and kissing. There's also influenza, herpes, tuberculosis, parasites and other awful stuff to worry about.
But life is full of dangers and the urge to have fun in overwhelming; so chose your contacts carefully.
M P Lurker
04-17-06, 02:40
WOOO HOO,
As some of you might remember, awhile back I had a broken condom experience with some massage girl.
3 months later I got tested (Oh my god I was already planning my funeral) and it came back Negative.
I'm so freaking happy.
Can't wait to get back there and fuck some girls.
EnjoyHades,
Advice for everyone follows:
I concur that condoms are known to break especially with extended sex sessions or condom contacts someones finger nails or if girl is using a sponge that causes friction (you might not know if in deep). Lube is essential with condoms to reduce friction and chances of breakage.
Moral of the story is to get high class girls from establishments where mandatory testing is regular is a great idea, and always use a condom.
7 eleven stores have a good range in Sukhumwit and Silom areas.
I use extra thin 54 mm size slightly bulbous shape ones (Durex I think but check the back of packet). Well lubed, it sometimes feels so good that I have to check the condom is still on.
If you gamble, you'll win a dose of HIV soon.
BTW, BBBJ is not completely safe. I suspect I caught Clamydia (just once is more than enough) from a low class girl picked up at the Grace Coffee Shop, years ago this way. Normal sex was protected.
Internet medical reports suggest chance of catching HIV from unprotected oral sex is exceedingly low, but still cases do exist in the world. I think I am more likely to be killed in a motor car accident. Bangkok Songkhran road toll was horrific.
But other VD not quite so difficult to catch this way.
Moral of the story is to get high class girls from establishments where mandatory testing is regular is a great idea, and always use a condom.It's not as mandatory as such establishments would have you believe.
Also staff are required to show a test-certificate only, and so it's a lot cheaper and easier for them to pay 100 Baht for a fake one than go through the whole testing process.
Hades,
Advice for everyone follows:
I concur that condoms are known to break especially with extended sex sessions or condom contacts someones finger nails or if girl is using a sponge that causes friction (you might not know if in deep). Lube is essential with condoms to reduce friction and chances of breakage.
Moral of the story is to get high class girls from establishments where mandatory testing is regular is a great idea, and always use a condom.
7 eleven stores have a good range in Sukhumwit and Silom areas.
I use extra thin 54 mm size slightly bulbous shape ones (Durex I think but check the back of packet). Well lubed, it sometimes feels so good that I have to check the condom is still on.
If you gamble, you'll win a dose of HIV soon.
BTW, BBBJ is not completely safe. I suspect I caught Clamydia (just once is more than enough) from a low class girl picked up at the Grace Coffee Shop, years ago this way. Normal sex was protected.
Internet medical reports suggest chance of catching HIV from unprotected oral sex is exceedingly low, but still cases do exist in the world. I think I am more likely to be killed in a motor car accident. Bangkok Songkhran road toll was horrific.
But other VD not quite so difficult to catch this way.I know of a Soi 33 girl who has Genital Herpes and the manager at the establishment she works from had no clue, yet didn't seem surprised when I confronted him with fact.
Buffered gels are coming on the market soon, that is if they can survive the big anti-p4p propaganda. large numbers of men can't use condoms in sea, most are no longer involved with p4p (scared about aids). I"ve been doing surveys in north thailand, and bangkok. Most of the girls think they catch aids the first time they fuck some one with aids and no condom. And most will fuck u with no condom if you tell rhem you don"t have aids. I use a non patentable gel for 6 years, never caught anything. Yes the anti sex club has very effective propaganda but it is a lot easier to die from somthiung else you haven"t been told to worry about. Now I am in phnom penh I am far more concerned about haveing a accident on the street or getting asaulted by several of the towns ya ba addicts, as just happened last week about a block from martini.
Buffered gels are coming on the market soon, that is if they can survive the big anti-p4p propaganda. large numbers of men can't use condoms in sea, most are no longer involved with p4p (scared about aids). I"ve been doing surveys in north thailand, and bangkok. Most of the girls think they catch aids the first time they fuck some one with aids and no condom. And most will fuck u with no condom if you tell rhem you don"t have aids. I use a non patentable gel for 6 years, never caught anything. Yes the anti sex club has very effective propaganda but it is a lot easier to die from somthiung else you haven"t been told to worry about. Now I am in phnom penh I am far more concerned about haveing a accident on the street or getting asaulted by several of the towns ya ba addicts, as just happened last week about a block from martini.
Lee66,
good luck to you. You will need it.
Giotto
There is so much nonsense and half knowledge written here in this thread, and in other safe sex threads of the board, besides very few reasonably substantiated reports about the facts. Especially reg. HIV there are still so many open questions, scientists are working on in huge projects.
There is no such unofficial number that 30% - 50 % of the Thai Bar Girls are HIV positive. Where should that number come from, most of those girls would not even admit to work in that business to avoid losing face. There are estimations from wonnabe scientists about infection rates in Pattaya and the BKK p4p areas, but nobody should take this numbers for granted.
Then I read something about CD4 cells (T-cells with CD4 receptors) being located in huge numbers in the urethra, to transport the HIV virus to the lymph nodes! No, those cells can be found in the blood and the lymph fluid. To get into contact with the CD4 cells the HIV virus has still to pass through the skin membrane into the blood/lymph system, and it is still unclear up to today under which circumstance this definitely happens. There are theories that additionally funguses/other STDs are involved in that process.
What information should we use to make up our minds about the risks we take?
There are some country related numbers regarding the AIDS infection rates of the populations, published by the WHO and the CDC. That gives us a rough idea in which countries it might be more dangerous to play the p4p game.
Then there are some facts scientists know today:
- the HIV virus either enters into the body via injections directly into the blood (shared needles, drugs) or via the mucous membrane (and there is a lot of that skin type located on the primary sexual organs of men and women). There are no proven cases that a transfer had taken place via a normal skin contact (hands, body).
- if there are small lesions, cuts, sores on your primary sexual organs the risk to get infected is higher ( I would say MUCH higher). Two reasons for that: Lesions can bleed, and blood is a highly infectious fluid. The other way around lesions are an easier entry point for the virus.
- the HIV virus is NOT extremely infectious itself, some other viruses like the hepatitis viruses are up to 100 times more infectious (that means easier to transfer)
- women get much easier infected with the virus than men (during unprotected sex). The reasons mentioned as explanation for that phenomenon are the sperm staying longer time within the vagina than vaginal fluid stays on the penis, and the monthly period of the woman (open wound).
To come to a conclusion should be easy now for all of us:
- the risk to get infected is always there during unprotected intercourse
- the risk of getting infected is potentially higher for those who prefer HARD SEX or ANAL intercourse, due to the fact, that skin lesions can occur caused by those techniques. The intestine of the rectum is naturally not well prepared for sexual intercourse.
- the risk of getting infected is potentially higher if the intercourse is performed with insufficient lubrication (the woman doesn’t get wet enough, no gel is used, special techniques without natural lubrication).
- the risk of getting infected is LOWER if sufficient gel is used, but THERE IS STILL A RISK!!!
- the risk of getting infected is higher the higher the concentration of the virus in the body fluid is which the mucous membrane is exposed to. This concentration tends to be highest in the blood, followed by vaginal fluids and sperm. It is very low (nearly not existing) in the saliva.
- the risk of getting infected via oral sex exists because of lesions in the mouth caused be teeth brushing, meals or smaller skin infections. That risk is low, but it exists, too, in both directions! Same reason metioned above.
Conclusion:
There is only ONE WAY of protecting ourselves from getting infected: Using a condom as a barrier between our mucous membrane and the fluid of our sexual partner, sufficiently lubricated. Gels used without condom may lower the risk, but there is still a mentionable risk left.
Even with using a condom there remains a small risk (breaking condoms, wrong usage after exposure to body fluids).
Using only a gel is like playing Russian roulette.
Giotto
Happy Fucker
04-20-06, 08:49
Conclusion:
There is only ONE WAY of protecting ourselves from getting infected: Using a condom as a barrier between our mucous membrane and the fluid of our sexual partner, sufficiently lubricated. Gels used without condom may lower the risk, but there is still a mentionable risk left.
Even with using a condom there remains a small risk (breaking condoms, wrong usage after exposure to body fluids).
Using only a gel is like playing Russian roulette.
GiottoWell, I believe there is one other way: Find the love of your life, see a medical doctor to check for STD, and stay loyal to the love of your life. IMHO, this is of course more safe than having many different partners from various backgrounds highly exposed to STD. But then again we have to stop mongering :-(.
Happy hunting,
HF
Then there are some facts scientists know today:
- ...
Actually, they do not know that much. In their overwhelming majority they strongly believe that ... etc. That is all.
Pretty much everything about HIV/AIDS is much less hard factual science than what people are led to believe.
Nonetheless, one should not need to be concerned by HIV/AIDS to be persuaded to stick to safer sex practices. There is a lot of very nasty things one can catch, especially when engaging into unprotected sexual intercourse with a third-world underprivileged undereducated and overused sex worker.
Nonetheless, one should not need to be concerned by HIV/AIDS to be persuaded to stick to safer sex practices. There is a lot of very nasty things one can catch, especially when engaging into unprotected sexual intercourse with a third-world underprivileged undereducated and overused sex worker.
Absolutely correct. It should be a very easy decision for all of us to always play safe.
Giotto
Yes condoms offer good protection, but if you are one of the many men that are fucking, and refusing to use condoms, then at least you can get circumcised, look for herpes, sores, etc, on your member befor fucking. And if you can get abuffered gel then even better. Then there is this new 3 drug combination may actually prevent aids just by taking this daily.
Yes condoms offer good protection, but if you are one of the many men that are fucking, and refusing to use condoms, then at least you can get circumcised, look for herpes, sores, etc, on your member befor fucking. And if you can get abuffered gel then even better. Then there is this new 3 drug combination may actually prevent aids just by taking this daily.
Lee66,
DAMNED!
If you believe that there is a drug combination which prevents you of ALL STDs including HIV when going bareback then this is up to you! But you will find NO medic in the world who backs this theory.
And - YOU can infect your partner, too! And afterwards your partner can infect somebody else...and so on, that's the way the pandemic develops.
Did you ever think about what impact this information can have on others, reading that on a forum which purpose is to find women for sex?
And please - don't start this fucking stupid "circumcised" discussion now. That is nonsense pure, too! Hell, my blood pressure, I get sick if I read something like that.
Lee66, Switch on you brain, please!
Giotto
This whole "Safe Sex in Thailand" thread is fucking stupid.
Instead should be a large banner with the words:
Wear a fucking condom!
giotto, MAY means maybe, not WILL. this 3 drug combination(for hiv prevention) is in phase 3, has worked on monkeys, gilead the manufactor has distanced its self from this product because to many people are buying and using it as if it works, I would think at least for a while it is better then nothing, most likely the virus will become immune to it as well. From an academic point of view, this board is not the best place for discusing this sort of thing . (to many gullable people making false assumptions).
Wear a fucking condom!
I think there is a pun there somewhere, but I cant think of it.
Angel Eyes
04-21-06, 16:57
This whole "Safe Sex in Thailand" thread is fucking stupid.
Instead should be a large banner with the words:
Wear a fucking condom!
Defiantly, Coma Boy!
Oh, did you hear about the new drug that's coming out next month? It prevents all diseases, not only STDs, plus it has a side effect that works like a Viagra. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention: 40 out of 50 men who took it in the test group, have increased their earnings by 34% (some in the stock market, and some by getting a raise)!
Condoms Cancer Causing.
Safe sex proves yet again not to be that safe. - The Chemical and Veterinary Investigation Institute located in Stuttgart, Germany, just released information on research into condoms and found that 91% of the condoms they tested were high in a carcinogen.
LifeSiteNews.com is reporting on this carcinogen found in the majority of condoms:
Study scientists, who conducted the research at The Chemical and Veterinary Investigation Institute in Stuttgart, Germany, said "N-Nitrosamine is one of the most carcinogenic substances," as reported by the Reuters news service.
Condoms Cancer Causing.
Safe sex proves yet again not to be that safe. - The Chemical and Veterinary Investigation Institute located in Stuttgart, Germany, just released information on research into condoms and found that 91% of the condoms they tested were high in a carcinogen.
LifeSiteNews.com is reporting on this carcinogen found in the majority of condoms:
Study scientists, who conducted the research at The Chemical and Veterinary Investigation Institute in Stuttgart, Germany, said "N-Nitrosamine is one of the most carcinogenic substances," as reported by the Reuters news service.
I'm not a chemical engineer but aren't petroleum distillates carcinogenic? Since condoms are made from a derivitive of petroleum I guess they are right.
If you change the oil in your car and get oil on your hands, you wash your hands with soap and water. The oil being carcinogenic doesn't mean you won't change your oil again does it?
This is a bad pun isn't it? condoms .......change your oil........
nocbj4me
The Traveler
04-22-06, 12:27
NoCBJ4me,
as far as I know the major part of condoms that are sold aren't made from a derivitive of petroleum, they are made of rubber latex, which is "enriched" with a few other ingredients. All in all a natural product. Only a few are made of Polyurethane.
http://www.avert.org/usecond.htm
http://www.infoforhealth.org/pr/j44/j44chap11_c.shtml
http://www.fda.gov/oashi/aids/condom.html
....as far as I know the major part of condoms that are sold aren't made from a derivitive of petroleum, they are made of rubber latex, which is "enriched" with a few other ingredients. All in all a natural product. Only a few are made of Polyurethane.....Indeed most 'rubbers' are made out of rubber, i e latex, harvested from rubber trees (BTW: a big cash crop in LOS). Some people are allergic to latex and for them there are condoms made from a plastic material. Then there are the original 'condoms' made from lambs' guts, used since ancient Roman times. Supposed to feel better but kinda gross and very expensive.
In LOS good condoms are hard to find. Most of them are too small and low quality, made in China or Korea. So bring a good supply of your favorite brand and a few more to trade and give away. Get the kind with a spermicidal lubricant, which will kill bacteria and viri too.
I ran out of condoms once in Phuket and did BB. Sure enough, I cought the clap! No HIV, thank goodness.
Cancer by condom? I used rubbers since puberty as they were easily available from vending machines in the streets of Germany. My dick has not rotted away yet. However a lot of friends and relatives in my age group died of acohol and nicotin related afflictions already, from accidents too.
Actually my doctor says mongering keeps me young and healthy. Happy too.
Has anyone actually ever come across a CBJ?
If so where? And why? Doesn't it defeat the whole point?
NoCBJ4me,
as far as I know the major part of condoms that are sold aren't made from a derivitive of petroleum, they are made of rubber latex, which is "enriched" with a few other ingredients. All in all a natural product. Only a few are made of Polyurethane.
http://www.avert.org/usecond.htm
http://www.infoforhealth.org/pr/j44/j44chap11_c.shtml
http://www.fda.gov/oashi/aids/condom.html
Thanks Trav,
I guess I was thinking about the ultra thin condoms made of polyurethane. I stand corrected and I learned a bit about latex!
nocbj4me
Has anyone actually ever come across a CBJ?
If so where? And why? Doesn't it defeat the whole point?
In my experience it is very uncommon. I only got a few in the last 15 years, always at MPs. Last time was at Poseidon. A very cute light-skinned darling skillfully put the cover using her mouth.
She was very good at it but the feeling was weird, not quite as it is supposed to be. So I rushed things to go to FS as I was afraid of losing my concentration :)
I hate condoms!
The Traveler
04-23-06, 21:10
In LOS good condoms are hard to find. Most of them are too small and low quality, made in China or Korea. So bring a good supply of your favorite brand and a few more to trade and give away. Get the kind with a spermicidal lubricant, which will kill bacteria and viri too.
Fkkguide,
I dare to differ. You can buy Durex size 45 (for Japanese ?), 52 and 54 almost everywhere, at least at any 7/11. That should fit most guys They are reliable, a bit tight but I like them that way, gives a better feeling especially if you use some additional lube "inside".
But I agree that you should avoid the Thai brands. Had to use them twice, one broke and the other one didn't fit. I just couldn't put it on even though a condom should be very elastic. Maybe because I was too worried that it might break again and it was so tight that it pinched off any blood.
AR,
I know a lot about smegma, but by this pic it proves that he is on the verge of being a smegma him self or may be one already.
Fkkguide,
I dare to differ. You can buy Durex size 45 (for Japanese ?), 52 and 54 .....OK, so things have improved a bit, but my favorite brand happens to be Lifestyles Ribbed in pink. Doubt 7/11 in Phuket has THEM.
I bet all condoms are cheaper at Walmart's than in LOS. Can get a dozen for US$1.06 in CA.
Speaking of lube: don't use Vaseline or other petroleum products (f i baby oil) . It dissolves latex! KY only.
Astroglide is the way to go!
nocbj4me
Goodfeller
04-24-06, 03:46
I've been to Thailand a few times, on my last trip, my condoms and I missed each other, thanks to a baggage issue at the airport. I was only without for a couple of days but suffered severe separation anxiety. So, I ventured out to find some replacements. I went to a pharmacy, to a 7-11 and a grocery store looking for something familiar. For some reason I hate the feeling of shopping for condoms as little old ladies and children eye me suspiciously with that tisk-tisk look on their faces. They know why we're here anyway. It's kinda hard to find what your looking for when it's all written in Thai. I'm not huge but I wanted something that wasn't tight or too short. After rumaging through the stock pile, an employee came over and handed me some type of Durex brand. It had the size written somewhere but not in the same numbers that were inscribed on my tape measure at home. That was a joke, no flaming please. I bought those and another colored box for good measure, no pun intended. Well, the length was ok, but I've never gotten to fully roll down a condom all the way before, aahhh, another first, thanks Thailand. However, the fit was tight, not choking me off, turning purple tight, but not comfortable. They also seemed a stronger, thicker material than I was accustomed to. Needless to say, I was happy to have my suitcase and all that it contained, returned to me. Maybe there's a reason they call them Lifestyles. Moral of the story is some things you can pick up along the way, this just isn't one of them. Take them with you, they make good traveling partners, they're there when you need them, they help keep you safe and perfectly happy sleeping on your floor.
The Traveler
04-24-06, 21:41
OK, so things have improved a bit, but my favorite brand happens to be Lifestyles Ribbed in pink. Doubt 7/11 in Phuket has THEM.
I bet all condoms are cheaper at Walmart's than in LOS. Can get a dozen for US$1.06 in CA.
Speaking of lube: don't use Vaseline or other petroleum products (f i baby oil) . It dissolves latex! KY only.
Fkkguide,
you are right, you won't find your favourite at a 7/11, only Durex and a few Thai brands. A package (3 condoms) will set you back approx. 50 baht, therefore Walmart is indeed very cheap.
The Traveler
04-24-06, 21:54
Goodfeller,
the fact that you obviously got the wrong size and the wrong "model" doesn't mean that all condoms available in LOS won't fit your needs.
I used to bring my own but since 7/11 provides all necessary ingredients for a nice night - sometimes including a girl :) - I just buy them there. At the very first time I just bought a package of each "model" to find out which would be best for me. Went to a supermarket which provided a huge variety of Durex and another European brand. So I ended up with around a dozen packages at the cashier. Nobody cared or waved me a smile, just as I would have bought candy instead of condoms. So I guess you are just a bit too shy.
Don't worry, guess most people don't have negative thoughts about it, the opposite should be true. It's a clear sign that you protect yourself and your partner. Doesn't mean you are fucking around. Don't forget, some girls are allergic to contraceptives so condoms are the way to go.
Goodfeller
04-24-06, 23:21
Traveler,
Perhaps there are more options of "style" I could have chosen.I guess my post was directed more towards the newcomber who may not desire to go through the process of discovery purchasing a multitude of condoms. I tried it and wasn't satisfied with what I found. I still think and suggest to anyone going for their first time to bring their own. No arguement needed, just my suggestion.
As for shyness, I'd say it's more a respect issue. Being that I was in the Nana area, I didn't want to come across as another ugly American who was there for one thing only, especially with children and older non-working women around. We're getting a bad reputation as it is and I wouldn't want to be that guy buying 10 boxes of condoms and a bottle of K-Y in front of Thailand's society. I'd rather bring my own for comfort on a variety of levels. Once again, just my opinion. Peace.
Astroglide is the way to go!
ID Millenium, I'd say.
It is silicon-based, and thus even works in the water. In fact, it makes bathroom tiles rather slippery:) On the plus side, it does not dry as water-based lubes tend to do, and it is not sticky. Really worth a try.
Cherry flavored. Courtesy counts.
Hope someone out there is a medical expert. If one is on medication for high blood pressure, is it ok to take vitamin V. What are the consequences if any?
Thanks.
Hope someone out there is a medical expert. If one is on medication for high blood pressure, is it ok to take vitamin V. What are the consequences if any?
Thanks.
Duniawala,
careful! Vit. V is definitely contra-indicated to some blood pressure treatments. Vit. V. effect is basically a contraction of the small veins, which hinders/slows down the blood to flow back to the heart. For that your erection stays longer, but the same effect takes place in your heart!
It increases the blood pressure slightly. Everybody on high pressure treatment should talk to his doctor about the risks.
Giotto
FlyingVisitor
05-23-06, 09:45
hi brothers,
what about bbbj?
has anybody information on infection rate with girls from bj bars such as [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) or star of love (patpong 2)?
are they under medical check?
which one of you got std after a bj bar visit?
i feel that these girls must be perfect with their service.
thanks for response.
fv.
RCA Knight
05-31-06, 20:28
I got an e-mail from a friend today. He said he was sick for weeks already back home in Netherlands. He said he contracted hepatitis B from Thailand. He believed he got it from bbbj when he was here in thailand for pat 4 months and received over 30 bbbj by over 30 different girls.
I wonder if any of the members have contracted hepatitis B or possibly other forms like A or C from bbbj in Thailand?? Tried to google search more info on this, but cannot find the rates or probability for contracting this from bbbj.
Any more infos on this??
Phantomtiger2
05-31-06, 21:55
I got an e-mail from a friend today. He said he was sick for weeks already back home in Netherlands. He said he contracted hepatitis B from Thailand. He believed he got it from bbbj when he was here in thailand for pat 4 months and received over 30 bbbj by over 30 different girls.
I wonder if any of the members have contracted hepatitis B or possibly other forms like A or C from bbbj in Thailand?? Tried to google search more info on this, but cannot find the rates or probability for contracting this from bbbj.
Any more infos on this??
Bro RCA,
Hep B is mostly contracted thru blood and fecal contamination (unwash food raw seafood etc). Its not easily (although not impossible) contracted via saliva(mouth). More likely senario is your friend got it with unsanitary food . ex: someone goes to bathroom, wipes their ass , dont clean hands then handles the food.
Or another senario; some Thai gals does BBJ on some bro that just did anal on some infected thai gal, dont rinse mouth and goes down on your friend--I guess this could happen.
PT
Oral sex is not safe sex.You can get a bacterial infection of chlamydia, syphilis or gonorrhea in your mouth and/or throat, and in some rarer occasions, can develop genital warts in the mouth. Herpes is commonly passed between genitals and the mouth. HIV and Hepatiti B can be passed through cuts in the mouth or small abrasions. It's very diffucult to say a exact % but even if the risk is very very small and for some only theoritical (means possible but not proven) this could happen. But like PT saided You can get Hepatiti B in other way so it's difficult to say that oral sex was the way he got it. By the way there is a vaccine for Hepatit B so why not to get it before a trip in Asia or Africa.
Sun rise
I got an e-mail from a friend today. He said he was sick for weeks already back home in Netherlands. He said he contracted hepatitis B from Thailand. He believed he got it from bbbj when he was here in thailand for pat 4 months and received over 30 bbbj by over 30 different girls.
I wonder if any of the members have contracted hepatitis B or possibly other forms like A or C from bbbj in Thailand?? Tried to google search more info on this, but cannot find the rates or probability for contracting this from bbbj.
Any more infos on this??
Easiest thing is to have a Hepatitis B shot from your Doctor. Provides total immunity, costs little and gives great peace of mind
RCA Knight
06-01-06, 07:07
I chatted with my friend who contracted hepatitis B from Thailand on the MSN this morning. He told me he most likely contracted it from oral sex. Maybe not from BBBJ but from ass rimming.
He said he probably rimmed all his 30 plus *****s who gave him BBBJ when at 69 position. He said he rimmed some of them so deep almost sticking his tongue down the anal intestines. He probably ate some shits from some infected Thai girls. He said he won't do it again. Leanred his tough lesson. He is recovering but sick with fever, diarrhrea, fatigue, headache for many days.
Got lots of medicine from hospital and his old mama is taking care of him. He has to blame it on the dirty foods in Thailand to his mama.
So anal rimming actually has a risk of hepatitis if you accidentally eat some girls' juicey shits. I think I will go get a vaccine and tell all my friends better to get a vaccine before start any actions in Thailand.
Knight,
Let's hope for him that his mommy don't know that only Hep A is contracted from water and food...
B & C are bodyjuice related.
BTW Did you tell him he's a fool? Hep B and livercancer are related...
SidTheSexist
06-01-06, 09:20
Wont be kissing those Akane girls next time Im in town.
Again have fun but remember when you do DATY ass rimming and when the gril give you a uncover BJ you can get HIV and Herpes and there is no cure for this. It's true for HIV we don't know the exact % of getting it this way but there is one. And yes 95 % of the people that get Hepatitis B will be ok but like Freeler said many of them will have liver cancer.
Sun Rise
Anal rimming! ewwww....... grossing me out.
Always get Hep shots, if you were born and brought up in the West. We poor folks from 3rd world (sorry, developing) countries have been exposed to alsmost everything so chances are much less. However, even then the shots are a good idea. If you get Hep B and don't catch it in the beginning, you can almost certainly say goodbye to your loved ones as you get liver cancer, which is almost non treatable once in advanced stages.
Azure Knight
06-01-06, 15:58
hi brothers,
what about bbbj?
has anybody information on infection rate with girls from bj bars such as [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) or star of love (patpong 2)?i'm also quite curious about this. i hope to be dropping by [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) in a few days time and i'd hate to get a souvenir.
also, i've been looking up info on the web and this popped up once or twice - http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/ohe/library/sexhealth/sti/riskchart.htm the thing i noticed most was, except for herpes, you aren't at any risk for daty? ...really? can anyone offer any experiences/opinions to confirm or deny that?
Phantomtiger2
06-01-06, 17:44
[QUOTE=RCA Knight]I chatted with my friend who contracted hepatitis B from Thailand on the MSN this morning. He told me he most likely contracted it from oral sex. Maybe not from BBBJ but from ass rimming.
Yes Bro RCA,
this is the most likely way your friend got sick, as I stated in my previous post, majority of Hep B infections are due to contaminations via fecal matters. Mostly thru unsanitary handling of food and raw (uncooked) food, but this is the 1st time I've ever heard of getting it thru eating someones ass. Your friend should submit his story to the Medical Journals.
Down side for your friend is that Hep B is incurable and alot of people suffer from liver problems( jaundice etc) in the future (15-20 years later), it is not just a liver cancer problem.
PT
Yes Bro RCA,
This is the most likely way your friend got sick, as I stated in my previous post, majority of Hep B infections are due to contaminations via fecal matters. Mostly thru unsanitary handling of food and raw (uncooked) food, but this is the 1st time I've ever heard of getting it thru eating someones ass. Your friend should submit his story to the Medical Journals.Don't bother submitting it to medical journals - its pretty obvious that fecal matter and as holes go together.
RCA Knight
06-02-06, 07:14
i did a extensive reserach on this subject. i found out that thailand and other poor southeast asian countries like vietnam, cambodia, myanmar, along with china ect have the highest rates of hepatitis of all kinds in the entire world. and the thai *****s are probably the highest infected groups because of their daily exposure to sex and exposure to all types of body fluids every single day.
so when you have oral sex on a thai girl once in a long while, the chance of getting this is small. but for lots of us long time mongers who have sex including oral sex on thai *****s on daily basis, then the chance of getting hepatitis either a or b is really really high.
i read many articles that when we give oral sex to girls, we are actually unconsciously taking in small amounts of:
1)vaginal fluids
2)annal fluids
3)blood traces from vagina
4)blood traces from anus
5)traces of [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113)
and all these elements are enough to cause either hepatitis a or more serious b type which may be very dangerous later on in life.
so after hearing my friend's bad fortune, i have decided to stop giving oral sex to thai girls. and maybe all of us long time mongers in thailand should think twice before you move your head down the valley. because if we do it time after time, our fortune will run out one of these days.
vaccine can help and are available in most hospitals. you need to get 3 vaccines in a duration of 6 months for type b for it to work.
hope this can help to warn all the long timers in thailand to be cautious from now on.
AliasDonkey
06-02-06, 09:08
Thanks for the Info its a good thing that I got all my shots last year LOL. But I don't eat out when I'm away from home if you know what i mean LOL.
Phantomtiger2
06-02-06, 18:39
Don't bother submitting it to medical journals - its pretty obvious that fecal matter and as holes go together.
dont worry bro, just meant it as a joke to lighten everyones mood .
peace
PT
Johnson994
06-13-06, 18:33
that's why you should have taken a double treatment for both clamydia and gonorrhea anyway. like coma said the big problem of clamydia is that sometime is asymptomatic .in case you don't have symptoms the only way to find out if you get clamydia is the urethral swab test and a blood test.despite clamydia is not a virus it produces antibodies (igg,igm).for the first time vd's catcher (not my case) calmydia will show itself with symptoms like light swab (in the morning) , hitching sensation in the urethra and burning when [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111).best antibiotics for killing clamydia belong to macrolides family:
erythromycin,azythromycin,iosamycin,roxithromicin.....commercial brand name : zythromax,erythrocyn,iosalide,rulid,etc....
dosage : 600 mg. on empty stomach every 6 hours for 2 weeks and you will kill clamydia straight away !! i know it very well, trust me. i have been away from these forums for a while. i have symptoms and have been living with it. i gave up.
Johnson994
06-13-06, 20:45
I posted a report with photo for those that are latex intolerant or just don't like rubber.
CheersWhere did you post it?
Johnson994
06-13-06, 21:16
gonorrhea
gonorrhea gonococcal infection (clap, drip)
gonorrhea is:
an infection that is spread through sexual contact with another person
caused by a bacterium, neisseria gonorrhoeae
second only to chlamydial infections in the number of reported cases.
the gonorrhea germs are found in the mucous areas of the body:
genital tract
penis
rectum
throat
vagina
in women
the opening (cervix) to the womb (uterus) from the birth canal is the first place of infection
the disease can spread into the womb and fallopian tubes, resulting in pelvic inflammatory disease (pid) which can cause infertility in up to 10% of infected women and tubal (ectopic) pregnancy
risk groups
any person who is sexually active can be infected with gonorrhea
common among younger people, ages 15-30, who have multiple sex partners
increases in gonorrhea have been found among men who have sex with men
occurs more frequently in urban areas than in rural areas.
transmission
gonorrhea is spread
through sexual contact including:
penis to vagina (infection rate for males 30-50%, females 60-90%)
penis to mouth,
penis to rectum
mouth to vagina
from mother to child as the child passes through the birth canal during delivery causing:
eye infections
in children, usually due to sexual abuse it is found in the:
genital tract
mouth
rectum
other risk factors
an infected person can spread the infection to another area of their body by touching the infected area and transferring the excretions
clothing or wash cloths of infected people can spread the infection
symptoms
in men:
creamy or green, pus-like discharge from the penis
painful urination (burning sensation)
testicular pain
in women:
bleeding between periods
creamy or green, pus-like or bloody vaginal discharge
excessive bleeding during menstrual period
irritation of the vulva
lower abdominal pain
painful intercourse
painful urination (burning sensation)
rectal infection
throat infection
rectal infection:
constipation
creamy, pus-like discharge
itching
painful bowel movement with blood in [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113)
rectal bleeding
symptoms usually appear 2-7 days after infection in males, but it can sometimes take up to 30 days for symptoms to appear.
often there are no symptoms at all in:
10-15 % of men
80% of women
people with no symptoms are at risk of developing complications from gonorrhea and can unknowingly spread the infection.
from the time of infection gonorrhea can be spread and will continue to be spread until properly treated.
past infection does not make a person im***e to gonorrhea and previous infections with gonorrhea may allow complications to occur more rapidly and increase your risk of getting hiv.
long term complications
in men
epididymitis
an inflammation of the testicles that can cause sterility
in women
abscesses
ectopic pregnancy
a pregnancy outside of the uterus
pelvic inflammatory disease (pid)
an ascending infection that spreads from the vagina and cervix to the uterus and fallopian tubes, which can lead to sterility
perihepatitis
an infection around the liver
sterility
in newborns
gonorrhea can be transmitted to newborns.
diagnosis
many doctors prefer to use more than one test to increase the chance of an accurate diagnosis. there are three laboratory techniques usually used to diagnose gonorrhea:
staining biological samples
staining biological samples directly for the bacterium is carried out by placing on a slide a sample of the discharge from the penis or cervix and staining it with a dye
the doctor can usually give you the test results during the consultation
this test is more accurate for men than women, as only 1 in 2 women with the infection have a positive stain
detection of bacterial genes or nucleic acid (dna) test
detection of bacterial genes or nucleic acid (dna) test is carried out using [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) or cervical swabs to detect the genes of the bacteria
this test is often more accurate than culturing the bacteria
treatment
gonorrhea is treated with penicillin or other antibiotics in pill form or by injection, however, the disease is becoming more and more resistant to many standard medications.
antibiotics that are currently used are:
cefixime
ceftriaxone
ciprofloxacin*
ofloxacin*
tetracycline
* the antibiotics ciprofloxacin and ofloxacin should not be taken if you have gonorrhea and are:
pregnant
younger than 18 years old
gonorrhea and chlamydial infection, another common std, often infect people at the same time
a combination of antibiotics is taken which will treat both diseases, such as:
azithromycin
ceftriaxone
doxycycline
all sexual partners should be tested and treated if infected, whether or not they have symptoms of the infection.
if untreated the gonorrhea infection can spread:
into the reproductive tract
and through the bloodstream infecting:
brain (rarely)
heart valves
joints
the most common result of untreated gonorrhea is pelvic inflammatory disease (pid), a serious infection of the female reproductive organs.
gonococcal pelvic inflammatory disease (pid) often appears immediately after menstruation and causes:
in women
abscesses
perihepatitis, an infection around the liver, as a long-term complication
scar tissue to form in the fallopian tubes
sterilization in females
the embryo to implant in the tube causing a tubal (ectopic) pregnancy, which can result in miscarriage and sometimes death of the mother
the fertilized egg not to pass into the uterus if the tubes are partially scarred
in men
arthritis
epididymitis, an inflammation of the testicles that can cause sterility in the long term
other organ infections
skin problems
swelling of the testicles and penis
approximately 2% of persons with untreated gonorrhea may develop disseminated gonococcal infection (dgi).
symptoms include:
arthritis type pain
fever
skin lesions
cheers
tee vee :cool:
that is what i have right now. my penis has the same stuff coming out of it all the time.
Azure Knight
06-16-06, 09:47
After coming back from BKK I've got tiny little bumps on the head of my penis now. They're really small, like goosebumps. Nothing in particular hurts, and I'm not having any unusual discharges (as far as I know). I saw a doctor immediately after returning and they did basic tests and didn't find anything. I'd had a full test before going which came out clean - I wanted a full test again but the doc said "your full test was fine before, and your basic's fine now so I don't think you have anything to worry about." Still, goosebumps on the penis here.
He gave me some ointment, but I'm still kinda concerned about it. Anyone know what it could possibly be? And how I can get rid of it?
The Traveler
06-16-06, 19:50
Azure Knight,
sounds like a fungus, but could also be a skin irritiation due to (hopefully) heavy use of rubber condoms. If it doesn't go away within a few days go see another doctor again.
BTW, did your doctor made a smear test ?
SE Asia Joe
06-30-06, 04:55
After coming back from BKK I've got tiny little bumps on the head of my penis now. They're really small, like goosebumps. Nothing in particular hurts, and I'm not having any unusual discharges
"your full test was fine before, and your basic's fine now so I don't think you have anything to worry about." Anyone know what it could possibly be? And how I can get rid of it?
Do a google search on HPV or venereal warts - I THINK this is what you've got... along with 50% of the population!
Actually its incredible that venereal warts, caused by the Human Papiloma Virus is so prevalent (50%) and yet not many people aware/concerned about this - what I would consider - widespread epidemic.
SE Asia Joe
MarcoStraight
06-30-06, 09:07
I have been away from these forums for a while. I have symptoms and have been living with it. I gave up.
What u mean u're living with it ? Don't underestimate your symptoms, go to a doctor immediately , best thing to do is a swab test to find out what kind of bacterial is responsible for your disharge.Don't worry is not painfull,very easy and fast.If you got problem with it lets go to the pharmacy and buy treatment for both gonnhorea and clamydia so you'll be sure to kill anything.
If you have synptoms since long time already it wil be harder to erase bacterials so I suggest you what I named HIROSHIMA Therapy wich consists taking two different drugs at the same time.
I'm not a doctor I'm just telling u what did work for me and for my friends...None of them has been disappointed with H.Therapy :
TROBICIN 2gr. inj.(Spectinomicin chlorid.) - 1 vial a day for 3 days .(it will erase Neisseria Ghonorrea)
ERYTHROMYCIN 500 mg.tbl. ( Erythrocyn) - 2000 mg. empty stomach ( 4 tbl. a day) for 2 weeks (it will erase any Non Specyfical Urethritis including Clamydia etc.etc..).
Side effect due to Hiroshima Therapy :
Antibiotics destroy any kind of bacterials in your body, bad and good ones so you might have symptoms like diarrhea , candida albicans , etcc.. Try to take some vitamins during this therapy and in case you got candida (kind of fungus in your penis) don't worry , just use some cream, once you end therapy you're gonna be ok.
Trust me this is the only way to erase both Gonhorrea and NSU even if you got symptoms since long time and you've becomed chronic.
Therapy is strong but it worked for me and for many fellows like me.
Ps/ Anyway it's a very long time since then I'm using gloves and I suggest u doing the same.
The Traveler
07-01-06, 08:06
Do a google search on HPV or venereal warts - I THINK this is what you've got... along with 50% of the population!
Actually its incredible that venereal warts, caused by the Human Papiloma Virus is so prevalent (50%) and yet not many people aware/concerned about this - what I would consider - widespread epidemic.
SE Asia Joe
SE Asia Joe,
it should also be mentioned that about 70% of all cancers of the uterus are caused by HPV. There are about 500.000 new cases each year and about 300.000 deaths.
Merck just released a vaccine named Gardasil - GlaxoSmithKline's vaccine Cervarix still needs approval. The US government intends to implement it into their regular vaccine program and any girl between 9 - 26yrs should take it.
MarcoStraight
07-01-06, 08:48
There's a very good stuff selled in Thailand for the treatment of small warts,calluses and corns, it's called DUOFILM (Salicylic Acid + Lactic Acid).
It's not selled anywhere, I found it at the biggest pharmacy in Patpong (after King's Castle) and J.D. Pharmacy in Pattaya (near soi Diamond - second road entrance) .
It's a small bottle containing a liquid to apply on the wart. Be carefull , the liquid is very strong so only one drop covering the wart will be enough to destroy HPV virus and I suggest to put some vasellin cream to cover the skin surrounding the wart so you won't burn anything else but the wart.
The treatment could be repeated after a week .
In case wart is pretty big I suggest going to a doctor for surgical removal.
The Traveler
07-01-06, 09:58
MarcoStraight,
lactic acid is often used to get rid of any warts (on feet and so on.)
In the end it's acid and will etch the wart, preventing it to grow. But one drop a week won't be enough, it must be repeated at least twice a day to have an effect. This can be painful because after some time you will have etched away the wart and have an open wound, which will heal afterwards.
Nevertheless I doubt that he has warts. He was talking about many little red spots, not just one or a few warts. I still believe its a harmless fungus. Some cream for a week and he will be fine.
Anyway, he shouldn't be too shy to see a doctor. We can only guess but don't know shit what he really got. Best advice is still to see a doctor.
MarcoStraight
07-01-06, 13:42
MarcoStraight,
lactic acid is often used to get rid of any warts (on feet and so on.)
In the end it's acid and will etch the wart, preventing it to grow. But one drop a week won't be enough, it must be repeated at least twice a day to have an effect. This can be painful because after some time you will have etched away the wart and have an open wound, which will heal afterwards.
I'm just telling what did work to me.Duofilm worked to me and to several fellows just with one drop, problem is : you got to start treatment when the wart is still very small .I don't think you should repeat the treatment twice a day...You gonna burn your dick and it's gonna be dangerous.Much better start with a drop , then see what happen, if the wart's still there repet the treatment.
Nevertheless I doubt that he has warts. He was talking about many little red spots, not just one or a few warts. I still believe its a harmless fungus. Some cream for a week and he will be fine.
I think so, warts actually do not come in 'many little red spots', it could be some candida/fungus or herpes simplex.
I'm going to live in Taiwan for a year or so and I plan to take several trips to BKK.:-) Therefore, I'm sure I'll get something and so I suppose I better get ready.
I actually already have HPV. I got it from a long-term GF here in the states. I've never had much for symptoms. But now that we're on the subject, if you already have HPV, will having sex with a HPV+ sex worker cause it to flare up more?
I have my Hep shots, and shots for just about anything else, and I always wrap up before any FS, P4P or not. Also, I don't do anal. It's just too risky if the condom tears in my opinion.
However I still want to get BBBJs from pros in BKK. I heard you can't really catch HIV this way. I'm sure there's a number of things you can get though. Is it worth it to put on the rubber for BJ, in your opinion?
I mean, if I don't have uncovered sex and have all my shots, what's the worst thing that will likely happen to me? I figure if I have to get some antibiotics from time to time, that's the cost of doing business, but I don't want to really screw myself up.
Writing this just in case it helps someone else out there. Over the last couple of years i developed a reaction to Condoms (seriously). Started slowly, but after a couple of years of bi-monthly 1 week stints during which i would go through around 20 of the things, my old fella would start to itch, then develop a burning sensation, and after going home and not having the condoms on, the burning would become unbearable, reach a peak of pain then the skin would start flaking off! All very distressing and awkward when you come home from an overseas trip to Asia!
It reached the point where my old fella would just retreat the instant i brought out the condoms, no matter how horny i was! (I always knew it had a mind of its own) Even wondered if i'd need to start taking some of those blue pills.
Found latex free condoms, and now theres no stopping me again! Zero reaction. They are hard to find over here, but for me worth the search. And no need for blue pills yet!
:-) Ozirob
MarcoStraight
07-02-06, 15:33
I mean, if I don't have uncovered sex and have all my shots, what's the worst thing that will likely happen to me? I figure if I have to get some antibiotics from time to time, that's the cost of doing business, but I don't want to really screw myself up.
The worst thing could be herpes simplex type 1 or some candida - fungus, you could get it having an uncovered blow job.Forget getting HIV or hepat.C having an uncov. B.J.
Don't take antibiotics time to time, it's not wise.
Taking antibiotics continually it will destroy your immunitary system instead and it will be easier to get candida,fungus or herpes plus antibiotics are VENOM for your body don't forget it.
Take antibiotics just in case you got simptoms not to prevent any disease.
Good luck.
Traveler1234
07-02-06, 15:51
The worst thing could be herpes simplex type 1 or some candida - fungus, you could get it having an uncovered blow job.Forget getting HIV or hepat.C having an uncov. B.J.
Don't take antibiotics time to time, it's not wise.
Taking antibiotics continually it will destroy your immunitary system instead and it will be easier to get candida,fungus or herpes plus antibiotics are VENOM for your body don't forget it.
Take antibiotics just in case you got simptoms not to prevent any disease.
Good luck.
MS - you're 99% right.
You can get HIV and/or hep C with BBBJ, although chances usually slim...but it has happened.
Re antibiotics, continued use is not good and often you either develop resistance or reaction. In my particular case, i are now allergic to doxi...reaction is fungus on my penis and other areas. For many people, best solution is to take a probecite (lactosbaccillus - like yogurt) with antibiotic regimen. Women take it all the time when they're on antibiotics.
The Traveler
07-02-06, 21:52
I think so, warts actually do not come in 'many little red spots', it could be some candida/fungus or herpes simplex.
MarcoStraight,
I doubt that it could be a herpes. If you got some herpes you will have itchy "pimples" filled with liquid which is highly infectious. The pimples will break open after a couple of days and the open wounds may cause some pain.
It's most likely a candida/fungus and he should see a doctor. Seeking advice about STDs in a forum for some self-treatment is a very stupid thing.
The Traveler
07-02-06, 22:05
Dexadrine,
Traveler1234 is right. Taking antibiotics on a regular basis without any infection is a very bad thing and only does damage rather than good.
Not only that you might get allergic to it, your alimentary system might also get affected - don't forget, you need certain bacterias in your colon to digest properly - and you may develop some fungus.
Furthermore, bacterias might develop resistance against these antibiotics if taken improperly (weak dosis, extended periods). If you really need these antibiotics next time they won't help anymore. Since you intend going BB you might also spread those resistant strains of bacterias and make it worse for the rest of us to fight these bacterias if infected. Doctors all over the world complain about this sort of misbehaviour/drug abuse and another stronger antibiotic must be used. The major problem is, that they are running out of effective antibiotics.
Traveler1234
07-02-06, 23:54
MarcoStraight,
It's most likely a candida/fungus and he should see a doctor. Seeking advice about STDs in a forum for some self-treatment is a very stupid thing.
You need to get complete STD profile, which includes swab and culture of same for all std. To be double safe, might as well get blood drawn for HIV, herpes antibodies, hep a/b/c. And if you still have the lesions, get it cultured for herpes 1 and 2...results on all will come back in under a week if done in states via commercial lab or via doc's office.
More info, check out the center for disease control site, www.cdc.org (or .com).
MarcoStraight
07-03-06, 21:21
MarcoStraight,
Seeking advice about STDs in a forum for some self-treatment is a very stupid thing.
More stupid could be going to some Pattaya's clinic and seing some nurse-doctor who's gonna try to steal as much money he can prescribing you wrong medicines and making fake test. 80 % of the small clinics in Pattaya are something about it.
MarcoStraight
07-03-06, 21:32
You need to get complete STD profile, which includes swab and culture of same for all std. To be double safe, might as well get blood drawn for HIV, herpes antibodies, hep a/b/c. And if you still have the lesions, get it cultured for herpes 1 and 2...results on all will come back in under a week if done in states via commercial lab or via doc's office.
More info, check out the center for disease control site, www.cdc.org (or .com).
Best hospitals in Thailand to me are Bunrumgrad in Soi nana and Bangkok Pattaya on sukhumvit Road Pattaya.
Bangkok Pattaya Hospital doesn't make all the test,for ex. they gonna send HSV type 1 and 2 to Bangkok.I knew people who were disappointed with doctors in Bangkok Pattaya Hospital so having a basic experience about this kind of disease can really help.
Guys,
need some hint from the experets.
I will be in Bangkok the first time early August.
Now in Korea I might not have enough quality condoms with me.
So what is your best condom in Thailand and where to get it.
Look for the thin type of course, but western sized and as I read in this forum it should be a western brand.
So what and where?
Thanks if you can help.
regards
Brain666
Writing this just in case it helps someone else out there. Over the last couple of years i developed a reaction to Condoms (seriously). Started slowly, but after a couple of years of bi-monthly 1 week stints during which i would go through around 20 of the things, my old fella would start to itch, then develop a burning sensation, and after going home and not having the condoms on, the burning would become unbearable, reach a peak of pain then the skin would start flaking off! All very distressing and awkward when you come home from an overseas trip to Asia!
It reached the point where my old fella would just retreat the instant i brought out the condoms, no matter how horny i was! (I always knew it had a mind of its own) Even wondered if i'd need to start taking some of those blue pills.
Found latex free condoms, and now theres no stopping me again! Zero reaction. They are hard to find over here, but for me worth the search. And no need for blue pills yet!
:-) OzirobI knew I couldn't be the only one.
All of a sudden, last year, I developed the same reaction to condoms as you did. I originally thought it was a latex thing, but I have since found that it was the spermacide. I have switched to latex condoms w/o spermacide and have not had issues since.
Hope this helps. I'm planning my 1st trip to Thailand and came across your post
Eric Thai Addict
07-09-06, 22:53
Guys,
need some hint from the experets.
I will be in Bangkok the first time early August.
Now in Korea I might not have enough quality condoms with me.
So what is your best condom in Thailand and where to get it.
Brain666Best I can get is Body Guard they have size 54 or 56. Never buy Durex locally as they are locally produced and too small and do not fit at all. Body Guard is the best (thin and lub) what I have found and the advantage is that most good pharmacies sell them.
M P Lurker
07-12-06, 20:50
Best I can get is Body Guard they have size 54 or 56. Never buy Durex locally as they are locally produced and too small and do not fit at all. Body Guard is the best (thin and lub) what I have found and the advantage is that most good pharmacies sell them.Eric Thai Addict,
Perhaps you were mixed up with DUO condoms?
In my opinion Durex make a fine easyfit (slightly bulb shaped) size 54mm condom titled 'comfort' available in 7eleven stores in Sukhumwit, Pat Pong and some other places. It is quite thin and equivalent to extra thin ones avail in Germany and Australia in my opinion. Pack is dark blue with a galaxy like swirl in the bottom left corner coloured light blue, puple and pink. I have not seen the body-guard condoms at all in Thailand so can't comment on them.
Not trying to cause an argument, but there are several very reputable websites that see oral insertive sex (i.e. receiving a bj) as NO risk. One of which is the site for Johns Hopkins University, a world leader in AIDS research and the word of the primary HIV specialist there, Dr. Joel Gallant. Another site is called aidsmeds.com and they have considerable documented data regarding the transmission vectors of HIV. To quote, "There has never been one documented case of HIV transmission from receiving a blowjob". Another site making the same claim is one of the oldest and most respected authorities on HIV in San Francisco, HIV Insite.
There is only a theoretical risk of oral from female to male, and in 25 years of HIV (or more) no one has ever gotten it that way (not to be confused with male to female which has been documented). For example, there was a long study done with some 19,000 participants, all couples. One of each of the partners was HIV positive and the only protection used was for intercourse and not oral. Not one person in this several year study that started off HIV negative contracted the disease.
If you are walking down the street you also have a theoretical risk of getting hit by a meteor, just to put it in perspective.
The information out there is mixed for several reasons, not the least of which are political and religious. I guess we all pick our own truthes and go from there.
I have a question, not having had an STD before my knowledge is not the best.
The discussion of which bars test, and how often, rears its head frequently, by those sensible travellers looking to stay clean. My question is this...
The best places in the whole country will not be performing a test more than once a week. In my example lets say its Sunday, so on Sunday Khun XXX is clean, but on Sunday night she unknowingly contracts an STD from a customer. During the next 6 days, she works non stop, servicing around 3 customers per day. (don't forget, she's working in one of the best places)
Why is this BG any safer than a girl that doesn't get tested, i see it that the only person who is guaranteed an STD free party, is the very first guy she services after her check up - every person after that is at risk again.
On this basis, the test is worthless, i must be missing something...right ?
SidTheSexist
07-26-06, 03:34
Meaty,
And seen as HIV has an incubation period of 3 months, even the first bloke is still at risk!!!
Sid
Rubber Nursey
07-26-06, 04:23
Just wanted to respond to Meaty's post.
An STD/HIV test only confirms a person's illness/infection status at the EXACT MOMENT the test is being conducted. All STDs have a 'window-period' before the infection builds up enough for the body to begin creating antibodies, the presence of which is generally the indicator of infection. This means, for example, I could get infected on Monday and have a test on Tuesday which comes back 'clean', but by Wednesday (depending on the incubation period of the particular STD) I could have become infectious.
Please be aware that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS 'CLEAN' when it comes to STD tests in sex workers, or any other person who is regularly sexually active. The ONLY people who can truthfully claim that they are completely disease-free are VIRGINS, or people who have had routine STD screenings over six to twelve months and have not had ANY sexual contact in that entire time. Regardless of your previous STD status, the very second you have sex, the window period starts again.
So in response to Meaty's comment about STD tests being worthless...
Why should sex workers be regularly tested? Because many STDs can cause long-term health problems like PID, infertility and even cancer in women if they are not detected and treated early. A sex worker needs to have regular tests to protect HER OWN health.
How does this benefit you, as clients? IT DOESN'T!! This is one of the main reasons why sex worker organisations and health workers argue AGAINST (Government enforced) mandatory testing of sex workers - because it creates a false sense of security amongst clients. If men believe that the girl is 'safe', they are more likely to request (or even take by force) unprotected sex.
The simple fact is, if you indulge in unsafe sex practices, it doesn't matter whether the girl has a test once a week or once a year - you still run the risk of infection. Remember: If a girl you have never met before offers to blow you or have sex with you without a condom, regardless of what she says (you're so cute, you're paying more, you're so kind to her, blah, blah, blah) you can pretty much be assured that SHE PROBABLY DOES IT FOR EVERYONE!! (And for the record, that goes for every girl/guy you have sex with, hooker or not).
The 'safest' sex you can have is with a worker who insists on strict condom use and WILL NOT compromise, no matter what the offer or circumstances. That way you can probably assume that every client before you has done the same thing.
....A sex worker needs to have regular tests to protect HER OWN health....How does this benefit you, as clients? IT DOESN'T!! .....
Exactly what i was thinking, but i wasn't sure i was right, good post.
Rubber Nursey
07-26-06, 07:42
I should add, just for the record, that a sex worker who has regular STD tests AND consistently uses condoms, is going to present a much smaller risk to you in case of an accident, like the condom breaking or coming off. Obviously, there is always a slight risk of condom failure and because of that, a sex worker who takes care of her own sexual health is always going to be a safer option than one who couldn't care less.
However, that only applies to real accidents - not when she 'accidentally' lets you come in her mouth or 'accidentally' gets carried away and starts having sex with you without a condom! Like I said before, if she does that to you, she's more than likely done it to others.
The Traveler
07-26-06, 19:10
Rubber Nursey,
absolutely correct.
We should also add, that girls can easily get around those tests in case the test is more than a slogan at the bar or gogo.
Johnson994
07-27-06, 07:20
What u mean u're living with it ? Don't underestimate your symptoms, go to a doctor immediately , best thing to do is a swab test to find out what kind of bacterial is responsible for your disharge.Don't worry is not painfull,very easy and fast.If you got problem with it lets go to the pharmacy and buy treatment for both gonnhorea and clamydia so you'll be sure to kill anything.
If you have synptoms since long time already it wil be harder to erase bacterials so I suggest you what I named HIROSHIMA Therapy wich consists taking two different drugs at the same time.
I'm not a doctor I'm just telling u what did work for me and for my friends...None of them has been disappointed with H.Therapy :
TROBICIN 2gr. inj.(Spectinomicin chlorid.) - 1 vial a day for 3 days .(it will erase Neisseria Ghonorrea)
ERYTHROMYCIN 500 mg.tbl. ( Erythrocyn) - 2000 mg. empty stomach ( 4 tbl. a day) for 2 weeks (it will erase any Non Specyfical Urethritis including Clamydia etc.etc..).
Side effect due to Hiroshima Therapy :
Antibiotics destroy any kind of bacterials in your body, bad and good ones so you might have symptoms like diarrhea , candida albicans , etcc.. Try to take some vitamins during this therapy and in case you got candida (kind of fungus in your penis) don't worry , just use some cream, once you end therapy you're gonna be ok.
Trust me this is the only way to erase both Gonhorrea and NSU even if you got symptoms since long time and you've becomed chronic.
Therapy is strong but it worked for me and for many fellows like me.
Ps/ Anyway it's a very long time since then I'm using gloves and I suggest u doing the same.
Yes. I am living with it. I had been going to the doctors many times taking many diffrent medecines. While taking it would start to feel better but it would never get rid of it and the symptoms came back. The one thing I did not do what the doctors told not to do was not to have sex. Since they tried every thing I gave up and I am living with it. I just make the best of it.
Rubber Nursey
07-28-06, 04:44
Yes. I am living with it. I had been going to the doctors many times taking many diffrent medecines. While taking it would start to feel better but it would never get rid of it and the symptoms came back. The one thing I did not do what the doctors told not to do was not to have sex. Since they tried every thing I gave up and I am living with it. I just make the best of it.
Living with it??? Unless you've got HIV or herpes, in this day and age there is no excuse for 'living with' an STD! *IF* you went to the doctor and got properly diagnosed with an infection and *IF* you followed the treatment regime to the letter, it should have cleared up by now. Yes, sometimes there are bugs that are a little harder to budge than others, but that's why follow-up checks and (if still infected) continued treatment are imperative until you get the all-clear from your doctor.
Aside from discontinuing treatment before the course of antibiotics was finished, there is only one thing that I can think of that would explain why you're still sick - you've been having unprotected sex with your wife/girlfriend/FB and reinfecting yourself. If that is the case, then you should be thoroughly ashamed of your selfish, irresponsible behaviour. A) It means you participated in sexual activity whilst infected, knowing full well that you could infect your partner and B) It means that your partner currently has an STD that can do SERIOUS harm to her body and you obviously haven't told her that she has it. Women very rarely get symptoms of STDs like chlamydia and gonorrhea, so they have no idea they have it unless they get screened. A women in a relationship would probably not consider that she NEEDS an STD test unless her partner tells her that she is at risk. Without treatment, STDs in women can cause PID, infertility and cancer - PID can even result in death in some cases. Is keeping your infidelity (and the resultant infection) secret, really worth your partners life?
If I've got the wrong idea here, then I apologise profusely - but if what I've said is the truth, then you had better get yourself AND YOUR PARTNER to a doctor, ASAP, and get this sorted. If you're not being reinfected by a partner, and your problem really is because the treatment just didn't work, you cannot run around having sex with sex workers or other women - condom or not - whilst KNOWINGLY infected. GET BACK TO THE DOCTOR.
MarcoStraight
07-30-06, 19:27
Yes. I am living with it. I had been going to the doctors many times taking many diffrent medecines. While taking it would start to feel better but it would never get rid of it and the symptoms came back. The one thing I did not do what the doctors told not to do was not to have sex. Since they tried every thing I gave up and I am living with it. I just make the best of it.
I agree with Rubber Nursey...no excuse for living with STD . Soon your so called light symptoms like disharge or hitching will turn in a nightmare , your prostate gland will be the first organ paying consequence of your "easy behaviour". The fact you can't erase the problem sounds to me you keep on banging without protection....In this case there's no cure in the world ...
Good luck.
Johnson994
07-31-06, 21:41
I agree with Rubber Nursey...no excuse for living with STD . Soon your so called light symptoms like disharge or hitching will turn in a nightmare , your prostate gland will be the first organ paying consequence of your "easy behaviour". The fact you can't erase the problem sounds to me you keep on banging without protection....In this case there's no cure in the world ...
Good luck.What will happen?
MarcoStraight
08-01-06, 07:53
What will happen?
A ) Local complications
Littritis
Balanoposthitis
Acute epididymo-orchitis
cystitis
acute and chronic prostatitis
acute proctocolitis
paraurethral abscess
urethral stricture
B) Systemic complications
Pneumonia
Endocarditis
Heart problem
Stroke
Acute perihepetitis (Fitz-Hugh-Curtis Syndrome)
C) Long term complications
* Infertility
* Impotence
* Pelvic inflammatory diseases
* Salpingitis
* Skenitis
* Bartholinitis
* Cystitis
In other words... bacterials will invade your organs all...
......Again Good Luck
Asian John
08-08-06, 18:03
I've had an interesting couple of experiences I'd like to share and get some feedback. Twice in the last 2 months or so, I've encountered a RED condom at 2 different establishments in Chiang Mai. My sexy provider supplied a strawberry condom that I thought was kind of cool. At first. We started the deed, then as I withdrew my dick to slap it around some on her pussy, I noticed my hand was stained a bit red. Yup, she was on her period! The first time, I thought this was a one-time "woops" by my provider. However, yesterday, it happened again. She happened to supply me with another RED condom. She sat on me for awhile, then as I rotated up on top of her, I pulled out for a sec. Then as I reinserted myself, I noticed some red on my hand. Once again, she was on her period. It kind of freaks me out to see the blood for obvious reasons. I immediately got up and washed up. The girl was very apologetic, but then the RED condom has my suspicions.
Here's my suspicion -- Either they know they are very close to having their period so they use a RED condom as a "just in case" -- or, they know full well they are on their period and try to get a quickie in hoping I don't notice. Either way, they purposely use a RED condom for deception.
Anyone else have a similar experience?
Angel Eyes
08-08-06, 18:36
I've had an interesting couple of experiences I'd like to share and get some feedback. Twice in the last 2 months or so, I've encountered a RED condom at 2 different establishments in Chiang Mai. My sexy provider supplied a strawberry condom that I thought was kind of cool. At first. We started the deed, then as I withdrew my dick to slap it around some on her pussy, I noticed my hand was stained a bit red. Yup, she was on her period! The first time, I thought this was a one-time "woops" by my provider. However, yesterday, it happened again. She happened to supply me with another RED condom. She sat on me for awhile, then as I rotated up on top of her, I pulled out for a sec. Then as I reinserted myself, I noticed some red on my hand. Once again, she was on her period. It kind of freaks me out to see the blood for obvious reasons. I immediately got up and washed up. The girl was very apologetic, but then the RED condom has my suspicions.
Here's my suspicion -- Either they know they are very close to having their period so they use a RED condom as a "just in case" -- or, they know full well they are on their period and try to get a quickie in hoping I don't notice. Either way, they purposely use a RED condom for deception.
Anyone else have a similar experience?
No, but I WILL remember that!
Here's my suspicion -- Either they know they are very close to having their period so they use a RED condom as a "just in case" -- or, they know full well they are on their period and try to get a quickie in hoping I don't notice. Either way, they purposely use a RED condom for deception.
Anyone else have a similar experience?Sounds a bit strange to me. Have the girls in Thailand never heard of "soft tampons", "sponges" and similar devices they can push up their vagina to soak up the menstrual blood? This method is much safer for the girl - not for the customer of course - then a red condom. If a girl uses a sponge during her period you will never notice unless the smell gives her away, which is not always the case.
Greets
Harry
The Traveler
08-10-06, 20:02
Have the girls in Thailand never heard of "soft tampons", "sponges" and similar devices they can push up their vagina to soak up the menstrual blood?
Harry,
they have and they use them, but like everywhere else, different people have different preferences.
I know some girls who prefer sponges, others like tampons and some simply prefer sanitary napkins.
To each it's own.
M P Lurker
08-27-06, 01:15
Sounds a bit strange to me. Have the girls in Thailand never heard of "soft tampons", "sponges" and similar devices they can push up their vagina to soak up the menstrual blood? This method is much safer for the girl - not for the customer of course - then a red condom. If a girl uses a sponge during her period you will never notice unless the smell gives her away, which is not always the case.
HarryHarry,
I'm pleased to report that not many Thai girls use Sponges and not pleased to report that many Thai girls are too shy to have sex during their period.
This is a bad problem if the girl is your girlfriend and you are particularly horny.
Many Thai girls have very short vaginas without a sponge cutting off a good percentage of the length.
At Poseidon one girl continually denied having a sponge in, even after my finger confirmed it absolutely without doubt, but eventually took it out on the sly without me seeing it.
I am often suspicious re a girl using a sponge if I m having difficulty getting my cock in very far. A sponge wrecks the feel completely.
A simple finger in the pussy will then confirm that the sponge is in and often not very far down.
Sponges are a hazard to Condoms. When the sponge rubs against the condom, it can break. This happened to me 2 years ago while vigorously fucking a beautiful romanian girl in an FKK club in Frankfurt. Suprisingly she wasn't that upset that the condom broke and seemed to believe that the sponge was extra protection even though it broke the condom. I never let her use a sponge after that and she has been superb always.
Might be of interest here: a ( subjective! ) report about the risks of getting infected with STDs in the local P4P scene.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=499576
Giotto
Any time you see a guy/bloke/fella drinking water in a bar in Pattaya, the chances are he has the clap or something worse. There are no educated hookers there, there are no ways of saying a bar girl is riskier than a freelancer and a go go girl is half safe. They are all from the same neck of the woods. They are all uneducated rice famers' daughters and many of them have been FORCED into unsafe sex. Pattaya is rife with the clap. In Soi 6 short time hotels, they can have 15 or more punters a day pumping into them. You can imagine the type of shit goes on at Boyztown, the discos, Beach Road etc.
If you don't want a nasty souvenir, stick with the same bird, always wear a condom and blah blah blah. Any time you move from that, you are taking a risk. Anybody ho says othersise is giving you a bum steer/bad advice. setting you up for a clinic visit.
You are not the only horny dude/fella/chap arriving in Pattaya. Lots others are playing the odds too. They arrive by the planeload at all hours of the day and night. Ask a few of the slappers how many want bareback from them. The good thing about this lottery is most get a chance to win. Every single hooker in Thailand is high risk and if you think otherwise, buy blueberries and lots of liquids.
Regarding the clap never believe anything you read on the net. If you do, you will be drinking water and pissing blades.
Cheers.
M P Lurker
08-27-06, 20:35
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=500019&postcount=2162
I posted in the wrong thread really but was partially agreeing with "Martians" in some ways, howoever extended the comment well beyond regular working girls, but concentrating on HIV (the really dangerous one) more so.
"Some reports say it is impossible to catch Clamydia from a blow job but I remain un-convinced."
I think that is wise. I can promise you that you can contract Clamydia from getting a blowjob.
Actually, that is the most common way to contract it today among teenagers.
Take care.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=500019&postcount=2162
I posted in the wrong thread really but was partially agreeing with "Martians" in some ways, howoever extended the comment well beyond regular working girls, but concentrating on HIV (the really dangerous one) more so.
Decided to heed the logical advice of several posters on this thread to buy my Viagra in BKK ‘cause it’s cheap, but my condoms at home ‘cause the home variety are supposedly larger, better, and less likely to break at that most critical moment. Went to Wal-Mart - the American icon of value. Picked out a box of 12 of USA’s finest rubbers. Brought them home. Only then looked closely at the box. “Made in Thailand,” it said. Hummm.
Daddy
Retired Army
09-06-06, 09:34
"Some reports say it is impossible to catch Clamydia from a blow job but I remain un-convinced."
I think that is wise. I can promise you that you can contract Clamydia from getting a blowjob.
Actually, that is the most common way to contract it today among teenagers.
Take care.
What's the difference between the throat and the vagina to bacteria? All they want is a warm, moist place and they will happily multiply and thrive.
Retired Army
09-06-06, 09:43
Decided to heed the logical advice of several posters on this thread to buy my Viagra in BKK ‘cause it’s cheap, but my condoms at home ‘cause the home variety are supposedly larger, better, and less likely to break at that most critical moment. Went to Wal-Mart - the American icon of value. Picked out a box of 12 of USA’s finest rubbers. Brought them home. Only then looked closely at the box. “Made in Thailand,” it said. Hummm.
Daddy
Yes, isn't that strange; but, apparently they are export only because you have a hard time finding larger condoms here. It's not impossible, but difficult. Some of the Thai manufacturers do market a larger condom in Thailand. It's better to bring your own favorite brand from the States. I tried the regular Thai brand Durex once and couldn't get it on because it was too small. Others have reported that they break easily because they are streached too much on a farang schlong. Never tried the larger ones so I can't comment. Try the web site for condom depot: they have some very interesting items.
Are you sure a dozen condoms is enough? How many days are you staying?
Yes, isn't that strange; but, apparently they are export only because you have a hard time finding larger condoms here. It's not impossible, but difficult. Some of the Thai manufacturers do market a larger condom in Thailand. It's better to bring your own favorite brand from the States. I tried the regular Thai brand Durex once and couldn't get it on because it was too small. Others have reported that they break easily because they are streached too much on a farang schlong. Never tried the larger ones so I can't comment. Try the web site for condom depot: they have some very interesting items.
Are you sure a dozen condoms is enough? How many days are you staying?Have you ever tried the Durex Excitex (I am not sure if I get the spelling right). They are bigger and a bit more expensive (I think 58 Baht for 3 available in every 7/11). I allways stock up in Thailand and carry them to HK and China, because I didn't find them outside Thailand yet. They come in black boxes. Don't mistake them with Kingtex, which are too small.
What's the difference between the throat and the vagina to bacteria? All they want is a warm, moist place and they will happily multiply and thrive.I have a bit of knowledge here. The difference between betwen a vagina and a mouth is that a mouth is 'dirtier'!
I visited an STD clinic in Aus last year, after an encounter with someone dodgy, and although I was OK, I was informed by the expert doctor that it is entirely possible to get it that way, and Syph and Gon, if it is also there. However, he said, and most resources now say ( and don't treat this as an excuse to go bareback) that Hep C is pretty much impossible to contract unless you have an infected knob.
Chalymidia is however fucken rampant, and rarely has symptoms in both sexes until too late, so beware.
Anyone who goes bareback with a working girl is a fucken idiot, like not wearing a seatbelt, eventually your luck will run out!
Retired Army
09-06-06, 13:41
Have you ever tried the Durex Excitex (I am not sure if I get the spelling right). They are bigger and a bit more expensive (I think 58 Baht for 3 available in every 7/11). I allways stock up in Thailand and carry them to HK and China, because I didn't find them outside Thailand yet. They come in black boxes. Don't mistake them with Kingtex, which are too small.
No, I have never tried them. When I need comdoms I order them over the internet. There is a special one my GF really likes called the Ria Wrangler. It has raised ribs on the head and raised dots on the shaft for that "rough" ride.
[QUOTE=Retired Army] Are you sure a dozen condoms is enough? How many days are you staying?
Gee, R.T., now I'm not so sure. I'm staying 3 weeks. Do you think maybe if they don't break, I could use some of them twice? At $3.72 US for the whole box of 12, I thought they were kinda eaxpensive. :D
Daddy
Chalymidia is however fucken rampant, and rarely has symptoms in both sexes until too late, so beware.Actually chlamydia is frequently asymptomatic in women but most of the time (80%+ I believe) causes a painful unit in men. It is pretty easily treatable with antibiotics. Some of the other bugs are much harder to treat as we all know.
PB
M P Lurker
09-08-06, 05:51
Yes, isn't that strange; but, apparently they are export only because you have a hard time finding larger condoms here. It's not impossible, but difficult. Some of the Thai manufacturers do market a larger condom in Thailand. It's better to bring your own favorite brand from the States. I tried the regular Thai brand Durex once and couldn't get it on because it was too small. Others have reported that they break easily because they are streached too much on a farang schlong. Never tried the larger ones so I can't comment. Try the web site for condom depot: they have some very interesting items.
Are you sure a dozen condoms is enough? How many days are you staying?
The Durex 54mm nominal width with bulb shaped knob is avail these days in most 7/11 in Sukhumwit area. This is a thin condom with comfortable fit for good feeling (big enough for most guys but maybe not all). Packet is dark blue with a small pink streak.
A couple of years back seemed to have to go to patpong to get them.
Standard Thai size is 49mm (small) and 52mm is the common medium size.
I have seen size 56mm is Germany but not in Thailand.
Most girls prefer the smooth "Riap" style but some may like rough ones.
Good lube is essential as lack of lube is sure way for condoms to break (or rubbing against a girl with a sponge inside is another way to break condoms) . KY is is crap (too sticky), although the newer KY warming liquid is a big improvement. Lubafax a little better.
Condomi (available in Germany) make really big tubes of really great lube gel (also Ritex) that is not sticky and almost tasteless. Never found anything else as good. Not sure if can be bought in other countries.
In Thailand the Durex "Play" is o.k. gel but still on the sticky side. I go for this one if I run out.
Kingtex, as Tiger1 said, is probably the tighest fit condom around and quite uncomfortable for some despite the name. Must be reverse psychology I guess.
The Traveler
09-09-06, 00:10
Any time you see a guy/bloke/fella drinking water in a bar in Pattaya, the chances are he has the clap or something worse.
Martians,
could you please explain why drinking water indicates a VD ?
I have absolutely no VD or anything worse but like to drink water. It's the best drink anybody can have, no sugar, no alcohol.
Traveler1234
09-09-06, 01:41
Martians,
could you please explain why drinking water indicates a VD ?
I have absolutely no VD or anything worse but like to drink water. It's the best drink anybody can have, no sugar, no alcohol.
TT
I guess I must have a chronic STD infection - when I walk into the sports bar at Mr. G's, they know to bring a big bottle of water to me. Damn, that's why even the Duck and the Pesky one ignored me
RLMAO :D
The Traveler
09-09-06, 09:28
T1234,
that explains it !
I was wondering why you walked so strange. I thought you must either be a cowboy or have sore balls for whatever reason. Or maybe both.
Also your hat and the spures at your boots were a bit irritating for me, but I thought they were remains of your last visit to the dungeon :)
Strikesfun
09-09-06, 21:48
With the change of carryon and no liquids for air travel. I am looking for a place to get good lube in around nana in bkk. i do not like ky. I have used Euros germany product. Need something that is not sticky. thanks strikesfun
QUOTE=Mick Licker]The Durex 54mm nominal width with bulb shaped knob is avail these days in most 7/11 in Sukhumwit area. This is a thin condom with comfortable fit for good feeling (big enough for most guys but maybe not all). Packet is dark blue with a small pink streak.
A couple of years back seemed to have to go to patpong to get them.
Standard Thai size is 49mm (small) and 52mm is the common medium size.
I have seen size 56mm is Germany but not in Thailand.
Most girls prefer the smooth "Riap" style but some may like rough ones.
Good lube is essential as lack of lube is sure way for condoms to break (or rubbing against a girl with a sponge inside is another way to break condoms) . KY is is crap (too sticky), although the newer KY warming liquid is a big improvement. Lubafax a little better.
Condomi (available in Germany) make really big tubes of really great lube gel (also Ritex) that is not sticky and almost tasteless. Never found anything else as good. Not sure if can be bought in other countries.
In Thailand the Durex "Play" is o.k. gel but still on the sticky side. I go for this one if I run out.
Kingtex, as Tiger1 said, is probably the tighest fit condom around and quite uncomfortable for some despite the name. Must be reverse psychology I guess.[/QUOTE]
Member #3409
09-09-06, 23:52
With the change of carryon and no liquids for air travel. I am looking for a place to get good lube in around nana in bkk. i do not like ky. I have used Euros germany product. Need something that is not sticky. thanks strikesfun
Put your lube in your checked in luggage. There is no problem in doing that, the only liquid bans are in carry on, and even then it is only on some very limited routes.
Kingtex, as Tiger1 said, is probably the tighest fit condom around and quite uncomfortable for some despite the name. Must be reverse psychology I guess.I just found some further information:
Kingtex: 49 mm (the name is ridiculous), most other Durex Condoms 52 mm, Excita: 53 mm, Comfort: 54 mm
So no wonder the Kingtex is a squeeze on.
Some of the readers will have followed a discussion in the "Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok" thread about risk assessment for the transmission of STDs / HIV. Some people are still dealing quite irresponsible with that information about HIV and STD's in the Fight Club and using it in the context of a very low level controversy. To all those who are seriously interested in facts here a link to an informative website about the issue:
http://www.sfaf.org/aids101/transmission.html
Established in 1982, the San Francisco AIDS Foundation is one of the oldest and largest community-based AIDS service organizations in the United States.
In topic "Requirements for Transmission to Occur" it is clearly stated:
"3. ...and it must get into the bloodstream.
It is not enough to come into contact with an infected fluid to become infected. Healthy, unbroken skin does not allow HIV to get into the body; it is an excellent barrier to HIV infection. HIV can enter only through an open cut or sore, or through contact with the mucous membranes in the anus and rectum, the genitals, the mouth, and the eyes."
During the discussion in the "Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok" thread it was pointed out by another poster, that there is a transmission risk via normal skin because microscopical cuts may exist, caused by smaller injuries, pedicure etc. .
There is nothing more to say about this issue. Everybody may decide for himself how he considers the risk of having microscopical cuts at his fingers which could cause a transmission of the virus into the bloodstream. I also believe that nobody with an open cut or sore at his fingers will seriously bring this wound into contact with female body fluids.
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Though I am quite sure this post will cause replies with more nonsense in the Fight Club I feel responsible for what I wrote before in my risks assessment report. This is the reason why I clarify this issue here, it is simply too important.
Giotto
Matrix Corp
10-11-06, 01:55
martians,
could you please explain why drinking water indicates a vd ?
i have absolutely no vd or anything worse but like to drink water. it's the best drink anybody can have, no sugar, no alcohol.martians is probably referencing hep c with his water comment. people with hep c are told to avoid any substances toxic to the liver, including alcohol. even moderate amounts of alcohol speed up the progression of hepatitis c, and alcohol reduces the effectiveness of treatment. nonetheless, i still wouldn't draw the conclusion he did.
SweetAndBitter
10-11-06, 07:18
Hi!
I´m not experienced in Bangoko Thai brothels and MP's. I will try them first time in November/December. But when I bring my "Dentist" fluid with me do they rinse out their mouths by request. This is a rather way to avoid some STD´s. I practise that for mostly 8-10 years with girls and never had a STD based on mouth transmitted pests.
I use Betaisodona and Hexeditin
Cheers, SAB
At Sweet and Bitter: "I use Betaisodona and Hexeditin".
Allow me the question: when and where do you use it? Only when you condom brakes or everytime as a prophylaxis ? Before or after ?
I allways carry some "wound desinfection spray" from europe with me. It doesn`t burn, just cools, which is sometimes pretty nice :-). I only use it when madam was very very wet and I fear having gotten to much liquids everywhere. So I clean with the spray after washing .
SweetAndBitter
10-14-06, 13:38
@Higgins T: I t is only effective on bacterium in the mouth. I rinse out my mouth (and the girls mouth) before and after. This turns down the risk of infections but only on bacterial transferable STD´s. Better then nothing.
Cheers, SAB
@sweet and bitter: ha ha, thank you very much for telling me - it's for the mouth! Otherwise, I would have probably put my willie in it! I think, I'll stay with the desinfection spray since I avoid bbj, I don't need betaisadona. I avoid any "bare"-contacts just to go sure and not bring home a souvenier.
Good luck to you!
Actually chlamydia is frequently asymptomatic in women but most of the time (80%+ I believe) causes a painful unit in men. It is pretty easily treatable with antibiotics. Some of the other bugs are much harder to treat as we all know.
PBI think we'll have to agree to disagree on the % ( oh and by the way, sorry about the typo, drinking beer and typing do not go together very well!). Some reports say 50% of men are asymptomatic, some say less.
Treatment- yeah, easy, however, wrt Giotto's thread, the big danger with HIV is that anyone with an existing STI ( or STD- depending on your terminology) is at greater risk from getting infected with HIV, not just because of sores- they are fucken obvious, but because of an inflamed urethra in the case of a man. Most STIs will cause an inflamed urethra, which may be just below the threshold of reportable symptoms of an STI.
In Australia, the WGs at brothels give your dick a thorough examination before use, and even though it's covered sex, they will turn you down if you have any kind of lesion on your dick, or substantial reddening of your Jap's eye!
There's a lot of shit spoken about HIV, but sure as fuck unprotected sex is a good way of getting it. Interestingly, HIV strains are starting to show resistance to current treatment due to mutation. Retroviruses like HIV are bastards to treat in the first place, and there are few points of vulnrability- reverse transcriptase from memory is the best, and viruses such as HIV which have in all probability crossed the species barrier, tend to be adept at mutating.
So anyone who believes that they can take the risk, and if they get infected live on a cocktail of drugs for many years, be aware, science has not caught up with viruses, which have been around for as long as DNA/RNA. Specifically RNA viruses like HIV 'exploit all mechanisms of genetic variation to ensure their survival'.
Comonsense is required here chaps, and there is plenty of info on the safe sex forum, I think.
Pete
one of my biggest pet peeves are these uneducated rice village girls that work in the go go bars. they don't tell anyone that they're on their period, not even mamasan.
this is the second time i've f*ck a girl and found blood on the condom. the last girl got emotionally upset because i lost all interest in sex after that, she kept asking me "why?"
talk about unsafe!
SweetAndBitter
10-25-06, 09:08
one of my biggest pet peeves are these uneducated rice village girls that work in the go go bars. they don't tell anyone that they're on their period, not even mamasan.
this is the second time i've f*ck a girl and found blood on the condom. the last girl got emotionally upset because i lost all interest in sex after that, she kept asking me "why?"
talk about unsafe!blood is the main carrier for std´s - absolutely unsafe - even with condom! if you have scratches in any kind this is like suicide!
cheers,
sab
The Traveler
10-31-06, 01:35
Some of the readers will have followed a discussion in the "Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok" thread about risk assessment for the transmission of STDs / HIV. Some people are still dealing quite irresponsible with that information about HIV and STD's in the Fight Club and using it in the context of a very low level controversy. To all those who are seriously interested in facts here a link to an informative website about the issue:
http://www.sfaf.org/aids101/transmission.html
Established in 1982, the San Francisco AIDS Foundation is one of the oldest and largest community-based AIDS service organizations in the United States.
In topic "Requirements for Transmission to Occur" it is clearly stated:
"3. ...and it must get into the bloodstream.
It is not enough to come into contact with an infected fluid to become infected. Healthy, unbroken skin does not allow HIV to get into the body; it is an excellent barrier to HIV infection. HIV can enter only through an open cut or sore, or through contact with the mucous membranes in the anus and rectum, the genitals, the mouth, and the eyes."
During the discussion in the "Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok" thread it was pointed out by another poster, that there is a transmission risk via normal skin because microscopical cuts may exist, caused by smaller injuries, pedicure etc. .
There is nothing more to say about this issue. Everybody may decide for himself how he considers the risk of having microscopical cuts at his fingers which could cause a transmission of the virus into the bloodstream. I also believe that nobody with an open cut or sore at his fingers will seriously bring this wound into contact with female body fluids.
Seems that those "microscopic wounds" still keep you busy :)
Just a side note :
I personally would be very careful giving advice or adjusting my behaviour depending on something that has been written on the web, especially regarding this subject. All sorts of nonsense can be found at the web, there are even websites which claim that unprotected sex is safe or even that HIV/AIDS does not exist at all. You can find a website for any sort of argumentation, so only relying on a webpage can be risky.
I rather stick to the ever valid rule "better safe than sorry".
Seems that those "microscopic wounds" still keep you busy :)
Just a side note :
I personally would be very careful giving advice or adjusting my behaviour depending on something that has been written on the web, especially regarding this subject. All sorts of nonsense can be found at the web, there are even websites which claim that unprotected sex is safe or even that HIV/AIDS does not exist at all. You can find a website for any sort of argumentation, so only relying on a webpage can be risky.
I rather stick to the ever valid rule "better safe than sorry".
You are totally correct in all aspects. Only tonight I got covered in blood from a twat who wanted to fight with me in a hospital energency depertment. The staff there get it all the time, and although they shouldn't have told me, they said that the patient was not infectious for what we worry about.
Condoms are 100% safe when used properly. Shit, I even argue with my wife about this and she is a science teacher with a degree in pharmacology. Sometimes people believe shit that is published. Yeah, people may get HIV with condoms, but were the condoms used properly? Personally, when I shagged a certain Thai girl, I almost willed the condom to come off(!) and indeed it broke- it was a Thai version, because men heve that need to fel skin on skin. As a protective barrier, condoms are the best. In N. Ireland, the IRA bastards used to use them as incendiary devices because it would take so long for acid to burn through one!
Modern OH+S policies dictate certain regimes, but again, even a nurse I spoke to tonight ( fuck me guys if I could get a pic of her you would all cum just looking at it!) said that they get covered in blood- and they deal with drug fucked arseholes all the time.
There are transmission methods, and I think for anyone who has half a brain it is pretty simple:
Mucus membrane to mucus membrane, blood to blood or skin lesion=chance of infection.
Tounge to clit, minimal. Tounge inside vagina - minimal, unless in both cases you have witnesses.
Just cover up!
SweetAndBitter
10-31-06, 23:57
Condoms are 100% safe when used properly. There is no 100% in the universe!
Think about shaving wounds, scratches or did you use a full body suit? :-))
Cheers,
SAB
Seems that those "microscopic wounds" still keep you busy :)
Just a side note :
I personally would be very careful giving advice or adjusting my behaviour depending on something that has been written on the web, especially regarding this subject. All sorts of nonsense can be found at the web, there are even websites which claim that unprotected sex is safe or even that HIV/AIDS does not exist at all. You can find a website for any sort of argumentation, so only relying on a webpage can be risky.
I rather stick to the ever valid rule "better safe than sorry".
Dealing with probability means that there is never a 0% or 100% probability possible.
Lets just take 2 members:
The sex safety pope The Traveler, is avoiding obviously much more risk then Giotto and many other members in his precautions.
The rock bottom Bareback Creamepie fucker Opebo, who given a chance for cheap pussy below 500 baht somwhere countryside will not at all hesitate satisfy his needs, despite all warnings.
Everybody might agree that the probability to catch aids is much lower for The Traveler then Opebo following Giotto's heavily discussed risk asessment where everybody has its own opinion.
However there is still a remaining (non 0%) risk that The Traveler might catch aids due to some overseen scratch/ other risk he not considered and Opebo not, juist beeing lucky or whyever.
Probability is low, but the risk is clearly there.
Its all about the risk we are willing to take, by 'taking' every plane, car, crossing, women. Every second we do this decisions for life saving. The Traveler is still to risky in some peoples opinion (maybe not member of this board)
regaqrds
Brain666
Lets just take 2 members:
The sex safety pope The Traveler, is avoiding obviously much more risk then Giotto and many other members in his precautions.
The rock bottom Bareback Creamepie fucker Opebo, who given a chance for cheap pussy below 500 baht somwhere countryside will not at all hesitate satisfy his needs, despite all warnings.
Everybody might agree that the probability to catch aids is much lower for The Traveler then Opebo following Giotto's heavily discussed risk asessment where everybody has its own opinion.
However there is still a remaining (non 0%) risk that The Traveler might catch aids due to some overseen scratch/ other risk he not considered and Opebo not, juist beeing lucky or whyever.
Thank you for the notariety. Of course I don't consider my activities excessively risky. Keep in mind that it is safest not to engage in this hobby, but to stay at home and masturbate. Masturbation has the bonus of actually being more fun than plastic sex. As for me, I'll take the real thing.
Aaarrrggghhh... it does not end.
OK.
Correct, there is a lot nonsense written about HIV/AIDS, especially in websites. Whether the website I mentioned here contains shit - everybody might judge by himself, just read it:
http://www.sfaf.org/aids101/transmission.html
And what The Traveler and Opebo are doing - most likely they have their own risk assessment... :) .
BTW, much more interesting: an official HIV infection rate for sex workers published in the Bangkok Post from Monday: 10.8 % . Number from a government agency, don't remember the name in the moment.
Giotto
Had a discussion with one girl from Biergarten last Saturday, during the Ice Hockey event. She gave me a short lesson about HIV/Aids.
She had a friend which had AIDS ("HIV positive"). This friend was married and had (necessarily) a husband. Both never use condoms, and the husband still has no "AIDS" (is still HIV negative).
I asked: "What you want to tell me with that?"
She answered: "They don't use condom, and he not become infected!"
I said: "Wow!"
She looked at me with the knowledge of a teacher!
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I think I don't have to mention here in this forum that THIS IS DANGEROUS NONSENSE! There are many cases like this described in the internet, and some "horse" doctors support funny theories - but THAT IS RUSSIAN ROULETTE!
Take condoms, guys, ALWAYS.
Giotto
PS: Side Note: Biergarten is DANGEROUS (in my POV).
Traveler1234
11-01-06, 22:47
PS: Side Note: Biergarten is DANGEROUS (in my POV).
Mr. G:
Only been to Biergarten a couple of times for TG and have been to Gulliver (but for dinner only). But have heard/read that the girls from Biergarten head over to Gulliver later in the evening? If so, that would mean same warning for Gulliver...right?
The Corn Hole
11-01-06, 23:06
Had a discussion with one girl from Biergarten last Saturday, during the Ice Hockey event. She gave me a short lesson about HIV/Aids.
She had a friend which had AIDS ("HIV positive"). This friend was married and had (necessarily) a husband. Both never use condoms, and the husband still has no "AIDS" (is still HIV negative).
I asked: "What you want to tell me with that?"
She answered: "They don't use condom, and he not become infected!"
I said: "Wow!"
She looked at me with the knowledge of a teacher!
------
I think I don't have to mention here in this forum that THIS IS DANGEROUS NONSENSE! There are many cases like this described in the internet, and some "horse" doctors support funny theories - but THAT IS RUSSIAN ROULETTE!
Take condoms, guys, ALWAYS.
Giotto
PS: Side Note: Biergarten is DANGEROUS (in my POV).
It's not really russian roulette in my eyes. If she takes her meds regularly her viral load is probably at minute levels in her blood which means it will not be present in her vaginal fluids at all. That is the cold hard fact about HIV certain PC groups try to always dismiss, or base all there findings on certain conclusions with a very limited amount of data behind them. Even if her viral load was high (the onset of infection) it is unlikely to show up in large quantities in her vagina. During her period perhaps but it still would be at a low level and extremely unlikely to be passed to a male partner. FACT not theory.
I will say that this particular woman you are referring to is perhaps putting her husband at a greater risk of transmission than say a man who goes around barebacking random girls (pro or non), because usually (as any doctor who has done extensive research in STDs will tell you) it usually takes multiple exposures to the virus to become infected. FACT not theory.
HIV is and always was a blood borne pathogen, the primary method of transmission is and always has been through blood contact. Semen is the fluid that can also carry it but in less significant quantities. Vaginal fluid has never been scientifically proven to have a comparable level of the virus to the former two. FACT not theory.
Aaarrrggghhh... it does not end.
..........
BTW, much more interesting: an official HIV infection rate for sex workers published in the Bangkok Post from Monday: 10.8 % . Number from a government agency, don't remember the name in the moment.
Giotto
This info give us the best chance to probebly forever exchange our risk asessment opinions in judging the %age of girls HIV infected.
Let me start with some examples:
10,8% average of sex workers could give us:
13% Pattaya and 9 % Bangkok average change of beeing affected.
Starting from the 9% Bangkok average rate probably 5 % GoGo Girls (who are sometimes, but not always checked) and 15% Biergarden and 13,5% Gulivers and 2% Giotto's Lodge Sports bar girls and 25% Opepo's favourite girls.
Just for example.
other Polls?
regards
Brain666
Mr. G:
Only been to Biergarten a couple of times for TG and have been to Gulliver (but for dinner only). But have heard/read that the girls from Biergarten head over to Gulliver later in the evening? If so, that would mean same warning for Gulliver...right?Traveler1234,
If you want my honest opinion - YES! YES! YES! And that is valid for ALL FREELANCER BARS in Thailand, including CM2 and Spasso!
I know that many people don't want to hear that.
Let me tell you a bit about my experiences. I started my mongering in Asia in 1998 in Singapore, Orchard Tower. There are places where freelancers work. A place (Top Ten), where a girl costs S$ 300.00 (and more) for a night (that time MORE THAN THAT!). Top Ten was (now closed) an up-market place in Singapore.
I got into contact with a group if Pattaya working girls, all traveling to Singapore, Hongkong - some of them to Phuket (Banana). I still keep contact to ONE girl of this group ( Nok Noi, a real friend, never slept with her. When she talked about men, she always added: Why are all of them so stupid? ) , who is today 47 years old.
HIV / AIDS has left a deep scar in this group. The sister of my friend died of AIDS a year ago, and so did 4 other members of this group. Another 4 are infected with HIV and need money to buy the American cocktails every month. Some of this group - are not infected, they are the minority!
That is a group of women which were all born in the 70th or early 80th.
- I am dealing with some ignorants here reg. this issue sometimes, which add some high sophisticated "information" - ok, guys, just go ahead. That helps nobody. A realistic view on the facts is needed! -
The sister - I talked to her in Sriracha in 1999, when the infection of one of her friends was suddenly obvious, and I tried to convince her to make a test. Her answer was: " I don't want to know!"
And: "I had so many times sex without condom - those guys don't want to use condoms! I cannot make money if I always insist on condoms! I am scared. I don't want to know!"
She was talking about "those guys" - she talked about YOU (including me). We all don't like condoms. And that's the problem!!! If we like somebody, if we love somebody - we don't want this damned rubber!
She died in 2005. She was a young woman in her 30ties.
- When I wrote about risk assessment in this forum I wanted to help, to give a kind if decision matrix how to evaluate the risk - I know what I wrote, believe me. And if I warned about Biergarten - I know what I do, too.
I know that all that sounds arrogant. AND I DON'T CARE. Because I really know what I am talking about. -
Her sister - I got a phonecall, that she was in a hospital. She could not talk any more, had lost consciousness. That time I was in Singapore. I flew over there, from the airport a taxi to Sriracha. I found here in a hospital, in a huge room together with 100 other patients, nearly dead.
I arranged a transfer for next morning to Pattaya International Hospital. She stayed there for 10 days in intensive care. And I paid for that. AND I KNOW THAT SOMEBODY OUT THERE NOW WANTS TO KNOW: Why did you pay? - Because there was enough money to pay on my bank account...
She had Meningitis that time, one ot the killer infections when the immunization system is down. She survived...but she was blind afterwards.
I met her again 6 month later in her house in Pattaya which a customer had bought for her before. She asked me to help her with the costs of medicaments that time (approx. US $ 900,00 per month). I told her to sell the house, move back to her hometown (somewhere nearby Korat) and buy medicaments from that sales revenues...
Did I mention her Thai boyfriend? A motorbike-taxi driver! I talked to him, too, make a test! "I am sure I am infected - I don't want to know it!"
BTW: We are talking about HIV / AIDS here.
She stayed with her boyfriend in that house, who took care of her, and she never sold that house. The first months after I had met her she still called and asked for money - but then the calls stopped. Until last year, when her sister called me to tell me that the end was near...
I went there, to her house, one last time. She looked like a skeleton, she could hardly talk, and the skin lesions in her face were clearly visible. When she heard my voice she cried. She talked about Singapore, about the life there, her time there, how happy she was, and what misery her life was now. She only wanted to talk about Singapore. And she told me that I was the only one of her old customers who had visited her in the last few years.
She died a few weeks later.
She was a freelancer, beautiful, one of the stunners made for YOU OUT THERE, working in Singapore, Hongkong and Bangkok (sometimes).
I will never forget her. I liked her very much.
Today - I am still HIV-negative because we always used condoms. But she is dead.
Giotto
Your report was excellent and a big eyeopener, lots of us would get carried away, I know I did this one time, (quite drunk) on that occasion, but yes we gotta wear condoms, if not for us, then for others attached to us.
However, is a condom a real protector, does it ensure 100% protection,
And what about BBBJ, does that affect you too, what about freelancers does one run a greater risk of getting HIV if you sleep with them, I have heard go go bar /massage girls undergo more tests as a routine vis. A vis. Freelancers.
What is your opinion.
BT.
Traveler1234,
If you want my honest opinion - YES! YES! YES! And that is valid for ALL FREELANCER BARS in Thailand, including CM2 and Spasso!
I know that many people don't want to hear that.
Let me tell you a bit about my experiences. I started my mongering in Asia in 1998 in Singapore, Orchard Tower. There are places where freelancers work. A place (Top Ten), where a girl for a night costs S$ 300.00 (and more) for a night (that time MORE THAN THAT!). Top Ten is an up-market place in Singapore.
I got into contact with a group if Pattaya working girls, all traveling to Singapore, Hongkong - some of them to Phuket (Banana). I still keep contact to ONE girl of this group ( Nok Noi, a real friend, never slept with her. When she talked about men, she always added: Why are all of them so stupid? ) , who is today 47 years old.
HIV / AIDS has left a deep scar in this group. The sister of my friend died of AIDS a year ago, and so did 4 other members of this group. Another 4 are infected with HIV and need money to buy the American cocktails every month. Some of this group, the minority - are not infected! (To play with words is a nice game, isn't it??? )
That is a group of women which were all born in the 70th or early 80th.
- I am dealing with some ignorants here reg. this issue sometimes, which add some high sophisticated "information" - ok, guys, just go ahead. That helps nobody. A realistic view on the facts is needed! -
The sister - I talked to her in Sriracha in 1999, when the infection of one of her friends was suddenly obvious, and I tried to convince her to make a test. Her answer was: " I don't want to know!"
And: "I had so many times sex without condom - those guys don't want to use condoms! I cannot make money if I always insist on condoms! I am scared. I don't want to know!"
She was talking about "those guys" - she talked about YOU (including me). We all don't like condoms. And that's the problem!!! If we like somebody, if we love somebody - we don't want this damned rubber!
She died in 2005. She was a young woman in her 30ties.
- When I wrote about risk assessment in this forum I wanted to help, to give a kind if decision matrix how to evaluate the risk - I know what I wrote, believe me. And if I warned about Biergarten - I know what I do, too.
I know that all that sounds arrogant. AND I DON'T CARE. Because I really know what I am talking about. -
Her sister - I got a phonecall, that she was in a hospital. She could not talk any more, had lost consciousness. That time I was in Singapore. I flew over there, from the airport a taxi to Sriracha. I found here in a hospital, in a huge room together with 100 other patients, nearly dead.
I arranged a transfer for next morning to Pattaya International Hospital. She stayed there for 10 days in intensive care. And I paid for that. AND I KNOW THAT SOMEBODY OUT THERE NOW WANTS TO KNOW: Why did you pay? - Because there was enough money to pay on my bank account...
She had Meningitis that time, one ot the killer infections when the immunization system is down. She survived...but she was blind afterwards.
I met her again 6 month later in her house in Pattaya which a customer had bought for her before. She asked me to help her with the costs of medicaments that time (approx. US $ 900,00 per month). I told her to sell the house, move back to her hometown (somewhere nearby Korat) and buy medicaments from that sales revenues...
Did I mention her Thai boyfriend? A motorbyke taxi driver! I talked to him, too, make a test! "I am sure I am infected - I don't want to know it!"
BTW: We are talking about HIV / AIDS here.
She stayed with her boyfriend in that house, who took care of her, and she never sold that house. The first months after I had met her she still called and asked for money - but then the calls stopped. Until last year, when her sister called me to tell me that the end was near...
I went there, to her house, one last time. She looked like a skeleton, she could hardly talk, and the skin lesions in her face were clearly visible. Whe she heard my voice she cried. She talked about Singapore, about the life there, her time there, how happy she was, and what misery her life was now. She only wanted to talk about Singapore.
She died a few weeks later.
She was a freelancer, beautiful, one of the stunners made for YOU OUT THERE, working in Singapore, Hongkong and Bangkok (sometimes).
I will never forget her. I liked her very much.
Today - I am still HIV-negative because we always used condoms. But she is dead.
Giotto
Coincidentally, I wore a condom for the first time in years last night - though only briefly. A more detailed report may soon be found in the 'Other Areas' section.
A girl insisted quite strongly upon one, and a friend had just instructed me in a condom-breaking technique he normally uses. Apparently one 'leaves a bubble at the tip', and then thrusts very vigorously in the doggy style postion before the girl has time to lubricate. He said it regularly works for him, alas not for me. It probably did not help that I was not yet fully rigid - another side effect of condom usage.
However the condom was absurdly small and uncomfortable, and after a few minutes I pulled out and found a way to pursuade the girl to allow bareback. This method involved considerable monetary cost to myself, but it was worth it.
Lastly, even from those few minutes I was reminded how awful those things are - how can you guys not only use them, but travel thousands of miles at considerable expense to fuck a rubber rather than a girl?
There is no 100% in the universe!
Think about shaving wounds, scratches or did you use a full body suit? :-))
Cheers,
SAB
I don't shave my private parts!
Your report was excellent and a big eyeopener, lots of us would get carried away, I know I did this one time, (quite drunk) on that occasion, but yes we gotta wear condoms, if not for us, then for others attached to us.
However, is a condom a real protector, does it ensure 100% protection,
And what about BBBJ, does that affect you too, what about freelancers does one run a greater risk of getting HIV if you sleep with them, I have heard go go bar /massage girls undergo more tests as a routine vis. A vis. Freelancers.
What is your opinion.
BT.Boy Toy,
The story below is only one of the HIV / AIDS stories I got into contact with during my 10 years here in Asia. There are the other stories of co-workers, friends, staff, neighbors etc. who got infected - somehow.
Today I still read the latest news of the HIV / AIDS science, and I signed up for many news letters. There are better and worse websites, and the mentioned site from the San Francisco AIDS Foundation is one of the best and most informative for an average non-scientist:
http://www.sfaf.org
Some basic statements reg. the questions:
In general the HIV virus is NOT EASY to transfer, it is a huge virus/DNS structure. Other viruses are much more infectious (eg. Hepatitis). For that there are SOME medical scientists who are stating that even unbroken mucous membrane is a sufficient barrier against the virus and does NOT ALLOW an infection, IF the partners are not infected with other STDs(!!).
Nevertheless: There are definitely many cases in which the infection happened in ONE SINGLE UNPROTECTED SEXUAL ACT.
Rule: The mucous membrane MUST BE PROTECTED during intercourse, and that can only be done with a condom (if you want to have intercourse).
A condom secures, if used correctly and if it does not break, a protection of close to 100 %.
Oral sex:
Generally the risk is minimal, for the receiving person (that is you if you receive a BBBJ) close to zero. The only remaining risk here comes from the possibility that the giving person has blood in his mouth (wounds from toothrush etc. ).
http://www.sfaf.org/aids101/sexual.html#oral
Remaining risk factors are:
- holes / microscopic cuts in the condom
- cuts / wounds in the penis root area
- cuts / wounds at other areas of the normal skin which come into contact with body fluids.
- and others (a long list).
All this remaining risks are so extremely small, that everybody must evaluate for himself whether it is possible and useful to implement measures for a protection against those cases. Those risks are statistically not measurable.
Final Statement: The biggest risk factor are we ourselves, getting carried away during the sexual act and forgetting to use the condom. And afterwards, if the worst case scenario has happened, most of us will definitely NOT tell the truth and insist on the fact, that we always used a condom. Most of us will lie!
Giotto
Member #3409
11-04-06, 22:36
Coincidentally, I wore a condom for the first time in years last night - though only briefly. A more detailed report may soon be found in the 'Other Areas' section.
A girl insisted quite strongly upon one, and a friend had just instructed me in a condom-breaking technique he normally uses. Apparently one 'leaves a bubble at the tip', and then thrusts very vigorously in the doggy style postion before the girl has time to lubricate. He said it regularly works for him, alas not for me. It probably did not help that I was not yet fully rigid - another side effect of condom usage.
You know I am one of those guys who really doesn't care if a guy wants to go around barebacking fucking, that is really up to you. But what I just read is what really makes my blood boil. If the girl insited on using a condom then you use it, trying methods to break it is criminal and only a low life would do that. That is shameful behaviour and sadly not an uncommon one even in my home Australia. I reckon anyone who whips the condom off or breaks it on purpose should have his dick cut off.
...If the girl insited on using a condom then you use it, trying methods to break it is criminal and only a low life would do that. That is shameful behaviour and sadly not an uncommon one even in my home Australia. I reckon anyone who whips the condom off or breaks it on purpose should have his dick cut off.
I second that. Call it attempted murder. I don't even consider to answer such loosers. I have reported this to Jackson and I hope he will delete it.
The Traveler
11-05-06, 12:52
... - When I wrote about risk assessment in this forum I wanted to help, to give a kind if decision matrix how to evaluate the risk - I know what I wrote, believe me. And if I warned about Biergarten - I know what I do, too...
Giotto,
I do not question your intentions, but the quality of your advice.
There are far too many factors and circumstances involved for any "rule of thumb" like the ones you provided to us.
You said for example, that a bar girl poses a higher risk than a gogo girl and that a younger girl poses a lower risk than an older one. But you still haven't answered my question if a younger bar girl poses a lower or higher risk than an older gogo girl ? Why did you refrain to answer ?
Did you consider that a younger girl may have more customers than an older one due to being younger and (hopefully) better looking ?
Did you also consider that a younger girl may be less self secure and may allow bareback sex while an older women has enough self confidence and may turn down customers who try to avoid the use of condoms ?
Of course, older women may also be more "desperate" to get a customer, we will never know. We also don't know what those girls will do besides her jobs. Some may work as freelancers, others may just stay at home or taking care of other "serious" business. We also don't know who will avoid the required tests at some gogos (it's quite easy as you know) or how long they are involved in this sort of biz.
Acting based on your assumptions about a girl - without knowing anything about her at all - is not a very smart approach and contains a great deal of cause of fault.
In short, this issue is far too complex for any "rules of engagement" which depend on the age, workplace or any other attribute of the girls. Therefore any advice that relies on those attributes is bad advice and in this context dangerous.
IMHO there is only one way to play the game, expect all girls to bear the same risk and due to that be as careful as you can and treat them all the same.
Giotto,
IMHO there is only one way to play the game, expect all girls to bear the same risk and due to that be as careful as you can and treat them all the same.
Spot on. In my professions over the years- police and prison, we used the term 'universal precautions'. That means assume that everyone you come in contact with has a blood bourne infectious disease.
It shouldn't be about risk assessment, it should be about risk minimisation, as the quote says, treat them all the same. Cover up each time, every time. For those of you from the UK in the old days- remember Jimmy Saville- clunk click every trip!
I was going to post a reply to Opebo's posting, but frankly, even after 20 years in law enforcement the man's actions and callous disregard for the health and safety of others disgusts me so much that I would write an essay that would probably get me banned from this forum forever. I have met some cold, calculating, callous evil men in my time, but Opebo, well, I'll leave the inference up to everyone else.
Pete
Giotto,
...
There are far too many factors and circumstances involved for any "rule of thumb" like the ones you provided to us.
You said for example, that a bar girl poses a higher risk than a gogo girl and that a younger girl poses a lower risk than an older one. But you still haven't answered my question if a younger bar girl poses a lower or higher risk than an older gogo girl ? Why did you refrain to answer ?
...
The Traveler,
I did not respond to your question because I am too polite.
The question is not very clever. Just check out what a decision matrix is, and then combine the factors, based on your personal evaluation of each single risk factor. Then you get the combination of the risk factors, and how you personally deal with it.
If you need further information I will explain to you what a decision matrix is, but I think it does not belong here.
Regarding younger girls: I don't really think that we have to discuss that, too. It is a question of logic. Older girls went through the same life period as young girls, and the time period they are older. Logically that can only add risk, but not reduce it. They furthermore lived in a time when the knowledge about HIV was limited - that adds additional risks, too.
I stick to exactly what I wrote in my report. It is my opinion, and you are entitled to have a different one.
Giotto
....
IMHO there is only one way to play the game, expect all girls to bear the same risk and due to that be as careful as you can and treat them all the same.
We are talking about risk assessment and probability here, but some seem to have their problems with it. As the risk is never 0% and also not 100%, however we calculate it we all mongers take the risk with every girl we take and this includes the Traveler as well.
We can debate endless using the recently published figure if 10,8% aids infection under the sex workers. As I wrote previously it may be 15% at beergarden (or any other number every individual may judge himself) and 6% at the gogo’s and probably still 4% with The Travelers girls selection.
So why to kick Giotto when he is talking about probability, everyone including The Traveler does the same thing.
Consequent at all is only to stay at home and not at all go to Thailand and have contact with any female (regardless engaged in of P4P, or "good girl") there. The traveler is sitting in the glas house himself, as 1 sex act can kill him as anybody of us out there having any females contact as all risks are never 0%.
So why endless debating about the detailed percentage and who gives good and bad advise, when all of us frequent or occasionally doing sex with Thai women take a 'calculated' risk (with our own equation for this 'calculation'), which includes again The Traveler, who has nothing more then just a different calculation to minimize (but never eliminate) his risk.
Even our member Opebo does his risk asessment and considers his barebeck anal shots with his rock bottom candidates low risk, according to his own equasion. So we can see the bandwidth of such individual risk assessment.
Regards
Brain666
... when all of us frequent or occasionally doing sex with Thai women take a 'calculated' risk (with our own equation for this 'calculation'), which includes again The Traveler, who has nothing more then just a different calculation to minimize (but never eliminate) his risk. ...
Brain666,
That is the point! I think most of us would definitely second The Travelers final statement - maximum protection, be as careful as you can be.
But the problem is that it is very easy to talk and write about it - and much more difficult to act this way, when you get carried away during a session. We are all human.
The experience I have is that a huge majority of men I spoke to admitted that they already had unprotected intercourse with a P4P girl. To only list all possible risk factors should be an eyeopener. And - as I know today - I even missed a lot of them.
Giotto
Terry Terrier
11-05-06, 20:07
Regarding younger girls: I don't really think that we have to discuss that, too. It is a question of logic. Older girls went through the same life period as young girls, and the time period they are older. Logically that can only add risk, but not reduce it. They furthermore lived in a time when the knowledge about HIV was limited - that adds additional risks, too.
I stick to exactly what I wrote in my report. It is my opinion, and you are entitled to have a different one.
Most of us applaud Giotto's good intentions in making his "risk assessment" post. But bad advice is bad advice.
My take is that The Traveler has (quite rightly) pointed out some obvious errors in Giotto's strategy and Giotto has overreacted to that assessment of his assessment, taking it as a personal attack (and the usual gang of fanboys jumped in, of course, to defend Giotto's honour and attack The Traveler).
Another glaring error, presented as logic: The statement that older prostitutes go through the same "life period" as younger prostitutes. Many of the older prostitutes came into the game at a relatively late age, when their Thai husbands dumped them and left they and their kids 'up Shit Creek without a paddle'.
Most of us applaud Giotto's good intentions in making his "risk assessment" post. But bad advice is bad advice.
My take is that The Traveler has (quite rightly) pointed out some obvious errors in Giotto's risk assessment strategy and Giotto has overreacted to that assessment of his assessment, taking it as a personal attack (and the usual gang of fanboys jumped in, of course, to defend Giotto's honour and attack The Traveler).
Another glaring error, presented as logic: The statement that older prostitutes go through the same "life period" as younger prostitutes. Many of the older prostitutes came into the game at a relatively late age, when their Thai husbands dumped them and left they and their kids 'up shit creek without a paddle'.Terry Terrier,
I really don't know what again the "fanboys" have to do with all that. Shall I now create a virtual "Anti-Fanboys allliance" ? Is that somehow important for the real issue? It is getting more and more obvious for me that some readers out there did not really understand my post about risk assessment up to now.
You are right with one issue, I don't let this risk assessment post problem so easily go, BECAUSE HIV/AIDS is such an important problem, and BECAUSE I really don't want to give wrong advice. But up to now none of your arguments has changed anything in my views. If somebody believes that the fact that I did not discuss the combination of two risk factors makes the risk assessment report erroneous - then he has not understood it! ALL risk factors are combined in the real world!
Your argumentation regarding the possible late entry of older women into the business can fit for some of those ladies, but for sure it does not change the general logic of the age evaluation. It is pure speculation as long as you cannot find out for sure how long a girl is really in the business. Age is something you can find out. It is about RISK ASSESSMENT!
But if you can find this out - then the risk assessment should be changed to a "Duration of Work" factor instead of the "age". That would be more accurate then. I leave it to you and everybody out there to decide for himself in a specific situation whether this is possible or not.
If you people have sex with a full-body condom - fine with me, and highly appreciated. Then you will NOT endanger others, and do good for all participants. I simply don't believe it, I like to have a realistic approach to problems like this. I like to look at the human aspects and weaknesses in such a discussion.
That's it now for me, if somebody wants to discuss this further or has questions reg. my "bad advice" please PM me. I am not willing to discuss this important problem on this irresponsible level embedded in "Fanboys" forum politics and accusations of overreacting.
Giotto
Terry Terrier
11-05-06, 22:21
That's it now for me, if somebody wants to discuss this further or has questions reg. my "bad advice" please PM me. I am not willing to discuss this important problem on this irresponsible level embedded in "Fanboys" forum politics and accusations of overreacting.
Neither am I, and it's about time you started discouraging your fanboys from giving you their silly, unconditional support. And it's also about time you stopped overreacting and behaving like a prize-winning drama queen in response to legitimate (and accurate) corrections of your assessments. But these two issues are closely linked, if we're being frank, aren't they G?
I will PM you in a couple of days (I'm busy for a day or two), because my replies will require more attention to such a serious issue being raised in such a prima donna style here than that required for the usual BS and fanboy support.
TT (awaiting the sychophantic Giotto's Club 'fanboy' jokes from the fanboys :D)
...Even our member Opebo does his risk asessment and considers his barebeck anal shots with his rock bottom candidates low risk, according to his own equasion. So we can see the bandwidth of such individual risk assessment...The problem with the member whose name I don't even want to put into my mouth is that he is cheating the girls into a possible infection. If Pete's default assumption is that everyone has a blood infection, then one must assume such individuals still much more likely to be infected. And it seems even Jackson doesn't care that criminal acts are promoted here. Very sad.
Tiger
The problem with the member whose name I don't even want to put into my mouth is that he is cheating the girls into a possible infection... it seems even Jackson doesn't care that criminal acts are promoted here. Very sad.
Tiger
Please explain how this is 'cheating', or how it is criminal. One does not make any false representations - in fact one makes no representations at all. One simply has sex. As far as I know, the act of sex sans condom is not illegal in any jurisdiction, but perhaps that would be a good policy goal for a fan of the Police State to pursue, Tiger.
SidTheSexist
11-06-06, 08:41
This whole thread should be void!
Member #3409
11-06-06, 09:09
Please explain how this is 'cheating', or how it is criminal. One does not make any false representations - in fact one makes no representations at all. One simply has sex. As far as I know, the act of sex sans condom is not illegal in any jurisdiction, but perhaps that would be a good policy goal for a fan of the Police State to pursue, Tiger.
Well you said any JURISDICTION (so guess that means anywhere in the world). In which case I can assure you that comment is false, in Australia for one it is illegal in most if not all states to have unprotected paid sex. How anyone would police it, prove it or be convicted of it I don't know but that is the law.
As for the issue at hand it is more one of consent. If a girl consents to BB and thats what you want fill your boots to your hearts consent, that is one for the morals police.
But if a girl, as like the one you posted about asks for a condom and you try methods to deliberatly break it or otherwise conjoule her into not using one then you are a low life. You are the one making a false representation as in that case you would have agreed to the terms the girl offered and choose methods to break that term. That is wrong and I cannot see one sensable or sane argument that could be to the contrary.
At the end of the day if the girl is providing something you don't want (ie the use of a condom) then she is not the girl for you. You seem to have no problem getting it else where so good luck to you, but breaking a condom or doing something else is just shameful.
Well you said any JURISDICTION (so guess that means anywhere in the world). In which case I can assure you that comment is false, in Australia for one it is illegal in most if not all states to have unprotected paid sex. How anyone would police it, prove it or be convicted of it I don't know but that is the law.
As for the issue at hand it is more one of consent. If a girl consents to BB and thats what you want fill your boots to your hearts consent, that is one for the morals police.
But if a girl, as like the one you posted about asks for a condom and you try methods to deliberatly break it or otherwise conjoule her into not using one then you are a low life. You are the one making a false representation as in that case you would have agreed to the terms the girl offered and choose methods to break that term. That is wrong and I cannot see one sensable or sane argument that could be to the contrary.
At the end of the day if the girl is providing something you don't want (ie the use of a condom) then she is not the girl for you. You seem to have no problem getting it else where so good luck to you, but breaking a condom or doing something else is just shameful.
Bit like going to the doctor for an injection when he tells you it is a brand new syringe and a brand new needle, only it isn't!
At the end of the day if the girl is providing something you don't want (ie the use of a condom) then she is not the girl for you. You seem to have no problem getting it else where so good luck to you, but breaking a condom or doing something else is just shameful.
Point well taken, Jc, and I do agree with you. The reason I related that story was it was the only time I have ever attempted that (it failed). I definitely prefer the more forthright method. You are quite correct that I do not find it particularly difficult to get openly, and that has been, and will be, my policy.
In the case in point it is interesting to note that the girl redily agreed to the bareback sex for an extra 500 baht, and also that her vagina had the distinctive 'fishy' smell - a telltale sign of rotting sperm. So.. it can hardly be argued that I was greatly altering her ordinary practice.
Sasha Coffee
11-06-06, 19:02
i have many things to say, but jackson has a policy on abusing another member.
so i will say it as politely as i can.
you complete idiot, setting out to purposely break a condom is one of the stupidest things i have ever heard. it is men like you that give the decent clients a bad name. as a working girl i laugh at your ignorance stupidity and totally disregard for your own and your partners safety.
i realise that some working girls are stupid enough to offer this service but god dam it man why would you.
the low level of your intelligence astounds and horrifies me. although somehow i get the feeling that you think this behaviour is amusing and i'll give you that there are plenty of men out there who lack the self confidence and feel that behaving like an ass in the room with a provider makes them more of a man. newsflash, it just makes you look like a sad pathethic man who is incapable of getting erect.
always remember that even wgs have brains and they do have opinions and you would be surprised how tight the wgs grapevine is, you might find yourself in masturbation heaven one day, cause no one will touch it.
good luck, i suppose the one consolation is eventually your dick will go green and drop off. after all thailand is not known for its clean working girls either.
In the case in point it is interesting to note that the girl redily agreed to the bareback sex for an extra 500 baht, and also that her vagina had the distinctive 'fishy' smell - a telltale sign of rotting sperm. So.. it can hardly be argued that I was greatly altering her ordinary practice.
You astound me! You want to put your dick in a pussy filled with rotting sperm? If this isn't disgusting, I wonder what is. But hey, each to his own heaven.
In the case in point it is interesting to note that the girl redily agreed to the bareback sex for an extra 500 baht, and also that her vagina had the distinctive 'fishy' smell - a telltale sign of rotting sperm. So.. it can hardly be argued that I was greatly altering her ordinary practice.
Interestingly, the girl suffered from the fishy-**** smell so common among american providers, but so rare in Thailand. I have noted in my travels that it is usually the condom-pushers who have this smell, while the girls who hop on bareback without even the mention of a condom are invariably clean and smell great.
Which one is it Opebo?
in one post, you talk about a fishy smell, which according to you, equals rotting sperm. (I have always known thai women to be clean to a fault), in another post, you talk about the fishy smell, which equals condom pushers.
Make up your mind, but regardless of which one it is, your are a fucking idiot, and a complete low life, for trying to intentionally break a condom. If only I had a picture of you, and I knew somehow of a Thai board that all providers read, I would post your photo, and warn all to stay away.
As Sasha Coffee says, masturbation heaven is where you belong.
The Traveler
11-07-06, 00:11
The Traveler,
I did not respond to your question because I am too polite.
The question is not very clever. Just check out what a decision matrix is, and then combine the factors, based on your personal evaluation of each single risk factor. Then you get the combination of the risk factors, and how you personally deal with it.
If you need further information I will explain to you what a decision matrix is, but I think it does not belong here.
Regarding younger girls: I don't really think that we have to discuss that, too. It is a question of logic. Older girls went through the same life period as young girls, and the time period they are older. Logically that can only add risk, but not reduce it. They furthermore lived in a time when the knowledge about HIV was limited - that adds additional risks, too.
I stick to exactly what I wrote in my report. It is my opinion, and you are entitled to have a different one.
Giotto
Giotto,
please stick to the issue, don't fall back into old habits, there is no need to get personal and being condescending.
BTW, that's what Terry is complaining about.
So why you do still avoid to give a clear answer ?
You mentioned several attributes and the risk attached to them due to YOUR risk assesment. Sadly you didn't give us any information which attribute contains the higher risk. That's what my question was aiming for.
It shows your dilemma that your rules are worthless because the whole issue is far too complex. All those attributes can be combined endlessly (plus many many others not mentioned) and who can really claim to be able to assess or even estimate the actual risks involved.
Any attempt to do that - like you did with your risk assessment - is a lost cause. By sticking to it, you do lie to yourself which is much worse than lying to others.
So my question still stands : who bears the bigger risk, an old gogo girl or a young bar girl ?
I also kindly ask you to explain your answer/decision.
P.S. Waste a second and think about what Pete said. Guess why professionals like policemen, medical personal and first aid workers have certain rules of behaviour when approaching unknown people with an unknown health status. Those professionals have to deal with unknown people, we do it by choice, but that doesn't mean that we should unnecessarily increase our risk just because we BELIEVE or ASSUME something about those people.
STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP !!!!!!!!
This behaviour is lower then low, ridicolous, idiot behaviour !!!
STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP !!!!!!!!
Opebo if you cannot find a wife then buy a plastic doll, but
never ever do it with anybody else without using protection
STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP !!!!!!!!
Also do not post in this thread as this thread is about SAFE SEX !
STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP !!!!!!!!
You are so cheap and making use of the poverty of the girls as
you know they need the money. You are soooooooo cheap !!!
STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP !!!!!!!!
Guys like you are the reason that all kind of STD are spreading.
Eventualy you will destroy your own dick and your own life, but
how many girls and families will die for your irresponsible pleasure.
STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP !!!!!!!!
Do you realize that you are just a client and that because of you
the next client is at a great risk....Yeah, this is called serial ...... !
How many of us will be infected by the STD's you are spreading.
STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP !!!!!!!!
How many lifes you want to destroy. I hope you realize and think
of this post when you fuck your next victim.......Yeah VICTIM !!!
If you have any brain in your head......then use it...... S T O P
your irresponsible behaviour immediatly immediatly immediatly.
STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP !!!!!!!!
Once again get married or buy a plastic doll....fuck as you wish !
With any other sexual contacts.......ALWAYS USE PROTECTION !
This way you protect the girl...her family/kids....the next client !
. Paulo - your last line says Opebo should wear a condom to protect the next client. Sorry, I don't agree. The next client should wear a condom to protect himself - then he doesn't have to worry about what the previous client did. It's that simple.
I don't know if Opebo (or his brother Bareback Bill) are serious, but there are guys around like that. Just in case, I always use condoms. I really don't want to share their body fluids.
The Traveler
11-07-06, 00:57
Hi Terry,
This is a very serious, important issue and you are totaly out of line when you only bring comment and attack Giotto.
Giotto contributes great content to the ISG with his reports about the different issues. Giotto also gave his opinion in a great report (content) about this serious subject.
The Traveller showed us his different view (content) in his post.
Bottomline and intention of both is in their advice : SAFE SEX !!!
Keep in mind they both do not pretend to have the ultimate wisdom !
Terry.......just read.....think.....and stop with your comment (fanclub, attack Giotto). You only discourage these experienced guys to share their wisdom, which in many ways is very valuable for all of us. They deserve (y)our respect !
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Paulothai,
with all due respect, but please read Giotto's reply to my post again.
It contains several (not so hidden) attacks and is very condescending.
Last time he did the very same thing, jumped from one issue to another one, tried to make fun out of me and insulted me. He even dared to question my character instead of answering my factual question. I responded by questioning his character and only his "fanclub" saved his ass - and allowed him to keep face - by distracting from the issue.
Sadly he already fell back into those old habits, forgetting his own lengthy post about the development of discussions and the wrongdoing of their participants He also had set up rules but they only seem to be valid for others, not for him.
That's what Terry is complaining about and he only mentioned it to refresh Giotto's memory as he already showed the same behaviour again.
Such behaviour is usually the last resort for people who are cornered and ran out of arguments.
I won't refer to it anymore and try to ignore his misbehaviour as good as I can. Such things belong to the fight club. But nevertheless I hope that Giotto will only stick to facts and will be able to overcome his "bad habits". I think we are two mature adults who should be able to discuss a serious issue with the seriousness it deserves.
Paulothai,
with all due respect, but please read Giotto's reply to my post again.
It contains several (not so hidden) attacks and is very condescending.
Last time he did the very same thing, jumped from one issue to another one, tried to make fun out of me and insulted me. He even dared to question my character instead of answering my factual question. I responded by questioning his character and only his "fanclub" saved his ass - and allowed him to keep face - by distracting from the issue.
Sadly he already fell into those old habits, forgetting his own lengthy post about the development of discussions and the wrongdoing of their participants He also had set up rules but they only seem to be valid for others, not for him.
That's what Terry is complaining about and he only mentioned it to refresh Giotto's memory as he already showed the same behaviour again.
Such behaviour is usually the last resort for people who are cornered and ran out of arguments.
I won't refer to it anymore and try to ignore his misbehaviour as good as I can. Such things belong to the fight club. But nevertheless I hope that Giotto will only stick to facts and will be able to overcome his "bad habits". I think we are two mature adults who should be able to discuss a serious issue with the seriousness it deserves.TT - is this thread about crying about you and Giotto, or about safe sex? Sheesh!!! C'mon - you're better than that.
Enough, any reply regarding this issue should be posted in the "Fight Club".No need for me to reply in the fight club. I'm not fighting. I'm a lover not a fighter. :) Yes, Giotto is a friend, but this doesn't mean you're an enemy. I've invited you for a drink (and an arm-wrestle!) more than once. I'll speak on behalf of Giotto without his permission - he has no problems with you arriving at the lodge for a drink and a laugh. In person, people are very different.
Traveler1234
11-07-06, 02:57
That's what Terry is complaining about and he only mentioned it to refresh Giotto's memory as he already showed the same behaviour again.
Such behaviour is usually the last resort for people who are cornered and ran out of arguments.
First, I think a lot of which is being said should be moved over to the fight club. Everyone knows my 'position' re both G and The Traveler, enough said on that.
Second, safe sex is a critical issue and everyone has their own opinions - no reason why we can't discuss them in an intelligent manner without making personal attacks. Not everyone may agree with G's perspective, including me. Argue re the subject, not against the messenger.
Third, I do agree with earlier posts - it's easier to attack someone's views, and it's more difficult to argue and/or present a fresh perspective.
Hi Piper1,
... there is always a risk
and this is a big .....BIG.... risk when you "meet" an Opebo pussy.
...and what
about your mouth when meeting her pussy.
This cheap Opebo....brainless ?...irresponsible behaviour is the
reason of spreading soooo much terrible destroying things........
He sure is not one of US and does not belong here !!!!!!!!
.
Paulo, you are making an agregious error in assuming that any dangers you face come from other occidental mongers daring to bareback. No, if you thought seriously about the subject at all you would know that the girls' main risk factors are not some middle aged first world visitors, but their own native boyfriends and customers, and/or drugs use. Certainly my using a condom will not alter any girl's risk assessment.
There is nothing 'brainless' about a considered, reasoned decision that 1) the risk level is really not that high, and 2) one is not going to live forever anyway! There is something truly comically absurd about old men traveling thousands of miles to have sex with a rubber device rather than a girl, in order to preserve a life which is already nearing the end of its remotely enjoyable phase.
I have often seen this mentality - it is a very american one - in which persons operate under the assumption that they will live forever. Do you not ride in automobiles? Perhaps even occasionally on a motorbike? Then why not enjoy real sex? It is no more dangerous. I believe many avoid even very minor sexual risks due to prudery - a feeling that risk occasioned in the pursuit of pleasure is inherently shameful or embarrassing.
As far as not belonging here, I think you may be mistaken about who and what you are, brother.
Opebo - Please show us you can learn and respond to this.
Do you know Pamela Anderson caught Hep C from sex with her husband? - it's incurable and means she has a higher chance of Liver Cancer.
You can catch and spread Heb B sexually - the same way.
You've obviously never heard of HPV - dozens of strains, which are incurable, some of which cause cervical cancer in women and recurring warts or inflammation on your dick.
Maybe you have AIDS and your are trying to spread HIV to the rest of us via poor Asian WG's.
You've probably never heard of drug resistant strains of Gonoreea, Syphilis and Chalmydia or 9 different fungal infections you are spreading.
Maybe you can't read the packages of the different barnds of condoms out there.
QUOTE FROM RECENT BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL: "In Thailand, the HIV epidemic has spread over time to the sexual partners of vulnerable groups and in 2005 the majority of new infections occurred among the low risk heterosexual population (43%). Men having sex with men accounted for 21% and sex work (including sex workers, clients, and partners of clients) for 18% of new infections."
JOURNAL OF SEXUALITY AND DISABILITY: "Female prostitution is a major factor relating to human immuno deficiency virus (HIV) infection and sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) among Thais. A number of sexually active Thai males have experience on getting contact with a female prostitute; therefore, health education for Thais since they are young is recommended. Apart from HIV and STDs, prostitution is also related to hepatitis and cervical cancer in Thailand."
OPEBO - WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY?
OPEBO - WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY?
My decisions are fully informed, Alex, merely different from your own (and of course none of your affair). I would say this however - if one wishes to avoid all risk, a more effective and enjoyable method would be to stay at home and masturbate, not have miserable third rate 'sex' at great expense with a rubber device which removes all enjoyment from the act.
China Lily
11-07-06, 05:43
You are sick in the head and probably in your body. I hope you get what you deserve
My decisions are fully informed, Alex, merely different from your own (and of course none of your affair). I would say this however - if one wishes to avoid all risk, a more effective and enjoyable method would be to stay at home and masturbate, not have miserable third rate 'sex' at great expense with a rubber device which removes all enjoyment from the act.SEE THE DEFINITION OF RECKLESS BELOW - I ASSUME YOU AGREE THAT DESCRIBES YOU - SINCE YOU ARE INFORMED AND MAKE YOUR CHOICE
Deliberate (or 'Intentional')
Most countries would consider this to be the most serious offence that can be committed. Some cases of deliberate transmission have involved individuals (both HIV+ and HIV-) who have used needles or other implements to intentionally infect others with HIV. Others have been based on HIV+ people who have had sex with the primary purpose of transmitting the virus to their partner.
Deliberate transmission also sometimes takes place when a negative partner has an active desire to become infected with HIV (a practice sometimes referred to as 'sexual thrill seeking' or 'bug chasing'). This is unlikely to lead to prosecution however as both parties consent.
Reckless
This is where HIV is passed on through a careless rather than deliberate act. If for example a person who knows they have HIV has unprotected sex with a negative person, but fails to inform them of the risk involved, this could be classed as reckless transmission in court. "Reckless' here implies that transmission did take place, but that this happened as part of the pursuit of sexual gratification rather than because the HIV+ person actually wanted to give their partner HIV (HIV is of course not 'automatically' transmitted every time someone has unprotected sex.)
Accidental
This is the most common way that HIV is passed on. A person is generally said to have accidentally transmitted HIV if:
They unaware that they had the virus, and therefore did not feel the need to take measures to protect their partner.
They were aware of their HIV+ status and they used a condom during sex, but the condom failed in some way (although there is some debate over whether this should in fact be classed as a reckless act, as we shall see later).
Paulo, you are making an agregious error in assuming that any dangers you face come from other occidental mongers daring to bareback. No, if you thought seriously about the subject at all you would know that the girls' main risk factors are not some middle aged first world visitors, but their own native boyfriends and customers, and/or drugs use. Certainly my using a condom will not alter any girl's risk assessment.
Sure you may have a point in that your danger is not necessarily coming from occidental mongers who bareback. But consider what you just said here: the girls' risk factor are their own bf's and customers. And infected women do pass STDs to men. By barebacking these girls, you are joining their risk pool in which infection and transmission rates are quite high. Do you really believe you're immune to getting anything from an infected provider?
There is nothing 'brainless' about a considered, reasoned decision that 1) the risk level is really not that high and 2) one is not going to live forever anyway! There is something truly comically absurd about old men traveling thousands of miles to have sex with a rubber device rather than a girl, in order to preserve a life which is already nearing the end of its remotely enjoyable phase.
Risk level is not that high, eh? In fact, you may already be infected, passing it around and not know it. At least have enough respect for yourself and your fellow mongers, both Thai and occidental, to get tested. And that last statement exhibits a considerable lack of respect for the providers who represent the other side of the mongering coin. For they are the other half of us...
I have often seen this mentality - it is a very american one - in which persons operate under the assumption that they will live forever. Do you not ride in automobiles? Perhaps even occasionally on a motorbike? Then why not enjoy real sex? It is no more dangerous. I believe many avoid even very minor sexual risks due to prudery - a feeling that risk occasioned in the pursuit of pleasure is inherently shameful or embarrassing.
Prudery isn't the word that applies to the rest of us, it's prudence.
As far as not belonging here, I think you may be mistaken about who and what you are, brother.
You certainly belong here with us, we are all mongers. But a little respect for life goes a long way even if you never see that girl again. You speak often of brothers, of going along to get along, of not making waves, yet you contradict yourself. By infecting those girls, you help them and their communities to show the farangs less goodwill in the long run. How selfish of you to sacrifice the rest of us on your altar. And pray tell, how is that good for the rest of us mongers in general?
you think you are informed and if you catch hiv or other std's from girls, that's your own chosen risk and destiny.
you are clearly not informed when it comes to other people's rights or the transmission of stds.
don't you think that the girls you are trying to spread diseases to should have their choice? if you pay extra for the bareback experience and the girls willingly accept your cash, that is one thing, but you must agree you are being dishonest and cheating them by risking their health when you deliberately break your condoms.? you have deliberately broken your agreement with them. it's the same as [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) - but from your personality it seems you might like that.
you talk about driving an automobile or a motorbike and say why not try "real sex". would you want us all to drive our cars at 100mph in a school street? or to speed our motorbikes around a pedestrian mall? and risk hurting other people. you talk like you'd carry a loaded gun, but because you are informed it can hurt you, you think that pointing it away from you is ok for your own safety. you can't you see your behaviour is harmful to others?
if i prick you with an hiv infected needle - and don't give you a choice - how do you feel? you are not giving those girls a choice. are you?
if you are informed, you should know you might already have caught hiv from girls who were as you say "put at risk by their boyfriends, customers or drug users" and you still go around putting yourself at risk and every girl you screw.
don't you think that the girls you are trying to spread diseases to should have their choice? if you pay extra for the bareback experience and the girls willingly accept your cash, that is one thing, but you must agree you are being dishonest and cheating them by risking their health when you deliberately break your condoms.? you have deliberately broken your agreement with them. it's the same as [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) - but from your personality it seems you might like that.
alex, i prefer not to clutter up this thread with a never ending argument - i only respond to correct a factual error: if you had read my posts carefully you would find that i only attempted the condom-breaking once, and failed. as i said in the relevant post, i had not even worn one of those awful things in years! my practice has normally been to persuade (though in many cases even this is not necessary).
so, let that be the end of your critique of a one-time aberration on my part - i have already stated that i do not intend to attempt it again. if you desire to attack me further, please do so on in the fight club thread.
Terry Terrier
11-08-06, 00:54
My question to you: What is witholding you to make your own report
with your view (content) on this serious matter ?
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Paulo,
IMO The only good advice is the standard STI clinic advice. Which is to use condoms for all penetration and avoid the exchange of bodily fluids wherever possible.
I and many others on ISG don't always stick tightly to those guidelines (my own weakness is for receiving uncovered oral, a weakness that was once exposed by catching a dose of the clap). But these are personal behaviours and risks that consenting adults decide to make. I would not try to present mine to Joe Public as being almost risk-free in the right circumstances.
Traveler1234,
If you want my honest opinion - YES! YES! YES! And that is valid for ALL FREELANCER BARS in Thailand, including CM2 and Spasso!
I know that many people don't want to hear that.
Let me tell you a bit about my experiences. I started my mongering in Asia in 1998 in Singapore, Orchard Tower. There are places where freelancers work. A place (Top Ten), where a girl costs S$ 300.00 (and more) for a night (that time MORE THAN THAT!). Top Ten was (now closed) an up-market place in Singapore.
I got into contact with a group if Pattaya working girls, all traveling to Singapore, Hongkong - some of them to Phuket (Banana). I still keep contact to ONE girl of this group ( Nok Noi, a real friend, never slept with her. When she talked about men, she always added: Why are all of them so stupid? ) , who is today 47 years old.
HIV / AIDS has left a deep scar in this group. The sister of my friend died of AIDS a year ago, and so did 4 other members of this group. Another 4 are infected with HIV and need money to buy the American cocktails every month. Some of this group - are not infected, they are the minority!
That is a group of women which were all born in the 70th or early 80th.
- I am dealing with some ignorants here reg. this issue sometimes, which add some high sophisticated "information" - ok, guys, just go ahead. That helps nobody. A realistic view on the facts is needed! -
The sister - I talked to her in Sriracha in 1999, when the infection of one of her friends was suddenly obvious, and I tried to convince her to make a test. Her answer was: " I don't want to know!"
And: "I had so many times sex without condom - those guys don't want to use condoms! I cannot make money if I always insist on condoms! I am scared. I don't want to know!"
She was talking about "those guys" - she talked about YOU (including me). We all don't like condoms. And that's the problem!!! If we like somebody, if we love somebody - we don't want this damned rubber!
She died in 2005. She was a young woman in her 30ties.
- When I wrote about risk assessment in this forum I wanted to help, to give a kind if decision matrix how to evaluate the risk - I know what I wrote, believe me. And if I warned about Biergarten - I know what I do, too.
I know that all that sounds arrogant. AND I DON'T CARE. Because I really know what I am talking about. -
Her sister - I got a phonecall, that she was in a hospital. She could not talk any more, had lost consciousness. That time I was in Singapore. I flew over there, from the airport a taxi to Sriracha. I found here in a hospital, in a huge room together with 100 other patients, nearly dead.
I arranged a transfer for next morning to Pattaya International Hospital. She stayed there for 10 days in intensive care. And I paid for that. AND I KNOW THAT SOMEBODY OUT THERE NOW WANTS TO KNOW: Why did you pay? - Because there was enough money to pay on my bank account...
She had Meningitis that time, one ot the killer infections when the immunization system is down. She survived...but she was blind afterwards.
I met her again 6 month later in her house in Pattaya which a customer had bought for her before. She asked me to help her with the costs of medicaments that time (approx. US $ 900,00 per month). I told her to sell the house, move back to her hometown (somewhere nearby Korat) and buy medicaments from that sales revenues...
Did I mention her Thai boyfriend? A motorbike-taxi driver! I talked to him, too, make a test! "I am sure I am infected - I don't want to know it!"
BTW: We are talking about HIV / AIDS here.
She stayed with her boyfriend in that house, who took care of her, and she never sold that house. The first months after I had met her she still called and asked for money - but then the calls stopped. Until last year, when her sister called me to tell me that the end was near...
I went there, to her house, one last time. She looked like a skeleton, she could hardly talk, and the skin lesions in her face were clearly visible. When she heard my voice she cried. She talked about Singapore, about the life there, her time there, how happy she was, and what misery her life was now. She only wanted to talk about Singapore. And she told me that I was the only one of her old customers who had visited her in the last few years.
She died a few weeks later.
She was a freelancer, beautiful, one of the stunners made for YOU OUT THERE, working in Singapore, Hongkong and Bangkok (sometimes).
I will never forget her. I liked her very much.
Today - I am still HIV-negative because we always used condoms. But she is dead.
GiottoI can add. Since I am in Thailand for business I lost around 16 good bar girl friend from beergarten. Heidelberg Bar restaurant and thaerme. Dead aids. The lastest one was my best body and friend since 1992 HE got aids from a former girl friend. He is gone last December but he never told me he was infected. In fact I was always asked him why he loose weight and his hair! But we never Talked about this during our rounds. Doctor told me in hospital! Officialy he is dead from a stroke is was 46 leaving Bangkok since.
Sasha Coffee
11-08-06, 19:30
It is so sad that people are still ignorant to the risks of not using condoms.
Being a child of the 80s when AIDS first hit the headlines we grew up and entered out teenage years with the understanding that condoms were a necissity, much like don't drink and drive. They were just part of your life.
Now as a working girl they are part of mine daily.
I am lucky I have never known or had anyone close to me die of AIDS but part of that is New Zealand has remained relatively untouched. We are lucky.
For those of you that take risks with your own health and endanger other peoples lives purposely by not using condoms. It is about time the governments of the world began charging you with Murder. You are reckless and incredibly stupid.
I wait with a smirk on my face till the day one of you have to go home to your wives and children and tell them you had unprotected sex and now have AIDS, I wait smirking while your wife has to be tested only to find out you have passed it on to her. I wait while your children realise that their parents will die and leave them orphans, I wait while your grand children will never know the thrill of grand parents. I wait while your children face the stigma of having AIDS infected parents and being traumatised and ostrascized by their friends. I wait and smirk while your own friends and colleagues drift away from you. I wait and smirk while you sit there wondering which working girl it was who gave you this disease. I wait and smirk while you wish you had taken the necessary precautions.
I wait and wonder when you will learn.
The Traveler
11-08-06, 23:55
Giotto,
I repeat my question and kindly ask you to answer it :
Who poses a higher risk, a young bar girl or an older gogo girl ?
You told us in your risk assessment that
an older women poses a higher risk than a younger one
a freelancer does pose a higher risk than a bargirl
a bargirl poses a higher risk than a gogo girl.
I don't know what your "decision matrix" will tell you if you mix any of your mentioned attributes (e.g. age, workplace etc.).
I also wonder what your "decision matrix" will tell you about gogo girls who also do work as freelancers. Since you met those girls in a gogo and do not know anything about their freelancing activities, do they still fall into the "gogo girl" or in the "freelance" category ?
So should we put all girls into the "freelance" category because any girl could possibly also do freelance without telling us ?
I am a bit confused and still don't fully understand how your "workplace rule" works.
Please answer to explain it to me and clarify the current situation.
But if you prefer to avoid a straight answer to a straight question we all do know the reason for it. :)
[QUOTE=Jeff46]The lastest one was my best body and friend since 1992 QUOTE] Then there is the substantial gay element to be factored into the decision matrix. What if the older street lady can only fuck cheap Charlie but the young go go girl does threesomes and more somes with ladyboys and Boyztown hookers.
The fact is Giotto's decision matrix is one of the most irresponsible pieces of crap on this entire site. Now that Giotto is on the defensive, he has to wheel out personal anecdotes about Singapore in 1998. Whatever happened to all those learned books he read on the subject?
The contribution of Giotto and Phoenix Dave on this issue both constitute a grave threat to your health. Giotto's seems to display a lack of basic knoweldge of the industry as well. The same lady can be a bar girl, a go go dancer and a freelancer in a very short time. Notoriously, go go girls have to fuck all comers and some ladies vote with their feet by walking the streets where they have more control. Giotto's advice is so bad it should be ignored if it were not so dangerous.
Obepo has come in for some stick. But his reports are useful in that they show how prevalent barebacking is and, as a consequence, how useless Giotto's advice is.
The Traveler
11-12-06, 22:59
Giotto,
your attempt to move it to PM failed, not only because your PM box is full so I can't answer that way, but mostly because you still avoid a clear answer to a very simple question.
Your refusal to answer is nothing but a confession that your "risk assessment" (and of course your "decision matrix") is complete crap as Martian called it.
Why not enlighten us by telling us what your decision matrix tells you in such a case ?
Don't forget, refusing to answer is also an answer and we all know your reason why.
I also wonder what your "decision matrix" will tell you about gogo girls who also do work as freelancers. Since you met those girls in a gogo and do not know anything about their freelancing activities, do they still fall into the "gogo girl" or in the "freelance" category ?
So should we put all girls into the "freelance" category because any girl could possibly also do freelance without telling us ?
Hmmm,
my decision Matrix (not Giotto's) is simply that it is added risk if a gogo girl is additionally going as a freelancer. Still in the average (which means that there is no evidence and if you are unlucky your %tage case is just the opposite of average), the GoGo girl with additional freelance activities may still be lower risk then the 'only' freelancer, as the GoGo's In average get more duty health check then the average freelancer.
But again, as it is statistics you can never be sure if your single case is part of the average, as well as you can't tell if your next plane home isn't just the one that is brought down by the next terrorist attack. But I agree that the Risk having a GoGo girl Aids Infected is signifficantly higher then that your plane is shot down. But not 0 as The Traveler will argue the same as me.
Again, risk as essment is risk asessment and the ramaining risk is never 0.
My 2 Freelancers from beergarden have been Condom insisters and asked if I had condom much before we arrived in the room, in fact before we closed the deal. Also this Risk was not 0, but considered lower then probably the average Freelancer. But who knows. I took the risk according to my own calibrated decision matrix as every monger does with each single session he does - including The Traveler.
regards
Brain666
PS: Some people ignore how statistics works. Risk simply never 0. I am living in South Korea now. So my risk of getting hit by an Atomic Bomb from the north is probably higher then for every monger in Thailand. However I consider that the statistical risk for the Japenese is even higher.
.... And so on and so on ....
Traveler1234
11-13-06, 00:35
Don't forget, refusing to answer is also an answer ....
TT: congratulations on hitting the 2,550 post mark. I'm trying ... don't think will ever catch up :D
Merlin Magician
11-13-06, 02:04
"I repeat my question and kindly ask you to answer it :
Who poses a higher risk, a young bar girl or an older gogo girl ?"
Traveller, here is my own decision matrix:
"If it spreads its legs and fucks for money, it is not safe. Bar Girl or Gogo Girl; no difference."
"I repeat my question and kindly ask you to answer it :
Who poses a higher risk, a young bar girl or an older gogo girl ?"
Traveller, here is my own decision matrix:
"If it spreads its legs and fucks for money, it is not safe. Bar Girl or Gogo Girl; no difference."
Probably Giotto is asked here,
but my decision matrix is, that I would probably never consider an older GoGo girl anyhow, when there are so much junger GoGo girls to choose from. So the young Bargirl would be the choice not reflecting other factors in the decision matrix which could prevent me from.
Again: Its a decision Matrix with many factors. So picking a special case and reducing to 2 decisions isn't really a matrix. So the example isn't what happens in reality when we choose our favourite girl.
regards
Brain666
Retired Army
11-13-06, 08:59
"I repeat my question and kindly ask you to answer it :
Who poses a higher risk, a young bar girl or an older gogo girl ?"
Traveller, here is my own decision matrix:
"If it spreads its legs and fucks for money, it is not safe. Bar Girl or Gogo Girl; no difference."
I don't think it matters given the consequences. Even if it fucks for free. Condoms are what, 10 baht? How much is a lifetime of AIDS treatments?
M P Lurker
11-13-06, 11:53
Some basic statements reg. the questions:
In general the HIV virus is NOT EASY to transfer, it is a huge virus/DNS structure. Other viruses are much more infectious (eg. Hepatitis). For that there are SOME medical scientists who are stating that even unbroken mucous membrane is a sufficient barrier against the virus and does NOT ALLOW an infection, IF the partners are not infected with other STDs(!!).
Nevertheless: There are definitely many cases in which the infection happened in ONE SINGLE UNPROTECTED SEXUAL ACT.
Rule: The mucous membrane MUST BE PROTECTED during intercourse, and that can only be done with a condom (if you want to have intercourse).
A condom secures, if used correctly and if it does not break, a protection of close to 100 %.
Oral sex:
Generally the risk is minimal, for the receiving person (that is you if you receive a BBBJ) close to zero. The only remaining risk here comes from the possibility that the giving person has blood in his mouth (wounds from toothrush etc. ).
http://www.sfaf.org/aids101/sexual.html#oral
Remaining risk factors are:
- holes / microscopic cuts in the condom
- cuts / wounds in the penis root area
- cuts / wounds at other areas of the normal skin which come into contact with body fluids.
- and others (a long list).
All this remaining risks are so extremely small, that everybody must evaluate for himself whether it is possible and useful to implement measures for a protection against those cases. Those risks are statistically not measurable.
Final Statement: The biggest risk factor are we ourselves, getting carried away during the sexual act and forgetting to use the condom. And afterwards, if the worst case scenario has happened, most of us will definitely NOT tell the truth and insist on the fact, that we always used a condom. Most of us will lie!
Giotto
Giotto,
Thanks for cold clinical scientific data with risk probability assessment.
I get so sick of those who either wish to remain blissfully ignorant or the opposites who have wildly emotional reactions to some so called 'risks' not based on any science whatsoever.
Life is risky, its just about keeping the risks to sensible controlled levels and still enjoying life.
Micky like Licky
The Traveler
11-14-06, 22:48
TT: congratulations on hitting the 2,550 post mark. I'm trying ... don't think will ever catch up :D
T1234,
thanks but I didn't even recognized it. I never look at the post counters.
Why should I, it has absolutely no significance.
The Traveler
11-14-06, 23:07
Probably Giotto is asked here,
but my decision matrix is, that I would probably never consider an older GoGo girl anyhow, when there are so much junger GoGo girls to choose from. So the young Bargirl would be the choice not reflecting other factors in the decision matrix which could prevent me from.
Again: Its a decision Matrix with many factors. So picking a special case and reducing to 2 decisions isn't really a matrix. So the example isn't what happens in reality when we choose our favourite girl.
regards
Brain666
Brain666,
you somehow constantly miss the point.
Giotto made several statements and presented guidelines, saying that risk depends on age, workplace and a couple of other things.
This is quite shallow IMO. The whole thing is far too complex to be reduced to a couple of factors as we don't know anything about the providers. You should know very well that I restricted it to only 2 factors to keep it simple. I gave a couple of explanations why a younger girl could pose a higher risk than an older one opposite to Giotto's risk assessment. I also provided a few examples/reasons why a gogo girl can pose a much higher risk than a bar girl even though Giotto tries to tell us that gogo girls are less risky than bar girls.
In short, we have absolutely no way to tell how risky an unknown sex partner is. Therefore we should treat them all the same.
Guess why Giotto still refuses to answer my simple question ?
If his risk assessment already fails on the combination of 2 of his factors, how good will it work in real life ?
So far your objections/remarks only targeted our decision to pick a girl or not which is pointless, as this isn't subject of the discussion.
Giotto's advice points into a complete different direction. He told us, that he will be more or less careful or better careless depending on his assumptions about a person. He calls those assumptions "decision matrix" but they are nothing but assumptions as he doesn't know anything about the girls in question, especially nothing about their health status, preferred sexual practices and partners and so on. Therefore his risk assessment is completely use- and worthless.
If you decide to have sex with an unknown partner be as careful as possible, don't differentiate and don't believe that one may be more or less risky. Don't lie to yourself !
Brain666,
you somehow constantly miss the point....................................
Traveler, could you please take this to the Fight Club thread. It's between you and Giotto. I am sorry, but we all seem to miss the finer points of your argument about Giotto's staement. So take it to the Fight Club and thrash it out there.
Terry Terrier
11-15-06, 02:12
we all seem to miss the finer points of your argument about Giotto's staement. So take it to the Fight Club
I don't, and I know that others don't.
The Fight club is about having fun and letting off steam. The Traveler is trying to have a serious discussion about safe sex in Thailand in the Safe Sex in Thailand thread. If you want to take the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of The Traveler, do so in the Fight Club or those threads dedicated to Giotto and his clients.
Ontopic,
Am I to assume that a woman fresh and new to the prostitution scene in a farang-oriented tourist sector of Thailand has never worked in the (predominantly bareback) Thai-oriented prostitution scene in her home region? What indicators/guidelines should I use to decide how safe my sex should be with such women?
M P Lurker
11-15-06, 09:46
I think discussion of what activities are risky or not so risky is far more worthwhile than debating whether one girl is more risky than another.
If the right precautions are taken the girl's background history becomes an insignificant factor which is just as well since we will never know what the background is for a new aquantaince.
Any normal girl is a high risk if she has ever had unprotected sex in the few months before her last blood test (or anytime after) if she had one.
Now all of that is really unknown, ain't it.
Am I feeling lucky today, punk? (Sorry Clint)
Better to protect all risky activities. I don't beleive in luck.
Shit happens all the time.
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