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Vito Corleone
11-05-08, 08:47
Lost sensation? LOL! Maybe you should try what I suggested first and see if it works. I guarantee it will. Then another "fuck the condom" advocate will be converted and cease being a menace to society.
For you to say "if that works" suggests it could, so why wouldn't it work for you if you put some work into it? A man is a man and a dick is still a dick. Therefore, please, spare me the different strokes baloney.
I have already provided several proofs that using the condom can feel just as good as without it, if not better. So quit being so selfish & ignorant.
I don't give a rats ass if it does or does not work! If it works for you, good! Unless you want to handle this mano a mano, go f**k yourself with lube in the condom.
Lover Boy #2
11-06-08, 08:45
I don't give a rats ass if it does or does not work! If it works for you, good! Unless you want to handle this mano a mano, go f**k yourself with lube in the condom.
"It's funny, you know. It's a good story, it's funny, you're a funny guy".
NicFrenchy
11-06-08, 09:29
Unless you want to handle this mano a mano, go f**k yourself with lube in the condom.
I am interested... what does Mano a mano really means? you're gonna ask Jimmy "the Nose" to beat him up? :D
II went to a public facility and they gave me the OraSure test and I had my results -- negative -- in 20 minutes.
He said that he had done about 10,000 tests over many years and not a single heterosexual male tested positive.
What does this mean? I find it extremely confusing.So the OraSure test is an antibody test, and it will only detect HIV antibodies, which appear in the blood about 3 months post-infection.
Most people who have a test go because they have a specific reason, ie they had unprotected sex the night before. The OraSure test is utterly utterly useless for this. So it doesn't surprise me that a doctor in a holiday setting with a transient population will see mostly negatives.
If he did the PCR test (which detects HIV particles in the blood) he might see a very different picture...
Cuba Tourist
11-07-08, 02:38
There are two separate stories that I need to distinguish. The first one was the HIV test that I took back in the United States. I spoke to an AIDS counselor who works at the public health clinic and he is the one that told me that he has not seen a single case where a heterosexual male got HIV from a woman. I presume that a heavy percentage of the people coming there are black and lower income.
The second story is my discussion with the doctor in Puerto Galera. The doctor there said that there were very few positives when the bar girls were tested every six months -- only one actually in recent memory. Here is where your point is most applicable -- the girls come and go almost as much as the tourists do. Any girl that thinks she might be sick probably leaves before the test or somehow avoids taking it. Other girls may have HIV but may test negative because they just got it.
The three-month window is basically a maximum -- 99% of people who caught HIV will show the antibodies by the three-month mark. But many if not most will show it by six weeks. The counselor told me that in his experience the OraSure test is so sensitive it actually shows within three weeks. He is just talking from personal experience rather than from a scientific point of view, but if he is correct, that would cut down the window substantially.
Unfortunately, it is not sufficiently sensitive. The bar girls may have caught HIV in the last several weeks -- many have only been in the bar for three weeks or six weeks. They tell me they've only had one boyfriend before that. Even if they're lying and they've had five, but still not very many compared to how many guys they will have slept with six weeks in the bar. So knowing their HIV status six weeks ago or even three weeks ago is unfortunately of limited value.
Vito Corleone
11-07-08, 10:39
"It's funny, you know. It's a good story, it's funny, you're a funny guy".
What do you mean I'm funny. Like a clown I amuse you.
Vito Corleone
11-07-08, 10:40
I am interested... what does Mano a mano really means? you're gonna ask Jimmy "the Nose" to beat him up? :D
Lucca Brasi
if he did the pcr test (which detects hiv particles in the blood) he might see a very different picture...
for pcr use in detecting aids, professor kary mullis, who received the 1993 nobel prize in chemistry for his development of the polymerase chain reaction (pcr), is more than sceptical, and i guess he should know, because he is the inventor of pcr and got the nobel prize for that.
prof. mullis has drawn controversy for his association with prominent aids denialist peter duesberg and his rejection of the evidence that hivcauses aids. at a 1994 conference in toledo, spain, mullis changed the topic of his speech at the last minute, and instead lectured the crowd on his idea that hiv does not cause aids.
mullis wrote in an introduction to duesberg's inventing the aids virus (1997), "no one has ever proven that hiv causes aids. we have not been able to discover any good reasons why most of the people on earth believe that aids is a disease caused by a virus called hiv." mullis has stated that aids is an arbitrary diagnosis in which common medical conditions are mislabelled as aids when antibodies to hiv are found in a patient.”
the full text of mullis’s introduction to prof. duesberg’s book can be found at http://www.duesberg.com/viewpoints/kintro.html. in it, he recalls his confronting prof. montagnier, the most recent nobel prize winner in that field for his work on hiv (that got montagnier into a nasty lawsuit with prof. gallo, the “official” inventor of hiv and original proponent of the hiv/aids theory).
prof. mullis is a somewhat controversial scientist for more reasons than his foray with aids denialists. no matter what, he is a nobel prize winner who sparkled controversy with heretic views in his own field of expertise, unlike other nobels who proved that they were pathetically wrong outside of their field.
Sorry, but you can provide all the "proofs" you want, but with or without extra lube inside the condom, the sensations (in my own case) are better without a condom... it does not mean that I'm advocating uncovered sex (and I won't go bareback with girls whom I don't know for sure their STD/HIV health status), but what you're saying is just untrue (again, at least in my own case).Interesting. But not really dealing with the issue. Like I hinted at before, if you get stimulated for a certain time before vaginal intercourse, then using the condom for banging her will feel just as good as without it.
For example, a guy masterbates with lube for 30 minutes while a TG is licking his balls and fingering his asshole, all 3 at the same time. By then the feeling is getting pretty good and the hotdog is rock solid. At that point fucking her with or without the condom would not feel any different.
So there is really no need to go without a condom. Unless it is your objective to make babies or pass on STDs.
I don't give a rats ass if it does or does not work! If it works for you, good! Unless you want to handle this mano a mano, go f**k yourself with lube in the condom.
Please accept my apologies for that post, which was really harsh.
That was the first and last time i will contribute to this site while drunk.
OTOH, someone had to take up the slack for OTHs absence.
According to the well documented website http://www.aliveandwell.org/, Professor Montagnier, the 2008 Nobel Prize laureate for his work on HIV, offers in a film interview from 2007some really startling remarks that make him sound more like an "AIDS dissident" than an HIV advocate:
• HIV alone cannot cause AIDS, it requires co-factors
• Oxidative stress is the most important co-factor
• The immune systems of people that are healthy and properly nourished render HIV harmless
• Antiretroviral drugs for AIDS are toxic, do not specifically target HIV, and cannot be tolerated over the course of a lifetime
The website offers startling revelations about why Professor Gallo, who claimed he found that what was causing AIDS was a retrovirus called HIV and has been presented for 25 years as the “inventor” of HIV, was simply ignored by the Nobel academy.
For example, a guy masterbates with lube for 30 minutes while a TG is licking his balls and fingering his asshole, all 3 at the same time. By then the feeling is getting pretty good and the hotdog is rock solid. At that point fucking her with or without the condom would not feel any different.
Nonsense. I don't care how much ball-licking or asshole-fingering is accomplished prior to coitus (and I should note I'm not a fan of either), the condomless sex will still feel tremendously better than the condom-sex.
According to the well documented website http://www.aliveandwell.org/, Professor Montagnier, the 2008 Nobel Prize laureate for his work on HIV, offers in a film interview from 2007some really startling remarks that make him sound more like an "AIDS dissident" than an HIV advocate:It's on the internet! It must be true!
• HIV alone cannot cause AIDS, it requires co-factorsPossibly, so what?
• Oxidative stress is the most important co-factorOxidative stress, caused by normal metabolism of sugars
• The immune systems of people that are healthy and properly nourished render HIV harmlessExcept for those who have died.
• Antiretroviral drugs for AIDS are toxic, do not specifically target HIV, and cannot be tolerated over the course of a lifetime
Absolutely correct, although with the caveat that 'lifetime' is considerably shorter without them.
The website offers startling revelations about why Professor Gallo, who claimed he found that what was causing AIDS was a retrovirus called HIV and has been presented for 25 years as the “inventor” of HIV, was simply ignored by the Nobel academy.Or you might prefer this link:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CEFDA103DF932A05751C1A964958260&sec=health&pagewanted=print
Lover Boy #2
11-08-08, 05:00
What do you mean I'm funny. Like a clown I amuse you.
PinkPearl "Please accept my apologies for that post, which was really harsh".
"When they found PinkPearl in the meat truck, he was frozen so stiff it took them three days to thaw him out for the autopsy".
Nonsense. I don't care how much ball-licking or asshole-fingering is accomplished prior to coitus (and I should note I'm not a fan of either), the condomless sex will still feel tremendously better than the condom-sex.Maybe for you, but not for me. And in your case I suggest it may be so, but only because your mind has been brainwashed to such an extent that it is affecting your body to feel that way. In a similar manner as a placebo works to heal a sick person. Or one who is psychotic and delusional may be scared to death even though there is no real danger.
IOW, your mind has been deluded to believe that condom sex will not feel as good for you as going bareback. So it "makes it so". Mind over matter, as they say. It is a fact that sex is a very mental thing, and one's frame of mind will affect the experience.
But that is nothing that some reeducation and or psychiatic counselling cannot correct. Maybe AA, NA, or GA would be a good place for you to start. BTW, those are not names of TGs who insist on using a condom.
As to how one becomes brainwashed in your way, I have a few theories.
But the evidence of self deception is there in the quote above. And from comments you've made in the past, such as a reference to "fucking a condom" being contrasted with bareback. As long as you continue to think in these terms you will be biased, fail to be objective, and feel better without a condom.
Interesting. But not really dealing with the issue. Like I hinted at before, if you get stimulated for a certain time before vaginal intercourse, then using the condom for banging her will feel just as good as without it.
For example, a guy masterbates with lube for 30 minutes while a TG is licking his balls and fingering his asshole, all 3 at the same time. By then the feeling is getting pretty good and the hotdog is rock solid. At that point fucking her with or without the condom would not feel any different.
So there is really no need to go without a condom. Unless it is your objective to make babies or pass on STDs.Not dealing with the issue? Really? You said:
I have already provided several proofs that using the condom can feel just as good as without it, if not better."And I answered:
Sorry, but you can provide all the "proofs" you want, but with or without extra lube inside the condom, the sensations (in my own case) are better without a condom... it does not mean that I'm advocating uncovered sex (and I won't go bareback with girls whom I don't know for sure their STD/HIV health status), but what you're saying is just untrue (again, at least in my own case).Imho, the issue is not whether "uncovered" sex is or not safer than "covered" sex. Nobody seriously contests this point: covered sex is safer. But saying that "using a condom can feel just as good as without if, if not better" is. Despite what you are saying. Unproven, and untrue in a great majority of cases. Actually, you are apparently alone here thinking alike.
Moreover, you example is irrelevant and certainly not a "proof".
Again, I am not advocating uncovered sex (bis repetita placent), but you have to admit that a covered blow job (for instance) performed by the same girl with an equal mastery can't provide you the same agreeable sensations than an uncovered one. The difference is even more obvious if the girl has poor skills.
With or without lube inside them, do you see often a guy caressing his girlfriend's hair with surgeon gloves? You should try it as you believe that the sensation can be "as good as or even better than without" them.
Your cause (advocating safe sex) is laudable, but you're using a wrong argument here.
But Pink, even if I sit in this chair naked, I feel it more than when I'm wearing trousers.
I should think my claims that one feels a thing more when one touches it than when one is separated from it are fairly uncontroversial.
Freeman 418
11-13-08, 11:24
I don't give a toss about any of this philosophizing about what feels better.
The topic, if I'm correct, is about Safe sex in Thailand.. maybe I read it wrong.
The point is that if I have HPV, warts, herpes, Hep C, or whatever, and go out and give it bareback to a few 100 girls, and especially the places I know that you frequent.. chances are you're gonna get a nice gift.
But this is the sort of behavior you're advocating..
So in the end do what you want to do.. or what you think feels better. Who cares?
But Pink, even if I sit in this chair naked, I feel it more than when I'm wearing trousers.
I should think my claims that one feels a thing more when one touches it than when one is separated from it are fairly uncontroversial.
NicFrenchy
11-13-08, 12:25
The point is that if I have HPV, warts, herpes, Hep C, or whatever, and go out and give it bareback to a few 100 girls, and especially the places I know that you frequent.. chances are you're gonna get a nice gift.
I am no doctor but, I think if she has herpes, the rubber won't make a difference, you'll still catch it.
I am no doctor but, I think if she has herpes, the rubber won't make a difference, you'll still catch it.Apparently, it does make a difference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom
Condoms are widely recommended for the prevention of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). They have been shown to be effective in reducing infection rates in both men and women. While not perfect, the condom is effective at reducing the transmission of HIV, genital herpes, genital warts, syphilis, chlamydia, gonorrhea, and other diseases.
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A 2006 study reports that proper condom use decreases the risk of transmission for human papillomavirus by approximately 70%. Another study in the same year found consistent condom use was effective at reducing transmission of herpes simplex virus-2 also known as genital herpes, in both men and women.
M P Lurker
11-13-08, 14:52
I am no doctor but, I think if she has herpes, the rubber won't make a difference, you'll still catch it.
Do you mean you'll catch it from BBBJ or something else?
Once a doctor told me I had herpes cold sores on the mouth.
Fortunately I then saw a skin specialist who said it obviously wasn't. Just a bacterial infection that responded very well to anti-biotics. I got lucky!
Later I was not so lucky when doctors failed to give me anti-biotics for an eye infection thinking it was a virus. 4 weeks of suffering ensued.
I now think its better to just take the anti-biotics to at least eliminate common bacterial infections.
Freeman 418
11-14-08, 14:51
There's many herpes virus types.. it's my understanding that the genital type isn't commonly transmitted through mouth contact. People who already get cold sores around their mouth have at least one type.
And yeah.. rubbers do give some form of barrier for genital herpes.. makes sense if there's an outbreak on in and around her vagina, and only the rubber makes contact.. not 100%, but way better than nothing.
As for antibiotics, they won't do anything for a virus, but for bacteria, yeah they're a good bomb attack. I don't abuse them though (oral ones) because they do horrid things to the digestive system and whipe out any form of "good" bacteria as well.
Do you mean you'll catch it from BBBJ or something else?
Once a doctor told me I had herpes cold sores on the mouth.
Fortunately I then saw a skin specialist who said it obviously wasn't. Just a bacterial infection that responded very well to anti-biotics. I got lucky!
Later I was not so lucky when doctors failed to give me anti-biotics for an eye infection thinking it was a virus. 4 weeks of suffering ensued.
I now think its better to just take the anti-biotics to at least eliminate common bacterial infections.
M P Lurker
11-14-08, 15:15
And yeah.. rubbers do give some form of barrier for genital herpes.. makes sense if there's an outbreak on in and around her vagina, and only the rubber makes contact.. not 100%, but way better than nothing.
So could Herpes be caught somewhere other than dick (covered by condom) like balls etc.? or is this rather unlikely?
The Departed
11-14-08, 17:43
You can get genital herpes on the mouth with the right contacts. Heere are search links
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=herpes+mouth+genital&btnG=Search&meta=
If you fuck dirty people, you can get dirty diseases. So far, I have been lucky. (I think).
So could Herpes be caught somewhere other than dick (covered by condom) like balls etc.? or is this rather unlikely?
As far as I know, herpes is transmitted through tiny breaks in the skin - which are most likely to occur in mucuous membranes (mouth, genitals). So assuming you don't scratch your balls to violenty, they shouldn't be in danger ;)
However, the different types of herpes can travel. In an interview, a researcher recently commented that they nowadays find types typically causing cold sores and mouth ulcers in other regions (and vice versa) - obviously reflecting changes in sexual practices ...
I have been following these discussions with great interest but not much on which brands of condom you guys prefer and their availability in Thailand. Which feels best and which are most reliable? Use lube or dry? Haven't needed them in 20 years so know little.
Thanks,
Slim
AntiPopular
11-15-08, 15:13
In pathology, the classification of "Herpes virus" is a very vague one. Chickenpox, eppstein-barr and CMV.
In common usage though, you're talking about the Herpes Simplex Virus (HSV). HSV-1 is generally what's known as "oral herpes" and HSV-2 is generally known as "genital herpes". As someone said a few previous posts back.- it's possible to be infected with HSV-1 in your genital region, and HSV-2 around your mouth. With that said, In the odd chance that you are infected this way, your symptoms generally are much less severe and less frequent than if you were infected with the 'correct' strain for that area of your body.
Transmission is obviously most easily done when there is contact with mucous membranes, as with any disease. Even so, the virus can still be transmitted via skin-to-skin, or if some vaginal fluid finds its way. For instance, I had a patient who presented with anal herpes, who (claimed) that the girl was wet, and her fluids leaked to his ass. While I'm not sure if this is true, it's definitely possible.
Retired Army
11-15-08, 22:29
I have been following these discussions with great interest but not much on which brands of condom you guys prefer and their availability in Thailand. Which feels best and which are most reliable? Use lube or dry? Haven't needed them in 20 years so know little.
Thanks,
Slim
If you have a normal sized Farang dick you should bring your own condoms from the States or wherever. Sometimes you buy a condom in Thailand and it's too small and will therefore be prone to tearing. I prefer the roomy ones with a big head, and as for lubrication, too much dulls the sensation but not enough can also cause problems. I personally don't care about the lubrication because at my age only a BBBJ with CIM will get me off.
BTW, many of the major brands are made in Thailand, but it's difficult to find the larger sizes in BKK.
I have been following these discussions with great interest but not much on which brands of condom you guys prefer and their availability in Thailand. Which feels best and which are most reliable? Use lube or dry? Haven't needed them in 20 years so know little.
Thanks,
SlimDurex condoms are widely available in Thailand (every 7-Eleven for instance can provide various models by this brand). In Thailand, I use Durex Pleasuremax condoms but my favorite condom is probably the "Mutual Pleasure" model from Hansaplast (I don't know whether or not it's available here, I buy those while I'm back in France).
M P Lurker
11-16-08, 03:28
Sometimes you buy a condom in Thailand and it's too small and will therefore be prone to tearing. I prefer the roomy ones with a big head, and as for lubrication, too much dulls the sensation but not enough can also cause problems. I personally don't care about the lubrication because at my age only a BBBJ with CIM will get me off.
BTW, many of the major brands are made in Thailand, but it's difficult to find the larger sizes in BKK.
No its not difficult really.
DUREX Comfort is 54mm with the larger bulbed head.
I don't find it much different to larger size from Germany, Australia, etc.
Available in most 7/11 or Pharmacies in Sukhumvit Road or Patpong district, but non-touristy areas may not have it.
Standard 52mm is available of course and 49mm.
For prolonged sex with a condom, lube becomes essential.
I think KY is crap. Too sticky. Durex Play is a passable but not great.
I prefer Condomi or Ritex Gel that I got from Germany Schlecker store.
Thai Companion
11-16-08, 13:35
My doctor(good doctor at maybe best hospital in bkk) that from the issan sex workers he tests about 9 in 10 have hpv and the gay sex workers including very bi-sexual about 1 in 3 for Hiv and 1 in 2 if gay gay and older.
i don't want to make people afriad of thai sex worker but not wearing a condom is spitting at life and spitting at the world and is a show that the person is very uneducated or very bitter and angry or very very selfish and angry.
The doctor told me that the workers themselves are normally very uneducated and a lot don't show outside symtons of their std's and the men they have sex with may not show symtons for many months or not at all if have good white cells? but still carry the std and spread it.
Maybe i should not say but the rate of std's in Thailand is very much higher over what is official but Tourist money is so high that is better not to you know give a bad image. Is there information on the official numbers of std in thailand here.
Just wear a condom. it's the right thing to do.
But Pink, even if I sit in this chair naked, I feel it more than when I'm wearing trousers.
I should think my claims that one feels a thing more when one touches it than when one is separated from it are fairly uncontroversial.I think it should be uncontroversial that a condom cannot be compared to a pair of trousers, certainly not jeans. Maybe if they were made of some very fine material like a woman's silk neglige. And then the same could be soaked with water, oil, or liquid KY.
As to the point of separation, if a lady massages my lubed up balls with a latex medical glove, she is still touching me even if indirectly. It is not like she is in another room down the hall. And, BTW, in my experience, there is no perceptible difference in sensation between the use of the gloved and the bare hand on my nutsacks, with generous amounts of lube being used for both.
But unlike the glove massage with lube, where the glove is free to move around on the male genitals, and with it move the lube as well, the condom may not be moving around on the penis during a CBJ or CFS, and as a result the sensation may not be as good as bareback. Personally I find that during a CBJ the sucking motions tend to pull the condom upwards and towards coming off, so there is a lot of friction which may enhance the feeling to the point of making it feel as good as a BBBJ. BTW the saliva as a lube from a BBBJ may not be as pleasurable as a store bought liquid lubricant placed on the dick prior to the CBJ. Have you ever tried the heat sensation lubes?
For me there is a psychological turn on factor of the bare BJ as opposed to the same with a condom, especially if it is a coloured condom that obscures my view, as opposed to a crystal clear see through cover. But this mental turn on may be cancelled out due to the worrisome thoughts about getting STDs.
Again, I am not advocating uncovered sex (bis repetita placent), but you have to admit that a covered blow job (for instance) performed by the same girl with an equal mastery can't provide you the same agreeable sensations than an uncovered one. The difference is even more obvious if the girl has poor skills.
With or without lube inside them, do you see often a guy caressing his girlfriend's hair with surgeon gloves? You should try it as you believe that the sensation can be "as good as or even better than without" them.I have earlier today addressed the BJ subject with my experiences and ideas in a post to Opebo.
Re your hair example, I have never tried this and would suggest it is a case of apples and oranges. What I have tried is recieving a balls massage with a lubed up latex glove and also with a bare hand, and the sensation was the same in either case. This example also is touched upon in more detail in the above mentioned post.
I don't give a toss about any of this philosophizing about what feels better.
The topic, if I'm correct, is about Safe sex in Thailand.. maybe I read it wrong.
The point is that if I have HPV, warts, herpes, Hep C, or whatever, and go out and give it bareback to a few 100 girls, and especially the places I know that you frequent.. chances are you're gonna get a nice gift.
But this is the sort of behavior you're advocating..
So in the end do what you want to do.. or what you think feels better. Who cares?To answer the question.
I guess one concern is that if those going BB are spreading disease, that is putting those who practice safe sex at greater risk. If the condom breaks, for example, and one picks up HIV, a death sentence, from a lady who would not have otherwise had HIV if some guy going bareback hadn't infected her.
30 days at Thailand, 8 differentet girls, and I think I got Mononucleosis.
I don't know why people don't speak about this too much, if you have not beeing infected by mono before, and you like kissing, I guess you have a 100% probabilty of catching it. And it's quite a nasty illness.
Vito Corleone
11-20-08, 05:09
I don't give a toss about any of this philosophizing about what feels better.
The topic, if I'm correct, is about Safe sex in Thailand.. maybe I read it wrong.
Then don't f**king reply
M P Lurker
11-20-08, 05:59
30 days at Thailand, 8 differentet girls, and I think I got Mononucleosis.
I don't know why people don't speak about this too much, if you have not beeing infected by mono before, and you like kissing, I guess you have a 100% probabilty of catching it. And it's quite a nasty illness.
Seems to be another name for "Glandular Fever".
Obviously we do not have a 100% probability of catching it, otherwise we all would have caught it already.
I have been kissing many girls for years and still do not have it,
or perhaps I have had it already without knowing and recovered. I did have a severe virus for several days 2-3 years back without knowing what it was (but no swollen glands to my knowledge), probably caught from a P4P girl.
Or maybe I have been lucky enough not to kiss a girl that is currently contagious with this virus.
Kissing is well known to be dangerous for catching various viruses from girls. Its generally significantly more dangerous than giving DATY for example.
M P Lurker
11-20-08, 06:16
My doctor(good doctor at maybe best hospital in bkk) that from the issan sex workers he tests about 9 in 10 have hpv ......
I have to be sceptical of this figure.
I believe from, internet browsing, that 50% of sexually active people acquire HPV at some point in their lives, but 90% of people can eliminate it, through their own immune system, within 2 years.
Now given that many high class P4P girls insist on condoms all the time, and given that a fairly good percentage of those who have had it are already cured, it seems impossible that 9 out of ten tested can currently have it.
If you said 9 out of 10 P4Ps have had it at some point, I would find that more plausible.
It seems that longer term P4Ps may be actually less likely to have HPV if their immune system has already had enough time to eliminate it. Newbies with HPV are more likely to still have it.
Now given that many high class P4P girls insist on condoms all the time...
Not with their 'boyfriends' (pimps), ML. In all seriousness the idea of a woman who never has actual sex is a kind of absurdity. Do any of you really believe such women exist?
The mongerman, sex provider, or even the sexually active adult who has not been exposed to HPV must be an great rarity.
M P Lurker
11-20-08, 08:18
Not with their 'boyfriends' (pimps), ML. In all seriousness the idea of a woman who never has actual sex is a kind of absurdity. Do any of you really believe such women exist?
The mongerman, sex provider, or even the sexually active adult who has not been exposed to HPV must be an great rarity.
A percentage of P4P girls are smart enough not to have any boyfriend leaching off them, believe it or not.
Classy Thai guys usually won't have a bar of a P4P girl, and she sometimes doesn't want to pick up a lousy BF who will just sponge off her.
Many P4P girls are getting plenty of sex and don't need any recreational sex as well. I don't know the percentages. Doing an accurate survey is obviously impossible.
Perhaps the number of P4Ps that have had HPV and already fully eliminated it might be a low percentage, if we were to assume that average length of time doing P4P was 3 years or less. But I don't know the average number of years.
Actually I don't know why I am talking about P4P, as non P4P girls having heaps of BB sex are at higher risk than P4Ps who use condoms. As you pointed out any sexually active adult.
Also that 50% of people getting it at some time might be a USA figure rather than Thailand figure. So I am starting to conceded that a high percentage currently having the HPV is vaguely possible. But 90% still stretches my imagination.
Anyway Opebo, don't be concerned. If you were ever going to get it, you would have had it long ago and may not have it any longer.
The rest of us using condoms are not going to be too worried about it either.
There is now a vaccination for girls and may well be one for men in the near future, or we can just get innoculated same as girls, but I seem to recall its expensive.
Gardasil I think its called.
Covered sex is safer. Nobody contests this fact. But as for "sensations being the same or even better with a condom", you are alone thinking alike, Pink Pearl. But, please, stop saying that all other people who don't share your point of view are "brainwashed" or psychologically conditioned to feel what they actually feel.
30 days at Thailand, 8 differentet girls, and I think I got Mononucleosis.
I don't know why people don't speak about this too much, if you have not beeing infected by mono before, and you like kissing, I guess you have a 100% probabilty of catching it. And it's quite a nasty illness.I like kissing and have kissed more hookers than that in Bangkok, plus just as many crack and or heroin addicted SWs in my home cuntry. And over five years and dozens, maybe hundreds, of hours of nothing but kissing, I have never contracted Mono, so maybe you were just very unlucky. Although I generally avoid tongue kissing, and keep my saliva to myself as much as possible with open mouth kissing and expect the lady to do so also.
Overly wet lips on her are not a pleasure for me, though I keep mine well oiled with lip balms, both flavored and medicated as a preventative. And of course keep it freshened with listerine, sugarless gum, and mints.
Recently a P4P TG told me Thai girls do not like to kiss. In my experience though it is easy to find TGs who are willing to do so, and they actually have kissed better than those mentioned above in Canada.
Just as no two ladies lick balls alike, no two women kiss the same. And if one is very particular or picky about how they want to do it, then they may have some difficulty finding the right girl for them. In BKK you can find everything in the range of those who will kiss only softly with their mouth closed to those who are into wild and crazy deep french slobering.
Personally I require something inbetween these two extremes. And often enjoy smooching for up to one or two hours at a time. This is too long for most ladies, as it would also be for most for genital intercourse. But to some TGs kissing is considered an easier form of work than sucking or fucking, so getting together with me can a nice break for them if all we do is kiss. Some claim to enjoy kissing and their actions seem to back that up, whereas others show that they are obviously not into it, so I quickly dump them if they are not good for anything else.
Of course avoid kissing or doing anything with anyone with obvious sores on their mouth, face, pussy, or asshole.
Covered sex is safer. Nobody contests this fact. But as for "sensations being the same or even better with a condom", you are alone thinking alike, Pink Pearl. But, please, stop saying that all other people who don't share your point of view are "brainwashed" or psychologically conditioned to feel what they actually feel. If as much as a handful of posters have expressed disagreement with my view and I am "alone", outnumbered five to one, so what? That is about as relevant as arguing that the the minority in Nazi Germany who opposed Hitler were relatively alone compared to the majority of the masses who followed his brainwashing and or madness.
And why should I stop saying that people can feel a certain way because of their thinking, like a claustrophibic person scared because he's in an elevator? My life may be at risk if Opebo has HIV and continues to do TGs without protection.
Until you have tried all the things I have suggested to make condom sex feel as good or better than bareback, I would kindly suggest that your words are boxing with the air and farting into the wind.
Godwin's law, PinkP! (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/) But I suppose most people condemn barebackers at least as much as they do Nazis.
If as much as a handful of posters have expressed disagreement with my view and I am "alone", outnumbered five to one, so what? That is about as relevant as arguing that the the minority in Nazi Germany who opposed Hitler were relatively alone compared to the majority of the masses who followed his brainwashing and or madness.Opebo beat me invoking the Godwin's law. Your argument here is absolutely irrelevant! And you were speaking about "apples and oranges" when I suggested that you caress a woman's hair with your hands wearing surgeon gloves?
And why should I stop saying that people can feel a certain way because of their thinking, like a claustrophibic person scared because he's in an elevator?Apples and oranges (as you may say!). People don't feel what they feel because of "their thinking" in most sexual acts. You are the one who want to convince us that covered sex gives the same or even more agreeable sensations than uncovered sex. It's just untrue, period. I never read nor heard anybody apart you (even among safe sex advocates) saying such nonsense. Yes, protected sex is safer, but no, it doesn't feel the same nor better than uncovered sex. Come on! Do you put a condom on your dick for a wank? Unlikely!
My life may be at risk if Opebo has HIV and continues to do TGs without protection.Why would your life be at risk if you practice safe sex and use lube and condoms? Instead of insisting with your allegations about sensations, you should focus on safe practices that include how to prevent condom failures.
Until you have tried all the things I have suggested to make condom sex feel as good or better than bareback, I would kindly suggest that your words are boxing with the air and farting into the wind.Until I see you wanking with a condom... Again, I practice safe sex with women whom I don't know their HIV/STDs health status, don't be afraid, but not because it feels better, just because it's... safer! (It's called "safe sex" and not "better sex" for a reason, no?)
I compare what is comparable: same sexual act, covered (with lube or not) and uncovered, with people of comparable skills, and uncovered sex feels better in all cases, at least for me and for probably every other monger here apart you, PearlPink! Oh, yes... I almost forgot that's because we are a bunch of brainwashed Nazi supporters at ISG! But don't be afraid, I will certainly use a surgeon glove if one day I have to perform a DRE (digital rectal examination) on you. And I can already tell you that it would feel really good, at least at my side, but I am probably psychologically conditioned here!
But in the meanwhile, I have a little gift for you, PinkPearl: http://imagehoster.us/uploads/8187e728d6.jpg
Cheers,
G.
To whom it may concern:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=815821&postcount=228
Giotto
M P Lurker
11-22-08, 07:38
....
We talked about where he thought he had got it - and he said that he had always used condoms, when he was actively hunting in Pattaya, Sri Racha or Chonburi. No exception, always condom! --- But sometimes the condoms were broken, of course, shit happens. Bad luck. I asked about his Thai wife ... and he turned away and did not answer.
...
Afterwards its hard to show who gave it to who. Its quite likely that he got it from the wife or else he is stretching the truth about his mongering.
My ex GF in Thailand insisted that both she and I get tested on a reasonably regular basis. I think its a good idea as "trust" is greatly over-rated.
You are the one who want to convince us that covered sex gives the same or even more agreeable sensations than uncovered sex. It's just untrue, period.Actually if I recall I stated that Opebo may find BB sex feels better than condom sex. But to such I say that is because either they have not tried certain things, some of which I've already mentioned, to make condom sex feel as good as or better than BB, or their mind has programmed them to feel that way. You have already admitted that the latter is a possibility. As for the former, you have not addressed it at all.
If a sadist or a masochist has mental problems such that they get off and feel good being that way, I think that many who practice BB sex are not much different. Some of them have issues with women and want to hurt them. Hence no condom. Get them pregnant. Give them STDs. Fill them full of cum. Degrade them. Tell them BB or forget it and in so doing coerce them into putting themselves at risk. These guys would not enjoy sex with a condom. It has nothing to do with a condom per se causing sexual intercourse to be less pleasurable, but the problem is with their stinking thinking. I suggest that there are a number of mental issues besides misogyny that can lead men to demand BB sex and cause them to enjoy it more, while a normal person could discover that condom sex CAN be equally pleasurable, IF they know how to do it. The sick person, OTOH, might get help from AA, NA, GA, etc.
But as I've implied before, if you are like the vast majority of men who cum during genital intercourse in zero to twenty minutes, then you may never discover that condom sex can be just as good or better than BB. Especially so if you are unable to get pleasured by a woman or masterbating or both simultaneously to the point of ecstasy without cumming prior to genital intercourse. It typicly takes me an average of maybe 30 minutes to get to that point. Then after if I do not cum during sex, which is usually the way I want it, the next sexual encounter will be even more pleasurable.
I hope that clarifies some things for you and brings you up to date on this discussion. More later, as I have a very hot date to attend.
Until you have tried all the things I have suggested to make condom sex feel as good or better than bareback, I would kindly suggest that your words are boxing with the air and farting into the wind.
I for one am interested in anything that will improve sex with a condom. In my younger days in the 80s, it was not dangerous to go bareback but today, its scary.
I looked back through the messages and could not find your post. Please repeat and expand on your method.
Thanks,
Slim
Actually if I recall I stated that Opebo may find BB sex feels better than condom sex. But to such I say that is because either they have not tried certain things, some of which I've already mentioned, to make condom sex feel as good as or better than BB, or their mind has programmed them to feel that way.That's roughly what you wrote (among other things) at a certain point of this thread, but it's not exactly what made me intervene. Read again my previous posts as you seem to have already forgotten who said what, when and why.
You have already admitted that the latter is a possibility.No. It was not me. By the way, yourself implied that, putting this allegation in the "mouth" of another poster even if that was not his words. Read previous posts.
As for the former, you have not addressed it at all.I did not need to do that as it was not the issue for me. Read again my previous posts and start addressing the points I have made instead of digressing all the time. Every attentive reader has already noticed how you try to avoid certain questions (for instance, invoking "apples and oranges" irrelevantly) because you can't find a real answer that would not prove you wrong.
If a sadist or a masochist has mental problems such that they get off and feel good being that way, I think that many who practice BB sex are not much different. Some of them have issues with women and want to hurt them. Hence no condom. Get them pregnant. Give them STDs. Fill them full of cum. Degrade them. Tell them BB or forget it and in so doing coerce them into putting themselves at risk. These guys would not enjoy sex with a condom. It has nothing to do with a condom per se causing sexual intercourse to be less pleasurable, but the problem is with their stinking thinking. I suggest that there are a number of mental issues besides misogyny that can lead men to demand BB sex and cause them to enjoy it more, while a normal person could discover that condom sex CAN be equally pleasurable, IF they know how to do it. The sick person, OTOH, might get help from AA, NA, GA, etc.Absolutely irrelevant diatribe (because it is not what I am discussing here with you). Again, read my previous posts thoroughly as you seem to have completely missed my points. And by the way, your cheap pseudo-psychological logorrhea is full of unfounded assumptions. After implying that ISG members who don't share your point of view are just a bunch of brainwashed fascists, you are now suggesting that those who don't practice safe sex are "sadist or masochist with mental problems". Wow! I don't condone unprotected intercourse (especially with hookers) and don't approve certain barebackers' attitudes, but you are going way too far here, methinks!
But as I've implied before, if you are like the vast majority of men who cum during genital intercourse in zero to twenty minutes, then you may never discover that condom sex can be just as good or better than BB.Believe it or not, but I am not in the "vast majority of men". Actually, that's the main reason why I am a *****monger: I need variety. With a regular girlfriend, I get bored sooner or later. Vaginal intercourse sometimes last hours (yes, hours, without any medication, and no, I'm not a boaster, but with a few 5-10 minutes pauses though...), I have good feelings, but often can't cum. Guess what, It's even "worse" if I have to use condoms (but again, I use them when I don't know for sure the HIV/STD health status of my partners because it is indisputably safer). I can cum more easily and quickly with women that I don't know yet too much. So, P4P is the (most convenient) way to (cum and) go for me...
Especially so if you are unable to get pleasured by a woman or masterbating or both simultaneously to the point of ecstasy without cumming prior to genital intercourse. It typicly takes me an average of maybe 30 minutes to get to that point. Then after if I do not cum during sex, which is usually the way I want it, the next sexual encounter will be even more pleasurable.Another irrelevant digression.
I hope that clarifies some things for you and brings you up to date on this discussion. Not really. But it doesn't matter anyway.
More later, as I have a very hot date to attend.Don't bother. I don't care. Especially since you've already demonstrated that you don't read attentively what others write and quote them quite incorrectly, ascribing to them opinions and sentences that are not theirs...
That's why I will almost certainly just ignore your next reply. This discussion is getting more and more tiresome and boring (at least for me, one of those stupid brainwashed ISG members who can't be convinced despite all your efforts that he should put on a condom for his next wank!)
Godwin's law, PinkP! (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/) But I suppose most people condemn barebackers at least as much as they do Nazis.If you have a point to make feel free to post a sentence or two here, as I am not inclined to read such a lengthy page. However any reference to Naziism was merely incidental to my point, if you grasped it, and I could have used any number of other examples to make it.
Yes, protected sex is safer, but no, it doesn't feel the same nor better than uncovered sex. Come on! Do you put a condom on your dick for a wank? Unlikely!Well condom sex feels as good for me, so I don't know what your problem is, or what you are doing wrong. Maybe a sex shrink could help you out.
Do I put a cover on to jerk off? Why would I waste the money to buy a condom for that? Are you in the habit of flushing dollars down the toilet?
But if you think it feels any better to use your bare hand as opposed to a condom on your lubed up dick, perhaps you should try it sometime.
Experience has already proven to me that it feels just as good with the condom on. For example during an intermission of a CBJ, such as when the lady goes to the can to barf.
Cheerio mate. And best of luck. LOL.
Why would your life be at risk if you practice safe sex and use lube and condoms? Because condoms can break, slip off, be flawed. Then a barebacker who has passed on HIV to a lady could be indirectly infecting me with the same, a death sentence.
Afterwards its hard to show who gave it to who. Its quite likely that he got it from the wife or else he is stretching the truth about his mongering.
My ex GF in Thailand insisted that both she and I get tested on a reasonably regular basis. I think its a good idea as "trust" is greatly over-rated.What I found scary aout the history is the idea of a monger infected with HIV, mongering around for YEARS, and in this case, even with the girls knowing about his condition.
But, who can blame him? (As long as he used condoms, of course.)
Will Riker
11-26-08, 04:54
Hello all,
I am new to this forum and have been thinking about traveling to Thailand for quite some time now. I found this escort service called Bangkok Girls where they offer a special service of sex w/o a condom after all parties meet at a medical center to be checked out. I know STD can lay dormant about a month before being able to be picked up by a test, but I was wondering if anyone knew about this practice? Is it safe cause we're going to a medical center to be tested? Are other escort agencies offering this cause this was the only one I found that offered this special service?
Any information anyone can offer would be great. Thanks,
Will
...such as when the lady goes to the can to barf.
LOL!
About Godwin's Law, PP, its just this:
As a ...discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.1 (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/)
Also, the idea that once you've used Naziism/Fascism as an accusation in your argument, it essentially shuts down reasoned debate in that thread. As stated:
If someone brings up Nazis in general conversation when it wasn't necessary or germane without it necessarily being an insult, it's probably about time for the thread to end.1 (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/)
And:
If someone brings up Nazis in general conversation when it was vaguely related but is basically being used as an insult, the speaker can be considered to be flaming and not debating.1 (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/)
Just some old-time internet lore. Makes me feel old - I've been playing at chats and forums for over 15 years now!
Sources:
1. Usenet FAQs (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/)
Because condoms can break, slip off, be flawed. Then a barebacker who has passed on HIV to a lady could be indirectly infecting me with the same, a death sentence.You deliberately quote me incompletely (that's an improvement from earlier though when you ascribe to me sentences and opinions that were not mine).
What I wrote previously was the following:
Why would your life be at risk if you practice safe sex and use lube and condoms? Instead of insisting with your allegations about sensations, you should focus on safe practices that include how to prevent condom failures.Stored and used properly, condoms very rarely break. The main reason that condoms sometimes fail is incorrect or inconsistent use, not the failure of the condom itself.
http://www.vidmax.com/video/2337/Just_how_far_will_this_man_go_to_prove_condoms_don__39_t_break_normally/
As I said previously, it's better to focus on how to prevent condom failures than insisting with your nonsense about sensations.
Again, for probably everybody here but you (and I am not sure that you are perfectly honest when you defend the opposite point of view with much digressions or playing dumb) if you compare the same sexual act, and "same" here means with the same preliminaries / tricks (or lack of) and the same partner in the same conditions, the "covered" version is less agreeable than the "uncovered" one (would it be a wank, a fellatio, vaginal intercourse, etc.), but of course, protected sex is safer.
Funny to read again (in another reply of yours) another example of your great objectiveness! According to you, it's always others who are abnormal: they "need a shrink", are stubborn, stupid, selfish, Nazis, "masochists or sadists with mental problems", they "have issues with women", etc. I said earlier that promoting safer sex is a laudable goal, but in my humble opinion, you're doing it wrong with your pitiful attitude among other members and laughable argumentation about sensations...
I for one am interested in anything that will improve sex with a condom. In my younger days in the 80s, it was not dangerous to go bareback but today, its scary.
I looked back through the messages and could not find your post. Please repeat and expand on your method.
Thanks,
SlimI have suggested a number of things and, of the following, the first two were given to me by sex providers in my home cuntry, although as far as I can recall have never tried those two myself, and have not found them to be necessary.
Put some drops of lube on the inside head of the condom.
Use a very thin sensitive Japanese condom {sorry, I can't recall the name, but this was noted at the PERB Pacific Escort Review Board online forum, which is similar to TERB and MERB}.
Prep yourself before genital intercourse with masterbation and or pleasuring from the woman, for example by her ball licking, massage, anal touch, kissing or whatever does it for you. That is, makes you rock hard and or feeling very good and or ecstatic and or at the point where you could cum if you wanted to.
Have intercourse for 30 minutes or more.
For CBJs I have suggested that the condom be loose enough so that it can freely move on the penis. Her fingers holding and or massaging the shaft simultaneously may aid with this movement as well as provide for additional sensations there. Furthermore a well lubed and or oiled dick beneath the cover may spice up the procedure.
For genital intercourse it may also help if the condom is not very tight and relatively loose, so that it can move around. I suggest this could improve sensations by allowing for more friction. Although I often find my condom slipping off in part or completely, knowing this I take care to check it and put it on again fully at regular intervals. But if the lady gets so hungry that her pussy eats it, you will probably have to shell out for a new one.
BTW when I cum it is usually not inside the girl, but during masterbation and or ball licking or a CBJ. And my preference is to have sex every day but only cum once or twice a week, as it seems that the experience gets better the longer it takes to blast off, and this applies to individual sessions as well.
Some methods of Tantric sex might be useful in achieving some of what is mentioned above.
This may conclude my remarks on this subject, as I am not interested in responding to posts I consider to be argumentaive in nature, and without any real substance to the comments, that is full of anal air.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008/12/18/national/national_30091258.php
Red Cross urges people to take blood tests
The Thai Red Cross Aids Research Centre has urged people to undergo a blood test for HIV after being warned over 400,000 Thais probably have the disease without knowing it.
"Hundreds of thousands of Thais who are infected with HIV, the virus that causes Aids, are unaware they are infected. This is the reason the virus is still spreading across country," the centre's director Dr Praphan Panuphak said.
He was speaking at a public hearing by the Medical Council on ways adolescents can get HIV counselling and testing services. Over 150 participants from health agencies attended the event at the Miracle Grand Convention Hotel in Bangkok.
An Aids expert explained that Acquired Immune DefiCiency Syndrome (Aids) was a set of symptoms and infections caused by damage to the immune system caused by the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV). The condition progressively reduced the effectiveness of the immune system and left individuals susceptible to opportunistic infections and tumours.
HIV is transmitted through direct contact between blood and a body fluid containing HIV, such as blood, semen, vaginal fluid, pre-seminal fluid or breast milk. Transmission could involve anal, vaginal or oral sex, a blood transfusion, contaminated hypodermic needles, an exchange between mother and baby during pregnancy, childbirth, or breastfeeding, or other exposure to one of the above body fluids.
The first case of HIV/Aids was reported in Thailand in 1984 and the incidence of infections has increased steadily. To date 1,115,415 adults have been infected. Of this, some 585,830 people died of Aids while 532,522 adults are suffering from HIV or Aids. Some 12,787 adults and children have reportedly been infected so far this year.
The health agency estimated that about 6,800 people per day or five people per minute were infected with HIV all around the world. Of this total, 40 per cent are young adults aged 15-24 years old.
The World Health Organisation said last year that over 30.8 million people around the world had infected with HIV, while 2.1 million died during the past year. About 2.5 million new cases of HIV had been reported in 2007.
Praphan said the number of new HIV infections could be cut to 60 per cent of current levels if people tested themselves for HIV and got antiviral drugs early to fight their infection, before showing symptoms or signs of severe immune deficiency.
After working with HIV patients more than 20 years he would like to see HIV tests become a common practice in Thai society and for members of the public should drop the stigma about people with HIV and end compulsory HIV tests for employees and job applicants. However, all HIV test results must be kept confidential.
PATH organisation program adviser Dr Wachara Pumpradit said health agencies should provide HIV testing and counselling which was proper and friendly for teenagers so it is easy for them to access the treatment and prevention.
Kiratika Pangsad, from the Family Network Foundation, said parents should be apart of HIV prevention and provide proper knowledge and counselling to help their children avoid getting the deadly virus.
"We found that most parents lack understanding about the HIV infection and don't know how to tell their kids about safe sex. We want to encourage them to open their minds and learn more about sex education, as they can talk with their children [and warn them about the disease]," she said.
NicFrenchy
12-26-08, 05:24
There is a disturbing factor I would like to share with you here.
Everyone knows that I spend a fair amount of time on Camfrog, mainly in the Thailand rooms looking for potential giks :D
Well there is a phenomenon (not new of course) that I wanted to share here:
Many girls get fucked on cam these days and in 100% of the cases, the Thai guy does NOT wear a condom.
Also, in almost all cases, he does not pull-out and ejaculates inside the girl's pussy.
There is one girl (very good looking) that has a different guy over to her place almost every second day and she fucks them All bareback.
I also have experienced it first hand when several of my giks told me they don't like the feeling of condoms.
Just be aware that a lot of girls in this country do NOT play safe so it is up to you to enforce the condom use, and protect YOUR own life.
That's all.
now with that I will give you a few screens that I got from Camfrog ;)
Lover Boy #2
12-26-08, 09:17
There is a disturbing factor I would like to share with you here.
Everyone knows that I spend a fair amount of time on Camfrog, mainly in the Thailand rooms looking for potential giks :D
Well there is a phenomenon (not new of course) that I wanted to share here:
Many girls get fucked on cam these days and in 100% of the cases, the Thai guy does NOT wear a condom.
Also, in almost all cases, he does not pull-out and ejaculates inside the girl's pussy.
There is one girl (very good looking) that has a different guy over to her place almost every second day and she fucks them All bareback.
I also have experienced it first hand when several of my giks told me they don't like the feeling of condoms.
Just be aware that a lot of girls in this country do NOT play safe so it is up to you to enforce the condom use, and protect YOUR own life.
That's all.
We have touched on this before......this is the story 100% and it is very frightening. I can tell you that almost 100% of my contacts tell me that I look very clean, strong and nice....and therefore don't have to use a condom?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?! WTF.........this is a crazy and dangerous place. I have realized this for years. This includes amateurs and p4p.
Many girls get fucked on cam these days and in 100% of the cases, the Thai guy does NOT wear a condom.
Also, in almost all cases, he does not pull-out and ejaculates inside the girl's pussy.
How shocking!! One would expect a girl who fucks strange guys on cam every other day would behave responsibly..
Lover Boy #2
12-28-08, 03:11
How shocking!! One would expect a girl who fucks strange guys on cam every other day would behave responsibly..
....but we can keep up the positive attitude that responsible behavior can be found here, be optimistic......and hope for the best!!
I edited the original post to be a bit kinder and gentler.........but he stated;
"I saw a physician, got a blood test, and was diagnosed with having Chanchroid"
This also seems suspicious, because a blood test is only given to eliminate syphillis when these sores are present. A microscopic examination of the pus discharge is then done to differentiate between herpes and chancroid.
Who knows what is going on here?????....but I do agree with your theory.
This is a very serious allegation because chancroid is one of the main transmission viaducts for HIV.
(if anyone wants to discuss further...maybe the STD/Safe Sex area is better for this)
The blood test does make sense because the Chancroid sore can look similar to a Syphilis sore. And people can be infected with several STD's at the same time, including Syphilis and Chancroid.
If the Chancroid infection is common in Thailand. Then it's quite possible that doctors there don't do full and complete laboratory testing for it. They might just do a Syphilis blood test. And if it's negative. Then the doctor assumes it's probably Chancroid and treats it with antibiotics.
But any kind of sores increase the likelyhood of HIV transmission, even mechanical trauma and gonorrhea infection. There is nothing special about Chancroid in this regard, except for the fact that it causes sores which make it easier for HIV to be transmitted.
Chancroid is common in most tropical countries, whether they have high rates of HIV infection or not. Which means that the association between Chancroid and HIV is much higher in some countries than in others. And in Thailand, Chancroid probably is much more common than is HIV.
I see a lot of people posting about how great Tulip massage is but what worries me is they use massage oil as a lubricant. It is widely known that massage oils destroy the latex in condoms. I read that just 60 seconds after exposure to mineral oil (the carrier oil in most massage oils), latex condoms were 90% less effective. The only way around this is to use a non-latex condom like Durex Aventi or Trojan Supra. Does anyone know if non-latex condoms are sold in Thailand? I can't find them anywhere. Also perhaps Tulip customers could educate the mamasan and girls about the dangers of mixing oil with condoms.
The blood test does make sense because the Chancroid sore can look similar to a Syphilis sore. And people can be infected with several STD's at the same time, including Syphilis and Chancroid.
If the Chancroid infection is common in Thailand. Then it's quite possible that doctors there don't do full and complete laboratory testing for it. They might just do a Syphilis blood test. And if it's negative. Then the doctor assumes it's probably Chancroid and treats it with antibiotics.
But any kind of sores increase the likelyhood of HIV transmission, even mechanical trauma and gonorrhea infection. There is nothing special about Chancroid in this regard, except for the fact that it causes sores which make it easier for HIV to be transmitted.
Chancroid is common in most tropical countries, whether they have high rates of HIV infection or not. Which means that the association between Chancroid and HIV is much higher in some countries than in others. And in Thailand, Chancroid probably is much more common than is HIV.Dan7373,
Thank you both for your support and information. In this particular case, I went to Bangkok Hospital and requested that the attending physician test for every type of STD/HIV, just to rule out all variables. And I spoke to their public health representative, another physican, who stated that chanchroid is prevelant here but that many tourists, when they return to Europe or North America, get misdiagnosed because chanchroid is not indigenous there. But in this day and age, air transportation definitely makes the world smaller.
I know a bar girl, who is hot, beautiful, funny and we have a good connection. The problem is that her pussy has a bad odor. First time I see something like this with a bar girl.
Also, it seems she uses some kind of lubricant.
Last time I told her and said her to get a good shower, but the odor was still there.
I've decided to stop meeting with her, but not sure if I'm being too radical. Also, it's a pity, it's really great to be with her.
What would you do?
Dextro Sol
01-15-09, 11:36
Seems to be another name for "Glandular Fever".
Kissing is well known to be dangerous for catching various viruses from girls. Its generally significantly more dangerous than giving DATY for example.I have been thinking of this. Most (or many) girls give BBBJ and DFK, but always demand the use of condoms.
Is there any difference in risk if they allow CIM or not?
Are they just not aware of the risk of getting STD fron BBBJ?? or why do they act like this. It would be in their own interest not to catch anything that may keep them away from work, wouldn't it?
NicFrenchy
01-16-09, 02:56
Are they just not aware of the risk of getting STD fron BBBJ??
Most these girls would fuck you bareback, all it takes is for you to ask nicely.
All you can do is protect yourself, that's all. Be careful.
I know a bar girl, who is hot, beautiful, funny and we have a good connection. The problem is that her pussy has a bad odor. First time I see something like this with a bar girl.
Also, it seems she uses some kind of lubricant.
Last time I told her and said her to get a good shower, but the odor was still there.
I've decided to stop meeting with her, but not sure if I'm being too radical. Also, it's a pity, it's really great to be with her.
What would you do?
She needs more than a good shower.
She has some kind of infection which is causing the odor, and until it is cleared up, the odor will remain.
I imagine that one visit to a Dr. and proper medication would solve the problem.
I have been thinking of this. Most (or many) girls give BBBJ and DFK, but always demand the use of condoms.
Is there any difference in risk if they allow CIM or not?
Are they just not aware of the risk of getting STD fron BBBJ?? or why do they act like this. It would be in their own interest not to catch anything that may keep them away from work, wouldn't it?Sure there is a difference, although I'm sure they can get the usual infections just making BBBJ. This is specially risky with the MP girls, that seem to offer these services liberally.
Also, the most common of these infections can be carried on the throat so these girls can infect from customer to customer.
For them there is risk, but when the throat is infected, is very different to when the genital area is infected.
I used to have a girlfriend who worked at a MP, and it makes me feel sick thinking the time I spent kissing her. I just let her made me covered BJs.
Hello everyone,
I was reading a few pages back in the posts concerning size of the condoms in Thailand. 54mm, 52mm, 49mm and so on. Is this in reference to the length of the condom or the circumference? When I use any condom here in Asia they all seem very tight and after awhile my pecker goes soft on me and turns a bit blue! In the states I use Durex and all is fine? When I am in Thailand I buy my own rubbers (Durex), I do not use the ones supplied by the ladies.
Does anyone have any suggestions for me on this?
Play safe
Slylock
Vito Corleone
01-18-09, 10:28
Hello everyone,
I was reading a few pages back in the posts concerning size of the condoms in Thailand. 54mm, 52mm, 49mm and so on. Is this in reference to the length of the condom or the circumference? When I use any condom here in Asia they all seem very tight and after awhile my pecker goes soft on me and turns a bit blue! In the states I use Durex and all is fine? When I am in Thailand I buy my own rubbers (Durex), I do not use the ones supplied by the ladies.
Does anyone have any suggestions for me on this?
Play safe
Slylock
Bring your own condoms!
NicFrenchy
01-18-09, 12:05
Hello everyone,
I was reading a few pages back in the posts concerning size of the condoms in Thailand. 54mm, 52mm, 49mm and so on. Is this in reference to the length of the condom or the circumference? When I use any condom here in Asia they all seem very tight and after awhile my pecker goes soft on me and turns a bit blue! In the states I use Durex and all is fine? When I am in Thailand I buy my own rubbers (Durex), I do not use the ones supplied by the ladies.
Does anyone have any suggestions for me on this?
Play safe
Slylock
Mick posted a report on condoms a while back so you can do a search.
It is best to indeed bring your own condoms.
49mm are too small (tight)
52mm are Average
54mm are good
56mm are a bit large
Boots Stores usually have a wide variety of condoms so just go there and ask, or even betterm bring some with you from your country
Mick posted a report on condoms a while back so you can do a search.
It is best to indeed bring your own condoms.
49mm are too small (tight)
52mm are Average
54mm are good
56mm are a bit large
Boots Stores usually have a wide variety of condoms so just go there and ask, or even better bring some with you from your countryThat is the report I am talking about. What I do not understand is, if the measurements concern the length or how big around they are.
I will of course try the larger size ones when I am up there.
Vitto, condoms are the same in Malaysia! And since I only monger in Thailand I don't buy condoms in Malaysia, the wife doesn't like 'them.
Thanks to everyone for the help!
Slylock
Dextro Sol
01-18-09, 19:53
Boots Stores usually have a wide variety of condoms so just go there and ask, or even betterm bring some with you from your country
Do you think you can go to back room and try them, like happened when you hurt your dick?
LOL
"What I do not understand is, if the measurements concern the length....."
at these units:
49mm are too small (tight)
52mm are Average
54mm are good
56mm are a bit large
sorry not going to name the posters, but baahaahaaahaaaa!
maybe the original poster meant these units to be cm! ;)
NicFrenchy
01-19-09, 03:18
Do you think you can go to back room and try them, like happened when you hurt your dick?
LOL
Hahaha, I doubt the lady will like me opening the boxes to try them out and besides... I need to be erect to try condoms so she would have to apply some "mouth magic" to help me get there. :D
sorry not going to name the posters, but baahaahaaahaaaa!
maybe the original poster meant these units to be cm! ;)Hi MilesToGo,
I do not use the metric system all that often, and when I do it is usually in Meters or Kilometers. Now as I understand it 10mm = 1 cm? so 56mm would be 5.6cm? 2.5cm = 1 inch. So 5.6 cm would be roughly 2.2 Inches? Now when you unwrap a condom they are Usually 9 inches long. In the US a condom averages 3 inches in circumference. So I assumed the 56mm would be the circumference or is it the diameter? But to me that seems a little small. So I was just asking for clarification. If the biggest size is 2.2 inches there is no way it will fit me and I would need to ask friends to send me some from the US, hopefully they will get past customs! So as you can see it is confusing for this Yank! All these years I have suffered and I just wanted a little help to understand these things.
Thanks everyone,
Slylock
NicFrenchy
01-20-09, 01:02
Hi MilesToGo,
I do not use the metric system all that often, and when I do it is usually in Meters or Kilometers. Now as I understand it 10mm = 1 cm? so 56mm would be 5.6cm? 2.5cm = 1 inch. So 5.6 cm would be roughly 2.2 Inches? Now when you unwrap a condom they are Usually 9 inches long. In the US a condom averages 3 inches in circumference. So I assumed the 56mm would be the circumference or is it the diameter? But to me that seems a little small. So I was just asking for clarification. If the biggest size is 2.2 inches there is no way it will fit me and I would need to ask friends to send me some from the US, hopefully they will get past customs! So as you can see it is confusing for this Yank! All these years I have suffered and I just wanted a little help to understand these things.
Thanks everyone,
Slylock
Bring your own condoms from America adn get it over with.
If you take this long to think about rubbers, then what will it be when you'll be here trying to choose girls? :D
Hi MilesToGo,
I do not use the metric system all that often, and when I do it is usually in Meters or Kilometers. Now as I understand it 10mm = 1 cm? so 56mm would be 5.6cm? 2.5cm = 1 inch. So 5.6 cm would be roughly 2.2 Inches? Now when you unwrap a condom they are Usually 9 inches long. In the US a condom averages 3 inches in circumference. So I assumed the 56mm would be the circumference or is it the diameter? But to me that seems a little small. So I was just asking for clarification. If the biggest size is 2.2 inches there is no way it will fit me and I would need to ask friends to send me some from the US, hopefully they will get past customs! So as you can see it is confusing for this Yank! All these years I have suffered and I just wanted a little help to understand these things.
Thanks everyone,
SlylockIt's even more complicated than that. 56 mm = 2 13/64 (Does anyone start to understand why metric is so much easier) Inches, which is the width that is defined by half the circumference. So the circumference of a 56 mm condom is 4 13/32 Inches.
The length is between 178 mm (standard size, 52 mm width) and 205 mm (large, 56 mm width)
@MilesToGo: we are not talking about condoms fitting horses.
.....cut....
MilesToGo: we are not talking about condoms fitting horses.
Sly & tiger,
didn't mean to insult anybody here, just having some fun :)
btw: sly - I am your northerly neighbor, not the first time you guys have trouble with these units, took us a while too!
Sly & tiger,
didn't mean to insult anybody here, just having some fun :)
btw: sly - I am your northerly neighbor, not the first time you guys have trouble with these units, took us a while too!I didn't take it as that, just wanted to make a joke.
Sly & tiger,
didn't mean to insult anybody here, just having some fun :)
btw: sly - I am your northerly neighbor, not the first time you guys have trouble with these units, took us a while too!
I found all of this a little confusing you know! So I said to hell with the name brand stuff and decided to make my own condom! Here are the instructions!
1) 30 count medium size garbage bag.
2) 1 roll Duct tape.
3) 1 can of axle grease.
Remove one (1) garbage bag, slide it over your penis. Tape the bottom of the bag tight, but not to tight, to the base of your penis. Apply axle grease as needed!
This DIY technique will work for all size penises. It does not require any skill in understanding the Metric or Standard system. Nor does it require a course in ISO for condom manufacturing. As this system provides 30 'condoms' for 250 Baht it is also much cheaper then the standard condoms offered.
Patent pending
Slylock
NicFrenchy
01-28-09, 08:01
Patent pending
What got into your water this morning? :D :D
What got into your water this morning? :D :D
Nothing! I am proud to say that my "super slide and glide" (TM) condom is 100% water proof! :D
What brands of polyurethane condoms (non latex, i.e. baby oil resistent) are available in Thailand and where?
Durex Avanti have apparently been pulled off the market and I have not seen any of the other brands in 7/11 stores.
...But condoms are not just for prevention of HIV. I don't want to get Chlamydia (again), Genital warts or any of the very easy things to catch...
I'm no doctor, but it's my understanding that condoms will not necessarily protect you from genital warts or other nastiness resulting from infected vaginal fluids contacting the scrotum or base of the penis.
M P Lurker
04-15-09, 14:07
I'm no doctor, but it's my understanding that condoms will not necessarily protect you from genital warts or other nastiness resulting from infected vaginal fluids contacting the scrotum or base of the penis.
Sure but better than nothing. I am not ready to give up sex entirely
LittleBigMan
04-16-09, 05:22
Daddy07,
You can get warts on the base of your penis just from a HJ, if the provider has them on her hands. Thirty years ago I got them at a AMP, and they hurt like hell getting them off, I nearly pissed on the Doctor while he was removing them.
No matter how good it feels and how tempting she wants you inside without one always cover up!
LBM
You can get warts on the base of your penis just from a HJ, if the provider has them on her hands. Thirty years ago I got them at a AMP, and they hurt like hell getting them off, I nearly pissed on the Doctor while he was removing them.
LBM
25 years ago, doctor used liquid nitrogen on mine and it felt like to was burning but was just so cold. The doc had a firm grip on my foreskin so I could not get away. He did a good job and I only needed one treatment.
Slim
I'm no doctor, but it's my understanding that condoms will not necessarily protect you from genital warts or other nastiness resulting from infected vaginal fluids contacting the scrotum or base of the penis.I always tell new people that are interested in getting into this hobby that it has it risks. There is a possibility you could catch something that will kill you, let alone a wart. I always glove up, but in my hundreds of sessions I have had at least six condoms break or come off, maybe more. Even if you are very safe, there is no guarantee.
LittleBigMan
04-17-09, 04:19
Nyslim,
We must had the same doctor! The first time I had them removed one came back a year later. He said when they are real small it is hard to get them all so this time he reached for a stainless steel themos and place the biggest Q-tip I ever saw inside and place a big drop on LBM, like I said it burns and it's a slow burn that weakens the knee! Not being shy at all this doctor also taught at the UC medical center and just happen to have a group of students in his office that day. Asked if it was o.k. if his students watch and I said WTF o.k. and with some luck they happen to be all women students and each got to take a good look and touch LBM. The liquid Nitro worked never came back to this day thank god!
I think you may be missing the point that some of us want to make. I could care less about the health of Bangkok Banger - he knows the risks and if he gets something so be it. I do care though about the girls he may be infecting. To go to 3rd world countries where you can often easily convince girls with no means, rent coming due and a fifth grade education to let you cum inside of them to me is just about as low as you can get. Sexual imperialism. Sure I know people like BB figure they are just prostitutes - born victims - so who cares about them - they deserve what they get - but some of us don't feel that way and actually are fond of a lot of these girls.
You may also be missing my points good DR. Not sure you can speak for "some of us" but let's take your "concerned for the girls" as being the reason you responded even though in your original response you sounded almost naive in stating:
What has actually surprised me over here lately are the number of guys who will only go bb and seem to think they are invulnerable and don't give two hoots about the girls. .
The number of guys overtly spouting off about it may surprise you but in no way should you think there is any increase in guys engaging in BB sex because they are now openly discussing it. The high sexual transmission disease rates here should be an indicator to you that BB sex does occur at a high rate even when it's not being openly discussed. This should not be a surprise to you. It happens and guys like BB whatever his motivation for engaging in BB sex will not be deterred by anonymous excoriation or name calling on a sex board.
If they are bbing with you, you can bet they are doing it with loads of other guys.
They are already doing it with loads of other guys and will continue to doing it with others. We know this from the HIV/STD rates for Thailand.
To go to 3rd world countries where you can often easily convince girls with no means, rent coming due and a fifth grade education to let you cum inside of them to me is just about as low as you can get
The girls engaging in BB sex are not only uneducated hookers; the general population is doing it too. I think you would have better luck starting a program that provided alternatives or educate the girls about the risks of BB sex than changing the view of any adult male on this board who is on a BB mission especially in the manner you replied to him. As I wrote in my post, I don't condone his BB approach but I did not see one response to him that would in any way deter him from his BB quest. In fact most of the replies he received would only serve to antagonize him; they certainly would not give him any pause. For good guys like you, the best thing you can do is cover up and be aware that there is some probability that the next girl you pick up, she has engaged in BB sex with someone before and she very well may be infected. Good Luck!
LittleBigMan
05-10-09, 09:11
Run Mann,
Your are very correct about what is being said. I don't believe Bangkok Banger is out to hurt anyone and nothing anyone say is going to change his mind.
But everytime he opens his mouth, like his last post on the Bangkok Thread, his reference that he has been tested and cleared so it's O.K. nearly drove me up the wall. I wonder before he put his dick into every women that allow him bareback had papers from legit hospital showing clearance.
I will only say you hear what you want to hear for these girls when the little head is doing the thinking. I personally would have lots and lots of doubt when a women tells me she gets tested regularly and from where you picked her up or where she works she barely can afford a outfit?
Personally I going to skip any post I see with his name!
LBM
Run Mann,
Your are very correct about what is being said. I don't believe Bangkok Banger is out to hurt anyone and nothing anyone say is going to change his mind.
But everytime he opens his mouth, like his last post on the Bangkok Thread, his reference that he has been tested and cleared so it's O.K. nearly drove me up the wall. I wonder before he put his dick into every women that allow him bareback had papers from legit hospital showing clearance.
I will only say you hear what you want to hear for these girls when the little head is doing the thinking. I personally would have lots and lots of doubt when a women tells me she gets tested regularly and from where you picked her up or where she works she barely can afford a outfit?
Personally I going to skip any post I see with his name!
LBM
I understand, and those are some good points LBM, but you can only control the things you can control and since the ones in control of this situation are BB and others like him, you just have to let it go.
I know this sounds harsh, judgemental and may upset some.
I believe that anyone who goes BB in Thailand or any high profile P4P destination, should be incarcerated.
Think of it this way: You may be obtaining a deadly disease, then continue going BB on your trip with the possibility that you are not only passing this disease to girls, but to other mongers. You are thinking in your mind: Gee, I may have caught something from her, but I don't care, I just want to have fun.
There is a chance your actions may eventually kill someone, or multiple people. People are put into prison or called mentally I'll with this type of thinking.
Anyone one on this site that tells people after reporting they went BB, " Hey great report, glad you had a good time" is adding fuel to the fire.
In my opinion, Bareback reporters should be banned from this site and referred to counseling.
I know this sounds harsh, judgemental and may upset some.
In my opinion, Bareback reporters should be banned from this site and referred to counseling.
Not at all dude - go for it! I think we can say that your viewpoint is in the majority (dare we say a 'moral' majority?) here.
In any case, clean things up around here - and why stop at barebackers? As I understand it prostitution is illegal in many of our homelands, so it would probably be best to ban chatter about that abomination as well.
My only caveat would be to point out that just because the very bad, naughty men are not reporting doesn't mean they've stopped their diabolical practices.
NicFrenchy
05-11-09, 00:05
My only caveat would be to point out that just because the very bad, naughty men are not reporting doesn't mean they've stopped their diabolical practices.
THAT is true. BB will always exist and while I really hate it, the only thing I can do is to try my best to protect myself.
...I believe that anyone who goes BB in Thailand or any high profile P4P destination, should be incarcerated...
...In my opinion, Bareback reporters should be banned from this site and referred to counseling.
And perhaps you ought to start longterm psycological treatment therapy for your chronic sadistic hysteria reaction syndrome.
LittleBigMan
05-11-09, 03:57
We are all right and we are all wrong! But remember what Bangkok Banger said
" he's got papers to prove it when he goes bareback and he's infertile " although he can't be sure as the the girls don't have papers!
I play it safe! Go thin and go in!
LBM
I know this sounds harsh, judgemental and may upset some.
I believe that anyone who goes BB in Thailand or any high profile P4P destination, should be incarcerated.
Since this won't happen anytime soon, what's would be your other immediate solution?
There is a chance your actions may eventually kill someone, or multiple people. People are put into prison or called mentally I'll with this type of thinking.
Anyone one on this site that tells people after reporting they went BB, " Hey great report, glad you had a good time" is adding fuel to the fire.
In my opinion, Bareback reporters should be banned from this site and referred to counseling.
If someone wants to engage in unsafe sex, he should be allowed to report on this forum about it. Let's face it, condoms suck! He who has the balls to bareback it with a ho, gets my respect! I just don't have the balls yet, but I am tempted to every time.
Cunning Stunt
05-12-09, 03:11
He who has the balls to bareback it with a ho, gets my respect! I just don't have the balls yet, but I am tempted to every time.
IMHO it don't take balls to bareback, just dangerous recklessness. The balls bit comes in how you handle it when you get your positive result.
Bangkok Banger
05-12-09, 03:51
"But everytime he opens his mouth, like his last post on the Bangkok Thread, his reference that he has been tested and cleared so it's O.K. nearly drove me up the wall. I wonder before he put his dick into every women that allow him bareback had papers from legit hospital showing clearance."
I really HATE these flame wars, but I can't let this dearth of logic go without comment!
So, just ONE question: I wonder before YOU put your COVERED dick into every woman that allowed COVERED SEX, if she or you had the condom tested for leaks, tears, defects, and flaws?
Did the box of rubbers come with a warranty? And are you aware of the statistics regarding condom failure? Just wondering!
But I guess the old saying is true--opinions are like assholes--everybody's got one!
NicFrenchy
05-12-09, 05:32
But I guess the old saying is true--opinions are like assholes--everybody's got one!
Well you got that one right! :D
Look, for BB sex in Bangkok you can walk just about anyplace and most girls will offer it. I know that many members will get upset at this but after 4 years of mongering, I have yet to find a girl that will categorically refuse BB sex.
Many will just go on with the sex without even asking for a rubber (and save money maybe?)
The ladies you ask about BB sex will either say yes or ask for more money.
I need to say though that some have refused. I was happy to hear that.
LittleBigMan
05-12-09, 08:49
Bangkok Banger,
So that no one needs to RTFF, the guy he was referencing about opening his big mouth was made by me LBM!
You got one thing right and that is if you go to the mirror and turn to your backside you will see you are one of us!
You just confirm my statement. And when it comes to this particular topic you just continue to stick your big foot into your big mouth! The problems as I have stated isn't so much that you raise your head proudly that you do bareback and I do give you credit for that. And if you are man enough to do that then don't continue to change your handle thinking you are going to get more favorable feedback. And as you continue to use childish and warp logic to justify your behavior like " I got tested with papers and you don't and I'm infertile " if that was true I pay whatever it takes so to get infertile this way I can go bareback myself and be immune to the disease!
I'm from San Francisco, and that itself should tell you something about HIV/AIDS! Although I'm not gay or Bi, I have family who are gay. Have you ever been around a person or friend that has AIDS? In the early 80'S when the disease was still at the unknown stages I was working with a Airline and working along side me were some great guys and hard workers but I didn't know they were gay. One day many of them started calling in sick, some were coming in with weigh lost and marks on their faces. Everyone just though they had the flu, Hep, Mono or some blood disordered. Then the funeral annoucements started coming in. Time later, as the disease was spreading and researches term it HIV/AIDS. Watching a friend or co-worker slowly die isn't pretty. I wish this on no one not even my sister-law who I hate and I don't wish it on you although nothing I'm going to say is going to change the dangerous path you are going down.
I will answer your question about condoms. Although I didn't do the test myself just like you didn't do your HIV/AIDS test. I added that in because you think like a child! Yes! they have been tested over and over for leaks etc... and although they aren't perfect but researcher and makers are improving them daily. Being a betting man even if I go with your statistics I have 85% better chance than you going bareback! and every doctor on this face of this earth will standby me! Unless he or she is stupid? Of course you're thinking this minute LBM you full of shit!
I looked something up for you and if you are in Pattaya now or whenever go see this Doctor in Jomtien who spoke in Feb of this year at the PattayaExpatsclub who is a expert in HIV/AIDS in Thailand. Doctor Philippe Seur is his name and he has a clinic in Jomtien in Pattaya and head up a project called Heartt2000. That itself should tell you how vast and growing the problem is in Thailand although the Thai Government wouldn't come out and admit it. I don't have the exact address but if you check the website www.pattayaexpatsclub.com and contact them they will give you a address or phone number. Let me know if you have the fortitude to visit him so I can meet you there and we can all have a good laugh at your logic with papers, condoms, and being infertile.
Regardless I wish you health and wealth so that you can come up with a cure so we can all go bareback. I do miss it just talking about it!
LBM
Member #3428
05-12-09, 09:01
Many will just go on with the sex without even asking for a rubber (and save money maybe?)
Many girls will go BB to get a long term sponsor... some warped sense that this is what all guys want and they pretend they don't do it with everyone or every other guy and that you are the only one they go BB with etc...
Funny thing is that guys fall for it over and over and over.... And I'll admit I've been caught a time or two but NEVER with a one night pick up BG or SW or such... But an occasional past repeat I will admit I got wrapped up in the moments and got my willy in the wrong place in the past.
BB happens all the time unfortunately and it's very easy to go BB in MP's even. What surprised me in my experience (only my POV) is that girls from free lance places like Beer Garden or such are more adamant about protection then girls from like higher class places.
SE Asia Joe
05-12-09, 10:16
And then... there are... the real low lifes, as far as I'm concerned.
Bumbed into a friend of mine who was having lunch and sitting around with a bunch of guys just shooting the bull. Then one guy piped in and announced proudly how he gets to Bare Back his gals.
He would always have baby oil around when he gets a gal and tell her to first stimulate him by hand stroking him using the baby oil. These unsuspecting gals wouldn't think nothing of it and slather on the oil as that is indeed the modus operandi at the Hand-Job places. He would then put on the condom and again ask the gal to put more baby oil on the rubber as a lubricant.
This asshole proudly told everybody present that using this method, at least 50% of the time he gets to bare back the gal as the condom would break inside of her. My God - what a low life.
Why am I relating this here?? OK, granted it probably will give some of the less than salubrious members here further ammunition in their quest for BB'ing one and all sundry WG's. But I also think that if enough of us go out there and warn the gals we are with about this low life trick, that we could make a bit of difference.
So guys - go out there and tell your gals!!
SEAJ
...This asshole proudly told everybody present that using this method, at least 50% of the time he gets to bare back the gal as the condom would break inside of her...
I can't imagine what fun he can get out of that. He's still going to have a broken condom fastened and now flopping around on his dick, which seems to me would feel worse than an unbroken one.
The Departed
05-12-09, 15:50
Going bb is really easy. I know tons of guys and gals do it all the time. Also, the level of knowledge concerning STDs among the average monger is pretty low. It is a crap shoot but the odds favor the guys.
Long ago, the army advised us to drink lots of water and flap our dicks around afterwards. These primitive methods, said to horny grunts, do control the risks to a degree.
When we consider the size of Boyztown and that lots of the gays and TGS are also sleeping with the bargirls and lots of the Boyztown Johns are getting it up the ass and are doing our bar girls as well, the crap shoot odds become harder to calculate.
Personally, I like to bb but I am always a little nervous. All winning streaks do end. And I don't want to end that way.
And if even a hand job can give us warts, what is left?
And if even a hand job can give us warts, what is left?
Wet dreams?
...OK, granted it probably will give some of the less than salubrious members here further ammunition in their quest for BB'ing one and all sundry WG's.
Its an old trick, but in my experience nearly all girls know that baby oil or massage oil - oils in general - are damaging to condoms.
OK, granted it probably will give some of the less than salubrious members here further ammunition in their quest for BB'ing one and all sundry WG's. Joe, this is friendly fire, isnt' it. Low life Dr. HIV Self Infect Bareback Opebo just proved it.
And if even a hand job can give us warts, what is left?
Where's the proof in this? Maybe if she touches her pussy first then immediately touches your cock after.
NicFrenchy
05-13-09, 01:30
Its an old trick, but in my experience nearly all girls know that baby oil or massage oil - oils in general - are damaging to condoms.
That is yet to be proven because in my neck of the woods (lower sukh area), most massage ladies actually want to use Oil as a lube because Farang dick is too big.
I almost never get to the massage part so when she grabs the oil, it isn't to rub it on my shoulders ;)
LittleBigMan
05-13-09, 02:20
Amjeck,
Where is the proof in this?
Go to www.webmd.com and reference HPV/Warts.
LBM
That is yet to be proven because in my neck of the woods (lower sukh area), most massage ladies actually want to use Oil as a lube because Farang dick is too big.
Yeah but as you have pointed out before, many of the ladies don't really care about the condom. I think they know the oil damages it but don't particularly mind. However I have met a lot of girls who keep K-Y or the equivalent on hand for lubrication, regardless of condom usage.
One interesting anecdote - a girl I was with the other day was complaining that some guy had 'effed me for two hours, he ask for condom, condom make me have no water'. She said that when guys use condoms it greatly reduces her natural lubrication, but that its no problem if the guy is reasonably quick. She said that about half use and half don't use those rubber implements.
Amjeck,
Where is the proof in this?
Go to www.webmd.com and reference HPV/Warts.
LBM
Find a better link that says "hpv can be spread from a hj". Hpv doesn't grow on peoples hands, from my understanding. As I said before, maybe if she touches her wart infested snatch then touches your cock, then transmission could occur.
NicFrenchy
05-13-09, 16:18
Yeah but as you have pointed out before, many of the ladies don't really care about the condom. I think they know the oil damages it but don't particularly mind. However I have met a lot of girls who keep K-Y or the equivalent on hand for lubrication, regardless of condom usage.
One interesting anecdote - a girl I was with the other day was complaining that some guy had 'effed me for two hours, he ask for condom, condom make me have no water'. She said that when guys use condoms it greatly reduces her natural lubrication, but that its no problem if the guy is reasonably quick. She said that about half use and half don't use those rubber implements.
I think you are right.... they know but don't particularly mind
LittleBigMan
05-14-09, 11:59
Amjec,
It's pretty reliable website! Typical medical Journal stuff. What you want? a playboy addition story as to exactly how it is transmitted. Put it together man! Look at my posting 4-16.
Is it impossible for a women to " touch her wart infested snatch " while she is giving me a massage with her hand and then gives me a hand job? would you then say " transmission " has occurred?
Since it is possible to get wart infected on your balls or penis would you say that "transmission" can't be possible unless I scratch my balls and stroke my penis and then decided to finger fuck my mate?
LBM
Amjec,
It's pretty reliable website! Typical medical Journal stuff. What you want?
LBM
I want a link to an actual article that case studies transmission of hpv from a hand to a penis.
If you can provide that, great. If not, then I have my doubts. Thanks.
LittleBigMan
05-14-09, 14:25
Find a better link that says "hpv can be spread from a hj". Hpv doesn't grow on peoples hands, from my understanding. As I said before, maybe if she touches her wart infested snatch then touches your cock, then transmission could occur.
Amjeck,
I understand that you have doubts but I merely answer your question and gave you a scenero how the wart can be transmitted from her " snatch then touches your cock, then transmission could occur " once transmission occurs that's when it grows.
It you searched around the site you would have read that warts can grow on the hands and feet. I will do my best to try to find a case study but lets be realistic here a case study on warts from a handjob. Who the fuck is going to fund something as stupid as that unless they are sick like us?
I can only tell you my own experience about warts. I didn't even know it until I ended up in Nevada, Cotton tail Ranch one evening after skiing with some friends. The girl check out my dick and pointed it out to me and I didn't know. She told me no BBBJ., and I had to be covered. This was the first time I was going to have FS, since my divorce and prior to that I had only visited a Asian Massage Parlor, and gotten oil massage with a HJ.
When I found out I went to a Doctor to have it look at and removed. He then told me have I been having sex with anyone in particular and I basically told him what I have been doing between being separated from my wife and now and he was the one that told me based on the information I gave him that
it was the method of transmission and once I was infected the warts start to grown on my penis area. Never thought about it until now.
LBM
White Whale
05-14-09, 16:48
returned about four weeks ago from philippines and and short stay in bkk. very soon my right eye got severily infected and then also left eye. eye doctor prescribed eye drops with antibiotics and antibiotics as pills for seven days. she said that the infection might have been caused by chlamydia.
two weeks later my foreskin got painful because of wounding so i went to doctors again. this morning numerous blood and a [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) sample was taken. also bacteria growth will be analyzed. they are checking for syphilis, chlamydia, gonorrhoea, hepatitis, herpes and hiv.
in one and half weeks i will know what i won. it may not be std but until then i will not sleep that well. i wore condom with every penetration but did daty and fingering unprotected. all bjs were owo. i wonder if one can get std rubbing eye with finger carrying germs...
This discussion reminds me of a very old joke about a mother taking her teenage daugter to the doctor, who diagnoses genital warts.
The very indignant mother asks the doctor: "Could my daughter have gotten infected in a public toilet?"
Wherupon the doctor thinks a while and finally annwers: " ....yes, it is possible, but it must have been damned uncomfortable..."
Amjeck,
I will do my best to try to find a case study but lets be realistic here a case study on warts from a handjob.
Nah, not worth it unless you're bored.
Warts are no big deal really. They kill women not men.
M P Lurker
05-14-09, 18:23
returned about four weeks ago from philippines and and short stay in bkk. very soon my right eye got severily infected and then also left eye. eye doctor prescribed eye drops with antibiotics and antibiotics as pills for seven days. she said that the infection might have been caused by chlamydia.
two weeks later my foreskin got painful because of wounding so i went to doctors again. this morning numerous blood and a [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) sample was taken. also bacteria growth will be analyzed. they are checking for syphilis, chlamydia, gonorrhoea, hepatitis, herpes and hiv.
in one and half weeks i will know what i won. it may not be std but until then i will not sleep that well. i wore condom with every penetration but did daty and fingering unprotected. all bjs were owo. i wonder if one can get std rubbing eye with finger carrying germs...
absolutely.
i can confirm catching chlamydia in the eye from fingering and then not washing hands immediately. zithromax fixed it.
NicFrenchy
05-15-09, 01:58
Returned about four weeks ago from Philippines and and short stay in Bkk. Very soon my right eye got severily infected and then also left eye. Eye doctor prescribed eye drops with antibiotics and antibiotics as pills for seven days. She said that the infection might have been caused by chlamydia.
Isn't it what they call the Pink Eye?
Cunning Stunt
05-15-09, 03:38
Warts are no big deal really. They kill women not men.
Except when they are not treated and turn cancerous! Very rare but possible. 1,500 men were diagnosed with penile cancer in the US in 2006 and presumably lost a large chunk (or all) of their prized possession:eek:
Actually HPV, the virus that causes penile warts, is quite common in men but frequently just hides in the system (like herpes virus but less virulent) and seldom causes any problem except when the immune system is severely compromised. So many guys have it and just don't know it.
If you get an odd wart or two and catch them early enough, salicylic acid (the stuff they make aspirin out of) or Podofilox applied topically will often kill the little blighters. Otherwise its cryotherapy.
I think that you would have to be very unlucky (the inverse of winning the lottery) or careless to get any STD from a handjob.
Dr G:D
I had not suffered the gonorrhea/chlamydia/urethritus ailment in a long while, but recently picked it up in Pattaya. I tried Cefspan (400mg) instead of azithromycin on the recommendation of a pharmacist. Cefspan contains cefixime. I just took it yesterday and while it knocked the infection back prodigiously, I can't tell yet if the cure is permanent.
Have any of your mongers had experience with oral Cefspan?
Bangkok Banger
05-16-09, 13:40
I had not suffered the gonorrhea/chlamydia/urethritus ailment in a long while, but recently picked it up in Pattaya. I tried Cefspan (400mg) instead of azithromycin on the recommendation of a pharmacist. Cefspan contains cefixime. I just took it yesterday and while it knocked the infection back prodigiously, I can't tell yet if the cure is permanent.
Have any of your mongers had experience with oral Cefspan?Cefspan (oral cephiximine) will, in single 400 mg dose, generally cure gonorrhea that is resistant to other antibiotics. But do you know the time-frame when you picked it up? The incubation period for gonorrhea is often quite different from non-gonnococcal infections.
I tried Cefspan (400mg) instead of azithromycin on the recommendation of a pharmacist.
I've found pharmacists in Thailand not to be very smart. If your symptoms don't clear up, go see a doc. You may need injections.
Dear Sir,
During your trip to Isaan you must have saved a fortune on condoms. I have to admit that farang sized condoms are quite expensive, but doctors are cheap. Last time I stayed in Pattaya, the bill in the best hospital ran up to just 1200 THB, including medicine and there were so many pretty nurses.
I had not suffered the gonorrhea/chlamydia/urethritus ailment in a long while, but recently picked it up in Pattaya. I tried Cefspan (400mg) instead of azithromycin on the recommendation of a pharmacist. Cefspan contains cefixime. I just took it yesterday and while it knocked the infection back prodigiously, I can't tell yet if the cure is permanent.
Have any of your mongers had experience with oral Cefspan?
I've found pharmacists in Thailand not to be very smart. If your symptoms don't clear up, go see a doc. You may need injections.
Cefspan appears to have worked, thank you Amjeck. Basically the same stuff as in the injections. Usually I rely on azithromycin which is pretty foolproof. Actually the pharmacist had suggested taking both the Cefspand and azithromycin to kill everything, but I didn't want to spend the money or deal with a tummy-ache!
Elya Health and Nutrition Clinic
I stumbled across this place while walking around Sukhumvit this afternoon. It's a health and nutrition clinic near the corner of Soi 5, and they do full STD testing. I had the pinprick on my finger for the HIV blood test, went shopping and came back 15 minutes later, to my 'negative' result. I asked them what happens when a result comes up positive. They told me they take the 'positive patients' upstairs to the doctor for a confirmation test and counselling. They said they don't report positive cases to the authorities.
It's an anonymous and friendly service - they ask for a name, but you can give a false name, as they don't ask for ID. They gave me a "HIV-negative" certificate with my psuedonym on it. I told the flirty nurse "I don't need it - or should I show it to my wife?" and she giggled.
The test costs 1,000Baht, but you can ask for the "Opebo Special" - a book of 20 vouchers for 20% discount.
Speaking of anonymous testing, I finally got around to checking out the Red Cross Anonymous Clinic (คลีนิคนิรนาม = Khliinik Niranaam). It's on Ratdamri Rd. near the intersection with Sarasin, built between the two big water towers. Cheap (B200), quick, friendly, and professional.
While waiting for my results I got a bit of a reality check: talked to a couple HIV+ Thai guys who come their for their monthly viral load and other tests. There but for the grace of God . . . .
It needs to be said again: there's really no downside to getting tested, especially at a place like this. If you're negative, as I was, it's a relief, and good motivation to be even more careful in future. If positive, they're well set up for consultation and referral.
...The test costs 1,000Baht, but you can ask for the "Opebo Special" - a book of 20 vouchers for 20% discount.I believe Opebo doesn't need th testing. HIV doesn't make you drip. So why bother?
Speaking of anonymous testing, I finally got around to checking out the Red Cross Anonymous Clinic (คลีนิคนิรนาม = Khliinik Niranaam). It's on Ratdamri Rd. near the intersection with Sarasin, built between the two big water towers. Cheap (B200), quick, friendly, and professional.
While waiting for my results I got a bit of a reality check... [Snip]
I assume you mean Thanon Ratchadamri.
How long did you have to wait for the results?
Is it Really anonymous (no report to the government if there's bad news)?
Thanks for the info!
GG
I assume you mean Thanon Ratchadamri.That's the official pronunciation. Most Bangkokians just say Ratdamri.
Results took about 40 minutes.
They don't report to the government. They do of course compile statistics on their overall findings, since they're a research institute, but individual results are strictly confidential and anonymous. They give you a form on which you can provide as much or as little information as you want -- I left it mostly blank. They like to take a fingerprint which they claim is purely for internal use (understandable for legal liability and research reasons) but I think that's optional too.
They seem to take pride in their discretion, and seeing as how they've been operating since the early 1990s without any bad reports that I know of, I'd tend to trust them.
Dobinator1
05-21-09, 06:06
NIH Spends $178,000 to Study Why Prostitutes in Thailand Have High HIV Risk:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/20/nih-spends-study-prostitutes-thailand-high-hiv-risk/
Redfield10
05-21-09, 07:29
Read "The Wisdom of *****s" by Pisani. If you want to know all about HIV, etc. Great, informative book by a researcher.
NIH Spends $178,000 to Study Why Prostitutes in Thailand Have High HIV Risk:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/20/nih-spends-study-prostitutes-thailand-high-hiv-risk/
NIH Spends $178,000 to Study Why Prostitutes in Thailand Have High HIV Risk:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/20/nih-spends-study-prostitutes-thailand-high-hiv-risk/
You have to wonder why they selected Thailand to do this study and what benefit the people paying the bill will gain. Probably also could be done for a less lot money.
Another knee-jerk response to the funding of scientific research. Gentlemen, $178,000 is a very tiny budget for such study, and anyway all such spending is beneficial in a Keynesian sense.
However, MY particular kneejerk response is this - that this sort of study is part of the American anti-sex campaign around the world. They want to shut down sex whereever it is still happening freely around the world, and Thailand is a major target.
I went for a full check on my return from LOS. All was clear but the doctor suggested I get Hep B immunisation. He told me I was flirting with Hep B which is prevalent in Thailand and the immunisation gives a high level of protection. You get three jabs over the course of three weeks.
White Whale
05-25-09, 15:45
returned about four weeks ago from philippines and and short stay in bkk. very soon my right eye got severily infected and then also left eye. eye doctor prescribed eye drops with antibiotics and antibiotics as pills for seven days. she said that the infection might have been caused by chlamydia.
two weeks later my foreskin got painful because of wounding so i went to doctors again. this morning numerous blood and a [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) sample was taken. also bacteria growth will be analyzed. they are checking for syphilis, chlamydia, gonorrhoea, hepatitis, herpes and hiv.
in one and half weeks i will know what i won. it may not be std but until then i will not sleep that well. i wore condom with every penetration but did daty and fingering unprotected. all bjs were owo. i wonder if one can get std rubbing eye with finger carrying germs...
all tests came back negative. the foreskin problem must just have been wear and tear :)
just got my second shot for hepatitis b. third one still coming.
Ny Desiman
06-17-09, 20:20
I may sound stupid by asking a question related to our favourite activity. But, better safe then stupid and better now then never. And hopefully my posting this report on this thread will enlighten me ........
I enjoy the the P4P scence because of the convenience and hassle free nature of it. However, I miss the GFE activities where I do my part such as kissing deep, cullinigus etc. But, in a P4P situation, I have always been cautious and always used condom and in foreplay only touching, licking, dry kissing of my lady. I mostly let the woman take care of things. But, this can be unfulfilling sometimes. I have seen many pictures here in the forum that shows our ISG members doing the above things i.e. french kissing, DATY, bareback 69 etc.
How far can I go in terms of foreplay when I am picking up a freelancer? I love Thai woman but I want to play it safe too.
LittleBigMan
06-17-09, 23:02
Go to www.webmd.com
Look for myths!
LBM
Nah, not worth it unless you're bored.
Warts are no big deal really. They kill women not men.
Killing women sounds like a big deal to me. HPV, the virus that causes warts, increases your chances of getting oral/throat cancer, a lot.
For many years I always used azithromycin for treating gonorrhea, and I believe this is commonplace in Thailand as this medicament is always prominently displayed in pharmacies. However recently my local pharmacist recommended a one time dosage of 400 mg cefixime in addition to the 1 g one time dose of azithromycin. He seemed to suggest that the former was for gonorrhea and the latter for chlamydia, but he may also have meant that both have effectiveness for both ailments.
Last time (a couple of months ago) I used the cefixime only and it worked fine, without the upset stomach that goes with the azithromycin. Just the last few days I had another bout, which I have just treated with cefixime (Cefspan). I'll report back if the treatment doesn't work. Incidentally cefixime seems very difficult to find in Thai pharmacies, unlike azithromycine.
Reading the latest CDC information I could find it seems that organization has resolved that the cipro/norfloxacin route (fluoroquinolones) is no longer viable due to resistance, and thus it recommends the cephalosporin family only for treatment of gonorrhea (cefixime being the oral formulation).
What I'm wondering is - do you mongers reading here use mostly just azithromycin, or the combo of cefixime and azithromycin? Or cefixime alone? Or do most of you go for the shot in the ass at the doctor's office or hospital? Lastly does anyone know why the CDC recommends only cephalosporins and not azithromycin in light of fluoroquinolone resistance?
Member #3428
06-21-09, 21:44
What I'm wondering is - do you mongers reading here use mostly just azithromycin, or the combo of cefixime and azithromycin? Or cefixime alone? Or do most of you go for the shot in the ass at the doctor's office or hospital? Lastly does anyone know why the CDC recommends only cephalosporins and not azithromycin in light of fluoroquinolone resistance?
It's been a while now (over two years) that Doctors should have changed their prescriptions from Cirpofloxacin, ofloxacin and levofloxacin because of the increasing resistance to N. gonorrheae to the fluoroquinolone drugs and only the cephalosporins are being recommended to treat gonorrheal infections.
Cehpalosporins can be (in common terms) claforan, keflex, keftabs, ceclor, mefoxin, ceptax, suprax. Surprisingly the change started to these medicines before everyone else in the Asia, Pacific Island, and California due to the resistance of the strains of gonorrheal infections in these regions. I think the recommended treatment changed officially for everyone in early 2007 due to the Gonococcal Isolate Surveillance Project.
For me, I go on a three type of antibiotic and rotate through the year (when needed not continually) but Keflex is my choice.
...Doctors should have changed their prescriptions from Cirpofloxacin, ofloxacin and levofloxacin because of the increasing resistance to N. gonorrheae to the fluoroquinolone drugs and only the cephalosporins are being recommended to treat gonorrheal infections.
Thanks for your prompt and useful response! I don't normally use doctors, but the majority of pharmacists in Thailand still recommend Ciprofloxacin or Norfloxacin. A few however know to recommend azithromycin and/or a cephalosporin.
For me, I go on a three type of antibiotic and rotate through the year (when needed not continually) but Keflex is my choice.
Just wondering why you prefer Keflex and how it is different from Cefspan?
It's been a while now (over two years) that Doctors should have changed their prescriptions from Cirpofloxacin, ofloxacin and levofloxacin because of the increasing resistance to N. gonorrheae to the fluoroquinolone drugs and only the cephalosporins are being recommended to treat gonorrheal infections.
Cehpalosporins can be (in common terms) claforan, keflex, keftabs, ceclor, mefoxin, ceptax, suprax. Surprisingly the change started to these medicines before everyone else in the Asia, Pacific Island, and California due to the resistance of the strains of gonorrheal infections in these regions. I think the recommended treatment changed officially for everyone in early 2007 due to the Gonococcal Isolate Surveillance Project.
For me, I go on a three type of antibiotic and rotate through the year (when needed not continually) but Keflex is my choice.
It is not really a surprise that resistance to first-line antibiotics tends to originate in Southeast Asia. It happened with anti-malarial drugs and now with drugs used for sexually-transmitted infections. The main reason is well-known: the high prevalence of self-medication including the improper use of these powerful drugs (typically using low doses for supposed prevention) and also stopping treatment before the full course has been completed when symptoms actually appear.
Sad to say, the mongers who post dubious recommendations for self-treatment and preventiion here are just as culpable as the "ignorant peasants" and the unqualified drug-sellers that these outcomes are usually blamed on. If you are too ashamed or too cheap to consult a well-informed and conscientious medical professional with your STI symptoms (and not all are, especially those who know they will never see you again!), you shouldn't be out playing with naughty girls. If these drugs are used as seem to be described here, you might or might not be putting yourself at risk, but you will definitely be contributing to the development of drug resistance and putting a lot more people in danger in the future.
If you are too ashamed or too cheap to consult a well-informed and conscientious medical professional with your STI symptoms (and not all are, especially those who know they will never see you again!), you shouldn't be out playing with naughty girls.
yes, Tansak, go see a doctor wud ya, you cheap charlie ;)
Member #3428
06-22-09, 08:07
Sad to say, the mongers who post dubious recommendations for self-treatment and preventiion here are just as culpable as the "ignorant peasants" and the unqualified drug-sellers that these outcomes are usually blamed on. If you are too ashamed or too cheap to consult a well-informed and conscientious medical professional with your STI symptoms (and not all are, especially those who know they will never see you again!), you shouldn't be out playing with naughty girls. If these drugs are used as seem to be described here, you might or might not be putting yourself at risk, but you will definitely be contributing to the development of drug resistance and putting a lot more people in danger in the future.
My first written response was with words like self righteous prick and dick head and such. But since I was chatting with my brother 1Ball and he told me I should tone it down a little out of respect for him as he is SO OLD and Senile I will.
So I'll step back a moment here and let me ask, where does it state I self medicate or that I advise to self medicate? Please show me in my post something that is not correct as this was given to me by a doctor and my antibiotic routine is prescribed by a doctor due to my working conditions.
I am in the Pacific with a wide varieties of strange illnesses and travel through out SE Asia in remote areas. I'm not talking just about STD's but we've had briefing after briefing about STD's every six months.
Opebo asked a prevalent question and I responded to his post. And I gave him factual information that is reported to me. Never did I state he should self medicate and never did I state I self medicate. My routine is prescribed by an international organization doctor. I even said that the DOCTORS should have changed their prescriptions.....
Must be nice to live on such a high horse you self righteous prick... Oops... damn that slipped out again...
Member #3428
06-22-09, 08:09
yes, Tansak, go see a doctor wud ya, you cheap charlie ;)
Just got all my labs back today... clean as a whistle...
But I'm so whipped that now my current GF wants to see the reports and.... since she thinks we are almost up to the alter now... her older sister wants to take us to get our blood checked before we have sex together...
She's a little too late for that but we won't tell anyone.... ;)
Member #3428
06-22-09, 08:14
Thanks for your prompt and useful response! I don't normally use doctors, but the majority of pharmacists in Thailand still recommend Ciprofloxacin or Norfloxacin. A few however know to recommend azithromycin and/or a cephalosporin.
Just wondering why you prefer Keflex and how it is different from Cefspan?
Pharmacists will use what the guy before them used or what the last customer asked for. Some actually know what they are doing but the one's I've talked to grab a box and sell it out...
Keflex for me for my items I get and I'm not talking STDS have always packed the fastest recovery times.
Member #3428
06-22-09, 08:32
you shouldn't be out playing with naughty girls
Naughty girls??? I haven't seen it described this way since my grandfathers time...
I'm happy to have "naughty girls" to play with. For me it's better then going to the church social.
...If these drugs are used as seem to be described here, you might or might not be putting yourself at risk, but you will definitely be contributing to the development of drug resistance and putting a lot more people in danger in the future.
No, the use as described here is precisely as prescribed by doctors and recommended by the CDC, Leni. 400 mg Cefspan taken in one dose for gonorrhea, and 1 g of azithromycin taken in one dose for chlamydia is absolutely standard. Many sources also suggest the 1g of azithromycin is effective for gonorrhea as well, but that is the only (and only very slightly) 'non-standard' remedy discussed here.
I appreciate your awe of the medical profession, but I don't fully share it. If I'm in some obscure Thai town and discover that I have the same drip-and-burning that I had six months ago, I will gain absolutely nothing by visiting the local doctors. I can simply use what worked last time.
And by the way, the Cefspan worked perfectly - the old eurethral aperture is dry as a bone and clean as a whistle this afternoon!
Pharmacists will use what the guy before them used or what the last customer asked for. Some actually know what they are doing but the one's I've talked to grab a box and sell it out...
Keflex for me for my items I get and I'm not talking STDS have always packed the fastest recovery times.
Thanks for demonstrating my point. The pharmacists sell whatever they can to make a few baht. It must be nice to be YOUNG, rich, and handsome AND so brilliant that you don't have to read posts carefully. I chose to quote you before just for continuity, and you may note that I did not specifically refer to you. I was referring to literally hundreds of posts I have seen on ISG, including some that suggest barebacking is fine if you just do or ingest such-and-such before, after, during, etc.
Bkk Rookie
06-25-09, 04:01
DATY
How far can I go in terms of foreplay when I am picking up a freelancer? I love Thai woman but I want to play it safe too.http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/Cunnilingus-adn-STD-risks/show/247309
Vito Corleone
06-25-09, 11:09
Naughty girls??? I haven't seen it described this way since my grandfathers time...
I'm happy to have "naughty girls" to play with. For me it's better then going to the church social.
Those squeaky clean church women are serious sexual freaks! I try to attend religeous evets as much as possible in search of some really good poon!
A middle aged American business man found himself in Bangkok with spare time after a business meeting. The hotel bellboy offered to find him a pretty girl for a little afternoon delight. The girl showed up and was a gorgeous little spinner who met all his demands. Unknown at the time the condom had broken sometime during reverse cowgirl from the the girl's enthusiastic thrusts. He immediately washed thoroughly when the sex was complete.
Two weeks later when he was back in the US, his cock started to itch and turned different colors. There was black, purple and green patches all over his sore cock. He checked the internet and did not see anything that would explain the multiple colors, the itch and pain.
Out of fear, he went to his medical provider to get his tool checked out. He was lead into a room and told to strip and await the doctor. In comes the doctor who has him lift the backless gown he was wearing. The doctor turned pale, gagged and ran out of the room. The now composed doctor reentered the room, apologizing for his reaction and begin the examination. He consulted his medical books and told the distraught man that the only cure was to remove his cock and balls before the infection spread to the rest of his body.
The poor guy was terribly upset and told the doctor no way was he going to let anyone cut off his dick and left in a huff.
Several more days passed, the colors were getting darker and the itching and pain was nearly unbearable. It dawn on him if he got the disease in Thailand, maybe a Thai doctor could heal him. At the Thai doctors, blood test and swabs were taken. The doctor entered the room for the exam with the test results. After the exam, the man told the Thai doctor what the American doctor had said and how he want to remove his cock.
The Thai doctor looked over the test results again, and leaned closer to take a second look at the infected penis. He leaned back and said it would not be necessary to remove his penis.
The man looked relieved and exclaimed, "I don't have to cut my dick off!"
The doctor looked him in the eye and said "No. In a few days it fall off by itself."
...the the girl's enthusiastic thrusts.
This was the one part of that story which amused me.
Asia Butterfly
07-15-09, 23:28
To all you self treating guru's, I want to find out if any of you have information about how high the risk of getting NGU from a Thai Girl during BBBJ. I had some friends over this weekend and we were talking about out hobby in BKK and I explained that i have a girl that just loves going to town with my dick and one of my friends tells me that I should get checked for NGU especially if you feel any kind of irritation 3 weeks later.
I have gone over past reports and not much about NGU, so if anyone knows, please let me know. I am due back in BKK in August and I need to know how I should deal with this. Damm i hate the CBJ
AB
Member #3428
07-16-09, 06:18
To all you self treating guru's, I want to find out if any of you have information about how high the risk of getting NGU from a Thai Girl during BBBJ. I had some friends over this weekend and we were talking about out hobby in BKK and I explained that i have a girl that just loves going to town with my dick and one of my friends tells me that I should get checked for NGU especially if you feel any kind of irritation 3 weeks later.
I have gone over past reports and not much about NGU, so if anyone knows, please let me know. I am due back in BKK in August and I need to know how I should deal with this. Damm i hate the CBJ
AB
Not Thai specific but YES oral sex is starting to have a much higher risk of Non Gonococcal Urethritis (NGU). It can also be called Non Specific Urethritis (NSU). It is usually Chlamydia Trachomatis but there are about four common ones out there. Or this is as I understand the situation. You will be at risk for NGU / NSU from a uncovered BJ. However.. I am not sure the rates for infection in Thai are that high, I think many other countries carry a much higher risk factor for this then thailand.
But really it's a quick antibiotic cure if you come down with it. Not saying it doesn't hurt but it isn't like this STD is life threatening...
Risk / Reward factor... does the reward of getting a straight BBJCIM cover the risk of getting some pain and inflammation and going on some antibiotics IF you happen to catch it? It's our own personal choices.
Member #3428
07-16-09, 06:21
Those squeaky clean church women are serious sexual freaks! I try to attend religeous evets as much as possible in search of some really good poon!
Come to think of it, I had a girl say all the good thai girl routine to me, even had to go to temple and such... then I took her home like a gentleman and she nailed the heck out of me...
I might have to hang out at the temples more often... :D
Lover Boy #2
07-20-09, 04:48
NIH Spends $178,000 to Study Why Prostitutes in Thailand Have High HIV Risk:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/20/nih-spends-study-prostitutes-thailand-high-hiv-risk/
...and now the $178,000 answer;
...it is because they are performing "at risk" activites without a condom. This is more so in Thailand than any other place that has large numbers of sex workers. Girls in FKK Clubs in Germany are engaging in sex all day long...but they use condoms....hence no recorded hiv. Thailand sex workers are very lax about protection for the most part.
Lover Boy #2
07-20-09, 04:54
Speaking of anonymous testing, I finally got around to checking out the Red Cross Anonymous Clinic (คลีนิคนิรนาม = Khliinik Niranaam). It's on Ratdamri Rd. near the intersection with Sarasin, built between the two big water towers. Cheap (B200), quick, friendly, and professional.
While waiting for my results I got a bit of a reality check: talked to a couple HIV+ Thai guys who come their for their monthly viral load and other tests. There but for the grace of God . . . .
It needs to be said again: there's really no downside to getting tested, especially at a place like this. If you're negative, as I was, it's a relief, and good motivation to be even more careful in future. If positive, they're well set up for consultation and referral.
If you bring your Thai gf to this place...and she is willing to show her ID....the testing is free. I have brought many girls to this place after condom breaks...or beginning some lt relationship. The testing is fast and the result interview is painless. Sometimes the girls are afraid to show their ID card, as they believe it will be reported that they were even there.....then you have to pay a few hundred baht.....I think 200 is right.
Asia Butterfly
07-20-09, 22:34
Not Thai specific but YES oral sex is starting to have a much higher risk of Non Gonococcal Urethritis (NGU). It can also be called Non Specific Urethritis (NSU). It is usually Chlamydia Trachomatis but there are about four common ones out there. Or this is as I understand the situation. You will be at risk for NGU / NSU from a uncovered BJ. However.. I am not sure the rates for infection in Thai are that high, I think many other countries carry a much higher risk factor for this then thailand.
But really it's a quick antibiotic cure if you come down with it. Not saying it doesn't hurt but it isn't like this STD is life threatening...
Risk / Reward factor... does the reward of getting a straight BBJCIM cover the risk of getting some pain and inflammation and going on some antibiotics IF you happen to catch it? It's our own personal choices.So what happens if you kiss the girl and she has the bacteria. It is real confusing to me. In any case, it appears that this is cleared by regulay doxy.
Member #3428
07-21-09, 00:19
So what happens if you kiss the girl and she has the bacteria. It is real confusing to me. In any case, it appears that this is cleared by regulay doxy.You should talk to your doctor. Doxy (Doxycycline 100 mg usually) could be given to you for NGU. From what I understand you can't transmit it by kissing each other it must be oral sex as the disease can be in the mouth but needs to get into the dick or pussy (as it is a bacterial infection in the Urinary Tract area). You can have the bacteria in your body but it is infected in the urinary tract.
Go see a clinic for good info. However if you get this, and you don't get it treated correctly and don't get it completely cleared up you can go years and years of recurrences (discharge, head aches, balls hurt, pain while pissing, many many symptoms).
I get checked every month on a complete work up even when I'm using 100% protected sex.
NIH Spends $178,000 to Study Why Prostitutes in Thailand Have High HIV Risk:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/20/nih-spends-study-prostitutes-thailand-high-hiv-risk/From this article:
Researchers plan to interview 60 sex workers -- 36 women and 24 kathoey...$178,000 for interviewing 60 sex workers! Wow!
That's seriously overpaying!
just got back from the hospital and was diagnosed with chlamydia. the doc said that i had been infected within the last 7-10 days, so it was definitely my newly acquired g/f who gave it to me. gave me some meds and told me that it the burning sensation when i [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) would go away within 3-4 days.
now to my query. she is definitely the one who gave it to me, but is it possible that she didn't know that she had it? when we first got together she claimed that she had not had sex in over 2 years - is it possible for chlamydia to remain dormant for that long? or is she definitely lying?
she's no bargirl - met her on thai love links and she seems like a very good girl, but i guess you never know.
just got back from the hospital and was diagnosed with chlamydia. the doc said that i had been infected within the last 7-10 days, so it was definitely my newly acquired g/f who gave it to me. gave me some meds and told me that it the burning sensation when i [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) would go away within 3-4 days.
now to my query. she is definitely the one who gave it to me, but is it possible that she didn't know that she had it? when we first got together she claimed that she had not had sex in over 2 years - is it possible for chlamydia to remain dormant for that long? or is she definitely lying?
she's no bargirl - met her on thai love links and she seems like a very good girl, but i guess you never know.
hate to tell you this but there are bgs and ex bgs on tll. i've met more than a few of them, luckily none of them ever gave me any stds.
Member #3428
09-26-09, 11:33
Now to my query. She is definitely the one who gave it to me, but is it possible that she didn't know that she had it? When we first got together she claimed that she had not had sex in over 2 years - is it possible for Chlamydia to remain dormant for that long? Or is she definitely lying?
Actually, MOST women do not even know they have Chlamydia and about half the men who have it do not experience any symptoms. The only way to know if you have it is if you get tested and most women are suggested to get tested once a year if they are sexually active. It is known as the Silent Disease as most folks do not know they have it, and the damage it does to women you will not realize they become sterile until it is too late etc...
So is her story real? Could be, I'm not sure about no sex for two years but she can have the disease for a long time with no symptoms.
Member #3428
09-26-09, 11:40
The Doc said that I had been infected within the last 7-10 days
Um.... symptoms show up from 1 to 3 weeks after exposure for most cases but can show up much later. You could have been exposed long ago mate, it does not have to be from her. But if you got it from other you might have given it to her. So she should be checked either way, and treated....
RE: Support from my other post...
"Chlamydia is known as the "Silent Epidemic" because in women, it may not cause any symptoms in 75% of cases[8], and can linger for months or years before being discovered"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlamydia_infection
Um.... symptoms show up from 1 to 3 weeks after exposure for most cases but can show up much later. You could have been exposed long ago mate, it does not have to be from her. But if you got it from other you might have given it to her. So she should be checked either way, and treated....
Before her, the last girl I had sex with was over 2 months ago, and we used a condom. I've always used a condom with girls who were not my g/f - been about 6 months since the last one, so it has to be the current g/f who gave it to me.
She's getting checked on Monday - she's scared that she might not be able to have children because it was obviously dormant for 2 years.
From this article:
$178,000 for interviewing 60 sex workers! Wow!
That's seriously overpaying!
I think you have to factor in the time it take to find 60 willing sex workers. The researcher most likely has to interview hundred if not thousand just to find these 60 sex workers. For the data to be valid, the researcher might have to leave out the data from those they deemed to be lying. Most of the grant will go toward the researcher salary-that is how most grant are, salary for the researcher.
I think you have to factor in the time it take to find 60 willing sex workers. The researcher most likely has to interview hundred if not thousand just to find these 60 sex workers. For the data to be valid, the researcher might have to leave out the data from those they deemed to be lying. Most of the grant will go toward the researcher salary-that is how most grant are, salary for the researcher.
I think that you've missed the irony in my previous post. I probably should have added a smiley. :D
Member #3428
09-26-09, 22:48
Before her, the last girl I had sex with was over 2 months ago, and we used a condom. I've always used a condom with girls who were not my g/f - been about 6 months since the last one, so it has to be the current g/f who gave it to me.
She's getting checked on Monday - she's scared that she might not be able to have children because it was obviously dormant for 2 years.
That is good news, but also you can get it from oral sex and other means. She probably had it and it was sitting in her for long time but I'm just making the point for others that you could have gotten it from other ways, or it was inside you for a while also.
She's no bargirl - met her on Thai Love Links and she seems like a very good girl, but I guess you never know.
She's Thai. All Thai's lie and none are to be trusted!
NicFrenchy
09-28-09, 08:49
She's Thai. All Thai's lie and none are to be trusted!
Because you think Expats and Tourists are honest? hahahahaha right.
M P Lurker
09-28-09, 12:11
just got back from the hospital and was diagnosed with chlamydia. the doc said that i had been infected within the last 7-10 days, so it was definitely my newly acquired g/f who gave it to me. gave me some meds and told me that it the burning sensation when i [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) would go away within 3-4 days.
now to my query. she is definitely the one who gave it to me, but is it possible that she didn't know that she had it? when we first got together she claimed that she had not had sex in over 2 years - is it possible for chlamydia to remain dormant for that long? or is she definitely lying?
she's no bargirl - met her on thai love links and she seems like a very good girl, but i guess you never know.
the doctor probably should have said most likely in last 7 days. only experienced specialists are likely to really know what they talking about.
can catch chlamydia from bbbj, or from fingering, believe me i know. now the doctor told me that from oral was impossible, so he was badly informed. i also got it in the eye after rubbing my eye presumably. the condom on my dick didn't prevent this :d
its most probable that the girl is lying if you aren't. if you had a bbbj recently then maybe that was it.
but if the end, it doesn't really matter how you got it. just treat it and do internet research to see what things are risky.
it didn't kill me. i keep spare antibotics just in case now.
anyway, i suggest getting both you and your gf tested, before embarking on unprotected screwing, and even then i would not rush into it.
Hate to tell you this but there are BGs and ex BGs on TLL.
I've met more than a few of them, luckily none of them ever gave me any STDs.Did you have to pay them something for action?
Because you think Expats and Tourists are honest? hahahahaha right.
Irrelevant! Has nothing to do with what I said.
She went to the hospital today - she's all clear - no trace of chlamydia. So it's either a misdiagnosis or it's been dormant in my system for a few months. I was shagging loads of girls before I met her (all with protection) a few months ago, so who knows.
But I have another query. When the doc was inspecting my penis he noticed little bumps in my genital area. They are not genital warts - they are right above the base of my penis but not on it. There are two of these bumps - they have been there for years and this past year I have taken to trying to freeze them off with various products from the states which usually results in a shrinking of these things but they usually come back within a few weeks. I thought I had gotten them from shaving and from living in a hot place like Bangkok but he said that they were cysts of some sort and that they could cause cancer. He said that I got them from sex and that they needed to be cauterized electrically. He also said it was going to cost 12-15,000 baht for the procedure.
Anyone have any experience with this? I've had these buggers for years - they don't hurt but they are an annoyance.
...He also said it was going to cost 12-15,000 baht for the procedure.
Haha, I think there you have your answer, MF. Get a second opinion. Heck if you're from a civilized country that has socialized medicine, just wait till you get home.
Member #4285
09-29-09, 09:46
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=934661&postcount=7508
so i went to the bumrungrad hospital to check up what the pain was between my anus and scrotum. and it was not herpes he sad and told me it was from the scooterdriving. but what i heard is that the symptom can vary. doh, im such a silly boy that cant even trust the best hospital in town..
even took hiv, syfilis and gonorrhoea and all was negative. the chlamydia has 2 weeks waiting for the result. but damn that hurted. i couldnt lay still, felt like a sissy. oh man, that hurted and still hurts when i touch the top. and when i urinated after it hurted to. its my first chlamydia test and im not sure he did it the proper way. ive herad from others that its not a fun story to do the test, but should it hurt when you [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) after the test? ill hope i dont need to take the test again..
glad all the other results were negative. hope i can use my dick soon again and then it will be cbj. dont want these mindfucks again..
So I went to the Bumrungrad Hospital to check up what the pain was between my anus and scrotum. And It was not herpes he sad and told me it was from the scooterdriving. But what I heard is that the symptom can vary. Doh, im such a silly boy that cant even trust the best hospital in town..
If scooters are that hard on you, you might try wearing bike shorts. :)
Cranberry juice or cranberry juice extract is a good first line of defense against urinary tract problems. I can't find either one on the road so I just bring some extract from home and it works well.
Member #4285
09-29-09, 16:39
If scooters are that hard on you, you might try wearing bike shorts. :)
Cranberry juice or cranberry juice extract is a good first line of defense against urinary tract problems. I can't find either one on the road so I just bring some extract from home and it works well.
Ive been driving scooters motocross all my life and never got this thing. Must have been the scooter that was wrong and not me =P
Thanks for the advice. Ill try to wash my dick and anus with juice next time then.. or I drink it, or both :D
Heck if you're from a civilized country that has socialized medicine, just wait till you get home.
Is there such a thing? Civilized, socialized. These 2 don't seem to go together.
Is there such a thing? Civilized, socialized. These 2 don't seem to go together.
Brother, I'm from The Bad Place. Take it from me, from our unfortunate perspective, places like Germany, Sweden, Britain all look pretty idyllic. Heck even Taiwan looks better. People get sick and die in the Bad Place just because its an unadulterated plutocracy.
Chocha Monger
09-29-09, 19:37
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=934661&postcount=7508
so i went to the bumrungrad hospital to check up what the pain was between my anus and scrotum. and it was not herpes he sad and told me it was from the scooterdriving. but what i heard is that the symptom can vary. doh, im such a silly boy that cant even trust the best hospital in town..
even took hiv, syfilis and gonorrhoea and all was negative. the chlamydia has 2 weeks waiting for the result. but damn that hurted. i couldnt lay still, felt like a sissy. oh man, that hurted and still hurts when i touch the top. and when i urinated after it hurted to. its my first chlamydia test and im not sure he did it the proper way. ive herad from others that its not a fun story to do the test, but should it hurt when you [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) after the test? ill hope i dont need to take the test again..
glad all the other results were negative. hope i can use my dick soon again and then it will be cbj. dont want these mindfucks again..
damn! kid icarus, you got fingered and ramrodded all in one day! it makes you want to say no to bareback blowjob, anal rimming and skinless fuck doesn't it?
Member #4285
09-29-09, 23:27
Damn! Kid Icarus, you got fingered and ramrodded all in one day! It makes you want to say no to bareback blowjob, anal rimming and skinless fuck doesn't it?
Im not sure what it says me. But, some good will cum out from everything, sooner or later..
Anthony Morrison
10-09-09, 06:20
There are a million reasons to wear one of those little rubber devices on the end of your. All of them as you know, painful. But the most painful one is when she comes back to you and says, "I have baby"
Cheers,
Tony
http://www.27red.com/
There are a million reasons to wear one of those little rubber devices on the end of your. All of them as you know, painful. But the most painful one is when she comes back to you and says, "I have baby"
Cheers,
Tony
http://www.27red.com/
Painful for her and the Baby but not necessarily for punters, who in many cases are long-gone in search of their next conquest.
You guys ever hear of a vasectomy? Or is that too new world?
Painful for her and the Baby but not necessarily for punters, who in many cases are long-gone in search of their next conquest.
Ive been driving scooters motocross all my life and never got this thing. Must have been the scooter that was wrong and not me =P
Thanks for the advice. Ill try to wash my dick and anus with juice next time then.. or I drink it, or both :DYou may want to get checked for prostetitis. Its symptoms are similar to what you are describing. Slight burning when you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and discomfort in the area you are talking about. Its the male version of a UTI. The prostate can become infected and treating it is difficult requiring a long bout of strong antibiotics. The quickest way to know is have a doctor do a digital exam. If when he or she touches your prostate it is painful, you have a prostate infection. I'm betting that's what you have. The downside is once you get prostate infections you are susceptible to them.
On a side note, Oral sex is not a common cause of infection with this bacteria. Chlamydia is less likely to be transmitted during oral sex because the bacteria that cause chlamydia prefer to target the genital area rather than the throat. This is why it is unlikely for chlamydia to be transmitted from mouth-to-penis and penis-to-mouth contact, although it is still possible.
http://www.ashastd.org/learn/learn_chlamydia. Cfm
To understand your risks (assuming you believe BBBJ is fairly low risk) you need to understand how these diseases function. What environments they can and can not survive in.
Chlamydia and gonorrhea are both bacteria. Chlamydia does not survive well in the throat or mouth well while gonorrhea does. HIV is a virus and a blood/fluid transmitted disease. There are NO known cases where the HIV virus has ever been detected in human saliva. So, unless you have open cuts or sores on your johnson and she has cuts and/or open sores in her mouth, your chances of HIV infection are next to zero.
http://hivinsite.ucsf. Edu/InSite?page=pr-rr-05
Research study done showed: There were about 2, 000 men, 59 seroconversions, and we came up with an estimate of 4/10, 000--which was four one-hundredths of one percent--infection rate.
It is interesting to note that the person at the greatest risk is the one giving head not the one receiving it. Again, if you understand how the disease is most easily transmitted this makes sense.
Oki Guy 09
11-02-09, 18:08
It may interest some mongers to know that HIV has been linked to overuse of antibiotics and/or the accompanying infections.
This is one theory as to why gay men have a higher risk of hiv, namely because their immune systems are being constantly compromised by infections and the antibiotics they take.
We should all be playing safe, but what interests me most from what I read is that pro-actively taking antibiotics may actually compromise your immune system and open it up to HIV!
Be careful self medicating!
Actually Oki the reason those minor infections make one more susceptible is precisely because the immune system is more active - there are lots of immune system cells already in the urethra or vagina to be infected. (As I'm sure you know the cells which the virus infect are the immune system cells)
So it is accurate to say that getting minor stds increases ones risk, and leaving them untreated increases ones risk, but treating them with antibiotics (either independently or under a doctor's influence) does not.
Oki Guy 09
11-03-09, 12:34
Thanks Opebo,
Was not suggesting not to treat, of course treat infections that would be crazy if you didn't just that pre-dosing with antibiotics is not clever though. You just build up a resistance.
Actually Oki the reason those minor infections make one more susceptible is precisely because the immune system is more active - there are lots of immune system cells already in the urethra or vagina to be infected. (As I'm sure you know the cells which the virus infect are the immune system cells)
So it is accurate to say that getting minor stds increases ones risk, and leaving them untreated increases ones risk, but treating them with antibiotics (either independently or under a doctor's influence) does not.
For all you guys who love to fuck uncovered, be sure to look out for the fat lady on the BKK lower Suk ... she's HIV positive and offers bareback sex to one and all.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/investigation/27077/confessions-of-an-hiv-positive-prostitute
NicFrenchy
11-08-09, 09:29
For all you guys who love to fuck uncovered, be sure to look out for the fat lady on the BKK lower Suk ... she's HIV positive and offers bareback sex to one and all.
Sadly, she isn't the only one, there are a lot of girls like her
I know its unseemly to be amused at other's miseries, but this one had me chuckling:
After her first HIV test, a doctor suggested she start taking a cocktail of anti-retroviral drugs. She refused, saying it would result in pimples on her face.
I know its unseemly to be amused at other's miseries, but this one had me chuckling:
After her first HIV test, a doctor suggested she start taking a cocktail of anti-retroviral drugs. She refused, saying it would result in pimples on her face.
We must remember, Opebo, that 31 year old HIV infected fat girls with pimples on their face have a more difficult time finding customers, so I do understand why she made that unfortunate decision.
from the bangkok post, 1/12/2009
"about 30 million condoms will be distributed free, particularly to girls aged 15 to 19, throughout the country next year in an anti-aids campaign, deputy public health minister manit nopamornbodi said on tuesday. mr manit announced this in a speech to mark world aids day, dec 1. the minister said more than 33 million had been infected with hiv/aids worldwide.
in thailand, 358,260 people had contracted full aids and 95,983 of them had died. about 30 more people were infected with hiv everyday, he said. about 84 per cent of aids-infected people were estimated to have caught the deadly virus because they had sex without using a condom.
to reduce the spread of aids, the public health ministry would distribute 30 million condoms from public health offices throughout the country next year. emphasis would be on girls aged 15 to 19 years of age because statistics show the rate of infection in this group was twice the rate of boys in their late teens because they do not dare to refuse when asked to have sex or to demand the boys use a condom.
the ministry would also concentrate on educating people about aids and accepting those with hiv in society, mr manit said."
NicFrenchy
12-01-09, 15:50
from the bangkok post, 1/12/2009
"about 30 million condoms will be distributed free, particularly to girls aged 15 to 19, throughout the country next year in an anti-aids campaign, deputy public health minister manit nopamornbodi said on tuesday. mr manit announced this in a speech to mark world aids day, dec 1. the minister said more than 33 million had been infected with hiv/aids worldwide.
in thailand, 358,260 people had contracted full aids and 95,983 of them had died. about 30 more people were infected with hiv everyday, he said. about 84 per cent of aids-infected people were estimated to have caught the deadly virus because they had sex without using a condom.
to reduce the spread of aids, the public health ministry would distribute 30 million condoms from public health offices throughout the country next year. emphasis would be on girls aged 15 to 19 years of age because statistics show the rate of infection in this group was twice the rate of boys in their late teens because they do not dare to refuse when asked to have sex or to demand the boys use a condom.
the ministry would also concentrate on educating people about aids and accepting those with hiv in society, mr manit said."
sadly these stupid girls will not get the message and get hooked on condoms... they will soon realise that it's not that p;easurable and give up... also, they have the average somchai (mr moron) begging them to not use condoms, ejaculating inside their cunts and making a nice baby, then taking off after a month because they can't be bothered to take care of the sad kid.
Well, if I'm hooking up with Bangkok hookers, I just need to assume some HIV risk. But here's what happened. So I was fucking a girl, and just couldn't shoot my load in the condom for whatever reason. Happens a lot with me. So I gave up, pulled off the condom, and jerked off on her tits.
The problem is, what if I got some vag fluids on my hands, either from where some were deposited at the base of my dick, or from touching the condom itself? I'm sure I touched my urethral opening while I was stroking, so I could have stuck some HIV infected goo in there.
Now I got a rash and it looks an awful lot like what HIV+ people get as they seroconvert. Hope I'm not an exceptional case of bad luck.
Anyone else ever worry about this?
Member #3428
12-17-09, 21:10
Well, if I'm hooking up with Bangkok hookers, I just need to assume some HIV risk. But here's what happened. So I was fucking a girl, and just couldn't shoot my load in the condom for whatever reason. Happens a lot with me. So I gave up, pulled off the condom, and jerked off on her tits.
The problem is, what if I got some vag fluids on my hands, either from where some were deposited at the base of my dick, or from touching the condom itself? I'm sure I touched my urethral opening while I was stroking, so I could have stuck some HIV infected goo in there.
Now I got a rash and it looks an awful lot like what HIV+ people get as they seroconvert. Hope I'm not an exceptional case of bad luck.
Anyone else ever worry about this?
Hope you don't want us to diagnose you.... Nope I've never worried about getting HIV by jacking off, as I'm worried about it when the condom breaks or I go bareback.
In other words mate, go to a doctor. I just had a medical (twice a month) and my doctor scolded me as usual but tests are still negative.
...So I was fucking a girl, and just couldn't shoot my load in the condom for whatever reason. Happens a lot with me. So I gave up, pulled off the condom, and jerked off on her tits.
While obviously you have no risk whatever of HIV (and perhaps your question was facetious), you do bring up an interesting point. For many of us - perhaps most - it is impossible to receive enough stimulation while wearing a condom to attain orgasm. Of course it is also very normal to not be able to maintain an erection with one on, simply because there is little or no stimulation ('feeling').
It seems to me that given these rather severe drawbacks of condom-sex, a better focus of a 'safe sex' campaign might be some other practices, such as hand-jobs. How do give hand-jobs, how to be satisfied with hand-jobs only, and so forth. And most of all, to indoctrinate the populace to just accept hand-jobs as exciting and desirable, instead of sad and disappointing, as they are in actuality.
The problem is, what if I got some vag fluids on my hands, either from where some were deposited at the base of my dick, or from touching the condom itself? I'm sure I touched my urethral opening while I was stroking, so I could have stuck some HIV infected goo in there.I think the risk is very theoretical. HI viruses die almost immediately when they are out of the human body. The virus cannot live outside. Therefore you can't be infected through your own hands.
PS. But I was also worried when changing the condom I touched the inside of the 2nd condom before inserting it on my dick. But as said it should be almost impossible to get an HIV infection, and of course the girl also should have it, which is probably not so likely anyway.
The problem is, what if I got some vag fluids on my hands, either from where some were deposited at the base of my dick, or from touching the condom itself? I'm sure I touched my urethral opening while I was stroking, so I could have stuck some HIV infected goo in there.
Now I got a rash and it looks an awful lot like what HIV+ people get as they seroconvert. Hope I'm not an exceptional case of bad luck.
Anyone else ever worry about this?
You should tidy up your personal affairs, say goodbye to all, make a will etc - the end is near.
Hi all,
Was wondering how much risk is it when a person have sex with WG or sex provider and found out broken condom before ejaculation?
Another questions is how much risk is it for a person to have sex with WG or sex provider by inserting his little Johnny inside of here bareback and then afterwards wear condom and comes inside of her with the condom on. this is irregardless of whether he wash his little johnny first before covered with condom for the final action.
MD
seems to be an epidemic of broken condoms the past 8 days. this happemed to some one in china and vietnam. girls were very scarred.
Chocha Monger
01-13-10, 05:42
Hi all,
Was wondering how much risk is it when a person have sex with WG or sex provider and found out broken condom before ejaculation?
Another questions is how much risk is it for a person to have sex with WG or sex provider by inserting his little Johnny inside of here bareback and then afterwards wear condom and comes inside of her with the condom on. this is irregardless of whether he wash his little johnny first before covered with condom for the final action.
MD
It's the same as if you fucked bareback the entire time.
Lover Boy #2
01-13-10, 06:04
For all you guys who love to fuck uncovered, be sure to look out for the fat lady on the BKK lower Suk ... she's HIV positive and offers bareback sex to one and all.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/investigation/27077/confessions-of-an-hiv-positive-prostitute
....geeeesh....I think I fucked the one with the nice leg action in the photo....I hope she didn't get airborne HIV from the fat one......but I did use a condom!! Seriously, if Thailand was a legit country, the sow would be arrested and charged with murder.
It's the same as if you fucked bareback the entire time.
Hi,
Well, is there any differences between barebacking with full ejaculations inside of her against barebacking without ejaculations?
I learned from a site that circumsized man has the lower tendency to be infected against uncircumcised one, I am circumisized.
this is really the worst part in my life and still don't. know what to do with my wifey. I think waiting for 3 months not having sex with her will certainly makes her suspect what was going on with me but I don't. want to infected my love one.....so see, this is really not worth for me to gambled for few mins of lust in exchange for months of pounding worriness and stress.
I think after I get thru with this, I would like to practice abstinense, not really worth for us to have this kind of punishment just for few mins of happiness, worst if something happen.
MD
Chocha Monger
01-14-10, 03:30
Hi,
Well, is there any differences between barebacking with full ejaculations inside of her against barebacking without ejaculations?
I learned from a site that circumsized man has the lower tendency to be infected against uncircumcised one, I am circumisized.
this is really the worst part in my life and still don't. know what to do with my wifey. I think waiting for 3 months not having sex with her will certainly makes her suspect what was going on with me but I don't. want to infected my love one.....so see, this is really not worth for me to gambled for few mins of lust in exchange for months of pounding worriness and stress.
I think after I get thru with this, I would like to practice abstinense, not really worth for us to have this kind of punishment just for few mins of happiness, worst if something happen.
MD
The risk is lower for the woman if that man is HIV positive and there is no ejaculation. The risk is that same for the man because he is pumping vaginal secretions into his dick hole whether he nuts or not. The benefits of circumcision are not certain. There are studies showing benefit in HIV prevention and others showing no benefit whatsoever beyond losing some of the sensitive tissue in your dick which ironically means you're more likely to bareback in order to savor the subtle sensations of the pussy the way an intact man can.
Your risk also depends on what you did after you fucked raw. Did you wash you dick and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) before putting on a condom? Did you seek antiviral medication immediately after exposure? Did you fuck hard and bruise your dick?
You can tell the wifey that you fucked a prostitute raw dog and you have to use condoms with her until you get a negative test in the next 3-6 months. If you don't care about her you can just go about business as normal. Unless you're an unlucky bastard you probably didn't catch AIDS this time around but you should learn from the experience.
Lama Di Bali
01-14-10, 04:03
Now I got a rash
Get a life Dex, you have a one in a squillion chance of getting HIV in the circumstances you describe.
A rash in the groin in the tropics is more than likely caused by sweat and is easily fixed with Daktarin/cortisone ointment.
Here's the HIV skinny in words of one syllable.
For a man to get HIV, infected fluids from the sex partner have to enter his blood stream.
Usually but not exclusively, this happens in anal sex because the rectum is prone to tearing and infected fluid enters these little fissures or tears.
Theoretically this could happen in a heterosexual encounter if an infected woman, having used a sex toy on herself, then stuck it up your butt (a finger will do fine too).
To get HIV from fucking or wanking or whatever you need:
(1) an HIV positive sex partner
(2) an open wound, cut or lesion on your dick or groin area
If you have bleeding gums or acute mouth ulcers, the docs will say it is theoretically possible to get infected from DATY with an infected partner.
Far more common in LOS are virulent strains of gonorrhea that bollix the doctors when you go home. These strains need special intravenous antibiotics that in some countries are only available with special permission from the health authorities.
And be warned, you can get GO from a BBBJ. I am not repeating rumours or saying this happened to a friend of a friend.
It happened to me, and the symptoms appeared while I was a few days in Germany.
It was an absolute nightmare and I was treated like a leper. I thought they were going to demand I carried a handbell and walk around chanting "unclean, unclean"
I was shunted from hospital to hospital to clinic to surgery and after almost two weeks got treatment at a hospice for terminal gay AIDS patients.
i was in thailand for a couple of weeks in 2009. i had some bbbj but all vaginal sex was safely covered. on the morning of my flight back home, i started having symptoms of gonnorhea or chlamidia and they got worse over the next few days. burning/stinging feeling during urination, discharge, pain in the nads, urethra felt sore, dark [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). 6 days after the start of the symptoms i went to a clinic for a full battery of std tests. they took blood and [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) samples. four days after that i got the results: all negative, i was std-free. but by this time the symptoms started going away. after 14 days i was totally back to normal all symptoms were gone. i went to talk to a doctor about it and he said i probably just caught some bacteria (from oral sex) that caused a urinary tract infection and my immune system fought it off.
so that's my story, i thought i would share it.
Lover Boy #2
01-16-10, 03:44
i was in thailand for a couple of weeks in 2009. i had some bbbj but all vaginal sex was safely covered. on the morning of my flight back home, i started having symptoms of gonnorhea or chlamidia and they got worse over the next few days. burning/stinging feeling during urination, discharge, pain in the nads, urethra felt sore, dark [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). 6 days after the start of the symptoms i went to a clinic for a full battery of std tests. they took blood and [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) samples. four days after that i got the results: all negative, i was std-free. but by this time the symptoms started going away. after 14 days i was totally back to normal all symptoms were gone. i went to talk to a doctor about it and he said i probably just caught some bacteria (from oral sex) that caused a urinary tract infection and my immune system fought it off.
so that's my story, i thought i would share it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/non-gonococcal_urethritis
i was in thailand for a couple of weeks in 2009. i had some bbbj but all vaginal sex was safely covered. on the morning of my flight back home, i started having symptoms of gonnorhea or chlamidia and they got worse over the next few days. burning/stinging feeling during urination, discharge, pain in the nads, urethra felt sore, dark [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). 6 days after the start of the symptoms i went to a clinic for a full battery of std tests. they took blood and [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) samples. four days after that i got the results: all negative, i was std-free. but by this time the symptoms started going away. after 14 days i was totally back to normal all symptoms were gone. i went to talk to a doctor about it and he said i probably just caught some bacteria (from oral sex) that caused a urinary tract infection and my immune system fought it off.
so that's my story, i thought i would share it.same here. actually my dick was swallowen after the first week, and didn't get any better. actually it was getting worse when i got home. red and swallowen, and painful when [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112). went to doctor, and std-free.
if this happens next time i go to thailand, it wil ruin all the fun. can still fuck, but it is anoying and painful.
A few weeks ago I was having sex with a WG in Pattaya - it was a short time bar on soi 3. The condom broke right before I came inside her. I didn't know it broke until I pulled out. We both shit ourselves - she's an old acquaintance actually. We talked about it and she had had a test 2 months before, same as me. She was actually quite scared. A few weeks later I came down with a high fever which I understand is one of the symptoms of contracting HIV so now I am very scared. Have to wait another 2 months to take the test. Meanwhile I'll keep tabs on her and make sure she's okay just to put my mind at ease.
I've had 2 HIV tests - both negative but both were absolute mindfucks. After this I'm getting the hell out of this country. Even if I use a condom there is still some risk. In my opinion not worth it for a few minutes of pleasure. I just hope that I'm okay.
Member #4351
02-02-10, 15:17
Mangofan,
Is your post serious or is it a joke?
Mangofan,
Is your post serious or is it a joke?
Quite serious, I'm afraid. Perhaps I'm just being paranoid but this kind of stuff scares the shit out of me.
Member #4351
02-02-10, 15:21
You´re just being paranoid. Relax.
Member #2041
02-02-10, 16:30
Yes Mangofan, you are being paranoid. Even if she WAS HIV+, your odds of picking it up from one sexual encounter with a broken condom is less than 1 in 1000. With her not knowing - and being scared - that establishes that she's not to her knowledge HIV positive, that pushes your odds to less than 1 in 10,000.
Crossing Sukhumvit Road is riskier.
Get a life Dex, you have a one in a squillion chance of getting HIV in the circumstances you describe.
A rash in the groin in the tropics is more than likely caused by sweat and is easily fixed with Daktarin/cortisone ointment.
Here's the HIV skinny in words of one syllable.
For a man to get HIV, infected fluids from the sex partner have to enter his blood stream.
Usually but not exclusively, this happens in anal sex because the rectum is prone to tearing and infected fluid enters these little fissures or tears.
Theoretically this could happen in a heterosexual encounter if an infected woman, having used a sex toy on herself, then stuck it up your butt (a finger will do fine too).
To get HIV from fucking or wanking or whatever you need:
(1) an HIV positive sex partner
(2) an open wound, cut or lesion on your dick or groin area
If you have bleeding gums or acute mouth ulcers, the docs will say it is theoretically possible to get infected from DATY with an infected partner.
Far more common in LOS are virulent strains of gonorrhea that bollix the doctors when you go home. These strains need special intravenous antibiotics that in some countries are only available with special permission from the health authorities.
And be warned, you can get GO from a BBBJ. I am not repeating rumours or saying this happened to a friend of a friend.
It happened to me, and the symptoms appeared while I was a few days in Germany.
It was an absolute nightmare and I was treated like a leper. I thought they were going to demand I carried a handbell and walk around chanting "unclean, unclean"
I was shunted from hospital to hospital to clinic to surgery and after almost two weeks got treatment at a hospice for terminal gay AIDS patients.
Actually your claim about acquiring HIV are not correct. While it is true that if the virus gets into your blood stream, you have a high chance of being infected, this is not the only avenue. For instance, Langerhans cells in the foreskin and in the vagina act as an avenue for HIV-1 infection. Infection with HIV occurs by the transfer of blood, semen, vaginal fluid, pre-ejaculate, or breast milk (although I believe that the latter is only really an issue for newborn children). In vaginal sex, the HIV virus in the semen or vaginal fluid can gain access to a number of different kinds of cells through their interaction with the cell membrane in a complex way.
The good news is that, at least in western countries, the chances of being infected through unprotected sex is estimated as 0.04 for males having sex with females in a western wealthy country. It is generally accepted that already having another STI will greatly increase your chances of being infected with HIV if your partner already has it because your defenses are down and the virus can take advantage of that.
Member #3428
02-02-10, 18:26
Quite serious, I'm afraid. Perhaps I'm just being paranoid but this kind of stuff scares the shit out of me.
I think you should sit back, wait 6 weeks (MOST tests will be positive or negative after 6 weeks with some cases needing a full 6 months to show positive if you have it) and relax in all honesty.
I've gone a couple of years, being tested every month, going BB on some girls and having a decent amount of equipment damage. While having the girls tested does not guarantee anything, nothing in life is a guarantee.
Recently like the other posters I came down with my fourth case in my life of burning while urination, pissing all over the place, but joy oh joy I added pissing blood (luckily when I boarded TG for my flight out of Thai). Got tested in Manila at TWO clinics right away, tests not conclusive as to what I had if anything (given the qty of sex I had they said I could have torn the inner wall also) but I went on some med's and all is fine.
From a last second broken condom with a girl who get's tested and sounds like she is worried about such things compared to what others are doing you seem very safe. So take 6 weeks of relax, get a test then toast one back to your joy. Follow up 4 months after that also just to be sure sure sure.
Mr Pandesal
07-13-10, 02:35
Dear gents,
Ok. Am too freaked out right now to be coherent, but let's just say here's
Another broken condom story.
I was on business in Liberia, west Africa and had a condom break while doing a local hooker. We started out with her on top for a couple minutes, then switched to mish. Immediately I felt something wasn't right and pulled out, and sure enough it wuz broke.
From frantic googling, here's what I've gathered.
The official window before conclusive results is three months,
But it takes most people 3 to 4 weeks to produce the antibodies that can be detected.
I arrive in BKK in a week. W/c will be about 3 to 4 weeks from my accident.
Can someone please please point me to a Hi-tech lab where I can get advanced HIV tests in BKK, and get results without having to wait days?
By advanced, I'm hoping for more than just the generic ELISA test.
I know I'll probably need to kep testing up to 6 months. And this will definitely change my entire LOS trip by so many freakin degrees.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Geneva Guy
07-13-10, 12:35
Dear gents,
Ok. Am too freaked out right now to be coherent, but let's just say here's
Another broken condom story.
I was on business in Liberia, west Africa and had a condom break while doing a local hooker. We started out with her on top for a couple minutes, then switched to mish. Immediately I felt something wasn't right and pulled out, and sure enough it wuz broke.
From frantic googling, here's what I've gathered.
The official window before conclusive results is three months,
But it takes most people 3 to 4 weeks to produce the antibodies that can be detected.
I arrive in BKK in a week. W/c will be about 3 to 4 weeks from my accident.
Can someone please please point me to a Hi-tech lab where I can get advanced HIV tests in BKK, and get results without having to wait days?
By advanced, I'm hoping for more than just the generic ELISA test.
I know I'll probably need to kep testing up to 6 months. And this will definitely change my entire LOS trip by so many freakin degrees.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.Get yourself to a hospital, clinic, emergency room, etc. ASAP and get post-exposure prophylaxis (PEP) with drugs for HIV. If you were exposed, this can reduce your risk of permanent infection to ALMOST zero. (but not ZERO). The transmission rate of HIV is low, but is present with one episode of unprotected sex like you are reporting. But PEP can greatly reduce that further. Don't delay and don't be "proud", just get those drugs ASAP
GG
LittleBigMan
07-14-10, 04:52
I think you should sit back, wait 6 weeks (MOST tests will be positive or negative after 6 weeks with some cases needing a full 6 months to show positive if you have it) and relax in all honesty.
I've gone a couple of years, being tested every month, going BB on some girls and having a decent amount of equipment damage. While having the girls tested does not guarantee anything, nothing in life is a guarantee.
Recently like the other posters I came down with my fourth case in my life of burning while urination, pissing all over the place, but joy oh joy I added pissing blood (luckily when I boarded TG for my flight out of Thai). Got tested in Manila at TWO clinics right away, tests not conclusive as to what I had if anything (given the qty of sex I had they said I could have torn the inner wall also) but I went on some med's and all is fine.
From a last second broken condom with a girl who get's tested and sounds like she is worried about such things compared to what others are doing you seem very safe. So take 6 weeks of relax, get a test then toast one back to your joy. Follow up 4 months after that also just to be sure sure sure.
Not too many people have this kind of problem with their membrane? Is this who I think it is? Heh Heh Doctor?
LBM
Not too many people have this kind of problem with their membrane? Is this who I think it is? Heh Heh Doctor?
LBM
Yeah... looks like Jackson has let him out of his cage ...
Regards to you both,
Daddy
I went to talk to a doctor about it and he said I probably just caught some bacteria (from oral sex) that caused a urinary tract infection and my immune system fought it off.
So that's my story, I thought I would share it.
I got the same thing (urinary tract infection) back in 2005. My right testicle bloated to abnormal size, and I was shooting semen with traces of blood. Doctor put me on medication and I had to soak my balls in hot water twice everyday. This came from having BB sex with my part-time lover (a WG) when she was having her period. It's messy and bloody, but boy, did she love it. I guess the inner linings of her vagina is extremely sensitive during the menstruation period... I can be wrong at this...
Continued to have sex with her, even during her menstruation, but learnt to do it with a condom...hahaha
Hoeman
LittleBigMan
07-14-10, 13:52
yeah... looks like jackson has let him out of his cage ...
regards to you both,
daddy
i heard the new name is pimpdaddy07?
imho,
when it comes to a urinary tract infection, in the beginning you just know something isn't right when you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), then as days goes by the feeling gets intense, then the opening becomes red and larger and even black spots start to appear. meantime each time you need to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) because of the pain you rather just hold it but when you can't you end up just peeing all over the place and yourself until you figure out the best way is to just sit. when you look at your bestfriend condition each day it seems he is saying to you " wtf do something ". even when you get on the medication it worsen until it gets better, meantime you are praying to god, that if it goes away soon and nothing serious i change my ways and be a good boy.
then about 10 days or so on the medication things start to turn and redness starts to go away and the opening starts to close, pissing is not as intense and you start to forget the promise you made to god! in all this drama during and after i still can't see how the fuck some guys continue to fuck through all the pain and problems when they are having a tract infection without missing a step?
lbm
You mean you guys haven't figured out who 3428 is?
the writing style is un mistakable. It can only be.........
You mean you guys haven't figured out who 3428 is?
the writing style is un mistakable. It can only be.........
Un-mistakable is right, but I recognized him immediately by only his member number: 3428 ...
That's his hat size ... :)
LittleBigMan
07-15-10, 04:20
Un-mistakable is right, but I recognized him immediately by only his member number: 3428 ...
That's his hat size ... :)
You sure that is his hat size... if so ... then it just couldn't be him? I need some help here?
LBM
You sure that is his hat size... if so ... then it just couldn't be him? I need some help here?
LBM
... maybe it was his dick size ... I forget now ...
LittleBigMan
07-15-10, 07:07
... maybe it was his dick size ... I forget now ...
How can you forget something like that... 3428? That's like watching a ship go by your Condo Balconey and not seeing it?
LBM
I could give you a hint by writing just 1 word, and all would be revealed, but maybe he wants to remain anonymous?
I could give you a hint by writing just 1 word, and all would be revealed, but maybe he wants to remain anonymous?
That's not rocket science. One just have to check Member #3428's post history to find out what was his previous moniker.
LittleBigMan
07-15-10, 10:44
Humm, don't see it, don't get it? Maybe I do need that one letter or one word?
LBM
Humm, don't see it, don't get it? Maybe I do need that one letter or one word?
LBM
Clue attached. ;)
Clue attached. ;)
Yep ... the rabbit is back ...
LittleBigMan
07-15-10, 12:34
Clue attached. ;)
Nice picture of rabbit, I want to kill and eat it what does a rabbit have to do with this topic? heh heh
LBM
I'll share my sort-of-funny story on this thread, and cross-post it on the reports thread (hope this is not forbidden).
On my very first time with a prostitute, I had condoms break on me THREE times in a row in the span of a few minutes. This was after years of 100% constant condom use (with girlfriends) with no breaking whatsoever. It happened in Nana a few months ago.
How did this happen? Well, in China, where I live, I always buy an orange box of Durex. They are called Durex Together here, they are extra lubricated and of normal thickness.
In Thailand I naturally reached for the exact same box, exact same packaging, also by Durex.
Only after having broken condoms 3 times did I read the fine print. It turns out the orange Durex condoms in Thailand are NOT extra lubricated, AND they are of the extra thin variety (and possibly calibrated smaller too, I'm not sure).
Why Durex packages condoms at opposite ends of the spectrum under the exact same packaging is anyone's guess.
For subsequent sessions, I bought normal condoms and brought my own lubricant and had no further problems.
The lesson: always read the fine print, gentlemen. Always read the fine print.
So I'm hooking up with this girl who has HPV (she is not a hooker). I'm not really happy about the idea of getting it myself, even though it's pretty benign for guys.
Anyone knows the chances of getting it, if fucking a woman regularly?
I could (and did) google it but I wanted the opinions of the experienced folks over here.
Lover Boy #2
09-12-10, 03:41
So I'm hooking up with this girl who has HPV (she is not a hooker). I'm not really happy about the idea of getting it myself, even though it's pretty benign for guys.
Anyone knows the chances of getting it, if fucking a woman regularly?
I could (and did) google it but I wanted the opinions of the experienced folks over here.
HPV is a risk factor for throat cancer.....not benign.
HPV is a risk factor for throat cancer.....not benign.
Only certain strains, which are rare, are risk for cancer when it comes to hpv.
Had a horrible incident this past weekend in Samui -- had unprotected sex with a woman I barfined from a go-go. How it happened is a bit complicated -- I was drunk and having a little trouble getting completely aroused and she removed the condom and quickly slipped me in. We had sex for a couple minutes and then I realized what had happened. It was a horrible mistake and I'm of course super paranoid now. She claims it was the first time she had unprotected sex but I don't know if that's true and it doesn't mean she's necessarily clean.
Does anyone know what the general testing is for workers in go-go bars? And any advice on what to do next other than freak out?!
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