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Does anyone know what the general testing is for workers in go-go bars? And any advice on what to do next other than freak out?!
Sorry to hear it DG. Not sure what the practise is in Samui, nor at that particular gogo bar, but in many places in Pattaya girls are required to be tested monthly for the major STDs, and apparently they have a full work-up every six months. This means you are more likely to catch the nagging annoying STDs (e.g., warts, herpes, etc. tested for every six months) than the ones that kill you (e.g., HIV, tested for every month). All this was according to two different Pattaya gogo girls in June, one from Baccara, the other from Super Girl. But this is what happens in the top end gogo bars in Pattaya, not sure about your situation.
I will leave the medical advise to the medics on this board.
but in many places in Pattaya girls are required to be tested monthly for the major STDs, and apparently they have a full work-up every six months...... All this was according to two different Pattaya gogo girls in June, one from Baccara, the other from Super Girl.
I've heard some bars test and many don't. Some test prior to employment, and other test periodically. But all the info on testing in the gogo bars is shady at best. If anyone knows what the true practice/policy is regarding testing in gogos please share. I've always been interested in this.
On another note, the massage parlors(soapies) in bkk do require testing. This is one of the reasons that most Thais tend to only patronize massage parlors.
A girl from Tilac in BKK insisted that she has to get tested once a month and bring the health slip back to mgmt at the bar.. Who knows if she's telling the truth.
Does anyone know what the general testing is for workers in go-go bars? And any advice on what to do next other than freak out?!
As already pointed out, tests may be done but they might not be reliable. Only having yourself checked is reliable (after one to two weeks for most STDs, two weeks for HIV with a PCR-test, otherwise three months). Of course it is also possible to take prophylactic measures, ie. antibiotics for common STDs (eg. 1g azithromycin). As far as HIV is concerned there's also something called post-exposure prophylaxis (within 72hrs) but given your case my guess is that no doctor would consider the risk of infection high enough.
I guess many of us have been through similar periods of anxiety, and I wish you mental strength and good luck.
does anyone know what the general testing is for workers in go-go bars? and any advice on what to do next other than freak out?!
well, the first thing to do is not freak out. i have been in the medical field 20+ years and deal with this all the time. you situation is not unique, nor is your response. do not worry about the girl, worry about yourself, i.e.:
first of all, do you have any symptoms? burning when you [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111)? pus like discharge in your shorts when you wake up in the morning? is there a mucas plug on the end of your dick your [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) has break through for your first [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in the morning? how about any weird sores (chancres) on your penis? any fever? what about pain in the testicles, or back or flank pain? if the answer to these questions are no and it has been 10-14 days, then you are most likely good, but not out of the woods.
see your primary care provider 90 days after your encounter with the bar girl and have a full std check along with hiv and syphilis. be specific that you want this testing done. unless she was an intravenous drug user or had a bi-sexual boyfriend you can get cleared of everything else.
when you go to your provider, tell them the truth. "i had unprotected sex with a sex provider and even though i have no symptoms i am still concerned about my health". this will leave no ambiguity and all your questions will be answered.
Had a horrible incident this past weekend in Samui -- had unprotected sex with a woman I barfined from a go-go. How it happened is a bit complicated -- I was drunk and having a little trouble getting completely aroused and she removed the condom and quickly slipped me in. We had sex for a couple minutes and then I realized what had happened. It was a horrible mistake and I'm of course super paranoid now. She claims it was the first time she had unprotected sex but I don't know if that's true and it doesn't mean she's necessarily clean.
Does anyone know what the general testing is for workers in go-go bars? And any advice on what to do next other than freak out?!Well firstly, I have been stupid a few times myself, and I recently got a full screening done in Europe and was clear. It was painful waiting 10 days for the results however. Carmex has given you good advice, best to follow it.
As for whether the girls get checked, it is really up to the Bar and the Girl. The bar I use most, Rawhide on Soi Cowboy checks the girls every week for most stuff and once a month for HIV. It is usually done Saturday morning, and the girls carry little books which they will show you if you ask. Rawhide (and Long Gun) are owned by a Thai lady though, who seems to look after the girls well. Midnite Bar checks them Monthly/Three monthly for HIV. Others I have no clue. You can ask, but whether you trust the answer is up to you. A lot of people do ask, in fact a few girls have said to me "falang often ask that. "
A lot of the freelancers are terrified of being HIV positive and hence don't get checked as it will end their career, even though low cost treatment is apparently now available in LOS. Most girls in BKK are very good at using condoms however, and I am most of the time as well. One thing I have found a couple of times though is after you have been with the same girl a few times, and you are like "friends" (LOL), she stops using condoms. Watch out for that. I once remember lazily asking a old friend from Midnite Bar for a BJ one morning and next thing I knew she was bouncing up and down on me bareback.
Good luck! I hope it is good news.
PS I have a friend who works in Samui. She had only one customer in August. (well apart from me, but she came to BKK to see me).
Der Tourist
10-20-10, 01:15
I happened to have an accident once with a girl from Rainbow 4. It was literally an accieent (it just slipped off somehow... and I wasn't drunk or anything) and later it didn't give me peace of mind and I was too afraid to go do a check since during my first check even when I was almost 100% sure I didn't have a chance of contracting anything I nearly died of a stress waiting for the same-day result.
Mind you the unprotected accident happened for only a minute or so.
Does anyone know if girls at Rainbow 4 get checked regularly or if they get checked at all? This is some freaky stuff once you start thinking (and reading) about HIV.
Correct some bars requires testing, but its very easy to cheat as they dont have to show any id if they go to the std clinic in soi11. So the infected girls just ask a friend to take the test in their name.
I've heard some bars test and many don't. Some test prior to employment, and other test periodically. But all the info on testing in the gogo bars is shady at best. If anyone knows what the true practice/policy is regarding testing in gogos please share. I've always been interested in this.
On another note, the massage parlors(soapies) in bkk do require testing. This is one of the reasons that most Thais tend to only patronize massage parlors.
Artfuldodger
10-28-10, 09:57
Had a horrible incident this past weekend in Samui -- had unprotected sex with a woman I barfined from a go-go. How it happened is a bit complicated -- I was drunk and having a little trouble getting completely aroused and she removed the condom and quickly slipped me in. We had sex for a couple minutes and then I realized what had happened. It was a horrible mistake and I'm of course super paranoid now. She claims it was the first time she had unprotected sex but I don't know if that's true and it doesn't mean she's necessarily clean.
Does anyone know what the general testing is for workers in go-go bars? And any advice on what to do next other than freak out?!Hey guys,
Newly arrived on the scene and just read about DG's situation. Now I don't want to be a shit stirrer, but having trawled this heaven sent activity for the past decade, I know a lot of these establishments DON'T do legit tests.
Every massage parlour will have their panel clinics which will provide standard HIV/STD tests. However, many of the clinics, in the pretext of saving a buck, will just approve the procedure without actually conducting a test. I'm not finger pointing at all of them, but some of them do this.
I've heard that story from a few gals so they leave to go to another. True story. So all you gentlemen out there, don't forget your hats. Fifteen minutes of sheer pleasure will render you a lifetime of regret.
Play safe!
i tore my frenulum about 6 weeks ago during oral sex - a girl from [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s used her teeth a bit too much and it tore. for those who don't know, the frenulum is the thin tissue that connects the bell end of your penis to the shaft. it's the most sensitive part. anyway, tt slowly healed but now there is a scar and every time i have sex the scar breaks because there is very little "stretch room" if you take my meaning.
i went to the doc yesterday. he referred me to a dermatologist. she looked at my frenulum and told me that the problem was with the scarring. when it's stretched, the scarring cracks and the healing process starts all over again. she gave me some special gentle soap to use - it's actually not a soap but a soap-free cleanser so the scar doesn't dry out. she also recommended i apply vaseline to the scar to make it more loose, and to also apply it when i start having sex again (which won't be for a while).
the dermatologist i saw couldn't tell me when it would heal completely, or if it would ever heal enough that i wouldn't have to apply vaseline every time i want to have sex. i'll try this treatment for a few weeks and then get a second opinion if no improvement can be seen.
any suggestions? i've posted this on several health message boards as well. i just get the feeling that the doc might be wrong because she's a dermatologist - there must be another way to fix this. i'm even considering looking into plastic surgery, because as of now, i'm very afraid of not having sex for a very very long time.
Asparaspes
11-02-10, 22:02
Doc A's Reply to Mangofan; use DERMOVATE ointment (or analogous STRONG corticosteroid cream)on Your scar 2x daily for 2-3 weeks. This will soften the connective tissue considerably.
PS: Dr's fees are charged in pussy-info.
Frankypanky
11-03-10, 02:45
i tore my frenulum about 6 weeks ago during oral sex - a girl from [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s used her teeth a bit too much and it tore. for those who don't know, the frenulum is the thin tissue that connects the bell end of your penis to the shaft. it's the most sensitive part. anyway, tt slowly healed but now there is a scar and every time i have sex the scar breaks because there is very little "stretch room" if you take my meaning.
i went to the doc yesterday. he referred me to a dermatologist. she looked at my frenulum and told me that the problem was with the scarring. when it's stretched, the scarring cracks and the healing process starts all over again. she gave me some special gentle soap to use - it's actually not a soap but a soap-free cleanser so the scar doesn't dry out. she also recommended i apply vaseline to the scar to make it more loose, and to also apply it when i start having sex again (which won't be for a while).
the dermatologist i saw couldn't tell me when it would heal completely, or if it would ever heal enough that i wouldn't have to apply vaseline every time i want to have sex. i'll try this treatment for a few weeks and then get a second opinion if no improvement can be seen.
any suggestions? i've posted this on several health message boards as well. i just get the feeling that the doc might be wrong because she's a dermatologist - there must be another way to fix this. i'm even considering looking into plastic surgery, because as of now, i'm very afraid of not having sex for a very very long time.
oi mate!
i had the same problem two years ago.
frenulum damaged. it was just a small wound, but it caused big problems. i don 't need to tell you that... ;)
but i was suggested a circumcision, with the frenulum totally removed...
i don;t regret that decision. my cock looks better... :d, and it is much cleaner also.
i hope this information helps a bit...
Oi mate!
I had the same problem two years ago.
Frenulum damaged. It was just a small wound, but it caused BIG problems. I don 't need to tell you that... ;)
But i was suggested a circumcision, with the frenulum totally removed...
I don;t regret that decision. My cock looks better... :D, and it is much cleaner also.
I hope this information helps a bit...
Thanks for the reply. Any idea how much a circumcision or a frenuplasty would cost in Bangkok? I have BUPA health insurance through my school, but I'm not sure if they would cover a procedure like that.
i tore my frenulum about 6 weeks ago during oral sex - a girl from [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s used her teeth a bit too much and it tore. for those who don't know, the frenulum is the thin tissue that connects the bell end of your penis to the shaft. it's the most sensitive part. anyway, tt slowly healed but now there is a scar and every time i have sex the scar breaks because there is very little "stretch room" if you take my meaning.
i went to the doc yesterday. he referred me to a dermatologist. she looked at my frenulum and told me that the problem was with the scarring. when it's stretched, the scarring cracks and the healing process starts all over again. she gave me some special gentle soap to use - it's actually not a soap but a soap-free cleanser so the scar doesn't dry out. she also recommended i apply vaseline to the scar to make it more loose, and to also apply it when i start having sex again (which won't be for a while).
the dermatologist i saw couldn't tell me when it would heal completely, or if it would ever heal enough that i wouldn't have to apply vaseline every time i want to have sex. i'll try this treatment for a few weeks and then get a second opinion if no improvement can be seen.
any suggestions? i've posted this on several health message boards as well. i just get the feeling that the doc might be wrong because she's a dermatologist - there must be another way to fix this. i'm even considering looking into plastic surgery, because as of now, i'm very afraid of not having sex for a very very long time.have you tried mederma or another scar reducer?
went to the hospital today to see a urologist about the scar. he recommended a frenuplasty, so an hour later i was on the operating table. the worst part of it was the actual injection which went straight into the base of my cock - hurts like hell. but now i have a bandage around it (which comes off tomorrow). he said that i should be ready for action again in about 2-3 weeks.
total cost: 12,000 baht.
lesson learned: if you feel the girl biting down on your cock in [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), make her stop - no matter how close you are to cumming or how drunk you are.
Hey guys,
Newly arrived on the scene and just read about DG's situation. Now I don't want to be a shit stirrer, but having trawled this heaven sent activity for the past decade, I know a lot of these establishments DON'T do legit tests.
Every massage parlour will have their panel clinics which will provide standard HIV/STD tests. However, many of the clinics, in the pretext of saving a buck, will just approve the procedure without actually conducting a test. I'm not finger pointing at all of them, but some of them do this.
I've heard that story from a few gals so they leave to go to another. True story. So all you gentlemen out there, don't forget your hats. Fifteen minutes of sheer pleasure will render you a lifetime of regret.
Play safe!
DG, no one talks about the chances of getting HIV from a woman who already has HIV. The plain fact is that it is easier for a woman to get HIV from a man than the other way around. Second, you don't automatically get HIV from an infected partner through having unprotected sex one time. According to one expert I spoke with a couple of years ago, the probability of HIV infection after one episode of unprotected sex with an infected woman is about 1 in 250 for the man. In contrast, the chances of infection through sharing needles is almost 100% if the needle is "hot."
THat said, lots of other factors will vastly increase the odds against you - such as if you already have another sexually transmitted infection or have some sort of sore or cut on your penis, been circumcised etc. It also depends on when the other person was infected - not immediately after infection but some time after being infected, the person will become much more infective than later.
The chances that the girl was infected is not high, simply because of the policies of establishments where girls work. I am not referring to the claims that bars or massage places test regularly - frankly speaking, it is so easy to fake negative tests in Thailand that these papers are not worth the paper they are written on. Instead, it is the fact that bars and massage parlors will fire anyone with any STD. The fact that they fire those with STDs makes it vastly less likely that you will encounter someone with HIV in that establishment.
What this boils down to is as follows: there are compelling reasons to use protection at all times when you are mongering but there is no reason to be unduly concerned about an accidental unprotected episode.
The chances that you were infected by one exposure is very small. These chances dramatically rise if you try unprotected sex with certain kinds of freelancers, ie those using drugs who don't care about themselves, those with multiple partners but don't really understand safe sex. Although with professional sex workers within establishments the chances of being infected through one accidental exposure are quite low (possibly lower than with the general public!), the reality is that repeated exposure will increase your chances of getting all sorts of STDs. And if you already have an STD (that you may not know yet about), you are much more likely to get HIV when you will inevitably become exposed to it after many many episodes of unprotected sex.
LittleBigMan
11-07-10, 05:55
Thanks for the reply. Any idea how much a circumcision or a frenuplasty would cost in Bangkok? I have BUPA health insurance through my school, but I'm not sure if they would cover a procedure like that.
BUPA Insurance is basically Blue Cross Insurance in the States, BUPA Insurance is the name in the UK. My assumption is that you have BUPA from Thailand thru the school you are teaching.
Personally, insurance here is much different than the States so I will say " you don't get what you think you got " Reading your policy I suggest would be a good idea. Insurance policy here comes in all different shape and sizes!
Your policy might not include " Outpatient " services and if the procedure is one then or course it isn't covered? But being Thailand even if it was a " Outpatient procedure " they would make it a " Overnight Procedure " for precaution and therefore make it cover? But I believe this procedure would fall within the " Exclusion " The insurance does not cover the admission resulting in the following.
1. Investigation or treatment for sexual dysfunction or sex change
4. Treatment to relieve symptoms commonly associated with ageing,
menopause or precaocious puberty.
You might be able to get it cover if you get the Doctor it is a necessary procedure. So it never hurts to ask?
Insurance in Thailand is a big rip-off, but if you have nothing it's still better to have something in my opinion. But companies like BUPA, AIA,(AIG) are American own companies and read the fine print and you will see it is loaded with provisions and exlusion never seen in the western world. In the States you have laws against such things but here it is the wild west to load the policies with what I call "grey areas "so they don't have to cover much. If you have a BUPA policy look at one of their exclusions wording for back problems, Exclusion (G) Degeneration of Disc, this would fall into a big grey area which no coverage is allow since 95% of us on retirement have this problem? The exclusion list goes on and on?
Good luck and God help us all, but why would he since we are here breaking nearly all the Ten Commandments!
LBM
BUPA Insurance is basically Blue Cross Insurance in the States, BUPA Insurance is the name in the UK. My assumption is that you have BUPA from Thailand thru the school you are teaching.
Personally, insurance here is much different than the States so I will say " you don't get what you think you got " Reading your policy I suggest would be a good idea. Insurance policy here comes in all different shape and sizes!
Your policy might not include " Outpatient " services and if the procedure is one then or course it isn't covered? But being Thailand even if it was a " Outpatient procedure " they would make it a " Overnight Procedure " for precaution and therefore make it cover? But I believe this procedure would fall within the " Exclusion " The insurance does not cover the admission resulting in the following.
1. Investigation or treatment for sexual dysfunction or sex change
4. Treatment to relieve symptoms commonly associated with ageing,
menopause or precaocious puberty.
You might be able to get it cover if you get the Doctor it is a necessary procedure. So it never hurts to ask?
Insurance in Thailand is a big rip-off, but if you have nothing it's still better to have something in my opinion. But companies like BUPA, AIA,(AIG) are American own companies and read the fine print and you will see it is loaded with provisions and exlusion never seen in the western world. In the States you have laws against such things but here it is the wild west to load the policies with what I call "grey areas "so they don't have to cover much. If you have a BUPA policy look at one of their exclusions wording for back problems, Exclusion (G) Degeneration of Disc, this would fall into a big grey area which no coverage is allow since 95% of us on retirement have this problem? The exclusion list goes on and on?
Good luck and God help us all, but why would he since we are here breaking nearly all the Ten Commandments!
LBM
Thanks for your reply. I have BUPA through my school and on the card it says what it covers. One of thie things it covers is "Surgery: 70,000 (Per Schedule)". Now when I went to the Urologist I asked the receptionist there if my insurance would cover the frenuplasty. I showed her my BUPA card and she said that it would cover it. I asked the doctor the same question, showing him my card. He guaranteed me that it would. "Are you sure?" I asked. "Yes. Absolutely." Before the procedure I went out to reception again and the lady wrote down the amount: 10,000 baht. I asked again - is this covered by my insurance? Yes, of course.
After the procedure, a nurse walked me over to the cashier where I was to receive my meds. The cashier wrote down a number: 12,892 baht. I presented my BUPA card. "Sorry sir, it's not covered." I told her that I asked 3 times upstairs and they had told me that it was covered. Even the doctor said so. "Sorry sir, it's not covered." I explained again.
"You must pay now, and maybe you can get it back later when you call your insurance company."
"Well, I don't have any money, so I'm not paying."
At this point she calls someone to come down and talk to me. Some PR person from the international section of the hospital who tried to get me to pay. She informed me that they couldn't get ahold of BUPA, but would I mind paying now and this could be resolved later?
"I don't have any money to pay"
"What about your credit cards?"
"I don't have any credit cards."
When she finally realized that I wasn't about to pay my bill, she asked for my telephone number (which I gave) and said she would call me in a few days when they could get my insurance company on the phone. This was yesterday.
I'm not trying to skip out on the bill, but when I am guaranteed that the insurance company will cover a procedure by 2 different people (including a doctor) and then suddenly I am fucked when I try to check out, I'm not about to bend over and take it up the ass.
As already pointed out, tests may be done but they might not be reliable. Only having yourself checked is reliable (after one to two weeks for most STDs, two weeks for HIV with a PCR-test, otherwise three months). Of course it is also possible to take prophylactic measures, ie. Antibiotics for common STDs (eg. 1g azithromycin). As far as HIV is concerned there's also something called post-exposure prophylaxis (within 72hrs) but given your case my guess is that no doctor would consider the risk of infection high enough.This is a serious psycological problem. You think you're going to die and the doctor doesn't consider your risk high enough.
An accident happened to me with a prostitute form Ghana (condom broke inside her pussy we both didn't realize). While I was trying to calm down I realised next morning while showering that I had a kind of scratch an my penis.
Went to the doctor and exaggerated the accident in order to get this post-exposure prophylaxe for sure. He gave me the anticipated prescription and helped my through the next weeks with all the testing. Everything went fine.
Total damage: 2100 EUR (100 for the girl, 1500 for the PEP pills, 500 for all the tests and doctor's fees, I decided better not to ask my insurance company if they cover since I didn't want to be stated as a risk person in their files). Quite expensive for a few minutes of pleasure.
LittleBigMan
11-07-10, 15:28
Mangofan,
Where you went wrong is like most people including me! Until you get fucked you just assume? When you said it is on your card " Surgery " yes it covers Surgery but the large coverage book your school didn't give you or you didn't read it? is my reference to the fine print! But if the fine print says the condition or procedure isn't covered then surely the surgery for it isn't going to be covered.
Your story I have heard a millions times by these so call hospitals personel!
" Can't get a hold of Buppa " that is why never just assume because the hospital tells you! Get the approval yourself by going to a Bupa office!
As for the hospital, I wouldn't give them anything that they can get their hands on to attach your wages etc... I would stand pad and stick to my guns and name all the individuals that told you yes along with blaming the individuals responsible for handling the billing who should have gotten the approval from Buppa prior to surgery! In your case, they lied! What is it can't get a hold of them or is it not covered? If they couldn't get a hold of them how would they know it wasn't covered? There is no such thing as can't get the approval! If they went ahead with the surgery prior to the approval that is their fucking problem. Let them come after you! when you are backed into the corner then pay up! If what you said is true you hold the cards now!
I have seen them do this before at the Bangkok/Pattaya promise you because they know but pull this type of shit knowing that a majority of people would pay up front and after it's your problem not theirs. They aren't the ones that got to deal with Buppa. Here get it in writing next time! There is also a hospital accreditation commission in Thailand which I would tell them you will file a report! only with them quoting you 10,000 with insurance then without for you Farang it is now 12,000 plus!
Stick to your guns and let this be a lesson to them. Even if they made a police report WTF are they going to do? Tell the police politely this is the hospital problem and yours they made the mistake no once but three times.
Be calm and use knowledge on them reverse the table.
Good luck, you should have not have dick around with your dick?
LBM
I say fuck them
Mangofan,
If they couldn't get a hold of them how would they know it wasn't covered?
Exactly. I think they tried to get ahold of Bupa, couldn't, so they just said it wasn't covered hoping I'd pay up. I have the money, but fuck them - they told me it was covered. I'm not paying them the full amount. They don't have my passport or anything - all they have is a copy of my BUPA card, which does list my workplace. I do have an appointment on Saturday for the doctor to remove the sutures, so I have to go back. No phone call from them today but they'll probably try and call tomorrow.
LittleBigMan
11-08-10, 03:38
Mangofan,
If the school gets involved just respond politely that this is a situation between me and the hospital. If I was you I would go to another hospital since you are going to have to pay for the removal anyway. Just tell them you have a problem with the hospital that did the procedure and heard that your hospital was good. Short and sweet!
Contact Bupa, not over the phone and ask them yourself if the procedure is covered, if so you are off the hook! If not ask them if they would have cover based on the coverage what your deductible would have been. Go back to the hospital and pay them this amount if they accept that is payment accepted! Personally I do not believe they try to contact them! The policy is clear and not on your card! This I would consider to be a cosmetic type surgery! Don't allow being in Thailand escape the fact that in nearly all Western countries insurance requires hospitals to have pre-approval of a procedure unless this is a emergency! Based on the amount of the procedure they lied knowing most would pay up because of the amount. If it was like 100,000 baht I bet you the procedure would never have been preform until they had approval. This is the hospital mistake!
If not tell them jokingly if they want to be paid, reverse the operation! return the goods since they lied!
Good luck, LBM
Lover Boy #2
11-09-10, 10:35
THat said, lots of other factors will vastly increase the odds against you - such as if you already have another sexually transmitted infection or have some sort of sore or cut on your penis, been circumcised etc. It also depends on when the other person was infected - not immediately after infection but some time after being infected, the person will become much more infective than later.
...."been circumcised".......it's the other way around......the claim is that circumcision lessens the chances of HIV infection....not the other way around.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm
...."been circumcised".......it's the other way around......the claim is that circumcision lessens the chances of HIV infection....not the other way around.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm
Of course you are right.
Franco Cozzo
11-12-10, 13:05
Ying yang, I am interested in finding out what you can tell me about azithromycin as a prophylactic against gonorrhea (and chlamydia). I am planning on using a condom for all 'real sex,' but BJs are just not worth it with a condom IMHO.
What are the doses and regime you use? Where did you get the info? How much does it cost?
Frankypanky
11-13-10, 20:00
went to the hospital today to see a urologist about the scar. he recommended a frenuplasty, so an hour later i was on the operating table. the worst part of it was the actual injection which went straight into the base of my cock - hurts like hell. but now i have a bandage around it (which comes off tomorrow). he said that i should be ready for action again in about 2-3 weeks.
total cost: 12,000 baht.
lesson learned: if you feel the girl biting down on your cock in [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), make her stop - no matter how close you are to cumming or how drunk you are.
oi mate!
nice to know that the shit is done!
12000 baht? that's aprox. 240 euro! i thought it would be much cheaper. mine costed 300 euro (in holland).
ah well...so you are 'saving' for a big blast now... :d
all the best to you!
Dear Mongers,
Does any body has reliable information on massage parlors which set up their own STDs check on a regular basis? Annie's and Eden claim to do so. I've never been to Eden but for Annie's it seems to makes sense to me since the providers I know there behave like they have been well informeded on STDs and safe sex. Annie's is also one of the few licenced parlors.
What about the other places like Mango, Tulip, Snow white? Are the girls only required to show a test result once a year or is it a little more serious than that?
Are soapies, generally speaking, safer? Do they check? Do the services are more on the safer sex side (CBJ, never bareback.)?
Any piece of Info much appreciated!
Best,
K.
Ying yang, I am interested in finding out what you can tell me about azithromycin as a prophylactic against gonorrhea (and chlamydia). I am planning on using a condom for all 'real sex,' but BJs are just not worth it with a condom IMHO.
What are the doses and regime you use? Where did you get the info? How much does it cost?
I certainly wouldn't recommend using any antibiotics merely for prophylaxis. They have side effects and taking them without proper diagnosis may increase the chances of creating drug resistant bacteria strains. That being said, azithromycin is known to be very effective againt chlamydia (and, to some extent, gonorrhea) and can be taken in a single dose of 1g, which makes it practical to take it after some risky practices (such as BBBJ) if you feel worried. The drug is available over the counter in Thailand for around 500 Baht.
Slackerslacker
11-17-10, 03:37
Anyone can recommend a good condom, ie., one that allows you to actually feel you are having sex? Needs to be larger than average as the ones I've tried squeeze so hard my dick goes numb.
I searched the forum with words like best/condom/sensitive but way to many reports come back that happen to have those key words but not about the subject.
I looked through the safe sex forum for 2010 but didn't find anything so I am doing a direct request.
I did find a 2009 report in the "General Reports" that recommended a couple but would like to get anyone else's suggestion.
Thanks in advance.
Anyone can recommend a good condom, ie., one that allows you to actually feel you are having sex? Needs to be larger than average as the ones I've tried squeeze so hard my dick goes numb.
I searched the forum with words like best/condom/sensitive but way to many reports come back that happen to have those key words but not about the subject.
I looked through the safe sex forum for 2010 but didn't find anything so I am doing a direct request.
I did find a 2009 report in the "General Reports" that recommended a couple but would like to get anyone else's suggestion.
Thanks in advance.
Hey Slackerslacker,
Try Pleasure Plus. Its maker is the Global Protection Corporation of Boston. Good quality without the rubber odor.
Cheers
A158
Slackerslacker
11-18-10, 09:30
Hey Slackerslacker,
Try Pleasure Plus. Its maker is the Global Protection Corporation of Boston. Good quality without the rubber odor.
Cheers
A158
Thanks for info. Do you know if it can be found in Thailand?
If not, I will check it out next time I am in USA
Sagami 0. 02 millimeter super strong super thin. Every girl I used it with keeps checking if I was still wearing a condom. You really can't tell the difference. It has great heat transfer too. I buy mine through japan mail order. GET IT you will never use anything else even Bareback again.
Hey Slackerslacker,
Try Pleasure Plus. Its maker is the Global Protection Corporation of Boston. Good quality without the rubber odor.
Cheers
A158
Sexual Healing
12-14-10, 18:23
Hi Folks,
This is a very interesting thread and I think I will learn more about safe mongering in Thailand.
I always use condom both for pussy and ass fucking, better with some lube to ease friction, so I consider myself quite careful.
On the other hand, I like to get BBBJ and I am eager to experience it with a see. I. M. Or see. O. F. Ending, which I am not used to do in my country since it costs twice.
So my question is: which chances are involved in see. I. M. If girl was infected?
Kumar Arun
12-15-10, 16:12
Sagami Original 002 is available in BKK? If yes where.
As always. Thanks for the help.
AK
John Dough
12-17-10, 05:55
these quotes are from the pattaya thread.
no problem. i have been using master mineral supplement for the past 2 years. knocks out all pathogens. also brush my teeth with it. taking the maintenance dose of 4-6 drops daily is highly protective against stds as well as being a general tonic. if required the dose can be increased until symptoms are gone. also cleans out dengue and malaria within hours. why isn't everyone using mms? because the globalist-controlled big pharma and media ignore it.
www.infowars.com
do your homework and live life to the full!
http://jimhumble.biz/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&itemid=21
thailand supplier.
http://miraclemineral.org/suppliers.php
stds are nothing. the real challenge is finding tight girls without babies or an attitude!
sorry to tell you this trev but "minerals" are totally ineffective against stds.
you might as well drop snake oil into / onto yourself. will work just as well.
i drink neat bleach for breakfast, and i have never had hiv / aids. can't be a coincidence.
alternatively you could believe the fda:
on july 30th. 2010 and again on october 1, 2010, the united states food and drug administration warned against the use of the product "miracle mineral supplement" or "mms". which when made up according to instructions produces chlorine dioxide. mms has been marketed as a treatment for a variety of conditions. the fda warning told consumers that this industrial bleach can cause serious complications, including severe dehydration, nausea and diarrhea. there have been no reported deaths from use of mms; however the fda has received numerous reports of nausea, severe vomiting, and life-threatening low blood pressure caused by dehydration. [22] the makers of mms do state that nausea and vomiting is a sign that it is working. licensed medical professionals and toxicologists would not agree with this statement.
but they laughed at galieo, didn't they? i tried mms twice. the first time i took 4 drops and was okay. the second time i took 8 drops and got severe nausea followed by one week of diarrhea. i guess i should have stuck with 4 drops like the first poster. perhaps there is a better alternative.
http://healthyoldcodger.com/
iodine, pathogen killer extraordinaire.
as far back as 1905 iodine was recognized as a treatment for consumption / tuberculosis. even though iodine has been recognized as having the ability to kill most pathogens on the skin within 90 seconds, it has been ignored by modern medicine for all that time, does not that tell you something? going even further back to the american civil war, iodine was used extensively for treating battlefield wounds and with much success, in fact, without iodine many more soldiers from both sides would have died from wound infections, no antibiotics back then.
"iodine is by far the best antibiotic, antiviral and antiseptic of all time." dr. david derry.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_iodine01.htm
nascent iodine is a scientific term for iodine where the iodine molecule has the diatomic bond broken and has a high amount of electromagnetic energy associated with it.
once diluted and inside the body this atom is readily absorbed and utilized by the body. this charged atom of iodine starts a process where it gradually loses its energy over 2 to 3 hours. after the atomic iodine has made its rounds, whatever then remains and is unable to be used is excreted in the [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). the [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) will turn bright yellow from the excess, similar to what happens with water-soluble b-vitamins that the body doesn't need.
"the atomic iodine is perhaps the least toxic and least irritating of all the iodine formulas available."
"iodine has many positive therapeutic actions. it is a potent anti-infective agent. no virus, bacteria or parasite has been shown to be resistant to iodine therapy," writes dr. brownstein.
this is an incredible statement but one that can easily be backed by hardcore medical science. it is the reason hospitals use iodine by the gallon and in reality the only reason hospitals are not like ground zero sites contaminated in an infectious sense is because of iodine's broad spectrum anti-infective power.
few are the doctors who have realized that iodine can be taken internally in large quantities and that it will have the same effect internally as it does on external surfaces.
there has been a lot of commotion in health circles about a product called miracle mineral supplement (mms). it is being advertised as the answer to aids, hepatitis a, b and c, malaria, herpes, tb, most cancer and many more of mankind's worst diseases.
the claim about how the chlorine (a poison, not what would be considered a mineral for health) interacts with pathogens is the same claim we can make about iodine (a safe nutritional mineral) , which is known to also kill pathogens of all types on contact.
Etaoin2003
12-18-10, 21:19
If you think for maybe 15-20 seconds you'll figure out that there is no such thing as a magic chemical that can tell the difference between a "pathogen" and your dick. Anything that kills a "pathogen" is inherently a poison. This includes antibiotics. The world is full of quacks eager to sell you a bottle of something that either won't work, might kill you, or both. We take small doses of these poisons under certain circumstances because it leads to better outcomes than not taking the poisons. Doing this without killing yourself requires actual science, not voodoo. That's why there are regulations, clinical trials and publication of research data. I do not imagine Big Pharma to be my friend, but don't be so eager to dismiss it and run to the pharmaceutical equivalent of a tuk-tuk driver.
NicFrenchy
12-19-10, 08:30
I do not imagine Big Pharma to be my friend, but don't be so eager to dismiss it and run to the pharmaceutical equivalent of a tuk-tuk driver.Very well said
Please be warned, I've seen consumer programs on television test the MMS and its basically just industrial cleaner.
It won't do you any good, it will do you harm if you take more then just a few drops.
The only way to be safe is to practice safe sex. Bring your condoms, I do!
If you think for maybe 15-20 seconds you'll figure out that there is no such thing as a magic chemical that can tell the difference between a "pathogen" and your dick. Anything that kills a "pathogen" is inherently a poison. This includes antibiotics. The world is full of quacks eager to sell you a bottle of something that either won't work, might kill you, or both. We take small doses of these poisons under certain circumstances because it leads to better outcomes than not taking the poisons. Doing this without killing yourself requires actual science, not voodoo. That's why there are regulations, clinical trials and publication of research data. I do not imagine Big Pharma to be my friend, but don't be so eager to dismiss it and run to the pharmaceutical equivalent of a tuk-tuk driver.
I would be most interested on some feedback on the above condom, couple of members have posted of their satisfaction when using Sagami 0. 02 condoms. In fact it felt like bareback to one chap. Sounds encouraging?
Prior to ordering, I would like to be sure.
I would be most interested on some feedback on the above condom, couple of members have posted of their satisfaction when using Sagami 0. 02 condoms. In fact it felt like bareback to one chap. Sounds encouraging?
Prior to ordering, I would like to be sure. I tried them and I also had the experience of the girl thinking I had nothing on. They also felt better than my normal Trojan Magnums in that regard. I have one complaint though. Even though I bought size large they were very tough to get on and too small in diameter. I mentioned this to a friend and he told me that Trojan also has an ultrathin that is larger. I do not know what the thickness is and have not tried them but would like to.
NicFrenchy
12-28-10, 16:32
I mentioned this to a friend and he told me that Trojan also has an ultrathin that is larger. I do not know what the thickness is and have not tried them but would like to.You cannot compare SAGAMI condoms with the rest, it; s not a Fair Fight!
Sagami are made of Polyurethane which is Flexible, Tough and Resistant. it is Thinner, Tougher (3x tougher than Latex), conducts heat Better, is odourless and oh very important in Thailand: Oil Resistant.
once you try one, Going back to Latex will be very difficult ;)
Cuba Tourist
01-28-11, 15:22
HIV Drugs May Prevent Infection in Healthy Individuals.
By Alice Park Tuesday, November 23, 2010
As effective as the antiviral drugs have been in controlling the spread of HIV, the ultimate goal of any AIDS therapy is to prevent infection with the virus in the first place. And so far, nothing — from vaccines to gels — has proven up to the task of holding off HIV.
But in an exciting study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, researchers report that the very drugs that have helped to quell HIV in already infected patients may be effective in blocking infection in healthy, uninfected individuals as well. (More on Time. Com: How Not to Get Sick)
In a trial involving nearly 2, 500 HIV-negative gay men who were at high risk of contracting HIV, in six countries, scientists found that those who took the currently prescribed treatment dose of a combination anti-HIV medications known as Truvada had a 44% lower rate of HIV infection than those taking a placebo during the study's longest follow up of nearly three years. Among those who took their medications more faithfully on a daily basis, the benefit was even greater; their risk of acquiring HIV dropped to 73% compared to placebo.
'These results represent a major advance in HIV prevention research, ' said Dr. Kevin Fenton, director of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) National Center for HIV-AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD and TB Prevention in a statement. 'For the first time, we have evidence that a daily pill used to treat HIV is partially effective for preventing HIV among gay and bisexual men at high risk for infection. '
The excitement was echoed by others in the HIV community, who have been pushing for a stronger preventive strategy to combat the growing epidemic of cases, particularly in the developing world. 'The study is really quite impressive, and the data are very robust, really strong, ' says Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institutes of Health's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. The NIH, along with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, funded the study, which took place at 11 different sites. (More on Time. Com: Are HIV Rates in Gay Men Really 'Out of Control'?)
Fauci is particularly encouraged by the data, since a closer look at the difference in HIV infection rates among those taking medications suggests that any exposure to the potent anti-HIV drugs can be effective in thwarting infection. For instance, among those in the drug arm, the volunteers who showed any measurable level of medication, no matter how faithfully they were popping their daily pills, had a 13-fold lower rate of HIV infection than those who showed no measurable level of drug in their system. 'This is really huge; this is a very impressive result, ' he says. 'As with any new treatment strategy, it's all about whether you adhere to the regimen. '
In fact, Fauci suspects that many physicians are already prescribing antiretroviral medications this way, in an attempt to head off infections in uninfected but high-risk individuals. These findings should bolster that practice, he believes, even as government health officials decide whether the results are robust enough to justify recommending anti-HIV drugs as a prevention strategy.
In the meantime, while the positive results suggest that antiretroviral drugs may be a critical part of a strong prevention program, experts note that the findings are not a license to abandon safe sex with condoms. The drugs do not alter the immune system in any way, nor does it prime the body the way that a vaccine would against HIV. These medications act only in the presence of HIV, to block its ability to infect and replicate in the body's healthy cells, so the prevention strategy simply ensures that the drugs are in place, ready to act at the first encounter with the virus. The study participants were also all educated about risk-reduction practices, such as safe sex, and were provided with condoms and counseling as well as treatment for sexually transmitted diseases. (More on Time. Com: Portugal's Drug Experience: New Study Confirms Decriminalization Was a Success)
'[The] results are exciting, but it is not time for anyone to stop using condoms or stop following proven prevention methods, ' said Fenton. '[The study] cannot be seen as the first line of defense against HIV. '
Fauci agrees, adding that more research will be needed to assess the effectiveness of the drugs in preventing infection among women, as well as heterosexual men. And because the drugs do have side effects, including potentially unhealthy changes in lipid levels, other studies will also investigate whether people could use the drugs intermittently as a prevention-based strategy — only, for example, when they plan on being sexually active.
Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2010/11/23/hiv-drugs-may-prevent-infection-in-healthy-individuals/#ixzz1CL7lo7Cs
All highly dubious in my opinion. What a laugh. So who benefits. Pharmaceutical Industry does.
Preventative medicines. Broad grin. The cash register goes. Sching!
Has anyone tried them on a BG see how much of laughter you can get out of them? But seriously, does anyone think they would object to it for DATY?
ILoveChicas
02-17-11, 09:47
Hey guys,
I'm posting here as I'm not sure where to post and it seems there are as many experienced guys in here as anywhere.
A side note: I have not been to Thailand so this question is general. Hopefully that doesn't offend anyone.
I recently noticed some irritation and went to the doc to see about what I thougth was just a UTI problem. After some testing it turned out I had gonorrhea and a touch of vaginosis of all things (not even considered an std by some). He gave me 7 days of the dioxycine (sp?) and symptoms disappeared. A follow up test came up totally clean on everything. I should mention that the list of stuff I don't have (negative tests) is long. No HIV, herpes, on and on.
Unfortunately, I had to go back to see him as I'm experiencing the beginning symptoms again. Zero partners so I know it's not a re-infection. This time he did the prostate / massage test and I'm expecting results this coming week. I can't imagine how it won't come back as re-infected.
My question is how worried should I be and has anyone had good luck with more serious anti-biotics and had %100 clean bill of health afterwards?
I'd greatly appreciater any feedback you can give. I'm trying not to freak out too much about it. Thanks for help or relaying any experiences.
Does anyone have experience with female condoms and find that they are much more.
Like having bareback sex than regular covers?
You cannot compare SAGAMI condoms with the rest, it; s not a Fair Fight!
Sagami are made of Polyurethane which is Flexible, Tough and Resistant. It is Thinner, Tougher (3x tougher than Latex) , conducts heat Better, is odourless and oh very important in Thailand: Oil Resistant.
Once you try one, Going back to Latex will be very difficult.Where do you buy these?
DG, no one talks about the chances of getting HIV from a woman who already has HIV. The plain fact is that it is easier for a woman to get HIV from a man than the other way around. Second, you don't automatically get HIV from an infected partner through having unprotected sex one time. According to one expert I spoke with a couple of years ago, the probability of HIV infection after one episode of unprotected sex with an infected woman is about 1 in 250 for the man. In contrast, the chances of infection through sharing needles is almost 100% if the needle is "hot."I could be wrong, but one in 250 seems quite low. I'd think maybe add a zero to that. And several zeros if we are speaking of unprotected vaginal intercourse with a random woman.
http://www.hiv.va.gov/vahiv?page=ptfaq-2006-03-20
I've heard it said there is a better chance of getting struck by lightning, winning a million dollar lotto or being killed crossing the street. BTW at least one member here appears to have been getting BBFS for years without contracting HIV. Personally I've recieved dozens and hours of BBBJ's without ever getting even a minor STD.
AIDS (to get this out of the way at the outset) : Indulging in sex in.
Thailand is like participating in a high-risk sport where you have no.
Control over your equipment. Sky-diving without knowing who packed your.
Chute, for example; or with no chute at all. The risk is real; there's.
More than a 50% chance your partner (s) will be HIV positive. If you are.
Particularly naive, you can take comfort from the "100% AIDS-Free" badges.
The girls wear in some places. It's your life.Fifty percent? That has to be one of the dumbest things ever said on international sex forums, this particular comment coming from a site that is not ISG.
"I suggest you do not arrive in SE Asia (Thailand / Philippines) seeking to have a good time and SEX with the ever willing mature adult girls, women, hookers, escorts of Thailand, without first having your Hepatitis B (and pref A) vaccinations. More Hep B and more fatal deaths than with HIV / Aids, world wide, including Thailand."
That's news to me. Any comments?
i posted this in the bangkok section but i might as well post it here:
went to cowboy a few nights back with a mate. shocking how crowded it was. 25th of the month is when most people get paid, so pretty much all the go-gos were crowded beyond belief. #73 in shark is quite a cutie and has made my list of girls to fuck in the low season. finally made our way to the cocktail club. it's a fairly small and shady dive between long gun and cactus. there are 1 or 2 lookers; the rest are all skanks. anyway i took a girl to the toilet where she proceed to give me a bbbj. one of the worst ever. she was using her teeth too much and i was afraid of having a repeat of what happened to me at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) a few months back (torn frenulum). i stopped her and offered her 700 baht for a fuck in the stall. bent her over and plunged in. not bad and a first for me.
i do not remember her name but i will be sure to get it and here is why. this morning (tuesday) i woke up and went to the toilet and had a very very slight burning sensation when i pissed. it did not hurt too bad unlike the last time i had this but it was still uncomfortable enough to get me worried. later in the day i went to the toilet again and noticed an ever so slight cloudy discharge. maybe i was imagining things. but as i write this now it still feels uncomfortable and definitely not normal. probably chlamydia. i didn't bother going to the doc. went straight to the pharmacy across from nana plaza (apparently they see this shit all the time). she gave me a box of azithromycin. told me to take 4 pills (1g) tonight and the other 2 tomorrow and it should clear up in a week. last time i had this infection i waited a few days before getting the meds and it burned like fire whenever i pissed. i did not want to wait this time.
in the meantime, i need to think of an excuse to tell my girlfriend why i can't have sex with her for a week. or do i need to wait a week? i'm only taking the dosage tonight and tomorrow. how soon can i have sex?
John Traveller
03-06-11, 15:20
I see some discussion on ultra thin condoms here. Such as Sagami 0. 02.
Where can I buy these in BKK? I see only the Durex brand in the shops and pharmacies. (Or maybe some of these are Ultrathin too?).
Member #3437
03-06-11, 15:37
you should also go on a cipro series because azthriomyzina doesn't kill gonerreah. and, you might as well go on a metro series as well because neither of these kill bacteria infections, which she probably had also if she is carrying around chylmidia. you need to lie like a futherfucker to your girl and not have sex with her for at least a week or what can happen is you infect her, and two weeks from now when her infection (s) and / or virus bloom, she will reinfect you.
you really should consider condoms for obvious reasons highlighted by this thread.
i posted this in the bangkok section but i might as well post it here:
went to cowboy a few nights back with a mate. shocking how crowded it was. 25th of the month is when most people get paid, so pretty much all the go-gos were crowded beyond belief. #73 in shark is quite a cutie and has made my list of girls to fuck in the low season. finally made our way to the cocktail club. it's a fairly small and shady dive between long gun and cactus. there are 1 or 2 lookers; the rest are all skanks. anyway i took a girl to the toilet where she proceed to give me a bbbj. one of the worst ever. she was using her teeth too much and i was afraid of having a repeat of what happened to me at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) a few months back (torn frenulum). i stopped her and offered her 700 baht for a fuck in the stall. bent her over and plunged in. not bad and a first for me.
i do not remember her name but i will be sure to get it and here is why. this morning (tuesday) i woke up and went to the toilet and had a very very slight burning sensation when i pissed. it did not hurt too bad unlike the last time i had this but it was still uncomfortable enough to get me worried. later in the day i went to the toilet again and noticed an ever so slight cloudy discharge. maybe i was imagining things. but as i write this now it still feels uncomfortable and definitely not normal. probably chlamydia. i didn't bother going to the doc. went straight to the pharmacy across from nana plaza (apparently they see this shit all the time). she gave me a box of azithromycin. told me to take 4 pills (1g) tonight and the other 2 tomorrow and it should clear up in a week. last time i had this infection i waited a few days before getting the meds and it burned like fire whenever i pissed. i did not want to wait this time.
in the meantime, i need to think of an excuse to tell my girlfriend why i can't have sex with her for a week. or do i need to wait a week? i'm only taking the dosage tonight and tomorrow. how soon can i have sex?
I see some discussion on ultra thin condoms here. Such as Sagami 0. 02.
Where can I buy these in BKK? I wish I knew.
I see only the Durex brand in the shops and pharmacies. (Or maybe some of these are Ultrathin too?).There were other brands, including Japanese, available when I was there in 09-10.
Try the pharmacies across from Nana Plaza, at the intersection of sukh & soi 3/4.
John Traveller
03-09-11, 09:43
I went to have a check up for hiv at a sti-clinic in Bangkok the other day at the Red Cross anonymous clinic. Some waiting before the test. 1 hour. (I don't know if it's shorter time at other clinics). Then it's 1 hour waiting to get the result. The testing here is anonymous, no need to give away any name or so. It is said that they take fingerprints, but I cannot remember they took that of me. Before the test you fill out a form and then go into a office to answer some questions: Q: when was the last time for sex? A: yesterday, but also one month ago. Q: Female worker? A: Yes.
Good staff. I can recommend this clinic. Address: corner of Ratchadamri and Salasin. Skytrain: Ratchadamri. Building on right side when you walk south from this skytrain station.
It's strange how you worry in these situations, feeling this and that symptoms here and there, then it turns out to be nothing.
Crocodilexp
03-10-11, 18:42
I went to have a check up for hiv at a sti-clinic in Bangkok the other day at the Red Cross anonymous clinic. Some waiting before the test. 1 hour. (I don't know if it's shorter time at other clinics). Then it's 1 hour waiting to get the result. The testing here is anonymous, no need to give away any name or so.
Thank you for the report, this is really useful. How much does it cost at Red Cross? Is it clean and do they seem professional (e. G. Unpacking a new sterile needle in front of you when drawing blood)?
The 1hr wait before is a bit longer than in most places. I can recommend Sukhumwit hospital near BTS Ekkamai with about a 10 min wait. Paolo hospital near BTS Saphan Kwai is OK, but nurses seem incompetent ("Chlamydia? What's that? Can you see a doctor first to figure out what STD test to take?").
Wait for results is 1-2h everywhere, but that's easier since can go somewhere for a walk and come back. You don't have to queue in a hospital revisiting your deepest fears.
The HIV tests are rather cheap. 500 baht or so, but it gets up to 900 if you also do VDRL (Syphilis and Gonorrhea) , and you should since you're there and drawing blood anyway. Hepatitis is a good to watch out for as well (I think they can do it with same blood sample. 1hr). Chlamydia blood test takes 7+ days, that's a annoying.
As for anonymity. For citizens of countries with crappy health insurance schemes (say, USA or Thailand) , anonymity is essential. If you go under your own name, future insurance will refuse to pay due to a pre-existing condition. Most places require an I'd (I asked to remain anonymous at Sukhumwit hospital, but they refused). However, a blurry passport copy is accepted, so it's easy to sign up under a different name (photoshop a fake one or get it made at KSR).
John Traveller
03-11-11, 09:19
Thank you for the report, this is really useful. How much does it cost at Red Cross? Is it clean and do they seem professional (e. G. Unpacking a new sterile needle in front of you when drawing blood)?The price is only 220 baht. From what I could see it was hygienic end professional.
[quote=crocodilexp; 1132263]thank you for the report, this is really useful. how much does it cost at red cross? is it clean and do they seem professional (e. g. unpacking a new sterile needle in front of you when drawing blood)?
the 1hr wait before is a bit longer than in most places. i can recommend sukhumwit hospital near bts ekkamai with about a 10 min wait. paolo hospital near bts saphan kwai is ok, but nurses seem incompetent ("chlamydia? what's that? can you see a doctor first to figure out what std test to take?").
end of quote / shortened.
chlmyidia is usually tested like gonorrhea. with a swab from inside the penis. (urethea?)
i get swapped every month and it takes between 1 hour to six hours. depending on the lab.
some say the next day.
in usa they can do [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) for chlmydia and gonorrhea.
there are a bunch of other little problems that can happen.
nsu. non specific ureits? something like that.
i have studied the girls in asia a lot and don't go with one until she is tested so i am always talking to labs for testing and doctors.
i never heard of blood test for chlymdia or gonorrhea?
only hiv and syphilis. (spelling might be wrong?)
be really careful of misdiagnosis in asia.
get second opinion and retest if you have anything. unless its really high quality doctor and hospital.
also they can miss a lot.
some things do not have symptoms that are noticeable or are so slight you may think its a normal itch?
so you can go by symptoms and if you are fucking a lot without condoms you need a good doctor and test of everything when you can.
in angeles there is a 50% infection rate or higher of girls working the bars. most are really minor things and easy to get rid of.
there are good clinics in pattaya on most of the sois. last one i visited was on soi 13/2. doctor will test for anything and everything. not really cheap if you test for everything you can. (std)
i know excellent doctor in angeles philippines.
in pattaya i also go to bangkok hospital pattaya for complete check ups. including heart and most other health issues.
You should also go on a cipro series because azthriomyzina doesn't kill gonerreah.Actually azithromycin does cure gonorrhea. The dose previously recommended was a 1 gram does to kill both gonorrhea and chlamydia, but nowadays I think they recommend 1. 5 or 2 grams. Still. 1 gram normally does work.
Really up-to-date Thai pharmacists will recommend a 1 gram one time dose of azithromycin and a 400 mg one time dose of Cefspan (oral) to cure both, but Cefspan is difficult to find and 99% of the time the azithromycin works alone, so I wouldn't worry about it.
I see some discussion on ultra thin condoms here. Such as Sagami 0. 02.
Where can I buy these in BKK?If anywhere it may be a secret some are trying to hide, for some reason.
Sagami, BTW, are looking to hire distributors, so maybe we'll start to see them around.
Anyone know where the cheapest place to do a test for Chlamydia? St. Louis Hospital wanted 4, 000 baht! I took azithromycin a few weeks ago and it cleared up for the most part, but I don't think it's 100% cleared up because I look down my urethra and can still see some cloudy liquid (but no discharge). I just want to test to make sure.
Anyone know where the cheapest place to do a test for Chlamydia? St. Louis Hospital wanted 4, 000 baht! I took azithromycin a few weeks ago and it cleared up for the most part, but I don't think it's 100% cleared up because I look down my urethra and can still see some cloudy liquid (but no discharge). I just want to test to make sure.You might check at Bangkok Christian Hospital on Silom. Their prices are very reasonable.
Anyone know where the cheapest place to do a test for Chlamydia? St. Louis Hospital wanted 4, 000 baht! I took azithromycin a few weeks ago and it cleared up for the most part, but I don't think it's 100% cleared up because I look down my urethra and can still see some cloudy liquid (but no discharge). I just want to test to make sure.There are plenty of medical clinics around. Last one I went to was in small soi off Sukhumwit Soi 11 close to Ambassador Hotel and price was not all ridiculous (without remembering exactly how much). Straight in and straight out, but obviously had to return to get results. Its not necessary to go to a hospital where could have a long wait.
I tested for just about everything (swaps and blood tests), even for Syphillus (despite being not so common), just to get a clean bill of health, after girlfriend found I had Azithro in my luggage (just in case I should find a need for it some time). Chlamydia can be caught from BBBJ quite easily, despite use of condoms for FS.
There are plenty of medical clinics around. Last one I went to was in small soi off Sukhumwit Soi 11 close to Ambassador Hotel and price was not all ridiculous (without remembering exactly how much). Straight in and straight out, but obviously had to return to get results. Its not necessary to go to a hospital where could have a long wait.
I tested for just about everything (swaps and blood tests) , even for Syphillus (despite being not so common) , just to get a clean bill of health, after girlfriend found I had Azithro in my luggage (just in case I should find a need for it some time). Chlamydia can be caught from BBBJ quite easily, despite use of condoms for FS. [/QUOTE.
Thanks for that. How did they perform the test? I really don't relish having a swab shoved up my urethra. At Bangkok hospital a few years ago they just squeezed my bell end until a small amount of liquid came out and got the sample that way.
And you're right. Chlamydia can be caught quite easily. I told my g / f it was just a urinary infection, which she seemed to buy. I caught it from a girl in the cocktail club on Cowboy. BBBJ. I will definitely stay away from bargain bin girls from now on.
NicFrenchy
03-30-11, 12:13
I caught it from a girl in the cocktail club on Cowboy. BBBJ. I will definitely stay away from bargain bin girls from now on.I don't think STDs discriminate. You can also catch one from a Spasso girl or a non P4P girl
I don't think STDs discriminate. You can also catch one from a Spasso girl or a non P4P girlUnsafe sex in any circumstance, unless solely with a (tested) monogamous partner, has risk involved for both parties.
From the ongoing discussions on this board, it appears some ISG mongers who boast about going bareback could be spreading some pretty nasty germs around not only Thailand, but other countries as well. Makes me worry for (and about) some of my "working" girlfriends.
I don't think STDs discriminate. You can also catch one from a Spasso girl or a non P4P girlActually the non-P4P could be the most dangerous of all, even for HIV, if they are sexually active, because we know that Thai BFs/GIKs do not like to wear condoms, even more strongly than Farangs. That's why so many innocent faithful Thai housewives have caught HIV.
Regular Soapy girls and higher class bar girls will probably be slightly less risky only because they get tested more frequently and are less likely to skip condoms for full sex.
Every BBBJ has a risk of occassional Chlamydia (the most likely one) which we take on a regular basis. I would suggest CBJ for those not willing to take that risk.
there are plenty of medical clinics around. last one i went to was in small soi off sukhumwit soi 11 close to ambassador hotel and price was not all ridiculous (without remembering exactly how much). straight in and straight out, but obviously had to return to get results. its not necessary to go to a hospital where could have a long wait.went in on friday. the clinic is on the small sub soi off soi 11. he told me it was 900 baht to test for chlamydia. i did not want the swab test. honestly i'm deathly afraid of the pain. he said that it was fine, as long as i hadn't urinated in 3 hours. i hadn't, and when the test came back negative, he told me i was all clear.
WHonestly I'm deathly afraid of the pain.I did it and was very afraid of the pain too. They need to do 3 or 4 swabs usually, not just 1. But it really isn't nearly as bad as you imagine. It only hurts a little.
I did it and was very afraid of the pain too. They need to do 3 or 4 swabs usually, not just 1. But it really isn't nearly as bad as you imagine. It only hurts a little.It's like having a pipe cleaner shoved up your dick and twisted.
When I was young and first married, I had a scab on my dick from my bacteria and the brides not being compatible. Doctor grabbed my fore skin and knocked the scab off with a piece of gauze. He had such a tight grip, I could not get away. Now that's pain. ;)
Slim
I can't believe it, but I have started going down on one pro girl. Which I thought I would never do. But she is just too hot to resist.
What are the risk involved for a man going down on a woman? Pretty limited I think. Anyone here ever caught anything from a pro?
I can't believe it, but I have started going down on one pro girl. Which I thought I would never do. But she is just too hot to resist. What are the risk involved for a man going down on a woman? Pretty limited I think. Anyone here ever caught anything from a pro?From Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunnilingus:
"Chlamydia, human papillomavirus (HPV) , gonorrhea, herpes, hepatitis (multiple strains) , and other sexually transmitted infections (STIs) — including HIV — can be transmitted through oral sex. Any kind of direct contact with body fluids of a person infected with HIV (the virus that causes AIDS) poses a risk of infection. Nevertheless, the risk of HIV infection is generally considered far lower than that associated with vaginal or anal sex. If the receiving partner has wounds or open sores on her genitals, or if the giving partner has wounds or open sores on or in his or her mouth, or bleeding gums, this poses an increased risk of STI transmission. Brushing the teeth, flossing, undergoing dental work, or eating crunchy foods such as potato chips relatively soon before or after performing cunnilingus can also increase the risk of disease transmission, because all of these activities can cause small scratches in the lining of the mouth. These wounds, even when they are microscopic, increase the chances of contracting STDs that can be transmitted orally under these conditions. Such contact can also lead to more mundane infections from common bacteria and viruses found in, around, and secreted from the genital regions.
In 2005, a research study at the College of Malmö in Sweden suggested that performing unprotected oral sex on a person infected with HPV might increase the risk of oral cancer. The study found that 36% of the cancer patients had HPV compared to only 1 percent of the healthy control group.
Another recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine suggests a correlation between oral sex and throat cancer. It is believed that this is due to the transmission of human papillomavirus or (HPV) because this virus has been implicated in the majority of cervical cancers. The study concludes that people who had one to five oral sex partners in their lifetime had approximately a doubled risk of throat cancer compared with those who never engaged in this activity, and those with more than five oral-sex partners had a 250% increased risk."
Have fun. ;)
Any kind of direct contact with body fluids of a person infected with HIV (the virus that causes AIDS) poses a risk of infection. Nevertheless, the risk of HIV infection is generally considered far lower than that associated with vaginal or anal sex.Yes, so low the risk that real provable instances of orally caught HIV have been extremely difficult to find. One study of lesbians in a stable relationship with one partner HIV+ found no instances of the other partner catching HIV through oral sex. I am not saying its impossible, but only so low a risk that its not worth worrying about. Your condom breaking is a bigger risk, I believe.
Other things like Chlamydia are far easier to catch, orally.
Yes, so low the risk that real provable instances of orally caught HIV have been extremely difficult to find. One study of lesbians in a stable relationship with one partner HIV+ found no instances of the other partner catching HIV through oral sex. I am not saying its impossible, but only so low a risk that its not worth worrying about. Your condom breaking is a bigger risk, I believe.Other things like Chlamydia are far easier to catch, orally.Slurp, slurp, slurp away. Thai women, for the most part, love it!
Yeah, I don't worry about HIV at all for Cunnilingus (though who knew about the danger of eating potato chips? LOL). But about herpes etc.
Do any of the bars, gogos, MPs have regular tests for their girls.
I know that some bars in the PIs have this. What about LOS?
Crocodilexp
04-26-11, 19:35
Do any of the bars, gogos, MPs have regular tests for their girls.
I know that some bars in the PIs have this. What about LOS? Some bars have regular "tests". However, these often involve nothing more than a doctor asking a girl if she feels well and signing off on the all clear result. I would not bet my life on whether the actual blood test for HIV / VDRL was done, even if a paper from a back-alley clinic says so.
According to a WG I have every reason to trust, the answer is yes, at least in her high-end shop. She is required to use condoms in the shop. She is tested once a month. If she gets an STD, she has to stop working until cured or stop altogether if it's HIV.
I imagine policy and enforcement depends on each business, however.
NicFrenchy
04-27-11, 00:56
She is tested once a month.Wow, so the shop actually pays for the Doctor? If not then the results are not very accurate as girls can always find a nice doctor that will not do the whole check.
I'll admit I did not get the details of who does the test to who; but it sounded pretty serious and like the shop was committed to protecting their clients. And that also makes sense to me, why would a shop make it easy for their girls to escape the tests, when it could get one of their important client infected, leading to all sort of troubles, possibly getting closed down, etc? It seems logical to me that high-end shops (where many connected VIP Thais go) would not mess around with this stuff.
I'll try to find out more from her when I get the chance, eg how does she get tested exactly.
John Dough
04-27-11, 04:38
Men's latex penis hole underwear briefs protect against herpes and genital warts from skin to skin contact in areas not covered by condoms.
http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale-10pcs-60-men-latex-shorts-penis/r-ff8080812aef2fb1012aef503a8a68e1.html
Super thin, flexible and light for added comfort.
Front hole ring will help secure condom by locking the condom`s ring.
Directions: Before sex: Put condom on first. Then wear underwear and fasten with buttons.
After sex: Unbutton and take underwear off first. Then pull out condom.
Men's latex penis hole underwear briefs protect against herpes and genital warts from skin to skin contact in areas not covered by condoms.
http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale-10pcs-60-men-latex-shorts-penis/r-ff8080812aef2fb1012aef503a8a68e1.html
Super thin, flexible and light for added comfort.
Front hole ring will help secure condom by locking the condom`s ring.
Directions: Before sex: Put condom on first. Then wear underwear and fasten with buttons.
After sex: Unbutton and take underwear off first. Then pull out condom. Any punter who can maintain a hard-on after all of that should be admired.
Any punter who can maintain a hard-on after all of that should be admired.With enough Viagra anything is possible. Viagra is a wonder drug enabling us to screw girls numerous times a day never heard of before the invention.
Nowadays hypersexed girls expect you to fuck them more than 1 or 2 times.
Pro Fesseur
04-27-11, 17:27
Any punter who can maintain a hard-on after all of that should be admired.Better safe than sorry. Have a look at my new going-out attire! .
Viagra is a wonder drug enabling us to screw girls numerous times a day never heard of before the invention.I can assure you that women were getting fucked "numerous times a day" long before Viagra.
Men's latex penis hole underwear briefs protect against herpes and genital warts from skin to skin contact in areas not covered by condoms.
http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale-10pcs-60-men-latex-shorts-penis/r-ff8080812aef2fb1012aef503a8a68e1.html
Super thin, flexible and light for added comfort.
Front hole ring will help secure condom by locking the condom`s ring.
Directions: Before sex: Put condom on first. Then wear underwear and fasten with buttons.
After sex: Unbutton and take underwear off first. Then pull out condom. This will, without a doubt, take the charm out of the act for all but the most dedicated of latex fetish extremists. Heaven help those afflicted with a latex allergy.
John Dough
04-29-11, 21:48
These condoms have a skirt at the base to cover the pubic area, providing protection from herpes and genital warts.
http://dayotahealthcare.en.nobodybuy.com/pid1289363/protection-condom-morecare-condom.htm
http://www.supplierlist.com/product_view/oemcondom/223174/101114/Protection_Condom_Morecare_Condom__www_dahuilatex_.htm
it is implied one is safer if they do not have "rough sex" because of the "friction" caused by such that would increase the likelihood of tears which open a gateway for the hiv virus to potentially reach the skin on the body of the uninfected:
"tears (often microscopically small) in the membrane linings of the genital tracks, especially in the anal-rectal area, also make it easy for the virus to enter the sex partner's bloodstream. because the membrane linings of body cavities, epecially in the anal-rectal area, and, to a lesser extent, in the vagina, are very delicate, they can be torn as a result of friction generated during sexual intercourse. (rough sex, dry sex and forced sex or [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) often lead to friction, tears and bleeding.)"
http://www.health.am/aids/more/transmission_through_sexual_acts/
Another good reason to use lubricated condoms + KY.
In the past in this thread I opposed BB sex quite strongly. But now based on a number of factors, including HIV no longer being considered the death sentence it once was, I think the case against going ruberless is less strong. In fact I'd suggest that in some cases it is quite reasonable to practice condomless sex, and I am even presently doing so. For example, if a person has been given only a month, year, or five years to live, there is little reason for a guy to worry about getting infected. Compare the following quote:
"I wouldn't even tell my patients who enjoyed cigarettes to stop smoking because it didn't seem to make a lot of sense if we were talking about survival in terms of months and a few years."
http://www.medindia.net/news/HIV-No-Longer-a-Death-Sentence-Conference-Told-24024-1.htm
if a person has been given only a month, year, or five years to live, there is little reason for a guy to worry about getting infected.Besides of course caring about spreading diseases to the girls or other mongers. I guess if you are about to die, who cares, right?
besides of course caring about spreading diseases to the girls or other mongers. i guess if you are about to die, who cares, right?i think the human mind is not prepared to say "i am going to die, hell, let's have fun!"
most likely in the last period of such a disease you are most likely so sick you do not think about having fun.
in the early period, you might not believe what you have, you tend to remove the issue, you tend to think "not me, i am feeling ok, i am fighting the disease". so it is not you are "spreding the disease in a voluntary way under the "who cares about the others", but most likely in a careless way.
probabluy the same stae of mind of the guy, driving drunk and speeding. he feels nothing can happen to him, happens always to the others. if he kills somebody by driving drunk he is not voluntarily doing it but he is in a careless mood.
i am not justifying, i am trying to assign a mind status.
still i do believe that acting careless (before getting a disease and doing it bb all the time, before getting drunk but starting to drink heavily) has a degree of condemnable behaviour.
Chocha Monger
05-12-11, 02:04
Actually, stroking a pussy bareback comes naturally to most guys and feels much better than putting a piece of rubber on their penis, so there is no need for them to get in any particular frame of mind to bareback. They just follow their instincts. Sex is a highly personal thing and the last thing a guy will be thinking of is the welfare of other mongers who may bareback the same girl. In fact other mongers should be in no danger of catching diseases if they are using a rubber so any spreading of diseases should be limited to the bareback monger community and the girls serving it. The only people from the safe sex crowd in danger are the ones who don't practice what they preach.
LittleBigMan
05-12-11, 14:45
To use or not to use? We are all grew men here nothing anyone going to say including me is going to change anyones mind although the science is available. Why? Because it feels damn good even for those that preach condoms. We all have slipped it in from time to time?
I have worked along individuals that had Aids before they even knew what it was! I seen the affects of the slow dying process and heard the conversation from them that they like to " live for today " I never said it to anyone of their faces including the last guy in 1994, who one day said he had Aids for a number of years and that the cocktails that he was taking had given out on him. I told him that I had known for sometime and that I had seen the signs along with his absentee record. Seven months later he was dead and I remember years before he said he like to " live for today " at his service all I can think to myself was " he live for today and today was here ".
Everyone be safe and if that time comes remember to deal with it like a man like my co-worker.
Blankqu,
You got one of the best tools the lord gave you! Use your tongue and eyes to locate her heavens gate?
LBM
Besides of course caring about spreading diseases to the girls or other mongers. I guess if you are about to die, who cares, right?Well, I was referring to the risk to the dying individual BBer himself, not to the possible effects upon others. If any guy didn't want to put others in danger of STDs through sexual activities, he'd need to be a virgin for the rest of his life. But most of us here are willing to put ourselves in one degree or another of danger rather than do that.
BBing is one of many risky sexual practices, but has also been used for thousands of years to keep the human race from extinction. While it is one of the most dangerous activities in the bedroom, if you are having sex at all with another you are also entertaining a level of danger yourself. Who's to say what level is acceptable or right? Is a BBBJ ok, or should it be covered? What about DATY, DFK, AR, BLS, and other rubberless activities?
"According to a 2000 report by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) , correct and consistent use of latex condoms reduces the risk of HIV / AIDS transmission by approximately 85% relative to risk when unprotected."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom#In_preventing_STDs
This is based on "correct and consistent use of latex condoms", but in the real world of human error those figures would go down, as explained here:
"Hand out all the condoms you want, make sure they are used, and there will still be an epidemic of STDs and unplanned pregnancy. Condoms have been around for centuries, in one form or another. They have never been reliable. Today, IF a condom is used CORRECTLY (12 step process) and CONSISTENTLY, and there are no defects in the condom, and it does not break; a user might have an 85% protection rate against HIV, or pregnancy. In the real world, where the users are drunk, or stoned, it's dark, and he is rushing. Are you getting the picture?"
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/nov/27/anthony-westbury-bowed-but-not-beaten-hivaids-st/?partner=yahoo_feeds
It looks like condoms were giving me a false sense of security.
However if a BBer wanted to continue BBing and reduce the risk to others, then he could think about how to do so and take the appropriate actions. For example, he might get tested, encourage his partners to do the same, limit himself to a monagamous relationship, not practice rough sex, seek to reduce the vaginal tearing during intercourse, and so forth.
For example, both me and the two girls I've decided to continue BBing, and who say they are only seeing me, have been tested recently. All tests showed no signs of any STDs, whether major or minor. Hopefully those you are doing with a condom are the same or at least the rubber does not fail you.
Tears during sex are a major contributing factor to getting HIV, but if a guy has a small penis, is circumcised, doesn't practice rough sex, and his girl's pussy is like fucking the grand canyon, all of these factors reduce friction and the likelihood of tearing. Such a guy, myself included, may be safer from HIV than many guys using a condom that may be defective, break, or slip off inside or outside the girl.
Chocha Monger
05-13-11, 01:30
The purpose of sex is to propagate the species. When one slides into a fucklet's hot wet beaver it gives a feeling of intense pleasure and deep satisfaction. It's is that very sensation that makes mongers undergo the expense and danger of hunting beaver on distant shores with low standards of living. Take away that exquisite feeling of skin to skin raw sex and the thrill is gone! Our species is one that thrives on risk. Men have gone to the moon, climbed mountains and dived to the depths of the oceans. It can argued that these endeavors were extremely risky, hazardous to life and possibly totally unnecessary. Yet such adventures are pursued at great expense. Our species tends to reward risk taking. After all, the natural reproductive process requires barebacking at some point to pass our genes onto future generations. Those too terrified to bareback would fail to reproduce and eventually die off resulting in natural selection for those with the propensity to bareback against all odds.
In the past in this thread I opposed BB sex quite strongly. But now based on a number of factors, including HIV no longer being considered the death sentence it once was, I think the case against going ruberless is less strong. In fact I'd suggest that in some cases it is quite reasonable to practice condomless sex, and I am even presently doing so. For example, if a person has been given only a month, year, or five years to live, there is little reason for a guy to worry about getting infected. Compare the following quote:
"I wouldn't even tell my patients who enjoyed cigarettes to stop smoking because it didn't seem to make a lot of sense if we were talking about survival in terms of months and a few years."
http://www.medindia.net/news/HIV-No-Longer-a-Death-Sentence-Conference-Told-24024-1.htmWe had all this crap on the other forum until you were banned for trolling. Now you have arrived here to sell your encyclopedias. I'm not going to bother to get involved, other than to say if you think HIV / AIDS is now cured and it's simply a matter of taking a couple of pills a day for the rest of your life with no other effects then you are very much mistaken. By barebacking on a regular basis you put yourself at risk (who cares) , the girls (I care) and anybody they have unprotected sex with (which I accept probably includes the majority of us very infrequently).
And don't get me started on the pregnancy risks.
any spreading of diseases should be limited to the bareback monger community and the girls serving it. The only people from the safe sex crowd in danger are the ones who don't practice what they preach.Some people manage that crazy ability of caring for someone other than themselves. Crazy, I know.
Just for the record, HIV still is very much a death sentence, you just don't die in 2 years like you did in 1985, but in 20. And during the 20 years you have to take very strong medications several times per day, that give you either permanent cold sweat, diarrhea, stomach aches, pimples, dizziness, mental fog, liver issues, or a combination of all and more. It's not a walk in the park.I find this comment very interesting and am wondering what you guys think. Re the first sentence I did an internet search on the words "HIV death sentence" and everywhere I looked people thought it was no longer considered as such. Re the second sentence quoted above, I am also seeing comments, as given below, that give a vastly different viewpoint. So do you think HIV is as bad as stated above?
"Over the years, drugs have been developed that can treat a wide range of medical problems, including HIV, and help people live longer and healthier lives. All drugs are tested to make sure they are safe and effective enough to be allowed on the market. However, all drugs can cause some effects that are different from what they were developed to do. These are called side effects.
"Like all medications, HIV drugs can cause side effects. In most cases, the side effects of HIV drugs are mild, like a headache or an upset stomach. In some cases, more serious side effects can happen, like liver damage or a severe skin rash.
"Side effects are most common during the first four to six weeks you are taking a new HIV medication. After your body gets used to the new drug, the side effects usually get better or go away.
http://www.thewellproject.org/en_US/Treatment_and_Trials/Things_to_Consider/Side_Effects.jsp
"Currently, most ARV regimens are well-tolerated. HIV medications can have side effects which are described in the patient information leaflet of the label. Some may be nothing more than a minor inconvenience, while others may interrupt your daily routine or affect your quality of life by making you feel anxious, nauseous, or fatigued. Some side effects may affect your overall health.
"It is important to keep your doctor informed about how you are feeling and how you are tolerating your HIV medications. There may be simple steps you can take to relieve minor side effects. When a HIV medications causes severe side effects, your doctor may be able to prescribe treatments to combat them or they may suggest changing your treatment regimen.
http://www.tibotec-hiv.com/bgdisplay.jhtml?itemname=side_effects
"Everyone responds to HIV medication differently. While one person may not experience any side effects from a given antiretroviral (ARV) medication, another may face side effects that are difficult to tolerate.
http://www.tibotec-hiv.com/bgdisplay.jhtml?itemname=side_effects_by_category
"Many HIV patients (even those who are doing good on meds) have fatigue (good and bad days) which actually is common in the general population as well. Likely not due to the virus per se. The meds can contribute as can psychological state, amount of sleep, stress, other medical conditions, and other factors. KH.
http://www.thebody.com/h/statins-side-effects-and-hiv-medication.html
"The risk of HIV medications depends on which one you're on. The newer medicines have less side effects than the older ones. The side effect profile of antiretral viral therapy has never been terrible. And some of the latest medications that are coming out in clinical trial, so far we haven't even seen any side effects. A couple of medications that are in clinical trials this year and that we hope will be FDA approved this year, such as the CCR5 Inhibitor Maraviroc, and the intergraze inhibitor Raltegravir, so far no side effects have been detected in clinical trials. Of course there's bound to be some side effects in some individuals. But obviously the rate is going to be very, very low, if so far they haven't detected any. And for example the components of Atripla, the side effects are not very frequent with most of the components. Tenofovir very rarely causes any side effect. Very, very rarely it may cause kidney problems, and so that has to be watched. FDC hardly ever causes any side effects in anybody. Sustiva can cause dizziness and funny dreams, and it's not the drug for absolutely everybody. But now we have so many drugs that if a patient has side effects from their first regiment that they are given for their heart treatment, then we can switch them to another one. Which almost certainly won't, but if they're unlucky on the second one we can put them to a third or a fourth. So my goal is to always find a heart regiment that a patient will have no side effects from whatsoever. And that's the case for the majority of my patients. It's a little harder if patients has experienced a lot of drugs and have become resistant to a lot of drugs, and you don't have as many choices. But for patients newly infected who haven't got any resistance, we'll pretty much always find a regiment now that they can take without any side effect.
http://www.videojug.com/interview/hiv-treatment-side-effects
I think HIV is more like a diabetes these days. Many people don't consider diabetes as a "death sentence" like HIV but diabetes still kills many people slowly. It reduces the life expectancy of the people who have it by many years, possibly even something like 10-15 years much like HIV. Neither HIV nor diabetes can be cured. You need lots of medication in both cases. Please do not take any risks cause HIV is still a very serious disease but it is researched a lot nowadays. There is a good chance of a vaccine in the near future. And when there is a vaccine there it usually a cure so if you catch HIV today you would probably die of it in 10-20 years and it is possible that there will be in a cure in that time frame and you won't die of it.
The problem of HI virus is that it mutates so much. That makes it very difficult to create a vaccine against it but it is certainly possible.
Pinkpearl: my comment was from personal experience. I have several friends with HIV. As I said, it's not a walk in the park.
it is implied one is safer if they do not have "rough sex" because of the "friction" caused by such that would increase the likelihood of tears which open a gateway for the hiv virus to potentially reach the skin on the body of the uninfected:
"tears (often microscopically small) in the membrane linings of the genital tracks, especially in the anal-rectal area, also make it easy for the virus to enter the sex partner's bloodstream. because the membrane linings of body cavities, epecially in the anal-rectal area, and, to a lesser extent, in the vagina, are very delicate, they can be torn as a result of friction generated during sexual intercourse. (rough sex, dry sex and forced sex or [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) often lead to friction, tears and bleeding.)"
http://www.health.am/aids/more/transmission_through_sexual_acts/the safety is most important.
It is my first post so I thought I would try to make it a bit interesting. I was neither for or against BB until key moments in my life changed my views. I usually cover up, but in the heat of the moment and on the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) I don't do it. I have worked and played throughout West Africa, Southern Africa, Thailand and Cambodia. 50% or more has been BB. I shake my head when ever I look back on what I did. I used to think I was lucky. Anyway here are some interesting facts that I pulled up.
Infant mortality rate in America is (at a maximum).03. Chances of catching HIV through BB vaginal sex is. 05% (give or take due to many variables) So essentially this says that there is a similar chance of your child dying during birth as there is of getting HIV when fucking BB. I can see now that it wasn't luck for me. It was playing the % game. Don't get me wrong, now I have a misses (key moment one) and kids (key moment two) I will still always wear a condom, but heay, if I was single and had no commitments back home or no loved ones I would go BB all the time. If punters at casino's had those odds the casino's would go broke! AND I ain't talken broke back mountain! Haha and I'm glad to be on this site. Looking forward to being in Pattaya on the 3rd of July!
References
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map3.6Maternal_Mortality_compressed.jpg/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV
Sorry guys, I thought I was on PA! This is my second post on ISG. Bloody Guinea, West Africa is getting to me. Well the beer is anyway.
It is my first post so I thought I would try to make it a bit interesting. I was neither for or against BB until key moments in my life changed my views. I usually cover up, but in the heat of the moment and on the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) I don't do it. I have worked and played throughout West Africa, Southern Africa, Thailand and Cambodia. 50% or more has been BB. I shake my head when ever I look back on what I did. I used to think I was lucky. Anyway here are some interesting facts that I pulled up.
Infant mortality rate in America is (at a maximum).03. Chances of catching HIV through BB vaginal sex is. 05% (give or take due to many variables) So essentially this says that there is a similar chance of your child dying during birth as there is of getting HIV when fucking BB. I can see now that it wasn't luck for me. It was playing the % game. Don't get me wrong, now I have a misses (key moment one) and kids (key moment two) I will still always wear a condom, but heay, if I was single and had no commitments back home or no loved ones I would go BB all the time. If punters at casino's had those odds the casino's would go broke! AND I ain't talken broke back mountain! Haha and I'm glad to be on this site. Looking forward to being in Pattaya on the 3rd of July!
References.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map3.6Maternal_Mortality_compressed.jpg/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIVOhhhh boy do the math, you get born once but BB how many times?
The possibility is "times of BB sex" x possibility.
On my last 3 weeks trip I had about 26 girls. That times. 05 is already 1. Something. Adding up all my years in asia if I would go BB every time I would have an infection risk of more then 200.
I think HIV is more like a diabetes these days. Many people don't consider diabetes as a "death sentence" like HIV but diabetes still kills many people slowly. It reduces the life expectancy of the people who have it by many years, possibly even something like 10-15 years much like HIV. Neither HIV nor diabetes can be cured. You need lots of medication in both cases. Please do not take any risks cause HIV is still a very serious disease but it is researched a lot nowadays. There is a good chance of a vaccine in the near future. And when there is a vaccine there it usually a cure so if you catch HIV today you would probably die of it in 10-20 years and it is possible that there will be in a cure in that time frame and you won't die of it.
The problem of Hi virus is that it mutates so much. That makes it very difficult to create a vaccine against it but it is certainly possible. You said it yourself: diabetes may reduce your life expectancy by 10-15 years, so you die aged 60-65. HIV may kill you in 10-20 yeras, so you die aged 30-50. Big difference in my opinion. And AIDS is still a pretty grim disease (wasting, sweats, aching, nausea, etc etc). I wouldn't bet on a vaccine or cure anytime soon.
LittleBigMan
06-08-11, 02:34
Regardless of the illness, diabetes, Hiv, regardless of the stats, no one wants to be sick! No one wants to have to worry for their rest of their life! We can come up with millions of reasons to justify our position as to what we are doing! I can safely say when the times comes that one is sick there isn't a person on the face of this earth that wish they weren't.
For some reason when it comes to sex everything is thrown out the window?
LBM
I think HIV is more like a diabetes these days.Yesterday I asked the GF if she'd mind going with me for an HIV test. No problem, she said, so in we went. Both negative, thankfully. I told her I was impressed with how willing she was to go right in and do it.
'I look after myself so I don't worry about that, ' she said. 'But you won't get me to go for a diabetes test. '
Turns out, she's seen a neighbor or two die of AIDS, but she's seen dozens of family members and friends suffer with diabetes. To her it's a much more immediate risk, and that's when that weird human reaction kicks in: therefore she doesn't want to know.
(I don't mean this as a comparison of the two diseases, just an example of a typical lower-middle-class Thai perception of them.)
NicFrenchy
06-08-11, 10:29
I am getting a few messages asking where to go to get tested.
SUKHUMVIT 11 CLINIC.
1/31 soi 11, sukhumvit road (It is in the small sub-soi across from Ambassador hotel, on the left where Sabai Sabai Massage is)
Mon-Fri 9am to 7pm.
Sat 10am to 4pm.
They Offer:
- Medical Service.
- VD Check up.
- Blood tests.
- Anti-HIV (Aids)
- Vaccinations.
- Innfluenza Vaccine.
- Anti Rabies Vaccine.
- Hep A & B Vaccine.
- Medical Certificate for Work Permit or Driving License.
I went there and did Blood tests (VD Check) + Swabs and got the claps.
The whole cost (with Medicine + Injection) was 3, 000 thb.
Ohhhh boy do the math, you get born once but BB how many times?
The possibility is "times of BB sex" x possibility.
On my last 3 weeks trip I had about 26 girls. That times. 05 is already 1. Something. Adding up all my years in asia if I would go BB every time I would have an infection risk of more then 200. Sorry my maths was wrong. It is not 0. 5% it is a 5 in 10 000 chance or 0. 0005% or 1 in every 2000 roots. So at 1 girl a day chances are you will have HIV after 5. 6 years. And your right Osuul, it was a bad comparison.
The following link speaks of one man who was apparently cured of AIDS. Also mentioned are new preventative measures and a partly effective vaccine, etc.
"The example is Timothy Ray Brown of San Francisco, the first person in the world apparently cured of AIDS. His treatment isn't practical for wide use, but there are encouraging signs that other approaches might someday lead to a cure, or at least allow some people to control HIV without needing medication every day."
". For now, the focus remains on preventing new infections. With recent progress on novel ways to do that and a partially effective vaccine,"we're starting to get the feel that we can really get our arms around this pandemic," Fauci said.
". In the USA though, newly diagnosed patients have a life expectancy only a few months shorter than people without HIV. Modern drugs are much easier to take, and many patients get by on a single pill a day.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/one-mans-success-revives-hope-curing-aids-30-050557388.html
Regardless of the illness, diabetes, Hiv, regardless of the stats, no one wants to be sick! No one wants to have to worry for their rest of their life! We can come up with millions of reasons to justify our position as to what we are doing! I can safely say when the times comes that one is sick there isn't a person on the face of this earth that wish they weren't.
For some reason when it comes to sex everything is thrown out the window?
LBMHonestly what we want is to throw the condom "out the window" and then have sex. Sex of a far superior quality would certainly be an enticing temptation, don't you agree?
If I am sick, that is have a hangover, from drinking a lot, I take an Advil and I'm fine. Better yet, if I take the Advil with the booze and avoid the pain of the hangover pains completely.
With HIV and AIDS it is being claimed many suffer needlessly because the medical community is often reluctant to dispense cheap liquid morphine tablets. This encourages people to consider illicit means of obtaining the same or something similar. I think most of us are aware of the so-called war on drugs.
"Conclusions: In this small retrospective analysis oral retarded morphine produced good results in control of pain of various aetiology in advanced HIV disease, regardless of previous or concomitant use of other opiates."
http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102220415.html
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/02/15/many-hivaids-patients-suffer-pain-needlessly
LittleBigMan
06-10-11, 11:52
Honestly what we want is to throw the condom "out the window" and then have sex. Sex of a far superior quality would certainly be an enticing temptation, don't you agree?
If I am sick, that is have a hangover, from drinking a lot, I take an Advil and I'm fine. Better yet, if I take the Advil with the booze and avoid the pain of the hangover pains completely.
With HIV and AIDS it is being claimed many suffer needlessly because the medical community is often reluctant to dispense cheap liquid morphine tablets. This encourages people to consider illicit means of obtaining the same or something similar. I think most of us are aware of the so-called war on drugs.
"Conclusions: In this small retrospective analysis oral retarded morphine produced good results in control of pain of various aetiology in advanced HIV disease, regardless of previous or concomitant use of other opiates."
http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102220415.html
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/02/15/many-hivaids-patients-suffer-pain-needlesslyPinkPearl,
If this makes you think its a walk in the park having Hiv / Aids knock yourself out! I've seen many individual take similar position of trying to convince themselves something is nothing. When that day comes they sing another tune. I've heard people talked about doing the crime because they aren't afraid of doing the time but when they have to pickup the soap they are the ones that cry really loud!
Good luck and good health?
LBM
AntiPopular
06-10-11, 13:13
Sorry my maths was wrong. It is not 0. 5% it is a 5 in 10 000 chance or 0. 0005% or 1 in every 2000 roots. So at 1 girl a day chances are you will have HIV after 5. 6 years. And your right Osuul, it was a bad comparison.Probability does not work that way.
The chance is. 5% EVERYTIME, it is not an additive scale.
With that said, the probability figure was derived from self-reported sexual activity and the appearance (or lack of) of HIV in their main partner. Other risky behavior on a per-sex basis would vastly increase this number.
Probability does not work that way. The chance is. 5% EVERYTIME, it is not an additive scale.Not sure what you're trying to say here, but anyone who chooses to play any form of Russian Roulette might want to familiarise themselves with two terms: cumulative probability and normal distribution.
Say for example that the odds of infection were just 0. 1% per encounter (1 in 1000) , anyone want to guess the cumulative odds after 1000 encounters*
People can argue endlessly about the actual risk (and there is no single correct answer, because it depends on so many different factors) , but probability has a certain relentlessness to it. Keep taking a risk, even a small one, often enough, and eventually the odds turn against you.
*63% (And the odds have reached 50-50 after about 693 encounters)
I agree the math is important but I am not sure I want to learn it from you. Fuck someone with AIDS and there are two possible outcomes: 1) you get AIDS, or 2) you don't. So that is binomial, and unrelated to the normal distribution or "bell curve." Since most people would not care if they got AIDS one time or six times, you only care about the probability of getting it at least once. IF the probability of transmission were 1 in a thousand (under whatever conditions), the probability would be 36.8% you would get it exactly once if you fucked 1,000 different hookers with AIDS, each once. The probability that you would get it at least once would be 73.6%, so to me that is the relevant probability.
Or are you saying that each outcome is not independent? Like you fuck the same hooker 1,000 times and she has AIDS? Who's gonna fuck the same hooker 1,000 times? I admit I have fucked a couple of hookers more than 100 times but 1,000 times?
I agree the math is important but I am not sure I want to learn it from you.Well I'm not teaching it, so no worries there.
The point is, you shag a few girls with HIV and you'll probably be OK. Keep doing it though and the odds are likely to catch up with you eventually. Pretty simple really.
Crocodilexp
06-11-11, 11:24
the probability would be 36.8% you would get it exactly once if you fucked 1,000 different hookers with AIDS, each once. The probability that you would get it at least once would be 73.6%, so to me that is the relevant probability.That's different than 63%. Would you care to elaborate on how you got there?
For the 63% figure, it's straightforward. Odds of not getting infected are 0. 999 per act. For 2 acts, odds of not getting infected at first one AND not getting infected on the second one are 0. 999*0. 999. For 1000 acts, that's. 9991000 = 0. 37. So, odds of getting it (at least once) are 1-0.37 = 63%. Where did Betong & I go wrong (if we did)?
Not that it makes any difference in reality. Odds eventually catch up with those who are repeatedly reckless.
That's different than 63. Would you care to elaborate on how you got there?
For the 63% figure, it's straightforward. Odds of not getting infected are 0. 999 per act. For 2 acts, odds of not getting infected at first one AND not getting infected on the second one are 0. 999*0. 999. For 1000 acts, that's. 9991000 = 0. 37. So, odds of getting it (at least once) are 1-0. 37 = 63. Where did Betong & I go wrong (if we did)? Not that it makes any difference in reality. Odds eventually catch up with those who are repeatedly reckless.
You raised 0.999 to 1000th power (36. 7%) so you ignored the odds of getting infected on the first try AND on the second try AND on the third try. And, in that case you are still infected. That is why it is binominial and not cumulative. In other words, you came up with the probability of getting it (or not getting it, which would be the complement) exactly once, not getting it at least once. I used Excel's statistics function to come up with the binomial probability.
In lay terms, you flipped a coin twice and correctly determined the odds of it coming up heads exactly once was 1 in 4, but you ignored the odds of it coming up heads AT LEAST once, which is 3/4.
I misquoted your number (I quoted the complement of it, the 36.7% instead of 63.3%, which is what my number should have been compared to) in my original post. That exaggerated the difference between our two numbers. Sorry.
Probability does not work that way.
The chance is. 5% EVERYTIME, it is not an additive scale.
With that said, the probability figure was derived from self-reported sexual activity and the appearance (or lack of) of HIV in their main partner. Other risky behavior on a per-sex basis would vastly increase this number.Chance is 0. 0005% if your a male rooting a female. FACT. No argument. I don't say this, the smart people that are doctors are doing the surveys. As stated 1 in every 2000 get it. You may get HIv on the 1st root, you may get it on the last. But after 5. 6 years, chances are U will get it!
I've fucked all over Africa, Asia and to a small extent Europe and if we go by your rule of thumb of. 5% I would be taking anti viral's by now.
Nuff said
NicFrenchy
06-12-11, 04:22
00. 5,5. 50% do people really give a damn about this shit to the point of taking it so seriously?
NowInBangkok
06-24-11, 14:24
Anyone have any tips on how to avoid HIV aids when using Bangkok Massage Parlors Girls services like in Ratchada, Nataree, etc?
Thanks before
Anyone have any tips on how to avoid HIV aids when using Bangkok Massage Parlors Girls services like in Ratchada, Nataree, etc?
Thanks beforeYou're welcome. Perhaps you might find one or more of the following helpful.
1} Don't have sex. As Steve Martin said "Don't have sex man. It leads to kissing and pretty soon you have to start talking to them." Seriously, though, sex activities like anal or genital intercourse, BBBJ's, DATY, DFK, BLS, AR, all put one at risk of contracting HIV. Even getting a non sexual massage from those girls poses a risk, so maybe just play with yourself while looking at their naked bods.
2} If you decide to have sex anyway, and like to use condoms, learn which one will be right for you, such as not too tight so that it breaks or so loose that it slips off inside the pussy during the act. Learn how to put it on correctly, even in the dark when you are stoned, hammered or wasted. I've had condoms burst or get eaten by a pussy many times, which leads us to door number three, below.
3} If you prefer BB sex, then maybe that's because you like sex better that way, so are willing to take the increased risk of getting STDs. According to Opebo, if I recall, HIV has difficulty with water based lubricants. So use plenty of KY, I guess, if you can believe this. BTW, I'm not sure if the same would apply to oils like corn and olive, but these are great for playing with yourself because they are far less expensive and more longlasting than the typical store bought sex lubes. Bear in mind, though, that oil and water don't mix. As for oil and HIV, I have no clue. And I don't know if it's a good idea to fill a vagina with things one cooks with or spermicides, although some girls are happy to put cucumbers, carrots, bottles and stickshifts in there.
4} I've heard oil shouldn't be applied to condoms, whether on the outside or inside, as it makes them break down. The question then is whether the risks of break down as it pertains to HIV is more or less than the advantages, if any, gained by having oil acting as a protective barrier.
5} Re having sex as in 2 and 3 above, you can increase your chances of avoiding HIV in many ways. For example by choosing a girl who is a virgin, a newbie to hooking and MP's, not a drug or needle user, or one who has tested negative for the disease, etc. Likewise if you can reduce the friction during intercourse, for example by getting a lady with a very big hole, by cumming in less than one minute, or using lots of lube such as KY. Also it might be a good idea to not have sex with girls on the their period.
Hope that helped. Best of luck.
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"I practice safe sex. I use an airbag." Garry Shandling
TravelCollector
07-18-11, 06:06
Use condoms.Every thing covered, or at least as much as possible. I have never had a condom break and I always pay attention if it's starting to slide down. Condoms should stop contaminating everything that's covered.
AussieDoug
07-18-11, 13:43
I am getting a few messages asking where to go to get tested.
SUKHUMVIT 11 CLINIC.
1/31 soi 11, sukhumvit road (It is in the small sub-soi across from Ambassador hotel, on the left where Sabai Sabai Massage is)
Mon-Fri 9am to 7pm.
Sat 10am to 4pm.
They Offer:
- Medical Service.
- VD Check up.
- Blood tests.
- Anti-HIV (Aids)
- Vaccinations.
- Innfluenza Vaccine.
- Anti Rabies Vaccine.
- Hep A & B Vaccine.
- Medical Certificate for Work Permit or Driving License.
I went there and did Blood tests (VD Check) + Swabs and got the claps.
The whole cost (with Medicine + Injection) was 3, 000 thb.That is not that much cheaper than Bumrungrad, why bother with a small clinic when there is a full blown hospital.
AssLover945
07-19-11, 06:10
Anyone have any tips on how to avoid HIV aids when using Bangkok Massage Parlors Girls services like in Ratchada, Nataree, etc?
Thanks beforeStep 1. Go to Sukhumvit, buy a few adult DVDs.
Step 2. On the way back to your hotel, smile back at all the girls.
Step 3. If you come across a tuktuk, taxi driver etc showing you cards and inviting you to go to "sexy show" just smile at them and ask " Do you have men? I am gay"
Step 4. If you come across a Massage parlour. Do not step inside. Keep your mind, heart, soul and dick straight. Head straight back to the hotel.
Step 5. Once inside your room, close everything, doors, windows, curtains.
Step 6. Do not let the moaning in the next room distract and get on with your mission.
Step 7. Start the DVD.
Step 8. Jack off.
Step 9. Check out of hotel next day.
Step 10. Head to airport
Step 11. Congratulations. You did it, You are safe!
Too many here self loathing and lecturing about HIV / STD's. All these percentages and copies of articles.
What is your thinking. Let's see. I have fucked 1999 times BB. Gee, I am OK, because I have not hit 2000.
It may be the first time, or it may not happen after 5,000 times.
Bottom line: Is it possible to get an STD or HIV from BB sex at any time? Answer: YES.
BB sex is only 10X more risky for HIV than BBBJs? Can that be right?
"Estimated per-act risk for acquisition of HIV by exposure route."
"Estimated infections per 10, 000 exposures to an infected source."
"Insertive penile-vaginal intercourse. 5.
"Man being fellated. 0.5.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV
See "transmission" section.
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"Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent." R Laing.
TravelCollector
07-22-11, 07:27
BB sex is only 10X more risky for HIV than BBBJs? Can that be right?
"Estimated per-act risk for acquisition of HIV by exposure route."
"Estimated infections per 10, 000 exposures to an infected source."
"Insertive penile-vaginal intercourse. 5.
"Man being fellated. 0.5.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV
See "transmission" section.
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"Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent." R Laing.BBBJ you can catch herpes I, and bacterial infections such as the Gonorrhea / clap and guanaria. You'd have to have blood in the mouth to catch HIV that way, so almost no chance I think. Same with DFK. There aare STD charts around, the San Francisco clinic has one on their website.
BBBJ you can catch herpes I, and bacterial infections such as the Gonorrhea / clap and guanaria. You'd have to have blood in the mouth to catch HIV that way, so almost no chance I think. Same with DFK. There aare STD charts around, the San Francisco clinic has one on their website.Thanks for that.
Who would have thunk?
From what I've heard, although the HIV coctail prolongs HIV patients lives, it also can have some nasty side affects like high blood pressure. And it can cause very high cholesteral. And many will ultimately die of heart attacks from the drug itself before they get past stage 3.I don't know if that's true or what the stats are on that, but I think this description would be much more applicable to the average American diet.
Although such a diet "prolongs lives", it can also have "some nasty side effects like high blood pressure. And it can cause very high cholesteral. And many will ultimately die of heart attacks" from the food itself.
I don't know if that's true or what the stats are on that, but I think this description would be much more applicable to the average American diet.
Although such a diet "prolongs lives", it can also have "some nasty side effects like high blood pressure. And it can cause very high cholesteral. And many will ultimately die of heart attacks" from the food itself.Good point. 50 million Americans are now considered Obese.
BTW. I did some research, and I found out that there's a different strain of HIV in Thailand. Barebacking sex workers has a risk as high as 1 in 300 of catching HIV.
The american HIV is more based on blood as in from gay / anal sex, which is why only 10% HIV+ in America is hetero. Here it's 80% HIV+ are hetero.
The infection rate from the HIV strain in America is 1 in 500-1000. Here it's 1 in 30-50. 2% thai are HIV+, but for sex workers it's 10% or more.
10% * 1 in 30 = 1 in 300.
http://thailandguru.com/hiv-aids-thailand.htmlInteresting link, but what I've been reading on the subject does not agree with a number of things you've posted above.
As regards the notion that the HIV-E strain dominant in Thailand is much more potent or far easier to catch than the HIV-B strain dominant in America, some more recent studies than that your source referred to did not support that theory.
The estimates for HIV infection in Siam I've been seeing are not your figure of 2 percent, but around 1% {0. 67-1. 5%} of the population. Even if we go with the high 10% number you gave for P4P TG's, consider the following comment:
"If we take Degan's number of 1/2000, and use 10% infection in the target group (and that is probably too large, but we'll go with it) , we arrive at 13, 862. 6 sexual encounters to have a 50% probability of infection. That's a different partner every single day for about 38 years, and then it is only even money you are infected."
IMO once BBing a random Thai sex worker would have a far lower risk probability for getting HIV than your rate of 1 in 300. I believe that is way off even if she is known to have the disease, so consider how much more wrong it is when you give that as a figure for a random BB encounter, that is, one with a P4P TG of unknown HIV status. According to Wikipedia under HIV transmission the risk is estimated at 1 in 2000 for an act of vaginal sex with a HIV positive female.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV
"I think the high rate of hetero infection in Thailand is simply due to the fact it is a more promiscuous society. The sex industry is so pervasive, there is simply more extramarital activity occuring. It remains to be proven that Subtype E is any more invasive. The fact that it has not become more prevalent in the West after many years contradicts the theory.
"Seems like a reach to me. Have they accounted for how huge the sex trade is in Thailand, needle use in Thailand. This is just a thought, but in the beginning, aids was thought of as a homosexual disease. Segregation between the orientations kept the spread to homosexuals for a long time. Would it not be hard to believe that hiv had its root in heterosexual sex in Thailand and that segregation again slows the transmission to the homosexual population, which could account for the 80% prevalence in heterorsexuals. I don't know, I just don't see that statistic as proof that E type is more transmissionable then B type"
"I figure that if there is any difference in reported HIV transmission route here in Thailand is probably more likely down to people not answering truthfully questions on how they got the virus. Can't Imagine that many Thais admitting to anal sex, gay sex or injecting drug use. Besides how would it account for the fact that HIV cases in Thailand are 70%+ males? Especially when it's far easier for women to catch than men.
"He rambles about how much easier subtype E is to acquire compared to other clades. If that was the case, it would have become dominant worldwide a long time ago! It doesn't make sense. The reason HIV is predominantly heterosexual in Thailand is same as why HIV is heterosexual in Africa. Rampant prostitution with low condom usage. Why look for complex answers when you have an obvious one? This guy may be a guru, but he doesn't sound anything like an HIV expert to me.
"Female to male transmission occurs more readily if the man is uncircumcized". In Thailand only 13% are circumcised, most of these Muslims. In the USA and Canada 70 and 30 percent are reported as being circumcised.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision
"This study basically says that they should look for other reasons why strain E is spreading so fast in South East Asia."
http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/71/10/8001.pdf
I've been a member here for years and never noticed these areas before, where there is tons of useful and interesting info:
Under the section "Special Interests" see "Safe Sex".
Under the heading "Opinions and Editorials" see "AIDS".
Both of these can be found at the following link:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forum.php
In the categories listed above there are also a number of other excellent topics that one might want to check out.
If you looked at the numbers the good old USA has 8 per million HIV and Thailand has LESS than 1 per-Million.
Liberal propaganda *You talking total HIV infections? If so, you may want to redo your math.
1 mil in US infected
total population 300, 000, 000
3,000 of every one million infected.
500, 000 in Thailand infected
total population 70, 000, 000
7,000 of every one miliion infected
As far as the % of your chances of getting it, you can toss that shit to the wind.
Bottom line:
Is it possible you could get HIV sleeping with one girl. Yes
Is it possible you could sleep with 1000's of girls and never get it. Yes
As far as the % of your chances of getting it, you can toss that shit to the wind.
Bottom line:
Is it possible you could get HIV sleeping with one girl. Yes.
Is it possible you could sleep with 1000's of girls and never get it. YesIt is "possible" to be struck by lightning today or win the multi million dollar lotto. But to consider the "chances" of those things happening or getting HIV from various activities like condom or bareback sexual intercourse is not an unreasonable mental exercise. For example, for a few random thoughts on the subject:
"Once again I will point out that CFS is far more dangerous than BBBJs. Ever heard of HIV? Hello? So instead of the OP asking SP's if they are reconsidering offering the latter, it would have made more sense to ask them if any intend to cease practicing the former. While that would have made more sense, safety wise, since it is way safer to offer BBBJs instead of CFS, it won't happen because it would make less cents. Obviously money, not safety, is the bottom line for SPs. Being a hooker is a very high risk profession."
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"They deteriorate in even the best of conditions, but even more rapidly in extremely cold or hot situations. Condom wrappers recommend storing the product at temperatures between 59 and 88 degrees Fahrenheit. One researcher found that, at major condom distribution points in New Jersey and New York, boxes of condoms were left outdoors in the ice and snow during the dead of winter. During the summer months, the researcher took photographs of eggs frying on the floors of dozens of trucks and containers where condoms were stored in temperatures exceeding 180 degrees. [5] High temperatures cause oxidation and freezing temperatures cause crystallization in some of the chemical compounds that make up condoms, leading to cracking, drying, shrinking and drastic loss of flexibility and strength. Keep in mind that condoms exported from the United States sit in uninsulated shipping containers in extreme weather conditions for even longer periods of time; , ___.
", Bodily secretions can get around and over a condom even if it performs perfectly."
http://www.hli.org/index.php/the-case-against-condoms/320?task=view
It is "possible" to be struck by lightning today or win the multi million dollar lotto. But to consider the "chances" of those things happening or getting HIV from various activities like condom or bareback sexual intercourse is not an unreasonable mental exercise. For example, for a few random thoughts on the subject:
"Once again I will point out that CFS is far more dangerous than BBBJs. Ever heard of HIV? Hello? So instead of the OP asking SP's if they are reconsidering offering the latter, it would have made more sense to ask them if any intend to cease practicing the former. While that would have made more sense, safety wise, since it is way safer to offer BBBJs instead of CFS, it won't happen because it would make less cents. Obviously money, not safety, is the bottom line for SPs. Being a hooker is a very high risk profession."
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"They deteriorate in even the best of conditions, but even more rapidly in extremely cold or hot situations. Condom wrappers recommend storing the product at temperatures between 59 and 88 degrees Fahrenheit. One researcher found that, at major condom distribution points in New Jersey and New York, boxes of condoms were left outdoors in the ice and snow during the dead of winter. During the summer months, the researcher took photographs of eggs frying on the floors of dozens of trucks and containers where condoms were stored in temperatures exceeding 180 degrees. [5] High temperatures cause oxidation and freezing temperatures cause crystallization in some of the chemical compounds that make up condoms, leading to cracking, drying, shrinking and drastic loss of flexibility and strength. Keep in mind that condoms exported from the United States sit in uninsulated shipping containers in extreme weather conditions for even longer periods of time; , ___.
", Bodily secretions can get around and over a condom even if it performs perfectly."
http://www.hli.org/index.php/the-case-against-condoms/320?task=viewYou'd be better off sourcing a more legitimate website. Something that has more of a specialized case study of condoms and hiv not some pro life religious affiliated organization
You'd be better off sourcing a more legitimate website. Something that has more of a specialized case study of condoms and hiv not some pro life religious affiliated organizationI've read a lot of so-called "legitimate websites" re condoms, but I've never seen the comments made about condoms that the one I just quoted did. In fact, I've never seen anyone anywhere say something like that. If a point is of interest or something that I'm curious about feedback on, I'll often post it to see if anyone can refute it or has anything of substance to say about it. Whether or not that point comes from a site by Satanists, Nuns, Geeks, or whatever is of little to no importance to me, although I'll usually site the source anyway. So it's all about learning rather than being nit picky.
I personally don't worry about HIV because I always use condoms. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, if you do get them, are curable.
The only think left to worry about, IMO, is herpes.
It's quite contagious. It's very widespread. You have it for life. Condoms offer no real protection from it.
When you see that around 1 in 3-4 Americans has genital herpes. People that on average probably have much less than 30 partners in their lifetime. Then what does that say about how many hookers are infected, given that they fuck hundreds or thousands of dudes? It should be a very high percentage.
I would like to see your thoughts on this.
And if experienced guys have been at this hobby for a long time, without catching it, I would like to hear from them too.
I personally don't worry about HIV because I always use condoms. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, if you do get them, are curable.
The only think left to worry about, IMO, is herpes.
It's quite contagious. It's very widespread. You have it for life. Condoms offer no real protection from it.Hepatitis?
I personally don't worry about HIV because I always use condoms. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, if you do get them, are curable.
The only think left to worry about, IMO, is herpes. It's quite contagious. It's very widespread. You have it for life. Condoms offer no real protection from it.
When you see that around 1 in 3-4 Americans has genital herpes. People that on average probably have much less than 30 partners in their lifetime. Then what does that say about how many hookers are infected, given that they fuck hundreds or thousands of dudes? It should be a very high percentage. I would like to see your thoughts on this. And if experienced guys have been at this hobby for a long time, without catching it, I would like to hear from them too."Genital herpes is a common STD, and most people with genital herpes infection do not know they have it.
You can get genital herpes even if your partner shows no signs of the infection.
If you have any symptoms (like a sore on your genitals, especially one that periodically recurs) laboratory tests can help determine if you have genital herpes.
There is no cure for herpes, but treatment is available to reduce symptoms and decrease the risk of transmission to a partner."
Source: http://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/
Treatments: L-lysine, Valtrex (Valaciclovir) , Virogon, acyclovir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aciclovir
http://www.mims.com/Thailand/drug/info/Virogon/Virogon%20tab.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valaciclovir
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysine
LittleBigMan
12-24-11, 07:47
I personally don't worry about HIV because I always use condoms. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, if you do get them, are curable.
The only think left to worry about, IMO, is herpes.
It's quite contagious. It's very widespread. You have it for life. Condoms offer no real protection from it.
When you see that around 1 in 3-4 Americans has genital herpes. People that on average probably have much less than 30 partners in their lifetime. Then what does that say about how many hookers are infected, given that they fuck hundreds or thousands of dudes? It should be a very high percentage.
I would like to see your thoughts on this.
And if experienced guys have been at this hobby for a long time, without catching it, I would like to hear from them too.Sorry but I think one on your list is wrong! Is Hiv curable now?
LBM
--The only think left to worry about, IMO, is herpes.A bit more from the CDC:
Genital Herpes.
What is genital herpes?
Genital herpes is a sexually transmitted disease (STD) caused by the herpes simplex viruses type 1 (HSV-1) or type 2 (HSV-2). Most genital herpes is caused by HSV-2. Most individuals have no or only minimal signs or symptoms from HSV-1 or HSV-2 infection. When signs do occur, they typically appear as one or more blisters on or around the genitals or rectum. The blisters break, leaving tender ulcers (sores) that may take two to four weeks to heal the first time they occur. Typically, another outbreak can appear weeks or months after the first, but it almost always is less severe and shorter than the first outbreak. Although the infection can stay in the body indefinitely, the number of outbreaks tends to decrease over a period of years.
How common is genital herpes?
Results of a nationally representative study show that genital herpes infection is common in the United States. Nationwide. 16. 2, or about one out of six, people 14 to 49 years of age have genital HSV-2 infection. Over the past decade, the percentage of Americans with genital herpes infection in the USA has remained stable.
Genital HSV-2 infection is more common in women (approximately one out of five women 14 to 49 years of age) than in men (about one out of nine men 14 to 49 years of age). Transmission from an infected male to his female partner is more likely than from an infected female to her male partner.
How do people get genital herpes?
HSV-1 and HSV-2 can be found in and released from the sores that the viruses cause, but they also are released between outbreaks from skin that does not appear to have a sore. Generally, a person can only get HSV-2 infection during sexual contact with someone who has a genital HSV-2 infection. Transmission can occur from an infected partner who does not have a visible sore and may not know that he or she is infected.
HSV-1 can cause genital herpes, but it more commonly causes infections of the mouth and lips, so-called 'fever blisters. ' HSV-1 infection of the genitals can be caused by oral-genital or genital-genital contact with a person who has HSV-1 infection. Genital HSV-1 outbreaks recur less regularly than genital HSV-2 outbreaks.
What are the signs and symptoms of genital herpes?
Most people infected with HSV-2 are not aware of their infection. However, if signs and symptoms occur during the first outbreak, they can be quite pronounced. The first outbreak usually occurs within two weeks after the virus is transmitted, and the sores typically heal within two to four weeks. Other signs and symptoms during the primary episode may include a second crop of sores, and flu-like symptoms, including fever and swollen glands. However, most individuals with HSV-2 infection never have sores, or they have very mild signs that they do not even notice or that they mistake for insect bites or another skin condition.
People diagnosed with a first episode of genital herpes can expect to have several (typically four or five) outbreaks (symptomatic recurrences) within a year. Over time these recurrences usually decrease in frequency. It is possible that a person becomes aware of the "first episode" years after the infection is acquired.
What are the complications of genital herpes?
Genital herpes can cause recurrent painful genital sores in many adults, and herpes infection can be severe in people with suppressed immune systems. Regardless of severity of symptoms, genital herpes frequently causes psychological distress in people who know they are infected.
In addition, genital HSV can lead to potentially fatal infections in babies. It is important that women avoid contracting herpes during pregnancy because a newly acquired infection during late pregnancy poses a greater risk of transmission to the baby. If a woman has active genital herpes at delivery, a cesarean delivery is usually performed. Fortunately, infection of a baby from a woman with herpes infection is rare.
Herpes may play a role in the spread of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Herpes can make people more susceptible to HIV infection, and it can make HIV-infected individuals more infectious.
How is genital herpes diagnosed?
The signs and symptoms associated with HSV-2 can vary greatly. Health care providers can diagnose genital herpes by visual inspection if the outbreak is typical, and by taking a sample from the sore (s) and testing it in a laboratory. HSV infections can be diagnosed between outbreaks by the use of a blood test. Blood tests, which detect antibodies to HSV-1 or HSV-2 infection, can be helpful, although the results are not always clear-cut.
Is there a treatment for herpes?
There is no treatment that can cure herpes, but antiviral medications can shorten and prevent outbreaks during the period of time the person takes the medication. In addition, daily suppressive therapy for symptomatic herpes can reduce transmission to partners.
How can herpes be prevented?
The surest way to avoid transmission of sexually transmitted diseases, including genital herpes, is to abstain from sexual contact, or to be in a long-term mutually monogamous relationship with a partner who has been tested and is known to be uninfected.
Genital ulcer diseases can occur in both male and female genital areas that are covered or protected by a latex condom, as well as in areas that are not covered. Correct and consistent use of latex condoms can reduce the risk of genital herpes.
Persons with herpes should abstain from sexual activity with uninfected partners when lesions or other symptoms of herpes are present. It is important to know that even if a person does not have any symptoms he or she can still infect sex partners. Sex partners of infected persons should be advised that they may become infected and they should use condoms to reduce the risk. Sex partners can seek testing to determine if they are infected with HSV. A positive HSV-2 blood test most likely indicates a genital herpes infection.
Hepatitis?You can't get it if you use condoms properly.
Sorry but I think one on your list is wrong! Is Hiv curable now?No, what I meant is that, if you use condoms, you don't have to worry about HIV (yes, except the 1% chance of a crack or whatever, but let's not reopen that debate please). The other diseases such as gonorrhea (which you could get from a BBBJ) are no big deal since they are easily cured with antibiotics. Herpes isn't, once you have it, it's for life.
And guys, let's hear your opinions and experiences, not copy-pastes from Wikipedia and CDC.
I wish I could share from my own experience, but I've only mongered for a bunch of weeks (altogether), so I can hardly say I've really put myself in harm's way. If you've been mongering for years or decades, what's your take on this?
And guys, let's hear your opinions and experiences, not copy-pastes from Wikipedia and CDC.
Fcuk me!
My opinion is that just because some guy says his prick is dripping yellow and he cured it with eye of newt, are you going to believe him?
I guess objective, truthful information from reliable sources, (rather than speculative BS, e.g. "1 in 4 Americans..."), means very little these days.
Next time, well...I won't waste your time. Chok dee with your condoms.
MongerVirgin
12-24-11, 10:33
I got them from a well known establishment in BKK. Nothing that will kill you but tough to explain to your significant other if your are doing P4P while in BKK. While some people will be immune from its presentation, for me its a 4 month struggle to rid myself of the sight of them using the latest pharm creme. Since its a HPV that can be prevented by Guardasil, I would seriously consider getting the female shots if I were going into some serious P4P.
A bit more from the CDC:
Genital Herpes.
What is genital herpes?
Genital herpes is a sexually transmitted disease (STD) caused by the herpes simplex viruses type 1 (HSV-1) or type 2 (HSV-2). Most genital herpes is caused by HSV-2. Most individuals have no or only minimal signs or symptoms from HSV-1 or HSV-2 infection. When signs do occur, they typically appear as one or more blisters on or around the genitals or rectum. The blisters break, leaving tender ulcers (sores) that may take two to four weeks to heal the first time they occur. Typically, another outbreak can appear weeks or months after the first, but it almost always is less severe and shorter than the first outbreak. Although the infection can stay in the body indefinitely, the number of outbreaks tends to decrease over a period of years.
How common is genital herpes?
Results of a nationally representative study show that genital herpes infection is common in the United States. Nationwide. 16. 2, or about one out of six, people 14 to 49 years of age have genital HSV-2 infection. Over the past decade, the percentage of Americans with genital herpes infection in the USA has remained stable.
Genital HSV-2 infection is more common in women (approximately one out of five women 14 to 49 years of age) than in men (about one out of nine men 14 to 49 years of age). Transmission from an infected male to his female partner is more likely than from an infected female to her male partner.
How do people get genital herpes?
HSV-1 and HSV-2 can be found in and released from the sores that the viruses cause, but they also are released between outbreaks from skin that does not appear to have a sore. Generally, a person can only get HSV-2 infection during sexual contact with someone who has a genital HSV-2 infection. Transmission can occur from an infected partner who does not have a visible sore and may not know that he or she is infected.
HSV-1 can cause genital herpes, but it more commonly causes infections of the mouth and lips, so-called 'fever blisters. ' HSV-1 infection of the genitals can be caused by oral-genital or genital-genital contact with a person who has HSV-1 infection. Genital HSV-1 outbreaks recur less regularly than genital HSV-2 outbreaks.
What are the signs and symptoms of genital herpes?
Most people infected with HSV-2 are not aware of their infection. However, if signs and symptoms occur during the first outbreak, they can be quite pronounced. The first outbreak usually occurs within two weeks after the virus is transmitted, and the sores typically heal within two to four weeks. Other signs and symptoms during the primary episode may include a second crop of sores, and flu-like symptoms, including fever and swollen glands. However, most individuals with HSV-2 infection never have sores, or they have very mild signs that they do not even notice or that they mistake for insect bites or another skin condition.
People diagnosed with a first episode of genital herpes can expect to have several (typically four or five) outbreaks (symptomatic recurrences) within a year. Over time these recurrences usually decrease in frequency. It is possible that a person becomes aware of the "first episode" years after the infection is acquired.
What are the complications of genital herpes?
Genital herpes can cause recurrent painful genital sores in many adults, and herpes infection can be severe in people with suppressed immune systems. Regardless of severity of symptoms, genital herpes frequently causes psychological distress in people who know they are infected.
In addition, genital HSV can lead to potentially fatal infections in babies. It is important that women avoid contracting herpes during pregnancy because a newly acquired infection during late pregnancy poses a greater risk of transmission to the baby. If a woman has active genital herpes at delivery, a cesarean delivery is usually performed. Fortunately, infection of a baby from a woman with herpes infection is rare.
Herpes may play a role in the spread of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Herpes can make people more susceptible to HIV infection, and it can make HIV-infected individuals more infectious.
How is genital herpes diagnosed?
The signs and symptoms associated with HSV-2 can vary greatly. Health care providers can diagnose genital herpes by visual inspection if the outbreak is typical, and by taking a sample from the sore (s) and testing it in a laboratory. HSV infections can be diagnosed between outbreaks by the use of a blood test. Blood tests, which detect antibodies to HSV-1 or HSV-2 infection, can be helpful, although the results are not always clear-cut.
Is there a treatment for herpes?
There is no treatment that can cure herpes, but antiviral medications can shorten and prevent outbreaks during the period of time the person takes the medication. In addition, daily suppressive therapy for symptomatic herpes can reduce transmission to partners.
How can herpes be prevented?
The surest way to avoid transmission of sexually transmitted diseases, including genital herpes, is to abstain from sexual contact, or to be in a long-term mutually monogamous relationship with a partner who has been tested and is known to be uninfected.
Genital ulcer diseases can occur in both male and female genital areas that are covered or protected by a latex condom, as well as in areas that are not covered. Correct and consistent use of latex condoms can reduce the risk of genital herpes.
Persons with herpes should abstain from sexual activity with uninfected partners when lesions or other symptoms of herpes are present. It is important to know that even if a person does not have any symptoms he or she can still infect sex partners. Sex partners of infected persons should be advised that they may become infected and they should use condoms to reduce the risk. Sex partners can seek testing to determine if they are infected with HSV. A positive HSV-2 blood test most likely indicates a genital herpes infection.
Fon Tok, love your pics, dude. No need to get angry over this.
My opinion is that just because some guy says his prick is dripping yellow and he cured it with eye of newt, are you going to believe him?Hmm no. But if you told me,"I've mongered for 10 years and slept with hundreds of girls and I'm still disease-free", I would believe you. I would believe other positive or negative stories from other respected old hands of this forum whose nicknames I could recognize. If we got 15 opinions on this we might get closer to see if there is a big risk, or not.
I guess good, truthful information, (rather than speculative BS, e.g. "1 in 4 Americans."), means very little these days.No, the point is, we can all go to Google and type "herpes" and hit enter. The reason I ask here is to get feedback from experienced mongers.
And I stand corrected, indeed it's 1 in 6 americans; Although other sites say 1 in 4, I guess the CDC is more of an authority on this. My reasoning still stands that, if this is such a problem in the general population, the percentage must be way higher among our Soi Cowboy friends.
I have probably had a 1000 BBBJ's throughout the world. Never caught anything from them. I have gone BB a few times, even in SEA, never caught a thing.
I caught some type of a bacterial infection once. That was in the US from a girl I was dating. Go figure.
Also, on the Herpes, I know it is a problem all over the world. But I believe it seems to have spread more rapidly in the US. Just like some parts of the world have a higher HIV rate. I don't think the % of people in other countries have as high Herpes rate as US. I could be wrong. It does seem like a lot of people I have met have it.
A few quotes re herpes:
Herpes is not usually a serious medical condition. But many people have emotional concerns and issues regarding herpes.
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It is a lifelong infection that is more of an annoying skin condition for most people. Treatment is available to reduce symptoms and transmission but is not required.
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Herpes is a common sexually transmitted infection that is caused by the herpes simplex virus (HSV). There are two different types:
• HSV Type 1 occurs most often on or near the mouth and is often called a cold sore.
• HSV Type 2 occurs most often on or near the genitals and is often called genital herpes
• It is not uncommon to have Type 1 on the genitals and sometimes Type 2 on the mouth
How common is it?
Health Canada estimates that worldwide:
• 50% to 90% of adults have HSV type 1.
• 20% to 30% of adults have HSV type 2.
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The thing with HSV is that it can only gain entry through a weak spot in the skin or a mucous membrane (which doesn't have the hard outer layer of skin). Mucous membranes like the lining of the mouth, inside of nose, urethra in guys, rectum, vagina and the inside of the inner labia minora (small lips).
The skin of the hand has a strong outer layer which the HSV cannot get through unless you have a break in the skin. A common area to have a break in the skin on the hands is around the finger nails e. G. Hang nails, biting the nails. A herpes infection on the finger tips is called herpes whitlow and is something you used to see on dentist and health care workers doing mouth care until gloves were used.
Another way to get breaks in skin is from the act of sex, with the genitals grinding together you end up with little microscopic tears on the skin which allows the virus to get into the body.
To answer your question if you were fingering a woman who had HSV and you had a cut on your hand I guess it could pass to your finger. The reason it is not passed from contact with other body parts is that these body parts typically don't come in contact with the mouth / genitals or the skin is thick enough that we don't see HSV passing.
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Already having an oral HSV type 1 infection (cold sores) , does make it very unlikely that you will get the same type on a different part of the body e. G. On the genitals.
You can't get it if you use condoms properly.You can get hepatitus C still, even if you use condoms properly, because condoms often fail. You can and should get vaccinated for hep A and B.
No, what I meant is that, if you use condoms, you don't have to worry about HIV (yes, except the 1% chance of a crack or whatever, but let's not reopen that debate please).It's about 1% for manufacturing defects leading to condom breakages. Then add to that percentage for condom slippage. Add again for other possibilities like improper storage, being left out in the snow or heat during transport, sabatoge, failure to use perfectly 100% of the time, which includes not stopping immediately when you cum, accidents, etc, etc. I suggest condoms make one about 10 times safer on average than bareback sex. But let's not reopen this debate, if there ever was one. We don't like to think about things like that, or that condom sex is far more dangerous than a BBBJ!
The other diseases such as gonorrhea (which you could get from a BBBJ) are no big deal since they are easily cured with antibiotics. Herpes isn't, once you have it, it's for life.There is a remote chance of getting HIV from a BBBJ. While herpes at worst is usually nothing more than an occasional skin condition like acne, HPV can lead to various types of cancer. Perhaps you should be more concerned about that?
http://www.cdc.gov/STD/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm
And guys, let's hear your opinions and experiences, not copy-pastes from Wikipedia and CDC.In about 7 years of active pooning, including many bbbjs, dozens of bb sex episodes, DFK, etc, I've caught one very minor std which was like having a two second itch on my ass.
If you want to play it very safe with hookers, my opinion is to wrap it up and have her tested negative for hiv etc before playing. IMO these are equally important. You can also get a vaccine for HPV.
I wish I could share from my own experience, but I've only mongered for a bunch of weeks (altogether) , so I can hardly say I've really put myself in harm's way. If you've been mongering for years or decades, what's your take on this?There you have it. From what I've read some guys do it for years even decades and never get anything. Others get it their first time. But I'm sure you knew that, so what is it exactly you're looking for here?
For the sake of discussion I will tread onward.
Fon Tok, love your pics, dude. No need to get angry over this.Thanks, Angry? Nope, just providing information to inform the discussion.
Hmm no. But if you told me,"I've mongered for 10 years and slept with hundreds of girls and I'm still disease-free", I would believe you. I would believe other positive or negative stories from other respected old hands of this forum whose nicknames I could recognize. If we got 15 opinions on this we might get closer to see if there is a big risk, or not.Anyone who has mongered for 10+ years and never caught some type of STD, or communicable disease, is either a very lucky person, or just shy about telling the truth. Ironically, prostitutes are often much better at practicing safe sex and birth control than non-P4P sexual partners. The risk for a woman to catch herpes from a man is much higher than vice versa.
No, the point is, we can all go to Google and type "herpes" and hit enter. The reason I ask here is to get feedback from experienced mongers.Anecdotal information about health conditions only gets you so far in a pursuit for knowledge. As the "official" herpes information indicates, a person may have it and never know. So, if an ISG "old hand" says he never has contracted herpes, he possibly may have been a carrier for a long time.
And I stand corrected, indeed it's 1 in 6 americans; Although other sites say 1 in 4, I guess the CDC is more of an authority on this. My reasoning still stands that, if this is such a problem in the general population, the percentage must be way higher among our Soi Cowboy friends.I would consider the US CDC to be one of the better resources for objective medical information on the web. Another trusted resource is the Mayo Clinic. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/genital-herpes/DS00179
Do you think anyone on the forum is going to directly write they have herpes, and this (or that) is what they do about it?
I have probably had a 1000 BBBJ's throughout the world. Never caught anything from them. I have gone BB a few times, even in SEA, never caught a thing.
Thanks Luvpuss; that's the kind of feedback I'm looking for. I imagine this also includes 1000 times intercourse, with condom?
Also, on the Herpes, I know it is a problem all over the world. But I believe it seems to have spread more rapidly in the US.Yes. But since a lot of Americans come to BKK to monger, the problem and those percentages have consequences here. It seems likely that at least 3 out of 4 pros are infected - http://ijsa.rsmjournals.com/content/17/6/395.abstract
Anyone who has mongered for 10+ years and never caught some type of STD, or communicable disease, is either a very lucky person, or just shy about telling the truth.So you're saying anyone who has been at this for a long time is probably infected? Has that been your experience or have you seen many friends getting infected?
Ironically, prostitutes are often much better at practicing safe sex and birth control than non-P4P sexual partners.Absolutely agreed, but they can't protect themselves against herpes.
Do you think anyone on the forum is going to directly write they have herpes, and this (or that) is what they do about it?? Why not? People here have talked about getting all sort of diseases and problems in the past. This thread is full of them.
If people are too shy to talk about themselves, they can always say "a lot of the friends who started mongering with me in 2000 are infected", or what not.
What the hell?
Thanks Luvpuss; that's the kind of feedback I'm looking for. I imagine this also includes 1000 times intercourse, with condom?And, this makes you feel more informed and confident?
Yes. But since a lot of Americans come to BKK to monger, the problem and those percentages have consequences here.You know for a fact a lot of Americans come to Bangkok to Hoe around? Americans overall are a small percentage of visitors to TH. There is not a lot of information about HSV incidence among other populations. The highest number of visitors to Thailand come from Asia and Europe. Logic would lead us to believe these people may have HSV, as well.
So you're saying anyone who has been at this for a long time is probably infected? Has that been your experience or have you seen many friends getting infected?No. I'm saying that some people are infected that don't know it. And, we do know a lot of ISG member prefer bareback sex.
Absolutely agreed, but they can't protect themselves against herpes.Yes, they can. Why do you think MP ladies wash a customer's dick before a session? To admire its size? Condoms do help prevent HSV, but it can be contracted by contact other than sex. Just rubbing against a sore can transmit it.
? Why not? People here have talked about getting all sort of diseases and problems in the past. This thread is full of them.Let's see who jumps up on here for this one.
If people are too shy to talk about themselves, they can always say "a lot of the friends who started mongering with me in 2000 are infected", or what not.
You're funny... ;) Merry Christmas from Bangkok!
And, this makes you feel more informed and confident?It's a data point and hopefully we'll got more from other members.
I'm not sure why you are being antagonistic. Merry Christmas.
I'm not sure why you are being antagonistic. Merry Christmas.Relaxxxxx, just having some fun! :)
You like to fuck Thai girls in the rear end?
The following claims Greek (anal sex) WITH a condom is as risky as vaginal intercourse without a rubber (BBFS).
Well. Yes. Statically speaking of course. Anal sex with condom is MORE risky for transmitting Hiv over BBFS.
This is using statistics. With condom manufactures claimed effectiveness ratings. Most I believe say 97% per use, or sometimes 85% effective over a year. Its easiest to use the 97% as who knows how often they think people have sex in a year. Combined with current medical estimates for Hiv transmission for receiving anal sex, compared to vaginal sex. Which is 10-50 times more likely. If we use these numbers, the two sex acts risks are very close. If we use the figure of 10 times higher transmission anal over vaginal. Then anal sex with condom is roughly a third the chance of contracting hiv over vaginal. If we use the 50 times figure. Then anal sex with a condom, is about a 50% greater chance to contract hiv over BBFS.
This is just me using figures provided by the condom manufactures, along with figures from current medical estimates. With some basic second year stats.
But regardless, both acts are very similar in risk, within a magnitude for sure. No matter what methodology or ranges you use.
Currently one is a common offering, the other is considered a deathwish.Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV
#Transmission
Professor Hahm states that "Condom use is hard in a culture where women are raised to be accomodating and polite".
http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/news-cms/news/?dept=692&id=52827
With Thailand having such a high rate of HIV among its general population and especially its sex workers,"partying without a hat" is especially dangerous relative to a Western nation like, say, Canada or Germany. But there is still much those who partake can do to make themselves safer:
1. Both parties recently STD tested, negative on all tests, sharing the results with each other.
2. The guy does not finish inside the prostitute.
3. One or both are fixed as far as making babies is concerned, or at least she's on the pill.
4. Seeing a low mileage prostitute, one with few (or no other) customers.
5. Seeing a hooker / client who shows evidence that he / she does BBFS with few (if any others) besides you.
6. Being circumcised, which may reduce risk for HIV by up to 70, compared to condoms at about 85%
7. Don't partake with the drug addicted such IDU
I must post this somewhere but I recently went to Pattaya and in a completely idiotic move I nailed my regular TGF and a completely random bar girl from windmill club without a condom. I still don't know why I did that but the last few weeks have been hell. My TGF is not in the industry but does turn a few tricks to make ends meet.
So I just got my negative results back for HIV and some other stds. For me its a lesson in forward thinking. I feel like the dumbest mother funker in the world.
My post its neither condoning nor anti BBFS. I just had to get this out.
Hatguy,
Both your TGF and the BG are risky partners. Instead of feeling like the dumbest MF in the world maybe you should feel like the luckiest.
1. Both parties recently STD tested, negative on all tests, sharing the results with each other.
2. The guy does not finish inside the prostitute.
3. One or both are fixed as far as making babies is concerned, or at least she's on the pill.
4. Seeing a low mileage prostitute, one with few (or no other) customers.
5. Seeing a hooker / client who shows evidence that he / she does BBFS with few (if any others) besides you.
6. Being circumcised, which may reduce risk for HIV by up to 70, compared to condoms at about 85%
7. Don't partake with the drug addicted such IDUNumber one should be: use your head, and some fucking condoms.
My TGF is not in the industry but does turn a few tricks to make ends meet.Either your TGF is a prostitute or she is not. Can't have it both ways!
Number one should be: use your head, and some fucking condoms.Except the topic was BBFS, or rather how to have a safe or safer bareback sex {SBBFS) experience, so condom use for FS is necessarily excluded.
But if you like using condoms, they provide limited protection against STDs, including reducing the risk for HIV by about 85, which is nowhere near 100% protection.
Furthermore, with the 7 safety measures I mentioned, one engaging in BBFS is easily safer than a guy who uses condoms while lacking those 7 items.
So it is possible to be safer having BBFS than others using a condom. IOW you can have your cake & eat it too.
Either your TGF is a prostitute or she is not. Can't have it both ways!I totally agree with your assessments. Of course I feel like I am incredibly lucky. Thanks for the input.
Dash Riprock
03-13-12, 13:31
There are an awful lot of guys who are stuck in Thailand because they didn't stick with safe sex. To each his own of course.
there are an awful lot of guys who are stuck in thailand because they didn't stick with safe sex. to each his own of course.i don't see the connection between the two. did unsafe sex kill them & lead to a burial in siam? did it cost them so much they couldn't afford a return ticket home? did the unsafe sex police catch them in the act & escort offenders to the "bkk hilton"? did they try it, like it, become addicted to it, & decide they were not going home? i'm confused.
"porn industry could pull out of la if condoms required"
"it has been battered in recent years, however, by the recession and the increased popularity of free internet porn, and kernes and others say requiring condoms would further erode business.
"they say consumers, particularly those overseas, have made it clear they won't watch films when the actors use condoms, complaining that it is distracting and ruins the fantasy.
"condoms aren't needed, filmmakers say, because the industry already polices itself. production companies require that actors be tested for sexually transmitted diseases a minimum of every 30 days when they are working.
"industry officials say no cases of hiv have been directly linked to porn films since 2004, adding they fear if the industry rep001ters to areas outside of los angeles that testing could fall by the wayside, exposing performers to more risk.
" "if someone is going to catch an std it's usually out of the business because we are tested so often," said veteran porn actress and producer tabitha stevens.
"in her 17 years in the business, stevens said, she has worked both with and without condoms. although she prefers to use condoms, acknowledging they do increase safety, she said the choice should be left up to the performers and not mandated by a government agency.
" "if you want to wear them, wear them. if you don't, don't. that's up to the talent to decide. it shouldn't be up to the government to decide," she said.
http://www.ctv.ca/ctvnews/entertainment/20120118/pornographers-threaten-to-leave-los-angeles-over-condom-requirement-120118/
"aim healthcare foundation has stated that the rate of stds in adult film actors in production companies that follow the aim testing protocols is 2. 4% which they state is "considerably lower than the average for sexually active young people with similar demographics."[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/aids_in_the_pornographic_film_industry
Either your TGF is a prostitute or she is not. Can't have it both ways!Whats your problem mate?
He stated it very honestly that she was only a part time pro probably with another ordinary job or temporarily unemployed. There are no unemployment handouts from the governement. This is real common in Thailand that girls are struggling to make ends meet, go to a pickup place, find some guy they would like to have fun with, refusing any guy they don't like, often not even negotiating a price, and then accept a tip afterwards to help pay the rent. In western society there also exist girls who supposedly fuck for free, but choose only guys with big money they will spend big on them, e. G. A new iphone.
What about girls who accept the guy paying for expensive dinner etc. And provide a fuck in return? They must be hookers too.
Thailand is a place where the line between non-pro and pro can be blurred by many part-timers. Any horny girl could accept money after sex if she is really in deep financial problems. There are other girls who just don't consider it for religious or social-stigma reasons, but are still desperate for money. Sex provision is a way for girls to make money and we all like it. Otherwise these young stunners would never want to go with us.
.Thailand is a place where the line between non-pro and pro can be blurred by many part-timers. Any horny girl could accept money after sex if she is really in deep financial problems. There are other girls who just don't consider it for religious or social-stigma reasons, but are still desperate for money. Sex provision is a way for girls to make money and we all like it. Otherwise these young stunners would never want to go with us.How true! Not to forget the useless younger brothers back in Isan (there always are some) , who need money for motorbike, whiskey or even a lao girl (300 Baht) Poor Big sister has to take care of them all!
But if you like using condoms, they provide limited protection against STDs, including reducing the risk for HIV by about 85, which is nowhere near 100% protection.okay from niaid.nih.gov:
"There is demonstrated exposure to HIV / AIDS through sexual intercourse with a regular partner (with an absence of other HIV / AIDS risk factors). Longitudinal studies of HIV- sexual partners of HIV+ infected cases allow for the estimation of HIV / AIDS incidence among condom users and condom non-users. From the two incidence estimates, consistent condom use decreased the risk of HIV / AIDS transmission by approximately 85."
Does consistent use mean 100% with same long term partner? Probably the figures are including anal sex between males which is quite risky for the receiver, and bound to have a condom malfunction sooner or later. I believe the safety percentage of condom for normal sex with a girl would be likely to be better. I would like to see a better breakdown of the figures between females, males, and the practices they engage in. Another factor is that people interviewed are not always 100% truthful. It is well known that people in a study see themselves in a better light than what they actually are. This famously caused researchers like Kinsey and Masters & Johnson to publish a lot of exaggerated bullshit.
A non-defective condom is impervious to HIV virus so it all boils down to probability of breakage, slipping off or leakage from partial slip, or getting a defective condom, or other non-analysed risks. Risk of condom slippage / breakage is quoted to be 1. 6 to 3. 6.
Your other 7 precautions are all very good but not always practical with a girl you don't know very well. If a Pro is willing to go bareback with you, then she is willing with others too. But why do you care since you claim condoms weren't that effective anyway.
Both getting a proper test at the clinic is good, since although it does not prove anything, it certainly reduces the risk percentage a lot, as HIV is detectable after just weeks these days.
A man already has a very low risk of catching HIV from a woman, and condom probably reduces this by a further 95% for a single about of sex, or even more if condom doesn't slip off or break, or get damaged. Defective condoms are a very low percentage (less than 1%). If you have many sessions with the same partner the risk increases obviously as sooner or later you will get a condom malfunction event.
For women, the risks are far greater than for a man (as high as 50% if man is HIV+) without a condom, but still reduced by a very large percentage if condom doesn't break or slip off. It seems that lack of education makes girls risk it, hoping for good luck in which guys they fuck.
Risks for oral sex are far lower. I was discussing HIV only here. Clearly other STDs are far easier to catch than HIV. My mate caught Gonor (sorry can't spell it) very rapidly from his recent trip to Thailand with BBFS. Chlamydia is also real easy to catch (I know from experience despite condom use) and can be transferred on even on fingers. I agree that condoms give limited protection for STDs overall.
I only go bareback with GF (who is trustworthy and always used to insist on condoms) , since I can't afford to catch STDs easily. Mongering for a few days after departing from GF is also a good strategy, as if should catch something despite precautions, can get plenty of time to treat it before resuming with GF.
With condom usage and choosing suitable girls (those that insist on condoms and not druggies) , I don't feel any threat of HIV. I could be struck by lightning. I repeat a lot with more careful girls.
So it is possible to be safer having BBFS than others using a condom.It's amazing what people will tell themselves to justify whatever it is they want to keep doing.
AussieDoug
03-14-12, 12:10
It's amazing what people will tell themselves to justify whatever it is they want to keep doing.I don't know what you blokes expect, you take a risk. I have been enjoying Thailand, Hong Kong and Singapore and a few trips to Kuala Lumpur over the last 15 years. 200 trips in all, all of it bareback, caught one dose of the clap and once a suspected NSU. I stay religeously away from back doors, but did indulge once covered and it simply did not grab me. So I guess I was lucky. 35 years ago I lived in Hong Kong, the local lads used to go for a weekend to Bangkok and see who could catch the clap first, the usual idea was to take two girls, the girls knew who was clean and who wasn't, and after many trips nobody caught anything. Of course, there was not the HIV scare about then, but why would thai women be that much more at risk now than they were then. You know, of all the people I know, I do not know anyone who has caught HIV from a girl, and they tell me they do not know anyone who has caught HIV from a girl, and I would guess this would continue down the daisy chain a long way. If you are a normal up-the-snatch fucker you will have little to worry about, but start stuffing around with drugs and anal sex and you will get caught IMHO,
Dash Riprock
03-14-12, 14:55
I don't see the connection between the two. Did unsafe sex kill them & lead to a burial in Siam? Did it cost them so much they couldn't afford a return ticket home? Did the unsafe sex police catch them in the act & escort offenders to the "BKK Hilton"? Did they try it, like it, become addicted to it, & decide they were not going home? I'm confused.Pretty simple, they are here with kids with partners they probably didn't intend to spend the rest of their lives with; and they are still here years and decades later despite just planning to be here on vacation. And a lot of times, it doesn't even get that far. Not uncommon to see local women with children from multiple fathers, both local and foreign. These guys you hear about taking balcony dives aren't just distraught over the lack of world peace. These guys have burned bridges and kids that are growing and will only require more and more financial resources that all too often, they have no way of providing. Will focus on the foreign aspect as that's probably more relevant to this forum. Sure, it happens all over the world, but the problem with it happening here is there's a significant immigration and labor 'pressure' from a legal standpoint against foreigners so you end up with a lot of guys treading water, with kids, and partners that likely have a 4th or 5th grade education.
The local 'hook' that most prostitutes use is bareback sex after a whirlwind 2-3 days of 'getting to know each other. ' Non pros too (simply add on a week to a month in the time frame). Because 'you're special' 'we're in love now' 'it's just us now, we're a couple. ' etc. Etc. And well, after that it's only a matter of how healthy both of their reproductive systems are. Been through the cycle myself dozens of times, I'm just thankful for the blind luck.
I don't know what you blokes expect, you take a risk. I have been enjoying Thailand, Hong Kong and Singapore and a few trips to Kuala Lumpur over the last 15 years. 200 trips in all, all of it bareback, caught one dose of the clap and once a suspected NSU. So I guess I was lucky.Yes you seem incredibly lucky. My buddy arrives in Thailand. Less than 1 week later he has the clap already. Had to get 2 girls treated as well as he did not know which of the two he got it from. Only two girls barebacked and he has a dose already. He then abstained from all sex for several days (what a waste). I say be extra careful with bar girls that are doing this all the time.
Yes you seem incredibly lucky. My buddy arrives in Thailand. Less than 1 week later he has the clap already. Had to get 2 girls treated as well as he did not know which of the two he got it from. Only two girls barebacked and he has a dose already. He then abstained from all sex for several days (what a waste). I say be extra careful with bar girls that are doing this all the time.Be careful with BG that are doing this all the time? That is about 90%+ of the BG's. Most will tell you "I only do with you".
Sorry if I stirred up things here. I was extremely pleased that I did not get hiv but also that no clap or other std. Its back to covered stuff for me from now on. Of course BBBJ is very hard to resist so I don't know about that but FS will be covered.
I must say I was very surprised when I took a girl from Soi 6 in Dec because she was so careful about condoms etc. It really was good as I had read that the girls down there are kinda naughty. Hoping to see her again someday.
Sorry if I stirred up things here. I was extremely pleased that I did not get hiv but also that no clap or other std. Its back to covered stuff for me from now on. Of course BBBJ is very hard to resist so I don't know about that but FS will be covered.
I must say I was very surprised when I took a girl from Soi 6 in Dec because she was so careful about condoms etc. It really was good as I had read that the girls down there are kinda naughty. Hoping to see her again someday.At least you were honest. Dudes will not admit it. They don't want to be judged by others. I don't really understand it since this is an anonymous site where we talk about paying girls to fuck. They probably will tell you they don't watch porn, don't drink and drive, don't screw around on their wife,don't cheat on taxes, don't jack off, etc.
Easily, more than half of guys go BB in Pattaya. My guess is 75 to 80% of the guys do. That is why they travel thousands of miles. Bareback is easy and cheap. There is really nothing better than shooting a wad of cum into a warm, wet, tight Thai pussy. Yum.
And on the BBBJ. I would kick the girl out of the room if she did not BBBJ or kiss. Those are a minimum in my book.
At least you were honest. Dudes will not admit it.Despite being anonymous, dudes certainly have fantasies and write bullshit at times, trying to be something they are not. So no-one should believe everything they read in a forum."Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see" is valuable advice.
LoverboyJerico
03-15-12, 09:48
Everybody seems to be enjoying Bareback too much, but guys what about your safety. If you bareback in Thai, You're sure to DIE!
Wolvenvacht
03-15-12, 20:41
Everybody seems to be enjoying Bareback too much, but guys what about your safety. If you bareback in Thai, You're sure to DIE!I never go bareback and try to limit my exposure to any bad germs, but telling that "you're sure to die" if you go bareback is wrong and will not help anyone. If what you say is true then the streets of Pattaya should be littered with dead and dying farang.
It will be next to impossible to get any meaningful statistics, but I guess that far less men go BB than we imagine.
Everybody seems to be enjoying Bareback too much, but guys what about your safety. If you bareback in Thai, You're sure to DIE!Wolvenvacht, I don't know if English is your first language but Jerico's post is DRIPPING with sarcasm!
Member #4351
03-16-12, 03:01
Wolvenvacht, I don't know if English is your first language but Jerico's post is DRIPPING with sarcasm!I wouldn't be too sure of that. Read back on his previous posts. I think he is serious.
Dash Riprock
03-16-12, 05:23
You're probably not going to die, but if I were a betting person, I'd say your odds for herpes are pretty good. Not sure if that's going to bring about sighs of relief though.
Wolvenvacht
03-16-12, 07:53
Wolvenvacht, I don't know if English is your first language but Jerico's post is DRIPPING with sarcasm!English is indeed not my first language (Dutch is my first language, French second, English third and German fourth and then I stopped counting) , but I am not so sure if Jerico's post is full of sarcasm. From his posts I read a pre-occupation with STDs and not all of his information seems always up to date or very practical.
Tony Hoeprano
03-16-12, 08:14
Usually girls will allow barebacking on the 2nd or 3rd time of love-making. Most "non-p4p" will allow for bareback, which is why I like the dating sites LOL.
Has anyone ever heard of a farang getting a bar girl pregnant on a simple one night ST or LT barfine?
LoverboyJerico
03-16-12, 08:19
I agree to my friends here that the die thing was an extreme statement. Apologies if I have offended someone but guys I just thought that I'd just put some things in perspective as I have seen some one getting into THE DISEASE and then feeling sorry that he did that to himself and also to his wife. Also as I am new to mongering I have to admit that I am a little scared and skeptical even with a condom. So barebacking is like no entry zone for me!
English is indeed not my first language (Dutch is my first language, French second, English third and German fourth and then I stopped counting) , but I am not so sure if Jerico's post is full of sarcasm. From his posts I read a pre-occupation with STDs and not all of his information seems always up to date or very practical.
I guess that far less men go BB than we imagine.If I have to believe the numbers quoted in this thread, it seems to be much more than I ever imagined.
Usually girls will allow barebacking on the 2nd or 3rd time of love-making. Most "non-p4p" will allow for bareback, which is why I like the dating sites LOL.
Has anyone ever heard of a farang getting a bar girl pregnant on a simple one night ST or LT barfine?How would they know or a certain farang on just one night? They are screwing all different races, including Thais just about every night.
Tony Hoeprano
03-17-12, 01:05
Yeah, that's true. At the very least they could tell if the father is thai or falang LOL.
Do you think anyone on the forum is going to directly write they have herpes, and this (or that) is what they do about it?Most, but not all, of the long term expats I know in BKK have herpes, HPV, or both and most are religious about condom use. It is simply a numbers game. At the oilies and soapies I often see warts on girls. I tell them they have a problem, but I bet most don't get it treated as there is no pain from HPV until they develop cervical cancer.
Most, but not all, of the long term expats I know in BKK have herpesThat's scary. I don't worry that much about HPV since I've fucked so many girls (non-pros) already that my guess is I have it anyway. But herpes I would like to avoid.
Wolvenvacht
03-17-12, 11:38
That's scary. I don't worry that much about HPV since I've fucked so many girls (non-pros) already that my guess is I have it anyway. But herpes I would like to avoid.It is estimated 90% of the world's population carries the herpes virus, but with most it remains asymptomatic for long periods of time, with short episodes of inflammation at irregular intervals. Once you have it, you cannot ever get rid of it.
It is estimated 90% of the world's population carries the herpes virusThat can't be accurate. I've never seen a quote that high. What is your source?
Wolvenvacht
03-17-12, 12:54
That can't be accurate. I've never seen a quote that high. What is your source?Http://www.herpesonline.org/faq.html
80% of the population in the USA has Herpes-1. Add to that the Herpes-2 variant and the 90% is reached. It is enormously common but causes next to no problems. Treat it symptomatically and get over it.
Literally EVERYONE I know has had a cold sore on his/her lips at one time or another. And once you are infected you never get rid of it. Hence the very high number of infected people.
Http://www.herpesonline.org/faq.html
80% of the population in the USA has Herpes-1. Add to that the Herpes-2 variant and the 90% is reached. It is enormously common but causes next to no problems. Treat it symptomatically and get over it.
Literally EVERYONE I know has had a cold sore on his / her lips at one time or another. And once you are infected you never get rid of it. Hence the very high number of infected people.Not everyone. Even if 80% have cold sores, no more than 10-20% have HSV-2 "Genital" Herpes, and those would overlap the 80% significantly. I have never had a classic cold sore. At one time I was misdiagnosed (doctors can be dumb at times) to have them (several at same time) , but turned out to be a bacterial infection, easily treated with antibiotics. I have been tested for everything including special tests for Genital Herpes HSV-2 and came up negative for everything at that time. I will admit to having had Chlamydia, which is one of the easiest things to catch of all, and fortunately quickly cured.
Its true that Herpes HSV-1 has no stigma to it, but type 2 seems to have unwarranted stigma.
When I was young people were rather scared of catching genital Herpes, but that fear soon disappeared once HIV came on the scene. Certain HPV viruse strains are also far more more dangerous for women.
Not everyone. Even if 80% have cold sores, no more than 10-20% have HSV-2 "Genital" Herpes, and those would overlap the 80% significantly. I have never had a classic cold sore. At one time I was misdiagnosed (doctors can be dumb at times) to have them (several at same time) , but turned out to be a bacterial infection, easily treated with antibiotics. I have been tested for everything including special tests for Genital Herpes HSV-2 and came up negative for everything at that time. I will admit to having had Chlamydia, which is one of the easiest things to catch of all, and fortunately quickly cured.
Its true that Herpes HSV-1 has no stigma to it, but type 2 seems to have unwarranted stigma.
When I was young people were rather scared of catching genital Herpes, but that fear soon disappeared once HIV came on the scene. Certain HPV viruse strains are also far more more dangerous for women.That next.
I've had Genital Herpes for about 20 years. Got it from some street tramp in Tijuana, even using rubber. I'm sure she knew she had it, she just didn't care. You're wrong my friend. Herpes can be deadly. When your immune system is fighting any chronic virus, especially Herpes 6, it is compromised and opens the door for anything. Depending how run down you are, and how poorly nourished you are, and especially if you are drinking, it could be a dinner bell. Even chronic infections like dental will do it. These's a strong link between Herpes and oral cancer in men. I know from experience. I found these things out through research and from a doctor when I was fighting head and neck cancer (toncil, at age 45). Don't believe me, look it up for yourself. The good news though, is if you keep your immune system strong, you should be ok. Since I've been taking 2, 000 mg of L-Lysine and lots of powerful antioxidants, I haven't had an outbreak in years. I've been cancer free for 5 years too incidentally, and probably been exposed to HIV repeatedly. BTW, there's allot of misconception on HIV / AIDS too. I'll post on that next.
This is very controversial. Don't understand this the wrong way. This isn't to say that Auto Immune Deficiency Syndrome is not real. No one is saying that. It's very real and very deadly. And it's not to say you shouldn't use rubbers. You should.
This is to let people know that with antioxidants and a strong immune system one can be exposed to HIV many times and not contract it. Also that it can be reversed. An HIV diagnosis is not an AIDS diagnosis and is not a death sentence. Unless you get on all the anti virals and the other things they prescribe that weaken the immune system, Then it very well be. Most patients die of liver failure due to the meds. Gary Null and others have been reversing AIDS since before it was called that.
Dr. Luke Montagnier won the Nobel Prize for discovering the HIV virus. Here he is talking about how everything we are doing about AIDS wrong.
Again, don't be stupid and read this wrong. If you're banging hookers, use rubbers. There's plenty other dangerous stuff, like herpes which can be deadly (I posted my experience on that earlier) At home and especially when I travel, I use high doses of powerful antioxidants like Vitamin B, C, D, E, Quercetin, Curcumin, Glutathione, (must be reduced due to poor absorption) , Co Q10, and others. If you live abroad, you can order online. Swanson company has everything at a good price. I don't work for any vitamin company, this is just a heads up that I hope is helpful. You think Big Pharma wants anyone to know these things are preventable and curable with trillions spent so far? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQoNW7lOnT4
I would say 50%+ of people in middle age in US probably are carrying Gential Herpes. Some just have one mild breakout and never have another. Others may not even know they have it. It was called the "yuppy disease" in the early 80's. I have met many, many girls who have it.
I do think it seems to be more of a US issue as I do not hear about it as much overseas.
There are suppression drugs, but there is not guarantee with those. The issue is it can be transmitted even w / o a breakout.
This is to let people know that with antioxidants and a strong immune system one can be exposed to HIV many times and not contract it. Also that it can be reversed. An HIV diagnosis is not an AIDS diagnosis and is not a death sentence. Unless you get on all the anti virals and the other things they prescribe that weaken the immune system, Then it very well be. Most patients die of liver failure due to the meds. Gary Null and others have been reversing AIDS since before it was called that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQoNW7lOnT4Those of you who are buying into this, please PM me. I have a very profitable bridge you may be interested in investing in.
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I do think it seems to be more of a US issue as I do not hear about it as much overseas.Not necessarily true.
If you have a medical journal report or research information to support this claim, please share it with us?
If not, don't write unsubstantiated statements.
I would say 50%+ of people in middle age in US probably are carrying Gential Herpes. Some just have one mild breakout and never have another. Others may not even know they have it. It was called the "yuppy disease" in the early 80's. I have met many, many girls who have it.
I do think it seems to be more of a US issue as I do not hear about it as much overseas.
There are suppression drugs, but there is not guarantee with those. The issue is it can be transmitted even w / o a breakout.Figures I read estimate between 5% and 20%, not being certain due to symptomless people.
This is very controversial. Don't understand this the wrong way. This isn't to say that Auto Immune Deficiency Syndrome is not real. No one is saying that. It's very real and very deadly. And it's not to say you shouldn't use rubbers. You should.
This is to let people know that with antioxidants and a strong immune system one can be exposed to HIV many times and not contract it. Also that it can be reversed. An HIV diagnosis is not an AIDS diagnosis and is not a death sentence. Unless you get on all the anti virals and the other things they prescribe that weaken the immune system, Then it very well be. Most patients die of liver failure due to the meds. Gary Null and others have been reversing AIDS since before it was called that.
Dr. Luke Montagnier won the Nobel Prize for discovering the HIV virus. Here he is talking about how everything we are doing about AIDS wrong.Cure for HIV rate. Zero. I avoid word "AIDS" because its meaning is not clear. The video talks about more effective reduction in spread of HIV in Africa through nutrition to assist the body's natural defences against it, and make rates closer to western situation. This is not going as far as saying that once HIV has taken major hold in a person, it can be eradicated.
Cure for HIV rate. Zero. I avoid word "AIDS" because its meaning is not clear. The video talks about more effective reduction in spread of HIV in Africa through nutrition to assist the body's natural defences against it, and make rates closer to western situation. This is not going as far as saying that once HIV has taken major hold in a person, it can be eradicated.P. S. I do accept that HIV is very difficult to catch and that testing accurately is a big problem. I am far more concerned about catching other STDs, although Herpes is not at top of my personal list either.
This is very controversial. Don't understand this the wrong way. This isn't to say that Auto Immune Deficiency Syndrome is not real. No one is saying that. It's very real and very deadly. And it's not to say you shouldn't use rubbers. You should.
Etc.Thanks for this. I recommend this Gary Null film to all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGIH39uhKoo&feature=related
I only know of one guy who died of "AIDS". He was a Gay and I have no idea what others things he was involved in, e. G. Drugs.
Why is this? The dangers to normal healthy westerners who don't do drugs, are not anal sex receivers, seem to be nearly non-existent.
Studies have shown AIDs has a much higher correlation with Syphillus than with HIV, a virus that cannot be isolated and cannot be proved absolutly to exist in anyone.
LittleBigMan
03-19-12, 04:22
Thaivisa. Com today reported over 1 million Thais infected, rate is raising!
LBM
Thaivisa. Com today reported over 1 million Thais infected, rate is raising!
LBMIts wise to maintain levels of skepticism about what is reported in the media. Do top scientists all accept the same story? If you have blind faith in what governments and health organisations tells us, don't bother to watch the movie.
Another very inetresting video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTxvmKHYajQ&feature=related
I am not supporting the previous view about anti-oxidents. I support normal nuitrition and lack of recreational drug use.
LittleBigMan
03-19-12, 10:39
Its wise to maintain levels of skepticism about what is reported in the media. Do top scientists all accept the same story? If you have blind faith in what governments and health organisations tells us, don't bother to watch the movie.
Another very inetresting video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTxvmKHYajQ&feature=related
I am not supporting the previous view about anti-oxidents. I support normal nuitrition and lack of recreational drug use.Personally, I don't care what the stats are whether anti-oxidents work or not or what the percentage is for someone doing Bareback. Not to say I haven't done it myself from time to time when LBM takes control. I don't even care if it isn't a death sentence any longer! In the end I don't want to get it. And I'm sure for all those who speak about stats, skepticism and percentages don't either. Do as you please, believe as you may, but I wouldn't want to get it!
Enjoy as you please? LBM
AussieDoug
03-19-12, 11:52
Most of you guys would remember Starsky & Hutch TV series. Now the golly wog hair type was named Paul Michael Glasser and he married another Hollywood starlet as they usually do and had two kids. Anyhow, after about 6 years wifey comes down with HIV, she was a reformed drug user before marrying. Now the two kids are positive, that is really sad, but the husband who presumably has not spent all those years sitting on the dge of the bathtub wanking away is not positive.
Now, for all you darn yankees out there, listen to O Bummer, his everybody health care idea is a good one. The US has not free medical for social diseases, the cost of treating the clap at government level is peanuts in cost of drugs and a few dollars looking down a scope at the bug, so why have this stupidity, get the clap, and more importantly syphillis, out of your community.
And really there are not 1 million HIV sufferers in Thailand, not in the commercial sex industry anyhow, but there are a lot of IV drug users, mostly young men who ride motor bikes, and a serious punter can spot them and their girlfriends. Most of the girls will baulk at taking an aspirin, drug taking is not that entrenched in the BG trade at all. The "HIV give us money" industry has just about run it's course, they have now seized on climate change to find another teat to feed on. Most bhuddists are not suicidal, and many bargirls fully intend to get out of the game and live happily ever after, ergo very few are into drugs.
I only know of one guy who died of "AIDS". He was a Gay and I have no idea what others things he was involved in, e. G. Drugs.
Why is this? The dangers to normal healthy westerners who don't do drugs, are not anal sex receivers, seem to be nearly non-existent.Ok. You know the millions of people reported to have died of AIDS. What do you think they have actually died of?
Cure for HIV rate. Zero. I avoid word "AIDS" because its meaning is not clear. The video talks about more effective reduction in spread of HIV in Africa through nutrition to assist the body's natural defences against it, and make rates closer to western situation. This is not going as far as saying that once HIV has taken major hold in a person, it can be eradicated.What I'm saying is no one has to let it get a hold of them or even contract it in the first place. The guy in the video won the Nobel Prize for the discovery of HIV and he's seen how the pharm industry has jumped on the opportunity. The interviewer asked, so if you have a good immune system the body can naturally get rid of HIV. His answer was one word. Yes. And it happens all the time. People clear up hiv diagnosis regularly. BTW, I think someone else wrote about how a false positive is easy to get. About your first point, The meaning of AIDS is clear. Auto Immune Deficiency syndrome. And its real, its deadly and millions die from it. You are right, a bunch of vitamin C won't get rid of it. But fortunately you're wrong about the cure rate. People have been taken from 80 pounds on their death bed to fully healthy, and HIV negative. But not by drugs. Its done by the way he said. Treating the symptoms, detoxifying, and then building up the immune system with intravenous be-12, C, ozone, Gludathion, etc. My friends, I'm just trying nothing more than to help you out with a heads up to keep up on the supplements, and you'll have allot less to worry about. Besides that, the side effect is you will stay younger longer, less sickness, and get to bang allot more hot girls. Thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQoNW7lOnT4
who are hetero and you know for a fact they have gotten HIV from vaginal sex. Your answer showed be zero. Are you with these dudes 24/7? No, I bet not. That is because a lot pf people lie about their sexual habits. It is estimated over 50% lie about sexual and drug use history to their doctor. Why should they tell you the truth? I can show you several studies that support this.
There are many, many, bi sexual, gay, ladyboys lovers, drug users who are in the closet. A lot who get it say they got it from hetero because they do not want the stigma or judgement of being labeled with another type of sexual orientation.
Many people I know are anti gay. If you got HIV it would be much more acceptable to tell them you dated several women and made a mistake not using a condom and caught it. They would feel sorry for your poor judgement. If you admit to gay they would judge with: Just another f-g pervert and probably avoid future contact.
Rudy Ray Moore: out of curiosity, what supplements do you take and where do you get them from? It would be nice to get a list of what you take and why, since you seem to have done some research.
I don't deny that there large numbers of people that died of diseases often labelled "AIDS", when they happened to test "HIV positive", or labelled AIDS for other reasons when not HIV tested (in Africa). It seems that AIDS is prevalent in certain risk groups that I don't typically mix with, which accounts for me not knowing or being aware of specific people that have died of "AIDS", other than one gay / gatoey Indonesian hairdresser. Scientists are disagreeing with each other on this topic or some are questioning the official stories. Dissidents exist. It seems that AIDS is not very well understood. The role of HIV is also not well understood.
AIDS patients die of a number of different diseases caused by weakened immune system, e. G. Karposi's Sarcoma, Pnemonia, etc. (I am not an expert so I won't try to list them all). Incidently more get added to the list over the years.
I don't know what causes the AIDS but seems that HIV is "the one and only cause" is not that convincing. They can define AIDS to be only when someone tested HIV + but the tests are unreliable, and it then becomes a self fullfilling prophesy that HIV is the cause in all cases. But there are other things known to weaken the immune system too, where HIV test was negative.
HIV is known to correlate with AIDS, but is it the cause or a side effect of something else?
Over history scientests have looked for bugs causing certain diseases that eventually truned out to bbe malnutrition. I simply indicate that they don't always get the story completely right and have to modify the theories.
I am sceptical person. I don't claim to know, but only to be willing to listen to various conflicting views. Its not clear to me what my risk of AIDS is, if any measurable risk at all. Its clear to me condoms will reduce the risk of catching STDs, including Syphilus, which could have some role in liklihood of catching AIDS, and may reduce risk of testing positive for HIV antibodies (although this seems to be debated by some).
One way or another, I think there are much greater risks in life than "AIDS".
I am seriously considering, not ever testing for HIV antibodies again, as tests are unreliable, likelihood of having it is very low, and its not necessarily deadly anyway. I will continue to monitor the science of AIDS understanding and debate to see what further changes occur.
Wolvenvacht
03-20-12, 08:16
The guy in the video won the Nobel Prize for the discovery of HIV and he's seen how the pharm industry has jumped on the opportunity. The interviewer asked, so if you have a good immune system the body can naturally get rid of HIV. His answer was one word. Yes.He got the Nobel price for discovering the HIV-virus. That is all his "claim to fame". Then he became some kind of a quack, went to work for a Chinese University and started studying "high dilution" (like in homeopathy). He is generally considered now to be well outside of the realm of real science. I would not bet my health on his arguments.
Hundreds of thousands of people in the west suddenly died in the 80s and 90s, I don't think it was from malnutrition.
The virus does work by weakening your immune system, causing you to die from other diseases. It's still the virus killing you, unless you want to play with words. Otherwise you could also say "he didn't die from getting shot but from bleeding to death". Cool, it's still the bullet who killed him, isn't it?
Most of you guys would remember Starsky & Hutch TV series. Now the golly wog hair type was named Paul Michael Glasser and he married another Hollywood starlet as they usually do and had two kids. Anyhow, after about 6 years wifey comes down with HIV, she was a reformed drug user before marrying. Now the two kids are positive, that is really sad, but the husband who presumably has not spent all those years sitting on the dge of the bathtub wanking away is not positive.
Now, for all you darn yankees out there, listen to O Bummer, his everybody health care idea is a good one. The US has not free medical for social diseases, the cost of treating the clap at government level is peanuts in cost of drugs and a few dollars looking down a scope at the bug, so why have this stupidity, get the clap, and more importantly syphillis, out of your community.
And really there are not 1 million HIV sufferers in Thailand, not in the commercial sex industry anyhow, but there are a lot of IV drug users, mostly young men who ride motor bikes, and a serious punter can spot them and their girlfriends. Most of the girls will baulk at taking an aspirin, drug taking is not that entrenched in the BG trade at all. The "HIV give us money" industry has just about run it's course, they have now seized on climate change to find another teat to feed on. Most bhuddists are not suicidal, and many bargirls fully intend to get out of the game and live happily ever after, ergo very few are into drugs.Aussie Doug has made some great points. Yes, the husband did not catch HIV (or ability to test for the anti-bodies) from his wife. Could he have? I don't know. Many studies apparently have shown zero transmission (with or without condoms) in couples with one HIV +. Is fucking a HIV+ tested person dangerous? Its not very clear. I would be more concerned fucking a person with Syphilus, or other STDs.
I would add that the "HIV sufferers" are actually not not necessarily suffering at all. They are not all destined to die of AIDS related diseases due to massively weakend immune systems. Africa also has large number of HIV+ tested people who are not sick at all. Africans are dropping like flies from same old diseases they always died of, due to malnutrition, lack of hygiene, no clean drinking water, unable to afford proper medical care, etc. Added to this are those loosing the will to live when pronounced with the "AIDS" death sentence, when immune system found to be weakened, whatever the reason might be.
Did Africans all get to be HIV +, due to fucking like rabbits? I don't know.
AussieDoug
03-20-12, 13:22
Ok. You know the millions of people reported to have died of AIDS. What do you think they have actually died of?Let me tell you a short story of HIV in Australia. When it was discovered, or renamed, the state government recognised there was no economical way to keep this virus out of the blood supply, it is simply too costly to check every donor every time they donate, so instead they ask questions like "have you had hepatitus" "have you been fudgepacking the boy next door" and etc, that is the only screening done worldwide regardless of what you may be told or hope happens in your own country, added to which some fuckwit judge down here in OZ decided that to deny faggots the chance to infect the blood supply was discrimination, so the only thing left to do was keep asking the questions and tipping it down the drain. But, as we all know people lie, so the Premier (Govermor) of the state simply said to the haemophilliacs, the biggest user of blood products,"we cannot protect you, here's $250, 000, enjoy the time you have, and you can't sue us". Not long after the President of the AMA (Doctor's association) went on national TV and announced that the only way to fix the spread of HIV was to build a fence, put all the gays inside, and problem solved, it's called isolation, used many times before with many communicable diseases. He was dumped, the first leader of the doctors not to get a second term at the job, was never interviewed on TV again and completely sidelined thereadter. Then the AIDS industry got to work, you see it had to be a heterosexual disease, it had to be thought of as possibly affecting children and babies, because back 30 years ago there was simply no political or voter support for spending billions on druggies and faggots, so no governemt money for the drug company research, no conferences all over the world, no gravy train. Look what happened, still no cure, lots of "keep 'them alive" drugs at huge cost, and the heterosexual transmission rate is still low as buggery.
Pretty simple, they are here with kids with partners they probably didn't intend to spend the rest of their lives with; and they are still here years and decades later despite just planning to be here on vacation. And a lot of times, it doesn't even get that far. Not uncommon to see local women with children from multiple fathers, both local and foreign. These guys you hear about taking balcony dives aren't just distraught over the lack of world peace. These guys have burned bridges and kids that are growing and will only require more and more financial resources that all too often, they have no way of providing. Will focus on the foreign aspect as that's probably more relevant to this forum. Sure, it happens all over the world, but the problem with it happening here is there's a significant immigration and labor 'pressure' from a legal standpoint against foreigners so you end up with a lot of guys treading water, with kids, and partners that likely have a 4th or 5th grade education.
The local 'hook' that most prostitutes use is bareback sex after a whirlwind 2-3 days of 'getting to know each other. ' Non pros too (simply add on a week to a month in the time frame). Because 'you're special' 'we're in love now' 'it's just us now, we're a couple. ' etc. Etc. And well, after that it's only a matter of how healthy both of their reproductive systems are. Been through the cycle myself dozens of times, I'm just thankful for the blind luck.So you're saying guys get "stuck in Thailand because they didn't stick with safe sex" because they ended up impregnating the TGs and then felt obligated to stay & marry the TG?
As you said: "There are an awful lot of guys who are stuck in Thailand because they didn't stick with safe sex. To each his own of course."
The flip side to that is, if that will allow a guy to live in LOS (hooker / female heaven) forever, that would be a way to accomplish it.
Moreover, if a barebacker does knock up a TG, he is not obligated legally to either stay in the Kingdom or support the mother.
Even in the unlikely event paternity can be proven, child support sought, the father be known and found, it isn't going to cost much:
"Regarding maintenance payment, Thai law doesn't know alimoney, but it does know child support. Although it is normally not more than about 6, 000 baht a month. There is an international agreement on child support and there are not many countries where you can hide to avoid paying."
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/383900-child-custody/
Of course even practising safe sex or condom sex can lead to a pregnancy, since such methods often fail.
"Hand out all the condoms you want, make sure they are used, and there will still be an epidemic of STDs and unplanned pregnancy. I'm old enough to recall when the pill came out. I was just a child, but I remember the stir. Reliable birth control, for the 1st time! Condoms have been around for centuries, in one form or another. They have never been reliable. A user might have an 85% protection rate against HIV, or pregnancy. In the real world, where the users are drunk, or stoned, it's dark, and he is rushing. Are you getting the picture?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_sex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom
#Causes_of_failure
okay from niaid. Nih. Gov:
"There is demonstrated exposure to HIV / AIDS through sexual intercourse with a regular partner (with an absence of other HIV / AIDS risk factors). Longitudinal studies of HIV- sexual partners of HIV+ infected cases allow for the estimation of HIV / AIDS incidence among condom users and condom non-users. From the two incidence estimates, consistent condom use decreased the risk of HIV / AIDS transmission by approximately 85."
Does consistent use mean 100% with same long term partner? Probably the figures are including anal sex between males which is quite risky for the receiver, and bound to have a condom malfunction sooner or later. I believe the safety percentage of condom for normal sex with a girl would be likely to be better. I would like to see a better breakdown of the figures between females, males, and the practices they engage in.According to a note on a NIH study that speaks of the 85 percent reduced risk for HIV with condom use relative to bareback sex:
1 The focus on the latex male condom for the prevention of HIV / AIDS and STDs during penile-vaginal intercourse reflected the predominance of the latex male condom in current condom usage, its FDA labeling for this purpose, and the preponderance of available effectiveness literature. The focus was not intended to diminish the need for research on other forms of male condoms, on female condoms, and on prevention of HIV / AIDS and STDs associated with other forms of sexual activity, such as oral or anal intercourse.
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/organization/dmid/documents/condomreport.pdf
"Analysis published in 2007 from the University of Texas Medical Branch [52] and the World Health Organization[53] found similar risk reductions of 80–95" per cent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom
"A 1999 meta-analysis of studies of condom use showed that the consistent use of latex condoms reduces the risk of sexual transmission of HIV by about 85 [45]" percent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV
"While the use of condoms can reduce transmission of HIV and other infectious agents, it does not do so completely. One study has suggested condoms might reduce HIV transmission by 85% to 95%; effectiveness beyond 95% was deemed unlikely because of slippage, breakage, and incorrect use. [27] It also said,"In practice, inconsistent use may reduce the overall effectiveness of condoms to as low as 60–70%". [27]p. 40.
"During each act of anal intercourse, the risk of the receptive partner acquiring HIV from HIV seropositive partners not using condoms is about 1 in 120. Among people using condoms, the receptive partner's risk declines to 1 in 550, a four- to fivefold reduction. [5]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_sex
Dash Riprock
03-21-12, 01:02
So you're saying guys get "stuck in Thailand because they didn't stick with safe sex" because they ended up impregnating the TGs and then felt obligated to stay & marry the TG?
As you said: "There are an awful lot of guys who are stuck in Thailand because they didn't stick with safe sex. To each his own of course."
The flip side to that is, if that will allow a guy to live in LOS (hooker / female heaven) forever, that would be a way to accomplish it.
Moreover, if a barebacker does knock up a TG, he is not obligated legally to either stay in the Kingdom or support the mother.
Even in the unlikely event paternity can be proven, child support sought, the father be known and found, it isn't going to cost much:
"Regarding maintenance payment, Thai law doesn't know alimoney, but it does know child support. Although it is normally not more than about 6, 000 baht a month. There is an international agreement on child support and there are not many countries where you can hide to avoid paying."From what I can see. Most aren't 'stuck' here because they feel they are legally obligated (as they aren't). Most seem to be stuck here because of personal moral issues. A lot don't get married, but they'll stick around and try to support their kids, often taking on the task of raising them. And a lot of these guys are already in their late 50's and 60's (and no, by no means are most even in the comfortably well off group that has no money worries). Probably a time when they should be enjoying their retirement as opposed to starting 2nd families.
There are plenty of ways to 'stay in the Kingdom' that IMO are more productive than knocking up a bargirl. Building a successful business for example and then dabbling in as many bargirls (or for myself, massage parlour girls) as they want without getting any of them knocked up either. Not a safe sex preacher by any means, I take my risks from time to time. Just keeping it real and saying what often happens when guys play the GFE bareback game.
Your other 7 precautions are all very good but not always practical with a girl you don't know very well. If a Pro is willing to go bareback with you, then she is willing with others too. But why do you care since you claim condoms weren't that effective anyway.Don't get me wrong, condoms are a very effective method of protection against STI's for people who are not nuns, but I just don't like them anymore. I used to, but now I'd rather watch online porn while giving myself a bareback handjob than have intercourse with a piece of latex. As for pros willing to go bareback with me, I believe they are not all made equal. For example, some are extremely reluctant to go BB, though with the proper incentive they would be with one special individual, such as a BF.
I only go bareback with GF (who is trustworthy and always used to insist on condoms) , since I can't afford to catch STDs easily. Mongering for a few days after departing from GF is also a good strategy, as if should catch something despite precautions, can get plenty of time to treat it before resuming with GF.What happens if you catch herpes with visible sores & your GF sees those?
Wolvenvacht
03-22-12, 21:59
What happens if you catch herpes with visible sores & your GF sees those?Only have sex in the dark for a while?
Only have sex in the dark for a while?LOL. Is this a serious gameplan for punters with a GF, wife or other SO?
Thankfully I don't have anything to worry about in that regard.
Just wondering.
John Dough
03-23-12, 19:11
http://www.coconut-oil-central.com/coconut-oil-skin.html
"It has been common knowledge for several decades within the research community that it contains mostly Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCT) or Medium Chain Fatty Acids (MCFA). MCFAs such as Caprylic acid (C-8) , Capric acid (C-10) , and Lauric acid (C-12) destroy bacteria, fungi, viruses, parasites, yeast, etc. Fortifying your skin with "antimicrobial" MCFAs is one of the most effortless ways to guarding against infection."
It forms a waterproof barrier on the skin to repel foreign body fluids.
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/nutrition/coconut.htm
"Approximately 50 percent of the fatty acids in coconut fat are lauric acid. Lauric acid is a medium chain fatty acid, which has the additional beneficial function of being formed into monolaurin in the human or animal body. Monolaurin is the antiviral, antibacterial, and antiprotozoal monoglyceride used by the human or animal to destroy lipid coated viruses such as HIV, herpes, cytomegalovirus, influenza, various pathogenic bacteria including listeria monocytogenes and heliobacter pylori, and protozoa such as giardia lamblia. Some studies have also shown some antimicrobial effects of the free lauric acid."
Pagal Chacha
03-23-12, 20:45
http://www.coconut-oil-central.com/coconut-oil-skin.html
"It has been common knowledge for several decades within the research community that it contains mostly Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCT) or Medium Chain Fatty Acids (MCFA). MCFAs such as Caprylic acid (C-8) , Capric acid (C-10) , and Lauric acid (C-12) destroy bacteria, fungi, viruses, parasites, yeast, etc. Fortifying your skin with "antimicrobial" MCFAs is one of the most effortless ways to guarding against infection."
It forms a waterproof barrier on the skin to repel foreign body fluids.
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/nutrition/coconut.htm
"Approximately 50 percent of the fatty acids in coconut fat are lauric acid. Lauric acid is a medium chain fatty acid, which has the additional beneficial function of being formed into monolaurin in the human or animal body. Monolaurin is the antiviral, antibacterial, and antiprotozoal monoglyceride used by the human or animal to destroy lipid coated viruses such as HIV, herpes, cytomegalovirus, influenza, various pathogenic bacteria including listeria monocytogenes and heliobacter pylori, and protozoa such as giardia lamblia. Some studies have also shown some antimicrobial effects of the free lauric acid."How you going to get these fatty acid molecules in to male urethra, where mos of pathogenic viral and bacterial load attaches and causes systematic infections, condoms are the only way of preventing STIS
Wolvenvacht
03-23-12, 21:07
LOL. Is this a serious gameplan for punters with a GF, wife or other SO?
Thankfully I don't have anything to worry about in that regard.
Just wondering.Hehehe, I was just answering a silly question with a silly answer, although you would be surprised how many women do not like to make love in bright light and prefer it to be more dark.
Member #4351
03-23-12, 21:29
Hehehe, I was just answering a silly question with a silly answer, although you would be surprised how many women do not like to make love in bright light and prefer it to be more dark.A lot of us fat, bald, ugly guys with mini prongs as well.
How you going to get these fatty acid molecules in to male urethra, where mos of pathogenic viral and bacterial load attaches and causes systematic infections, condoms are the only way of preventing STISThat's an interesting reply re the urethra. I came across a similar idea to the coconut oil the other day:
look up Barrier Cream. Here is what I use before seeing SP's (BBBJ, or condom FS)
http://www.dermadefense.com/
http://terb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?376070-Preventive-dosing-against-STIs-and-HIV-prophelaxisCould something like these be useful against STDs like Herpes, which can be acquired via skin to skin contact?
Especially for the guys with GFs / wives who don't want to get caught with their pants down, so to speak;
But as for condoms, even without failure they don't offer complete protection against various STIs, and are only one of a number of ways of preventing them, besides the bodies natural defence systems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_sex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_disease
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoms
Wolvenvacht
03-23-12, 23:46
A lot of us fat, bald, ugly guys with mini prongs as well.Those do it in the dark AND under the covers.
What happens if you catch herpes with visible sores & your GF sees those?I hope not to catch this. Since I have never had any cold sores (or herpes sores) , I am guessing that either I may be immune to it, have higher resistance to it than most, or perhaps its harder to catch than some seem to think. I am unsure which reason is the most relevant. I am scared more by Chlamydia having already sampled that one
No reason to be scared of Chlamydia, it's easily treated.
I may be immune to it, have higher resistance to it than mostNo, you may be suppressing it better, part of the % of virus carriers who are asymptomatic, remain below threshhold for virus to manifest. Wait a bit and see what comes out
No reason to be scared of Chlamydia, it's easily treated.If I had no GF, then yes, no big deal. its easily treated once you know you have got it. Yeh, Syphilus is much more scary but seems less prevalent. I don't want to be like the mate who got Gonor. in his first week here recently and wasn't even acting like a stud. That was quick work indeed and deserves a clap (sorry couldn't resist the bad pun).
I think its well worth pointing out that married guys want to take some precautions. I do. Fucking the GF is an incredibly great feeling and I never get bored with doing her (she is pretty and hot body too, so I still love to look at her naked), its just that us sex addicts never get enough frequency from a normal GF after several years. The mongering is just filling in gaps, or I sometimes go on a secret several day spree to try to get it out of the system for a bit. Never seems to be totally successful, but I can go for weeks without a fuck when in the wrong country.
I hope not to catch this. Since I have never had any cold sores (or herpes sores) , I am guessing that either I may be immune to it, have higher resistance to it than most, or perhaps its harder to catch than some seem to think. I am unsure which reason is the most relevant. I am scared more by Chlamydia having already sampled that oneMore scared of Chlamydia than Herpes? HUH? You can get rid of Chlam in a few days. Did you sleep through your 6th grade sex ed?
Herpes will only last for your entire life. When you get a breakout which for some is several times a year, you have numerous open sores on your cock for 7 to 10 days. Duh, which sounds better?
I hope not to catch this. Since I have never had any cold sores (or herpes sores) , I am guessing that either I may be immune to it, have higher resistance to it than most, or perhaps its harder to catch than some seem to think. I am unsure which reason is the most relevant. I am scared more by Chlamydia having already sampled that oneIs it even possible to be immune to Herpes? I've never heard of this before.
Chlamydia is nothing. Just take one gram of Zithromax (two 500mg pills) and you'll be good within a few days.
More scared of Chlamydia than Herpes? HUH? You can get rid of Chlam in a few days. Did you sleep through your 6th grade sex ed?
Herpes will only last for your entire life. When you get a breakout which for some is several times a year, you have numerous open sores on your cock for 7 to 10 days. Duh, which sounds better?Luvpus,
You don't seem to understand that I believe, if haven't ever had a cold sore, despite kissing so many girls that have had them, then I believe I am extremely unlikely to ever get one. I am not scared of them anymore. I don't fully understand them but am aware I am just not getting them.
So for everything its a combination equation of the seriousness of the problem and the risk of getting it.
I do understand Chlamydia is not serious to my health but may have serious implications if my GF should catch it from me too. I have had it twice already long time ago. Its very very easy to catch, even using condoms. Can be transferred even by fingers. So it is the extreme ease of getting it that concerns me and the family implications.
Herpes is not so easy to catch, and I take precautions as far as possible. I don't believe I am at all likely to get it. The chances of me getting AIDS is much lower still. I am not in major risk categories. Maybe 1 in million. So not a big worry.
I am also not that scared of great white sharks, purely because the risk is so small.
Look, I am willing to do some research to find out a bit more about Herpes, since I am not expert, and really know the exact risks of getting it. Okay I have heard about the results of having it already. Its not deadly. Although I have previously been tested for genital Herpes, apparently tests are not always that conclusive so many people that have it, may not even know they have it. So its not that bad for many. It sounds like having a bad pimple that lasts longer. Its not that easy for a guy to catch from a girl. Genital Herpes HSV-2 is actually considered less dangerous than Oral Herpes HSV-1. Comparison click here (http://www.herpes.com/hsv1-2.html)
"Transmission risk from infected female to male is approximately 4–5% annually. Anti-viral therapy can reduce this risk by 50%." This I found in wikipedia for monogamous couples not using condoms. Maybe husbands don't get that much sex? :D So you can imagine the risk from a single sex session with a girl (unknown to be infected or not and no obvious breakouts) and using condoms is getting extremely low. Then it has to be multiplied by mongering frequency.
I also read that 1 in 8 Australians have genital Herpes. A high percentage of these are females because females catch it more easily. 80% are unaware they have it. I guess this is consistent with some people having had a large number of sexual partners without condom use. I haven't.
I know someone wanting to get an STD will manage to get Chlamydia or Gonorrhea far more quickly. Those seem to be the easiest. Syphilus seems to be less prevalent but more dangerous.
P.S. During my 7th grade sex-Ed they only mentioned the gloom and doom from Syphilus, Gonorrhea, NSU and that's about it. Herpes never got mentioned. I probably only first heard of Herpes when about 18 to 20 years old. I might be older than some forum members. It was a big deal for a few years, mainly due to lack of a complete cure, before the hype faded away. Once HIV came on the scene, Herpes appeared to be largely relegated back to get very little further publicity. After all its only like cold sores and not not deadly. How useful was school sex-Ed? I only ever received about 2 hours worth, and it was not that useful, other than to be aware STDs exist.
All STD are immunity specific. It means some people will never get infected because of specific gene. It is just like the whole world could be getting the flu but you do not.
1. HIV- Once dreadred disease is now can be controlled for life time by constant checking and taking modern medicine. However there are different strains. Some are virulent and people die of it.
You do not have to be in the risk category to get it. Only in western countries it is mostly spread by homosexuals and intravenous drug abusers. But in Africa and Asia it is spread through heterosexuals as well.
Research shows higher incidence of transmission if you have sex with somebody who is showing full blown AIDS caused by HIV virus. Because the Viral load is very high.
All diseases have a highly infective stage including common cold. If you happen to kiss at that stage chances are higher you get the cold. Once again depends on your immunity.
People with AIDS have symptoms like looking thin and sickly. Africans initially called it slim disease. They tend to have elevated body temperature all the time, get tired easily and have other infections.
Like runny nose, patches on the skin etc.
2. Syphilis- They call it silent disease. Mainly because of no symptoms or minimal symptoms. Once exposed can take many years to get serious complications.
Usually if you take a course of antibiotics it will clear it without you knowing if you were infected.
Very hard to tell if the girl is infected. Condom will definitely protect.
3. Gonorrea and chlamydia- It seems both go hand in hand. Symptoms usually appear quickly. Pain on urination, purulent discharge associteed with general ill feeling.
In girls you can always make out. Smelly pussy is a dead giveaway. Course of antibiotics will clear it.
4. Genital herpes- Most people are exposed to it one way or another. Only few people get outbreaks where it is uncomfortable. No known cure. But symptoms last only a few days.
5. Genital warts- Usually infected having rough sex with girls having warts. Once again most people are exposed to the virus but only few people show warts.
Compared to the sexual encounters happening all over the world life threatening situations are rare. Do not see people dying enmasse.
If you are in your sixties or seventies you will die by other things than STD.
I don't believe everything I read in the media, specially if it comes from corrupt goverments.
Reading a lot of scentific debate, its clear that some of these things about AIS in particular are not as well understood as what some claim.
However there are different strains. Some are virulent and people die of it.Do you know how difficult it is to see the HIV virus, and how difficult it is to isolate? Its only a theory that there are multiple strains to try to explain baffling things.
You do not have to be in the risk category to get it. Only in western countries it is mostly spread by homosexuals and intravenous drug abusers. But in Africa and Asia it is spread through heterosexuals as well.Why is that? Some say Africa must have a different strain that never goes to western countries. Others says that Africans get it much more easily because they lack basic nutrition and basic health care.
All diseases have a highly infective stage including common cold. If you happen to kiss at that stage chances are higher you get the cold. Once again depends on your immunity.I have read that its the other person's breathe, hands, or worse still sneeze, that is much more dangerous than their saliva. You don't have to kiss to catch it.
People with AIDS have symptoms like looking thin and sickly. Africans initially called it slim disease. They tend to have elevated body temperature all the time, get tired easily and have other infections.Maybe some cases of AIDS are actually just malnutrition or "slim disease". If should test postive for HIV (an unreliable test) then it will be called AIDS, otherwise its called malnutrition, or some other thing that is believed to weaken the immune system, like Syphilus for example. Of course most Africans can't afford HIV tests, so its often called AIDS anyway. Malnutrition and lack of suitable drinking water seems to be the most fatal "disease" in Africa. The land is barren, the climate is bad, the goverments are corrupt, etc. A huge percentage test positive to HIV. Its probably not worth worrying about that. Its not the main cause of death. Is HIV a new disease that is so widespread because they are all rampant fuckers with no protection, or would all these people have tested HIV + just the same centuries ago.
Wolvenvacht
03-26-12, 19:18
Its only a theory that there are multiple strains to try to explain baffling things.Mmmm, in science a "theory" is actually the best you can get (unless you are a mathematician, then you can have "laws") , as in "theory of evolution". A "theory of HIV" means that there is no reliable information against it. 'Nuff said. Can we now stop this silly discussion which is really getting out of hand and flies in the face of established scientific facts?
Whether you have covered sex or not and how big or small are the risks you take, is for everyone to decide himself. There are nasty bugs out in the real world, but hey, it is your life you may be wasting.
Mmmm, in science a "theory" is actually the best you can get (unless you are a mathematician, then you can have "laws") , as in "theory of evolution". A "theory of HIV" means that there is no reliable information against it. 'Nuff said. Can we now stop this silly discussion which is really getting out of hand and flies in the face of established scientific facts?
Whether you have covered sex or not and how big or small are the risks you take, is for everyone to decide himself. There are nasty bugs out in the real world, but hey, it is your life you may be wasting.Well said. There is a lot of dangerous nonsense out there about HIV / AIDS (and many other things) , but it is only prudent to assume that the vast majority of scientific evidence is probably correct.
Chocha Monger
03-26-12, 23:53
There are a lot of other bugs that kill you besides HIV in SEA, like this one.
http://www.spike.com/video-clips/n34jaf/1000-ways-to-die-crappy-ending
John Dough
03-27-12, 02:26
That's an interesting reply re the urethra. I came across a similar idea to the coconut oil the other day:
Could something like these be useful against STDs like Herpes, which can be acquired via skin to skin contact?
Especially for the guys with GFs / wives who don't want to get caught with their pants down, so to speak;
But as for condoms, even without failure they don't offer complete protection against various STIs, and are only one of a number of ways of preventing them, besides the bodies natural defence systems.There is a simple way to get the coconut oil into the urethra; squirt some in with an eye dropper. The oil is also a good lubricant, so is a good option for those who go bareback. It would help to protect against STDs like herpes and HPV that are spread by skin to skin contact, so spread some over the entire pubic area. Unfortunately, oil is incompatable with latex rubber, so another solution is preferred to use in combination with latex condoms. Avanti Bare and SKYN condoms are non-latex, so are safe to use with oil. Just don't get it under the condom and cause slippage.
Most of the barrier creams (shielding lotions) are based on small amounts of the active ingredient Dimethicone, which bonds with the surface layer of dead skin, forming a water resistant barrier. As the dead skin is shed, the protective layer is lost. It is usually good for about 4 hours after application, after which it should be reapplied. It is safe to use with latex condoms and is the main ingredient in silicone lubricants, which is a better, more concentrated source of dimethicone. It can be applied to the penis and entire pubic area as an extra layer of protection. Gently wipe off the excess with a dry cloth, to avoid causing the condom to slip. Unfortunately, dimethicone doesn't work on mucous membranes, so there is no point in squirting it into the urethra.
Others says that Africans get it much more easily because they lack basic nutrition and basic health care.No, they get it more because on average people in Africa are poorer and less educated and more brainwashed by their local priests and as a result they use condoms much less.
And in the West it was spreading fast in the 80s until everyone started being more careful and using condoms way more and suddenly it spread much slower. I'm not aware of any changes in nutrition or healthcare that would explain any of that.
Probably not a fact that our non-condom-using members want to think about ;)
Wolvenvacht
03-27-12, 10:24
And in the West it was spreading fast in the 80s until everyone started being more careful and using condoms way more and suddenly it spread much slower. I'm not aware of any changes in nutrition or healthcare that would explain any of that.And the recent increase in HIV infections seen in the West seems to parallel (surprise surprise) the decrease in condom use.
Of course this is all part of a big conspiracy, no doubt fueled by the Illuminati, the Gnomes of Zurich and our lizardly alien overlords. But who cares as the world is going to end in 2012 anyhow.
It seems condoms can kill. For example:
"The use of latex condoms by people with an allergy to latex can cause allergic symptoms such as skin irritation. In people with severe latex allergies, using a latex condom can potentially be life-threatening. Repeated use of latex condoms can also cause some people to develop an allergy to latex."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom
OTOH re the absence of them amongst dirty aged codgers boinking SYTs:
"It turns out that older men chasing younger women contributes to human longevity and the survival of the species, according to new findings by researchers at Stanford and the University of California-Santa Barbara."
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2007/s.en-091207.html
That makes sense.
Also in some rare cases, safety belts kill the person wearing them in car crashes. Therefore, never use a safety belt. It will kill you. You are much safer without it.
Car crashes aren't as frequent or deadly as they say anyway. They mostly happen in Africa due to poor nutrition and road conditions.
Also in some rare cases, safety belts kill the person wearing them in car crashes. Therefore, never use a safety belt. It will kill you. You are much safer without it.Don't get me wrong, condoms can provide safer sex, just as one can practice safe bareback sex & be nearly as safe or safer than your typical condom user. But people should be aware of the dangers re condoms so they can make informed decisions and protect themselves.
If you do have a latex allergy you should NEVER be using a latex condom for anything. You should be avoiding latex at all times possible. While it may only cause a mild reaction, some reddness and slight discomfort, right now, allergies can quickly progress without warning to life threatening anaphalactic shock. Everytime you expose yourself to latex you are further sensitizing yourself to its effects.
I have a friend who he and his wife are dentists. She developed a mild allergy to latex. Nothing serious but would get a rash if she accidentally wore the latex gloves or used latex dental dams. Anyway one day at the office she suddenly had a severe anaphalactic reaction and they had to rush her by ambulance to the ER. She survived but they had to change everything in their office away from latex.
Get rid of all your latex now! And get an Epipen.
No, they get it more because on average people in Africa are poorer and less educated and more brainwashed by their local priests and as a result they use condoms much less.There are more factors contributing to the high number of HIV positive results in Africa.
The practise of having dry sex is is one.
There are more factors contributing to the high number of HIV positive results in Africa.
The practise of having dry sex is is one.Huh?
So a way to reduce the cases may be to teach the men there how to lick and eat pussy. That should create the juiceiness needed.
Huh?
So a way to reduce the cases may be to teach the men there how to lick and eat pussy. That should create the juiceiness needed.African punters will pay extra for a dry fuck. There are different ways for WGs to achieve this, one is detergent in pussy. Go figure.
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